Ex-Dawgs don’t always follow party line

The Urban Crier doesn’t like former Florida players criticizing the way his team is run, as he made clear in recent comments widely viewed as being aimed at ex-Gator quarterback Shane Matthews, who was critical on his radio show of the lizards’ offensive plan in their loss to Ole Miss last year. Said the Crier: “You’re either a Gator or you’re not a Gator.” The subtext: If you criticize the Crier, you’re not a Gator.

Over in the Bulldog Nation, Mark Richt thankfully has a much thicker skin and lets the very occasional criticism from former Dawgs roll off his back, at least in public. Mr. 60-Yarder, Kevin Butler, has been openly critical of the Dogs’ approach to the kicking game, particularly coverage of kickoffs, in some of his post-game broadcasts in Athens. And another UGA kicking great, Rex Robinson, has posted comments here critical of the Richt program’s penchant for directional kickoffs.

Well, Robinson apparently isn’t thrilled with the Dawgs’s defense over the past couple of years, either, as he makes clear in a post on his new blog. Says Robinson: “As an old school guy that played when Coaches Dooley and Russell were in control, I understand the bend don’t break philosophy of defense. I also understood the ball control offenses we employed then. Y’all hated both of them then and you hate them now. Some things never change. The thing is, if you are gonna employ that conservative approach to defense, you have to be able to tackle, and we couldn’t much of the time last year. Especially in blowout games.”

He goes on to make the point that he thinks Richt may be too loyal to certain staff members, and obviously he’s talking about defensive coordinator Willie Martinez. “Let me be clear,” Robinson says. “I love and respect Mark Richt. I hope he stays forever, but does that mean he’s perfect and does not make mistakes? No. I just want him to scrutinize the performance of his coaches and hold them to the same level of accountability as he does his players.”

Now, I know there are readers of this blog who take a view along the lines of the Crier: If you support a team, you shouldn’t criticize it. As longtime readers know, I don’t subscribe to that philosophy. 

And I’m glad that in the Bulldog Nation, even if you don’t agree with the head Dawg, you can still proudly call yourself a Dawg.

Woof woof.

109 comments Add your comment

guy

May 15th, 2009
2:49 pm

impartial observer here, but using terms like ‘urban crier’ is pretty sophmoric for an actual column no? leave that trash to the commenters bill.

Kenny Powers

May 15th, 2009
2:53 pm

We employed the bend and break method of defensive thanks to Willie. And the “I refuse to adjust” methodology as well.

jablonski

May 15th, 2009
2:55 pm

Dont worry, Bill. I got it.

Guy,
How about Urban Liar, or as Corrine Brown (D) FL says CORCH MEYERS.

If you dont like it, take your impartial A$$ somewhere else.

Kenny Powers

May 15th, 2009
2:57 pm

He might cry, but he has 2 BCS titles. Which one do you want?

Bill King

May 15th, 2009
2:59 pm

That “impartial” observer listed a made-up e-mail address with an anti-UGA epithet in it. Maybe he should look up impartial in the dictionary.

I’m not impartial. So Urban Crier, it is.

wiley

May 15th, 2009
2:59 pm

Wow man your post has alot of hate towards Urban. He is a great coach and committed to the gators. Im not gators fan but i can see how good of a coach and person he is, and I understand why he gets so much hate….Jealousy. Its stupid to state one way of reacting to criticism is morally superior to another. Let Urban handle things the way he wants…because obviously its working as evident by the two championships they have won since he has been there.

JOE

May 15th, 2009
3:02 pm

IDIOTS. Typical Mutt fans. You have 10 bucks and a Wal-Mart you can be a Georgia fan.

bigdawg01

May 15th, 2009
3:03 pm

Good Point Kenny Powers,
Look at the first couple of series with FL in 08. Good start and then what, NO adjustments. He did it all season. Soft Zone, Soft Zone. For Gods sake, Beecher from USC threw all over us. Terrible. Hope CWM hears that ticking in the back ground.

BugKiller

May 15th, 2009
3:06 pm

Suck it Altamaha and the rest of the blind loyalists.

What do you have to say about Willie now?

Huh?

May 15th, 2009
3:23 pm

It would be one thing if Florida had won the game. I personally get very annoyed when people start whining about all the things that went wrong in a win, as was the case several times last year for Georgia. Sometimes the whining was warranted but often times it wasn’t.

As for Florida, Shane Matthews was referring to a loss. Earth to Urban Crier: Whatever you were doing in that Ole Miss game so obviously didn’t work if the scoreboard is any indication. A real leader takes responsibility for his failures and doesn’t try to turn it around on other people. Meyer’s arrogance will catch up to him some day. No doubt about it.

uga_b

May 15th, 2009
3:37 pm

I guess that means when he criticizes his current players he is not a Real Gator either? Just trying to wrap my head around the logic.

JB

May 15th, 2009
3:40 pm

Richt needs a slobber knocking SOB with a brain to run the Defense. I ALWAYS thought our defense would win us ….or keep close ANY game we played. Willie’s supporters would have you look at the 2007 season, but I’ve seen Vandy and the like drive on us in the 4th Qtr. the last 2-3 years and almost beat us. Scheme? lack of talent ? Heart ? I don’t know…… people now move the ball on us way to easy…….

jablonski

May 15th, 2009
3:42 pm

Hmmm Hey Wiley,
your quote:
“i can see how good of a coach and person he is”

I remember when Ernest Graham was their running back, might have been his second year and he called all his backs “trash”. Regardless of his RB’s, that is NOT a remark of good coach or person. Get your head out the medias a$$ over how they portray him.

Bill King

May 15th, 2009
3:57 pm

I recognize Urban’s strengths as a coach and have, in fact, written here about how I wish Richt would emulate his approach to making special teams truly special. But his my-way-or- the-highway approach to supporters is too thin-skinned.

Bill King ...What a retard

May 15th, 2009
4:04 pm

Old news Bill King the retard.You are so Jealous of the Gators program.What has your mutts done for the last 28 years Bill? Say CHOKE! The AJC is nothing more than a rag, you (Bill)are the Maxi Pad.

Real Old Dawg

May 15th, 2009
4:21 pm

“Bill King …What a retard,” or whatever your real name is … your comments are unwarranted. You may not agree with Bill or other folks who post here, but leave your trash-talking in the trailer park. Other comments aren’t much better. It’s easy to be critical without acting like a thug.

Who’s monitoring this site?

mike addington

May 15th, 2009
4:48 pm

Well, Rex certainly had it right when he said that the bend but don’t break defense requires good tackling, something we have surely lacked the last couple of years, especially last year. It was pitiful watching Alabama’s backs run straight up the middle time after time. Rashad Jones especially made me want to throw up. I was for firing the receiver;s coach the first few years of CMR’s tenure because of all the dropped passes and I’m for firing WM now. Competition is the name of the game. Loyalty is great but you have to earn your job every day like everyone else in America. Would Richt have let, say, David Greene stay as the first sring quarterback if he had thrown interception after interception. No. So why does loyalty override comptetence in the make up of the coaching staff.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
4:53 pm

I say, that I hope the team and WM have a good year, and I’ll be pulling for them this year. Thanks for asking.

Robinson seems a little confused. Dooley and Erk are the very anti-thesis of what he is saying.

Otto

May 15th, 2009
4:54 pm

Bill your Urban Crier comment is making the UGA fans look like a bunch a cry babies. Further I would like to see articles stay up for one day and generate conversation.

Next off Bobo is just as bad as CWM at not adjusting. Bobo likes the screen, play long bomb and RB up the middle. Does anyone remember Stafford getting hammered on the play action a few times after the other teams DC knew it was coming or the Stafford to Moreno shovel pass.

Dog in Fla

May 15th, 2009
5:16 pm

“[Special teams] are a great indicator of how hard teams play and how they are taught,”

Urban Meyer, Head Coach, Bowling Green State University, Oct. 15, 2002.

Whenever your team is down 49-3, we Georgia fans give the opposing head coach credit for knowing a little something about coaching. Or at least a little more about it than ours do.

Otto

May 15th, 2009
5:23 pm

Dog in Fla, not to mention Special teams were what really won the Peach Bowl against VT.

Hunk Erdown

May 15th, 2009
6:06 pm

This blog should be a reminder that the schools are starting to begin summer breaks between now and the next several weeks. Last year it got really bad and I can only hope that the new format will afford Bill and the other blogologists the ability to block trouble makers… especially the variety that ride the short school bus. I don’t know why an ajc blog would be attractive to people to troll and misbehave, when I was a kid our main misbehaviour was to slip away from our “around the house” chores and go drop a hook and line in the nearest cat fish pond. We might have got a whoopin’, but we also brought home dinner.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
6:33 pm

I know I barely remember our NFL draft laden first string offence never scoring a single point against FL in 08. I can even overlook turning over the ball 4 times. But that zone!

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
6:36 pm

HD, ever catch one of those Bowfin? or dogfish they call em. Freaky looking jurassic age creatures.

WalkerMuhDawg

May 15th, 2009
6:36 pm

Rex and Butler have their heads on straight with their thoughts. Special teams philosophy is a real point of contention for me, too, with the current staff. They’re just not that special most of the time.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
6:41 pm

Just food for thought but in the years that UM has been coaching the UF special teams they have finished in the lower half of the SEC in as many categories as they have ever finished in the upper half, and certainly not regularly at the top.

Dorsey Hill

May 15th, 2009
6:43 pm

Wiley,

In 1940 would you say “hey, let Hitler do what he wants…He’s been quite successful?”

Here is the point and read closely. Review three of four times, so you get it.

Success does not mean that your methods are sound or justified.

Success can be acheived in a variety of ways. You have the John Wooden way and the Bob Knight way. Both tremendously successfully. However, they are not, morally at least, in equipose.

Now you may think that “you are with us or against us” is a fine appraoch even though it buys your silence as a condition for enjoying the success of your coach and team. That is the totalitarian, top down, love it or leave crap that many ascribe to. While that is an unreasonable position it is at least on point. Again the point is: is Meyer’s approach to criticism right, not whether Meyer is, has been, or will be a successful head coach.

Personally, I think that as long as you have a reasonable clue as to what you are talking about your input is welcome. Unfortunately there are many fans who think they know football and have neither a clue nor the discretion to keep their stupidity to themselves. And then we have Wiley who can’t even understand the point to begin with.

Bill King the baby

May 15th, 2009
6:48 pm

What a pathetic and childish post for what looks like a man in his 60s in Bill King.

You appear to be the big baby here. Just because your little puppy butt sniffers haven’t been able to beat Florida with any consistency since the 80’s you make yourself feel big by making 3rd grader comments about our head coach.

You are a joke just like UGA football is.

Hunk Erdown

May 15th, 2009
7:34 pm

Alt

I’ve seen pictures of ‘em, never caught one though. I’d like to come fish some down in your neck of the woods, but I’ve been busy up here ever since they started stocking all the streams with trout.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
7:56 pm

They also call them “lawyer fish”, because they will bite anything and good for nothing.
That one is not mine Atl Gator, look it up.

Urban Crier

May 15th, 2009
8:03 pm

Wins championships…can back up what he says….Bill King,Tony Barnyard, Chip Towers and UGA fans whine cry and make pathetic excusess like the bitches they are.

m=saintsimonslover

May 15th, 2009
8:40 pm

Hey Joe, if you have 10 bucks and a Walmart you and nine other NERD friends of yours can be Tech fans!!

Bryan G.

May 15th, 2009
8:40 pm

Until Richt begins to demand perfection (like Saban and Meyer), he will never achieve it.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
8:48 pm

Saban and Meyers are very good coaches but come on! They demand perfection? In the past 2 years they have split with Richt and lost just as many games.

AltamahaDawg

May 15th, 2009
8:56 pm

And over time will lose one out of every 5 games, just like every good coach in history.

chrisbyard

May 15th, 2009
9:33 pm

can anyone give an update on Chris Burnette’s status in the valedictorian standings?

S.E. Dawg

May 15th, 2009
9:52 pm

If Kevin Butler is worried about the kicking game, wait until he sees how badly his son will do in the punting game. He may turn it around, and hope he does, but so far I haven’t been impressed with his son’s abilities.

tim

May 15th, 2009
10:21 pm

call him urban anything you want because he will continue to kick uga’s ass with monotonous regularity. next game he’ll call at least 3 time outs while leading by 50…you sorry dogs wish you had a championship winning coach and program but you don’t so bite the gator again girls,,,see you in jax at least for the first half because you’ll be so far behind at halftime most of you will be heading back to st simons

MVP

May 15th, 2009
10:21 pm

Bill is this best you can do? There no way you are on the ajc payroll unless they are paying you with circus peanuts.

Denver Dog

May 15th, 2009
10:33 pm

I guess those great “mighty gators” can not find a “mighty gator blog”. Get a clue, it is “called Junkyard Blog”. I don’t go to,nor do I look for wherever your blogs might be, but I suppose there are some. They must not be too good though, since you spend your time reading and commenting on an UGA blog.

I guess Tim, that is why they play the game. So yes we will see you in Jax. We will probabally be 3-4 coming in so I’m sure you are right, we will be down by 50 points, and your class coach will call 3 timeouts in the last 45 seconds. Who cares, what you think right now. If UF wins this year, I, like most dog fans will say good game and good luck. I’m sure you and your gang will do the same. Yeah right!

BS Patrol

May 15th, 2009
11:18 pm

Blackfish we call ‘em over here on the Flint. Put up a heck of a fight especially after they get in the boat with the uninitiated. Stink like the Devil! I have actually heard of people eating them.

Hunk Erdown

May 15th, 2009
11:47 pm

I caught a catfish on the Flint that was so big the picture of it weighed 11 pounds.

chrisbyard

May 16th, 2009
12:21 am

are there any intelligent people reading or posting here? i think i’m wasting my time. some of you should be posting on the broom closet tool. im out

Alabamadawg

May 16th, 2009
7:35 am

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…I wish we had gotten Tenn.’s defensive coach , Chavis, when he became available at the end of last season…what an upgrade that would have been !!!

Cuz

May 16th, 2009
7:43 am

In accordance with the Fairness Doctrine, I will let it be known that it is my hope that Coach Martinez and the defense have a great GATA year. If they do what they said, “We need to wrap up when we tackle.” They just might. No more hitting and bouncing off. Wrap it up and if you cannot stop the guy, slow him down till the other ten pound him three feet into the turf.

C’mon Florida fans. You know it, I know it and the American people know it. If Urban Meyer had never cried on TV after a game, he would have not got his nickname. Plain and simple. If you don’t like it, get another coach who won’t shed crocodile, uh aligator tears. Two MNC’s should make up for Urban’s tears.

Sautee Dawg

May 16th, 2009
8:01 am

Dorsey Hill
“Success does not mean that your methods are sound or justified.”
You major in Law or Business? Good line for either one.

Haywood Jablowme

May 16th, 2009
8:21 am

Who the hell cares what Robinson thinks? All he did was kick a foot ball, sit back down, and bitch about what was going on. Same with Butler. Butler hasn’t and won’t stop bitching until his kid is a starter. Bottom line……if you guys think you can do a better coaching job, throw your hat in the ring. Until then shut the hell up. After all, you are either a Bulldog, or you’re not. Don’t sit in seat # 37 F and critisize the coaching staff.

savanadawg

May 16th, 2009
8:23 am

Remember when we heard those immortal words “Hunker Down you Hairy Dawgs, Hunker Down”!!!!!! God help me I miss it so. But under Erk they would. How in the world did we get to were we are today on defense. I think it started when Erk left the building to build his own. Coach Willie Martinez mite just need to come on down to Statesboro Ga. and take a bath in “Beautiful Eagle Creek” and ask God to let Erk bless him and put a spell over him so as too bring back the magic of once what was.

rphdawg

May 16th, 2009
8:32 am

to s.e.dawg – i agree about the kicking game worries but don’t embarrass real dawg fans by attacking kevin’s son…. it petty, immature and rude… ever have anybody really get you p.o’d by badmouthing onna your kids…. don’t dis kevin’s son just because you don’t like kevin’s remarks.
and as far as supporting CMR – he knows more about feetball, talent evaluation and personnel management than all of us put together… so just let the head coach be the lead dog in the pack.
criticize the coach and play calling and game plan if you like, but don’t attack the kids…

savanadawg

May 16th, 2009
8:40 am

oh, and another thought Bill. Your blog is supposed to be about UGA. I really could care less about those other guys. And be careful how you use that word “Junkyard”; It is in referance to a great UGA defensive football team. I’m not sure these kid’s today could even hold those guys jock strap. The verdict is still out. My defense against UF. Hit Tim Tebox every time he touches the ball. Sooner or later something has got to give.