Time to put Hall of Fame vote on shelf, overhaul system
Chipper Jones will be in Hall of Fame one day. But how does Fred McGriff get only 118 votes while Craig Biggio gets 388? (AJC photo)
Junk it. Fix it. At the very least, put all of this on a shelf for a while and let it breathe.
Maybe the whole system needs to be blown up. Maybe the voting populace needs to be redefined, or at least shrunk to a more workable size (enough to fit into small boardroom).
Maybe the powers of baseball and the Hall of Fame can issue some sort of declaration like, “This is what qualifies as cheating. That is what doesn’t.”
Or, “Frankly, we don’t care who did what.”
But right now the system stinks. It’s broken. When Craig Biggio gets more than three times as many votes as Fred McGriff, it’s totally broken. Something needs to change or everything needs to change. The only certainty is that whatever needs to be fixed won’t be done before 2014 ballots being mailed out.
So take a year off from elections. Maybe two years. Let it breathe — not like a fine wine, more like an old meat locker that needs disinfecting.
The only people who really would be upset about such a move would be those who are becoming eligible and obviously deserve to be honored, including Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine 2014 and John Smoltz in 2015.
They can wait. They’ll have their day. This is more important.
The results of this year’s Baseball Hall of Fame election were unveiled Wednesday. Nobody got in. The only winner was the U.S. postal service. Junk mail has had more impact than the 569 ballots that were mailed in.
Nobody can agree on Barry Bonds, who received 36.2 percent of the vote in his first year of eligibility, less than half the amount needed (75 percent). Nobody can agree on Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa or anybody else associated with performance-enhancing drugs to varying degrees.
Nobody, inexplicably, can agree on guys like McGriff, Jack Morris or Tim Raines, all of whom were checked on my ballot, but not enough.
The thumbs down given to Barry Bonds, Rogers Clemens and other suspected steroids users was one thing the voters did right.
Too few (18.6 percent) again checked the box next to Dale Murphy, despite the consecutive MVP awards and the fact he was fueled on nothing stronger than milk and Froot Loops.
Murphy was typically classy Wednesday. He thanked family members, fans and some media members for support. He was grateful for this year’s voting “bump.” But even he cracked, “Maybe I should’ve retired after 1988 — I would’ve had a better chance. But I played through some injuries. I could’ve gone to the American League as a DH, but I wasn’t thinking about the Hall of Fame, I was thinking about winning.”
If the Veteran’s Committee ever votes Murphy in, he should get his own wing.
The top vote-getter this year was Craig Biggio. Craig … Biggio.
How many times did anybody watch Craig Biggio play and think, “Now there goes one of the all-time greats”? How is he named on 388 ballots and McGriff on 118?
We need more time to let the PED issue play out. We need clarity on the voting process and the criteria. It’s clear that 569 voters were on 569 different pages.
If the Cooperstown gatekeepers seek to take the vote away from the baseball writers association, I’m completely OK with that. The media’s job should be to provide coverage and perspective on news, not be the news. It’s why most major newspapers, including The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, no longer allow writers to vote in college football polls or season awards. The Hall of Fame has been an exception because it’s a post-career honor. Besides, what’s Dale Murphy going to buy my vote with — a cheeseburger and fries?
Between suspected steroids-users Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and (to a lesser degree) Jeff Bagwell, Hall voters rejected winners of eight MVP awards, seven Cy Youngs and eight home run champions. Bonds (1), Sosa (8), McGwire (10) and Rafael Palmeiro (12) rank among career home run leaders.
Michael Weiner, the players union’s executive director, reacted as you would expect a shill would: “To ignore the historic accomplishments of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens is hard to justify. To penalize players exonerated in legal proceedings … is simply unfair.”
Not really. If they cheated the game, all bets are off. That’s my opinion. Obviously some disagree. We need a uniform set of criteria. We need better than what have. And there should be no rush to get to the next vote.
By Jeff Schultz
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tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:22 pm
It’s not like there are a lot of great black pitchers in baseball anyway – maybe some of you confused this for basketball! The Babe was the most incredible player ever – by almost every measure!
tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:24 pm
Fans are too dumb to vote. Look at the All Star games.
tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:26 pm
Can you imagine the fans voting? ‘I want Murphy in there! I want the Chippa!’. Give me a break!
Jeff Schultz
January 9th, 2013
9:27 pm
Paddy O — Rice was great, not disputing that.
JSS
January 9th, 2013
9:28 pm
Light skinned to Caucasians Latins were not generally the best players in the region… My soon to be father-in-law who followed the old Mexican leagues told me about all of the great negro players from Latin America and the Caribe before WWII that he saw as a kid,,, It is not even a fair disagreement…
Jeff Schultz
January 9th, 2013
9:29 pm
Wooooo — Actually if you look around the Internet you’ll see I’m not alone on this. Tyler Kepner of NY Times and Richard Justice of MLB.com are two who’ve written similar pieces.
wally
January 9th, 2013
9:31 pm
I have been a baseball fan all of my life nearly 64 years. I hate it that the game is in such bad shape. The first thing to restoring credability to the game is more drug testing. #2 Shorten the season, it like all pro sports the season is far to long. The salaries are far to high. Though many may disagree the game was far greater in the late sixties and early seventies than it is now. That is debatable.. I just wish that there was more we could do to improve the game. I am afraid that pro and college football has move ahead of the game of baseball.
Jeff Schultz
January 9th, 2013
9:31 pm
Hall of Shame — “NO ONE ON DRUGS SHOULD BE IN…”
<<< I never said Bonds, Clemens, et. al should be in HOF. In fact I’ve written just the opposite.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 9th, 2013
9:34 pm
“I agree that not having African American players in baseball pre-1947 helped whites. But I think Babe Ruth would’ve been great regardless. Just saying.”
That’s fair, but Barry Bonds would have been great without steroids too. Just saying that steroids are not the only competitive advantage in baseball’s history.
tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:34 pm
Shultz is like the ’shock-jock’ of sportswriters! Let me see – what can I say that will stir the pot today?
Stuart
January 9th, 2013
9:36 pm
Somebody please tell me how it is baseball purity to reject the All Time Home Run Leader (Bonds) for ALLEGEDLY taking a substance that was not even punishable by Baseball while he played, and to reject the All Time Hits Leader (Rose) for something he did AFTER he retired as a player, BUT we celebrate a pitcher in the HOF (Gaylord Perry) who was famous for one thing …. CHEATING! In fact, Perry even wrote a book about how he cheated by doctoring the ball and throwing spitters.
tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:38 pm
Nice job Jeff – gimme some Tim Raines in that HOF today – right next to Honus Wagner. It’s a classic Jeff.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 9th, 2013
9:41 pm
“Truly sad the minorities are so intent on making RACE an issue in most everything.
The MLB players of any era have only those against whom they competed as a measuring stick. Babe Ruth was a truly remarkable athlete for his time and for ALL TIME. As far as I know he is one of only 2 players to hit at least 30 home runs in a year and steal home at least 10 times in his career. Lou Gehrig is the other.”
I am not black. I didn’t “make this an issue” — it is an issue whether or not you want to acknowledge it. The point of my first post was not to disparage Babe Ruth, it was to point out that he had a competitive advantage at least as significant as Bonds or McGwire or Sosa. There are two arguments for keeping steroid users out of the HOF — the competitive advantage argument and the character argument — and yet there are players already in the Hall who fail one or the other or both. That is the point I was making, not that Babe Ruth sucks. Somehow that seems to have been lost in translation.
JSS
January 9th, 2013
9:42 pm
McGriff is silly to me, and Baseball Writers should know better… He hit homers in two of the graveyards for power hitters (Exhibition Stadium and Jack Murphy)! The 1995 Strike robbed him of 500 HRs…
Hillbilly D
January 9th, 2013
9:42 pm
Agreed that baseball was better in the 60’s and early 70’s (didn’t really see the ’50s). There were more truly great players playing then, in my opinion. I wouldn’t shorten the season. The grind is what sets baseball apart from the other sports. You can’t ride a hot streak all year, sooner or later, the league catches up to you. I would go back to just 2 teams from each league in the playoffs, though. I’d go back to the old East and West Divisions and if you can’t win your divisions, go home, you don’t deserve to play in October.
I’d also raise the mound back to 15″. It restore balance to the game and a good many people in baseball believe due to the change in throwing angles, it would cut down on arm problems. That’s never going to happen but that’s what I’d like to see.
Sonny Clusters
January 9th, 2013
9:46 pm
It’s good to see some baseball being blogged on here tonight. There’s lots to catch up on and we was wondering when we could jump in with some pithy baseball commentary. First, we was sad to see the Clermont has been sold and we was wondering if a certain “class act” former baseball player was going to be affected by the sale? We was also wondering where beet writers are going to go now for entertainment? If we was a betting Clusters we would bet that the Falcons are going to win the first playoff game and we was quick to note that Ol’ Jeff was saying they have to win because they always fail in the playoffs and we was wondering if that shouldn’t be true of the Braves, too? We are still hurting from the play-in game and was thinking the approach ought to be different this year in hopes of different/better results. As to the HOF, if Murphy isn’t worthy then we don’t think anybody else is either. Some who want to call a baseball player a “class act” need to get acquainted with Murphy who really was and is just that. As to the indian head on the baseball cap we was thinking that’s confusing because the Braves already have a baseball head mascot and now they’re trying to go with a different head on the caps. If it was us who had to decide we’d retire Homer the Brave because he’s too much like Mr Met and we’d find a redneck to be the mascot and he could come out and walk around when they play Country Boy between innings. That’s all for now.
tree rollins
January 9th, 2013
9:47 pm
Bonds deserves HOF status like Lance Armstrong deserves all his trophies – NOT! So if I cheat on my taxes more than you I deserve more money cause you were too wimpy to do it!
BobDawg
January 9th, 2013
9:48 pm
Jeff, I’ve been to the HOF and alot of these guys are already “in” with their memorabilia and “stuff”.. I will make a bet with you and this always brings alot of conversation…. If Pete Rose backed a truck up Monday to Cooperstown and said he wanted all his stuff out of there and his name black marked on all he record books…They would call for an emergency vote and get him inducted… He has that much “stuff” and records that are already in there….
Stuart
January 9th, 2013
9:56 pm
To Tree Rollins: Name me ONE baseball investigation, or legal investigation, that found Barry Bonds GUILTY of using steroids. There isn’t one. So how can anybody conclusively say that he cheated? Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. But I thought people were innocent until proven guilty in this country
JSS
January 9th, 2013
9:56 pm
Clusters cracking on Homer the Brave!!!
Stuart
January 9th, 2013
10:00 pm
LOL We all should be cracking on Homer The Brave. What a stupid mascot. I’ll take Chief Noc-A-Homa any day of the week over Homer
Wilbo
January 9th, 2013
10:05 pm
Maybe if Dale Murphy had spent more time learning how to look less like a fool with that awkward, ugly one handed whiff at the down & away curveball, than he did making ice cream commercials– he’d have a shot. He had good years and then looked AWFUL at the end of his career. You can’t die that fast and look that bad and make it into the HOF. Doesn’t deserve it, won’t get it. Period. Give it up.
Hall vote worked perfectly. Obvious roid cheaters didn’t get in and I think that is exactly how most fans want it. Borderliners got borderliner numbers just as they should.
I will agree with you, I’d like to have seen Fred get more support.
Hillbilly D
January 9th, 2013
10:05 pm
Look at pictures of Bonds in 91 or so as a Pirate, then at the end of his career. The difference is obvious (same with Sosa and McGwire). In fairness though, it may be as much HGH as steroids. Either way, they all blew up overnight.
Jeff2
January 9th, 2013
10:07 pm
Falcons comparison – Many people seem to think Murphy in his prime (1983-1985) was maybe comparable to what Matt Ryan is today for the Falcons. Yes, Ryan is very good but is not an unanimous elite player at present, and he will need many seasons like 2012 to be a football HOF candidate.
On the other hand, Murphy in his prime was more comparable to what Aaron Rodgers is right now (established MVP, easily considered a top QB in the league). Rodgers is easily thought of as a football HOF candidate already. But, suppose Rodgers gets hurt in a couple of years, starts to drop off, and then has to retire – do we just totally write-off his greatness over the past 5+ years?
How could a shrine to football ignore the impact a player like Rodgers has had and how can baseball ignore the impact that a player like Murphy had on the 80’s?
Hillbilly D
January 9th, 2013
10:09 pm
Here’s a couple of interesting articles for anybody who cares to read them.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-steroids-loom-major-college-football-080545936–spt.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=167798328
Hillbilly D
January 9th, 2013
10:10 pm
Well I got moderated……..here’s an interesting article
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-impact-steroids-loom-major-college-football-080545936–spt.html
Hillbilly D
January 9th, 2013
10:11 pm
And here’s another one
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=167798328
JSS
January 9th, 2013
10:17 pm
@ Hillbilly..
Thumbs up!
StingerSplash
January 9th, 2013
10:21 pm
Biggio excelled at three positions and finished with over 3,000 hits. This is what you scoff at, Mr. Schultz?
BehindEnemyLines
January 9th, 2013
10:27 pm
Sorry Jeff but there IS criteria, and the voters appear to have largely followed it.
Just because it doesn’t agree with what would have been my own personal ballot (Biggio, Murphy, Morris, Raines and Piazza) doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist … it just means that there isn’t a strong enough consensus about those guys.
Mike A
January 9th, 2013
11:23 pm
Stuart – you are correct. Though it’s certainly likely many of these mentioned players did steroids, the actual concrete evidence against Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Piazza, Bagwell, and others is pretty thin in most cases – and none in others. Sadly, the writers are judge, jury, and executioner and they’re ignoring this fact. As a baseball fan, I find their attitude disheartening and unfair.
Steroids have been prevalent in baseball since the 80s, and would have been prevalent in the 20s, 50s, whenever. Someone mentioned Mike Schmidt – he was actually one of the few past players to be honest and admit he probably would have done steroids to keep up with everyone else. It was the culture of the time and the writers knew exactly what was going on, even if they so desperately try to cling to their moral superiority now.
Let them in. History will define their accomplishments. Heck, a few years down the line when genetic modification takes over sport, people may long for the steroid days.
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
12:25 am
I feel like we did make a statement in this year’s Hall of Fame vote to keep PED players from getting in, all of them. Thank you for your vote on that, despite the high numbers some PED players got.
I am not such much concerned about the high numbers, as I am convinced that those voters should have their votes removed.
Look, we dealt with this Heisman Trophy vote for all these years, too, and then finally recently somehow all the complaints were taken to heart and now the right guys are winning it. How did we do that ? By complaining. Still, the vote happens BEFORE the BCS National Championship 2-Team Play-Off Title Game. That cannot be. Wait a couple weeks. The Bowl Season is not gratuitous, it is the culmination and proof of the season. Manti Te’o is a perfect example of this Notre Dame. Did he deserve the Heisman Trophy now I ask, or Johnny Football ?
Barry Bonds and Rogers Clemens have no business in the Hall of anything, except the Hall of Shame. To have a competitive advantage, they lied, and they took PED.
NUMBERS
Numbers get you in the Hall of Fame in any sport, and Dale Murphy doesn’t have them. And, I think you know that. I know he knows it from his comments here again today. And, he dropped off the face of the earth after his playing days. Hank Aaron has more to say FOR the game even now than Dale Murphy ever did. Get on TV. Announce some games as a color-analyst. Coach something. Do something. No. I went to more of the Dale Murphy games than anyone. Anyone who went to those games, saw me there and remembers me. He had a couple great seasons. He could have been Hall of Fame. The game took its toll on Dale Murphy, and gentleman Hank Aaron well he kept putting up the numbers and during his retirement, has had several out-spoken comments about the game which kept him relevant long-after his playing days. Hank Aaron was always HOF from day 1.
You look at the Atlanta Braves and none of the current players have any hope of ever making the HOF. We let the other teams have the top stars, while we sit on the sidelines and steadfastly maintain we don’t have the money to pay them to have them here.
John Smoltz ? Yes, he’s in 1st ballot and everyone knows why Mr. Clutch. Great hitter. Starter and then surgery and closer.
Tom Glavine ? This is a yes or no, pass or fail, not a 51 %. If it were give me a percentage, I’d put 51 % on it. Not so much a great pitcher, oh wait, he comes a…change-up. Was a good hitter, not so much a fielder. I liked him. 51 %.
Chipper Jones ? I’d give him much higher than Tom Glavine.
Greg Maddux. Yes. Golden Glove. Could hit a spot until the cows came home. World Series Champ.
Phil Niekro. I’ve known Phil Niekro and his family for a long time. Yes. He was a great fielder and a great hitter, and I liked Phil Niekro. Those were great games to go watch here. Golden Glove.
Eddie Matthews I did not get to see that much of at the end of his career here and didn’t follow Milwaukee. He, played with Boston Braves also, and yes. Detroit Tigers World Series 1968 I did follow Detroit those years and went there to those games, that Championship along with the Milwaukee Braves 1957 World Series Title – he was always in in my mind for those 2 Titles.
Warren Spawn never played baseball for the Atlanta Braves. He played for Boston Braves and was the Ace of the World Series Winners Milwaukee Braves, Spawn Sain and a Day of Rain. So, yes. Not Atlanta Braves though.
Who do we have like these guys ? We have a Starter who is great, and our Atlanta Braves did not even Start him in our loss knocking-us out of the Play-Offs 2012. I said that was a problem before the 1-game to end the season. I am saying I told you so, again, now.
Thank you for your votes Jeff A. Schultz. You did us proud.
allball
January 10th, 2013
12:42 am
most players today are juiced up—records don’t matter anymore with all these steroid aided home runs. Shut down the hall of fame.
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
12:55 am
Yes, we shut it down this year – thanks to Jeff A. Schultz.
Who else at the AJ-C has a vote in the Baseball Hall of Fame ?
Despite the Party Line, of course, the AJ-C is wrong-headed about a Writer earning the Right to have a Vote in all these sports we have in Atlanta and cover in Atlanta. If someone has a chance to represent the AJ-C in his sport and is recognized for that, by all means that Writer should vote. No one has ever questioned that the intention of an AJ-C Writer covering his sport took a hamburger to say something nice, or vote up a player.
AJ-C, in time, must change this policy. Readers of a newspaper deserve and expect that that paper DOES MAKE THE NEWS.
You decide what to say and when.
Take the BCS National Championship Game. I am sorry, but here Jeff A. Schultz dropped the ball. All season long, every week, Jeff A. Schultz wrote articles about the collegiate football season and who would win and the background details which were important.
Then, we have the Title Game and
NO BLOG.
We have to have our local Writers, who earn that Right, to VOTE in ALL THESE, not just some Baseball HOF. The AP Poll is the Most Respected College Football Poll, and always has been. The Writers themselves, and ESPN, and talk-heads, and call-in shows, and Blogs, and other TV and Radio personalities DO MAKE THE NEWS.
You don’t just report on it. By the very nature of your Profession you
SHAPE
the sports’ world.
You owe it to us to explain this to the AJ-C.
I would.
Daily.
I do often.
I did again now.
Surfer Joe
January 10th, 2013
1:30 am
All eight indicted members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox were “exonerated in legal proceedings”.
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
4:40 am
And, none of these guys ever did PED. Look, they were all doing it. It wasn’t their fault. It was Major League Baseball’s Fault. The Player’s Association kept it going on even longer. It’s wrong. Their NUMBERS skewed all of baseball stats historically, forever. How do you feel about how you watched Mark McGwire and what he did, knowing what you know now about him and about the Union ? They could have and should have banned those substances, and they should have tested for those substances.
I want no part of those in the Baseball Hall of Fame, nor Pete Rose.
I was duped by Major League Baseball, and their Union. Just imagine not banning those substances, and even worse, just imagine not releasing the list of those who tested positive for PED and all the others who used Clear or others they thought were undetectable PED.
In all sports, taking advantage of an unfair advantage against others, is clearly immoral, as is posting a post which says one acronym ending in “A” then reprinting it once it is removed and leaving the “A” out instead arguing that (1) you never said “A” in the 8:22 am post Monday and (2) arguing that a common phrase unable to obtain any GOOGLE search other than kiss my b… is instead butt when the post at 8:22 am Monday ended in A, thus making the end of the 5-word posted acronym redundant 2-words at the end.
EVERYONE knows anyway.
JSS
January 10th, 2013
5:50 am
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Get your morning idiocy, the saga continues…
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
5:54 am
JSS January 8th, 2013 2:32 pm
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“I just don’t care which of the 32 teams wins ultimately.”
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JSS
January 10th, 2013
6:29 am
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There’s a wanker posting…
Mulk
January 10th, 2013
6:32 am
Because they are not in, Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe are WAY more famous than most of the people in the hall. If a person wanted to be remembered forever, then cheat or gamble. You will be brought up every year when discussing inclusion. 3,000 hits, 300 wins, 500 homeruns and you are in IF those people that should be protecting the integrity (steroids, juiced baseballs, ballpark dimensions) of the game are doing their job. Baseball writers, including Schultz) can VOTE on the rest.
JSS
January 10th, 2013
6:50 am
@ Mulk…
Since you brought up Joe Jackson, two questions… Do you think since the Centennial of the1920 banishment is coming up, do you think pressure can be brought to bare on on Selig to revisit the issue of the “lifetime ban?” Life is over for Jackson, death should enough to satisfy even the heartless…
Oh, do “you” think Ichiro gets in the Hall eventually?
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
6:53 am
Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson, I would say are famous as you put it because they are not in the Hall of Fame. Shoeless dealt with his lost but remembered admission, recanted after the admission; and Pete Rose deals with his admission. We don’t have to discuss because they did admit.
Both.
That is a bigger blot on them than the PED, in my mind, because PED were not banned and not tested for a long time with insistence by the Union. I remain steadfast that PED not be in the Baseball Hall of Fame, and agree with Jeff A. Schultz and the Majority on that.
Not the majority matters to one at least, who prefers a dictatorship of everything be about him and why he posts every few minutes forever, yet states he frankly doesn’t give a hoot who wins.
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Why post if you don’t care ?
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Why every word out of his hidden behind keyboard, lying saying said “KMBB” when it had an “A” at the end ?
Why every word out of his hidden behind keyboard, lying saying he
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“just don’t care”
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when he obviously does care quite a bit, obsessed telling us nothing but how the Falcons’ are a bad football team all 2012, every post.
That’s not interpreting; it’s what he says every post, bar none.
Blogacide or the equivalent in your Profession, as PED baseball players, or gambling sports’ heroes, remains the same.
Anyway, if he didn’t care and thinks so poorly of the Falcons, just ask him to name the score against Seattle.
Can’t hide behind his keyboard and give you a score.
Sure he cares.
Pete Rose cares.
Shoeless Joe Jackson cared.
JSS cares.
Barry Bonds cares.
They are all alike. They all committed blogacide or the equivalent in their profession, which in JSS’s case is one and the same – ALL CAUGHT.
JSS
January 10th, 2013
7:01 am
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@ Jeff Schultz…
Told ya!
Thomas Brown
January 10th, 2013
7:34 am
See ?
Larry
January 10th, 2013
7:45 am
So, the “system” prevented the election of several cheaters and the “system” failed?
The “system” worked just fine, it seems.
wardenerd
January 10th, 2013
8:03 am
The LPGA has the best plan. They have a performance rquirement. Make the requirement your in. Don’t make it you are not in. It involves winning majors winning regular events leading the LPGA in scoring for so many years etc. How about this. Win 280 games or win more than one MVP award or 5 gold gloves or 5 silver slugger awards.or a combination of gold gloves and silver sluggers. 3 Cy Youngs, You could award points for certin levels of success and establish a minimum nimber of points to get in. It would be fairer than the current popularity contest that keeps Bigeo out and puts Tony Perez and Don Drysdale in.
Larry
January 10th, 2013
8:03 am
“Light skinned to Caucasians Latins were not generally the best players in the region…”
Jeff Schultz,
Shame on you for enabling this angry, resentful, people dividing, self absorbed, self centered racist to spread his hate and morbid agenda. Shame on you, sir, for sitting idle when for much, much less you have chastised, warned or banned your customers and patrons.
Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
JSS
January 10th, 2013
8:18 am
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Morning stone caster, don’t let that lay around too long… “Dumbing down” reality doesn’t change it, or does it?
HardHat
January 10th, 2013
8:27 am
I really think people who are 1st on the blog should say so in this case too.
Now I haven’t looked at all the posts so I hope I am not repeating but Dave Kingman would of had the magic number 500 HRs to get into the HOF had he not been blackballed by the owners. Then what would the HOF done if King Kong Kingman had the 500 HRs? A decent fielder with an average arm but a mountain of Ks quite a choice there.
I heard one of those talk show folks Kincade and he was taking about cheating and steriods is they all miss the point there are ways to handle a corked bat or a greasy pitch. The rule book has these already in place. But nothing for overturning records made by the juicers. Strip the records now and they will have no stats for any arguement for entry !
Just look at that Brewer MVP because someone mailed something wrong he gets to be a cheating MVP. My oh my no wonder we have the DUI deaths because someone gets off on a technicality on drunk driving they do it again and someone dies. Great world we live in.
JSS
January 10th, 2013
8:31 am
There is a very old saying in Mexico and parts of Central America…
“El hombre en la negación de lo que está delante de él es el hombre que tenga cuidado.”
“The man in denial of what is before him is the man to beware!”