Ex-Dawgs don’t always follow party line
The Urban Crier doesn’t like former Florida players criticizing the way his team is run, as he made clear in recent comments widely viewed as being aimed at ex-Gator quarterback Shane Matthews, who was critical on his radio show of the lizards’ offensive plan in their loss to Ole Miss last year. Said the Crier: “You’re either a Gator or you’re not a Gator.” The subtext: If you criticize the Crier, you’re not a Gator.
Over in the Bulldog Nation, Mark Richt thankfully has a much thicker skin and lets the very occasional criticism from former Dawgs roll off his back, at least in public. Mr. 60-Yarder, Kevin Butler, has been openly critical of the Dogs’ approach to the kicking game, particularly coverage of kickoffs, in some of his post-game broadcasts in Athens. And another UGA kicking great, Rex Robinson, has posted comments here critical of the Richt program’s penchant for directional kickoffs.
Well, Robinson apparently isn’t thrilled with the Dawgs’s defense over the past couple of years, either, as he makes clear in a post on his new blog. Says Robinson: “As an old school guy that played when Coaches Dooley and Russell were in control, I understand the bend don’t break philosophy of defense. I also understood the ball control offenses we employed then. Y’all hated both of them then and you hate them now. Some things never change. The thing is, if you are gonna employ that conservative approach to defense, you have to be able to tackle, and we couldn’t much of the time last year. Especially in blowout games.”
He goes on to make the point that he thinks Richt may be too loyal to certain staff members, and obviously he’s talking about defensive coordinator Willie Martinez. “Let me be clear,” Robinson says. “I love and respect Mark Richt. I hope he stays forever, but does that mean he’s perfect and does not make mistakes? No. I just want him to scrutinize the performance of his coaches and hold them to the same level of accountability as he does his players.”
Now, I know there are readers of this blog who take a view along the lines of the Crier: If you support a team, you shouldn’t criticize it. As longtime readers know, I don’t subscribe to that philosophy.
And I’m glad that in the Bulldog Nation, even if you don’t agree with the head Dawg, you can still proudly call yourself a Dawg.
Woof woof.
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guy
May 15th, 2009
2:49 pm
impartial observer here, but using terms like ‘urban crier’ is pretty sophmoric for an actual column no? leave that trash to the commenters bill.
Kenny Powers
May 15th, 2009
2:53 pm
We employed the bend and break method of defensive thanks to Willie. And the “I refuse to adjust” methodology as well.
jablonski
May 15th, 2009
2:55 pm
Dont worry, Bill. I got it.
Guy,
How about Urban Liar, or as Corrine Brown (D) FL says CORCH MEYERS.
If you dont like it, take your impartial A$$ somewhere else.
Kenny Powers
May 15th, 2009
2:57 pm
He might cry, but he has 2 BCS titles. Which one do you want?
Bill King
May 15th, 2009
2:59 pm
That “impartial” observer listed a made-up e-mail address with an anti-UGA epithet in it. Maybe he should look up impartial in the dictionary.
I’m not impartial. So Urban Crier, it is.
wiley
May 15th, 2009
2:59 pm
Wow man your post has alot of hate towards Urban. He is a great coach and committed to the gators. Im not gators fan but i can see how good of a coach and person he is, and I understand why he gets so much hate….Jealousy. Its stupid to state one way of reacting to criticism is morally superior to another. Let Urban handle things the way he wants…because obviously its working as evident by the two championships they have won since he has been there.
JOE
May 15th, 2009
3:02 pm
IDIOTS. Typical Mutt fans. You have 10 bucks and a Wal-Mart you can be a Georgia fan.
bigdawg01
May 15th, 2009
3:03 pm
Good Point Kenny Powers,
Look at the first couple of series with FL in 08. Good start and then what, NO adjustments. He did it all season. Soft Zone, Soft Zone. For Gods sake, Beecher from USC threw all over us. Terrible. Hope CWM hears that ticking in the back ground.
BugKiller
May 15th, 2009
3:06 pm
Suck it Altamaha and the rest of the blind loyalists.
What do you have to say about Willie now?
Huh?
May 15th, 2009
3:23 pm
It would be one thing if Florida had won the game. I personally get very annoyed when people start whining about all the things that went wrong in a win, as was the case several times last year for Georgia. Sometimes the whining was warranted but often times it wasn’t.
As for Florida, Shane Matthews was referring to a loss. Earth to Urban Crier: Whatever you were doing in that Ole Miss game so obviously didn’t work if the scoreboard is any indication. A real leader takes responsibility for his failures and doesn’t try to turn it around on other people. Meyer’s arrogance will catch up to him some day. No doubt about it.
uga_b
May 15th, 2009
3:37 pm
I guess that means when he criticizes his current players he is not a Real Gator either? Just trying to wrap my head around the logic.
JB
May 15th, 2009
3:40 pm
Richt needs a slobber knocking SOB with a brain to run the Defense. I ALWAYS thought our defense would win us ….or keep close ANY game we played. Willie’s supporters would have you look at the 2007 season, but I’ve seen Vandy and the like drive on us in the 4th Qtr. the last 2-3 years and almost beat us. Scheme? lack of talent ? Heart ? I don’t know…… people now move the ball on us way to easy…….
jablonski
May 15th, 2009
3:42 pm
Hmmm Hey Wiley,
your quote:
“i can see how good of a coach and person he is”
I remember when Ernest Graham was their running back, might have been his second year and he called all his backs “trash”. Regardless of his RB’s, that is NOT a remark of good coach or person. Get your head out the medias a$$ over how they portray him.
Bill King
May 15th, 2009
3:57 pm
I recognize Urban’s strengths as a coach and have, in fact, written here about how I wish Richt would emulate his approach to making special teams truly special. But his my-way-or- the-highway approach to supporters is too thin-skinned.
Bill King ...What a retard
May 15th, 2009
4:04 pm
Old news Bill King the retard.You are so Jealous of the Gators program.What has your mutts done for the last 28 years Bill? Say CHOKE! The AJC is nothing more than a rag, you (Bill)are the Maxi Pad.
Real Old Dawg
May 15th, 2009
4:21 pm
“Bill King …What a retard,” or whatever your real name is … your comments are unwarranted. You may not agree with Bill or other folks who post here, but leave your trash-talking in the trailer park. Other comments aren’t much better. It’s easy to be critical without acting like a thug.
Who’s monitoring this site?
mike addington
May 15th, 2009
4:48 pm
Well, Rex certainly had it right when he said that the bend but don’t break defense requires good tackling, something we have surely lacked the last couple of years, especially last year. It was pitiful watching Alabama’s backs run straight up the middle time after time. Rashad Jones especially made me want to throw up. I was for firing the receiver;s coach the first few years of CMR’s tenure because of all the dropped passes and I’m for firing WM now. Competition is the name of the game. Loyalty is great but you have to earn your job every day like everyone else in America. Would Richt have let, say, David Greene stay as the first sring quarterback if he had thrown interception after interception. No. So why does loyalty override comptetence in the make up of the coaching staff.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
4:53 pm
I say, that I hope the team and WM have a good year, and I’ll be pulling for them this year. Thanks for asking.
Robinson seems a little confused. Dooley and Erk are the very anti-thesis of what he is saying.
Otto
May 15th, 2009
4:54 pm
Bill your Urban Crier comment is making the UGA fans look like a bunch a cry babies. Further I would like to see articles stay up for one day and generate conversation.
Next off Bobo is just as bad as CWM at not adjusting. Bobo likes the screen, play long bomb and RB up the middle. Does anyone remember Stafford getting hammered on the play action a few times after the other teams DC knew it was coming or the Stafford to Moreno shovel pass.
Dog in Fla
May 15th, 2009
5:16 pm
“[Special teams] are a great indicator of how hard teams play and how they are taught,”
Urban Meyer, Head Coach, Bowling Green State University, Oct. 15, 2002.
Whenever your team is down 49-3, we Georgia fans give the opposing head coach credit for knowing a little something about coaching. Or at least a little more about it than ours do.
Otto
May 15th, 2009
5:23 pm
Dog in Fla, not to mention Special teams were what really won the Peach Bowl against VT.
Hunk Erdown
May 15th, 2009
6:06 pm
This blog should be a reminder that the schools are starting to begin summer breaks between now and the next several weeks. Last year it got really bad and I can only hope that the new format will afford Bill and the other blogologists the ability to block trouble makers… especially the variety that ride the short school bus. I don’t know why an ajc blog would be attractive to people to troll and misbehave, when I was a kid our main misbehaviour was to slip away from our “around the house” chores and go drop a hook and line in the nearest cat fish pond. We might have got a whoopin’, but we also brought home dinner.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
6:33 pm
I know I barely remember our NFL draft laden first string offence never scoring a single point against FL in 08. I can even overlook turning over the ball 4 times. But that zone!
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
6:36 pm
HD, ever catch one of those Bowfin? or dogfish they call em. Freaky looking jurassic age creatures.
WalkerMuhDawg
May 15th, 2009
6:36 pm
Rex and Butler have their heads on straight with their thoughts. Special teams philosophy is a real point of contention for me, too, with the current staff. They’re just not that special most of the time.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
6:41 pm
Just food for thought but in the years that UM has been coaching the UF special teams they have finished in the lower half of the SEC in as many categories as they have ever finished in the upper half, and certainly not regularly at the top.
Dorsey Hill
May 15th, 2009
6:43 pm
Wiley,
In 1940 would you say “hey, let Hitler do what he wants…He’s been quite successful?”
Here is the point and read closely. Review three of four times, so you get it.
Success does not mean that your methods are sound or justified.
Success can be acheived in a variety of ways. You have the John Wooden way and the Bob Knight way. Both tremendously successfully. However, they are not, morally at least, in equipose.
Now you may think that “you are with us or against us” is a fine appraoch even though it buys your silence as a condition for enjoying the success of your coach and team. That is the totalitarian, top down, love it or leave crap that many ascribe to. While that is an unreasonable position it is at least on point. Again the point is: is Meyer’s approach to criticism right, not whether Meyer is, has been, or will be a successful head coach.
Personally, I think that as long as you have a reasonable clue as to what you are talking about your input is welcome. Unfortunately there are many fans who think they know football and have neither a clue nor the discretion to keep their stupidity to themselves. And then we have Wiley who can’t even understand the point to begin with.
Bill King the baby
May 15th, 2009
6:48 pm
What a pathetic and childish post for what looks like a man in his 60s in Bill King.
You appear to be the big baby here. Just because your little puppy butt sniffers haven’t been able to beat Florida with any consistency since the 80’s you make yourself feel big by making 3rd grader comments about our head coach.
You are a joke just like UGA football is.
Hunk Erdown
May 15th, 2009
7:34 pm
Alt
I’ve seen pictures of ‘em, never caught one though. I’d like to come fish some down in your neck of the woods, but I’ve been busy up here ever since they started stocking all the streams with trout.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
7:56 pm
They also call them “lawyer fish”, because they will bite anything and good for nothing.
That one is not mine Atl Gator, look it up.
Urban Crier
May 15th, 2009
8:03 pm
Wins championships…can back up what he says….Bill King,Tony Barnyard, Chip Towers and UGA fans whine cry and make pathetic excusess like the bitches they are.
m=saintsimonslover
May 15th, 2009
8:40 pm
Hey Joe, if you have 10 bucks and a Walmart you and nine other NERD friends of yours can be Tech fans!!
Bryan G.
May 15th, 2009
8:40 pm
Until Richt begins to demand perfection (like Saban and Meyer), he will never achieve it.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
8:48 pm
Saban and Meyers are very good coaches but come on! They demand perfection? In the past 2 years they have split with Richt and lost just as many games.
AltamahaDawg
May 15th, 2009
8:56 pm
And over time will lose one out of every 5 games, just like every good coach in history.
chrisbyard
May 15th, 2009
9:33 pm
can anyone give an update on Chris Burnette’s status in the valedictorian standings?
S.E. Dawg
May 15th, 2009
9:52 pm
If Kevin Butler is worried about the kicking game, wait until he sees how badly his son will do in the punting game. He may turn it around, and hope he does, but so far I haven’t been impressed with his son’s abilities.
tim
May 15th, 2009
10:21 pm
call him urban anything you want because he will continue to kick uga’s ass with monotonous regularity. next game he’ll call at least 3 time outs while leading by 50…you sorry dogs wish you had a championship winning coach and program but you don’t so bite the gator again girls,,,see you in jax at least for the first half because you’ll be so far behind at halftime most of you will be heading back to st simons
MVP
May 15th, 2009
10:21 pm
Bill is this best you can do? There no way you are on the ajc payroll unless they are paying you with circus peanuts.
Denver Dog
May 15th, 2009
10:33 pm
I guess those great “mighty gators” can not find a “mighty gator blog”. Get a clue, it is “called Junkyard Blog”. I don’t go to,nor do I look for wherever your blogs might be, but I suppose there are some. They must not be too good though, since you spend your time reading and commenting on an UGA blog.
I guess Tim, that is why they play the game. So yes we will see you in Jax. We will probabally be 3-4 coming in so I’m sure you are right, we will be down by 50 points, and your class coach will call 3 timeouts in the last 45 seconds. Who cares, what you think right now. If UF wins this year, I, like most dog fans will say good game and good luck. I’m sure you and your gang will do the same. Yeah right!
BS Patrol
May 15th, 2009
11:18 pm
Blackfish we call ‘em over here on the Flint. Put up a heck of a fight especially after they get in the boat with the uninitiated. Stink like the Devil! I have actually heard of people eating them.
Hunk Erdown
May 15th, 2009
11:47 pm
I caught a catfish on the Flint that was so big the picture of it weighed 11 pounds.
chrisbyard
May 16th, 2009
12:21 am
are there any intelligent people reading or posting here? i think i’m wasting my time. some of you should be posting on the broom closet tool. im out
Alabamadawg
May 16th, 2009
7:35 am
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…I wish we had gotten Tenn.’s defensive coach , Chavis, when he became available at the end of last season…what an upgrade that would have been !!!
Cuz
May 16th, 2009
7:43 am
In accordance with the Fairness Doctrine, I will let it be known that it is my hope that Coach Martinez and the defense have a great GATA year. If they do what they said, “We need to wrap up when we tackle.” They just might. No more hitting and bouncing off. Wrap it up and if you cannot stop the guy, slow him down till the other ten pound him three feet into the turf.
C’mon Florida fans. You know it, I know it and the American people know it. If Urban Meyer had never cried on TV after a game, he would have not got his nickname. Plain and simple. If you don’t like it, get another coach who won’t shed crocodile, uh aligator tears. Two MNC’s should make up for Urban’s tears.
Sautee Dawg
May 16th, 2009
8:01 am
Dorsey Hill
“Success does not mean that your methods are sound or justified.”
You major in Law or Business? Good line for either one.
Haywood Jablowme
May 16th, 2009
8:21 am
Who the hell cares what Robinson thinks? All he did was kick a foot ball, sit back down, and bitch about what was going on. Same with Butler. Butler hasn’t and won’t stop bitching until his kid is a starter. Bottom line……if you guys think you can do a better coaching job, throw your hat in the ring. Until then shut the hell up. After all, you are either a Bulldog, or you’re not. Don’t sit in seat # 37 F and critisize the coaching staff.
savanadawg
May 16th, 2009
8:23 am
Remember when we heard those immortal words “Hunker Down you Hairy Dawgs, Hunker Down”!!!!!! God help me I miss it so. But under Erk they would. How in the world did we get to were we are today on defense. I think it started when Erk left the building to build his own. Coach Willie Martinez mite just need to come on down to Statesboro Ga. and take a bath in “Beautiful Eagle Creek” and ask God to let Erk bless him and put a spell over him so as too bring back the magic of once what was.
rphdawg
May 16th, 2009
8:32 am
to s.e.dawg – i agree about the kicking game worries but don’t embarrass real dawg fans by attacking kevin’s son…. it petty, immature and rude… ever have anybody really get you p.o’d by badmouthing onna your kids…. don’t dis kevin’s son just because you don’t like kevin’s remarks.
and as far as supporting CMR – he knows more about feetball, talent evaluation and personnel management than all of us put together… so just let the head coach be the lead dog in the pack.
criticize the coach and play calling and game plan if you like, but don’t attack the kids…
savanadawg
May 16th, 2009
8:40 am
oh, and another thought Bill. Your blog is supposed to be about UGA. I really could care less about those other guys. And be careful how you use that word “Junkyard”; It is in referance to a great UGA defensive football team. I’m not sure these kid’s today could even hold those guys jock strap. The verdict is still out. My defense against UF. Hit Tim Tebox every time he touches the ball. Sooner or later something has got to give.
Urban Crier
May 16th, 2009
9:34 am
Yes I did shed another tear after I won my second National Crown in three years but Cuz you and other mutt fans cried yourself to sleep from the 49 – 10 beat down I gave the mutts in 08….Cuz stock up on the Kleenex now because you and mutt nation will need em again after another(yearly) beat down in Jacksonville on Halloween day. CUZ I win National Championships, your hypocrite coach and over rated program don’t .CUZ BE AFRAID…BE VERY AFRAID!
Bryan G.
May 16th, 2009
9:35 am
Altamahadawg,
Sure, they’ve split with Richt the past two years, but Meyer and Saban are perfectionists who have 4 NCs between them. Do they always acheive that greatness? No, of course not. But they demand it.
Richt has yet to demand such excellence from his players. Just look at his quotes last year from some of the close games we had where we had 10 penalties.
jarvis
May 16th, 2009
9:37 am
Urban Crier….brilliant. Hours of brainstorming I’m sure.
Couldn’t agree more with Rex about directional kickoffs. I think they are largely responsible for the number of kicks out of bounds we had last year.
AltamahaDawg
May 16th, 2009
11:10 am
Sorry, I don’t know those guys personally, so you can understand how I would only go with what I know.
Gator Nation
May 16th, 2009
11:18 am
Yeah we’re crying…all the way to the BANK, BABY!
Pago Flyer
May 16th, 2009
11:55 am
can we just beat fl and gt this year!
Moe
May 16th, 2009
12:01 pm
Bill, you really think calling Urban Meyer “Urban crier” is professional?
Maybe that’s why you are only a blog writer. Not a real columnist.
SamoanDawg
May 16th, 2009
12:42 pm
Football smack talk all year round is friggin awesome! I love it! Keeps inteteresting and count down ’till kickoff. Ain’t nutn’ wrong with all fans alike get to voice their opinions. It’s what makes College football fun. It’s the best game in the world.. hands down!
Brock
May 16th, 2009
12:50 pm
Urban Crier? Really? You’re a child.
murfdawg
May 16th, 2009
3:18 pm
s.e.dawg,
You are exactly right about Drew Butler. I hope CMR can find a walk-on the do the job this year.
I think Mathews is the only person in the state of fl to criticise UM and I’m sure that caught him off guard. But he is what he is.
Cuz
May 16th, 2009
4:38 pm
Sorry to dissapoint you Urban. I don’t cry over a kids game. Not saying your crying is wrong or anything. Go ahead and show your sensitive side.
Kissell
May 16th, 2009
5:53 pm
I usta play football. They called me snakehips but then they dropped a canister of mustard gas on me in WW2 and I cudn’t run no more. You think a guy could play quarterback like Y. A Tittle NOW??? They got BUMS now!!
Kissell
May 16th, 2009
5:55 pm
When I played we sacked the QB and then we brought out the brass knuckles. These bums now wud be suckin their thumbs on the bench back then.
Urban Crier
May 16th, 2009
6:38 pm
Cuz you show your sensitive side when you wear your pink uga women gym dawgs national champs t-shirt. wear it proud CUZ !
Cuz
May 16th, 2009
7:04 pm
I have a white one, pink is not my color. I am more of an autumn than a spring.
To hell with Georgia
May 16th, 2009
10:55 pm
Hey Cuz give your predictions on UGA baseball. will they make it to the world series this year? last year you said they would win it.WRONG! football? you said Georgia would win it all. Wrong again.your 08 slogan was “earn it” what will it be for 09?
Cuz
May 16th, 2009
11:31 pm
I could be wrong, like that has never happened, but I don’t think I predicted a MNC for football, although I will admit that after a few shots of General Neylands home brew, uh bore solvent, I came up with the “Earn It” slogan. And I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. “Earn It” meant they had to earn the number one ranking on the field. Prove it to me and the rest of the world that you are worthy of the number one ranking. I threw it out as a challenge. And the Dawgs were not up to the challenge or the ranking. Pre-season rankings are worth as much as a Confederate dollar. You earn it through the season. “Earn It” was pretty fun through the doldrums of waiting for the season to start. It was great blog material and I forgot how much traffic I generated for the AJC with that phrase. I would like the AJC to send me a royalties check that I will forward to General Neyland to get my next shipment of sippin, uh bore cleaner solvent. AJC you have my e-mail and shipping address, please forward promptly. Thanks for the reminder To. Good luck next year in the ACC with that High School offense and Coach Pajamas.
Now I may have said we would win the College World Series, that is something that I was more confident could happen. This year I think we win a regional then get beat. Oh Diamond Dawgs, prove me wrong.
To, the slogan “Earn It” was capitalized, please adjust your word program accordingly. Thanks.
I think I will start trolling the Tech blogs to offer my support and advise. If you guys can help me on this blog, the least I can do is return the favor. Party on dudes, meet you at the Varsity.
wiley
May 17th, 2009
12:34 am
lol…seriously? College football was just compared to a fascist leader during one of the worst genocides in human history ….only in a Georgia forum. The man flat out wins games, and does so by following his own set of rules. I admire Urban and all he stands for, and for what its worth I do think he is a good person despite the criticism of his own players. You can not accept the man because he out performs your team year after year….and that particular feeling comes from jealousy. I do get your argument of morality and its relationship to success….but I believe Urban possess both of these attributes. As for the insult to my intelligent at the end of your post…I will give you a little back ground on myself. I am currently on track to graduate from Georgia Tech with two degrees…one in History, Technology, and Society and the other being in Computer Science…with a minor in law. I am 18 years old and two years away from graduating with two degrees as I make my way to law school….unfortunately I will probably be going to UGA due to financial reasons. Now with that being said I am not completely lost on the subject being discussed in this forum….I mean this is about college football not a moral discussion blog. I stated Urban has successful methods and I believe he is a good man and coach…now this is my opinion so live with it and dont resort to calling someone ignorant as it does nothing but discredit your argument.
Preston
May 17th, 2009
8:10 am
I’m pretty sure those guys make enough money to withstand a little public criticism.
TECH RULES
May 17th, 2009
9:08 am
Here it is by the numbers people
45-42 (football)
67-62 (basketball)
11-6 (baseball)
105-75 (IQ)
4-1 (annual income after graduation)
1,186,932,011-278 (stories of how good we were back in the day)
1,382,099-167 (stories of how this year’s recruiting class will bring us a NC in 3-4 years)
AltamahaDawg
May 17th, 2009
10:17 am
Some tech kid telling us his academic history as he lectures us it supposed to be about college football…. only in a Georgia forum.
Thats a real shame your “have” to go to that lowly Georgia Law School. I hope that doesn’t hold you back success too much. Maybe you can be the first person to come out of there and account for anything.
lazlodawg
May 17th, 2009
10:53 am
“As for the insult to my intelligent at the end of your post…”
Hahahahahaha. Good luck with your 2 degrees from Tech. You’ll learn how to read and write at UGA I hope…
F-Dawg
May 17th, 2009
11:14 am
To TECH slide-RULES…. You drank the cool aid didn’t you? You might want to look past the last 5 to 10 years boy. We’ve owned you in football and baseball, we’ll give you basketball. Your stats on IQ and income show your lack of both. Don’t know if you were trying to be funny or factual….but you came up short on both attempts.
S.E. Dawg
May 17th, 2009
12:41 pm
rphdawg, I personally like Kevin Butler and especially enjoy listening to him on the fifth quarter show after each game. He certainly adds to the show. However, I know what I see in the punting game and I am sure everyone else does too. Something was mentioned about the kicking game and thought I would weigh in on the punting. Sorry if I offended you.
Georgia Dawg By Way Of Las Vegas
May 17th, 2009
12:59 pm
TECH RULES
If you were as smart as you think you are … you wouldn’t waste your time on what true Bulldog fans think or say. You would take your fake higher IQ, so called higher salary, temporary wins and your over inflated ego to a much better place and just smile as you munch on a thick **** sandwich muttering to yourself how you finally had a decent year against the Georgia Bulldogs.
You won a game. That’s inevitable … so get over it. Remember it’s only temporary … Paul Johnson really isn’t that good … the Bulldogs just sucked at tackling last year. They will fix that problem. You will still suck at being a Tech Lover so you should stop tossin’ tech salad and start tossin’ Dawg Salads. I Never had one but I hear from many tech fans they taste much better.
Stop believing the hype boy. georgia tech (I won’t even use capitol leters for them) is and will always be a retarded second cousin to the Georgia Bulldogs.
Believe it.
Holla back at me.
I can take it. (laughing)
StoneColdDawg
May 17th, 2009
1:06 pm
All you have to know about CUM is that when his players flunk drug tests they are listed as injured, see Percy Harvey et all.
Georgia Dawg By Way Of Las Vegas
May 17th, 2009
1:13 pm
(Stop believing the hype boy. georgia tech (I won’t even use capitol leters for them) is and will always be a retarded second cousin to the Georgia Bulldogs.)
I spelled letters wrong. To my friends (cough, cough) at georgia tech. I apologize. (smiling) I guess your IQ’s are higher. Damn! (laughing)
Mark T.
May 17th, 2009
1:43 pm
Urban has done a good job of winning championships with players that don’t belong in school by beating other teams with players that don’t belong in school. People bowing up with school pride over athletes that should not be accepted at community colleges is silly. I enjoy the heck out of watching college football, but realize how silly it is to even call 80% of these kids as student athletes.
Don’t go on about Urban, or Richt, or even coach Johnson “doing things the right way”. Its all about how far you can push the limits without a violation.
DanO
May 17th, 2009
2:06 pm
all you people do is look for a reason hate urban. you know the media fags are going to stick together. but here’s what we know
doesn’t maIt’s personal with Shane. Alma Mater and all that jazz don’t matter much to him when it’s personal, it seems. Plus he’s kind of a negative, hypercritical guy to begin with. I’ve been around him enough to know that he just bitches a lot, and mabey it gets taken the wrong way or out of context sometimes. But there’s no way to take his Meyer comments out of context.
It was one thing to criticize Meyer and the offense in 2005, and a totally different thing altogether to criticize them so vocally even now. Some of that criticism was deserved in 2005. But for pete’s sake, the man was owed a transition year, which very few (and some who still post here) were willing to give him completely and without reservation. The calls for Meyer’s head (or at least Mullen’s) were coming already in 2005, no later than midseason. Some of those critics around here have gagged themselves in the glow of Meyer’s great success, but let us have a couple of bad games and they’ll return to their old habits. Now, back to our story…
I can confirm Matthews makes highly negative comments about Meyer (even post-Mullen) in front of very powerful Bull Gators, hoping to sour them on Meyer. He does it on the radio, and he does it in private among his associates. He continues even to this day, after Meyer has won 2 BCS and 2 SEC championships. If you can’t get behind the current staff under those circumstances, one wonders what it would take to win you over. I cannot for the life of me understand the motives behind his undermining of Meyer, but there it is.
I happen to know what it would take to win Shane Matthews over: doing things exactly his way and Meyer coming to him hat in hand with an undeserved apology for sins Meyer never committed, and then Meyer’s resignation, with the immediate announcement that SOS was being rehired. For Shane, Meyer is a usurper. He’s not a Florida guy, and he’s not a legacy, nor does he have any prior attachment to the program, and I think that this bothers Shane to some extent. But that’s not all of it.
There was a lot of negativity coming out of OTC (Shane is close to Bell and those guys) back in 2005, and it didn’t much let up after we won it all the next year. Now, KB has too much class to go public with negativity on Meyer, but his private comments are another matter. When asked about Meyer and Mullen’s offense, Bell’s response was a sort of forced smile and a shrug. My understanding is that they patched things up and that Meyer did in fact have Bell around the football offices for consultation later. I won’t call it window dressing, but the intent was as much for PR among powerful boosters as anything else. Meyer and Mullen had no intention of running any other kind of offense. You have to understand something: Meyer was considered arrogant, and he is a bit arrogant. That’s ok. Highly successful people usually are a bit arrogant. It comes with the territory. You have to believe in yourself at that level or critics will eat you alive. If you shuffle your feet and do the aw shucks routine, behind the scenes the hyenas will get you. Meyer totally believes in his system. He is impatient with criticism that he doesn’t consider coming from a legit source. He thought he was being characterized unfairly.
Matthews was a thorn in the paw from the very outset. I think he felt that Meyer was an outsider (not a UF man) that Shane’s man (Spurs) had been sabotaged by Machen. Then when he saw the offense flounder some in 2005 and again (though far less) in 2006, he went ballistic and never subsequently stopped. His support of Meyer even after the 2009 BCS game was muted and sounded insincere, and then thereafter he was getting into the ears of Bull Gators again. Meyer himself admits the 2005 offense was non-functional. They tried to institute too much of their system too fast. But I’d rather an aggressive mistake than atavism from some former glory. Every coach needs to be given the opportunity to stand or fall on his own, with his own system.
I have no evidence that Bell was privately negative, only that there was a lot of negativity at OTC behind the scenes when he was there. Some of the folks there thought that some OTC players were being given short shrift by Meyer (such as LeCorn).
I believe that Matthews was in JB’s ear about how he’d be wasted at UF under Meyer, and this was one of the things that drove him to UT initially. All that business about cowboy culture, belt buckles, and boots was a smoke screen for some ugly stuff behind the scenes coming from Matthews. Bell was supportive of Meyer and UF, but in a kind of passive way, and didn’t really push UF because while he supported the alma mater, he didn’t support Meyer’s offense -at least not convincingly. Matthews also had a verbal altercation with Mullen at a football camp. I was not there. The story is that Mullen was visiting the camp and had some negative comments about how they were training the QB campers, to which Matthews took exception. I’m unsure if that version of the story has anything to recommend it as a fair account of the incident, but I’m quite sure the incident itself is not apocryphal.
Meyer had to work very, very hard to convince the Brantleys that he knew what to do with Johnny. And just to do the OTC folks some credit, no one but Shane was actively against Meyer. They simply didn’t know what to make of the UF offense, it was so radically different than what they were used to and what they thought would work, both for UF success and for Johnny. Some well meaning criticism of the Mullen-Meyer offense was not totally out of place in 2005. You saw what they wanted to do. You also how they just couldn’t get the kids to do some of it with any consistency. You saw the blowout loss to Bama after a promising start. And finally, you saw how Meyer needed his own kids for it to really shine. That’s nothing against Zook’s kids. They were recruited for a totally different scheme and had different skills than what Meyer and Mullen needed.
So Meyer did film sessions with the Brantley’s showing them how he was planning to use Johnny. Mullen was grilled on some occasions. Finally they became slowly convinced that Meyer knew what he was doing and the loyalty to UF factor began kicking in. But we came pretty close to losing a kid who should have been a surefire legacy and a mortal lock to UF. And some of that was due to Shane Matthews, who while the Brantleys and others were just trying to get questions answered and get satisfied on certain points, was a poisonous tongue yammering in the background.
I don’t have any person gripe against Shane. I’m sure he feels he has his reasons. But I can’t understand why for the sake of the program he can’t keep the highly critical stuff under wraps for now and come along for the ride.
Lenny in Ludowici
May 17th, 2009
2:10 pm
How’s that statue of the Master of Mediocrity, Vince “3 yards & a cloud of dust” Dooley working out for you guys? 1 NC and a half dozen SEC titles and you build a statue. Hahahahaha. Dudes, statues go to REAL coaches like that who coached over in Tuscaloosa. What was his name? How many NC’s & SEC titles?
You have tradition. It revolves around Dooley. Goff, Donnan, Richt….they’ve carried on that tradition – MEDIOCRE
dawgy
May 17th, 2009
2:34 pm
Urban and Paul “The Supermodel” Johnson are both good coaches. Both coach teams that beat Georgia last year. One of the two will end up at Notre Dame sooner than later. Mark it down. Richt will be at Georgia until he decides to quit. I’ll take Richt and decades of success over some temporary mercenary any day.
Mark T.
May 17th, 2009
2:38 pm
Hey, Lenny, congrats on your team’s success. What does th Bear mean to an 18 year old recruit? Nothing.
The national recruiting base that the Bear built was amazing, and buried in the past. Fact is, as good as Alabama high school ball is, the state is too small to fill the depth that a college program needs to be a consistant title winner and they lost their national recruiting base and they are not getting it back. Neither is Tennessee. You will have years that you beat UGA and Florida, but Alabama is good for about one SEC title per decade. Be proud of your history because it’s just that. My 17 year old son puts about as much stock in the rich Alabama history as he does about the great Army teams from yesteryear.
dawgy
May 17th, 2009
2:42 pm
Lenny – Is there a Ludowici in Alabama? The only one that I know of is that $hit hole speed trap in bumblef&ck SE Georgia. Are you one of those guys that liked Miami in the 80s, FSU in the 90s, and now Florida? Nifty bandwagon jumping. Let me guess…you’re a huge Cleveland Cavs fan right now? Go shoot yourself.
Karl Childers
May 17th, 2009
2:43 pm
Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmm…them techies shore look good in their mustard uniforms. Mustard. Mmmmmmhmmmmmmmmm.
Gator Nation
May 17th, 2009
2:52 pm
DanO… Well there is always going to be someone inside the program that disagrees and that’s OK. I draw the line when you start encouraging potential recruits to go elsewhere (best just to say nothing) and if that is in fact what Shane did, he was wrong. But the bottom line is, it’s like LIG in the Gator Nation, Life Is Good, and there’s no reason that every Gator should not be celebrating the success that Coach Meyer has brought, for these are truly some golden years for Florida Football. Let’s not let a little family disagreement get in the way. And for those who would say that Meyer isn’t really a Gator just remember this favorite saying…Once a Gator, Always a Gator!
dawgy
May 17th, 2009
3:20 pm
In all honesty, how much longer will Meyer be at Florida? Quite frankly, as a Georgia fan, it doesn’t matter to me, because we would struggle in Jax even if Ray Goff was coaching the gators. Well, maybe not, but you get my point.
I think that if Meyer truly didn’t have interest in Notre Dame, he would come right out and say it. He hasn’t, and I don’t think it’s for contract negotiation reasons. He has stated it is his dream job. True, he didn’t take it the first time around, but at that time he was realatively unproven, and the domers wouldn’t shell out the big bucks for him. Now it’s a different story. Nobody has the financial resources of Notre Dame, and yes, I’m including Texas.
Meyer is a midwest guy, and he would be the perfect fit. I think if he wins another MNC next year, he is gone. Look for UF to go after Shanahan or Stoops. Again.
PHIL
May 17th, 2009
3:39 pm
I have no problem with disagreements among family members. And just like in my own family, some don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Take Rex Robinson for example. Year before last when the defense was #2 in the nation, Coach Martinez walked on water. Then when he inherited season ending injuries and players who make stupid decisions on and off the field, suddenly he can’t coach. Defies logic. Rex, would you fire a man who had several years of success because in one year the players themselves collapsed? Last years defensive woes are on the players, not the coaches. The players sucked. Blaming Martinez for that is like blaming coach Hartman for you missing a field goal. He can only coach, he can’t kick it for you. Coaches coach, players play. I assure you there is no coach, at any level from 8 year olds up, that teach players to tackle using the belly bump method. Players make those decisions during the play.
And WILEY, with your two degrees and lies and all………what makes you think that someone is a good person when those close to him say otherwise and you have no personal experience in the matter? Do they teach logic at the technical college and it wasn’t a requirement for you?
PHIL
May 17th, 2009
3:45 pm
MIKE ADDINGTON, again, players play coaches coach. The WR coach can’t go out there and catch it for them. And you can’t coach “not choking.” You get the players you have because you believed they had demonstrated some ability at what ever their position requires. Maybe the receivers weren’t evaluated properly, but you can’t teach someone not to drop a pass in a game. They either catch it or not. The fact they just caught 200 just like it in practice the week before doesn’t matter. It’s the player that drops the pass not the coach.
anonymous
May 17th, 2009
3:45 pm
and mark prickt will never win a national title for ugaly
UGA... NOT!
May 17th, 2009
3:58 pm
Richt will never get rid of Willie Martinez. The real question is why. There’s something rotten going on there.
But Martinez is great for UGA opponents!
Notoray
May 17th, 2009
4:04 pm
TO: Georgia Dawg By Way Of Las Vegas
You’re correct – GT IQs are much higher than UGA’s. Much higher.
Notoray
May 17th, 2009
4:06 pm
To: F-Dawg
Same message to you.
Have a nice day.
Allapattah
May 17th, 2009
4:41 pm
What concerned Coach Meyer was that Shane Matthews never discussed his thoughts about the offense with him. Shane just went on a rant about the offense, during his radio show. I’m not saying that Shane should clear what is on his show with Coach Meyer, but I think he should have voiced his opinion with the coaching staff before he complained about the offense, on his show. Both Coach Meyer and Shane Matthews have met, since this dispute, and have made amends. See you boys, in Jax.
Lenny in Ludowici
May 17th, 2009
6:21 pm
Man, I can’t believe somebody’d call my hole in the wall town a speed trap. That hurt. It really did.
Scratching my head over the Mark T reply. Don’t know what that has to do with putting up a statue to an individual who really didn’t do much over the 25 years he coached at UGA. As stated in the Blog article, Dooley really wasn’t that popular during his coaching years before & after Walker because of his 3 yards & a cloud of dust philosophy. Georgia fans were ready to ride Dooley out of town on a rail, his offense was so boring. And remember, when you go slamming Goff, he was simply running the offense and calling the plays given to him in that system.
As for dawgy. I think he’s a little thin skinned. Don’t know what he’s talking about. I’m not a Bama fan, just a Jack-arse from Ludowici.
MArk
May 17th, 2009
7:29 pm
There’s alot of coments about Meyer’s @ BCS champiomships but those are beauty contest to who gets invited. The two SEC championships are impressive and those were won on the field. Dooley had Hershel for his offense, Meyer has Tebow. Tebow is an alltime great. Judging Meyer as a coach will really get started if he keeps winning SEC championships after Tebow leaves!
Stud
May 17th, 2009
8:59 pm
Dawgy you should get in line with the rest of the pressboys out there . Urban has said and did again this week state that he is NOT going to ND and has no interest . He is here for the long haul ! I do love watching all the opponets suffering enough to be sooo interested in what is going on inside the Gator Nation ! I guess winning 2 NC in football and 2 NC in Basketball in the last 3 years will do that . SOunds like to me everyone elas are the ones crying and losing at the same time….
F-Dawg
May 17th, 2009
9:06 pm
NOTORAY….Right…you’re so smart you’re on a GA blog arguing about IQ’s…….hhhhhmmmmmmmm
Gators abuse dogs
May 17th, 2009
11:09 pm
Note to Billy King and “dawg nation”: If you want to stop the whining and complaining about Urban Meyer and The Gators all you have to do is beat them consistently……..and that will never happen under Urban Meyer’s watch, especially after the stunt that was pulled in 2007. Mr. King, if you make your living crying about the gators and “woe are bulldogs” you are going to be a wealthy man for a very long time. God, it’s great to be a Florida Gator!
JMO
May 18th, 2009
1:07 am
To recent comments about CWM being a genius in ‘07, I’m not sure who said that. In a lot of games in ‘07 we did not perform very well. I think at the end of the season we were the very best team in college football and anyone would have been afraid to play us in a bowl. LSU was extremely lucky they did not have to face us in the SECCG. Football is a funny game and I think the end of the ‘07 season was dominated by Marcus Howard and a few teammates who caught the spirit and confidence. I am not sure CWM deserves the credit for it any more than he is not totally to blame for early ‘07 and all of ‘08. I just have to consider that the defense has trended downhill over the last 4-5 years for some reason!
I think Kevin Butler’s comments are on point! After a year or more it seems to finally be striking a cord with CMR. Kevin is a loyal Dawg and one does not need to attack his son to make a point. Drew will do his best and we should wish him the best.
I also think Rex makes valid points. As most he is frustrated with recent defensive efforts. He was in the dressing rooms and meetings years ago, he saw first hand the intensity of Coach Russell, and he can appreciate the drop-off. At least respect him for what he did for the program.
Once again the question of location for the GA/FLA game. CMR’s points were excellent. Strong consideration should be given for the Georgia at least one in four. Fans should look for the good of UGA and not themselves. I’m sure I live closer to Jax that 98% of you on this blog. The MOST IMPORTANT factor is who has the week off before the game. If you don’t believe me, check the series. Since the game is so important it seems imperative that we schedule that week off in the future. That is more important than where it is played.
Congrats to UM and Tebow. Am I envious? Of course, who wouldn’t be? I don’t agree with everything our staff does and I damn sure don’t have to agree with the way you conduct yours!
Go Dawgs!!!!!!!!!
Ryan
May 18th, 2009
8:45 am
Criticizing a two-time national champion coach from your alma mater isn’t wise any way you cut it. I’m sure if Richt had those credentials you would feel the same way Bill. This “story ” or blog is much ado about nothing.
JP
May 18th, 2009
10:16 am
DAWGY if u need a quote from meyer saying he isnt going to coach up north go to gatorsports.com and you will see it.
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May 18th, 2009
11:10 am
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Freelemur
May 18th, 2009
11:59 am
The inaccuracies of this blog do not surprise me but I’ll comment anyway. Shane Mathews made repeated comments regarding John Brantley and how he shouldn’t have come to Florida because his talents would be wasted in Urban Meyer’s offense. This is the issue Meyer was speaking about as he feels it could negatively effect recruiting.
Urban Meyer could care less if Shane Mathews criticizes his game plan.
I also find it ironic that you continue to use this “crier” moniker for Meyer when Mark Richt has been carrying on about having to play in Jacksonville and how unfair it is for his team. I suppose when your record is as miserable as his you’d have to start reaching for any excuse.
GatorInNC
May 18th, 2009
12:52 pm
As a fan and alumnus of Florida, we don’t care what anyone thinks of Meyer. Matthews’ show is hardly one that would be getting any kind of national recognition if not for this indirect attention that’s been brought to it. As my colleague, Freelemur, has so accurately stated, those idiotic comments by “the QB” could hurt our recruiting. If you want to criticize the Gators play for one game, fine. But, conversely, the same coach who was being criticized already won more national titles than Shane did at his time at UF. And now, has 2 more than Shane won. And that number will most likely increase again. Could it be Shane is a little miffed that his idol didn’t get the job again at UF? And that his “help” isn’t needed? And the last question I have is…should I add a clever “chomp, chomp” to the end of this post? You know, seeing as how “woof woof” rally legitimized the original blog entry.
H&L
May 18th, 2009
1:48 pm
What’s lost in all this idiocy is the context in which Meyer made his comments… he was actually praising ex-players like Jack Youngblood, and he was trying to illustrate how helpful or beneficial their support has been by contrasting and comparing it with criticism in general–not specific criticism from any one player in particular. The media INFERRED that it was a direct reference to Shane. And even if it was a veiled shot at Shane, it was warranted because of the effect Shane’s negativity might have on recruiting. Anyone with half a brain would see it that way, even a bitter rival… so it’s really not surprising at all that someone who concludes their blog entries with “woof woof” cannot be bothered to do actual research and instead simply regurgitates ESPN’s incomplete and useless take on the subject, but what do I know… I guess if Bill King is entertaining the nitwits among the dawg fanbase, he must be doing his job right.
Rob
May 18th, 2009
2:14 pm
What we have here is another columnist who neglected to do his homework or take the comments in context. First, Freelemur makes a great point about the comments that Shane made about John Brantley which were probably out of line for a former player. Second, the rift between Matthews and Meyer goes back a few years to a summer camp. Apparently there were some heated arguments regarding offensive philosophy between Meyer’s staff and former players who played under Spurrier in the fun n’ gun. Word has it that was never ironed out.
So what we’re left with are journalists who not only are desperate to find fault with the top dog and to appease their reader base but are also scrounging for a story in a slow time for sports.
PHIL
May 18th, 2009
2:19 pm
JMO, ever played football? Rex was not in defensive meetings with coach Russell. He would absolutely be my favorite kicker of all time, he’s the first one I remember. But he is not my favorite defensive lineman, back or linebacker. The logic he used in making his points would also translate in to saying that the field goals he missed were somehow the fault of his coach. There for, the are not valid.
D-Dawg
May 19th, 2009
12:46 am
You gates get outta da Junkyard!!! Yall don’t add nuthin but big fat lies. And you may not belive, but we still in yalls head. You aint got no percy, so Teeboy aint doing all by his purty self. Urban’s gonna cry again, the D-Dawg told ya so. Hunker down on dat gate meat, Woof Woff!!!
bp
May 28th, 2009
8:18 pm
Where did the great Coach Paul Johnson play college football?