Upsetting Georgia would give Tech needed boost for future

If a frog had pockets he would carry pistols and shoot snakes.

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Interesting reading posts that the majority of GT’s students are either foreign or from Northern states.
Must be that new math I have heard about because 60% of the freshman class went to high school in Georgia.

http://www.coe.gatech.edu/content/georgia-techs-incoming-freshman-profile

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Well, if you look at the national enrollment figures, you see that Georgie tek has 31 percent Asian and 30 percent women.

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Paul in NH: No disrespect, but it’s the same way you do. Plus, I heard their after-GT plans, which, usually, involved plying their trade in the mother country.

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Please let this game be over. Tech has nothing to lose. They are a wounded animal backed into a corner. Any other cliche you can think of. It’s Georgia’s season on the line. Lose and all your BCS dreams fall apart. Georgia has everything to lose and nothing to gain. I hope we win even if by one point and come out healthy for Bama. Go Dawgs, GATA.

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Made it home, safe and sound. Blogs no worse for wear, but my sister in law is very drunk tonight. We had a good time and got out alive…

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Assume the position bugs.

Dawgs win by 14+

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For the life of me, I can’t figure out what is wrong. Paul Johnson is a genius. Ask him, ask anybody, they’ll tell you.

But give me a little latitude, a UGA whipping followed by a FSU whipping followed by a lower tier bowl whipping, what are you left with?

6 – 8? Yep, think so. The ACC is such a joke.

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Sorry for the mistake. I meant to say good luck to UGA in the SECCG. and good luck to the Jackets in the ACCCG.

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dewberry November 24th, 2012 1:33 am

“Paul got us a title and bout to get nother…greg=thomas brown…duffass”
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Uh, no. Sorry, dewberry. He did NOT.

2009, you may recall, Paul Johnson had football players on Paul Johnson’s team who were given cash and clothing items by boosters. Paul Johnson knew about it. Dan Radakovich, your Athletic Director at the time, told Paul Johnson about the illegal benefits of Paul Johnson’s players. Paul Johnson, then, coached the players involved as to what they should tell the NCAA. When the NCAA found about it, when they interviewed the players on the topic, the NCAA found that the players indeed did receive illegal benefits under NCAA rules, and that Dan Radakovich told Paul Johnson about the investigation, despite being told specifically to discuss it with no one other than Bud Peterson. Paul Johnson has been NCAA head coach for 15 years. He knew he could not discuss an on-going NCAA Major Infractions’ Investigation with the players involved. He knew he could not coach them on what to say and what not to say to the NCAA, in a COVER-UP. He did. It got Georgie tek BACK on NCAA PROBATION back-to-back in football, repeat offenders of the Major Infractions’ Database.

Paul Johnson’s knew with 15 his years’ NCAA head coaching experience, that he could not play the 3 players in question 11/28/2009 against UGA. He played them anyway. Had you won the game, you would have had to VACATE the win, and print nothing in print which says that you won the game. Unfortunately for Paul Johnson, Georgie tek LOST the game to UGA giving up 30 points, while scoring only 3 TD and a field goal. Georgie tek had already LOST to Miami of Florida. The same day Georgie tek got beat by UGA which dropped Georgie tek to finishing # 13 in the AP Poll 2009, South Carolina beat the Clempsum Farmers, sending you both to the ACC CHUMPionship Game as LOSERS to The SEC. Both will lose to The Mighty SEC today.

So, Georgie tek had a game, then against 5-Loss Clempsum Farmers 2009, for the ACC CHUMPionship game, both backing into the game, licking their collective wounds from The Mighty SEC stinging. The ACC CHUMPionship game was VACATED by the NCAA. Georgie tek argued, not that the Major Infractions’ Violations did not occur, but that the punishment was too harsh. Your players at the time, said the NCAA could pry their CHUMPionship rings from their cold dead hands. The NCAA did just that. The Win is VACATED. No ACC CHUMPionship Title 2009.

Paul Johnson, then, just as he has done every other season at Georgie tek, LOST his bowl game, scoring only 14 points.

The UGA game, the Clempsum Farmers’ game, and the Bowl Game all would have to be FORFEITED. Any wins in 3 said games MUST BE VACATED the ruling body of the NCAA ruled and affirmed on Georgie tek’s defiant appeal. Any wins, playing ineligible players whom Georgie tek KNEW including Paul Johnson specifically were ineligible players, against UGA, against Clempsum Farmers’ and against the bowl game opponent, are

VACATED.

The ACC CHUMPionship 2009 is VACATED.

Georgie tek cannot and had to REMOVE all discussion of any wins in the 3 said games playing ineligible players who received impermissible extra benefits from boosters in 2009, from all the media print, WebPages, and Media Guides, per the NCAA.

March 9, 2012, the NCAA ruled that all mention of the 3 games, other than read VACATE if Georgie tek won, and if Georgie tek LOST then those MUST REMAIN. Any CHUMPionship as a result of those 3 games, MUST ALSO BE VACATED.

Georgie tek had the week off that week, the week before the UGA game 2009. Instead of preparing for the UGA game with the eligible players, Georgie tek knew it did have that off-week before the UGA game, Paul Johnson was wasting his time coaching the said players in the investigation on what they were supposed to say and what they were not supposed to say when the NCAA investigators got there that Wednesday the off-week before the UGA game, when Paul Johnson, instead was supposed to be preparing for the UGA game.

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March 9, 2012 the NCAA said :
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“Georgia Institute of Technology committed violations of NCAA bylaws governing preferential treatment; failure to cooperate and failure to meet conditions and obligation of membership in football. On November 16, 2009, the institution failed to protect the integrity of the investigation and violated the cooperative principle when, contrary to specific instructions from the NCAA enforcement staff, institution staff members spoke to student-athlete 2 and told him the issues and related matters that would be the subject of his upcoming November
18, 2009, interview with the NCAA.

In 3 games late in 2009, the institution failed to meet the conditions and obligations of membership in that the institution did not withhold student-athlete 1 from competition when the institution was made aware of information which raised serious questions about whether
he was involved in violations of NCAA legislation and thus should have been declared ineligible.”

“The institution has prohibited two former football student-athletes, one of whom was “the agency employee,” from using any athletics department facilities and receiving complimentary tickets. This action was effective for an indefinite period of time beginning on November 19, 2009.”

“The Committee on Infractions found that this case involved several major violations of NCAA
legislation involving Georgia Tech’s two flagship sports; football and men’s basketball. The committee also took into account the fact that the institution is considered a repeat violator in accordance with Bylaw 19.5.3.”

“Fortunately, instances in which member institutions do not cooperate with the NCAA enforcement program are rare. Regrettably, in this case, Georgia Tech officials disobeyed explicit instructions from the enforcement staff to protect the integrity of the investigation. The institution compromised the investigation when it shared with a student-athlete (student-athlete 2) information relating to potential violations about which he was to be questioned by the enforcement staff in a future interview (Finding B-2). The institution later compounded the problem by allowing a student-athlete to compete despite the fact that his eligibility was in question (Finding B-3). As a result of these extremely serious violations, stringent penalties are warranted, including a lengthy period of probation, a substantial fine and a vacation of records. In imposing a fine, the committee considered the serious nature of the violations, the institutional responsibility for those violations, and the impact of the fine on the institution.”

“1. Public reprimand and censure.

2. Four years of probation from July 14, 2011, through July 13, 2015.

3. A financial penalty in the amount of $100,000.

7. As set forth in Finding B-3, on November 24 and December 2, 2009, the institution was advised by the enforcement staff that both student-athletes 1 and 2 may have jeopardized their eligibility. The institution subsequently allowed the two student-athletes to compete in the final three contests of its football team’s 2009-10 season. As previously established, the committee could not find violations associated with student-athlete 2, as the institution’s actions in alerting him of information about which he would be questioned by the enforcement staff hindered the investigation and, in the end, prevented the committee from making conclusions regarding his culpability in violations and subsequent eligibility status. Nevertheless, the institution should have withheld student-athlete 1 from
competition until such time as his eligibility status could be resolved. As a result, and pursuant to NCAA Bylaws 19.5.2.2-(e)-(2) and 31.2.2.3-(b),

the institution will vacate all contests won by the institution’s football team after November 24, 2009, the day that it was alerted by the NCAA that student-athletes 1’s eligibility was in question, and ending with the institution’s bowl game, which concluded the 2009 season. [Note: The only contest won by the institution's football team during this time period was the 2009 ACC championship game.]

The individual record of student-athlete 1 during this time frame shall be vacated as well.

Further, the institution’s records regarding football, as well as the record of the head football coach, will reflect the vacated records and will be recorded in all publications in which football records for the 2009 season are reported, including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting
material, electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives.

Any institution, which may subsequently hire the head football coach, shall similarly reflect the vacated wins in his career records documented in media guides and other publications cited above. The head football coach may not count the vacated win to attain specific honors or victory
“milestones” such as 100th, or 200th career victories.

Any public references to the vacated 2009 ACC football championship shall be removed, including from athletics department stationery, banners, trophies and awards displayed in public areas and any other form in which they may appear.

Finally, to ensure that all institutional and student-athlete vacations, statistics and records are accurately reflected in official NCAA publications and archives, the sports information director (or other designee as assigned by the director of athletics) must contact the NCAA director of statistics, to identify the specific student-athlete(s) and contest(s) impacted by the penalties. In addition, the institution must provide the NCAA statistics department a written report, detailing those discussions with the director of statistics. This document will be maintained in the permanent files of the statistics department. This written report must be delivered to the NCAA statistics department no later than
forty-five (45) days.

8. The director of athletics, the head football coach, the compliance director and the academic advisor shall attend an NCAA Regional Rules Seminar.

The Institution must file with the office of the Committees on Infractions annual compliance reports indicating the progress made with this program by April 15 of each year during the probationary period. Particular emphasis should be placed on policies and procedures relating to agents and agent activity in addition to policies and procedures pertaining to the withholding of student-athletes from competition when potential violations are discovered.

The basis of the Committee on Infractions finding of violation of Bylaw 32.1.4 lies in the instructions given by the enforcement staff to the institution’s director of compliance. In order to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation into this matter, the director of compliance was instructed that information concerning this matter could only be shared with the institution’s president and director of athletics. It appears the director of compliance did follow these instructions and, in fact, relayed these instructions to both the president and the director of athletics. However, the director of athletics did not follow these instructions and discussed the matter with the institution’s head football coach, who in turn shared information with one of the student-athletes who was a subject of this investigation and was scheduled to be interviewed.

The director of athletics’ action of informing the head football coach was in direct violation of the
restriction imposed by the NCAA staff. If the director of athletics felt it was important to inform the head football coach, he could have discussed this matter with the enforcement staff and his own institution president before willingly violating the instruction of the enforcement staff. In addition, it must be recognized that the director of athletics’ failure to comply with these instructions actually resulted in the head football coach having a discussion with one of the student-athletes who was subject of this investigation and was scheduled to be interviewed by the enforcement staff.

The enforcement staff was perfectly clear on who could be brought into the fold at the institution – the president and the director of athletics. The director of athletics had every opportunity to consult with the NCAA staff and check to see if this situation was similar or different than the prior one. Cooperation is not conditional.

The president of the institution was very clear by informing this committee that the decision to not declare the student-athlete ineligible was his and his alone. The evidence in this case suggests that members of the institution’s administration did not convey all of the necessary information about this situation to the president so that he could make an informed decision. The general counsel and other members of the institution’s team could have and should have been more thorough in briefing and informing the president about the issues surrounding this incident. While we cannot say that the failure to inform was done for the purpose of having the student-athlete play in one or more games, it is clear to us that there was a key failure to inform the president of important facts of this situation. That failure put the president in a position of making a decision of eligibility without all of the significant facts pertinent to this case and the student-athlete’s eligibility.

The standards for membership in the NCAA are many and to suggest that a member has failed to meet those standards, conditions and obligations is a serious matter. Based on the record and the testimony of the president of the institution, we believe he agrees and feels the same way. This is a case of a president who for lack of evidence to the contrary, relied on the advice and counsel of the individuals who knew or should have known the relevant rules. The Infractions Appeals Committee recognizing the authority of the Committee on Infractions, finds that the Committee on Infractions finding of failure to meet the conditions and obligations of membership is not contrary to the evidence
presented to the committee and does constitute a violation of the Association’s rules.

The institution suggests that in the present case the Committee on Infractions imposed a penalty of vacating is wrong. The Committee on Infractions counters that, serious intentional violation and
direct involvement of a coach or high-ranking administrator, were in fact present. In addition, the Committee on Infractions suggests that the aggravating issue of the institution being less than cooperative should and could weigh in the vacating penalty.”
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Ga blows out ga tech–johnson gets big raise and extension for making the ACC “championship” game! Book it!

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Fish Fryer November 24th, 2012 5:59 am

‘CPJ, It’s not that the excitement has wore off because YOU have been here a while. Last year Tech players said that UGA were more “up” for the game and wanted it more. That is a reflection of bad coaching when the players can’t get their emotions ‘up’ for an in-state rival game. And I assure you CPJ, as a Tech fan, there is no bigger fish to fry than UGA. The reason the student seats are empty is that 80 percent of the student body is made up of people named Baboo, Hahgee and Tye Wong Woo and they don’t give a rat’s behind about football and the rest are afraid to walk across the campus for fear of being either raped robbed or beaten by some thug.”
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Exactly, the excitement has worn off because :

Paul Johnson is 6-5 while Mark Richt is 10-1
Paul Johnson put Georgie tek on NCAA Probation 2012
Paul Johnson 45 % Federal Graduation Rate 2011-2012 Football
Paul Johnson has LOST EVERY bowl game at Georgie tek
Paul Johnson has not won a Major Bowl Game
Paul Johnson can’t get anyone to attend any game even UGA
Lost to middle tn college who the next week lost to La Monroe
Lost to 5-6 Virginia Tech
Lost to 6-5 Miami of Florida
Lost to Clempsum Farmers who’ve not beat team any top 25 poll
Lost to 6-5 Brigham Young University
Played 1 team on any top 25 list – who has not beat any top 25
Paul Johnson not won any ACC CHUMPionship
# 115 Passing Offense Georgie tek
# 76 Scoring Defense Georgie tek
# 86 Passing Defense Georgie tek facing Record-Setting Aaron Murray
Georgie tek Linebacker Arrested in Athens partying
Paul Johnson is 6-5 unranked while UGA is 10-1 and ranked # 3
62 % Win Percentage Paul Johnson at Georgie tek 75 % Mark Richt
# 52 Recruiting Class every year Paul Johnson # 7 Mark Richt

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Most Dangerous Colleges In America Nov. 20, 2012, 10:01 AM:
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#11 Georgia Institute of Technology

Student population: 20,720

Violent crimes per year: 15

Property crimes per year: 592

2011 was a particularly violent year, with four forcible rapes, 11 robberies, and five aggravated assaults.

We averaged FBI crime data per capita from 2008 to 2011 for schools with enrollment over 10,000. Schools were ranked based on a combination of the violent crime rank and property crime rank (weighted 4:1). Violent crimes include murder/nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Property crimes include burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft, and arson.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-colleges-in-america-2012-11?op=1#ixzz2D8n1e8dP

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Thomas Brown….what do your posts have to do with the game today….you are an idiot!!!

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@heeldawg 7:35pm
You wrote a great and very factual post regarding GT’s claim to intellectual superiority…what a joke!!!! If their football players have an average SAT score 315 points below the student body then at least 70-80% have to be “special admits”, but the Techie’s continue to deny that fact….and it is a FACT!!! Go DAWGS!!!

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Who cares???? GT is the better school….THWG piss on em!!!!

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Ugas fan base is 5 x the size of gt. So shouldn’t they have a stadium 5 x gts size since many of u retards
Wanna play this idiot stadium crap.
Gt has a chance bc its a rival and the offense. And murray is due for a bad game again like in fla.
I think pj will have a few bag of tricks to show and surprise.
Calling an upset of the ages. Gt 38 ga 36

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Georgia Tech has the nation’s highest average SAT score for football players, and also the highest average high school GPA.

UGA, on the other hand, has one of the very lowest SAT averages, as well as a very low GPA average. As a result, 88% of UGA players are “special admits,” when means that they can not meet the minimum educational and intelligence requirements for admission to UGA, even as low as that is. As a practical matter, most UGA players are functionally illiterate and will spend their lives on welfare or pushing a mop at a business that took pity on them and gave them a menial job.

Yes, it would be great if Tech was more competitive with UGA, but Tech fans are proud of our heritage of having intelligent, responsible athletes who go on to rewarding careers and contribute to society.

Contrast this with the very unintelligent dummies that UGA recruits. The 53 arrests over the last four years is proof enough, not to mention winning the Fulmer Cup. Most of these goons are tossed out after their eligibility is over, and many end up on welfare.

UGA is clearly just a football factory dedicated to winning at all costs, and most UGA fans are okay with this, with no concern about the embarrassment this brings to the State of Georgia.

Mark Richt is the architect of this situation. As long as he is paid a huge salary, he will continue to recruit the illiterate brain-dead thugs who he thinks will win. Unfortunately for UGA fans, he’s not remotely in the same league with the top coaches in the SEC.

So the bottom line is that Georgia Tech – win or lose – does so with honor and integrity, while the lowlife punks, woman beaters, drug users, and drunks in Athens continue to embarrass us all.

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And to all the GT slugs who use “fan abuse” as a reason to avoid UGA games….that is total BS!!! There are obnoxious fans at every school and every game. many of those bozos are not even grads of the school they are pulling for. Over the past 45 years I have had 3 run-ins with GT fans, but I could make it sound like a daily event if I wanted to stretch the truth. The last one was about 5-6 years ago at Sanford Stadium and I had to calm down a drunk GT fan when he was taunting an elderly couple. I’m certain this GT fan is not reflective of all GT alums, but my point is that EVERY fan base has it’s idiots….even GT. So please don’t try to make the UGa fans all look like terrorists and Athens as a dangerous place to attend a game. P.S. In addition to the 3 harassing GT fans I have had 2 confrontations with panhandlers/criminals within blocks of Grant Field….something that has never happened to me in Athens. Let’s all go to the game today and have fun!!!!

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Hey, Thomas Brown, listen up, you jerk:

At Tech, the thugs live around the campus.

At UGA, the thugs live on the campus.

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@all saints
Yes indeed, St. Jan exposed UGa and the rest of the teams in the NCAA….even GT. YOu may not remember the whole story, but UGa was not accused of any rules violations, etc….just accepting bozos and giving preferential treatment (remedial studies). By the way, one of those bozos flunked out of UGa (he was admitted with a 540 SAT back when the lowest score possible was a 400). The interesting part of the story is he sat out a year and then attended, played and graduated from Georgia Tech. That is an absolute FACT!!! Again, I agree and I’m thankful that St. Jan rescued UGa, GT and the rest of the teams from the football factory mentality!!!

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Morning dogs

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Schultz, dogs and tech,

Let’s have a vote. Shall we or shall we not limit tom brown to 140 characters per post. Shall we “twitterize” tom brown?

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@fancydoggie…

Has any Bammer player gotten a Wonderlic score above 20? The highest I’ve seen from a Bammer was Julio Jones’ 14!

Sport Greg McElroy has the 2nd highest score other than the player from Harvard which is higher than the combined group of UGA players from last year. On Julio….Jones has made more money in these last two years than you and your entire family will make in your lifetime! Take it up with JULIO while you get him tea or coffee.

The Gruden to UT is much closer than thought. A smoke screen of denial is being sent so they can delay the deal until the week of the SECCG. UT trying to steal the moment from UGA and somebody (hope Bama). 10 years at 50 mill. UT has no choice but to get it right this time just like Bama did with Nick. If they fail again then UT will become another GT. without the smarts. Just saying,

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As A lifelong Jackets fan, here’s hoping that Georgia wins by 50…and that my faith in this GT athletic program hasn’t fallen to such depths of self-hate and loathing that it has the sheer base pride to put an end to this era of an abject joke of a GT head football coach.

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