Gonzalez knows if Braves fizzle, he’ll be one to catch heat

Fredi Gonzalez knows criticism goes with the job, whether it's justified or not. (Hyosub Shin/AJC

Fredi Gonzalez knows criticism goes with his job, whether it's justified or not. (Hyosub Shin/AJC

(UPDATED: 11 p.m.)

One refreshing thing about Fredi Gonzalez, unlike so many in his position, is that he’s not going to try to project himself as someone who has all the answers.

He’ll listen to criticism. He’ll seek feedback from his Yoda-like predecessor, Bobby Cox. He’ll talk to former managers who are now long into retirement, and even managers on other teams. If ultimately Gonzalez fails as manager of the Braves, it won’t be because of ego, arrogance or obstinance.

“I talk to other managers all the time, people I respect,” Gonzalez said Friday. “Why not? I talk to them about dealing with different situations, dealing with crisis. But the bottom line, what most of them say, is you just have to be yourself. You have to be honest with players. You’re going to make decisions that are going to be second-guessed. That goes with the territory. But at the end of the day, you can’t tell yourself, ‘Oh, I should’ve done this or that,’ even though there are always situations when you’re going to feel like that.”

We can’t be certain what Gonzalez was feeling late Thursday night, except to assume it wasn’t good. As the calendar turns to September, the Braves are sliding again. We know what happened last time they were here. Several decades from now, when Turner Field is gone, people likely will pass by the former stadium site and hear horrifying screams, as if it’s some haunted former battlefield or asylum.

Here are details of the latest bad ending: With the Braves leading 5-4, closer Craig Kimbrel allowed a game-tying homer to Erik Kratz in the ninth and Cristhian Martinez gave up a three-run bomb to John Mayberry in the 10th. The 8-5 loss to Philadelphia, which opened a homestand, buried the Braves another foot in the National League East (they’re now 6½ games behind Washington). The bigger concern is that they’ve now dropped nine of their last 13.

Chipper Jones knocked over Phillies catcher Erik Kratz but was thrown out at the plate in the fourth inning. (AP photo)

Chipper Jones knocked over Phillies catcher Erik Kratz but was thrown out at the plate in the fourth inning. (AP photo)

Gonzalez took a lot of heat for the team’s 10-20 slide last season. The criticism wasn’t because of one back-fired decision in particular, but merely because he was the guy in charge when the team caved in like a sinkhole. He tried to stop it. He called meetings. He benched guys. He changed the lineup, the batting order, the color of his socks. If he overused the bullpen, it’s only because the Braves’ starting rotation had imploded. It’s not like he had a lot of options.

But the Braves went down on his watch, so it was on him.

If they go down again, it will be on Gonzalez again. The only difference this time would be that he would be left with less certainty about his future. Ownership would be criticized because, well, has anybody ever actually met a Liberty Media executive? General manager Frank Wren will be criticized because he was content to come back this season with largely the same team this season.

But owners don’t get fired and Wren is afforded more of a platform to convince decision makers that he handed Gonzalez a playoff roster despite budget constraints (albeit, constraints created in part by Wren’s decisions to give big deals to Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami and Dan Uggla). So really, this home stretch is on Gonzalez.

“I took heat last year, but that’s OK,” Gonzalez said. “You have the bulls-eye on you when you’re the manager or you have the head coach’s title.”

The Braves aren’t a bad team. They’re just not great, or currently stable. It’s only natural when there’s a losing streak and fans hear thunder that they’re going to look up and wonder, “Oh no. Not again.”

Gonzalez said before the season that he had gone over last year’s demise a zillion times in his head. When asked what he would do differently in a similar situation, he said he wasn’t sure but he’d try anything. He didn’t offer any more insight Friday.

“You have to be patient,” he said. “You can move guys down in the lineup, give them a day off. But in the end they’re your guys. Every move you make, if it works people say, ‘Great job, Fredi.’ If it doesn’t work, it’s, ‘Fredi created a panic situation.’ At the end of the day, you can’t have regrets.

“We chose this profession. I was watching Jon Gruden interviewed on HBO, and I think his dad was quoted in his book saying, ‘Jon, if you don’t change your ways, this job is going to kill you.’ They asked Gruden about that and his eyes started watering. That’s the stuff that we take home every day.”

What Gonzalez has been taking home of late can’t be good — and his team is not giving any indication that’s going to change.

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177 comments Add your comment

PMC

September 1st, 2012
9:18 am

This team isn’t going to collapse this year anyway. They are loads more consistent than last year, the pitchers in the pen are healthy, Freddie, Chipper, Heyward and Prado are healthy and productive, the defense is loads better especially at short stop. They have employed an outfield this year. It’s just a much better baseball team than it was last season. They are less mercurial (while still managing to be on again off again on a nightly basis)

This team isn’t coming up short, and baseball managers just don’t have THAT much effect on games, even in the national league. Whether a guy produces or not is generally up to the player.

LaBrenda Chenile Watson

September 1st, 2012
9:26 am

PMC is right. Where else could Uggla play every night and only the fans complain? If the NY press could have a shot here they’d be talking pornn stars and popeye and not in flattering terms. And while eveybody is kissing Chipper Jone on the lips they should remember he gets fever blisters and never comes up big when he’s needed. In SW Atlanta we play some serious softball and we would not allow somebody to criticize her teammates like Chipper Jone does while going 0-3 with strikeouts and leaving men on base and not scoring from second and just generally having a low IQ and bad breath. That’s what I think and I welcome your input.

RBI

September 1st, 2012
9:34 am

I will have a greater appreciation and respect for this team one Fredi Gonzalez is GONE!

Dawg Whisperer

September 1st, 2012
9:50 am

Exact-a-mundo, Jeff. Once may be an aberration, twice sugggests a pattern. Good managers find a way to win in crunch time. See LaRusso.

Ted M

September 1st, 2012
10:00 am

All Fredi has to say or admit about last year is “i shouldn’t have pitched Lowe down the stretch”

He did have options for that.

Nurse Ratched [aka Randal Patrick McMurphy]

September 1st, 2012
10:43 am

The guy is an absolute JOKE regarding his *cough* profession *cough*. The proof-positive will be WHEN (not IF) this Baseball Stooge gets canned, watch how fast he DOESN’T get another opportunity to manage in the Big Leagues, let alone secure a coaching position. If this guy was anymore of a Lame Duck, his feathers would be yanked and he’d immediately be basted with Bing Cherry Sauce. The Apologists & Sympathizers won’t ever admit it, but there ya go – it is what it is, Folks. What you see is what you get… |-)

The Collapse Redux – 2012 continues unfettered…

Billy

September 1st, 2012
10:54 am

AJC new web-page sucks big time..

Light-Hitters

September 1st, 2012
11:03 am

Don’t the Brave’s have enough light-hitting players?I guess we can add Baker to the mix of Uggla,McCann,Janish,Pastornicky and Hinske.It might be time to have McCann talk to his father again or in a few months let him walk as Ross has been better than McCann has and maybe Betancourt will be recovered and ready to play next year!Good move to get Jack-Off THE TEAM……NEXT ARE UGGLA,McCann and Hinske!

Ted M right on!

September 1st, 2012
11:06 am

Ted M. was right on the money about Gonzalez last year.What is he gonna say after this year?……..I shouldn’t have pitched Hanson and played Uggla and McCann less………….a day late and a $ short in my view!…………….Maybe Dusty Baker will be avaiable next year(according to Mlb Network)…..he won’t kiss anybody’s ass!

Players for 2013

September 1st, 2012
11:15 am

Brave’s 2013:
Freddie Freeman:1st
Martin Prado:2nd
Andrelton Simmons:SS
Juan Francisco:3rd
C. Bethancourt:catcher
Reed Johnson:Left
Jason Heyward:Center
Constanza:Right
Pitchers:Hudson,Medlen,Minor,Maholm and (Delgado,Teheran,or Gilmartin)
Relief Pitchers:Kimbrel,O’Flaherty,Venters,Durbin,Avilan,Gearrin

Fredi a Goner

September 1st, 2012
11:18 am

Move on over Fredi and let Dusty take over………….yeah you know what I’m talking about so get on with it baby!

Wren the Bird Brain

September 1st, 2012
11:22 am

Liberty should fire Wren and Gonzalez after this season.But I guess you get what you pay for and Liberty is paying for 2nd rate management so the Brave’s collapse is all but expected!

Coaching staff

September 1st, 2012
11:23 am

The Brave’s would be better off with Chipper Jones as their next manager!

Stinger2

September 1st, 2012
11:42 am

Braves team > Braves anti-fans who complain all the time. Some of these people sound like they want the team to lose so they can find something different each day to whine about.

count_schemula

September 1st, 2012
11:48 am

“Braves team > Braves anti-fans who complain all the time. Some of these people sound like they want the team to lose so they can find something different each day to whine about.”

1995 was a lot of pain ago. Cubs, Astros, Giants, Raul Mondesi, Garrett Anderson, the collapse.

Mister Frisky

September 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

Hey Schultze maybe you should re post your article about how you agreed with the stand pat idea for this year.Just like Hogans Heroes “You Know Nothing”.

all equal

September 1st, 2012
2:55 pm

YOU CAN BET THAT BOURNE DOES NOT HAVE 139 STRIKEOUTS WITH THE NATS NEXT YEAR
THANKS FOR NOTHING,U NEED TO SIT THE REST OF THE YEAR

Mister Frisky

September 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Chipper would be the WORST choice to succeed Fredo.A non clutch choking loser who is living off a JUICED up season 13 years ago.That redneck needs to go to his ranch a kill some defenseless animal like the big P that he is.

Mister Frisky

September 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

Who Cares is right,Soft team,soft coverage,especially DOB with those lame ass music selections everyday.Im sure Fredi can ride B&$ch on the back of OB’s moped wearing his ass less leather chaps.

Del

September 1st, 2012
7:57 pm

going, GOING, GONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Blow this team and its mgmt up and start over with fresh and younger faces. This “team” is going nowhere in a big hurry. Time to rebuild starting with a new GM, new mgr, new coaches, and new players. I would keep precious few of todays Braves team: namely Prado, Jayson, Freeman,our injured SS, our young pitchers. The rest I would trade for young farm talent from other clubs. IT’S TIME TO REBUILD. Enough of this sameoo, sameoo year after year. I”ve been a Braves fan for many years now, but for the first time I turned the game off after the early innings. It was just too painfull to watch. Thank goodness for football,

GO & BE GONE FREDI!

September 1st, 2012
9:31 pm

Fredi you are absolutely worthless…..leave…we don’t want you or need you in Atlanta!

fuzzmeister

September 2nd, 2012
9:26 am

Real nice to see all the Braves fans out in support of our team this morning. Hard to believe there’s this much hate for the Braves.

Chief Yikkity

September 2nd, 2012
11:03 am

No hate here. I saw this coming earlier this year….and said so many times on DOB’s blog (hence my banning.) The Kool-Aid drinkers ganged up on me and had me ousted.

We may win 80 games.

Arthur

September 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm

I believe Bobby Cox would have this team within 1 or two games of Washington. Possibly ahead. FG should be ready to take the heat, even though he doesn’t pitch , hit or catch. The Braves player are over paid and over feed with excuses from the announcers and the annalists. We need more hungry young players.

joey barber, Cameron N.C.

September 2nd, 2012
6:29 pm

Freddie is not the flippin problem here. ‘There seems to be a lack of heart and or genetalia in the recent years Braves’s teams. Heres a hint guys, there is still a month left in the season. Its not time to hang up the spikes and break out the hunting gear.The one thing about the teams of the late 90’s and early 00’s, THEY DIDNT QUIT WITH A MONTH LEFT. DAMN Someone on the medical staff needs to check em all for a heartbeat

Gonzalez Needs to BE FIRED!!!

September 2nd, 2012
6:35 pm

Fat Butted Fredi needs to be fired. He is the worst excuse for a human being in a major league manager’s uniform in the MLB. He needs to be fired, run out of the state and never let return.

Hate for the BRAVES??????

September 2nd, 2012
6:38 pm

It would suit me just fine – based on the team, its manager and its’ front office management – if some other city came along and made an offer to buy them and they went the way of the THRASHERS! I am tired of a losing attitude with this franchise…..gut the whole team and start over with somebody who really wants to play and win.