Braves, Wren whiff on Greinke — and this is getting old

Barf.

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whats really going on here? is this GM so incapable, or is he just the front for his liberty bosses, who control the cash?

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they are running this franchise into the ground

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Con sarn it if I were wrin I would trade for cole shamels cause I like the way he squeals like a pig when my brother/uncle plays the banjo.

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I hope we can laugh at this later next week after we sign Johnson or Grienke to a longterm deal. I`ve been spoiled by the Ted Turner money tree years but I can`t stand this level of ineptitude on the field and in the front office. Get anybody to buy this team and get Liberty Comm out of here!!!! I would trade Uggla, JJ, and either Delgado or Theran for Johnson on a longterm deal based on performance clauses. Now!!!!!

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Buck Belue says Dan Uggla tears it up in August. I will believe it when I see it. I think Uggla has already checked out this season. Pitiful. Have to tip your cap to Chipper for hanging in there, but it is not September yet. GO BRAVES!!!!

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Could somebody get Disney to buy the team?

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If we had a manager capable of leading this team to a World Series then I would be all for trading the farm for Greinke. As is, I don’t think it would be worth it

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No starting pitching move is necessary. They will still be bad either way. But I think it has been said multiple times to just send JJ back down or try to trade for a bullpen guy. Medlen can be the starter they need and he should be. Then you have Sheets, Hudson, Hanson, Medlen, and Minor. That’s a decent rotation for this team for the rest of the year. Bring Delgado up for the bullpen so he continues to get major league experience. I mean he is usually good for one to two innings at least so I think he would work well there. This way they don’t end up making a trade they would regret for a team that is NOT GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES. They are not even close. So continue to build for the future. Don’t do some dumb trade for a team that can’t win it all and is not even the best in the division. So we trade everything and get Greinke for two months. That accomplishes nothing. It does not change the fact that Fredi can’t manage and that Uggla cannot hit and that Chipper is hurting this team by not playing every day and just soaking up salary. Imagine no Chipper Jones and the money that we could be using for a player that could play every day. I know Chipper has some latitude for what he has done for the organization. But seriously, he should have taken a pay cut to stay on the roster since he is not going to be out there as an every day player or be on the DL.

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Mr. Schultz it seems that Wren is afraid to make a trade and the Braves really havent made an addition since the Uggla trade in December of 2010. The fact is the Braves need to trade for Grienke because of Tommy Hanson is not a number 2 starter and not really a number 4 either if you look at the numbers. In fact if you look at the numbers Randall Delgado has been the 3rd best starter this year behind Beechy and Hudson.

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You have to tip your cap to the Braves for not wanting to get embarrassed in a trade again! Atta boy, Braves!
Also, you gotta give a tip of the old capper to the Oakland A’s for totally screwing up crappy baseball markets like Atlanta. The more they win with that payroll, the more of an excuse Wrenny has to hold down the payroll and say some stupid crap like “You don’t need a large payroll to win. Just look at Oakland.” Soooooooo, atta boy, Oaky!

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The AJC needs to call out Wren more to make the trade

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a Braves blog is like old GM nite at the church bingo game

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Can we trade Frank Wren?

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said well wrecker

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ANGELS JUST GOT ZACK GREINKE. WHAT’S PLAN C?

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we didn’t want greinke. hello. do you know the game of baseball? No you don’t.

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The Braves have been to one playoff under Frank Wren. ONE

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It seems as though it’d be a mistake to trade Delgado, who seems so close to a breakthrough, for a two-month player, but if it’s more like a 1 1/2 year player in mid-career, I could see it. The Braves will have Vizcaino and (eventually) Beachy back next year, and they can/should have Medlen in the rotation in spring 2013 (if not before), so there’s more depth at SP than it might at first appear.

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Well “Wrecker” I expect a move to be made when we have the CHANCE to make the playoffs.
When we have the prospects to make that trade.
We missed the playoffs by ONE GAME last year because we didnt go for it and stood pat.
I expect a different result
I expect a team with urgency
So Quit your appathetic attitude toward accepting mediocrity.

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Make Chipper the new GM and lets trade for Josh Johnson!

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too late grienke to angels…cause wren would not give up a crap prospect in tehran…yeah let’s wait 5 years for him to be league ready

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frank wren = biggest idiot gm in the game

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Adam Wainwright would have been nice to have…All of these years… Not against trading prospects for proven value but unless, UNLESS you sign ZG it is not going to vault this squad in the World Series.

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J-Man, I am not apathetic. I am excited about the chance to make the playoffs. If the season ended today, we would be in a one-game wild card playoff.

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Can anyone on this blog spell “POPEYE” correctly? Maybe Uggla just needs a can of spinach???

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wrecker = jman

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Go get Remlinger,Bedrosian,and Alejandro Pena out of the old folks home Wren. Everybody breathing that follows baseball knows the Braves need a good starting pitcher to get to post season…

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Old Devil – Schmugla needs something… I say he should screw all of the talking, adjustments, patience, advice and just start swinging at everything and try for the fence. What does he have to lose at this point?

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Jurrjens has not pitched but 2 quality starts all season and yet he keeps getting chances yet Delgado pitched way better and is in the Minors and Yeheran pitched 4 scoreless innings in his only start before getting hit up but he still pitched better than Jurrjens.

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And the people that think Sheets is the Ben Sheets from 2008 are mistaken because he is coming back from 2 TJ surgeries and its not fair to expect much from him. But hey the Braves dont care to make the playoffs.

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me, never.

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Yea he had injuries Karl but we kept playing people that kept underperforming……DEREK LOWE. and didnt let the young pitchers have that chance Teheran in particular. But we will keep having Uggla striking out until its too late. in fact if you look at Ugglas numbers if it wasnt for that hot July/August where he had the 30 game hitting streak of 11 he would be a sub .200 hitter for the Braves.

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shows you how incompetent frank wren is…he ran baltimore into the ground and was run out of town, and now he has made some of the dumbest trades that have done nothing for us over the last 3 yrs, while we are still paying Lowe and Kawakami. Face it wren is not even in the same league as JS…we need a new GM that can build a contender…watch, the braves will be swept by the phillies…we are out of it by aug 15th

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What sucks is that all the people that are defending Wren will be nowhere to be found when we dont make the playoffs again. You hid out until november last year

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There is NO way the Braves stand a chance as long as they keep CHICKEN wren as GM. Now THE WORST GM in pro sports, The New don waddell of GM’s, Lies, will NOT make moves and is so STUPID he alone has Killed this team.

Why is john s. not after another REAL GM is amazing ? I guess in his, now OLD feeble mind, being loyal to CHICKEN wren is more important than WINNING !!!!!!!

A 41 year old pitcher, What a JOKE !!!!

I would take one new jock strap for CHICKEN wren, he is as worthless as worthless can be, HE STINKS !!!! I will NOT attend another Braves game until CHICKEN wren is FIRED and the Braves CLEAN HOUSE, including john s. too !

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J-MAN is not Wrecker, trust me. I was disagreeing with him.

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Even if we were willing to give up some prospects to get Greinke, without Liberty Cheapskate Media upping the Braves payroll by $10-12 million, keeping Greinke after 2012 would mean letting either Bourne or McCann go when their contracts expire. Greinke is going to get $20-22 million per year, and if Bourne stays with us, that will be $10 million more. So, approximately 2/3 of our payroll would be devoted to Greinke and Bourne. Then, McCann would have to be traded during 2013 or lost to free agency at the end of that year. We have cheap owners. With a $100-105 million payroll, we could sign a Greinke without having to ditch someone else at some point.

So, until Liberty commits to winning instead of mediocrity, we are stuck with middle of the road payroll and a team that reflects that payroll………… GO BRAVES!!! Spend some money, Liberty Media — or sell the team to someone who cares………!!!

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Nope Im not Wrecker but I am a fan that questions a GM that just stands pat after chocking a 10 1/2 game wild card lead and still stands pat after having a starting rotation that is 1 of the worst in the Majors.

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How about JJ and Medlen swapping roles? Or, how about Medlen as a starter, Delgado as the bullpen bridge, and JJ in AAA? Hudson, Sheets, Hanson, Medlen and Minor is a pretty good starting five.

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getting real tired of crappy braves not living up to their billing. when will hanson become a true ace? will he ever? dude is so slow to the plate that even bengie molia could swipe home on him.

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DO NOT MORTGAGE the future for a rentaplayer again. If you can’t guarantee he will sign a long term deal, then go with what you have. Heck, put Teheran, Delgado, and Medlen in the starting rotation now and let them learn on the job. Look at what Glavine did back in 1988 – 1990. Look at what he did the next 8 years.

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You mean the Miami marlins, not florida

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See, I don’t see trading your top infield prospect and two minor league pitchers for a guy who has ever done a whole lot for a winning team, who just had to take ten days off and would require mortgaging your future to get. Maybe I am wrong in it, but I wouldn’t do it.

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yeh, do you you have the guts to come on at this moment and comment on Sheets…how about predict his future..how about predict ..ohh the ell with you j-man..I am wasting my time..you have been managing..gming…. playing pro baseball teams a lot longer than me..oh you are just a fan..excuse me I ALMOST THOUGHT YOU KNEW WHAT the ell your were talking about..sorry ..go to a football blog and tell them how to coach a team.. keep trying you may get lucky and get something right before the fact

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well guess we better go get some bats…three or four ….not going to be able to win 3-2 or 5-4 games…itll be 12-10 might as well outslug em……….. just saying == we won’t be out pitching em.

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Hey Schultz, Uggla has stunk while in Atlanta in fact if you dont count that 30 game hitting streak he had last year is is batting under .200 as a Brave. Can we bench him or send him to the Minors like we did Kawakami when he underperformed?

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Agenda for 2012-2013 offseason:
1. NEW OWNERSHIP
2. fire wren (do like what the hawks are doing)
3. Sign josh Hamilton and a top starting pitcher (like the angles with pujos and Wilson)
4. Resign bourn and McCann
5. Chipper for manager 2013???? (hey, a man can dream…)

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I’m glad your finally attacking Liberty media

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Jeff,

I’m not kidding when I say this but I think Atlanta is off the hook in terms of all Olympic celebrations forever. London managed to squeeze in a Mr. Brean/Chariots of Fire live act.

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wren is doing what his mastah’s tell him to

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Doesn’t liberty cheapskate media know that you have to spend some money to make some. Imagine how many more people would be at the park watching the game if we had superstars like pujols and Hamilton in the field and in the lie up. I’m no business major, heck I’m only in high school but obviously liberty only cares about there money, and I’m showing them how to make even more..

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There are usually consequences for trying to contend for a championship on the cheap.

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Can not wait for Big Ben to finish his spring training. Then look out. Number ONE starter.

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mister frickasee you and j man have provided much inspiration and hair-pulling ..lately..and idiot blogs ..THANK-YOU

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Hey Kral you have provided nothing of any merit and add no positive quality whatsoever to any post you ever post……….
SPANK YOU

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People who come to Turner Field…..notice I did not say baseball fans……are just clueless when it comes to understanding how to act at baseball games. They continue to insult all true baseball fans in Chicago, St. Louis, New York, Boston, San Francisco and other place where they actually go to watch…..baseball being played. If Braves fans are not texting in a key inning, they are doing the wave on a 3-2 count with the bases loaded, or trying to look at themselves on camera phones and waving at their freinds at home, or trying to make a business deal…..or impressing the new girl at the office…..or chanting USA USA USA…..but…..most of the time…they simply have no idea what the ball strike count is or what inning it is…..or even who is pitching for the Braves. Braves fans were great in the old Fulton County Stadium….when most knew recognized such names at Roberto Clemente, Willie Mays, Johnny Bench, Wade Boggs, and etc……and actually watch the games. Today….they would think those people were members of a law firm. I do not miss going to games at Turner Field. I remember going to the WS in the mid 90s and Smoltz was pitching in a duel vs. the Yankees……and the count was 3-2 with the bases loaded. I stood up to cheer Smoltz on….and the people behind me said….”You need to sit down….we can’t see where the peanut man is.” I will never ever forget that. I did not know at the time that they would clone themselves and become most of the current Braves fans at the ballpark these days.

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Andy….

Braves management would make that trade as well…right now…..but the GM for the Marlins would fall out of his chair laughing at the Wren……and even a louder laugh while reading your post.

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Jeff….

If the kid is such a great prospect in your opinion….then why is he getting pounded in his second year at the AAA level. If he is hurt, then that is something else. If not, then I would say he is in a big downward move towards being a bust. Have you seen him pitch at Gwinnett lately? If so, what is his deal….in your opinion….or based on what you have heard from anyone in the Braves system or on the AJC?

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J-MAN….

I am not 20 something…..and I have no clue what you just posted (meaning or sense wise). Are you at the ballpark texting or something?

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The Braves are moving in the right direction.

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GM Wrenn dont let the mudslingers get to you. Set a plan. Build through drafting and development. Okay. Stick to your plan. Next year when the money frees up, spend cash wisely. Dont blow it on the wrong players. Braves have great young team. Be patient. Fill needs in off season as easy as now.

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TampaGator: Schultz was talking about Speghetti O’s and the Fans chanting USA randomly on at the game. But its ok your from Tampa I’ll let it slide.

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For once Schultz hits a homerun here. He is spot on with his analysis and has every right and reason to rip Wren and the Braves front office here. When indeed will the Braves ever worry about now…instead of later.

If no move is made to shore up this staff, then they are thumbing their nose at the fans, the team and most of all Chipper. All deserve better than these wait til later philosophies.

Lets be blunt here…when Chipper goes and possibly McCann as well as Bourn (and thats looking like a good possibility because the Braves are cheap), then there won’t be a team good enough to have those young starters pitch for to win.

But most of all….Chipper deserves better. He stuck it out with this organization and sacrificed more than the majority of major league players do normally. Too bad the Braves don’t want to return the favor.

Wait til next year? When will next year actually mean something?

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Since we can’t trade for another starter – KRIS MEDLEN is the answer. Let’s bring him into the rotation as 4th starter, move Minor into 5th and roll to take the division! Go Braves!

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I say we move Medlin to the rotation and trade for Wade Davis.

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How many times has Janish walked since he arrived? It seems he walks once, twice, or three times in every game he plays…..and he plays excellent defense. That was a great trade by Wren…to fill in for Simmons. You got to give him credit for that move so far.

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APPLAUDING FRANK WREN

I don’t consider not trading for Greinke a whiff. He was far too expensive for the Braves budget and would have been a liability in building future squads — from a financial standpoint.

I applaud you Frank, for showing restraint!

Ben Sheets is our Greinke!

Well done!

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Wren needs to stop being a hoarder. He’s going to wind up on Hoarders. Wren is worthless.

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@ Tampa I agree I like Janish. He atleast gets on base. Granted he cant hit for anything but he works the count everytime. Way better than Jack Wilson.

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Braves win….Braves win…..and burry the Phils a little deeper in the Clearwater training “sand” a little deeper…….Did you like that creative pun….Dawg fan? See ya…..

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Good to see that the AJC is finally picking up on what has been obviously wrong with the Braves for the last 3 years. Wren has to go for the Braves to have a chance again.

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and it was the hated phillies..try to enjoy the victory jay…oh..nevermind

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Its ok Kral you try at least and you do well for someone whos mom misspelled Carl on you birth certificate. And even though you name sounds like something hacked froma chain-smoking tuberculosis patient at least you try little buddy. And hey who knows maybe you will one day write something that has merit. I rooting for you little buddy.

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I enjoy every victory I just remember last year as well. But Kral maybe you can one day be able to change your name to Carl. Instead of having a name that sounds like something a chain-smoking Scotsman drinking some expired mike hacked up…….

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About time someone from AJC called out Wren.

farm system is not worth a damn if you never get anything for them and they stay on the farm.
To get something you got to give value for value.Get off you a@@ FW and get Johnson are Shields.

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Damn , I wish Beachy didn’t get hurt!!
Get use to Ben Sheets doing this. The guy was a quality pitcher in Milwaukee.
Sheets, Hanson & hudson give us 3 good arms for the Postseason.
Jair Jurghens is costing this Team badly.
With Beachy, we’d be set.
Go Braves
Roll Tide

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Wasn’t Sheets the First Pitcher pursued? And isn’t that working out pretty well? So get off Frank’s sack…

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So you really want to trade several of your top prospects for a 2 month rental of a starter that might get 12 starts in before the end of the year, we cannot afford to re-sign, and does not perform well under pressure because of a well documented anxioty disorder?? Thank goodness none of you are the GM.

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and you j ..you know rhyme with a word ..sounds like spit..smells like..dang I LOWERED the overall quality of this blog again..when will I ever learn..to late

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Fire Frank

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Maybee Franck Renn wood peigh morr atension two theeze blogz iff posturs wood mayke sum smalle atimpt too spel korrectkly. Jusst ann opinyon.

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and by the way no offense to JS..no one is ever 100% right …lived long enough to know that

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Looks like Wren did OK by Signing Sheets. Nobody give him credit for that move.

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I bet he is lobosolo in drag lol

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Liberty Media. Is there anybody in charge, or are the Braves being run in automatic by QuickBooks Pro?

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Ok Kral I dont even need to respond to your lunacy. All you have is lame insults and you cannot even come up with a decent retort. I think everybody knows you are just psychologically inadequate to engage in a verbal debate with me. Just like your physically inadequate to be able to satisfy a woman.
At the end of the day your just inadequate in every way.

And that is how you finish it off with a rhyme, little man.

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Kral you are a complete Amateur!I will forget more about Brave baseball than you will ever know.Good Night Now.

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Never been a Wren fan. I just think the man is in over his head. But I’m a Braves fan first and so I hope he rises to this challenge and gets us a quality starter. Adding a top flight starter to Hudson, Minor, and Sheets could be the difference maker. Without another starter…………well, that would just be disappointing. Josh Johnson would be awesome! Medlen deserves a shot and I hope he gets it soon.

But what to do about Uggla. The man is completely lost.

What’s with signing Batista? Don’t get it.

Let us give FW credit for taking a chance on Sheets and Durbin. Both good pick ups (that I was skeptical about at first).

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Ok, so Greinke is gone, but Wren shouldn’t stop looking, and he won’t. Did anyone see Brewers pitchers Mike Fiers tonight? He shut down the Nats, and while his record is only 4-4, his ERA is 1.77. In fact, over his last eight starts, Fiers has gone six or more innings and only given up five runs. This guy is good, and he’s gotta be affordable for Wren and Limited Liberty Media’s pocketbook. Go get him.

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mad hell frank wren sucks no balls time you go sick rejects gm cant make trade

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Yes! Let’s all throw a temper tantrum like 4 year old children. Because, Greinke is the last pitcher on the planet. Oh wait! He is not! There are at least 15 pitchers out there who are available and as good as Greinke or Josh Johnson.

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The braves for once made the right move. We cant afford to sign Greinke long term, so he would have been a rental only. Move Medlen into the rotation, and Delgado to the pen, and send JJ to AAA. That rotation will get us in the playoffs without mortgaging our future. If we are only a wildcard and not the division champ, I’ll take Sheets as our 1 game playoff starter. He just beat the 144 million main man of the Phillies. Manage the team we have, and lets see what we can do. This isnt “fantasy ” baseball.

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The blame isn’t on Wren.

It’s on cheap ownership that leaves him with arms and legs tied.

LIBERTY MEDIA, SELL THE TEAM!

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Well Kral Im here. And Im not afraid to talk and run. I see you can you the cpoy and paste feature on the computer because there is no way you spelled inadequate on your own. But instead of the useless dribble that we got going on lets actually debate.

I think its a mistake for Frank Wren to hold on to the Prospects when he is loaded with starting pitching prospects and will have plenty of money freed up next season, to sign a Grienke type player long term along with Bourn.

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More news from the AP: After an extensive and lengthy analysis completed by the AP’s expert sports journalists, it has been determined that Liberty Media does indeed suck.

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Well Kral Im here. And Im not afraid to talk and run. I see you can use you the copy and paste feature on the computer (I can as well lol) because there is no way you spelled inadequate on your own. But instead of the useless dribble that we got going on lets actually debate.

I think its a mistake for Frank Wren to hold on to the Prospects when he is loaded with starting pitching prospects and will have plenty of money freed up next season, to sign a Grienke type player long term along with Bourn

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Now are you gonna debate me or are you gonna keep throwing out insults and avoiding the issue.

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I don’t think it’s a catastrophe we didn’t get Greinke; puzzling though that Angels only had to give two AA players and a promising SS.

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Jeff…………this column makes me sick…………..

For once Wren is doing it right….with a little help from the Angels and maybe Dempster himself.

We need NO MORE RENTALS……………

Period……

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j you have and opinion..well many do on how the braves are run..the difference between me and you is I do not propose to know more than the people involved in the day to day operation of the braves..you want to debate..how can either us debate truthfully about the what the braves should do..when it comes to that we are both sexually inadequate so to speak..you see blogging as a forum to throw out opinions..I see it as people getting and opportunity to rip people with very little recourse involved..I personally would not tell you what the braves should do…I just like to call out bloggers who seem to to think they have more knowledge than they have forgotten.. you might say wow..you want discuss it with..and I would say yeh..it is fruitless we neither know what we are talking about

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I agree with all of you in the idea that we MUST get an impact starting pitcher. I am holding back judgement until Tuesday though before I blast Wren for failing to make an impact move. Let’s look back to last year when we were in need for an impact bad. It was a very similar situation. The Phillies acquired Hunter Pence on a Friday night (deadline was Sunday) and a lot of Braves fans, myself included, began to bash Wren for missing out again. Wren moved on to the next day to acquire Michael Bourn (without giving up any major prospects) and now we have one of the best centerfielders in baseball.

So I say let’s wait until Tuesday before we lead the cavalry to Turner Field looking for Wren. He made an impact move last year when no one saw it coming after Pence was dealt, let’s hope it happens again.

If any of you have noticed, the Braves camp has gotten eerily quiet since the Dempster deal came out. They weren’t considered to be one of the finalists for Greinke if you listen to the post-trade reports. Wren knows we need a SP so it makes me think he is on to something and not letting anyone know, much like the Rangers have been quiet in the last few days. Let’s just all reserve judgement until Tuesday at 4:01 pm.

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excuse the grammar but I GUESS you could say we should get this player or fire this person..go for it..but ..you might one day be proven right..I SEE both sides of things and tend to dislike people who see or are sure about what they see..when actually they might as well have their back turned to it

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It’s all about the TV contract. Wren knows he has to keep prospects and pray they pan out. Otherwise this team will quickly turn into a AAAA club. We can’t afford quality free agents because of the TV contract, which doesn’t expire for 20 more years. Say goodbye to Bourn. Prado or Simmons will be our leadoff man next year, and we will revert to being the slowest team in the Majors.

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I tell you this right here…. the Braves would be top pick to win the World Series if Nick Saban were in charge. He would cut the non performers and sign guys to replace them. Bank it, book it, count on it! RTR

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@NorCal Brave “puzzling though that Angels only had to give two AA players and a promising SS.”

ONLY. How many AA players and young SS would be too much for you to give up in return for getting a pitcher for 2 months?

Thank god you are not the Braves GM.

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J-Man

What do you want to debate? Tell your side and I’ll debate you.

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I’ll most likely debate circles around any of you.

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debate you about trade sure..what you want tell me that grienke is the answer..maybe fw tried to get him you do not have a clue as to what frank did or did not do..see you are supposing about something that you really do not have a real clue about..talk about inadequate..you believe everything you spout..but do not let reality hit you in the azz..are you a politician everything they say in a debate is so accurate

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J-Man

I actually agree with you. I’d like to see the Braves go ahead and give up a prospect or two to get a proven starter, particularly if it’s a guy who will be around for more than just the final two months. You never know how prospects will turn out. People like to talk about the Teixeira trade and yes, the Braves did end up losing that trade. But if you go over the trades the Braves have made over the past twenty years, you can count on one hand the ones that ended up being stinkers in terms of giving up prospects that ended up being good players.

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@ the Truth I dont believe in rentals but we have the money to have resigned Grienke long term. And the only reason the Teixera deal failed for the Braves was because the didnt resign Tex after making the deal.

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Everyone has a right to an opinion. Schultz expressed his. I’m glad Mr. Wren doesn’t wake up every morning and look to see what Schultz’s advice on running the team is with his cupa Joe.

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We’ve had horrible experiences with rental players and have lost so many prospects along the way…Texeria, Sheffield, etc. etc. Those prospects have done well for other teams and our rentals were just journeymen. Wren though has not impressed…and I’m really more concerned about Freddi’s managing abilities and post game interviews!

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all you just stated is pure speculation..there are no facts in there at all..unless maybe your a personal asst. to the gm looking to climb over someones back

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How is it speculation……….HAS WREN MADE ANY TRADES………YES OR NO?
Either you make a trade or you dont theres no speculation bout that.

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the Braves do NOT HAVE the money to pay $20-25 million dollars for a pitcher and have him represent 25% or our payroll…………

If Wren had the money he’d do whatever it took……you guys don’t know Jack…………the days of Ted and Jane are over gang…..

Not until Liberty Media sets the Braves free will it change…………..

So you can pontificate and berate Wren and company all you want….it is what it is…..

NO RENTALS

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it is not a question of whether he made a trade or not.. my point is you do not know what he has tried to do..so well your right no trades..damn good point..really…he did not do what you consider best for the team and the overall organ..maybe..shame on him ..wish I your abilities.will check later ..sorry to run out but grandkids coming in the morning..3 and under 1..but keep on j…persistence is good

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my problem with all this . is that im tired off hearing about all these prospect we have but we never see them. sure we see them every once in a while. I think the braves will do nothing to help there teamand we might make a wildcard berth but will lose cause the team that beats us will be a team that took a chance on a trade. the cubs said today that they would eat all but 2 millions left on sorina of the cubs..sorry for the spellin.. BUT if i was the Braves i would get him and dempster to help the team.. WE dont need a untility player and bull pen help…Im tired of losing in the playoff…ITs hard to contnue to be a brave fan..I miss the days of TED..

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I’m thinking that Wren is hoping that he struck gold with the cheap pickup of Ben Sheets, and that it will ease the pain of if not justify the Braves’ lack of a more cost-intensive trade for a front-line pitcher. While so far Sheets has been excellent, he’s one man in a 5-man rotation, and outside of Hudson we frankly aren’t sure what to expect on a given outing.

The real holdup here isn’t merely Frank Wren; it’s the faceless Liberty Media ownership (you know, the one out of Denver that pays their CEO more than the entire Braves roster in a year). Put Wren in charge of personnel moves with say, the Yankees’ payroll and readiness to sign big names, and maybe folks wouldn’t be complaining so much about his seeming ineptitude. But since the ownership is faceless, the only visible person most Atlanta fans have to aim their anger and frustration at is Wren. I’ll be honest; I wouldn’t want his job, because Liberty will never allow him to make the deals needed to meet fan expectations as long as they own this team.

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For all of you morons who keep blaming Liberty Media and saying they won’t spend any money, the Braves’ payroll is higher than Washington’s. Explain that. Or better yet, explain the fact that the Phillies have the second highest payroll in MLB, more than double the Braves or Nationals. The same goes for Boston. How about explaining why the Marlins’ payroll is $40 million higher than the Braves? What about the fact that Cincinnati has a lower payroll than the Braves and a better record?

If the payroll was the only thing that mattered, then the Yankees would win every game every year and we could all stop watching.

AND STOP WHINING YOU SORRY BUNCH OF LOSERS! The Braves are the 6th best team in baseball with 63 games left. We are only 5 games behind the best team in baseball.

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What is getting old is your constant b****ing about trading away long-term future potential for a short-term rental pitcher. You wanted Dumpster the baby? And Greinke – Mr. Anxiety Disorder? You seem to want to give away the farm – aka Texiera – and yet Wren, along with most fans, does not want to go down that road again.

Give it a rest, guys (MB and Schultzie). DOB has got the story covered in a level-headed fashion, and we aren’t going to make another stupid move again.

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Im not blaming liberty Media we have a payroll around 90 million dollars. But I do blame the use of said money.
Lowe is getting paid 10 million bucks not to pitch here.
Chipper is making 14 million (I love him to death but hes not able to give 14 million in production)
Uggla is making 13 million dollare to lead the Majors in strike outs and to hit .100 since June and to be slightly above .200 as an Atlant Brave.
So its not how much you spend its how you spend it.

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But I do blame Frank Wren for being inefficient and lacking the courage to make a trade.
McClouth, Kawakami, Lowe and Uggla are moves he made.
But lets talk about the moves he didnt make like this winter when he should have traded Jurrjens and gotten a good reward of prospects for him, or the lack of effort to go after Grienke. I used to give Wren credit when it came to trades such as the Javier Vazquez trade and the Bourn trade but Wren has gotten gun shy when it comes to trades.
I hope he sees that he needs to go after Edinson Volquez, Josh Johnson, or James Shields.

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3 straight years the Braves have been contenders only to sputter out in September…..Remember that

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Point 1,. Wrong Point 2.Almost wrong. All quit your whining… We whipped Hamels ace and right there on the heels of the Expos!!!

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I never said to give up Teheran and Dlegado but if you give up 1 of them and maybe Edward Salcedo they that there would have been more that what the Angels offered for Grienke. But I think we should go all in for Edinson Volquez of the Padres. He has a low ERA he eats up innings and is top 10 in the Majors in opponent batting Avg.

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Braves interested in Edinson Volquez or Julio Reyes (Whatever his Legal name is). Forget him. Braves are holding their own without Simmons. He’ll return soon. Play Janish at second. His average should approach the Uggla line by then.

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Why are we so worried about our pitching when we’ve got players like Uggla and Bourne that are supposed to be generating offense and not doing the job. We all might be supprised how well our young pitching staff would do if we started producing more runs.

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Wren is SMART!!!! Ted Turner is not around with deep pockets anymore, NO MORE STUPID St. Louis Cardinals and Texas Rangers deal a la Schuerholtz.
Delgado will be a superstar a la Wainright that we gave a way for NOTHING.
This team is more than one pitcher away for the World Series.

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hey Casey the reason the nats have a lower payroll is that they have more players with less than 3 yrs of service so they get paid peanuts

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I have followed and rooted for the Braves since that first season in ‘66. I have seen the highs and lows. I am glad Wren isn’t willing to overpay for a rental. I would rather go with what we have and package prospects for a bat (3B or LF) this winter.

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Fire Fredi and Frank ..the twins of Fail…and while we’re on the subject of pink slips give one to Bud Selig…he is just a notch above David Stern as the worst commisioner in pro sports.

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Sorry for those Braves fans who want instant gratification and fixes with “rental” players. To this long-time Braves fan who paid the bucks for MLB.com this year in order to watch the Braves play during a 3-month Maine hiatus from Georgia’s summer, it makes no sense to trade future pitching staff aces for a two-month possible flash-in-the-pan. With due respect to Chipper Jones and his desire to get to another World Series during his last year with us, stick to your Plan Wren. We’ve already seen what giving up a lot of talent to get the savior who would take us to the World Series has done for us in the past.

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Frank Wren should return his paychecks from the last year. He did nothing over the off season and he is doing nothing now.

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GoBravos & dcb you are right on, trading for a rental is “foolish”

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Who would you rather have for a right hand pinch hitter Mejia or Pastor, one hits 300 one hits 250, one has 20+ home runs one has around 5. Well we have the one with the inferior numbers, don’t tell me we have the Pastor for backup at short because Prado proved he could fill in for a day or two.

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look…i get everyone’s frustration, but dempster didn’t want to come here. wren did what he could regarding dempster. oh, and he picked up ben sheets (3-0, 1 ER in 3 starts) for absolutely nothing. everybody seems to have forgotten about that jewel at the garage sale.

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I am an old timer. I don’t agree with trading off young talent to get the short time rental of talent. I got two trades for you youngsters to research. Wainwright for Drew and Barker for Jacoby and and Brett Butler.

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Shultz, you would not make a pimple on a bad GM’s arse.

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Lets see how the next couple of days go before we hang Wren in the town square. I’m guessing Wren understands what this team needs and will TRY to make deal to ge it. The Dempster deal was foolish anyway the guy has a career losing record with an ERA similar to Hanson. Not worth the money!

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We may not have been able to get Greinke even though we really did need him ( Plus he actually wanted to come to Atlanta ) but we have got to bring in someone who can contribute right away in our rotation. I have been overwelmigly surprised by Ben Sheets productivity thus far. Not sure if anyone saw that coming. Delgado and Company just aren’t pitching like they are ready for the big leagues quite yet and if we are going to make a run at anything other than exiting the Wildcard Series, we need a frontline guy. Frank Wren is constantly in the media talking about how he wants to do go after this position and that position but most of the time, it turns into nothing because it cost too much, or we get some scrub that has been released by another team. The media needs to pounce on Frank Wren if we want him to be pressured to complete this team. It’s bad enough that we can’t fill up the seats at the stadium, but we need a Rotation that is feared like it used to be. This is obviously just my opinion but let me know what you think.
Thanks.

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I couldn’t agree more PMc. We have so many of these “Golden, Untouchable” Prospects, yet they either haven’t shown that they are Great or haven’t had the chance to show it. To me, until it is proven that they can live up to all the hype given to them by the media and scouts, they are just another Minor league player.

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@nninWithTheDawgs

Uggla and Bourne not producing? You’re right on half of that………..and dead wrong on the other…

Bourne is a super producer…so much that his free agent price may be so high we can’t re-sign him…

Uggla is a different story…I didn’t like the trade then and still don’t like it. I would rather have kept Infante and Dunn and done without Uggla’s 40 home runs he has hit in the 2 years he’s been here….about half of them have been with no one on and had no bearing on the win-loss outcome.

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The Braves would be morons to trade Teheran and Delgado. I am actually glad that Dempster turned them down and we still have Delgado. A rental player is not worth our top prospects.

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It is kinda cool though that we we’re able to take it to Mr. 6 yr.144mil. dollar Braves beater Hamels after he gots his big signin’ out of the way. That felt good. McCanns just unloaded upon Mr. 144mil-invincible. Just hope to keep rollin’. See, Chipper & the clubhouse see what we see,the need of creativity, reinforcements that can stir things up. Only wish’n. We did see the move for Bourne last year, Awesome, & hope to afford to keep ‘em. Be smartly creative.

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Yes Liberty Media has the team in Bondage. Mabey some one from the brass can talk to them about increasing payroll, & tell them of the increase revenue & the advantages of having a world championship Baseball team could bring to their market. The Ceo’s secretary could answere the phone(Hello Liberty Media & owner of 2012, 13 World Champion Atlanta Braves, How may I take you’re Call?). Only wishin’ right?

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Well, I’m no fan of Wren and have made that obvious many times in posts. However, if he has really learned from the Teixeira trade, the Drew trade, and a few others, I am sure glad he is GM rather than Schultz.

I suspect that many want to throw caution to the wind to “win one last one for Chipper”. Why? There is no legitimate reason to clean out the minors again just to try to bring a happy ending to the career of a 40 year old part time player.

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Yeah, the Braves suck, yada yada….Wren sucks, yada yada…it’s Chipper last year yada yada…so let’s do the desperate thing and trade away the future. Right…got Texiera?

Schultz does a good job pointing out the deadline trades that worked out…how about the ones that didn’t. It’s a crapshoot. Someone else already said it, but we don’t need to empty the pantry for a starter. Medlin is the guy we need to add to the rotation.

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Wow … the past 6-7 comments actually make sense and reinforce the logic of NOT giving away our young pitchers for a pipe dream….

Sorry Chipper, the bottom line is the Braves don’t have the resources to sign all the pieces it would take to PERHAPS be capable of going to the WS in your swan song year….

Remember even if they had the dough, and went all out with it to “strengthen” the team, it WOULD NOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING other than we could play the last of the 162 game 2012 season….

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After reading all these blogs… None of you deserve to be Braves fans go somewhere else. You aren’t in the front office and have no idea what’s going on. Uggla is struggling yes but he is also a leader and plays hard no matter what. Remember mortgaging the future for Mark Texiera yeah the rangers are still thanking us for that. So I would be a little catious giving up JT, Delgado Spruill and more for an ace we have a 50 50 chance of re signing. The Braves have a legit shot at catching the Nats and winning the N.L.

As B1 said go back to your church league softball teams!

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Braves Suck-

You’re a complete idiot, dude. All you’re doing is ranting about nothing. As if any anything you say has any substance at all. The funny thing is you are right about one thing- the braves dont have superstars…and actually they do not suck…at all. So you really look like a total moron posting that complete waste of space on this website. You are referencing absolutely nothing. Also funny….you mention management!!!! As if management even controls or has any influence whatsoever on whether or not the Braves sign superstars. I dont normally post stuff but you must be put in check for such idiotic, meaningless cr@p. Now go check on your fantasy team.

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Another completely foolish column, filled with completely idiotic bloggers spouting nonsense.

You don’t trade the #1 prospect in baseball for a 2 month rental. Further, the Braves would be wise to avoid trading for a guy like Grienke, who they would feel pressured to resign to a mega-deal he doesn’t deserve. I can count on one finger the amount of pitcher mega-deals that have actually returned close to their contract value….CC. That’s it.

I think the pitching problems are greatly overblown. Especially by the dolts that write for this paper. If they do pursue a pitcher at all, it should be James Shields who has big game experience, strikes out a ton of guys, and fits the profile of a pitcher who would excel moving to the NL. And with a 7 million dollar salary next year, his arrival would not preclude the Braves from acquiring another impact player.

Which IMO, should be Justin Upton. If he’s truly on the market, I’d happily give up Julio and Delgado for him. Drop another 40 hr impact bat in the middle of this lineup and watch it really take off.

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Great article Jeff. Wren is sitting on his hands with these pitchers for three years now and they are not helping us and Teheran is going backwards. It is time to win now. Schurholtz made two bad moves when he gave up prospects and his last one he will never live down and for some reason that is stopping us from winning today. BS I call on that one. As for those of you who want Medlen in the rotation, that is fine, but the Braves are not going to win with 4 #3 starters. They need a top of the rotation guy and they need him NOW!

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Braves are in a position where no matter what Wren does he’ll be open to criticism. The “all-in” camp (which presumably would include Chipper and Bourn) doesn’t care about the prospects or how many years the Braves spend looking up at the rest of the league. It’s possible another Tex-trade could cost Wren his job, and he has to be VERY careful who he signs up for 1/5 of the payroll, if anybody.

It’s possible the Brewers just liked the Angels prospects better than what Atlanta had to offer, the Dempster trade falling through was a blessing in disguise, and I still think there are pitchers out there who could help. The Braves have other needs that might be more pressing and should not be ignored, say, a big right-handed bat.

The players on the roster need to produce – Minor, Delgado, Medlen, and Teheran between them need to hold down the fourth and fifth spots in the rotation and be ready to step up if one of the “Big 3″ falters or goes down. Uggla and Paul Janish need to stop competing for the Mendoza batting title. The bench needs to get some timely hits, and the bullpen needs to hold up.

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74bravesjersey: At this moment Mejia is batting .307,74RBIs,21homers with 7 stolen bases.

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Forget the pitchers. Trade for Hunter Pence, move Prado to second and Ugs to the bench or AAA.

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Jeff – Help me out on this, does Wren consider Teheran to have more trade value than Delgado, I don’t get it, he was willing to give up Delgado for Dempster but wouldn’t give up Teheran for Greinke. Teheran is going backward, has an terrible year compared to last year. I know he is still young but he ain’t getting younger. Delgado shows great promise and should be taken completely off the table.

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Get Uggla out of the line-up, put Prado on 2B and get a big bat left fielder and we will be ok with the pitching we have once Simmons returns.

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Also, why is Medlen pitching long relief still? Can Martinez not handle it? On a team that is hurting for STARTING pitching, why is Kris still wasting away in the bullpen?

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If I were Fredi/Frank I would try to trade Uggla for any prospect, if they can’t find any takers (which I doubt) they should approach Danny Boy and tell him “say look, we are giving you two choices, you can either willingly go to AAA and get your sh*t together or ride the bench the rest of the year, you are hurting our chances of making the play-offs” end of conversation.

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Pitcher, hell! They need a RH hitter. Still. When Pastornicky is used as a PH, you know you’ve got severe bench problems.

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Frank Wren is an embarrassment to the city of Atlanta – He can’t get anything done – He is Useless…..I don’t give a crap about getting Chipper some kind of win……I care about winning period….All I have heard from this blog for the last couple of years – is the future – is the future – The Future is NOW…..Frank Wren is about as useful as tits on a boar hog…….

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Jeff,

You so clearly graduated from the emotional school of journalism! So often the theme of your columns (such as this one) center of themes of people being incompetent, or foolish. The world doesn’t work that way!

Frank Wren doesn’t operate in a vacuum. The reason the Braves under Ted Turner’s ownership got those players is because Turner was willing to spend the money, even to incur a temporary loss, to win! Liberty Media doesn’t think that way. Wren has a budget and he will be fired if he exceeds it. It is a simple reality. Most everyone sees it, and I know you see it also. So, stop patronizing us and write columns that accurately reflect this truth!

Given this financial reality, and the consequence that the Braves are truly no longer a player on that $100 million/five year contract for a free agent field, it is vital to draft and groom a strong farm system. Wren is intelligent to understand this, and in this respect, he is showing a keener insight to reality than did the vaunted John Scheurholtz who traded the farm for Mark Texeria thinking the Braves could leverage Georgia connections for a hometown discount.

Texeria instead made it very clear that in any long-term contract his mantra was “Show me the money!” The Braves traded him to Anaheim just to hope to salvage something of value for him when he predictably packed his bags for the mega-money in the Bronx. A better balanced column would have at least made passing reference to this factor!

I congratulate Wren for understanding his situation. Perhaps you can write columns that better reflect that you understand this situation — which again I am confident that you do. In the course of doing this, you better reveal that you understand your readers are not fools either, but rather people who see the reality also!

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Maybe Uggla would be willing to go to Gwinette to get his stuff together and come back with the September roster expansion, wouldn’t hurt to ask him.

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Yeah maybe they could hire B/Mac’s brother and Chipper’s dad to go to Gwinett with him for a little professional coaching.

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Could it be that the Braves just don’t have any real prospects to offer for a front-line pitcher?

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Just like angels Trumbo & Trout, arizona’s Goldscmidt, etc… we have another young Thumper or 2 that are hungry to get the call, to perform, just like simmons, give them a shot(Mejia, Durango,Gattis if he’s well) you never know. Simmons has gone beyond defensive wiz & has blown everybodies socks off. Some of the dead weight has gotten pretty lame. O’l Francisco sure looked alot better down in Miami, mabey turnin’ the corner w/ some plate Discipline. Uggla, you gotta get you’re zone back w/ better plate discipline, quit bein’ a easy out for those pitchers. Look for you’re pitch, not there’s. That’s where it lies fellas, mental toughness & a approach not to give in to their sucker pitch. Ugg’s, quit being suckered, kow you’re zone, when you we’re w/ florida, you raked against us pretty handidly. Clear you’re mind, look for you’re pitch.

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Dang forgot the ‘n’ in know you’re zone, got in a rush here.

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BMoney – it is obvious, you mean “KNEW” or maybe you are just ignorant and didn’t know……..

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As usual a LOT of ignorance going on here…Jeff is right about one thing…DOING NOTHING is not going to benefit this team.

Has Wren acquired an ace pitcher or impact player? No
Has Wren of Fredo moved Kris Medlen to the starting rotation (and putting Delgado in the pen not AAA)? No
As currently constructed our starting 5, are they able to win a WS? If you think (yes) I have some ocean side property to sell near KC, MO

So how is WREN doing NOTHING benefiting the Braves (Yes you wise a&& prospect huggers that are glad we haven’t landed a SP or impact player as of right now)

One last point, I’m so fraking tired of reading (well we don’t wanna give up 2 prospects for a 2 month rental)…DUDE where did you see that it was a GUARANTEED 2 month rental? Where? Something could have been worked out as to have him sign a 5-6 year extension here you know! Did Wren even TRY to work on this deal? I guess we’ll never know…all I know is that the Angels just “got that much closer to a post season run” and the Braves…well we got a 41 year old scrap pile reject to add to our pen…

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Put Medlen in the rotation and call up Buddy Carlyle to replace him in the pen.

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Braves need a A 2b right now. We all see it but Fredi or Wren dont care.

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How about trying to get Reed Johnson from the Cubs.

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I have to agree with the sentiment that a big move would be useless with our current manager.

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I’m just glad that Matt Garza is out of action until after the Deadline, otherwise Wren would probably give up Delgado for his sorry ass.

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Well, I completely disagree. The Braves have a nice chance to build on their youth movement and get something going with a moderately sized payroll. A guy who can win 12 or 13 games while getting paid the league minimum is a big plus in my opinion. I would rather the Braves set themselves up to be competitive over 3 or 4 seasons rather than just have one run. Here we are today and we’re only 4 games back when every major sports news source every where predicted the Braves would be 4th overall. I think the Angels gave up way too much to get Greinke. The Braves made the right call. If they only get bullpen and bench help, then I’ll understand because starting pitching at this trade deadline is at an all time high in demand. I don’t want to see another former Braves prospect winning 12 games before the all star break. Sorry, but I have to agree with Wren on this one.

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Please Mr Wren, don’t be making “Changes for Change Sake” just get rid of Uggla, he is the only thing that is hurting us right now.

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Im glad that didnt get Ryan Dumpster but surprised since Wren searches in DUMPSTERS for pitching.

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Braves will have McCann,Bourn,Chipper money to spend next year. At least Chippers 16 million to get a pitcher.

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How can Uggla be this bad? Hes the worst hitter in MLB thats a starter. Just release him. Please play somebody else ar 2b. I beg you…

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Jeff,

I usually agree with you, but this time I’m undecided.

Let’s say this offer was presented to Wren:

Greinke for the rest of the year

FOR

Delgado + Teheran

Would you have done it?

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Don’t blame Wren, blame the awful Liberty Media ownership. If the Braves don’t make a significant move, Atlantans should call their cable provider and demand a package that does not include Liberty channels. They don’t care about Atlanta, evidenced by the fact that they never invest in winning.

Liberty: make a deal or get out of Atlanta!!!

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Agree, Wren does a smashing job with the payroll he has to work with.

Go BRAVES!

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I don’t give a dang about make Chipper’s last year great……he has had a bunch of years to make it great and just hasn’t got the job done…..I hope when he is gone – HE IS GONE FOR GOOD!

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Wren hasnt only done an average job at best with the pay roll
Were paying Lowe 10 mil not to pitch here
We are paying Uggla 12 mil to lead the league in strike outs and to be slightly above .200 as a Brave
Chipper while having a good season is making 14 million. A lot for a part time player.
Thats a good chunk of money right there. In fact if Prado, Bourn and Kimbrel havent been there to bail us out we wuld be in trouble.
Also Wren has stood pat when he needed to make a move during this off-season (Particularly trading Jurrjens when he had value, many people called for that move to be made including myself)
I think we should go for Edinson Volquez he has a 3.20 ERA he eats up innings and is top 10 in opponents batting avg. against.

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I always thought Wren did his best job when it comes to trades such as the Javier Vazquez deals and the Bourn deal. I just dont understand why he is standing pat.

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Liberty medis spends money 90 million aint nothing to blink at but we are wasting a good chunk of money on players that underperform.
Lowe 10 mil not to pitch here
Uggla 13 million
Chipper 14 million great player but 14 mil is too much to pay a part time player
Jurrjens 6 million
Matt Diaz 2.5 million

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A trade for the sake of a trade makes about as much sense as hiring a newspaper columnist to be the general manager of the team. Im sure Mr. Wren sees the big picture better then we, the fans, do.

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This team has not been consistent enough to convince me overpaying for a rental player makes sense. Hovering around 10 games over .500 is not getting it done. If you are a wildcard team it is a one game play in. I think Wren is correct in not panicing like many are encouraging him to do. Sheets has been a big surprise so Braves have added a solid starter. Perhaps Medlin moving to the rotation and another solid reliever to take his place will suffice. Remember the current dry spell in post season is due to the Shurholtz panic give away to Texas. In Shurholtz’s defense though at least he went after an everyday player not a guy who plays once every 5 days.

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Run on sentence there at the end… too quick to post…

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did you write this article before the texeira trade also?

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He has been GM for five years and he is no closer to a legitimate post season run now then when he took over. He has a built in excuse called Liberty (which is partly to blame) but his eye for talent is hit or miss.

Sheets was a coin flip and a cheap one. His starts look great but not the done by the 6th inning bit. Sooner or later the pen will not be able to hold the line esp since the rest of the starters (apart from every third Hudson start) are in the same boat.

Bottom line Wren has air cover in Liberty and it allows him to vacillate between being short sighted & cheap to over paying and or jumping the gun. He dodged 100mm mistakes bc he cannot afford to offer that kind of money. If he could be would have at least one 100mm mess.

How long can he be GM on a team that watches games on TV in Oct?

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I haven’t read all your comments but the majority of them sound like spoiled crybabies. “Wren sucks….waaaaaa” just like the tool that wrote this article. Okay so we didn’t get Dempster, not for lack of trying. We didn’t get Grienke, not for lack of trying. Who do we get now? What would you do? Oh yeah, “trade Uggla”…who wants Uggla folks? Do you? Thought not. Who do you replace Uggla with? Prado? Nice…who replaces Prado. Oh, no answer. THIS is a playoff team but NOT a World Series team, and besides a stunning Felix Hernandez type impact player at this point, there’s no one available to make this a World Series team. So why trade YOUNG, CONTROLLABLE, talent for an arm that might or might not get as another 5 W’s along the way? I was suspect of Wren initally too folks..that was his FIRST year, the man is doing a pretty decent job and hasn’t strip mined our farm out of panic. You’d think Schultz..a “sportswriter” would balance these options and weigh logic, but no…he’s moans, groans, and cries like the rest of you big baby Braves fans. Get a grip people. We’re doing good not great and it’s probably not our year no matter how epic it would be for Chipper to go out on.

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Wow. a lot of haters. anyone around for tex deal few years back? Why waste talent on a rental. sheets has been spectacular. we can fight for greinke in off-season with Larry Wayne and Lowe off books. who do we get over uggla? scutaro just traded for recent first rounder. Starters have underperformed but no one to blame but them. thank you Frank wren for not depleting our system. grow up braves fans

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I actually did want to keep Vazquez and I admitted that we were better off trading him to the Yankees getting Vizcaino and everything. But Jurrjens had trade value and was mentioned in Colorado, Baltimore and Boston as potential destinations. But the point is we can look at those contracts now and criticize them, because at the end of the day you have to be held accountable either way. Either you become a genius or your a fool. Its the world of Sports all deals are subject to scrutiny. And the fact is that Wren has made questionable moves.

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Jeff: After all the comments on this blog, do you see the same drift as I do?
That being FW is doing the right thing in regards to not making deals that will hurt in team in the future. Also, he still has time to make a trade or take some other action to get a starter.

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Well all Im saying is that Frank Wren has had some questionable moves, we can agree on that and I feel that he still needs to make a trade. I think Edinson Volezquez would be the best deal possible. And truth he wouldnt be a rental. But Wren had several offers for Jurrjens this past offseason, he just didnt like the offers and he over valued Jurrjens.

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……Remember when Ted Turner owned this team and money was no object………..Now they’re just a tax rite-off for Liberty Media…….nuff said.

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NO RENTALS

BIG FRANK

NO RENTALS

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Not convinced that Dempster is anything more than a mediocre player having a good year. It’s conveniently overlooked that We picked up Sheetz, who’s now 3-0. As for Greinke and Johnson, I wouldn’t mortgage the future for them.

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@ Belcher nope that was Schulholtz. In fact Schulholtz had a terrible time with trades in his last 7 years as GM. The Tex deal, the JD Drew deal, Trading Milwood for Johnny Estrada wasnt a popular 1.

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Looks like some sanity is returning to the Braves Management….Fredi just announced that Medlen will start Tuesday barring some trade in the interim…..

The insanity continues though as JJ is being moved to the pen……..can you imagine? I think JJ needs to spend the month of August at Gwinnett pitching every other day in the pen there….

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Moving Medlen back to the rotation is a good move but the Braves still need another starter. Hanson and Minor are very inconsistant. We also need another bull-pen arm and another right handed bat to come off the bench

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Learn from the past. It would be nice to have Matt Harrison who was an All Star this year in our rotation. Guess why that won’t happen? It was because John Scherholtz got trade happy with our top prospects.

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If Ben Sheets puts up 2-3 more wins in a row, we’ll be seeing columns about how smart Wren is.

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Enter your comments here

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September 16, 1973

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Come on Jeff, this is all rhetoric without any facts. Check out Greinke’s stats in September/ postseason, and his home road splits. This guy wasnt worth our future. I truly believe next year we will make a big move if necessary, as we will have a lot better read on how these young pitchers are cashing in on their potential. Ask the nationals if they are upset that their GM did the right thing by waiting and assembling the crew of players they have now…

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@longtimefan – you got it right pal. Most of the guys who blog on this page are crack pots who want to trade the entire team after every hiccup. And while Delgado has a lot of potential and worth keeping, has anyone looked at his record? I don’t think 4-9 is going to get anyone to the HOF. Maybe he’ll be great next year but maybe he will stink it up next year. Then everyone will be yelling that we should have traded him when we had the chance. And what team is it exactly that wants a .213 hitting 2nd baseman in a trade? Hey – hindsight is 20-20.

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@splendid splinter

You really should not use that username………..there was only one “Splendid Splinter” and he, Ted Williams was one of a kind….

That out of the way, check Glavine, Smoltz and Maddox and their first few years….then tell me how bad Delgado and Minor look to you………….I think these numbers should make us all think again when we think we’re so wise….

Glavine

1987 2 W 4 L 5.54 era
1988 7 W 17 L 4.56 era

Smoltz

1987 2 W 7 L 5.58 era

Maddox

1986 2 W 4 L 5.52 era
1987 6 w 14 L 5.61

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IF Chipper or Mac wants it, the DH is waiting in the American League. Red Sox and Yankees would pay big money for either of those two? What do you guys think?

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DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT A TOP YOUNG PITCHER FOR A RENTAL PITCHER, NO MATTER WHO IT IS, IS A DUMB DEAL . COX MADE HIS LONG CONSECUTIVE DIVISION TITLES ON THE BACKS OF PITCHERS. LIVE TO WIN THE LONG WAR NOT A SHORT TERM GOOD FEELING VICTORY. WE ARE IN THE HINT WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND CAN WIN BUT TRADING YOUR FUTURE FOR A POSSIBLE TITLE IS NOT SMART AND WOULD IN NO WAY GUARENTEE A TITLE.

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Chipper shouldn’t have joked around with Wren, he should have put a ball on a tee in the clubhouse with Josh Johnson written in permanent marker on it, and knocked the life out of it into Frank Wren’s forehead so he would know what was needed for this team of ours to make a legitimate push to win a championship and couldnt look at a mirror without seeing it. Go Braves, notice there is no Win in Wren.

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