NCAA hits Penn State hard, but ‘death penalty’ appropriate (UPDATED with video)

Mark Emmert moved fast and hit Penn State for their actions (and inactions). (AP photo)

Mark Emmert moved fast and hit Penn State for their actions (and inactions). (AP photo)

(See video blog with CineSports’ Noah Coslov below)

(Updated at 6:40 p.m. with comment from Penn State president that school accepted penalties to avoid death penalty)

Let’s start with this: NCAA president Mark Emmert acted swiftly and justly. That’s a rarity for the NCAA.

Emmert didn’t need a 17-month investigation by an overworked and underpaid staff to unearth something that we didn’t already learn from prosecutors and witnesses in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse trial, or from the exhaustive, 267-page Freeh Report, conducted by a former director of the FBI. Anybody who believes Emmert moved too quickly on Penn State without the NCAA doing its own leg work must not having been paying attention for the past several decades, when policing college athletics became far too big of a job for that relative mom-and-pop organization.

The NCAA appropriately slammed Penn State Monday for its perceived enabling and cover-up of Sandusky. Emmert referenced an athletic culture “that went horribly awry” and a misguided “hero worship” that led to it. He didn’t bury the lead.

The penalties will double-over every blinded school official, player, fan, alum and misguided individual who hugged and tried to protect the Joe Paterno statute. The school was hit with a $60 million fine, equivalent to one year’s gross revenue for the football program (the money will fund an endowment that will fight child sexual abuse).

There’s also a four-year bowl ban; the loss of 40 scholarships over four years; the freedom for existing Penn State players to transfer to another school without having to sit out a year; the vacating of all victories since 1998, a symbolic punch to the gut for the memory of Joe Paterno. (The quarterback for Paterno’s last official win in 1997: Mike McQueary, whose eyewitness account of seeing Sandusky in the shower with a young boy was ignored years later.)

The sanctions will cripple the football program. But Emmert still fell short.

The NCAA, as I’ve written previously, should have gone one step further and shut the program down for one to two years. It would’ve been more than just a symbolic hit.

There is a need for a cultural change at Penn State, as Emmert himself said frequently Monday, and the “death penalty” would have increased the likelihood of that happening.  It would have prompted anybody who ever took part in a cover-up or ignored whispers about Sandusky to reflect during Saturdays in the fall when football wasn’t being played at Penn State. Beaver Stadium could have been used for weekly prayer vigils for the victims.

Penn State officials need time to process this. They need to consider where, when and why they jumped the rails on their mission. While there’s no question the NCAA’s punishment will make them feel the pain of their actions, nothing can equal the silence of an empty stadium, the absence of weekly pep rallies. No program in history deserves to be shuttered as much as the Penn State football team. We send criminals to jail. We don’t tell them, “OK, you can still go back to that bank that you robbed, but now you’ll have to take the bus, and just don’t do it again.” Penn State needed to lose its freedoms, its privileges.

For some reason, the NCAA apparently gave Penn State a choice. President Rodney Erickson told the Centre Daily Times the school accepted the sanctions to avoid the death penalty: “We had our backs to the wall on this. We did what we thought was necessary to save the program.”

Some believe the death penalty would have been a softer punishment than what Penn State received. I don’t get that. Has anybody seen SMU since the death penalty?

Emmert believes the death penalty would’ve caused “unintended harm” to those who were innocent in this mess. That’s true. Unfortunately, the innocent always get hurt in NCAA probation. New players and often new coaches are in place when sanctions hit for past misdeeds.

Those who believe Sandusky’s crimes didn’t warrant any sanctions because they did not give the school a competitive advantage are missing the big picture. Question: If Jerry Sandusky was a chemistry professor and not a former high profile football coach, do you believe he would’ve been protected? Of course not. Penn State’s actions and inactions were about preserving the competitiveness, image and profitability of the football program.

Even without the death penalty, however, it was encouraging to see Emmert take charge. The NCAA has needed somebody with logic and courage to run things. The hope is that this won’t be an isolated case, because the leaders of college athletics have long since lost perspective.

Emmert said the Penn State case “involves tragic and tragically unnecessary circumstances. One of the grave dangers coming from our love of sports is that the sports themselves can become too big to fail, too big to even challenge. The result can be an erosion of academic values that are replaced by hero worship and winning at all costs. In the Penn State case, the results were perverse and unconscionable.”

They were the perfect words to punctuate the punishment and begin the process of closure. Going one step further would have made it just a little better.

By Jeff Schultz

Here’s my chat with CineSports’ Noah Coslov on the NCAA’s sanctions against Penn State.
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525 comments Add your comment

NC Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

Not enough. But, is there anything short of shutting the program down that would suffice?

hirejongruden

July 23rd, 2012
11:05 am

Fire mark richt. We are playing with less scholarship players than Penn St!

gomdawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:06 am

Can Georgia go after any of these players from Penn St

kappellmeister

July 23rd, 2012
11:07 am

Jeff – why is it the custodians who kept their mouths shut because they “feared for their jobs” getting a free pass in all this? They could have done SOMETHING, even anonymously. Making money is so much more important? I mean, I am a teacher at a high school with a well-entrenched head football coach. If I witnessed such a thing, fear of my job or not, I would have to say something.

Ostrich Racer

July 23rd, 2012
11:07 am

JJ

July 23rd, 2012
11:08 am

The 60 mil and vacating wins means very little.

gomdawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:09 am

hirejongruden have you lost your mine , CMR IS A GREAT COACH , I FOR ONE AM 100 % BEHIND HIM

MetsH8r

July 23rd, 2012
11:10 am

I agree Jeff. PSU Football taking the field this fall, regardless of the penalties now imposed, will still send the message to the victims and everyone else that “Almighty football” is too important to shut down.

Ward

July 23rd, 2012
11:10 am

This punishment feels right for the most part, knowing that you can never do enough to make it right for those men that were abused. I do wish, however, that the Big 10 comes in and says that for the next 10 years PSU will not get any football money from the conference. I think that it should be forfeited for more abuse prevention causes… I’m so happy the Peterno loses what he held so precious.

Truth

July 23rd, 2012
11:11 am

The sanctions are essentially the death penalty.

Can Georgia get some much needed help here?

Ron

July 23rd, 2012
11:12 am

All these Little Ceasars in charge of these mammoth programs need to be reeled in. Remember John Goodman’s character in “Revenge of the Nerds”? He reminds me of several present day coaches, a few of them in close proximity to Atlanta.

hirejongruden

July 23rd, 2012
11:12 am

CMR should stand for can’t manage recruiting.
Walk ons don’t win championships. Great coaches don’t undersign classes.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:12 am

Jeff, what do you think the ramifications are for other changes: The Big 10 letting Penn State go; a Memorial erected some day over a torn down Lasche Building and changing the Penn State Uniforms as I see Sandusky now every time I see a clip of the football team…..

yeller bug

July 23rd, 2012
11:13 am

I guess the NCAA will never use the death penalty again. That mindset has pluses and minuses—the death penalty does create a lot of collateral damage to the innocent. In most cases as in this case, the problem is due to the horrific actions of a few. That said, if a case warranted a death penalty—this one did.

KingGator

July 23rd, 2012
11:14 am

Miami where are you? Get Ready. Your turn is coming up next. You can’t run, and you can’t hide

GStateBen

July 23rd, 2012
11:14 am

So what about the 12 programs that would have to scramble for games now that Penn State would have shut their program down? Fall camps for some schools start in less than two weeks.

It’s not that simple to stop competition.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:14 am

HIREJONGRUDEN – did you not here Mark Emmert today about Universities better achieve better balance between Academics and sports… We are just fine with Mark Richt…

Bill Stanfill

July 23rd, 2012
11:14 am

I agree, Jeff. All those who are saying these sanctions are worse than the Death Penalty are simply parroting what they saw in a headline.

We know what happened to SMU after their football program was suspended. And we know what has happened to football programs that have been banned from bowls and had their scholarships cut, ie., Southern Cal. Multiply that times 2 or 3 and you have some idea of what will happen to Penn State.

Tough penalties handed down today? Yes. Equivalent to or worse than the Death Penalty? Not even close.

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
11:14 am

Gomdawg — Yes, Georgia and any other school can go after Penn State players who wish to transfer, and players don’t have to redshirt a year.

gtg

July 23rd, 2012
11:15 am

The death penalty would have done the same thing to the big ten as it did to the southwest conference. So no absolutely not the death penalty would have punished several other schools not just Penn state. You are letting your emotions get the better of you

gomdawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

THANKS, Bobdawg i’m with you 100%

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

I was in favor of a one year death penalty but when looking at these penalties I think its appropriate. A death penalty only hurts current players, the various vendors, and current students. We are mostly punishing others and current people at that for the sins of 4 people committed in the past. It does nothing to address the 3 people left who are responsible.

But a 4 year bowl ban and a whopping 40 schollys lost is absolutely brutal and will devastate the program for the next 8 years. I remember when we were devastated with the loss of 21 schollys over 3 years and how bad Miami was over losing 15 schollys. I can’t imagine how bad their program is going to be losing 40 schollys over 4 years. Total decimation and almost as bad as what a 1 year death penalty would have been.

Jeff you may not think the penalties are serious enough but with 40 schollys lost I can tell you they are severely screwed for almost a decade. And the vacating of wins is also a slap in the face that will be a forever reminder when people reflect on Penn State’s all time legacy.Same with Paterno.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

Jeff, I like what Jesse Palmer said… this is worse than the death penalty… in 4 years there will only be walk-ons playing at PSU. Will take 8 years to see them in a bowl game again, if ever… This may work out to be worse than the death penalty….

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

Kappelmesiter — I’m with you. Janitors should’ve said something and pursued it, but obviously was an intimidating atmosphere there and people feared repercussions.

eaglenationrising

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

I have believed for some time that the staff of Mark Rich is complacent and lazy. However, Georgia lost their starting running back (Crowell). I can only pray that Georgia coaches are on the phone with the high school coaches of Silas Redd, who rushed for 1241 yards last season. It is that simple. We are known as Running Back U. Surely, Georgia should be a logical place for Silas Redd to play next season. My guess is Mark Richt and his staff will be the last school to reach out to Redd.

DIT

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 am

Gruden has already said a while back that he is not interested in coching college football. He has a cushy job now, why ruin it.
It will be interesting to see how quickly other coaches go after their players. They have some good ones. Because of one man’s rude acts and decisions (putting it mildly) the rest of the university is going to have to pay the price. Look at all of the groups on campus that are affiliated with the football team. Those clubs will now be shut down.
I feel for all the fans and Alumni. This will follow them where ever they go, but mostly feel for the victims because no matter the penalty or any monitary funds given for compensation what happned to them years back can’t be erased. My God be with them for old wounds have been opened wide up!

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 am

Sad day for college sports. I feel for all the Penn State grads/students who have to endure this tragedy.

gomdawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 am

Jeff do you think Georgia will go after any of the players ?

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 am

Death Penalty is too MUCH.

This is bad but OK.

Did what just happened at Penn St make them moving to the ACC much easier?
If the Big 10 bans them from TV I think the ACC moves FAST to get Penn St.

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
11:18 am

JJ — The vacating of wins is “symbolic” obviously. Games have been played. But $60 million is a lot of money. Still, yes, they can recover from that with their alumni base.

Youkiddingme?

July 23rd, 2012
11:18 am

Ir is an election year. This is so much worse fhan steroids in baseball. Can congressional involvement be far away?

PMC

July 23rd, 2012
11:19 am

So students, coaches, players, business owners etc. They just become further victims of Sandusky.

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
11:19 am

Truth — “The sanctions are essentially the death penalty.”

We disagree.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:20 am

5150 TOAD…. not sure if you are a Tech fan, but why would any conference want PSU right now??? To beat them 60-0???? every time you play them the Sandusky comments and stench of the whole affair will be a lead up to the actual game…. Do you really want that in your conference???

eaglenationrising

July 23rd, 2012
11:20 am

FYI: I am unaware of exactly how many scholarships are available for the Dawgs (obviously, the Isaiah Crowell scholarship should be available). However, Georgia should be on the horn with folks in Connecticut (home of Penn State’s top running back Silas Redd – 1241 yards rushing as a sophomore & no top tier quarterback to stretch defenses). The staff of the Dawgs should be reaching out to offensive line (experience would do wonders for Georgia in that area), defensive linemen (depth) & wide receivers if the Dawgs have additional scholarships. For goodness sake, Mark Richt. GET TO WORK!!!

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
11:21 am

Penn St deserves receiving these harsh penalties. They deserve the harshest penalties since the Pony Express. Paterno knew He had a Monster on his staff & decided to turn the other cheek.(sorry)
These penalties will set Penn St back a minimum of 10 yrs.
SMU has still not over-come their penalties from 25+ yrs ago.
The NC2A no longer uses the term “death penalty”, however this is it for Penn St.
Next up for the NC2A is the U. The U will likely get something similar to Penn St minus the $60mil fine. Miami will probably lose 10 scholly’s per season over the next 4 or 5 yrs plus a minimum 3 yr Bowl Ban.

On a personal note, I hope Bobby Bowden will rightfully re-claim the title of winning-est College Football Coach, unless of course someone has something on Mickey Andrews!!
Every game Paterno won with Sandusky on the staff should be vacated.

Mike S.

July 23rd, 2012
11:21 am

I personally thought they should get the death penalty, but this is still severe none the less.

Browncoat

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Well, I feel for all the children who were raped.

LeadBlocker

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Jeff,

Right on.

ESPN has poll, nationally, about 50% feel NCAA acted appriately, 11% say over-reacted, 22% say was too lenient.

I’m with you, and say, too many children were victimized.

Penn St got off easy, should have been death penalty for 2 years.

gatorboy62

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

the program should have been shutdown. In the fall we should organize and boycott all PSU games. Let’s see them play in an empty stadium.

markie mark

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Jeff, I was in agreement with you on the death penalty, until I saw a discussion on the economic toll this would take on hotel/motel operators, vendors, etc. in the area…..I wanted the university to hurt for this, not the surrounding business community. For this reason, and this alone, I think not going to the “death penalty” was justified…..

Heisenberg

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Janitors would have been protected under whistle blower statutes. Maybe they were not smart enough to know that or they would have had a job other than janitor.

Another question is : Will this change the culture at Ohio State, USC, Alabama, LSU, & others? I doubt it.

PMC

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Why take them back to 1998? Why not investigate and see if he knew back to 1972. I mean the guy started the Second Mile in what 1978?

eaglenationrising

July 23rd, 2012
11:24 am

@ gomdawg: Georgia has been very slow in recruiting top players within the state. Georgia will go after the Penn State players. The problem with Mark Richt and his staff is that they will go after players long after many other top programs reach out to them. We should be all over Silas Redd (Penn State running back). This kid should be connected with Herschel Walker IMMEDIATELY. If we have 3-4 open scholarships, we should be all over Redd and a few “experienced” linemen. These kids gravitate to top programs.

LeadBlocker

July 23rd, 2012
11:24 am

UGA’s new str & conditining coahc, is form Penn St, so he might know a lot of the kids who mighT transfer to UGA.

We have about 20 scholarships available.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
11:25 am

You glorify Mark Emmert way too much in this blog. He laid the hammer down on Penn State because they were an easy target and an easy chance for them to assert their authority. It was all a dog and pony show that the NCAA had no business being involved in. Penn State deserved harsh things to happen, but not by a corrupt third party organization who was just trying to make headlines in the papers.

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
11:25 am

And remember this, if you are ever caught covering up years of child rape, don’t ever lie about tatoos.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:25 am

So an organization that has been taking advantage of/exploiting kids for years is now the great defender . Hilarious and ridiculous.

Some of the last desperate gasps of a soon to be irrelevant(hopefully) group of leechers.

That being said I still believe PSU should have voluntarily shut things down for awhile. I can’t imagine being a fan or player this year and trying to be enthusiastic about it. The stench needs time to clear.

RLJ

July 23rd, 2012
11:26 am

The death penalty would have been merciful. This is damaging for a long time to come.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

Its not quite as bad as the death penalty but nearly as bad. Losing 40 schollys means they are screwed for the better part of a decade. If it was me I would rather get the pain over with and have gotten the death penalty for this upcoming season with no transfers without a 1 year sit for the players and reduced schollys of 20 schollys for 3 years as opposed to 40 over 4 years. You would at least get to keep most of your players since not a lot of them would transfer knowing they would just have to sit out a year anyway.

In the case of SMU they were allowed to transfer to another school without having to sit out a year. In the case of Penn State a lot of sophomores and jrs probably would have just stayed and finished out their careers rather than transfer and sit out a year.

A scholly reduction of 20 you can still recover from and field average teams that can even get to 6-6 or 7-5 and go bowling within 3-4 years and then build for the future. But 40 schollys over 4 years means you are screwed for a long, long time. Penn State will not be competitive again until the 2020s.

VINCE

July 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

UGA should go after some of these players. Hope Richt hasnt promised scholarships to Billy Joe walk-on from Harira. What a joke

eaglenationrising

July 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

No college program can literally call Penn State players. These player have to go through the transfer process, which includes the player seeking transfers. They must be allowed to transfer. An institution can deny a transfer and most do within the conference. Big 10 programs (i.e. Wisconsin) have blocked up to 20 programs in the past. Georgia has to reach the players high school coaches who can then get the word to the players. Georgia can not speak to any player on the Penn State roster until they are “permitted” to speak to Georgia. My guess is Penn State will grant all transfers…even within the conference.

PLEASE GET TO WORK MARK RICHT!!! We need experienced offensive linemen, depth on defense and another RB.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:28 am

GTBOB – Absolutely correct.

Bob in Buford

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

This was not worse than the death penalty, that’s just a catch phrase for the media. I would have thought 15 scholarships over 4 years would have been better. I’m glad they gave current and incoming players a free pass out. This situation involved the entire school, the culture as Emmert put it. Vacating the wins were a nice cherry on top of the humble pie. However, this situation was worse than that at SMU. I don’t think we’ll ever see the death penalty again. Those people who said they couldn’t get penalty because games have already been scheduled are missing the point. Football is not the end all be all.

Mike

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

So here the final count if you combined what the NCAA and B1G did to them

73 mil total GONE(From NCAA and Big 10 Bowls)
Up to 40 schol gone
Cant go over 65 schol in four years (all sports), D-IAA cant go over 63 schol
5 years prob
4 years Bowl and B1G Champ Game Bowl
Immediate transfers for players to different place and dont have to sit a yaar

Death Penalty it is not but when you added on the lawsuit that PSU is going to get and they are going get hammered with that. This isnt a death penatly at all but its going to feel like one for PSU.

Heisenberg

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

Wonder what Bill O’Brien is thinking now? Hello Coach Belichek? Can I have my old job back?

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

You dogs crack me up inquiruing about any Penn State players coming to GA.

The Big 10 is slow, remember. You need somebody fast to have any chance against Clowney let alone Vanderbilt.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

“These kids gravitate to top programs.”

Then what makes you think Penn St. players would transfer to UGA?

Herschel Talker

July 23rd, 2012
11:30 am

Obama will blame George Bush for this.

Joey

July 23rd, 2012
11:31 am

Boy, in year 3 of these penalties, Penn St will have to field a team with as few scholarship players as UGA has for this season . . .

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:32 am

“Jeff do you think Georgia will go after any of the players ?”

1: Why would UGA get any of those players?

2: Why would those players not transfer to other Big10 schools?

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:32 am

This is weird. All the dawg fans can do is crow about getting some Penn St. players to possibly transfer to UGA. Dawg fans are like scavengers. Kinda sick.

Mike

July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

edit, not all sports only football.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

If the NCAA now wants to open the morals and honesty door, maybe they ought to look at the way they have been exploiting college athletes for their own personal gain for all these years.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

Jeff,

PSU got hit with a 60 million dollar fine. That right there IS the death penalty on top of all the lawsuits that are beginning to pour in from kids who were raped by Sandusky. Penn State, as a University, may not survive this at all.

Hap Hines

July 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

Had Penn St. gotten the death penalty Shultz would be writing that it was too harsh. This idiot is so predictable. Sorta makes me miss Terence Moore’s racist ramblings.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

” Dawg fans are like scavengers. Kinda sick.”

Yeah, that’s exactly like like politicians who are calling for more gun control after a madman shot up a theater full of people.

Ray

July 23rd, 2012
11:35 am

LOL @ the fact NCAA thinks this is any kind of punishment okay okay looking at this step by step.

1. $60 mil fine on PSU that’s the equivalent of an NBA player paying $100,000 fine in my eyes. What makes it worse some rich donor/alums might pay that for them.

2. 4 year postseason ban okay I don’t agree with the length thought maybe more like 8 years would be better.

3. Scholarship reductions okay that’s cool, but again should be much worse.

4. Vacated wins from 1998-2011 this didn’t do anything to me in my eyes they may have changed it, but it still stands Joe Pa was still winningest coach in D1. Especially now that he’s dead.

For all it’s worth they could have done much better then this.

More like $600 mil fine, 8 year ban like I said earlier, football shut down for 2 years entirely, scholarship reduced to only a few, and 10 year probation.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
11:35 am

Bob — the NC2A is the governing/ruling body over 1200 Institutions including Penn St.
Yes, they had every right to hand down punishment against one of their member Institutions that broke the law.
No, I don’t think they wanted any of this to happen just so they could get some “head-lines” in the paper.

a country boy can survive

July 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

uga better reign in these rogue professors or they will be next..

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

“exploiting college athletes for their own personal gain for all these years.”

How does one “exploit” college athletes?

It'sallaboutwins

July 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

You’ve got to bne amazed with the bulldog nation response. How can this benefit us. Can we get some of their players. Really sad.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:37 am

“$60 mil fine on PSU that’s the equivalent of an NBA player paying $100,000 fine in my eyes.”

No wonder the state of GA leads the nation in people who suck at math.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

Ray,

The vacated wins puts Bobby Bowden way ahead of Paterno so Bowden will now be the winningest coach in ncaa history at the D1 level.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

“More like $600 mil fine, 8 year ban like I said earlier, football shut down for 2 years entirely, scholarship reduced to only a few, and 10 year probation.”

That makes no sense.

Dawggirl

July 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

Looking at the bigger picture when considering the Death Penalty…if they’d completely shut down the football program, local businesses would’ve suffered even more than they will now. Gotta figure there will be a lot of lost ticket sales as a result of these sanctions, but at least the locals will have some business boost from football Saturdays…even if it’s the Penn State fans crying in their beers. With the economy where it is, every little bit helps.

Falls City Bulldawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

Right behind you, Jeff. For victims, you either shutter the program that empowered pedophilia or you don’t. Anything less is considered a slap on the wrist.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:39 am

I know a lot of people on this blog are not smart. What you goofballs don’t understand is that there are a lot of lawsuits headed PSU’s way via rape victims. That alone will most likely shut the school down in a few years. Enrollment will also go down due to this event.

Macon Mike

July 23rd, 2012
11:39 am

Why would a Penn State player transfer to UGA? A downward move..lateral move would be to Indiana…upward move to LSU, Bama, USC.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:40 am

“Why would a Penn State player transfer to UGA?”

red panties.

It'sallaboutwins

July 23rd, 2012
11:40 am

One has to be amazed at the bulldog nation response. How can we benefit from the mess at Penn State. Sa, really sad.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:40 am

“How does one “exploit” college athletes?”

By giving them a free education with free room and board, professional coaching, training, and nutrition to train for making millions at the next level, and by making them objects of adulation on college campuses so that they are exploited into having to date the hottest women on campus amongst other fringe benefits.

Heisenberg

July 23rd, 2012
11:40 am

So that would make Bobby Bowden the coach with the most wins all time. Probably not the way he would have wanted that distinction to be his, but there it is anyway.

RakkasanDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

Jeff,
While I still struggle with the enormity of the sanctions, I take to task your argument of penalties against professors and such. Two case and points were the UGA professors, one who cross-dressed to illicit sex, and the other who tried to purchase sex. In either case neither offender was really sanctioned. In fact, one will be allowed to finish his tenure WITH full pay. Well you can argue that it is the result of a signed contract or union dealings, however you and I both know that it is bogus. More case and point the failing APS schools and cheating. While some administrators were fired, a good number are still employed and will never be touched.
In your field, do we fire journalist who make false comparisons i.e. ABC’s Brian Ross’s idiotic link of the Tea Party to the Aurora shooter or CNN’s link of Sarah Palin or Talk Radio to the Arizona shooter? No I think not. You journalists and your pontificating fall on deaf ears as you guys rarely self-sanction nor stick your neck out to call out miscreants within your profession.
I get the pile on. Penn State acted in a horrible way. After all these sancions, the NCAA might as well have given the institution the death penalty. You and I can agree to disagree on that point however falsely comparing sanctions against other public institutions and coaching is a stretch.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

“The vacated wins puts Bobby Bowden way ahead of Paterno so Bowden will now be the winningest coach in ncaa history at the D1 level.”

That is true.

DIT

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

“All the dawg fans can do is crow about getting some Penn St. players to possibly transfer to UGA. Dawg fans are like scavengers. Kinda sick.”

Please don’t put MOST of the UGA people under your “All” at the begining of your statement. If you don’t know the difference between a couple and “All” I suggest you go back to 1st grade!

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

“One has to be amazed at the bulldog nation response. How can we benefit from the mess at Penn State. Sa, really sad.”

Like I said earlier. Its kinda sick.

South Ga Gold

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

I think the NCAA over reaches its boundries with this. If I were Penn State, I would appeal and bring about a law suit, following seeking a injuction. The NCAA is suppose to regulate atheletic programs to ensure a level playing field. This case or the cover up, has nothing to do with giving Penn State a unfair competitive advantage. So now that the NCAA is imposing sanction in criminal and civil cases then any coach, player, athletic program employee who is charged with a DUI, or sexual assualt, or whatever, now the NCAA can remove scholarships and sanction the school? Everyone wants something done, mostly because you dont know where to direct your anger, but this is not and should not be within the NCAA’s power. The sad part is Penn State probably wont fight it because they simply want all the bad press to go away and for the story to die. I cry foul. The NCAA is wrong in this case.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:42 am

Tide Rising

EXACTLY!!!!! I like your style even if I do hate your school. War Eagle/Roll Tide!

Dr. Welby will see you now

July 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

UGA fanbase already picking the bones from the corpse. If your sainted coach Richt were doing his job, you wouldn’t have to depend on the misfortune of others. Pathetic staff, pathetic fanbase.

OleBallCoach

July 23rd, 2012
11:45 am

Yep, UGA should go after the cream of the crop at PSU so those fellows can also follow the footsteps and careful guidance provided to Crowell, Ealey, King, to name a few.

So any of the PSU players that want to jump to UGA can plan on similar guidance and career path, lol.

scholarships?

July 23rd, 2012
11:45 am

Can someone explain the scholarships deduction. I keep hearing different numbers. Is PSU losing 20 scholarships per season? For some reason others keep saying 40 over year years.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
11:45 am

Yes, they had every right to hand down punishment against one of their member Institutions that broke the law.

I disagree completely. The NCAA is not the law, and Penn State did not violate any NCAA bylaws. What we basically learned today is that the NCAA can punish any athletic program at any time for anything they want. If Nick Saban runs a red light, the NCAA can punish Alabama for it. The punishment for breaking the law should not randomly from from an athletic association who is just making up penalties that they think will look good.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:45 am

DIT,

Maybe not all dawg fans. But sadly the first thing you see from not one but several dawg fans on here is “Can we get some of their recruits to transfer here”. Penn St. has just been kicked in the gut, their whole fan base and players are demoralized, and all several of the dawg posters on here can think about is scavenging their players.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:46 am

Well-
Start with this

“The conditions of the athletic scholarship and transfer rules, prohibitions against agents, limits on due process, failure to deliver on the promise to educate, the unobstructed selling of athlete images, and the like are tools of exploitation that benefit college sport leaders while oppressing those who perform on the field.”

Try a book titled “the Shame of College Sports” by Taylor Branch or a book by ex NCAA exec Walter Byers. You may not see it that way, but plenty of people do.

DIT

July 23rd, 2012
11:46 am

Tide Rising – again there are a couple… not all. However, I agree any of them that are more concerned about how to “benefit” from this situation are idiots. I know that most Dawgs don’t feel that way.

DP

July 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

Jeff, I believe Emmert’s comment would be “horribly awry” instead of “horribly array”, at least I hope so.

a country boy can survive

July 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

@South Ga Gold

they probably won’t go after uga’s rogue professors….but they should.

snellville jacket

July 23rd, 2012
11:48 am

Jeff I appreciate your comments, but is not the best way to get the attention is to close down all of the sports programs for a period of years. The administration runs the entire sports program and make it such a penalty that no one would ever forget.

waynester

July 23rd, 2012
11:48 am

It’s not enough. The penalty could never match the crime, but should be so harsh that it puts the “Fear of G-d” into every athletic program in the country and will be looked back on as a constant reminder of what happens when $$$ are placed above kids’ lives.
ps
Every other school in the country knew these Penn players would be transferring–it’s not just UGA fans that are looking greedily at the PS roster–the ‘Bama fan who posted earlier is being hypocritical as hell, considering how aggressive Saban is when it comes to player acquisition….

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:48 am

rivercard

A lot of athletes go on to lucrative careers in either pro sports, management or something else. It’s a two-way street and ALL of these athletes are grown ups who can either choose to play or not to play. When you turn 18 years old you’re an adult.

End of story.

Frank Lane

July 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

We should be in Happy Valley now talking to offensive linemen.

George Stein

July 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

Please. Who is being punished here, and what did he/she/they do wrong?

This article and the punishment are insults to my intelligence. They are essentially punishing child rape with scholarship reductions. All this culture change crap is absolute nonsense. Cultures will change when people stop turning on the tv, showing up at stadiums, and networks stop writing multi-billion dollar checks. Until then, the culture will remain the same.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

Tide Rising
“By giving them a free education with free room and board, professional coaching, training, and nutrition to train for making millions at the next level, and by making them objects of adulation on college campuses so that they are exploited into having to date the hottest women on campus amongst other fringe benefits.”

When your talking billions of dollars that equates to paying you minimum wage to perform heart surgery.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

“What we basically learned today is that the NCAA can punish any athletic program at any time for anything they want”

Nope. We learned a long time ago that the NCAA is a corrupt organization that sets out arbitrary and capricious judgements and punishments. In our case and in the case of Miss. State they had an investigator that was proven by court documents to manufacture evidence. And while folks think Jerry Tarkanian was a bad guy what they don’t realize is that Tark successfully sued the NCAA for millions and won big time. This is an organization that in their zeal to get Tark they threatened a transfered Sudanese player that if he didn’t go along with manufactured evidence that they would deport him and his family back to war torn Sudan where they would likely be killed. That’s how nasty and despicable the NCAA is. Not saying Penn St. didn’t deserve severe punishment. I’m just saying that the folks handing down the punishment aren’t exactly clean themselves. The NCAA is not an organization that would stand up to congressional nor public scrutiny.

DIT

July 23rd, 2012
11:51 am

George Stein – Great Post!

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

Well,

If they could go directly to NFL from high school I might give your point more credence.

George Stein

July 23rd, 2012
11:54 am

Thanks, DIT.

alpha male

July 23rd, 2012
11:54 am

50 arrests in 4 years. Maybe Mr. Emmert should take a trip down to Butts-Mehre and hand out some penalties to the SEC’s most out of control program.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

Well — the idea that College Athletes, in particular Football or Basketball Players, are being “exploited” is 100% BS.
I don’t care how much money some liberal goon throws around in terms of how much $$ the University’s make “off” these players.
They get a free education(which btw, is better than 50% of the population), free meals, free housing……plus important development if in fact a Pro sports career is their future.
Take Rueben Foster(y’all already have!!) as an example — the guy has a 3 yr old daughter, he comes from nothing, football is the only chance he has to get an education & how He plays in College will determine his draft status in the NFL. The opportunity given to him to attend a university & play football is enough of a reward. College Athletes should not get paid & they are not being exploited.

Mike

July 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

But Jeff, I was think that this isnt over by a long shot besides NCAA and B1G throw down punishment, then there is a little matter called Department of Education and then there is the AAU as well, I dont think that they will be keeping that status. Its going to be dark days for PSU.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
11:56 am

Alpha Male-

Seems to me this type of overstepping of jurisdiction opens up those type of possibilities.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

“If they could go directly to NFL from high school I might give your point more credence.”

A lot of them get a free education. That alone is a nice tradeoff.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

rivercard,

The players get a fair share. What do you want? Do you basically just want to make them pro players and pay them? And how would you pay them. Do all the players get paid the same- the 4th teamer the same as a Trent Richardson? And how much? Kinda hard to tell a kid working part time or full time at McDonalds while going to school that not only does a football player get all his stuff paid for but also makes money playing ball but this kid has to work to pay for his school.

And do the players pay anything for all the professional instruction that they receive? The modern nutrition plans, the state of the art training facilities and team doctors? The free TV publicity via ESPN highlights? The massive stadium and its upkeep? How much is that PR worth from TV? How about that coaching instruction. If the players went off on their own could they afford to hire Nick Saban plus a position coach plus a strength coach to give them personalized training for the next level? How much is that worth? Add it all up and they get lots of benefits.

alpha male

July 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

In the case of UGA, it would be justified. Outlaw programs need to be reigned in from outside if the institution fails to do so itself.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
11:59 am

Big Crimson 75

I 100% agree with you. I’ve never thought that athletes were exploited in any ways. How many kids has football/baseball/basketball turned poor kids into rich kids?

Answer: A LOT.

Jefferson Davis Hogg

July 23rd, 2012
11:59 am

@ GTBob…..I think the NCAA has every right to step in here..The cover up was for the purpose of protecting their precious fooball program of which the NCAA oversee’s. …Also there is a term that they use called ” lack of institutional control”….Thats the big one and its obvious from top to bottom there was lack thereof

Well

July 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

The one thing I’ll never understand is how a kid gets a full ride to a major university and then throws it all away due to stupid actions.

gomdawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Ok I was one that suggested that we check in to some of the player fro Penn St. First some of these players will be leaving , second we do have scholarships open and last any of you that don’t like that can kiss my azzz.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
12:03 pm

Tide,

If they would let players have a choice of going to NFL at any time I could be swayed to your view.

Although I still think players should be compensated for anything sold using their name or image.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
12:05 pm

“Although I still think players should be compensated for anything sold using their name or image.

Why?

Stinger2

July 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

Some of the reactions here are not realizing the fact that the actual guilty
parties to this tradgedy have been (Sandusky) or will be punished by the law and spend many years in jail. For this reason, the NCAA action was harsh enough from that Body. In addition Penn State will be punished for years to come in other ways that we con`t know about yet.

alpha male

July 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

This is a second chance for the players at Penn State to get it right. Don’t magnify their first mistake (going to PSU) by bringing them into an anything goes program like UGA.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm

rivercard,

Just think about the personalized instruction of the coaching staff, the team doctors, the facilities the players have to train, etc. But to make the math easy lets look at the professional coaching instruction that these players benefit from.

Let’s take Bama for example. Take Nick Saban’s 4 million dollar salary plus Kirby Smart’s salary plus all the other assistants. Without adding it up I’m thinking the total salaries are probably around 8 million. Divided by 85 scholly players that comes out to $94,000 worth of free instruction per year per player that they don’t have to pay for. And that’s coaching alone and not including all the other benefits of the program not to mention the free education, room and board, etc. Add in all the tangible benefits and you’re probably looking at a minumum of $150,000 worth of economic benefit that each player is getting per year when you add in the rest of the staff, the facilities, medical care, room and board, education, etc. And as I said that doesn’t even include the PR benefit and television exposure of playing for a big time collegiate athletic program. How much would it cost if you’re a premier player and you had to pay on your own for the television exposure that ESPN highlight reels give you for the next level? You can’t even calculate that its so high.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
12:08 pm

Also there is a term that they use called ” lack of institutional control”….Thats the big one and its obvious from top to bottom there was lack thereof

That is the big joke in this. The lack of institutional control clause basically gives the NCAA free reign on anything they feel like. Anything can fit in that clause. Would you be ok with it if the NCAA gave UGA the death penalty for their recent discipline problems? Would that not fit into lack of institutional control? The NCAA should have well defined bylaws that schools adhere to. They shouldn’t be able to give any random punishment they feel like for anything they feel deserves it. Any organization that makes up rules as they go is a bit of a joke.

Baddabing

July 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm

The Death Penalty would have been cleaner and more appropriate but I understand the NCAA’s thoughts about all the little people who would have been affected. The grounds people, vendors, staffs who had nothing to do with this will take a hit but hopefully most will have jobs. The wounds of this story will take a long time to heal and every game that is played there will have a pall on it. If it serves to remind not only colleges with big league athletic programs but everyone about the tragedy of child abuse and doing the right thing then some good will come of it.

alpha male

July 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Would you be ok with it if the NCAA gave UGA the death penalty for their recent discipline problems?

why not? It’s a public safety issue.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm

GTBOB, I like the fact that the NCAA “nudged” PSU after they would do it themselves… As Christine Brennan said, they are living in the Bronze Age…. It also tells schools that live in the Bronze Age that those statues can come down pretty quickly if programs go awry…..

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm

“Although I still think players should be compensated for anything sold using their name or image.”

Premiere players are compensated. Its called media exposure and it ratchets up their marketability to the pro level. You and I cannot even measure how much their pro draft potential goes up every time ESPN or CSS or someone shows them in a highlight reel. Do you have any idea how valuable that exposure is and how expensive it would be to get it on your own? By virtue of playing for that school in those big time games they get that exposure. Lots of it. And not just television but print media and electronic media such as the internet. Its dang near priceless.

Tumbledown

July 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

Children were cruelly victimized. Powerful people sacrificed human decency all for the football program. Countless moral and legal crimes were committed. Yet, all a few care about is how the Penn St. sutuation can benefit Bulldogs football. Have we learned nothing? It is not about football, people. It is about human decency, respect, and always doing the right thing even when it is difficult.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

rivercard
July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

If the NCAA now wants to open the morals and honesty door, maybe they ought to look at the way they have been exploiting college athletes for their own personal gain for all these years.
========================================

The Commish said Football cannot be ahead of Education!
Hahahha
Emmert and the NCAA then needs to make ALL schools have the SAME entrance Policy. the same Drug testing Policy. the SAME penalties for rules Violations.
The NCAA just PROVED that they are a JOKE once again.
The MURDER at Baylor and attempted cover up was over looked by the NCAA.

puntthemarxist

July 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

Well–you feel Sorry for psu fans for this “tragedy”? Pay no mind to the kids who were raped. That’s where your feelings of sorrow should go.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

.. Meant “not do it themselves”….

pfffft

July 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

so we are going to punish the football program when it was university administrators who covered things up? why isn’t every program at penn state being punished? are we forgetting that pedophile was an “ex” coach when he was discovered to be molesting young boys? we want to crucify joe pa but we give the asst coach who saw him having sex with a kid and left the locker room, doing nothing to help the kid, a free pass along with applauding his actions of telling the head coach the next day? then to top it off almost everyone here is thinking great we can steal some of their players. players from a team that supposedly fostered a atmosphere of child molestation? really folks pick a side of the fence and stick with it. they are punishing a football program that had nothing to do with it, and letting the real perpetrators (the entire administration) off the hook. plus UGA fans want to benefit from their misfortune. you tell me who the real offenders of putting their football team above the safety of children are?

Ted Striker

July 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I was molested as a juvenile. So I have perspective on this topic and well…sometimes perspective stinks. You can’t unring a bell once it’s been dropped on your head. It literally is, what it is.

That said, I don’t see myself as a living “victim.”

I picture myself as a man who is a better person, a more humble individual, and more of a PROTECTOR of those who maybe can’t protect themselves. I’m in tune to look out for others and well, that’s sorta cool. It rocks.

I’m a better man for whatever scars I have. My personal hell made me more tender and accepting and understanding of others who have suffered and influenced me to change the world, as I can, for the better.

Re: NCAA decision.

The penalties are steep and appropriate. Would I have been surprised to see the program shuttered? I’d not have raised objections however I think the NCAA nailed this decision.

I don’t care about an empty stadium. The hell with symbolism.

Caveat: If a single victim said shutter the stadium and don’t play a down of football in 2012…do it. Do not let it happen. I hope the NCAA consulted them.

However otherwise here is what I care about.

I care about the hotel employees (people with families and bills making $8 an hour) who would suffer if there no games. I care about the servers at the cafes who wouldn’t get their tips and extra shifts if there were no game day the next day. I care about the business owner who maybe sells an extra t-shirt in his shop when his rent isn’t going down whether there is football game or not. I care about the people.

Screw Sandusky. (And he will probably get it in prison). Screw the officials that covered up. (And they will do their walks of shame in court and in the grocery stores).

However the NCAA got this right. They didn’t kill Penn State. Penn State will bounce back. It’ll be a while but they’ll bounce back. How long has it been since the Reggie Bush sanctions? Where is USC ranked this season?

Macon Mike

July 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

hey tide rising, your arguement is a bit too complex for these UGA fans. Think you could come up with a Sesame Street or Blues Clues analogy?

SameOld

July 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm

NCAA going nuts on this one. I’ve never liked Penn State nor JoePa, but this just seems like overkill to me. What are the NCAA rules that are being used as the authority for this penalty? Where was any due process? How in the world does this kind of punishment impact Sandusky, a dead JoePa, and already fired university administrators? What role did any former, current, or future player have in this? How do you vacate wins for something that did not, in anyone’s wildest dreams, give PSU a competitive advantage?
YES, it was an AWFUL TERRIBLE OUTRAGEOUS series of events, and Sandusky deserves to sit in jail for the rest of his life, and the University, top administrators, and JoePa all deserve quite a black eye and to lose jobs, but these NCAA sanctions????? Totally nuts and void of real logic.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
12:18 pm

I gotta get out of here. Been an interesting discussion. One thing I would like to see that’s been written about very little is what kind of punishment the 3 men left who covered up for the molester are going to get? Seems to me these guys need some serious come uppance.

gdawginkalamazoo

July 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

The NCAA took Penn State to the showers….

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Well,

“Why?”

Same reason Nike pays Jordan to put his name on their shoes. It adds value to their product.

Read up on Ed O’Bannon for a good example of how this is abused. What do you think the return on investment has been for Georgia/NCAA on Herschel Walker? He didn’t need Georgia or NCAA. If allowed he could have gone straight to the pros(imho)

I get your point of view. I just don’t agree.

Athletic Supporter

July 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm

There are plenty of people involved with the football program that knew absolutely NOTHING about what was going on. It is apparently OK with you that they are guilty with no opportunity to prove their innocence. The NCAA has just created a whole new group of innocent victims while those who profitted will still suffer little for their crimes as accessories after the fact.

I hope for justice’s sake you never sit on a jury. You have a warped perspective on justice.

GT4EVER

July 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm

Tide Rising that is some BS.The Big 10 and SEC both made over 1 billion dollars http://businessofcollegesports.com/2012/07/20/sec-and-big-ten-schools-post-revenue-of-over-1-billion/
The football team brings in a lot of money,players are expected to go to class and get a degree just like regular students,but in their off time they are bringing in millions of dollars for the school by playing football.With the amount of cash being made off of football,you would think it prudent that the schools provide the kids with some quality training,facilities etc.The better product you put on the field,the more you win=more money you make.Most of these kids are not going to play pro ball, and by recent numbers almost half of them will never finish school.The football teams are still going to rake in millions every year regardless.The kids are being pimped by the schools

Dr. Phil

July 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm

Penn State did not gain an advantage on the field by covering up Sandusky’s behavior. All of the administrators who participated in the coverup should be fired and prosecuted. No minimum-wage custodian anywhere would stand up to a “legend” like Joe Paterno, so I find it hard to criticize them. They would have been fired and not have the resources to hire an attorney or the years involved in getting a settlement. The NCAA should ban rogue coaches in the way Judge Landis banned Shoeless Joe and his teammates. Too many successful cheaters just fly to another program. College presidents are the head of this snake, and too many foxes are watching the chickens.

WDE

July 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm

I think the 60 million is only half as effective in this form as it would have been with a one or two year “death penalty” the reason is Penn St will make most of that back this year from the very program being sanctioned..or am I missing something?

Old Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:25 pm

If ever a school deserved the Death Penalty does. I know many folks, including the NCAA, didn’t want to impact the local economy with the punishment. Local businesses thrive on game day attendance.

Yes, local businesses would have been hurt. Still, it’s nothing like the life-long struggles of the victims and their families. And, lest we forget, many of those business owners were upset that Paterno was fired last year, voicing their displeasure during campus protests and in front of the coach’s home.

Sorry, the pain and suffering of these victims won’t go away by eating Jo Pa’s ice cream!

SameOld

July 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

“If Jerry Sandusky was a chemistry professor and not a former high profile football, do you believe he would’ve been protected?”

If Jerry Sandusky was a chemistry professor and his chairperson had been covering up for him, Jerry and the chairperson would have been fired, Jerry would go to jail, and the chairperson could possibly be prosecuted. The university may have been open to various civil suits, etc., but would they have shut down the chemistry department? punished former, current and future chemistry students? fired or limited the activities of other chemistry professors that had nothing to do with it?

Jax Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Where does UGA need experience??? O-Line is #1 first and foremost.RB would also be nice.

FB Wonk

July 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Jeff: If you look back at Mark Emmert’s resume, you’ll see he was Chancellor at LSU when Gerry DiNardo was fired and Nick Saban hired. When asked about Mark Emmert’s support for his plans to upgrade LSU’s program, Saban said, “he never disappointed me.” Emmert was a significant part of the culture of “tail wagging dog.” that exists at many institutions of higher learning. Given that background, you should appreciate why PSU will not suffer death, with ressurection in a couple of years. Never mind the fact it would have skewed the average time for resurrection more than SMU.

GT4EVER

July 23rd, 2012
12:27 pm

The kids on PSU’s team were between 5 and 8 years old when Sundusky retired.The janitor and every other adult that had knowledge of this situation should go to jail.

Taxi Smith

July 23rd, 2012
12:27 pm

I agree; they should have shuit them down for a year, maybe two. What that school administration did was not only stupid, it was criminal. I hope the past president and AD also end up in jail. As for JoPa? He was the main actor in this mess; let him rot.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
12:27 pm

GTbob — who do you want punishing Penn St(assuming you feel punishment is deserved)?
If not the NC2A, then who?
Your precious American Government — since all your friends are running the show now!!……and by friends, I mean communist & socialist zealots!!!!!! :-)

George Stein

July 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Bingo, SameOld. Extremely well said.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm

Agree with Sameold.

Tear(ed) Down the Statue

July 23rd, 2012
12:31 pm

the NCAA did what it needed to do. reducing scholarships to 65, four year post season ban, allowing current athletes to transfer without penalty, and vacating the wins from ‘98-’11 is essentially a “death penalty”. this hiatus from “competitive” football allows PSU to remain in the Big 10 ($$$), but on life support. more importantly; it ends the “Paterno era” and all but ensures that the 2016 PSU football team will have no links to the past. and finally; Joe Paterno will not be “remembered” as the winningest coach in NCAA history. I am no fan of the NCAA, but I do agree that this case was unique; and to equate the crimes of PSU with SMU, USC, et al (strictly “competitive” in nature) would be “criminal”.

SMU1983

July 23rd, 2012
12:32 pm

As an SMU alum, I had hoped Penn State would join the Mustangs as the only two schools to get the “death penalty” in football. Instead, Penn State now gets the “slow-death penalty.” They get to continue playing football without any hope of either really competing or generating any revenue. They have to now find ways to fund all other sports (as the NCAA has stipulated Penn State cannot drop sports to fulfill the $60M levy imposed). They get to watch as other NCAA programs lure away their best players, as early as today. They get to try to recruit players for a tainted program that won’t be eligble for any post season play until the entering freshman class is beginning its final year of eligibility.

I am satisfied–not because Penn State got what my alma mater got 25 years ago. Rather, I am satisfied because death would have been quick and merciful. Having to continue living as a maimed cripple is worse than death…

Walker, Texas Ranger

July 23rd, 2012
12:34 pm

Jeff this is the death penalty. This program will never be heard from again. They will be Indiana, Northwestern and Minnesota’s whipping boys from now on. The only part I have a probelm with is that the other sports will end up paying the price for the football coverup since they are essentially financed by the football program and the students will have a bump in tuition because the large alumni base you are counting on just closed their wallets.

Chris

July 23rd, 2012
12:34 pm

The innocents go far beyond players and coaches. I was at first FOR the death penalty, but after i started thinking about the hotels and staffs, food venders and workers, and myriad of other folks that make their living off of Saturday Penn State Football. They do not deserve to suffer.

PreyDawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm

I agree with everything you said Jeff. Every word.

spider

July 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

NCAA is a total joke in my opinion, vacating wins proves nothng. now a team that was 5-7 in one of those year is now 6-6 and bowl eligible, can that team go back and ask to go to a bowl game now, of course not so what does vacating wins do?

HighTech

July 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

From StingTalk:

“Originally Posted by wesleyd21

PSU gets 5 years probation for child neglect

Georgia Tech got 4 years for $312 worth of clothing.

Seems about right.”

drew

July 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

Let it go Shultz…sometimes you can’t see the BIG picture…What about all the small business that rely on game day income just to make ends meet. Do they need to be punished for the actions of the holier than thou?
It’s funny how you can defend the Braves, Falcons, etc. over and over but just love to crucify ‘other’ institutions.

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm

That McQueary fellow is pathetic. Any one of us woulda punched Sandusky in the eye and called police.

DawgFan

July 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

What about Sandusky’s wife? She has covered for him through all this…she had to know something strange was going on. Unless she is blind she was aiding a criminal..

GT4EVER

July 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm

Hey Dawg88 the good book says that homosexuals and women who commit adultery should be stoned until death.Are we supposed to follow that too?

DawgFan

July 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm

HighTech, the bees got their time because the took an attitude with the NCAA and did not aide in the investigation….basically an attempt at coverup… which the NCAA comes down hard on.

[...] else I suppose, I was fascinated and a bit overwhelmed by the news out of Penn State this morning. Jeff Schultz offered his opinion on the ruling and people have been commenting on it on AJC.com all [...]

Tear(ed) Down the Statue

July 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm

spider, how does a team forced to vacate 5 wins (5-7) become “bowl eligible). the team becomes 0-7. the NCAA most certainly is a joke, but as previously noted, vacating the wins also strips Paterno of his title of “winningest coach” which evidence suggests was in part why he behaved the way he did. it doesn’t “kill” the PSU program so much as it kills Paterno’s legacy.

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm

Clothes are much more valuable than children to the NCAA….

collegeballfan

July 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm

“One of the grave dangers coming from our love of sports is that the sports themselves can become too big to fail, too big to even challenge. The result can be an erosion of academic values that are replaced by hero worship and winning at all costs.” Emmert.

I am afraid this comment applies to every major college football and basketball program. At to many institutions education is a distant second to sports in many alumni minds.

Maybe a new academic standing rule: a 3.0 average required to be a member of any NCAA sport team.

SEC Fact Finder

July 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm

This is something that happens at schools where the “Coaches” run the school. I still vividly remember that bungling new conference at Ohio State where the School President-E. Gordon Gee stated that he hoped then Head Football Coach “would not fire’ him. With the money being generated at the schools under practical “free labor”, we can expect to see dumb decisions being made at every level. But not to report a MAJOR crime to the state investigative authorites as the powers at PSU did is reprehensible.

I have something I want to address. That 60 MILLION Dollar fine that is going to be collected, How much of that money will be sent to Attorneys, Administration, and wasted instead of going to the programs that actually use them to better people lives? The NCAA should have gone a step further and REQUIRED Penn State to provide free legal services to insure the money is spent on children and the needs of the children. I just have a hard time seeing any fine, money collected ever really going to the children and programs who need it without a ton of waste involved.

The players, coaches and current staff are the ones who are going to suffer, and they did not do one thing wrong. They put their belief into a staff, and university that things were being doing correctly, that kids were graduating and the program was a good program. Now they are going to feel the brunt of having to get out and find a school( for those who may want to get to the next level of football) and spend their own resources to play for a program that may not have room for them this year.

The NCAA should have stated that any school that accepts a player from Penn State does not count against your current scholarship limits for entire time the student athlete is on on campus. This late in the year with only 38 days to kickoff does not leave these kids with much hope or recourse.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
12:46 pm

GTbob — who do you want punishing Penn St(assuming you feel punishment is deserved)?

The following would have made a lot more sense then the NCAA:

1. Penn State themselves
2. Lawmakers in Pennsylvania
3. The Governor of Pennsylvania.
4. The University system in Pennsylvania
5. The Department of Education
6. The U.S. Congress
7. The DOJ

You know, organizations that might actually have some jurisdiction over university and legal matters.

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

A player steals a Marino jersey and school gets 2 years probation. 15 boys are sodomized,raped,ruined for life and Penn St. gets 4 years? Infruckincredible…

Tear(ed) Down the Statue

July 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

hey, I have an idea. since the Paterno family is so dedicated to spinning this (and the Freeh report), why doesn’t PSU give them the statue and they can re-erect it in their front lawn. this way; all the delusional sycophants can burn candles and venerate JoePa(thetic), and the more militant anti-Pa types can leave PSU alone and do what they need to do.

Gary

July 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

I must say I love the folks here using the opportunity to bash CMR. Coach desparately trying to clean up a program and do the right things. “He has to go, we lost all these recruits”. The entire article is about the fact that if you put football above all else, bad things happen. Some of these UGA fans are morons. We have a great coach. He does whats right and he wins a lot of football games. You don’t like it, go root for bama. You are not needed in Athens on Saturday. I guessing it would be more like a change the channel fan on Saturday. Great school, great coach, good football. Go Dawgs.

Wilson Pickett

July 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Way too much from the NCAA as far as the current group of players and coaches. So in order to get back the damage for the children we then punish 105 current players and coaches. Only in America.

An Atlanta Dad is no real happy with auburn players….

http://reddingnewsreview.com/newspages/2012newspages/father_Auburn_12_10000071.htm

matt

July 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

I don t agree with the ncaa alot but i think for once they did get right taking football away from kids that didn teven have anything to do with this mess doesn t fix this problem. I like the fine thought it should be more because of what their going to do with it. I think the ncaa sent a message today that their not going to tolerate this type of behavior and that it will protect the people. I just pray those who jerry affected can find peace in all this and something like this never happens again.

Belcher

July 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm

This calls for a gut check at UGA!! The culture stinks!!!

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm

I hope Sandusky gets a ginormous arsewhipping by inmates in prison…

George Stein

July 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm

The NCAA has jurisdiction, GTBob, because Penn State is a member of the institution. I don’t think this punishment makes sense because the people punished here did nothing wrong (as opposed to just doing nothing).

This whole punishment is akin to a CEO falsifying reports to puff up a stock price and the SEC returning a punishment including a large fine and termination of 20% of the workforce.

Rudy Before Rudy was Cool

July 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Ballfan; better yet, why not eliminate pre-enrollement athletic scholarships and end “recruiting”? Student athletes would have to apply and gain be accepted for enrollment BEFORE considering participation in a varsity sport. once accepted; ANY student can “try out”. as a former D-1 walk-on who earned a scholarship (after 2 years), this makes sense to me. And think of all the $$ schools would save; and all the “jocks” can declare for the NFL after H.S. and we would have true “student-athletes” in the BCS, etc.

ole dawg

July 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Where in the world were the parents of these kids and what were they thinking? They apparently idolized Penn State so much that they were willing to allow their kids to be turned over to a monster (Sandusky) with no supervision! What type of punishment has the parents received for truly being terrible parents and helping to facilitate all this? All parties receiving punishment are justifiably receiving such. These parents willingly cast a blind eye on this.

I truly hope that the victims of these crimes can recover and have as normal a life as possible.

SEC Fact Finder

July 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm
That McQueary fellow is pathetic. Any one of us woulda punched Sandusky in the eye and called police.

I guess you do not know the pecking order of how it works at MOST Div 1 schools. As a graduate assistant( which he was at the time) you are the lowest form of body on the staff. You run coffee, you make copies, you draw up plays on poster boards for the scout team to run at the next practice, you get full time coaches meals, wash their cars, and tons of other tasks any full time staff member ask you to do. All you are doing is trying to make a name for yourself, show you have a good football I.Q. and you do not make dumb mistakes. I know that because for two years I did that at a major program and you are just looking to get someone to give you a chance. The guy he saw in that shower was the ’so-called’ heir apparent to Paterno until LATER in time Paterno told him he was not( apparently after Mc at gone to Paterno) and Sandusky was told to retire by some accounts.

Yeah he could have done more, but he did what he was suppose to do and went to the guys he was told to go to. You can throw blame at Mc but to lay it all on him is just not fair to a guy who BY all accounts did the right thing at the time.

South Ga Gold

July 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm

@Jefferson Davis Hogg
“lack of institutional control” doesnt apply here. The lack of institutional control is applable in regards to violation of NCAA rules. Such as the Athletic department, coaching staff, Compliance Officer or AD, doing nothing to prevent wide spread and repeated NCAA rule violations. That is a lack of institutional control. Penn State’s situations is a totally different matter.

Brandon

July 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

I think that the menu of penalties handed down was right on, and people have to realize that PSU football won’t recover for at least 8-10 yrs., so the penalties are 1 step short of the “death penalty”. Any current players and key recruits are gone, with Michigan and Ohio State the chief benefactors, so the immediate transfer eligibility piece was great, and a 4 yr. bowl/playoff ban is solid, plus Paterno now won’t have the honor/distinction of most wins in I-A. As a Michigan man, I have to say that PSU’s entrance into the Big Ten ultimately grades a solid “F”, and was probably a “C” at best pre-Sandusky. When PSU was coming in, the Big 10 thought it had its #3 blue chip in the bag, but they never became that #3 (the Kerry Collins team and the RB and LB lineage didn’t continue), with Wisconsin, Nebraska and MSU (in flashes) all surpassing PSU’s football contributions, and now with the Sandusky scandal and its attendant shame, PSU’s inclusion REALLY didn’t pan out. Academically, PSU is no NWestern, Michigan or Wisconsin, so there is no real help on that side of the ledger, and now they represent the shame and spectacle of football outweighing morality/ethics.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

“Well–you feel Sorry for psu fans for this “tragedy”? Pay no mind to the kids who were raped. That’s where your feelings of sorrow should go.”

Look jerk, you completely took my words out of context. I’ve already stated that this is a horrendous tragedy.

gbal

July 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm

I personally feel like the punishment they got is more severe than a one year death penalty.

$60M — One years FB revenue — In a good year, not a year like the one they are facing next year. ..or the next 4 to 5.

4 years no bowls
4 years cut scholorshiips – which will effect them for 6-8 years.

QUality of recruits will be off serverly for next 4 years. No shot at NC??? No way kids go to Penn St.

My guess they loose 25-35% of current players……

If I could choose my punishment, this or 1 year death penalty… I take the year and move on.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Dawg’88

You’re putting something out that there that has NOTHING to do with this tragedy. If PSU had aborted kids on campus that’d be a totally different story.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

SEC Fact Finder – You can justify it all you want, but the bottom line is McQueary left a child with an adult he witnessed raping him.

Shows zero concern for the child and makes him a despicable person from my point of view.

gbal

July 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Not saying they should have gone lighter now!

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Penn St……is not DEAD.
The NCAA is still a JOKE.
Institutional Control at UGa..with all the arrest….MURDER Cover up at Baylor….and the LIST goes on and on…..The NCAA is a JOKE. Why didn’t OHIO ST get MORE?

Resident Georgia Fan

July 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm

Now Penn State knows how it is to feel like Notre Dame: irrelevant.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm

“the good book says that homosexuals and women who commit adultery should be stoned until death.Are we supposed to follow that too?”

Oh goody, another person taking the Bible out of context. What you’re referring to is Old Testament Jewish law. We don’t live under Old Testament Jewish Law.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm

The NCAA has jurisdiction, GTBob, because Penn State is a member of the institution.

I disagree. The NCAA shouldn’t have free reign to just do whatever they want to any of their members just because they feel like it. There are some things that are above the NCAA and this is one of them.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Can I change may neam to P.O.A.D the NCAA?

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm

“Why didn’t OHIO ST get MORE?”

Raping little boys > tattoos

Paul in NH

July 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

GTBob,

Tom Corbett, current Governor of PA is the last guy you want involved in punishing PSU. As Attorney General of PA he began the investigation into Sandusky in 2009 but didn’t prosecute. Doubtless, it wouldn’t have helped his governatorial campaign in 2010.

crackbaby

July 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Jeff,

I haven’t ever heard you take a stand on shutting down the Catholic dioceses that harbored hard core child molesters – who happened to be priests and arch bishops.

Shutting down the football program is exactly the wrong thing to do. Clean house and run it with new leadership, greater transparency and bring that community back together.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Taking bets……..in the NEXT 5 years how many Penn St v Michigan will not be televised?
I say 1 maybe 2 max.

rivercard

July 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm

Sec Fact Finder- There is no justification for McQueary leaving a child with an adult he witnessed raping him.

Shows no concern for child – despicable.

gdawginkalamazoo

July 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm

I was hoping for the death penalty but the fact that the wins were vacated seems very appropriate. For the next decade PSU will be an FCS program struggling to gain ground. I think the death penalty would have been more useful in dampening the abuse that the current players will face on the road. No telling how long, if ever, it will take for that to go away.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm

WELL tattoos——-to FOOTBALL PLAYERS–money for players under NCAA control
Penn St—boys with coaches— Not under NCAA control

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm

Glad to know that Bobby Bowden will now be recognized as D1s all time winningest coach. I think it best to have that honor bestowed on a man who ran a program that wasn’t tainted during his tenure. :roll:

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm

“I haven’t ever heard you take a stand on shutting down the Catholic dioceses that harbored hard core child molesters – who happened to be priests and arch bishops.”

When priests and arch bishops become head coaches at a football school, maybe Jeff will weigh in. How about asking Jeff why he never talks about high gas prices or economic issues?

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm

I have Video evidence that PENN STATE won those games…………………..

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm

“money for players under NCAA control”

And OSU got probation.

“Penn St—boys with coaches— Not under NCAA control”

Anything involved with NCAA sports is an NCAA issue.

Red Stick

July 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm

I think the penalties are severe enough without the death penalty. It will be years before Penn St recovers from this.

The University may also face a substantial fine from the US Dept of Education for failing to disclose the crimes on the Cleary Report. That’s a serious violation.

Geaux Tigers
Go SEC

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm

WELL…….hahahh BAD. You are a fool. The Catholic Church is richer than Penn St…..
Moral crimes are the same. the NCAA has NO BUSINESS in this matter.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm

” Doubtless, it wouldn’t have helped his governatorial campaign in 2010.”

Governors usually don’t get involved in university issues. Not sure how or why that would be relevant to someone getting elected.

JB

July 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm

Dawgs new S&C coach just left Penn St. last year. Knows every player there. With our vast openings, wouldn’t surprise me if Dawgs don’t end up with 2-3 of them…..But the Buzzards up that way will be circling also.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm

5150 UOAD
July 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

“Penn St……is not DEAD.”

True, true, they still have a pulse. But wait until 4 years from now when they have just 60 scholarshipped players (assuming all signees remain on the team during this period) on the team. Factor in that their entire existing roster is free to go elsewhere and I believe the program will be on life support in a short period of time.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

“You are a fool. The Catholic Church is richer than Penn St…..”

The Catholic Church has nothing to do with college football, ma’am. Now get back to delivering pizzas.

gbal

July 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

Drew ” It’s funny how you can defend the Braves, Falcons, etc. over and over but just love to crucify ‘other’ institutions….”

You must not read much of Jeffs stuff buddy…. The entire AJC sports staff will crucify the home team in a NY minute is it means getting blog hits. They will especially do it concerning UGA.

Go look back at a few archives buddy

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

This WAS the death penalty…

Shultz hasn’t the sense to realize it apparently.

And it was well deserved.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

“Moral crimes are the same. the NCAA has NO BUSINESS in this matter.”

College coach rapes little boys. Yes, the NCAA does have a say in that. Sorry you can’t understand common sense.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

OK OK……………here

I get DRUNK….bad Drunk at a BAR. The Bartender kept serving me an allowed me to LEAVE in my car.

IS THE BAR RESPONSIBLE?
The BARTENDER made it happen, allowed it to happen and DID NOTHING to stop me from Driving.

Ted M

July 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

The NCAA got this exactly right. I don’t think the vacating of wins since 1998 is entirely symbolic now no can say that Paterno is the all time leader in wins that title is now Bobby Bowden’s and he deserves it.

Joe Paterno was a self righteous dirty rotten ba$tard.

Sandusky’s wife is a dirty rotten criminal she should be in prison for a minimum of 20 years.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

“The entire AJC sports staff will crucify the home team in a NY minute is it means getting blog hits. They will especially do it concerning UGA.”

Atlanta has ONE championship in its entire sports existence. Going after Atlanta sports teams for sucking is well deserved.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

Bob, here is the problems with each :
1. They had their chance. They blew off 20+ yrs of abuse. I’m surprised you even said the University. Based on LOTS of factors, the U would be the last choice to run this investigation.
2. Biased bureaucrats. Too much public influence would involved.
3. Not the Govoner’s duty to punish a State University.
4. Way too biased….PSU has had it too good up there. Too much envy & jealousy will be involved.
5. Handing down athletic sanctions is not their role in government.
6. They are the last humans on earth that need to get involved!!
7. Maybe, but they will refer everything to NCAA by laws.

GT4EVER

July 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

Well Oh goody, another person taking the Bible out of context. What you’re referring to is Old Testament Jewish law. We don’t live under Old Testament Jewish Law.

If this is the case then EVERYTHING in the Old Testament is irrelevant.The twelve tribes used to practice animal sacrifice too .It’s very to hard to stand here today and pick and chose which parts of the Old Testament are applicable simply because they match some modern thoughts on morality.
The good book also allowed polygamy and that is still practiced in some countries,are they living in sin today?

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

“IS THE BAR RESPONSIBLE?

The bar has nothing to do with anything, ma’am. You were not employed by said bar. Make sense?

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:13 pm

WELL …..so the BARS are RESPONSIBLE for WHAT a DRUNK does after they get him drunk and let him leave?

Ted M

July 23rd, 2012
1:13 pm

I’m curious… do all the losses since 1998 officially count?

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

WELL..the Bar Promotes the Environment for later Criminal actions to happen LIKE apparently PSU did to Allow Sanduski to do what he did.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

“The twelve tribes used to practice animal sacrifice too ”

Yep, and God sent His son Jesus to earth as a sacrifice for our sins. Animal sacrifice became irrelevant.

“It’s very to hard to stand here today and pick and chose which parts of the Old Testament are applicable simply because they match some modern thoughts on morality.”

So stop doing it then.

“The good book also allowed polygamy and that is still practiced in some countries,are they living in sin today?”

Where does the Bible tell people that polygamy is fine. If you are referring to King David or King Solomon, you should really go back and do some studying up on that.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

Grinch….long no time no see….Welcome back.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

“so the BARS are RESPONSIBLE for WHAT a DRUNK does after they get him drunk and let him leave?”

Not that I know of. Again, you’re taking a scenario that has NOTHING to do with the blog topic and trying to turn it around to justify your opinion.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

What I don’t get is why the NCAA had to go so hard on Penn State? The people behind this are gone. Sandusky had not been a coach for years!

It’s like punishing the Falcons because Jamal Anderson got a DUI.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Big Crimson 75, serious question. Would you be ok with Sandusky being punished by the NCAA and not in a court of law?

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
11:19 am

Truth — “The sanctions are essentially the death penalty.”

We disagree.
**********
Who is “we”?

Penn St. football likely will never be relevant again. Period.

What more of a death penalty does anyone want? Typical media person writing without thinking, standing on a perceived pedestal of righteousness. Never mind the hundreds or thousands of jobs closing down the program would affect….

They deserve every bit of what they got and more, based on what has come out. Enough. They’re finished.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

“the Bar Promotes the Environment for later Criminal actions to happen LIKE apparently PSU did to Allow Sanduski to do what he did.”

Anything sports related in college is an NCAA issue. The NCAA grants colleges/universities the same rules.

Make sense?

SawThat1nce

July 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

The enablers should be charged as accessories and stand trial.
Too, bad Paterno is not still alive, so that he could stand trial with the rest of the enablers.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“It’s like punishing the Falcons because Jamal Anderson got a DUI.”

Except Anderson never raped little boys.

“What I don’t get is why the NCAA had to go so hard on Penn State?”

Child rape. If you don’t get that then you are truly stupid.

What A Laugher!

July 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people” – Mark Emmert

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

51 — how ya doin? Never blame the bartender dude!!
Grinch — good to see you again ol pal!! Hope life is well. Getting closer to some Football!!
Stein — I agree. These charges are not the typical rule violations that get Programs in trouble, butt this is still the nc2a’s call.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm

GRINCH I think you are helping my argument. LOL
Sarcasm in my posts.
it is either Personal responsibility or it is concerted effort to Allow and promote crimes because somebody is making money off the crime.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm

Fire Joe Paterno!!

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Can the NCAA punish the Atlanta Falcons? :shock:

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm

“NCAA had to go so hard ”

“The people behind this ”

IRONY: A PSU grad typed that.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

Again….Sandusky was not part of the coaching staff.

PMC

July 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

Penn State should just shutter the Athletic Department. It’s over anyway. All of this sprung from athletics.

Shut it down, focus completely on academics.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm

PSU Alum – Are you really this stupid? This thick-headed? So completely out of touch with anything remotely approaching reality that you think this wasn’t deserved?

You are a PSU alum, apparently, so I guess I know the answer…

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

But he was granted access to the university’s facilities where he raped little boys. Is your obvious love for the PSU Football Program so blinded that you can’t see the vulgarity of what happened and what was covered up?

Browncoat

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Dawg’88 LOL

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Yes.

Sandusky never coached at Penn State. Logical conclusion.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Bob — NCAA sanctions alone would not be enough.
Sandusky had his day in court. He was found guilty. Good enough for me.
However, the NCAA should control the sanctions against penn st.

DP

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

“SEC Fact Finder”, good to see that you’ve shown Marco Pillow Thrower that McQueary isn’t the only one who would have been gutless and pathetic enough to think about the chain of command within a football program when confronted with the sight of a grown man raping a small boy in the showers instead of thinking about his responsibilities as a member of society and the human race. It’s good to be reminded that there are plenty of loyal organization men like you out there, which is why we get scandals like Penn State and the Catholic Church.

And by the way, when McQueary saw Sandusky raping that boy, Sandusky had been off the Penn State staff for 2-3 years and clearly not the heir apparent to Paterno, not that it would have made any difference except to those whose inclination when confronted with a heinous crime was to think about their own career and an organizational chart instead of stopping the crime and protecting the victim.

Ray

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

@ Well

You call me an idiot, but do you realize within a matter of days that little $60 mil dollar fine can be paid off by a former alum.

That’s why I’m saying to Penn St. that $60 mil is nothing to them if I’m not mistaken when all this was going down they had already over $200 mil in donations from former alums.

That’s why I said $60 mil fine to Penn St. is a $100,000 to $500,000 fine to a NBA player or NFL player they look at it as if that’s chump change.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

PSU Alum

I’d like to know what you think is “fair?” You’re putting your schools irrelevant football program over the most horrible event in college football history. Says a lot about where your priorities are.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

@ Jeff Schultz… Check your FB email tonight…

reckingball

July 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm

I don’t see how “hundreds of thousands of jobs” would be lost due to a Penn St. death penalty to their football.
But, I do agree that the penalties they recieved is a near-death sentence. It will hurt their program for a long, long time.
I don’t think that innocent people that derive their income from the football games should be made to suffer for the crimes of a few criminals.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm

WELL….then the NCAA needs to make the RULE EXACTLY the same for VIOLATIONS but that is not how the NCAA works.

The BAR(PSU) helped create an environment for the Crimes to be committed.
If you Punish the action(Sanduski) and Environment Creator(PSU) then you have to Punish the DRUNK(Sanduski) and the BAR(PSU)

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm

phil
July 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm

Before long “PSU Alum” will be challenging some of the forfeited wins from one of his favorite seasons, say 2001 for example.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm

“You call me an idiot”

I never called you an idiot, Ray. Stop lying.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

What A Laugher!

July 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people” – Mark Emmert
**************
Of course it won’t be…..LOLOLOLOL!!

I guess ol’ Emmert thinks were all stupid out here…

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

You UGA fans are just piling on because it makes you feel better about your corrupt program with thugs and crooks.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

5150 UOAD

So what you’re really saying is that Penn State should not receive probation at all?

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

I’ll take a 20 year old getting arrested for possession of alcohol over child rape any day of the week.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

hundreds or thousands, not of thousands…

Who’s the new coach up there? Not that it will matter but….

Fire him too!!

JJ

July 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

The fact that the Penn State football program will continue operating this fall is yet another disgusting chapter in this whole saga. Unbelievable.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

“You UGA fans are just piling on because it makes you feel better about your corrupt program with thugs and crooks.”

I’m in no way, shape or form, a UGA fan. I can not stand UGA football and I think their fans are some of the biggest idiots in all of college football. But with that said, this is not about another school. UGA is not running a corrupt football program and you have nothing to back up that lie.

Going and calling UGA a bunch of thugs is sad considering your school just got hammered over the biggest scandal in all of sports history.

dean

July 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

I am all for putting a bullet in Sandusky’s ear. I am all for putting the heads of anyone who knew and tried covering it up on a pike.

Trust me. If here now 53 years later the cops came to me and said, “We found him.”, as God as my witness I would do everything in my power to kill the sonofabich.

I would take my chances with explaining to God why I had to take care of business before He did.

The only good child molester is a dead one.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

“I’ll take a 20 year old getting arrested for possession of alcohol over child rape any day of the week.”

Check. Mate.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

You UGA fans are just piling on because it makes you feel better about your corrupt program with thugs and crooks.
**********
I personally don’t give a rats butt about my corrupt program filled with thugs and crooks….it’s not like we ever do much of anything anyway…

What I do care about is your sewer of a school and what it allowed to happen for so long….You should be too.

Browncoat

July 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

PSU Alum, child rape doesn’t seem to bother you, just that PSU has been hurt…….

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

I still can’t believe Paterno let this happen under his watch.
He knew what was going on & chose to look the other way.
Paterno had me fooled. I thought the Man stood for something.
Turns out, He allowed a Monster to prowl on innocent kids for 20+years!!
You think you know somebody, but you have no idea!!

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

You ask, “Has anyone seen SMU since the death penalty”. Say what? Your comparing SMU to PSU? Oh please. Does your nose light up too?

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm

Big Crimson 75

I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s unfathomable to think that this kind of stuff could go on at a major university. I can not wrap my mind around anyone “looking the other way” when child rape is happening.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

PSU Alum

I’ll give you some friendly advice. When your school is on the world stage as having covered up 20 years of child rape, it’s best to just not come on a public blog and spew the kind of garbage you’ve been spewing.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

Big Crimson 75
July 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

I kind of thought Paterno was getting senile the past decade or so. My belief was that he stayed on to get the “wins” record.

Maybe a mandatory retirement age for head coaches? You know, if you can’t bend over and tie your own shoe then maybe you shouldn’t be the leader of a bunch of young gladiators playing a violent sport. :smile:

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

Penn State did not rape those children. A retired former coach did. He has been punished. The entire school should not be.

You rednecks just keep perpetuating the stupid stereotype.

George Stein

July 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

As a Tech man, I’m not one to defend UGA very much. HOWEVAH, to compare the traffic tickets, weed smoking (omg college kids smoke up!), or suspended license nonsense there with child rape blows my mind, PSU alum. Unreal.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Browncoat
July 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

PSU Alum, child rape doesn’t seem to bother you, just that PSU has been hurt…….
===============================================

So Sexual Assault in the White House doesn’t bother you?
Nothing happened to Clinton for Monica Lewinski but if it happened to a CEO he would be in jail.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

People look the other way when this happens every single day….

This ain’t an isolated series of incidents. Granted, most are hidden a bit better than this apparently, but child sexual abuse is a rampant problem across the country and around the world.

We’re human beings, after all. Sad, isn’t it? Look at Dean posting above….it obviously happened to him too, and surely others that post here all the time.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

But Penn State officials knew of the abuse and did nothing but cover it up. Get a life! Better yet, move back to “Happy Valley”.

Ray

July 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm

@ Well

Go back to page 2 you basically called me an idiot trust me and which I know I’m not, and many UGA fans aren’t idiots themselves their actually pretty nice people. We’re just like any other college got your stupid people that go too far, and you cool people that would let you hang out with them.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

“Penn State did not rape those children. A retired former coach did. He has been punished. The entire school should not be.”

YOUR SCHOOL COVERED IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez man, you are in serious need of help if you can not see through your rose colored glasses.

“You rednecks just keep perpetuating the stupid stereotype.”

PSU, you are a classless jerk.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

“So Sexual Assault in the White House doesn’t bother you?”

Your lack of common sense bothers me.

blue

July 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

The NCAA is NOT ever going to use the death penalty again. I think I even heard the president of NCAA a few years back say that when Alabama was in some trouble.

Resident Georgia Fan

July 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

PSU Alum: You should have saved some of your energy for looking into to Coach Joe Paturnover”s corrupt reign. Hitler Paterno Stalin … yeah that sounds right.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

5150 UOAD
July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Sad but true. However, I guess a lot of guys look at another guy getting a blow job by a girl over half his age is something to be envied, however, there’s nothing much worse than child rape.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

POAD…
Arthur Blank is a CEO and he’s not in jail! A settlement check is a helluva drug!

Enemas for Easter

July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

And the winner for the most retarded post goes to:

5150 UOAD
July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Browncoat
July 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

PSU Alum, child rape doesn’t seem to bother you, just that PSU has been hurt…….
===============================================

So Sexual Assault in the White House doesn’t bother you?
Nothing happened to Clinton for Monica Lewinski but if it happened to a CEO he would be in jail.

Browncoat

July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

So Sexual Assault in the White House doesn’t bother you?
Nothing happened to Clinton for Monica Lewinski but if it happened to a CEO he would be in jail.

What is wrong with you? Who mentioned the White House?

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

Grinch — how bout when he had to take a dump in the 1 st quarter a few yrs ago!!
Classic — watching the old man “run” across the field during the game!!
He definitely piled on the wins.
I’m assuming Bobby will retain the record now.

another voice

July 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people,” Emmert said.

Right!

Was Emmert speaking of Penn State only or the NCAA and every institution of higher education which is a part of that association? One has to assume that by educating, nurturing and protecting young people he is speaking not only of young persons who are victims of sexual abuse but that football will never again be placed ahead of the education and nurture and protection of students and student atheletes at all of the member universities and colleges of the NCAA as well.

While this is a first step in that endeavor (certainly where PSU is concerned) what will be the future steps taken by the NCAA in regard to all other schools with football programs?

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

July 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm

Feel bad for all the current PSU players and coaches. Must be total confusion around the football building right now.

Jefferson Davis Hogg

July 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm

@GTBob. ” The lack of institutional control clause basically gives the NCAA free reign on anything they feel like. Anything can fit in that clause. Would you be ok with it if the NCAA gave UGA the death penalty for their recent discipline problems? Would that not fit into lack of institutional control?” totally different situations Bob. No, no university can controll what a student athlete or any other student does or what trouble them as individuals get into off campus or on. This can’t be policed by anyone besides the kids themselves and know one gains any extra benefits to the football program because a kid gets kcked off a team for smoking pot or whatever else. On the other hand, PSU had total control of this situation, or lack of control depending on how you look at it. Everyone from President Paterno, or the labelled president, chancellors and everyone in between who knew of these happenings and chose to cover them up!. These are the people in charge of institutional control, not a few athletes that choose to get into trouble off campus. Kids being molested and the whole staff at PSU knowing of it and choosing not to say a word about it for all thes years just to protect the PSU football program constitutes lack of institutional control andI’m just sad that the punishment was even this light

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm

“Go back to page 2 you basically called me an idiot ”

Lying is not nice, Ray. First, you claimed that I called you an idiot and then you say that I basically called you an idiot.

“many UGA fans aren’t idiots themselves their actually pretty nice people.”

I’ve met a few of them and then when I wear my schools hats/clothing, I get called names etc. I went to Athens for a game and some UGA kids started throwing bottles at me and my friends. The fun part is that I actually got a hold of one of them and sent him to the dentist.

dean

July 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm

Sorry PSU Alum. You get no sympathy from me. It was an INSTITUTIONAL COVER UP WITH ONE GOAL—>PROTECT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

What do you not understand? Please enlighten me if I’m “not getting it”.

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm

Big Crimson 75
July 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

LOL!!! I remember seeing a clip on that. He runs across the field just before the first half ended. He came back in the second half and had a different pair of pants on. Guess he didn’t make it in time. :lol:

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm

I’m sure the news made for a better day in the slammer for sandusky- NOT

They out to put sandusky and holmes together – a match made in hell.

Fan of Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm

looking forward to reading another story by schultz on this same subject matter 3 weeks from now.

seems to be his M.O. to re-hash old stories as new ones several weeks later.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm

Mark Hurd is not in jail… Look him up…

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Well
July 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

“Penn State did not rape those children. A retired former coach did. He has been punished. The entire school should not be.”

YOUR SCHOOL COVERED IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez man, you are in serious need of help if you can not see through your rose colored glasses.

“You rednecks just keep perpetuating the stupid stereotype.”

PSU, you are a classless jerk.

Real tough guy huh? You all are so worked up, yet you routinely have relations with your sisters. This is the south.

Tumbledown

July 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Let us try to understand PSU Alum and all those others who are connected to Penn State. Unfortunately, they derive some of their identity with Penn State and undoubtedly elevated Paterno to some mythical god-like state in their minds. All of that has been destroyed. Their school has been severely sanctioned, and I am sure all those Penn State people feel like a part of them has been attacked and sanctioned.

Hopefully, in time, the Penn State alums will understand that their football program and university had to be punished severely. Children were sexually molested on campus by a former football coach. The powers that be (including Paterno) covered it up, all the time allowing Sandusky to use the football facility as some sort of honorary professor. The rights acts by the right people at Penn State in 1998 would have prevented a ton of suffering.

I hope all people realize that NOBODY, especially a football coach, should be elevated to god-like status. These coaches and their sports programs should never be worshiped, or else these problems will continue. The Penn State situation is a cautionary tale for us all.

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm

JoePa has been a fraud for years. He hasn’t been any kind of a coach for years, yet sat up in the booth just to scavenge wins to push him past Bowden. We went up to Happy Valley last year (thankfully a couple weeks before this all broke) and I watched JoePa a couple times thru my binocs up in his box. He had no headset on, wasn’t calling any plays, and no one even really spoke to him to ask “What do you think we should do on third-and-long here Coach?”

Ray

July 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm

@ Well

I’m saying you might as well had said that cause it was implied. Never mind though in your own little world you didn’t call anyone names.

As idiot fans though that happens at every school.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm

POAD is OK in his way… Unfortunately he is going to go to his grave obsessing over the presidency of William Jefferson Clinton…

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Wow, just…….wow.

First you say ““You rednecks just keep perpetuating the stupid stereotype”.

Then you come back with the “you routinely have relations with your sisters”.

If that’s your version of the south, then please do us all a favor and go back up north.

HabDawg

July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

Come on guys this is not a football issue. This is a disgrace and will do nothing to punish the individuals who deserve punishment. Nothing good wil come out of the sanctions that were handed down except that it may help toprevent this from happening again.

While what happened makes me sick to my stomach, I do not believe in handing out punishment that will affect everyone except the ones that deserve it. That is just plain crazy. What has been handed down will affect many more lives than can ever be calculated, most of which had nothing to do with this whole mess.

God Bless the victims and their families.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

“Real tough guy huh? You all are so worked up, yet you routinely have relations with your sisters. This is the south.”

Delta is ready when you are, Pedophile State University. Hey, why don’t you tell us all how you “won the war?”

Geez, you are one misguided human being.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

You know…..Who cares……We still got the Steelers. WHat do you have? The Falcons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

jp

July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

I think this penality may be worse than the death penalty. First, allowing current players to transfer with outsitting out a year will deplete this team of talent. second, they will not be able to rebuild that with their limited schlorships for many years. Third it will be hard to get 4 star recruits with a 4 year bowl ban. Fourth the school is losing the 1 year of revenue the would have lost if the program had been shut down. If I was the PSU pres or AD I would have asked for a one year death penalty over these sanctions.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm

“I’m saying you might as well had said that cause it was implied. Never mind though in your own little world you didn’t call anyone names.”

So post what I called you, Ray. Since you’re so obsessed over something I never called you.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm

NCAA…..
Yo BRO Don’t hate the PLAYA Hate Da Game.
Get Rich or DIE tyr’n

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm

“You know…..Who cares……We still got the Steelers. WHat do you have? The Falcons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!”

I’m actually a Green Bay fan. You know, that team that beat up your team in last years SB.

Oh, and I’ll take the Braves over the Pirates any day considering the Braves gave your team a beat down in 91 and 92.

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Good one PSU Alum…other areas of the country love to use the tired ole “sleeping with your sister/cousin” line on all us poor, unwashed masses of the SEC. But as of this date not one SEC member school has been in trouble for molesting children or anything truly deviate like that. Guess it’s true about the loudest one in the room usually is the one hiding something.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm

“If that’s your version of the south, then please do us all a favor and go back up north.”

I love it when northerners move south and then complain about how awesome the north is all while living in nice houses in the south.

If the north is so great, by all means move back and pay higher taxes.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm

“But as of this date not one SEC member school has been in trouble for molesting children or anything truly deviate like that.”

Nope, the only school with any sexual relations issues was Booby Petrino and he’s long gone from Arky.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm

phil
July 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

What A Laugher!

July 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people” – Mark Emmert
**************
Of course it won’t be…..LOLOLOLOL!!

I guess ol’ Emmert thinks were all stupid out here…
===================================
I posted close to that post to start this BLOG…..What a JOKE. The NCAA is a JOKE no matter the Crime.

stoptheinsanity

July 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Hey Jeff, quote from Dan Wetzel:

The NCAA banned the Mustangs from one season of play. The school added an additional year. Then it applied strict academic requirements to recruits that completely altered the type of athlete it was bringing in. It never got caught up with the competition in terms of building opulent facilities or a massive stadium, items the Nittany Lions already have.

SMU hasn’t been heard from since because they didn’t WANT to be heard from.

Tumbledown

July 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Forget trying to understand PSU Alum. While sincere people debate the sanctions imposed on Penn State, he offers up pathetic insults and feels it necessary to elevate football above all else. I truly pray PSU Alum that you do not have a child who suffers like those who suffered at the hands of Sandusky and those powers that CHOSE football over children.

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

@Well…
Yeah, ole Bobby was/is a doofus…but at least it was with a young blond and not a young boy.

Victim of a loose bowel movement

July 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

Now it all comes out. PSU alum and his love for Penn State and the Stealers(the stole a Superbowl) makes sense.

Remember Ben Rapelisberger? That sexual predatory mindset must be the norm up there.

SEC Fact Finder

July 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm

DP

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm
“SEC Fact Finder”, good to see that you’ve shown Marco Pillow Thrower that McQueary isn’t the only one who would have been gutless and pathetic enough to think about the chain of command within a football program when confronted with the sight of a grown man raping a small boy in the showers instead of thinking about his responsibilities as a member of society and the human race. It’s good to be reminded that there are plenty of loyal organization men like you out there, which is why we get scandals like Penn State and the Catholic Church.

And by the way, when McQueary saw Sandusky raping that boy, Sandusky had been off the Penn State staff for 2-3 years and clearly not the heir apparent to Paterno, not that it would have made any difference except to those whose inclination when confronted with a heinous crime was to think about their own career and an organizational chart instead of stopping the crime and protecting the victim

You have the right to your opinion. My point is that McQueary did MORE than anyone else at that entire University and Pillow is trying to pin it on one guy who had zero credibility as a graduate assistant. Trying to blame this on McQueary is just ignorant of anyone. How many boys and children had Sandusky hurt prior to that incident. Anyone that hurts a child should be hurt the same way while in prison is my personal view.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm

“Remember Ben Rapelisberger? That sexual predatory mindset must be the norm up there.”

What is it with people in Pennsylvania and rape?

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:59 pm

Nice try, but Ben was never convicted. No doubt he was being set up by a small town hick sheriff.

tell the truth

July 23rd, 2012
2:00 pm

I have not read this thought before- I am pretty certain that a good many happy valley folks heard more than once the whispers about Sandusky. If you have ever lived in a college town you are well aware of how facts and non-facts become rumors that fly through the community. My point is that the knowledge of these occurrences by Sandusky were not limited to the 4 university leaders plus the victims and their families- I feel certain that a substantial portion of the community had heard such rumors.

Fan of Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

PSU Alum,

The pittsburgh steelers called…..they don’t want you to be a fan anymore. you’re embarrassing!

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

“Nice try, but Ben was never convicted. No doubt he was being set up by a small town hick sheriff.

Folks, this is all you need to know about the mindset of PSU Alum. The guy is obviously a sicko.

Rhett Oreck

July 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm

BC75 and Bammer, Rumors of Paterno’s detachment from the operational side of PSU Football goes back to the eighties; even as they won two national titles (’82 and ‘86). He was an iconic figurehead, used for recruiting, fundraising and PR. But the fact that he allowed Sandusky to continue makes you kinda wonder about whatever dirt might or might not be under HIS fingernails.

Peter

July 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm

PSU Alum. You are upset of course…… But hey the college and the football program under Joe Pa, showed zero re-guard for the kids of the Sandusky crimes, and covered all up for the sake of the football program.

Also I have been treated badly in Athens as well…..

I wore a yellow shirt to the game years ago that GA Tech won in Athens, and the GA jerks spit tobacco on my back…..totally classless.

So yes in Athens as in any college town there are jerks !

Browncoat

July 23rd, 2012
2:03 pm

Now PSU Alum is just trolling….. stop feeding him.

dean

July 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

PSU Alum.

If you do some research, the cops in Milledgeville were more concerned with protecting your boy rather than trying to help the coed.

alcoholic parabolic

July 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

this just in…Cubs to trade Dempster to Braves as per ESPN radio…

Victim of a loose bowel movement

July 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

Enter your comments here

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

“Cubs to trade Dempster to Braves as per ESPN radio…”

Who did we give up? Dempster is a SOLID pitcher.

Ghud

July 23rd, 2012
2:05 pm

This whole Sandusky thing may explain why JoePa would never retire.

Homepage | MrSEC

July 23rd, 2012
2:05 pm

[...] 9. Jeff Schultz:  ”NCAA president Mark Emmert acted swiftly and justly. “ [...]

Football Fan

July 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm

I really had my doubts that the NCAA would do anything, but obviously they came down very hard on PSU.

I agree with Schultz, though, that the death penalty would have been appropriate.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm

Fan of Schultz
July 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

PSU Alum,

The pittsburgh steelers called…..they don’t want you to be a fan anymore. you’re embarrassing!

Fan of Schultz…..Your trailer park just called, one of your 17 pit bulls is pregnant again.

Fan of Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

seriously? well shoot, i guess that means i have more dogs available to dog fight then, uh?

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

tell the truth-
This is not to pile on but I think you are probably very correct in your assumption. As I said earlier we road tripped out there for the Bama game last September and I have never been in a more isolated, remote, out-of-the-way place in my life. And I’ve been all over the US and other country’s. Not saying it’s “hickville” or anything nasty or dirty…it wasn’t. It was just a million miles from nowhere and very, very difficult to get to. And once we were there it was just a weird vibe that we all got from the place…as if they didn’t take to outsiders very well at all and kept to themselves. When all of this broke it totally made sense to me how it could go on for so long.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm

I detest D-1 college football. But still, the NCAA is coming in and trying divest itself of its own culpability in this mess… This punishment is as usual 16 years too late… The NCAA had no protocol on sexual molestation. This is 30 years after the Boy Scout scandal, 15 years after the Roman Catholic pedophile cases came to light, and a mere 4 years after the South Carolina and LSU sexual scandals. What have they done? The answer is nothing!

They can’t really hurt Paterno, sorry folks he’s d-e-a-d! He will be d-e-a-d tomorrow and on & on….

The criminals are Jerry Sandusky… Former President , the Compliance Officer, and the Regent who failed to get in front of the run-a-way bus for the university… I can care less about the bowls, the money is in the TV contracts (is the Big Ten taking away their share of the Big 10 Network revenues?)!

Nowhere in the NCAA statement was there any move towards “real” reform. Nor was there a “real” move to protect those who have been harmed! I’d rather seen them forfeit the money to real program to train health care professionals, treat the victims, and lastly be used to prosecute pedophiles in civil actions for the victims…

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm

“Your trailer park just called, one of your 17 pit bulls is pregnant again.”

Someone at Pedophile State got them pregnant.

phil

July 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm

It’s good to confirm that an education at penn state is indeed as worthless as we trailer park folk suspected….thank you, psu alum.

Fan of Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm

PSU Alum,

you’re out-matched. move along!

be careful

July 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm

what LSU sex scandal?

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm

PSU Alum

Some of us, not me of course, live in trailers but we sure as hell don’t rape little boys.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
2:16 pm

Well
July 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm

PSU Alum

Some of us, not me of course, live in trailers but we sure as hell don’t rape little boys.

So you openly admit to relations with your sister.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

I just found the funniest poster for PSU Alum.

It’s a poster of the movie TED except it reads PED. There’s a pic of Jerry Sandusky sitting next to the teddy bear and bear looks scared.

Priceless.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

“So you openly admit to relations with your sister.”

Troglodyte, you should quit while you’re behind.

LawDawg

July 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm

Validation that enabling a man who preys on children will wash away winning a few football games. I hope Joe Paterno is watching this on a small black and white TV in the fifth circle of Hell.

tell the truth

July 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm

Early on after this all came out I read that Paterno said that he had never talked with Sandusky about the rape allegation- consider that- he knew him for 30 years- hired him as his dc on Nat Champ teams and even after he was told that Sandusky raped a child, he never even asked him about the allegation.
That raised all sorts of red flags for me. I think the final shoe will end up being how many did Sandusky rape before 1998- how many men will now come forward to charge him with rape.That and of course the civil trials and awards that will be eye opening I am sure.

Really?

July 23rd, 2012
2:24 pm

I wonder if all the bama loudmouths are still proud of how saban and their football team “bend” the rules and refuse to punish players or even test players?

I have seen posts on several sites today saying a huge investigation is underway at bama by a non ncaa body. I am thinking it’s yahoo sports. Is this the new way for the ncaa? Let someone else do all the work and then impose punishment? I hope saban has paid those cops in tuscaloosa very well otherwise those rednecks might start telling the truth. I bet saban will suddenly get more interested in that Texas job.

Peter

July 23rd, 2012
2:24 pm

They can’t really hurt Paterno, sorry folks he’s d-e-a-d! He will be d-e-a-d tomorrow and on & on….

Sure they hurt his legacy, showed the type of person he really was..and if alive today may be facing jail time.

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
2:25 pm

NCAA lenient on Penn State.
No Death Penalty?
Just cut off both arms and legs
and put in solitary cofinement for next decade or two.

Rodster

July 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm

Good points Jeff.

Dennis

July 23rd, 2012
2:30 pm

And the UGA president was fired and Dooley got stronger, that is what happens at Hero Worship U. Just ask Jan Kemp.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
2:34 pm

HUEY LONG……said” better to be found with a dead hooker in your car trunk than a live boy in your bed.”

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
2:34 pm

Good job “Really?” The only loudmouth on here besides PSU Alum is YOU. I guess it wouldn’t be an AJC blog without some asswipe stating that Bama is about to be in trouble…no proof of anything as usual…just talking out of your unwashed squatter. You are a completely unoriginal simpleton. Now STFU. Thanks.

be careful

July 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm

2022: Penn State wins MAC east division title for the first time.

gdawginkalamazoo

July 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm

Hitler just unfriended Paterno on Facebook.

SEC Rules

July 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm

Please stop with the ‘Big 10′ references. They are now the Big 9.3 unless Notre Dame decides to join; then and only then the proper conference designation would be the Big 10. The SEC will continue to dominate for years and years so just get used to it. Hurts, huh?

gdawginkalamazoo

July 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm

I don’t think there are enough dudes named Rudy left to fill in the roster openings at Penn State.

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm

The trickle and domino effect of the sanctions imposed on penn state,
will be worse than a death penalty for a couple of years.
Already, fans who are major contributors, season ticket holders,
sky box renters are demanding their financial recourse as well.
It remains to be seen how many players transfer, and if they will
even be able to field any competitive team.
Also, don’t think they will be getting any TV revenue.
Now, that brings in the Big Ten or Twelve, what will they do
to impose their own sanctions? Embarrasment to their league,
and financial domino downturns for penn state and conference.
Don’t see any recovery for at least a decade or two.
Worst than a death penalty.

Delbert D.

July 23rd, 2012
2:40 pm

The big 9.3? Even if the Big Ten tossed Penn State, there would still be 11 teams.

SMU Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm

SMU won the iron skillet this last year!! Suck it TCU!!!!

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm

PSU alum — enough with the hick comments. You are showing yourself to be an imposter. Anyone who’s been to the state of Pennsylvania knows between Philly and Pittsburgh is Mississippi!!

Really? — you try so hard. There is no investigation going on at Bama. Sorry to disappoint.

For all, the term “death penalty” is no longer used by the NCAA for various reasons. Being PC among them. The stigma attached to the word another. They literally killed a program in SMU. But the term itself is no longer used.

ARdawg

July 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm

zoo dawg

Thats funny right there I don’t care who ya are

Rickster

July 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm

If it was about doing what’s right, the NCAA should have killed the football program. But it’s all about the money to the NCAA.

Not only do they get their $60 million now, but they continue to get their cut of the massive amounts of money generated by their officially licensing all the clothing and merchandise that Penn State fans buy in huge quantities.

The NCAA has no shame, no class & no scruples.

MS

July 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm

If I were Mark Richt I would tell you stupid Ass dog fans to go straingt to hell. You people don’t deserve a coach and person of his caliber. The Dawgs are nothing but a bunch of redneck hillbillies that cant figure out who they are much less what they stand for!!! Mark Richt has more class and is much smarter than all you dufus idiots. Mark, why do you put up with these dumb butts? You could name your price and pick your college anywhere across the United States and get away from these morons. These people have made it a past time constantly running you down. Leave them holding the bag. Then they will get a good taste of how hard it is to find a quality football coach with ethics and pride.

SEC Rules

July 23rd, 2012
2:49 pm

@DD,
Was that my math error or simply extreme sarcasm? You figure it out.

reckingball

July 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm

It may not be a death penalty, but it is critical injury.

bamagrad02

July 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm

After reading the report, this sounds like a slap on the wrist. Dozens of kids got raped here!!! A fine, bowl ban, and scholly reductions is not enough. I know the penalties are harsh and with the exception on this year, PSU will not be competitve for the remainder of the decade. The NCAA had a chance to make a real statement here and dropped the ball. Since the university will still be able to fill the 110K capacity stadium they will still be able to make money. If I was in charge and decided not to pursue the dealth penalty, PSU would not have a home game until 2014. That would’ve hit their wallets hard. What Sandusky did makes the whole SMU scandal in the 80’s appear minor. If what happened at PSU does not merit use of the death penalty, then the actual death penalty option should be removed.

nash

July 23rd, 2012
2:53 pm

This is way worst than anything that took place at SMU and, for the record it would not kill Penn St’s program or the city that the school is in to not have a program for a few years.
For the record SMU was irrelevant before they started cheating so why would they be relevant again after being caught.
I hope I never see another person in Penn St paraphernalia again

reckingball

July 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Don’t understand the comparison with Bill and Monica.
Monica was up for the job, and a consenting adult.
The Republicans tried to get him for one thing, couldn’t prove it, so they decided to go after him for the Monica thing.
$$$43million to prove Clinton recieved oral sex in the White House?
What a waste of taxpayer dollars. If she had swallowed they never could have proven anything, anyways.

Tide Rising

July 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Really?,

“I have seen posts on several sites today saying a huge investigation is underway at bama by a non ncaa body.”

Then please present all these credible sources cause I haven’t seen a thing. And btw anonymous blog posts by rival fans are not credible.

“I wonder if all the bama loudmouths are still proud of how saban and their football team “bend” the rules and refuse to punish players or even test players?”

Please present your proof of Saban and our football team “bending” the rules. And secondly be my guest and please forward said proof to the NCAA.

Last of course please detail to us how you know that Bama refuses to punish players or even test players? Are you a mole inside the Alabama football program?

And please explain how it is that 3 players have been on indefinite suspension including Cris Carter’s son who just asked for and received a transfer due to disciplinary problems. Because as you just said we don’t discipline or test our players.

Oh. And I almost forgot. Please explain all those players that dawg fans complain about who’ve been run out of the Alabama program. Or did you not know that they were run out because of disciplinary problems- several of them for failing drug tests? Bama does drug test. A lot. Just because an ignoramus like yourself doesn’t know that doesn’t mean we don’t.

Delbert D.

July 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm

I hereby declare that I am not responsible for others’ math errors or attempts at sarcasm.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm

The Braves are giving up Randell Delgado for Ryan Dempster.
Dempster is solid, no doubt, but he is a rental player.
I hate we give up Delgado.
I really hate Beachy got hurt.
I really hate Jair Jurghens, period.
I’d rather have gotten Grienke if it meant giving up Delgado, but Dempster has been arguably the best pitcher in the NL this season.

Instant Dawgma

July 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm

Wasn’t sure NCAA had the power to hit school with such a hefty fine. That is a hefty fine. Knew they could do things like bowl sanctions, tv appearances, scholarship losses, etc but didn’t know such fines (who are they actually paying?)….

Instant Dawgma

July 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm

They should have been banned from tv appearances also.

Is Free Shoes U man #1 in wins now?

July 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm

Vacating wins since ‘98…..Anybody else notice?
Is Semihole Bowden tops in wins?

Is Free Shoes U man #1 in wins now?

July 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm

Vacating wins since ‘98…..Anybody else notice?
Is Semihole Bowden tops in wins?

ncaa next targets...miami and yahoos at bamalama

July 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

Thugs of Miami ought to be shaking now….They’re next on NCAA hit list.

echols county rancher

July 23rd, 2012
3:20 pm

You expect a “death penalty” for violating boys (or girls, for that matter) to straighten out Penn St? He11, the catholics can’t even keep their leaders from doing it. I don’t see catholic churches shamefully shutting down. Follow the $$$, and you’ll see the truth.

Capt Jack

July 23rd, 2012
3:22 pm

Yes, Bowden is now #1

gte773w

July 23rd, 2012
3:24 pm

Penn State should also be kicked out of the Big Ten, the high standards of the Big Ten should not tolerate what happened at Penn State: HURTING CHILDREN FOR GOD’S SAKE!!! Kick the bums out and never let them step onto a Big Ten field ever again. The AD, VP and President should all be in jail with Sandusky on 10-15 years each for being accessories to the damage done to the children after Sandusky could have been stopped.. Heck, if I was the Governor of Pennsylvania, I would revoke the school charter of Penn State and lock all of the doors forever…. COuld you imagine if this happened at Georgia or Georgia Tech???

Victim of a loose bowel movement

July 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Help me out here…..

and scholly reductions is not enough.

What is scholly?

Is this part of the Alabama education system?

ARBY

July 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

If I hear “we are Penn State” chant again, I am going to be sick ! Why didn’t they get the Death Penalty ? Is Football More important than kid’s lifes ? Money is more important than kid’s lifes..I guess. SMU got it because of benefits to players (money). So Southern schools get punished harshly, the uppity yankee schools don’t !!! Any SEC school that did that would have gotten death penaly, except Tennesee.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm

They found a way to turn another blog into a SEC pissing contest! AJC Blogs!!!

Festus

July 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm

SMU violates rules and gets Death Penalty. State Pen violates the law and has to cough up some money. Here an idea: get rid of all athletic scholarships and field teams with real students. Might be fun to have nerds on the field and the jocks in the pros without 4 years of a farm team with the name of a state attached.

ARBY

July 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm

Penn State players transfer to UGA, at least you know Mark Richt won’t put up with crap!

Former Georgian

July 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm

Agree with Markiemark about not penalizing the business community. I’m no fan of the NCAA, but think they got this right in both the consequences they imposed and the rapidity with which they imposed them. Vacating the victories should solve the problem of Paterno’s winningest record, but his name needs to be removed from all references to this record-an asterisk is not enough.

Bammer

July 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Victim-
If you don’t know what “scholly” means then please go to the Barbie Doll blog and play with the girls.

MT

July 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Arby,
According to NCAA GUIDELINES PENN ST was not considered for the death penalty, because the
death penalty is for a program who commits MAJOR INFRACTURES WHILE BEING CURRENTLY
SERVING SENTENCE FOR PRIOR SANCTIONS.Up until now Penn St has NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NCAA.If they commit an infraction now their toast.

ARdawg

July 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Penn State was just molested by the NCAA to the tune of 60mil. Schultz doesn’t believe that good enough. The NCAA should have molested and murdered Penn St? Jeff, the NCAA is well out of it’s reach but imposing it anyway. Let the prosecuting authorities take out the individuals involved and send them to jail. Since when is molesting children sanctioned by the NCAA?

Producr

July 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

These penalties are a joke. 10 year minimum “death penalty” should have been enacted.

GEORGIA FOOTBALL

July 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

11th in all time football victories. UGA

Braves make big move!

July 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

Braves apparently got Dempster from Cubs.
Similar to way Greg Maddux was with ERA.

Federal Pen St.

July 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm

Penitentiary State

Victim of a loose bowel movement

July 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm

I didn’t ask for condescending crap. I asked for a definition of “scholly”

mt

July 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

scholly”
Scholly is short for scholarship

Hurricane NCAA blowing through

July 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

NCAA is on a rampage to get schools lacking in control at the moment.
Miami is going to get everything Penn St. is getting except the $60mill fine.
But Miami might also lose TV appearances and get hit hard that way financially.

Drexel Gal

July 23rd, 2012
3:58 pm

An online columnist suggested suspending the Penn State football program one year for each year that the crimes were covered up — which would be thriteen in all. Two Liberal political columnists have blamed George Bush for both sides of the issue. One blames him for Sandusky, and the other blames him for the sanctions against Penn State. Welcome to life in the 21st Century.

Hurricane NCAA blowing through

July 23rd, 2012
3:58 pm

Has SMU ever recovered? Of course not. That’s why NCAA has wimped out on death penalties since. Otherwise USC and Miami would have been gone a long time ago.

Dumb Column

July 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm

Mr Shultz, this is a bad column, here is why – First this was larger than the Football Program, this was about a whole university. This was about the leadership, not the player, the fans, or the alumni. Not one of them, if sain would condone what happened. However, taking away wins, allowing less kids to recieve a college education (reduction in scholorships). Stripping former players of titles and wins, does nothing for the victims. Let me give you what I think should have happen, and you can weigh in. 1. Take the statue of “Joe Pa”, instead of putting in a storage shed, sell it at auction (Someone would buy it), and then give the money to help abused children. 2. Take the name of “Joe Pa” off the Library, take the $4 million he gave, and give it back to help abused children 3, Require a percentage of every ticket sale (To all Penn state activities ) to be donated to help abused kids 4. Require the univeristy to give “Free Tuition” to 100 abused kids per year as long as they are a member of the NCAA, and make the school pay for it. These are things that would impact future victims and make real impacts to “Kids”, all the NCAA has done today is impact a “Football Program”, that believe it or not will recover and in 10 years, and will make it back, but I can promise that it will take a lot longer for victims of this crime or any other abused child to recover.

Hurricane NCAA blowing through

July 23rd, 2012
4:01 pm

The Yahoos in Tallahassee are acting as if they won the lottery now that Booby Bowden is #1.
Aw shucks.

Hurricane NCAA blowing through

July 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

put a –> * <– by the record in ted bundyland, tallahassee.

Misty From Macon

July 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm

Sadly, the members of the CULT known as Penn State football don’t get it. They continue to make excuses for Paterno and refuse to realize how awful the actions of their school and Paterno have negatively impacted the school. WAKE UP!

Your school is referred to as Pedophile State outside of the bubble world you cult members live in. Don’t you think it is time to really examine what your school and pedophile protector Paterno did that has resulted in all the negativity?

From 1998 to 2002, Joe saw Sandusky bring numerous boys to practices and games and knew what type of person Sandusky was but decided, it wasn’t worth it to turn him in despite knowing what type of scum Sanduscky was. Just let it go Joe. The lives of little boys aren’t that important. Your legacy and Penn State football are more important. After all, you run the school and everybody in your cult would believe if you said the sky was green because after all, you are Saint Joe! Rot in hell Joe.

Can you excuse makers for Paterno explain to me how Joe could ignore what he knew after 1998 and confirmed again in 2001 how Joe could let Sandusky take children to practices and games from 2002 -2011 when he knew what type of scumbag Sandusky was? He knew the type of crimes being committed and did nothing! You cult morons.

You cult supporters of Paterno have become a national joke.
Instead of chanting, “We are Penn State”.
Your football cult can chant “We are Pedophile State”
That is how people in the real word view the school and this will never go away. You will live with this coverup for the rest of your lives.

Your continued support of Paterno will only fan the flames of people that UNDERSTAND how awful the cover up was. Time to take a sniff of reality and wake up to the fact that Joe Paterno was not a saint, and giving some money to build a library doesn’t make up for how he protected a pedophile that destroyed the lives of young boys for many years after he knew what type of scumbag Sanduscky was.

I’m sure you would think differently if your child was a victim! Unfortunately, the cult members of Penn State football probably wouldn’t care if it was their child. After all, we are Penn State is all that matters to you people!

too early?

July 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm

Penn St had sandusky and FSwho had ted bundy

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
4:07 pm

If I am the other 3 directly involved, I am sick and very scared. I imagine the jury will take it out on them big time.

need some diversity

July 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm

Maybe some other teams might get to add a few white players to their rosters now that Penn St. players will start transfering.

Ah, the smell of college football is in the air

July 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm

little over a month!!!!

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm

Paterno is now #12 in all time victories, but he has to be #1 in winning 0 games in 12+ years….HA!

yep

July 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm

on one hand I agree with dropping the hammer on Penn State. On the other hand it doesn’t do anything to the administrators and coaches involved in the cover up. They’re all gone. It doesn’t affect them at all if Penn State doesn’t go to bowl game in the next 4 years.

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
4:33 pm

Ok. More facts. Of the top 10 DIV1 coaches in total victories, Osborn is number 1 in winning percentage, Bear is 2.

Didn’t know it but Grambling is a DIV 1 school. Not DIV 1 A but DIV 1. I thought they were like a DIV 2 school.

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
4:36 pm

What man would see a man raping a boy and not stop it? A sorry arse man I tell you.

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
4:39 pm

Chain Sandusky to the Paterno statue and dump it in the Mississippi River…

Marco Pillow Thrower

July 23rd, 2012
4:41 pm

Emmerts eye brows are 35 years old and the rest of him looks 60 years old agree?

Philmypockitz

July 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm

Now it’s time for Emmert to go after Awbarn and nail them for the $Cam Newton stuff. Death penalty to the Barners!

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm

Goodness, Jeff Schultz you may want to shut this one down for a change… The odd and easily distracted have taken over!

And to that point, Grambling and all of the SWAC is FCS in football… They rarely go to the FCS playoff s anymore because they make more money playing in HBCU themed post-season games or bowls

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm

Hope Solo…..Lolo Jones…..
If that didn’t get your flag flying as opposed to taking about lil boys being assaulted then get off the sports blog.

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
4:48 pm

Yeah, Schultz shut er down, JSS is an idiot mucking up the place.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm

JSS…….you don’t want to se Booty shak’n girls in front of a High Stepp’n BAND with a killer Drum corp?

Mike Nesci

July 23rd, 2012
4:52 pm

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
4:57 pm

the Cam Newton NCAA investigative farce has a whole lot to do with the severity on the sanctions. NCAA completely mishandled that mess. Again, why was Cam ruled ineligible for 1 day and then reinstated. What was discovered in that short period to reinstate him? Nothing. They caved.

Questions??

July 23rd, 2012
4:59 pm

Why punish the current kids attending classes who have nothing to do with Penn State’s past?

The current student body at USC was punished for something done by Reggie Bush and Coach Pete Carroll years ago while both making millions from the NFL. Why are they punishing the kids the attending these colleges today?

This was an easy call for the NCAA but not the right call. The NCAA is more corrupt than any of the colleges they so call represent. By the way whose pocket does the $60,000,000.00 line? I am sure it is not going to the victims and their families. These young kids are the true tragedies in all of this.

$60,000,000.00 to line the pockets of the NCAA cronies. What a Country!!

jerry

July 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

Depriving Penn St. of a year’s football revenue was a better decision than giving them the death penalty, namely because a lot of people will have a job that otherwise would not have. No use in hurting innocent people needlessly and financially, it amounts to the same penalty to Penn St.

awbun cheetah's

July 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

Awbun’s been on so many probations in their history, they don’t know which ncaa inquiry is for what.
Their cheatin’s the same, they just gotta figure out by which coach and player in what year.

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

How much did CLINTON pay for Sexual Assault in the White House? Did the American population payoff M Lewinski?
Is the US taxpayer on the hook for the Police officer that was killed during the FAST’n FURIOUS crap?
WHY do the INNOCENT have to pay the COST for the actions of IDIOTS?

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm

College and Pro sports keeping REAL ISSUES the Voting public need to be concerned with off the front page.

What do Romney and Obama think?

Mangy Dogs live in Athens

July 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm

UGA may be 11th in All Time Win, but they are 14th in winning percentage and have played 80 more games than other SEC schools…..real proud stat their flea infested dog.

1eyedJack

July 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

“WHY do the INNOCENT have to pay the COST for the actions of IDIOTS?”

Are we talking about football or our current welfare state?

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
5:27 pm

1IDjack………..good call. I t could be All Inclusive. LOL

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

Stewart Mandel sums up my feelings on the matter nicely:

“And so, Emmert made sure his organization responded accordingly — even if that meant revoking the traditional due process afforded every other school that’s ever been punished by the NCAA; invoking a nebulous, generalized bylaw about promoting integrity that could easily apply to hundreds of lawbreaking players, coaches and staffers across the country every year; and creating a precedent for dictatorial-like intervention that must now be considered every time a scandal of any proportion arises in college athletics.”

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/07/23/penn-state-ncaa-sanctions/index.html#ixzz21U1n4u5p

Gman

July 23rd, 2012
5:39 pm

Still can’t belive UGA is approximately 15 scholarships short of the limit with the current roster. If the NCAA did that to us we’d be howling at how it would cripple our program. Instead, we did it to ourselves!

chuck

July 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

Jeff needs to go back to California with all the other loonies.

rawdawg

July 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm

Am I the only one that think the NCAA went way to far in this case? How is it fair to punish the athletes, students, and fans for the actions or inactions, however horrible, of a few coaches and administrators that have already been fired, are being prosecuted, and in some cases are already dead? How does penalizing the football program help the victims in any way? Is not the spectacle of revered coaches and (well not so revered) administrators being fired and prosecuted for their roles in the events spectacle enough to make administrators at other institutions think twice before allowing something like that to occur on their own campuses? Isn’t a situation like this so mercifully rare that it is unlikely that any such scandal will surface anytime in the foreseeable future without the NCAA piling on?

I think Sandusky should fry and the admins that covered it up should do serious time. Striking down the football team feels to me like collective punishment.

DunwoodyDawg

July 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm

The $60 million is just the tip of the ice berg. I expect PSU to be sued and hit with massive liability loses. The estimated number reaches over $100 million. This might cause them to have to dip into the schools endowment. If not the “death penalty” I think it would have been appropriate to take away all there scholarships for a year or 2.

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm

Think about how empowered Sandusky must have felt when the four others turned a blind eye. That to me even makes this more evil.

If Sandusky is put with a pro PSU penal population, watch out. Oh wait. The state will protect him.

LakeDawg

July 23rd, 2012
6:00 pm

I agree with the penalty. Its very harsh and it will take PSU a minimum of 10 yrs to recover and they might never be a powerhouse again. The people of PSU will contemplate what happened every Saturday as they live through 3-9 or 2-10 yrs. And yet, this penalty allows innocent people, such as the town, fans, students, vendors, and athletes of other sports to avoid, as much as possible, the fallout of this.For once, I think the NCAA got it right.

Dave

July 23rd, 2012
6:01 pm

Schultz….so you think it’s right for the NCAA to penalize PSU…and…none of this is covered under the NCAA rule book…explain how something that is covered under the penal code falls under the NCAA rules…..and this mess is a horror that should be heard and judged in the courts not by a sanctimious former university president. The people that should have done something a long time ago didn’t….but the whole of PSU is not guilty….or do you DS think that it’s right to take out your anger on a school that has upheld the title of student athlete better than most because a handful of men couldn’t do the right thing. Lastly, lets give the football players a out…..they didn’t do anything…yet, you Schultz think they should have to wear some sort of scarlet letter for going to Penn St…..you seem to think that the sins of the leaders should be placed on the players back….what a crock….let any and all walk away if they so choose and not have to sit out a year….then JS, you’ll end up with your death penalty…only not in the name death penalty

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm

Dave, Emmett was also a cheerleader at Washington too. Let’s get all the facts, ok.

You don’t get the reason for penalties do you? For the accused and those watching. This is about everybody else too.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
6:10 pm

“Now it’s time for Emmert to go after Awbarn and nail them for the $Cam Newton stuff. Death penalty to the Barners!”

Please shut up, fool.

Well

July 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm

“Awbun’s been on so many probations in their history, they don’t know which ncaa inquiry is for what.
Their cheatin’s the same, they just gotta figure out by which coach and player in what year.”

UGA hasn’t been relevant since Reagan first took office. UGA fans = Chicago Cub fans.

Also, the NCAA has cleared Auburn of ALL charges.

Get over it, losers.

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm

At 4:46…
HEY, there’s a fresh pile of muck right there at your feet, enjoy! C’ya

Well

July 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm

The NCAA should investigate UGA for cross dressing professors who run prostitution rings out of their homes.

kral

July 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm

GT BOB if penn wanted due process..they would not signed on in agreement ..it is called waive your rights..a lot of people do so when they are found guilty

JSS

July 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm

Well POAD, if I were a 17-year-old boy or girl or an alumnus of a school which had people talented enough to pull that off, possibly… However, it is not my cup of tea but I will never begrudge those folks their enjoyment! Funny, Pete Rozelle must have enjoyed it since they made up the halftime performances of the 1st 7 Super Bowls…

By the way, after Thursday morning, ” fast and furious” is the least of most people’s worries…

Short Circuit

July 23rd, 2012
6:21 pm

As we all know you have been wrong a bunch in your career. So this is your opinion and you get paid a lot of money for yours and we don’t

Jackson

July 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm

Where does that 60 mil go? Slush fund? Money made on this horrendous scandal? Hopefully it will be used 100% to help sexually abused youth.

Skeezix

July 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm

Too many College Presidents have forgotten that the football coach is a subordinate.

kral

July 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm

or some college coaches..skee..seen it happen at the at high school -level

kral

July 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm

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Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
6:32 pm

What a joke the State Penn fans are

To cry about the harshness of the penalty give me a break

Penn St deserves what they got and should have gotten worse

Penn St fans are a joke and so are some of these media talking heads that say poor Penn St fans

Give me a break

Techster

July 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm

And isn’t it about time there was a crack down at Georgia and they placed a higher priority on recruiting student athletes and developing men if character?

I’m a Tech fan, but the bulldog program has become an embarrassment to the state.

gt75

July 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm

I totally disagree with this penalty. I’m not a Penn State fan and don’t have any feelings about Penn State one way or another. What if a Chemistry Professor did this? Would you fine the school $60M? Would you vacate all the Chemistry degrees of all the people that graduated during that period? Would you remove scholarships for future Chemistry students? No, you would fire all the people involved or had knowledge of it, but you would not punish the people that nothing to do with it in the past or in the future. All the guilty have been punished and the school will have to pay out a lot of money in civil suits. What was done to those young kids was very wrong, but stop punishing the innocent past, present, and future. To make things worst Sandusky was not even part of the coaching staff at the time nor was he an employee of Penn State when he did all this.

Lee

July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm

Most likely, Penn State realized the NCAA could levy the “death penalty” agreed to accept any punishment short of that. The NCAA, realizing Penn State has the deep pockets to drag appeals out for quite some time, made an agreement to “settle” with PS.

Sorta like when a prosecutor makes a plea bargain to charge a suspect with manslaughter instead of murder one.

Schultz, you got the red floppy feet on again

July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm

Emmett is corrupt. Ok, Washington has a losing record against Oregon the last 10 or so years. Remember, he was student, a cheerleader, and the president. at Washington. Would be a good guess, he loved the school.

Ok, fast forward to Cam Newton. If he keeps Cam out of the Iron Bowl, TCU most assuredly would play Oregon. Who has a better chance at beating Oregon, TCU or Auburn. Well, Auburn, Cam reinstated. No way he should have been involved in the decision regarding Cam, but guess what, he was.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm

Techster

Shut your mouth, you are going to sit there and tell me tech is such a hard school yet 95% of Tech’s football team are in the business school

LOL

Oh and who just got put on probation; yea Tech; If the NCAA dug a little deeper into Tech they would find more improprieties

What a stupid statement coming from a fan whose program just got in trouble

Columbus

July 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm

I disagree Schultz. The “death penalty” wouldnt have lasted but a year or tow and they would have been right back business as usual. This will hurt Penn St football for 8-10 years minimum. This will kill recruiting for years and with the death penalty, they could have still recruited well saying hey, we will be right back….no postseason? kids arent ging to go there for at least 5 years but would have if they got a 1 or 2 year “death penalty. This is WORSE than the death penalty in MANY ways. It is a SLOW and LONG DRAWN out death instead of a quick one when they were back in 2 years full force. It will take 8 years or so before they are back full force and they will get slaughtered on the field te whole time and get to “feel” some serious pain every saturday for years, just like those kids…instead of being put out of their misery with one quick blow that lasted a season or 2. This is worse than the “temporary” death penalty in so man ways….

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm

gt75

You stated “Sandusky was not even part of the coaching staff at the time nor was he an employee of Penn State when he did all this”

So you think he just started doing this when he wasnt a coach there; wow what a moronic statement

I thought tech had smart people go to their school

And what if this was a chemestry professor….. umm this involved the football coaching staff at State Penn

So yea the football program should be punished

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm

GT BOB if penn wanted due process..they would not signed on in agreement ..it is called waive your rights..a lot of people do so when they are found guilty

Oh please. For one, the president of Penn State already came out and said that was the best deal they could get to save the football program. Two, they really didn’t want the PR storm that would ensue if they appealed or took it to court. They had absolutely no choice but to sign or have their athletics destroyed forever.

rangerdawg

July 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm

F penn state and Joe p’s legacy. Seems like some people are more concerned with his legacy instead of the cries of young boys being RAPED in the showers for FOURTEEN YEARS!

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

Sounds like a little extortion going on in the whole camp.
Your rat on me, I rat on you.
Seems to me Sandusky had something on the whole administration,
else they would not have tried a coverup. Coverup was not to protect
Penn State as much as their own arses.

GTBob

July 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

Shut your mouth, you are going to sit there and tell me tech is such a hard school yet 95% of Tech’s football team are in the business school

Yeah, our business school is such a joke. That is why it is rated so high nationally, and just got a $50 million dollar donation from an alumni.

Jeff Schultz

July 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm

Dawg ‘88 — You’re one more comment about abortion from getting banned.

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm

Every football player I have ever known, including your first
minority player, that signed under the goal post, after we kicked
one of your Atlanta team’s arses, actually went to Morris Brown,
or enrolled in Industrial Engineering, which trains you to become
a conductor for Norfolk Southern.

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm

GT Bob

The business school at Tech is used to pass its football players just like the Crimnology program at FSU was used to pass its players in the 80’s

I guess you missed the point

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm

Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville

July 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm

Criminology;

"Chef" Tim Dix

July 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Having mulled it over, gotta side with Jeff. Rape has been issued a price tag and its 60M.

GFJacket

July 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm

Flat tire, Tech’s football players have the highest SAT scores of any public university in the country. If you want an objective yardstick to measure what type athletes Tech tries to recruit that is as good as any. And yes, even in the so called easy business school, everyone is required to take a year of calculus. And yes, I know it is a “survey” of calculus. However, it is still much more rigorous than the crip courses that most football players take at other schools.

Dave

July 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm

Who gets the $60 M….it sure as heck ain’t the kids….no, they gotta hire a shyster and get maybe 10 cents on the dollar…only a over zealous academic would want the university to set up a program that hires more academics to oversee the program…..bu,t yes Schultz I agree that nothing is more heinous than hurting children, especially by a perverted mind….

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
8:06 pm

5150 UOAD

July 23rd, 2012
8:13 pm

Dave @ 7:58…………when the hell did you ever think this was about the KIDS or Higher Education? It is about Football and Football MONEY and not a damn thing more.

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
8:24 pm

Who gets the 60 million? Consultants, forensic experts, attorneys, psychiatrists, matt lauer and nbc commercials, court costs, Big 11 countersuits and claims, and if any is left over, the deserving abused kids. Oh, and it’s all the republican’s fault.

defactodawg

July 23rd, 2012
8:25 pm

Jeff,

Come off some of those big bucks and upgrade to one of those new fangled flat panel monitors in your palatial home office. geez!

seriously, i think the penalties are severe enough without the death penalty. PSU football as we once knew it is dead.

shankit

July 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm

Death Penalty, just an antonym used by the NCAA to express the SMU punishment,
which is not used in modern society. 60 Million in cash, 4 years ban on conference and bowl
appearances, reduction of 60 recruits over 4 years, allowing present players and recruits to
transfer without penalty, (very timely by the NCAA), surrender of all wins from 1998 to 2011,
(penalizes Joe Pa as much as the university), = fans and alum who have contributed large
endowments for season passes, sky boxes, loss of TV revenue, etc. (NCAA has basically
cut off the arms and legs and sentenced Penn State to solitary confinement for at least a
decade or so). SMU got off light.

spartanxx2032

July 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm

FFS, a case of ‘everybody must suffer for the sins of the few’, is a case,not of jurisprudence. Certainly it did not intend this as a result.Calls for death penalty for all of the football team? Nonsense .Get new admin,new coaches, clean house might be a good idea.

Paterno took the fall already, without any sort of due process of law, and now his posterity is being pilloried too, without any due process of law. A dead man, who can not defend himself, so now is time to attack even his legacy,to over shadow the real vile and evil man’s despicable .behaviors.Paterno didn’t even get a chance to defend the allegations What has jurisprudence come to now! I am at a loss for words, for the adjectives that can accurately define the odious abuse. Is this chicanery, is it bribe, is it extortion,blackmail, or simply systemic schizophrenia?

catlady

July 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm

I agree; the death penalty to the program, and perhaps to all those who enabled the monster.

The Austrian Brotherhood

July 23rd, 2012
9:02 pm

“Sports themselves can become too big to fail, too big to even challenge.”

Actually, that’s the Federal government. “Sports” doesn’t have missiles, prisons, and Fascists.

BobDawg

July 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm

GTBOB… on a lesser note, I see why you don’t want the NCAA messing with an institution… kinda reminds you of your messy little probation you got hammered with after you “blew” the NCAA off at Tech last year, right????

[...] State avoided the “death penalty Monday,” but NCAA sanctions were so severe — including a four-year bowl ban — that players are being allowed to transfer to [...]

College Football Fan

July 23rd, 2012
9:27 pm

Jeff, I know you like to blast readers who do not agree with you, but here are my thoughts:

I think that JS should receive the maximum sentence possible for the crimes he committed now that he has been found guilty in a court of law.

I think the other individuals that did nothing to bring the horrible situation to the attention of law enforcement should also be held legally accountable for their lack of action as accomplices after the fact or something, although I know one of them (JP) is dead now.

I also think that they should be pursued via civil litigation by the individuals that were abused by JS and made to pay dearly in a civil court of law for not taking any action to stop the abuse.

That said, I am not certain it is the NCAA’s role to impose sanctions on a university for the criminal actions of a group of individuals that apparently had nothing to do with cheating by breaking NCAA sports rules.

It is the law’s responsibility to go after individuals that committ crimes.

I am no fan of Penn State but this opens the door that may lead down a path that the NCAA and its members may later wish they had not opened.

Should the program at Central Florida receive a similar type of NCAA action because of the circumstances and conflicting statments regarding the death of player Ereck Plancher a couple of years ago? I mean that lead to a death which is certainly as serious as abuse. Its a valid question.

I think that Penn State would be within its legal rights to challenge this action in court with a court injuction preventing the NCAA from imposing even stricter sanctions for not going along with its ruling, while it files a legal challenge to the sanctions.

I remember in the 1990’s when there was strong talk about the FBS pulling out of the NCAA and forming its own organization. A couple more of these and that could happen. That would be a shame.

I deplore the crimes that took place and think that the individuals involved should do the time for the crime, and the victims should have civil recourse.

But in this one college football fan’s opinion, the NCAA has gone too far and set a dangerous precedent by stepping out of the athletic arena and into the legal arena.

Let the law handle it and hold the partys involved responsible for their actions.

Frenchie

July 23rd, 2012
9:28 pm

Typical American reaction.

tdawgmoney

July 23rd, 2012
9:30 pm

you missed this one JS. This is the proverbial “slamming the barn door shut after the horse is out to pasture……or maybe is even “dead” in the pasture. These 18-23 year old kids are penalized….the other schools that play PSU are penalized (money lost) from events of as much as 15 years ago. And where were these “victims” all these years??….all of a sudden they are “coming out of the woodwork” with their stories. True, this whole story and cover up is atrocious…..unimaginable……totally unacceptable…….but this punishment does not fit. Might as well just have made em tear down the stadium…..turn the place into an elder hostile…..nuke the campus……cancel classes for 4 years. The fact is…..though this story is heinous, there is such a thing as overcooked…..sensationalized…..grandstanding (like by the attorneys that no doubt are passing out business cards all over the state) I’m no PSU fan but I’m sickened that Paterno’s statue is down…..when the man is dead…..no opportunity to defend himself. Ironically, the school swiftly removed his monument but how quickly will they refund his personal financial contributions (well into the several millions)……you bet your sweet Nittany behind that won’t happen. Ridiculous.And you suggest that the alumni will help pay the cost? Are you brain-dead? Alumni will get fired up and contribute to a stadium, a sports complex, maybe even a dorm……but certainly not to pay a bunch of ambulance chasing attorneys and eleventh hour victims. I always liked you Jeff, but you’ve turned “Terrence Moore” stupid on this one.

SEC Fact Finder

July 23rd, 2012
9:44 pm

Dr. Mark A. Emmert has been the President of National Collegiate Athletic Association since November 1, 2010. Dr. Emmert served as President of University of Washington since June 14, 2004. He served as the Chancellor of Louisiana State University from April 1999 to June 2004. He served as Chancellor and Provost of the University of Connecticut from 1994 to 1999. He served as Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs at Montana State University, where he held administrative …

Lets look at Mark Emmert a little closer. UCONN-UConn faces a postseason ban because of several years of low scores on the NCAA’s Academic Progress Rate. The school argues the penalty was applied retroactively and hurts current students, who had nothing to do with the low scores.

But this type of academic performance has not just started at UConn, this academic graduation was at 28% of student athletes in Basketball when he was president/provost.

Montana-another former Emmert stop over-

The NCAA notified the University of Montana on Jan. 30 that it is investigating the Grizzlies football team, though the particulars of the investigation are unknown.

Kevin McRae, the associate commissioner of higher education for the Montana University System, released the NCAA’s Letter of Inquiry to the Missoulian a little after 5 p.m. MDT on Wednesday.

The announcement came after the media asked for specific information about a possible NCAA investigation. UM already is the subject of investigations by the U.S. Departments of Education and Justice into its handling of sexual assault and harassment allegations. According to the billingsgazette this behavior was well know while Emmert was the President.

Emmert did the right thing in hammering programs with Money penalties, it probably should have been 120 million or more while leaving the scholarships alone would have been more appropriate in my opinion. Hurting kids who had NOTHING to do with decisions made by coaches, administrators, and child molestors.

I would prefer the NCAA use MAJOR monetary penalties and bowl bans over scholarship reductions. The one exception is of course if a student athlete is proven to have broken rules and he or she should be ruled ineligible. Money talks in this environment but the dollar penalty has to be strong enough to make the statement and it hurts those who allowed the rules to be broken.

SEC Fact Finder

July 23rd, 2012
9:46 pm

“Emmert did the right thing in hammering programs with Money penalties, it probably should have been 120 million or more while leaving the scholarships alone would have been more appropriate in my opinion. Hurting kids who had NOTHING to do with decisions made by coaches, administrators, and child molestors”

Hurting kids not in the Sandusky case, but hurting student athetes…I should have been more clear.

Penalizing kids on scholarship is what I should have said.

Sopwith Camel

July 23rd, 2012
9:51 pm

Schultzie, you said that Penn State will lose 40 scholarships over 4 years. I understood that they would lose 20 per year for 4 years. But I’ve seen it quoted in several articles that they are to lose 10 per year and in several other articles that they were to lose 20 per year. Which is correct?

[...] Penn State said previously they accepted penalties from the NCAA to avoid the Death Penalty. Gary Schultz of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wonders why they got a choice.  [...]

Paul in NH

July 23rd, 2012
10:47 pm

I can’t disagree with the severity of the penalties against PSU – anyone who read the Freeh report had to be disgusted and angry at the school – but I though this quote from Emmert was a little rich

“Programs and individuals must not overwhelm the values of higher education.”

This coming from the head of an orgnization that has long since sold itself to network TV for the almighty dollar. An organization whose members don’t even know what time their games are going to be played until informed by their paymasters. An organization that funds itself by running a 3 1/2 week tournament for which TV pays approximately $1 Bn / year. Yep – NCAA division 1 sports is all about the educational mission.

Disgusted

July 23rd, 2012
10:54 pm

The Paterno statute could serve best if it were recycled in secret.

I have no feeling for Penn State that they would keep that Pig around and you have to wonder how many kids did not get abused before 1998.

Perverts do not start their stuff in their 50’s. How many kids could have been abused before 1998???

We will never know.

No excuses, ovearll the punishment was fair. Best wishes is for the current players who had nothing to do with this.

Disgusted

July 23rd, 2012
11:03 pm

Covering up for that Pig Sandusky is the worst violation in American Sports history.

SMU and the U of Miami in their most arrogant days were choir boys compared to this.

Its a good precedent, cause no coach will cover for this disgusting garbage again, I just hope that the victims who are grown men now can move forward with their recovery and get better for their own souls.

The establishment at Penn State were too big for their own good.

Wilbo

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 pm

Very disappointed in the NCAA. Very. Nothing but the death penalty would have matched the incredible callousness and corruption of protecting and enabling a pedophile solely to keep the football program sailing along.

Sautee Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:49 pm

Jeff I agree with you, empty seats for the next 2 seasons at Beaver Stadium would have sent a message to the fans, alumni, and faculty that this was wrong and just how wrong it was. Every football Saturday in Beaver stadium should be spent asking for forgiveness from these victims.
Give them time though Jeff and they’ll be lining up retired Penn State alumni on sportscenter saying how unfair these penalties are for Penn State.
It’s coming jeff. Wait and see!!!

SEC Fact Finder

July 24th, 2012
12:03 am

Question to all of you including Mr. Schultz who wanted the “Death Penalty’. Is there one single person left on the staff, or even in the school administration chain of command involved with this sickening case? No, not to my knowledge in reading everything I have read. The current coaches, players have nothing to do with what went on with Sandusky, or the coverup.

Second question and be honest; If this was your school, they had fired everyone involved, would you still want the death penalty for your school? I extremely doubt it.

You have the right to your opinion. I am more concerned about the 60 million collected being used by every attorney, administrator and other cost that will not go to the direct education and service to the kids who are abused in that area. That 60 million dollars should have been placed in a trust where any kid abused could get the opportunity to go to college, trade school, get counseling and move on with life( if possible).

The facts are is that PSU will be irrelevant for 10 plus years in college football, the stygma associated with this case will last forever and any player who played at PSU will be shamed due to nothing of their making and that is a shame to those players who played, studied, graduated, and went on to be successful in life in due to their time on the campus at Penn St.

The entire case is shameful, however the life long association with the Penn St. name will be something they will have to talk about for the rest of their lives.

Sautee Dawg

July 24th, 2012
12:04 am

Jeff, what people are overlooking is vacating wins is not punishment to somebody who’s passed away. And as far as the $60 million fine goes, Penn St. averages $11 million per home game. This fine will be paid back by the time the season is 3/4 over with. Not getting to have football would have done a better job of opening up some eyes to how serious these crimes were.

SEC Fact Finder

July 24th, 2012
12:26 am

Sautee Dawg

July 24th, 2012
12:04 am
Jeff, what people are overlooking is vacating wins is not punishment to somebody who’s passed away. And as far as the $60 million fine goes, Penn St. averages $11 million per home game. This fine will be paid back by the time the season is 3/4 over with. Not getting to have football would have done a better job of opening up some eyes to how serious these crimes were.

I respect your opinion, but you need to go to SI and read Andy Staples column. It may open your eyes to what having a football season affects and guess what? It is every other sports program, academic facility and program at PSU which affects the students. I as a child disliked PSU but I respected them, I now have major doubts about their program and what Joe Paterno was allowed to control with his power. But a death penalty is just hurting the kids on campus today. I do think the fine should have been double to about 120 million.

Good luck to you and your school this fall.

GTBob

July 24th, 2012
12:51 am

kinda reminds you of your messy little probation you got hammered with after you “blew” the NCAA off at Tech last year, right????

Our probation was at least within the NCAA’s jurisdiction. They didn’t just make up a new bylaw out of the blue like they did with Penn State.

GTBob

July 24th, 2012
12:54 am

The business school at Tech is used to pass its football players just like the Crimnology program at FSU was used to pass its players in the 80’s

I guess you missed the point

No, I think you missed the point. The business school at Tech is a very good, highly rated business school that is harder than any major at UGA. It is not designed to hide football players in like half of UGA’s majors.

DetroitBraves

July 24th, 2012
7:06 am

The problem with the death penalty is all of the innocent people it hits, such as the student body that had nothing to do with it and the rest of the conference and other teams on the Penn State schedule. The SMU death penalty can be argued to have been a death penalty for the old SW conference as well. I don’t believe the NCAA understood the ramifications then the way they do today. What they did to Penn State will be absolutely crushing to Penn State while not quite as crushing to everyone on the periphery. I don’t have a problem with the NCAA’s decision.

Lt Col Razorback

July 24th, 2012
7:59 am

In my opinion the “punishments” meted out to PSU are completely appropriate, but not complete. The “death penalty” for a year in addition to the NCAA’s punishments would make them complete. Besides, the death penalty is not a real death penalty at all. Remember that Southern Methodist University (SMU) was given the death penalty, but they are still playing football, albeit with much less success than they achieved prior to their “punishment”. PSU can and will recover from the punishments leveled against them. Like SMU, the prospects of their returning to the loft heights of a top-ten team again, are remote in the near term; but highly likely in the long run — death penalty or no death penalty.

dean

July 24th, 2012
8:46 am

@Frenchie @ 9:28 7/23:

Was the American reaction to, oh, saving your country a typical one, also?

I imagine the French reaction to child rape is “C’est la vie!”?

F U, frog.

The Flats Are where its At

July 24th, 2012
8:50 am

Bobby B in The ACC…..The GREATEST!. More than Bear, more than old fahhhrrrt Joe…..lol. “This kinda makes free shoes and tatoos look like baby cchhhiit alongside o’ what this maniac is doin “—–was channeling my Buford T Justice.

Bill Payer

July 24th, 2012
9:00 am

Other than Rick Reilly at ESPN, I’ve haven’t seen where any media people admitted that they had a part in the deification of Paterno over his career. The media kissed his skinny ass for years to help put him in a position where he couldn’t be challenged. I lived in PA when Paterno hit retirement age. The administration at the time wanted him to retire. The press went crazy. Eventually the University backed off, and here we are. Now the media is ripping on Penn State like a monkey on a pork chop. They’re a bunch of hypocrites. Next week they’ll be kissing some other athlete/coaches ass. If you don’t think so, just last week the media was acting like if Drew Brees left NO, the world would end. No statues for the living would be a good rule of the thumb going forward.

GT

July 24th, 2012
9:05 am

The sad thing if it had been a chemical professor the odds of him getting caught would have been a lot less. This stuff goes on for years for a reason and very well may be going on in your community right now. Who punishes the rest of us who turn our heads when the woman next door is getting abused or child? I think, sadly, we duplicate this story every day not wanting to get involved. To say these people turned their heads at Penn State and the rest of society doesn’t do this because the motivation of saving a football program is not at stake is wrong. You’re having a good day and then something like this creeps into your life it is very easy to turn your head and keep having a good day.

GT

July 24th, 2012
9:21 am

I think Bill Payer is right. Jimmy Johnson treated the U. of Miami administrators like dirt and they kept begging for more. They had a special on ESPN and some of his quotes were unnerving, he declared himself god and dared anybody in that place to say differently. Looking back I admire Arkansas for having the guts to fire Petrino. The lesson to learn in this is no man no matter how successful is immune to his or her responsibilities to society. That is the message lost when we build up a Bobby Knight or a John Calipari. like Dick Vitale and many others do, ignoring these personality because they are successful. This gives the world the wrong role models. Too big to fail is running this country, we have become bum worshipers and no one calls us out on it.

Dixie Red Coat Band

July 24th, 2012
9:39 am

Don’t tell us that UGA is the Only school that may offer a PSU player a scholarship!

md

July 24th, 2012
4:54 pm

I can’t agree…..this whole concept of group punishment and guilt by association in relation to the actions of a few is totally asinine.

Those kids on that field for all those years had absolutely nothing to do with the infractions committed by those handful of individuals.

And in the case of the death penalty, please do tell how taking the job away from some little girl selling tickets in the ticket office is the right thing to do? What did she do?

Would you be amenable to getting punished if a higher up at the AJC committed a crime?

I bet not………..

Yancey

July 24th, 2012
4:55 pm

Get off your high horse Jeff….

Texas Pete

July 24th, 2012
5:08 pm

Jeff, you are absolutely full of BS. You failed to think that most of the people that were directly involved are gone, and the others that may have some involvement will undoubtedly be gone very soon. The football program is as good as ruined. The punishment is almost the same as a death penalty, but the one saving grace is that hundreds of small time people who live off this program, and had absolutely nothing to do with these horrible incidents will get to get making their livings. You would just throw these people out in the street without a second thought, and all the other readers who can’t think for themselves would just follow along with you. The penalties are not going to help the boys ruined by Sandusky, neither would the Death Penalty. None of this will help them.

Blaise Collin

July 24th, 2012
5:13 pm

“There is a need for a cultural change at Penn State”: so, the actions of a few (say 3-4 people) define a “culture”? Or do we assume that the vast majority of the 50,000 students and 500,00 alumni took part in the cover-up? Or does it refer to the culture of considering football a big part of the school, in which case I assume that we consider that people at Alabama, Nebraska or say USC do not care as much for their football programs?

“misguided individual who hugged and tried to protect the Joe Paterno statute”: well, it’s one thing to pay respect to a coach who changed the face of one’s university in a good manner, and it’s another thing to blindly protect a coach who might have been part of a cover-up of that nature. No one ever said (safe the right-thinking media) that Penn Staters were defending the alleged bad actions committed by Joe Paterno. They’re just trying to protect the legacy of someone who positively impacted their lives, more than 99.99% of the population could do. Talking about being blind, let’s call the Freeh Report the Bible, sentence Joe Paterno to death and move on…

“It would have prompted anybody who ever took part in a cover-up or ignored whispers about Sandusky”: this one is my favorite. Let’s ask all PSU students and alummi to reflect about the horrible actions they did in covering-up. All these Central PA bastards protected a criminal and they should be punished harshly. All of them.

“We send criminals to jail. We don’t tell them, “OK, you can still go back to that bank that you robbed, but now you’ll have to take the bus, and just don’t do it again.””: as a matter of fact the “criminals” are not part of the organisation anymore and whoever is still there is innocent. Unless, again, under the idea that all Penn State officials or students knew. The big PSU cover-up conspiracy.

“If Jerry Sandusky was a chemistry professor and not a former high profile football coach, do you believe he would’ve been protected?”: good he was not a chemistry teacher because I have a friend who got a Ph.D. in Chemistry form Penn State and I don’t think she’d had been please to vacate it. On the other hand it would have been fun to see the authorities try to deal with shutting down the Chemistry department, or restruct how many grad students could attend…

“winning at all costs”: this is another delusional idea from the NCAA and all the ignorant sportswriters. Last time I checked PSU football was not about winning at all costs. Winning is part of sports, but a big deal of emphasis was put in academic success, sometimes at the expense of football results. It’s always good to get the opinion of people who do not know squats about the real situation though.

Bottom line: interesting piece of B.S. Well, of course it makes a nice story, the NCAA looks like they’re still in charge (but ESPN and money is!), and it’s easier to put the blame on the football program even though 95% of its members didn’t know anything about the “activities” of Jerry Sandusky. Oh well, the public opinion needed a scapegoat, the football program was here standing. If nothing was done within a week people would just have turned their attention away so actions needed to be taken quickly. In that regards, it’s a wonderful job. Now the victims won’t feel any better and the community of Happy Valley will endure the consequences of the stupidity of the NCAA and all the sportswriters who applaude their decisions. And I’m not just talking about winning football games, I’m talking about the hit to the local economy, the college experience for all the students, etc. Stupid decisions from stupid men. So goes the world…

SWAC Guy

July 24th, 2012
5:22 pm

They should have received the death penalty, what kind of message are you sending kids now who may be going thru something of the same nature, that its ok they will be fined, FINED, that’s it one year’s pay, kill the tv contracts or games that would have been televised for 2 – 4 years or every year this went unspoken and not properly reported and investigated, now youi send a message here and around the country to all.

md

July 24th, 2012
5:30 pm

Fined? Last I checked they were going to jail…………..as they should be.

The innocent in the program should not have to suffer for what they did not do………

sliderule

July 24th, 2012
5:31 pm

I am more than a little puzzled at the moral outrage against Penn State (which it deserves I believe), but where are the similar feelings against the Roman Catholic Church for similar, but far worse allegations?

md

July 24th, 2012
5:47 pm

“but where are the similar feelings against the Roman Catholic Church for similar, but far worse allegations?”

Just an fyi, but a priest was just sentenced today for up to 6 six for his part in covering it up. As it should be, punish those involved………..

230gr Full Metal Jacket

July 24th, 2012
6:00 pm

While I agree with Jeff (My God! I can’t believe I just said that!!! ;) ), I think many are missing the bigger message. Schools like Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Florida State. Miami, etc, etc — you know, the “football factories” where a bunch of illiterate kids playing a childs game with a deformed ball is WAY more important than anything as silly as actually educating the students — had better take notice. At all of these schools, Football is placed on a ridiculous pedestal and protected by the administrations at all costs. Academics is secondary to them. While their may not be little boys being molested in their programs, they ARE just as guilty as PSU of putting a game over and above their supposed primary purpose. To make it even worse, they do so against the will of most alumni!! They do it to appease the WalMart/sidewalk fans so they’ll come to campus once a year and spend a bunch of money. Period. Anything goes as long as Bubba is happy with how the team performs. What happened at PSU could easily happen at any of the SEC schools (with the probable exception of Vandy) because any observer knows the SEC administrations will do anything to protect their respective “brands” which is usually determined by success on the football field, not in the class room. Not picking on the SEC — this attitude is becoming common in ALL conferences — but the Good ‘ol boys in the SEC have been doing it for so long that they have pretty much made an art form out of it!!! Do you think if Nick Satan did something horrible the administration would immediately go into damage-control mode and cover it up or spin it to somehow be the fault of someone else (probably Auburn, lol)?? Of course they would!! As long as they can claim to be the National Champions in a childs game it’s all good. Everything else is secondary to the folks in charge. Sadly, this attitude is very common among both administrators and sidewalk fans. The “Football first” mentality has permeated MANY programs. And why should we be surprised? You take children and convince them they are the greatest thing ever just because they can play a GAME well, then you make coaches into little dictators and pay them ridiculous salaries (How many PHd-level professors get paid anywhere near what most coaches get paid???) and give them essentially unlimited power within the program. It’s only a wonder that things of this nature (administrations covering for coaches and/or players misdeeds) don’t happen more often!!!! Schools need to wake up and realize that colleges do not exist to support athletic teams. Or if they do, then they should meet the same fate as PSU.

RTD

July 24th, 2012
6:29 pm

Jeff,
How is the view from the cheap seats? You should remember you are a sports writer not an omnipotent king. No one wins in this situation, least of all the real victims! It’s time to move on where football is considered and let those that we taken advantage of begin to heal.

Enough

July 24th, 2012
6:42 pm

Jeff, give it a rest. How long are you going to beat this horse?

Stumpknocker

July 24th, 2012
6:52 pm

Realy “SHOOTZ”….The death penalty. Since when does the NCAA have judicial authority over criminal cases. This had nothing to do with Penn St football………but all those former players had their record changed because Emmert and Co couldn’t wait for the court system to do it’s job. I, in no way support Sandusky and hope the sob spends the rest of his life in prison. Speaks volumes about the power hungry (gestapo) approach the NCAA takes in this case.

Tucker

July 24th, 2012
6:59 pm

To quote Dale Brown, the retired LSU basketball coach, from 30 years ago, “The NCAA would screw up a two car funeral procession.”

Hazleton Dave

July 24th, 2012
7:00 pm

Hey Jeff, let’s pretend the following: The PSU scandal happened instead at your paper, in the Sports department, back in 2001; The CEO read your “lynch mob mentality” articler, and decided to shut down the entire Sports department for 2 years!

Boss: Loved the column. You’re fired, but free to look for work elsewhere. Creative Loafing is hiring!
Schultz: What? That’s crazy, I wasn’t even here in 2001. In fact, I was in 6th grade
Boss: Like your article said, the innocent always get hurt in these things
Schultz: Did I really write that? I didn’t think you or anybody else ever read my column.
Boss: First time in years!
Schultz: Why did I join an outfit led by people who were secretly committing crimes 12 years ago?
Boss: Well, those people are no longer with the Paper, so punishing you is the next best thing.
Schultz: If somebody has to be punished, might as well be me and the rest of the Sports staff.
Boss: Well, also had to fire ad sales staff, printers, janitors, carriers, and a few others.
Schultz: Well, you did need a “Cultural Change” — get rid of the new people who weren’t here, to bring in newer people.
Boss: Hear the nearby bars and restaurants will do the same
Schultz: So will companies that sell equipment and supplies to us, and who place ads in Sports
Boss: Yeah, sure they’ll have layoff with slower sales for their products
Schultz: Those innocent jerks had it coming, too.
Boss: But, look at the bright side, at least I still have my job!
Schultz: Yes, I am happy for you, even though you worked here in 2001, not me, and maybe even knew what was going on, not me, you clearly deserve to stay.
Boss: LET THIS BE A WARNING TO ALL! IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME WHILE WORKING FOR MY PAPER, I WILL WAIT 15 YEARS AND THEN HUNT DOWN THE NEW PEOPLE THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND PUNISH THE SNOT OUT OF THEM.

Seems ridiculous, doesn’t it. Just like your column. It’s so much easier to condemn the innocent when you are not one of them! You should interview one of them, look them straight in the eye and explain your article to them, see how they react. Each of them has a story, and they deserve better, especially those that are still children. And the “that is how the NCAA has always done it” argument is just dumb – back in the 1950s, the way it “was done” was that certain people had to sit in the back of the bus, but clearly that didn’t make it right and we don’t do it like that now. In this case, the NCAA had no legal authority to punish those who allegedly participated in the cover up, and Joe Paterno was already dead, so the only option for them was to punish innocent people. And you not only applaud that, but argue they should have punished the innocent even more. That approach is like shooting a mosquito with a cannon, with reckless disregard for the collateral damage. And to me, that is shameful. Not just because it makes no logical sense, but because of your callous indifference to the players that had nothing to do with this tragedy, and the thousands of others whose lives would be turned upside down by your proposed “solution” to the problem.

Hazleton Dave

July 24th, 2012
7:13 pm

Jeff – Let’s pretend the following: The PSU scandal happened instead at your paper, in the Sports department, back in 2001; The CEO read your “lynch mob mentality” article in today’s paper, and decided to shut down the entire Sports department for 2 years!
Boss: Loved the column. You’re fired, but I hear Creative Loafing is hiring!
Schultz: What? That’s crazy, I wasn’t even here in 2001. I was in 6th grade.
Boss: Like your article said, the innocent always get hurt in these things, always have
Schultz: Did I really write that? I didn’t think you or anybody else ever read my column.
Boss: First time in years!
Schultz: Should have never joined an outfit led by people secretly committing crimes 12 years ago.
Boss: Well, those people are no longer here, so punishing you is the next best thing.
Schultz: If somebody has to be punished, might as well be me and the rest of the Sports staff
Boss: Had to let go of some of the ad sales staff, printers, janitors, carriers, and a few others.
Schultz: Well, you did need a “Cultural Change” — get rid of the new people who weren’t here, to bring in newer people.
Boss: Hear the nearby bars and restaurants will do the same, and some of the companies that sell equipment and supplies to us
Schultz: Advertisers will probably have layoffs too, with slower sales, but those innocent jerks had it coming, too.
Boss: Look at the bright side, at least I still have my job!
Schultz: Yes, I am happy for you, even though you worked here in 2001, not me, and maybe even knew what was going on, not me, you clearly deserve to stay.
Boss: LET THIS BE A WARNING TO ALL! IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME WHILE WORKING FOR MY PAPER, I WILL WAIT 15 YEARS AND THEN HUNT DOWN THE NEW PEOPLE THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND PUNISH THE SNOT OUT OF THEM.
Seems ridiculous, doesn’t it. Just like your column. It’s so much easier to condemn the innocent when you are not one of them! NCAA had no legal authority to punish those who allegedly participated in the cover up, and Joe Paterno was already dead, so the only option for them was to punish innocent people. And you not only applaud that, but argue they should have punished the innocent even more. That approach is like shooting a fly with a cannon, with reckless disregard for the collateral damage. And to me, that is shameful. Not just because it makes no logical sense, but because of your callous indifference to the players that had nothing to do with this tragedy, and the thousands of others whose lives would be turned upside down by your proposed “solution” to the problem.

DawgNole

July 24th, 2012
9:26 pm

Well
July 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

“The entire AJC sports staff will crucify the home team in a NY minute is it means getting blog hits. They will especially do it concerning UGA.”

Atlanta has ONE championship in its entire sports existence. Going after Atlanta sports teams for sucking is well deserved.
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Well said, unfortunately.

DawgNole

July 24th, 2012
9:29 pm

PSU Alum
July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

You know…..Who cares……We still got the Steelers. WHat do you have? The Falcons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Who cares???

Now we see what this guy’s really about. If there are other PSU alums on this blog, I can imagine they are cringing.

DawgNole

July 24th, 2012
10:13 pm

jp
July 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

If I was the PSU pres or AD I would have asked for a one year death penalty over these sanctions.
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Uh, I don’t believe they were in a position to ask for ANYTHING–much less preferential treatment.

TORONTOPLOPI

July 25th, 2012
1:31 am

Mark Emmert and gang made a huge error injustice when they penalize the present coach and players who are completely innocent of any error.

AD Stinky Fingers

July 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

Pedophile State U, no lessons learned there. Death penalty was a must and the NCAA fumbled. The civil suits should really hammer the estate of Paterno, the scum Sandusky and PSU.

By the way, anybody seen my life? Where them red panties at?

HAL

July 26th, 2012
8:01 am

The few people at Penn State that saw fit to protect their reputation rather than fire Sandusky and get him off campus will be punished. Their actions and the positions they held helped make money for the Penn State football program and keep Paterno’s record intact. The innocent people , fans, players , stadium workers and others that benefit from football in State College could have been better served had the NCAA leveled a fine of 30 million each year for 10 years and done nothing to the football program except vacate the wins that occurred during the time of the cover up. In that way no innocent people would be hurt.
The Big 10 could take the bowl money away from Penn State for the same time period. It is all about the money and in this case innocent kids got hurt in the process.

Brinda

July 28th, 2012
3:00 pm

I’m fine with the fines. The post-season ban is ok. I don’t think I would have taken away as many scholarships though. And I think a 2-year ban from television would not have been out of line.

Landon

July 29th, 2012
11:00 am

I feel bad that kids who had nothing to do with the coverup are getting punished by the NCAA, but on the other hand, the NCAA really had no choice. I do not think that sitting back and doing nothing made sense either.