Penn State deserves death penalty for Sandusky cover-up

The problem isn't just what Jerry Sandusky (left) did but what Joe Paterno and his superiors didn't do. (AP photo)

Joe Paterno and other Penn State officials enabled the actions of Jerry Sandusky. (AP photo)

(Updated: 12:45 p.m.)

If we make a big deal about a college football program playing dumb when a recruit takes free shoes or tattoos, or his family lives in a house rent free, how can we look the other way when evidence screams that one of the nation’s most powerful universities enabled a pedophile?

How can we sit through something so sick and vile as the testimony in the Jerry Sandusky trial and conclude that this was a one-source scandal worthy of only one individual or entity suffering consequences?

Penn State should not be allowed to play another football game. It put sport, image and fundraising above everything else. That is what every cheater in college athletics does, and because of that it deserves the NCAA’s “death penalty.”

Southern Methodist University, one of the nation’s top academic schools, saw its football program given the death penalty in 1987 because it put athletic success above what so obviously was considered morally acceptable. Isn’t it now clear that Penn State did the exact same thing?

In fact, what the powers Penn State did was worse. Their actions involved not materialistic goods but defenseless victims who will suffer for the rest of their lives.

According to a 267-page report by former FBI director Louis Freeh, the four most powerful men overseeing the university and the football program – president Graham Spanier (since fired), athletic director Tim Curley (on “administrative leave,” under indictment for perjury), vice president Gary Schultz (suddenly retired, also under indictment) and the late coach, Joe Paterno (fired in what would be two months before his death) — knew far more about Sandusky’s sick perversions and abuse than they let on. They knew it far longer than they let on.

And here’s the punctuation, your honor: They “concealed critical facts,” according to Freeh.

There’s a term for that: cover-up.

“Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State,” Freeh stated.

We don’t need to know anything else.

When this story first broke, Paterno said, “This is not a football scandal and should not be treated as one.”

Many agreed. Many still do, including some misguided alumni and football All-Americans and probably surely those numbskull students who marched on campus, embraced Paterno’s statue on campus and protested his firing without any regard for the victims.

The problem is concluding that because Sandusky’s reprehensible acts did not lead to a competitive advantage, the football program shouldn’t pay. But the cover-up changes that. What the powers at Penn State did was beyond anything any college athletic program has ever done, beyond free clothes or free rent and academic fraud.

To hell with a free Camaro. We’re talking about sweeping allegations of a child sex offender under the rug in order to protect a school’s image, fundraising and recruiting. There is no more extreme example of a lack of institutional control.

Penn State deserves to be hit hard. That may seem unfair to the student-athletes, officials and fans who knew nothing of Sandusky’s acts or the cover-up. But that’s the case with all NCAA sanctions.

This investigation was commissioned by Penn State at a cost of $500,000 per month. So much for Freeh having some anti-Penn State agenda. The report numbers 267 pages, resulting from 430 interviews and 3.5 million emails and documents. Freeh’s staff included former prosecutors, FBI agents, police officers, attorneys and a Navy SEAL.

Freeh said he found “more red flags than you could count, over a long period of time.” He said the leaders at Penn State had a “callous and shocking disregard for child victims.”

He said an “inference could be drawn” that the school was trying to protect the football program, noting, “bad publicity affects a panorama of different events, including the brand of Penn State, the reputation of coaches [and] the ability to do fundraising.”

He said Paterno was not being singled out, but at one point declared: “The facts are the facts. He was an integral part of the act to conceal.”

Emails reveal Paterno was clearly following the school’s internal investigation into allegations of a 1998 assault of a young boy by Sandusky in the Penn State locker room showers, something Paterno publicly denied. The same school leaders “proposed a plan of action” after learning of a 2001 incident reported by an assistant coach, but then decided against informing authorities.

“The most powerful leaders at Penn State … repeatedly concealed critical facts,” Freeh concluded.

The “Tone at the Top” of the school, he said, dissuaded school janitors from coming forward after witnessing incidents: “The janitors were afraid of being fired for reporting a powerful football coach.”

Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in prison. He could’ve been stopped sooner. But Paterno and the powers at Penn State were too concerned about the ramifications, off and on the field. That makes it a football scandal, as well.

By Jeff Schultz

810 comments Add your comment

AugustaFAN

July 12th, 2012
10:25 am

Lance

July 12th, 2012
10:27 am

I agree. Colorado coaches and adminstrators allowed and covered up rapes and sexual assaults by football players during Bill McCartney and Gary Barnett’s tenures.

As the father of a high school cheerleader with aspirations to do it in college, isn;t the greatest fear that the school she goes to isn’t safe because of institutional apathy?

Its a shame Joe Paterno died before spending time in prison for what he did. He enabled a pedophile for decades. The thousands of Penn State alums and supporters who don’t see the outrage deserve to have no football teams for at least a year, if not longer.

candle1976

July 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Agreed. This goes way above the usual NCAA infractions. If this isn’t ‘lack of institutional control’, then what is? Are you seriously telling me that free shoes, paid players, and all is worse than this? Hell no. Then again, this is the NCAA and money rules over principle – always.

Jeffrey

July 12th, 2012
10:27 am

Enter your comments hereWelcome back shultzie First. And yes death penalty.

Dawgjunky

July 12th, 2012
10:27 am

College football is more complicated and more of a money making business than it was back in the 80’s when SMU got the ax. I just don’t see that the death penalty, rightly deserved or not, will ever be on the table for Penn State.

joe

July 12th, 2012
10:31 am

Thank you. We need the media to hound this until it happens

Steve

July 12th, 2012
10:32 am

the NCAA needs to make a decision on this quickly, before the fall football season. like my Facebook page Death Penalty for Penn State Football and make the NCAA hold Penn State accountable

atomic-dawg

July 12th, 2012
10:34 am

I do not agree. These players and past players had nothing to do with this. Just send everybody to jail for as long as they breath. This was crime committed at the facility not breaking ncaa rules to gain an advantage.

Dr. Phil

July 12th, 2012
10:35 am

As a former professor at two state universities, I can say the the attitude of administrators at Penn State exists elsewhere, hopefully to a lesser degree. College presidents earn obscene amounts of money. Our own dear Mike Adams has taken home over a million dollars a year in pay an benefits and even set up a retirement program for Mrs. Adams. There is too much money floating around, and university presidents have become policitians rather than educators. The Penn State administrators have certainly behaved like politicians of the worst sort, yet the public is powerless to vote them out. Maybe if Curley, et. al. do some hard jail time, it might make others take note.

atomic-dawg

July 12th, 2012
10:38 am

I do not agree. These players and past players had nothing to do with this. Just send everybody Guilty of turning there head to jail for as long as they breath. This was crime committed at the facility not breaking ncaa rules to gain an advantage.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
10:39 am

This absolutely was done “to gain an advantage”. The advantage of keeping this quiet about their perfect little institution.
Think of the negative publicity they were able to avoid for over 10 years.
No other reason to hide it.
Death I say.

gomdawg

July 12th, 2012
10:39 am

I CAN FILL THE PAIN FOR THESE YOUNG BOYS AND FAMILY , WITH THAT SAID I HATE IT FOR THE YOUNG MEN AT PENN ST. THAT ARE FOOTBALL PLAYER, BUT PENN STATE HAS GOT TO GET THE DEATH PENALTY.

R. Stroz

July 12th, 2012
10:40 am

When this story initially “broke,” I called for the death penalty. I’m glad to see others agree.

NW ATL 4 LIFE

July 12th, 2012
10:42 am

So basically if that old geezer Paterno were still alive he would be indicted for perjury? Not a law expert, so someone please clarify this for me. That aside this whole scandal just reeks of the most callous and arrogant of our society. These people looked the other way while this Monster ruined these young men’s lives, who knows how many others there are out there that have not come forward. I hope Sandusky rots in hell and if there is a just god Paterno is right next to him for the rest of eternity. Any person who even tries to defend Paterno, Sandusky or the entire PSU football program must endorse this type of behavior and be perfectly fine with grown men raping boys in the shower. DISGUSTING. If PSU never plays another football game who cares??? They haven’t been close to relevant in years.

Abnerish

July 12th, 2012
10:43 am

This goes beyond the football program, doesn’t it? I wonder if the University itself will be able to survive this scandal. I can only imagine the number of zeroes on the lawsuits that will be forthcoming from the victim’s and the victim’s families. It may bankrupt the University and it’s Athletic Association. They may get the Death Penalty by default.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Jeff,

Perhaps you can point me to the NCAA rules governing the sexual abuse of young boys ad the penalties for it. Whats that? Oh, they don’t exist because its a criminal matter completely outside the purview of the NCAA? Gotcha. I cannot understand that people who are advocating this position. Its like arguing that the EPA should prosecute someone for tax fraud.

SM

July 12th, 2012
10:44 am

Agreed. Is there any more obvious example of lack of institutional control than covering up a violent criminal on your staff? I agree that the current players and staff will be caught up in this, but a stand has to be made. Football success and financial success cannot come before the safety of anyone on campus.

NeoDawg

July 12th, 2012
10:45 am

In the instance of SMU – the ‘crimes’ committed were victimless. Players got paid by donors in violation of the rules – but every participant did so voluntarily. This is clearly not the case here which makes it far worse than what SMU did. I don’t think the NCAA will ever do a death penalty again, but if they do – it is difficult to imagine a better ( or should I say worse) situation for it.

Bob

July 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Paterno was senile for the last 15 years or so. So leave him alone.

Old Scratch

July 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Ole Joe took the easy way out, burn it to the ground.

X

July 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Well, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first. Death penalty ain’t gonna happen.

Dweam Team II

July 12th, 2012
10:48 am

A-Remove all of Joe Paterno’s wins from the record books.

B-Death Penalty for PSU football…thats means no more football EVER!

C-The Big 10 drops them from the conference

PMC

July 12th, 2012
10:49 am

I don’t think it had anything to do with football though. This had to do with willful abuse of power not football Jeff.

Giving PSU the death penalty fails to punish the right people. PSU needs to be fined, Sued, and the living members of that group need to be in prison.

It’s not about PSU football. What good does them not playing for 2 years do? It only punishes students and people who had nothing to do with this crime.

Penn State may not exist as an institution after this. That’s a lot bigger than football. Covering up 14 years of abuse and giving a job to a GA to keep him quiet is more than enough to cut down football for 2 years but what good would that do ultimately?

This is bigger than sports. It’s about power, and the abuse of power, and the failure of people in power to do the right thing, because of the culture in place at the time.

TURTSNAP

July 12th, 2012
10:49 am

Well stated and very true! Hopefully the NCAA holds the University accountable for this disgrace!!

ERIC

July 12th, 2012
10:50 am

ITS FUNNY HOW THE HATERS WANT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THESE A$SES.SURE LETS MAKE ALL THE ATHLETES PAY FOR WHAT A FEW DID.HOW ABOUT WE GIVE THE DEATH PENALTY TO THE CATH. RELIGION FOR LETTING ABUSE TO CHILDREN GO FOR DECADES, AND ITS STILL GOING ON.

Paula

July 12th, 2012
10:50 am

Jeff, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. An entire athletic department (and its athletes) should be punished for what a handful of people at the top of the university did, or in this case didn’t do? Wow. My guess if this were UGA your thoughts would be different.

Ramblin' Wreck

July 12th, 2012
10:50 am

As a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and as a grown man dealing with the ramifications still to this day I hope Joe Paterno burns in hell

SM

July 12th, 2012
10:51 am

@ rational You are cleary NOT being rational. A rational human being sees what went on and wants to shut down the entire university for condoning this behavior. You are, in fact, irrationally trying to justify pushing this aside so that the football program can go on. Quit looking at this as a football issue and see it as criminal cover up.

gomdawg

July 12th, 2012
10:51 am

I think that the Wins that Joe Paterno that gave him the most wins by a coach should be riped and Coach Bobby Bowden given the most wins by a living coach. Because if this was open up 10 years ago Joe would not have had the wins

ga_observer

July 12th, 2012
10:51 am

Penn State chose to permanently scar the lives of innocent children to protect their football program and the money it brings the University. Imagine that a math professor hid child rapes in order to protect the image of his chess team. Would the image of the chess team be protected to the point of hiding the brutalization of young boys? Oh, it’s the money – all the more reason to close the football program: they let greed and power obscure the sanctity of the innocence of children. They don’t deserve the money or especially the power. Unforgivable.

Brian Rose

July 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Yes, absolutely give the “death penalty.” For 2 reasons: 1) It is the only punishment Penn State will truly feel. It has plenty of money in the coffers to buy a settlement out of court, and go on its merry way. Take away Penn State’s football. 2) The devastating impacting of “the death penalty” is deserved. SMU’s program was ruined for a decade or more when it got the DP. As far as I’m concerned, the decade or more that Penn State continued to win games while allowing Sandusky to go about raping boys, is all stolen time and unjustly won victories. The only way to re-balance the scales is to take those back, by dealing Penn State the same kind of blow. Ban them for a year, let their talent flee to other schools, let them spend a decade rebuilding.

gomdawg

July 12th, 2012
10:53 am

SM the football coach cou;d have stopped this years ago simple it was wrong I hate it for Penn St. but it is what it is.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
10:56 am

The athletes there now can easily find other places to play, so quit whining they will be harmed.
IF the FB program had not been in such control of the entire institution, this would not have happened.
Make the penalty harsh enough that it stands for something.

SimpleDawg

July 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Burn ‘em all.

Sanctimonious Joe Pa knew about this from the beginning, but he wasn’t going let the world know that Linebacker U has a pedophile coaching his defense and turning out beastly tackling machines, all while he was victimizing young boys.

Never liked him….had no idea he was such a POS.

I’d vote for a 1 year suspension of football and for prosecution of those involved in the cover up.

hhh222

July 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Buzzer

July 12th, 2012
10:57 am

I have thought the same thing Mr. Schultz.
I thought this right after Paterno was fired.
We have to show some kind of response other than business as usual.
Penn state has no right to participate in football because their head man allowed children to be raped for YEARS and did …NOTHING.
Their entire culture was based on lies.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
10:58 am

@SM, no I am clearly being rational in looking at the situation, realizing that it is not covered by the jurisdiction of the NCAA and moving on. You and Jeff are being irrational by looking at the situation and deciding that you are so upset, that the NCAA should do something, even if they dont have the jurisdiction to do so, cause you so MAD.

NW ATL 4 LIFE

July 12th, 2012
10:58 am

Matt Millen should be fired……why is he given a forum to talk this nonsense???? This fool actually said that overall PSU still ran a clean program…WTF!?!?!? They facilitated child rape for at least 10 years. They hid a violent and sadistic criminal from law enforcement also, but this cat Millen has the gaul to say they still ran a clean program and Paterno should still be looked at as a guy with character. Please, they should take his statue down and take that POS to the scrap yard. ESPN needs to put Millen away ASAP…

Jon Love

July 12th, 2012
11:00 am

My blood is boiling!! I want these four scum bags involved in this coverup to experience everything these abused children did. What is reasonable punishment for these scum bags?

Bubba Bean

July 12th, 2012
11:01 am

@rational person – You have got to be kidding me! That analogy was completely illogical. THEY WERE HIDING THE FACTS TO GAIN AN EDGE! Not to mention looking the other way while the vile, perverted acts were taking place right under their noses (literally).

History has shown that sometimes many suffer because of the acts of a few, that’s just life. But whatever suffering that the players, former players, alumni, etc. may go through, will fail in comparison to what those young victims have gone through and will continue to go through for the rest of their lives. There is no logical, sane argument that can be presented in defense of PSU.

NW ATL 4 LIFE

July 12th, 2012
11:02 am

Give me a dirty Florida, UGA, USC, or Ohio State football program with star players driving brand new cars around campus or getting arrested for stupid sh*t over a football program like Penn St. that endorses child rape

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
11:04 am

The NCAA is paralyzed by the myriad of miniscule rules that they inconsistently enforce. Any death penalty must come from the state legislature.

ed

July 12th, 2012
11:04 am

the $$ of the settlements just went way up.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:06 am

@Bubba Please point to the NCAA rule that was violated by Jerry Sandusky abusing boys. Oh there isnt one? So there are no violations of NCAA rules? So under what authority are they going to shut the school down under?

PMC

July 12th, 2012
11:07 am

It may make more sense for Penn State to shut down the athletic department alltoegther for a decade or so.

They may be better off focusing completely on academics. The brand is so damaged it may take 20 years to recover.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
11:09 am

“Lack of institutional control” irrational p…..

Dawg Haus

July 12th, 2012
11:10 am

Wow… It seems like there’s even more information coming regarding this case. We should all pray for the victims and their families while hoping for a suitable punishment for the responsible parties. How incredibly sad this all is.

oldfart

July 12th, 2012
11:10 am

Yes there needs to be retribution to Penn State for its tacit knowledge of Sandusky’s actions and those involved should be prosecuted not only for their silence but as accessories before and after the fact as it applies.

Beyond this matter though the NCAA itself is culpable for promoting the platform that cultivates these situations. Using ringers that were no more viable students than cabbages has gone on since the days of Heisman and there wasn’t nearly as much money involved in those days. The NCAA and University presidents offer tacit approval of this farce that is a very lucrative minor league for the NFL and that will not be changing. Criminal behavior beyond sports rules has been ignored previously and I would submit that it will continue in a system whose very premise starts with the lie that college football is done for the good of the students and their education. Do I expect any real reform with the obscene amounts of money involved? NO

Bob Sacamano

July 12th, 2012
11:13 am

Good to see all the stone throwers out if force

blackbird13

July 12th, 2012
11:14 am

The NCAA is a cowardly, weak body, so there will not be a death penalty for football at PSU. But there should be. Freeh was quite clear that the power of the football program at PSU led to this coverup. Killing the football program would set a powerful example for other schools that allow athletics to corrupt their institutions. Yes, it’s unfair to some, but there are bigger issues at stake than someone’s athletic career.

bubba

July 12th, 2012
11:15 am

penn state will not receive the death penalty. Please understand what the NCAA can and cannot do. The people involved should go to jail. The school will lose financially from lawsuits.

SawThat1nce

July 12th, 2012
11:16 am

Shultz, you would make a fantastic lynch-mob leader. haha.
This is Paterno’s legacy, he will be remembered for this above all else.
The men involved with the coverup, should be charged as accompliaces.
But, to shut down the entire football program, is reactionary.
You did a good job, with a minimum amount of effort(once again), jumping on a front burner story, to generated the maximum amount of hits on your blog, as possible.

Kick 'em in the Teeth

July 12th, 2012
11:16 am

Why does there seem to be no accountability in major programs. Hit em where it hurts and don’t let them play the games. Doesn’t have to be forever, but programs like that need to be prevented from getting all that money from playing games. It’s the money that leads to all the corruption. Sadly, if they know it will hit em in the pocket-book, maybe they will stop it from happening in the first place.

KINGDAWG

July 12th, 2012
11:17 am

Two of the so called “leadership” were athletic depatment employees(Curley-AD and Paterno) so those of you who claimed they were innocent I feel sorry for you. A simple question that goes to your own moral core…would you still condone the actions of Penn State if that was YOUR child being abused. If you do then God help you.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:17 am

@brw a lack of institutional control is defined as a systemic disregard for enforcing NCAA POLICIES, not committing crimes. People keep throwing that term around as if it is some generic thing the NCAA can just decree has occurred but it is actually a defined term.

Former Georgian

July 12th, 2012
11:19 am

The four people involved in the coverup should be sent to a regular prison, not a white-collar one and then they will likely experience what the victims experienced. Paterno’s name should be removed from all record books as if he never existed. And to punish all the Penn State football fans who agree with the way the university handled this, Penn State should be banned from playing football. And I would feel the same way if this had happened at Georgia.

yep

July 12th, 2012
11:21 am

I say let law enforcement handle the punishment. the NCAA will just screw it up.

The Obgyn

July 12th, 2012
11:22 am

Death Penalty. Minimum 20 years like SMU. Allow all players from Penn State to transfer out without having to sit out. Or stay with full scholarships in tact IF they don’t want to transfer.

Father of 5

July 12th, 2012
11:22 am

Agreed. Paterno says this didn’t involve the football program?!? How can you punish today’s players for the actions of past university leaders? BECAUSE THE PSU FOOTBALL PROGRAM ENABLED CHILD RAPE. Over and over again. The head of the FBI, paid by PSU, concluded that PSU knew about this in 1998, when they politely asked Sandusky to leave quietly, rather than put him in jail then. The sick “problem” became much clearer in 2001, so they covered it up even more.

At a minimum, a big, loud message needs to be sent. Football is not bigger than the lives of those boys that have been taken — by the leaders of the football program and that sick university. Shut down the football program and remove all Paterno’s wins since 1998 — when King Paterno and his minions first asked Sandusky to hide his perversion.

PMC

July 12th, 2012
11:24 am

The death penalty is a 2 year penalty.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
11:24 am

@rp, If you don’t believe the NCAA, and the Big-10 have some wiggle room with those definitions, and the fact this cover up was done solely to gain/keep an advantage in attracting/keeping athletes at the school, then you are being over-rational.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:25 am

Still waiting for a single person to tell me what NCAA policies were violated. I suspect I will be waiting a long time.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:29 am

Rational- what you are saying is 100% factually correct, but the emotional h’hang before a trial crowd” has to get this out of their system. You might as well be banging your head against a wall right now.

In keeping with their theme I think the local police should be reprimanded and possibly jailed for not prosecuting him in 98. Makes about as much sense.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:29 am

@brw I think your convenient stretching of the “covering up facts to get a competitive advantage” is suspect at best. Additionally, I am not aware of an NCAA regulation barring seeking a competitive advantage, and indeed, all schools seek to get this. This was a crime. It has been prosecuted, and in some cases, is still being prosecuted. It has nothing to do with the NCAA.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:29 am

Rational- what you are saying is 100% factually correct, but the emotional h’hang before a trial crowd” has to get this out of their system. You might as well be banging your head against a wall right now.

In keeping with their theme I think the local police should be reprimanded and possibly jailed for not prosecuting him in 98. Makes about as much sense.

Margaret

July 12th, 2012
11:30 am

Whatever sentence Sandusky gets so should PENN State football, year for year.

Herschel Talker

July 12th, 2012
11:32 am

Schultzie:

Welcome back! We missed you!

KILL THEM ALL!!! GIVE THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM THE DEATH PENALTY AND GIVE ALL THESE ANIMALS THE DEATH PENALTY FOR THE COVER UP!!!

HT

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
11:35 am

The picture of the two above may suggest that Sandusky had a mentor.

jw

July 12th, 2012
11:36 am

Honestly, the NCAA should invoke the death penalty. That way it causes the university to prove it doesn’t deserve the punishment. Instead of throwing 4 or 5 guilty individuals under the bus and pretending the university was in the dark about everything, the entire university deals with the repercussions of what happens when you turn a blind eye to stuff you know is going on.

Joe Pa and the boys were powerful, but the university as a whole should have stepped up – even custodians told of stuff happening – every board of trustees and every campus board of directors on that campus should have to live with the consequences of this mess. They knew it was going on.

Make Penn State prove they did everything possible to prevent this crime from happening – they can’t – so bust them where it hurts the most – university integrity and athletics.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:36 am

If it is true that Paterno persuaded the PSU officials not to report the 2001 incident to officials outside of the PSU system then he is indeed guilty of perpetuating this horrific situation and his legacy should be scrubbed. The officials should obviously be fired and if there are charges that can be pursued I hope they will be.

Red

July 12th, 2012
11:37 am

Money over the safety of kids. Penn State should be punished.

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:37 am

If they don’t get the death penalty for at least 5 years, then the
NCAA will have less than what its got now, zero credibility.
Can one have less than zero credibility?

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:38 am

@jw how can the NCAA invoke the death penalty if no NCAA rules have been broken? Just because they are MAD?

Pedo State

July 12th, 2012
11:38 am

Name is stuck to the school for a while. Not sure football program deserves all the blame, but certainly the death penalty wouldn’t seem excessive.

Carolina DAWG

July 12th, 2012
11:38 am

Well written and we in the Palmetto State AGREE!!!! This coverup was well planned and executed for over 14 years!!!! These men are TRASH for not stopping this child abuse when they knew about it early on. Put this guy in a HOLE and feed him once a week until he Dies!!!

The Real JC

July 12th, 2012
11:38 am

Penn State has been playing football since 1887. Jerry Sandusky was born in 1944. He started coaching at Penn State in 1969. First sexual assault accusation happened in 1994. That’s over 100 years of Penn State Football before any reported molestation, or at least as far as we know now.

We’ve had bad Presidents and horrible congresses – why not just give those institutions the death penalty? Like Eric said above, why not give the Catholic Church the death penalty for covering up serial molestations by their priests?

Yes, everyone who was working at Penn State for the last 20 years should likely be fired and possibly jailed. But what about those working and playing for Penn State for the 100 years prior? It’s like killing a fly – a really big, disgusting one, to be sure – with a shotgun.

Penn State has an opportunity to become a model of transparency in the NCAA, given the chance. Giving them the death penalty is punishing the masses for the mistakes of a few.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:39 am

@St Simons, how would punishing a school for NOT breaking NCAA rules give them more credibility?

StingerSplash

July 12th, 2012
11:40 am

If this doesn’t meet the litmus test of “lack of institutional control,” then does any malfeasance or transgression on behalf or by an academic institution ever do so?

Tear Down the Statue

July 12th, 2012
11:41 am

this is/was a criminal matter; and now that Sandusky has been convicted and the report has been presented; any sanctions will come from the courts (Sandusky’s sentencing, the dispostion of the State of Pennsylvania’s cases agains Curley and Spainer; and of course, the many civil suits to be brought against Sandusky, PSU, and the Paterno estate). In many regards; Paterno (whom I loathed and pity as a coward and shameless, arrogant man) was correct; this case has nothing to do with PSU football. It has EVERYTHING to do with Joe Paterno, The Penn State University A.D. President, et al. why punish the entire university for the actions of a few?

LJ

July 12th, 2012
11:41 am

It a completely new oganization now, the monster has been put away, JoePa is dead, new coach, new start. This needs to be put to rest! The death penalty would only hurt more kids, the players… who havent done anything wrong

Old Scratch

July 12th, 2012
11:41 am

The state of Pennsylvania should decide not to throw any dime into Rape State. The conference should throw them out and the NCAA should state that instiutions that behave in this manner do not meet the expectations required of its members and will not be allowed to complete. This whole cover up was to save face for the university and to a large extent the money factory called the football program. Letting athlectics slide untouched is a joke.

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:42 am

and those of you defending Penn St against the DP

your ‘position’ on child sexual abuse has been documented in a natl
newspaper. congratulations

gt4ever

July 12th, 2012
11:42 am

They should get the Death penalty, but those noodle necks will not even come close to doing the right thing!

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:42 am

@stinger As explained earlier a lack of institutional control is the systemic disregard for violating NCAA policies. No NCAA policies were violated here, so it very literally does not meet the litmus test of “lack of institutional control.”

Tommy

July 12th, 2012
11:43 am

They should give the death penalty to the entire athlectic department.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:43 am

@st. simons I am not defending the terrible actions of all involved, I am pointing out that this has nothing to do with the NCAA

NW ATL 4 LIFE

July 12th, 2012
11:44 am

@ SSIgator
I have been thinking the same thing…it wouldn’t surprise me if Paterno was playing around in the shower too….bunch of sick f***s

Red Queen

July 12th, 2012
11:45 am

I agree 100% with the death penalty – for at least one year – but I doubt if the NCAA will take any action at all. They’ll issue some kind of announcement that it’s a matter for the legal system to handle, then wash their hands of it.

jw

July 12th, 2012
11:46 am

rational person – institutional integrity plays large in this too. Don’t remember the SMU deal being totally about athletes – it included all the behind the scenes crap that was going on. Success of the program over following the rules – seems PSU is dead on with that one – bet when it’s all said and done, all that blabber about not being in NCAA trouble during the 100 years of the Paterno regime will probably be proven to be fabricated, too!

If you are willing to sacrifice the innocence of children for the sake of your football program, proving your players followed all NCAA rules for eligibility is a piece of cake. I hope the NCAA checks that out, too!

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:47 am

St. Simons- You lack of comprehension/reasoning is on national display. Stating opinion that DP for criminal offense doesn’t fit under NCAA purview is in no way establishing a “position” on child sexual abuse.

Your ignorance is duly noted.

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:47 am

if there were any justice in the world, you would have to identify yourself
smarmy anonymous blogger.

what part of ‘lack of institutional control’ don’t you understand.

again, congratulations

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:47 am

@jw, you are correct. The NCAA found that the administrators and coaches had a complete disregard for following NCAA policies. I am sure you can see the difference.

blazerdawg

July 12th, 2012
11:48 am

The PSC scandal is the definition example of “lack of institutional control”.

All of the Big 10 supporters and midwest media need to be denied their argument that the death penalty will cause more harm and hurt innocent individuals as a result of a football program termination. PSU should have considered the harm to the innocent victims and the children that would not have been victims if they had acted correctly when the initial crimes were revealed.

And they look down their nose at the SEC/old SWC schools for small recruting allegations (and realities) related to kids that would have chosen the same school anyway.

Death penalty to PSU.

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:48 am

rivercard, your position on child molestation is duly noted in a natl
paper, congratulations, i’m sure you deserve it.

Tear Down the Statue

July 12th, 2012
11:49 am

St. Simons…, speaking for myself; I am not “defending” PSU or Paterno, but at the end of the day; the “Death Penalty” would just lead to more litigation. Perhaps the current PSU leadership/administration should do the right thing and suspend the football program; but again, between recruiting/letters of intent/current scholarships; as well as the many contracts (ESPN/Big Ten, Nike, etc.); to punish the entire PSU athletic department seems excesive and somewhat kneejerk in my opinion.

P B Orr

July 12th, 2012
11:50 am

Let’s face it, “college” football is a joke, as much as we all love football. My own interest has been declining steadily since the mid 90s and has nothing to do with the fortunes of my team. The endless columns of moronic, venal, and possibly criminal “skoller affleets” who pass through every team’s locker room had already made it a laughing stock, and now this? I’m done.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:51 am

@st simons- I think the better question is what part of it do you not understand. As noted, a lack of institutional control only refers to a systemic disregard of NCAA policies, not criminal behavior. I understand you are not very bright, but please try to grasp this critical distinction.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:51 am

LAck of institutional control as concerning NCAA rules/policies.

You throw stones first and then want to act insulted and call for identities.

Island time must include a lot of drunken commenting.

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:51 am

i will point out rivercards tolerance of child molestation on every blog
from here on out, for-evah

Shug

July 12th, 2012
11:51 am

But if PSU is given the death penalty it may be left out of the beloved playoff that so many people whined for. What about “settling it on the field?”

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:52 am

@blazer You are completely incorrect.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
11:53 am

My position is duly noted. I think any and all criminal charges should be pursued. you get that?

Has zero/nada to do with DP argument.

Steve

July 12th, 2012
11:54 am

Can we at least rename the football team to the Penn State Pedophiles?

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
11:55 am

rational person, if you’ve ever been to Happy valley, or worked with PSU
alums, you know that Paterno WAS the institution.
The End

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
11:56 am

knows that I hated Bill Curry and Joe Paterno. Now, Bill Curry as a color analyst was a different story. Intellectual, articulate, concise.

Penn State deserves everything that happens regarding this mess which most likely will be a drop in the 60 million dollar revenues.

Again, again, again, Paterno had not be significantly relevant since 94 (even though that team was questionable (final ranking 1)). The facts. Before 88, Paterno finished in the top 5 eleven times, after 88, 3 but yet the school kept him on. We are Pedophile State.

The death penalty won’t happen but here’s what will happen. Penn State will play for the NC in 7 years or less (see FL after Spurrier left, see Green Bay after the overrated Farve left, and like 100 other examples). You saw it here.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
11:56 am

@st simons- The end of what? What does that have to do with NCAA policies?

The Real JC

July 12th, 2012
11:57 am

I’m with Steve. Fair AND balanced!

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
11:57 am

final ranking not equal to number 1

blazerdawg

July 12th, 2012
11:58 am

Rape in PSU locker room, committed by PSU coach, witnessed by PSU coach – who informed other PSU coach and administration, PSU administration covers-up allegation, PSU later hires/promotes coached that witnessed one of many incidents, all victims recruited by monster trading on the PSU name – in plain view of PSU administration that was aware of past allegations, which have been proven in court to be true.

Nope, no lack of institutional control at PSU.

Fan

July 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

Convict all guilty parties. Lock them up, throw away the key. The PSU Fans, innocent students and athletes should not have to pay the price that 5 or 10 spineless leaders failed to do for 14 years. Make brutal examples out of them. 200 years of prison or execution.
If this was GT or UGA what would we say?

jw

July 12th, 2012
12:00 pm

SMU got the death penalty and PSU doesn’t deserve it – not a rational person way of thinking.

Who knows – the NCAA has their arms up so many backsides they probably can’t do much about it anyway.

From a compliance standpoint, tells you how useless the NCAA has become – Mark Richt and Paul Johnson can get in more trouble for sending text messages to recruits than the athletes that have tested positive for drugs and arrested for serious crimes. Both campuses have multiple incidents of that happening. The NCAA is little more than a bump in the road that no one fears. Their policy bite has no teeth anymore.

The NCAA is probably hoping that it will just all magically go away.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

@blazerdawg- which NCAA rule did any of that break? Is there some new NCAA regulation governing child molestation that I am unaware of?

oldfart

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

@rational person- From the NCAA Constitution:

2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility. [*] The institution’s responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.

gt4ever

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

What a complete JOKE PSU… Anybody that rationalizes anything other than the Death penalty is delusional at best….

BobDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

BOB…. JOE WAS UNDER 75 WHEN THIS FIRST HIT IN ‘98…. THE REAL COVERUP HIT IN 2001 WHEN MCQUEARY SAW THE SHOWER RAPE…. PATERNO STOPPED ALL FROM GOING TO THE POLICE AS HE KNEW IT WOULD BRING HIM DOWN THEN….

90

July 12th, 2012
12:02 pm

Anyone that thinks this coverup happens if it were a chemistry teacher committing these crimes in his classrooom? Absolutely not. This has EVERYTHING to dol with Penn St. football. EVERYTHING. Penn St. football was used to recruit, groom and molest young boys. Penn St. football then willfully covered up these acts for 14 YEARS while more young men were victimized!

Do you really think this wasn’t done to gain a competitive edge in football? What happens when your defensive coordinator is charged with sexually abusing young boys? Young male recruits stop coming to play football for your university.

To say this isn’t football related is just sticking your head in the sand.

Also, look at 2nd mile for the money trail. THese people were morally bankrupt. If they would cover for a pedophile, they would darn sure pay some players, and use a charity to do it.

Marcellus Wallace

July 12th, 2012
12:03 pm

Yes, Penn State should receive the death penalty, and Paterno’s wins should be stripped from him in the record books. If Paterno had spoken with a Southern accent, that certainly would happen. In fact, many in the media looked the other way regarding things that happened at Penn State, even before this came to light.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:05 pm

@old fart- Nice try but the paragraph before that defines the scope of that responsibility

It is the responsibility of each member institution, through the chancellor or president, to “control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association.” – NCAA Constitution 2.1.1.

Note the critical component of “compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association.”

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

A man who once led the NCAA’s committee on infractions says the college sports governing body should not bring severe sanctions on Penn State related to the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

Gene A. Marsh, who served on the NCAA Division I infractions committee from 1999 through 2008, and chaired the committee from 2004 to 2006, said he believes there are two reasons the NCAA should essentially stay out of the Penn State situation.

– The charges of which Sandusky was convicted, although horrific, likely do not fall under the purview of the NCAA, which typically reserves its attention for allegations of academic fraud or efforts to gain an unfair competitive advantage.
Once Penn State goes through the criminal and civil proceedings associated with the case, there would be little to be gained from the NCAA adding another layer of punishment.

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

Eddie Robinson is kicking his coffin right now. All the NCAA needs to do is find something to remove 2 victories from Paterno.

How can they let this record, which will never be broken, stand over football.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

ABSOLUTELY! The PSU football program should be shuttered immediately. This was a coverup that involved the university and specifically the football program. The cover up occurred to protect the football program. If this is not lack of institutional control I am not sure what is? Shut it down completely for 5 years…let current players transfer to another school without wait time or penalties.

Please continue to demand the death penalty…we need more in the media and public to put pressure on the NCAA.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
12:08 pm

I might add that in my opinion the right thing for PSU to do is shut down the program on their own accord.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

@trs, it isnt a lack of institutional control as defined by the NCAA.

Snake Eyes

July 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

Let’s go back to our history of the death penalty and college athletics. The death penalty was imposed on SMU because supporters of the program were paying players and paying for players to come and play for their team. Contributions were made by private citizens to the football program to get players of high quality to come to little SMU and they were caught doing it. That’s why SMU got the death penalty.

What happened at Penn State, as heinous and evil as it is, was not done under the auspices of making the football program better. There’s no inherent improvement of the football program behind this. Sure, Joe Paterno is at the center of this, but how does enabling a pedophile improve a football program’s performance? He was a football coach; granted, a football coach wielding a lot of power at this institution, but a football coach nonetheless. What happened to these children is as evil as it can get, but trying to rationalize that the entire football program is at fault for the actions of one man and the inactions of a few is something I don’t understand. To say that Penn State shouldn’t earn another dollar and should be shut down because of the criminal acts of one and the malfeasance of a few as a reason an institution and it’s football program should suffer for their decisions is not something I agree with (and in this forum it is my choice to respectfully disagree).

Paterno, along with the then president of the University, the athletic director, and others, covered this up and allowed it to continue without lifting a hand otherwise. For that they ALL should rot in a jail cell and let someone do to them what was done to those kids. As a father I feel for all of the persons victimized by this, but you don’t see institutions like the Catholic church being imposed with a death sentence or being forced to close its doors due to the malfeasance of its priests, or any other institutions who get caught up in something so despicable like this closing its doors because of public outcry behind its action or lack of action to address it. So why should Penn State, yes an educational institution not a religious one, be forced to close its doors surrounding its football program when this doesn’t have anything to do with the football program? It involves a former assistant coach and the head football coach, as well as administrators at that institution that acted criminally to protect the reputation of the institution as a whole. All men with titles that can be dealt with summarily. Punish the entire institution for the actions of a few? I can’t agree with that.

The NCAA can’t get involved unless it proves that the football program somehow benefitted from this. How is there a benefit in any of this? If there were athletes involved with the molestations and it was covered up then yes, kill the program. But we’re talking about a former assistant coach whose actions were covered up by administrators. In this, we must govern our passions about it. Make no mistake, I am still of the mindset that all of this was wrong, and am increasingly disturbed that nothing was done to stop it, but the people who were at the center of this are gone. No longer affiliated with the university. Those that have come after this shouldn’t be held responsible for what took place during this time. Penn State will somehow come under fire via civil suits; the criminal suits will be levied against those still alive that are involved (while it does appear that civil and criminal suits could possibly be levied against the estate of Joe Paterno, which includes his family) so those responsible will be held accountable for what’s happened. Believe that. But nothing’s gonna happen to that football program.

BobDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

….. the Lawsuits themselves may bring the program and University down all by itself…

gcs

July 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

Does anyone else think the timing of these cover-ups coinciding with Paterno coaching milestones is very telling?

It said that Paterno knew about allegations against Sandusky in 1998 just as he was approaching his 300th career win.

Again in 2001, he was approaching Bear Bryant’s career victories mark of 323 when Paterno also appeared to thwart a 2001 PSU investigation.

I used to be a fan of Joe Pa until the early 2000s when it seemed he had lost his touch and PSU suffered for it because he stubbornly refused to retire. I thought then that he should’ve stepped aside but did not for the selfish reason of the career wins records. Now, I am certain my instincts were good and just.

.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:11 pm

I would really like to hear Jeff Schultz’s justification for this in a context that actually examines whether or not the NCAA has the jurisdiction to do something like this (which it doesnt) because no NCAA regulations were violated (which they weren’t)

Jaded Dawgs Fan

July 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

I tend to agree with a few others that the people who weren’t associated with the crimes shouldn’t be punished. I understand that sometimes collateral damage is sometimes necessary for the greater good, but I think you can appropriately punish the people who deserve to be punished without hurting others.

The NCAA should not give over to a mob mentality. People are justifiably angry, but cooler heads need to prevail. Let those who allowed this tragedy to happen get their just deserts. But don’t make innocent bystanders suffer.

Spiker

July 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

Some state universities only seem to exist to support the football team (looking at you SEC). Education brings up the rear in a parade of near-tribal chauvinism. Penn State was held up as the exception; a school that graduated literate players and expected civilized conduct. Now that conceit is in shambles and Penn State in disgrace.
This is an opportunity for the university to redeem itself and demonstrate that it has its priorities right. Yes, the football monster should die. Sadly, I suspect that it’s immortal.

BobDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

Matt Millen is on ESPN right now and still covering up for Paterno….Can we send Millen to jail now also???

getalife

July 12th, 2012
12:15 pm

I agree.

They should get the maximum penalties.

Peggy Roche(Use Huge Football Fan)

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

As a victim myself, no penalty even comes close to being appropriate. However, as child abuse (and in this case to the extreme) is a felony, anyone involved in covering up this crime is legally as guilty as the abuser. More Penn State officials need to be in jail! I am surprised that there is even a discussion of the Death Penaly for the Football Program. It should have been an automatic response initiated by Penn State itself. I am sorry about the current players, but many of them played while the abuse was going on. Perhaps the NCAA will allow them to transfer to another school without having to sit out a year. But the Death Penalty is being given to the school, not the players. It is difficult to imagine a more valid reason than sexual abuse to issue a school the Death Penalty. Come on! Even with current testimony, it is obvious that knowledge of the abuse was widespread within the entire sports program. It is appalling that anyone would think that the school should go unscathed for knowingly allowing a sick individual to continue to abuse the youth entrusted in their care.

Old Dawg

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

The civil suits against Penn State, the media coverage, books, TV mini-series and other stories will wreck the reputation and financial security of the school for decades. Hell, anyone who lived during the Kent State shootings considers it when the school is mentioned. Same thing with Virginia Tech and other schools where violence has occurred.

Right now I’m vacillating whether the school deserves the death penalty or not. The university certainly needs to be punished, including the athletic department/football program. If a death penalty is warranted, shouldn’t the NCAA rethink its policies and administer more severe punishments for programs like Ohio State and Southern Cal?

The NCAA obviously needs to be reorganized, with a clearer policies and procedures for institutions that step out of line. I can’t remember anything happening like this in the past and I sure as hell hope it doesn’t happen again in the future. To ensure that, the NCAA and university presidents need to develop an action plan that lets the whole world know that any school that hides from the law is a running sewer and will always be punished, no exceptions allowed!

Terry

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

Someone’s earlier post implied that covering for a pedophile and allowing him to continue to utilize his affiliation with the University’s football program as a benefit to attract victims and continue his pedophile activities at University facilities and out of town football games is not related to NCAA violations. If the reason you are not reporting a pedophile’s activities is to protect the football program’s reputation, then yes this is providing an unfair advantage to the football team. Would Penn State have been able to recruit and retain quality football players, coaches, and fans if it was known that their most senior University and most senior football officials had allowed a suspected pedophile to continue to affiliate with the football program, even after his retirement, and not to report his activities with children to authorities? I am arguing that maintaining the reputation of a University and especially their football program by protecting a pedophile rather than protecting his disadvantaged previous/future victims does provide an unfair advantage to the football program. Allowing a college football player some free perks does not compare to being complicit in ruining a helpless child’s life to protect the reputation of the University and their football program.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

The NCAA absolutely has the power to shut the program down. “Lack of institutional control” is one of the main tenants of the NCAA rules when it comes to university athletic departments…and this surely applies to this situation.

DCDAWG

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

Show me in the rules where this is a NCAA violation and I would support the death penalty? Is there a catch-all clause?

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

@trs- Lack of instituttional control refers to the systemic disregard of NCAA regulations. What NCAA regulation covers raping little boys? I havent seen it.

BobDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL… YOU THINK????

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

No Bob, I don’t think.

Greg in Virginia

July 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

Joe Paterno turned out to be not the man that many people hoped (and wanted) him to be. What has happened at Penn State has played out many, many times before. Anytime you have a large powerful institution in a fairly small and isolated community (be it a factory, university, religious institution, etc.) there is a danger of this type of culture developing. The leadership often develops a warped and even perverse view of their role and the latitude with which they can run their lives with respect to others in the community. The Penn State officials were the worst sort of enablers. The institution which gave them their power, their money, and fed their egos became the altar at which they worshipped. From a practical standpoint, it became the god in their life. People who believe in ideology don’t let facts get in the way of what they believe, or what they choose to do. These little boys were ‘facts’ that just got in the way of the god of ‘Penn State football’. The institution (and their personal comfort) was worth more to these men then the well-being and protection of little boys who lived in Happy Valley. The entire culture at this institution has to be changed. This means different things to different people. For some, killing the football program is the answer; others will want to see large civil settlements; others will want additional criminal trials. Each of these may factor in to the necessary next steps. The hardest thing to change will be the collective lack of courage that exists there today. Dozens, if not hundreds of people, each held a piece of the puzzle in their hand over the past 20-30 years. There are doubtless many additional victims who have not come forward yet. All it should have taken was 1 single person of courage to get this situation properly addressed. Several of these people did show themselves over the years. In each case there was a knowing and collective effort to suppress and bury the truth.

99.99% of people who attend or work at Penn State are no doubt horrified and disgusted by what they continue to learn about their beloved institution. Let’s hope that enough of them can now find the courage, that they were missing earlier, to make things right in Happy Valley.

All that is necessary for evil to prosper is for good men do nothing….

RxDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

“It may seem unfair to the student-athletes and university employees who knew nothing of Sandusky’s acts or the cover-up”

And that’s my problem with it. It’s entirely unfair to 99.999% of the PSU family. This would devestate a lot of people that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. I’m not so sure I can support that kind of lynching.

Craig Miller

July 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

As an SMU alum, I wholeheartedly agree. But I would have wholeheartedly agreed anyway. Shut it down. If not for this, then for what?

Justice

July 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

Joe Paterno is answering to a much Higher Authority for his lack of action.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
12:22 pm

You can see in the picture what JoePa is doing with his right hand, but you can’t see what Sandusky is doing with his own left hand. Any guesses?

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

@getalife- The maximum penalty in this case would be nothing, as no ncaa regulations were violated.

Tear Down the Statue

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

is it me; or does it look like Sandusky’s left hand is….? but seriously folks; this is a criminal/legal matter and it is SO FAR BEYOND the “bubble” of NCAA/BCS jurisdiction it isn’t even funny. and for all the lockerroom lawyers; the “lack of institutional control” clause of the NCAA bylaws has to do with the operation of athletic programs. as I said; the action/lack of action on the part of Paterno, Curley, Spanier, et al violated Pennsylvania (and possibly federal) law. like the NCAA itself; any sanctions related to the football program will be trite and meaningless.

Mrs Lovejoy

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Won’t somebody think of the children?

Big Dog 98

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

Yes, Penn State deserves the death penality; however, for the sake of ole Joe “Cover-Up” Paterno … the punishment will be very mild.

hornblowermg

July 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

i agree. the penn state officials should be given their choice of either losing their freedom or losing their football program. that should give everyone an idea of where their lofty opinion of their personal loyalty lies. and what happened to those boys goes much further than alluding to stone-throwing; it is something that crushes them daily. shame on you, sacamano.

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

Timing, did someone say Timing! Paterno interviewed 10 months earlier with the grand jury. This S did not come to light till 1 week after he set the record. EVERYBODY was complicit.

Oh at the civil lawsuits it is facing now. Wow, can you say 50 to 100 million and a ton of bad PR.Enter your comments here

Little Giant

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

I would like to see PSU get the death penalty, but I suspect the NCAA will find that it does not have the authority to do so. Nevertheless, I think a compelling case can be made that the reason for the coverup was to protect the program, which allowed them to gain a competitive advantage. There is some speculation in that (would coaches/recruits have gone elsewhere because of the Sandusky issues?), but Penn State football was in a free fall at the time. It appears from the Freeh report that Paterno and the AD did not report Sandusky to the authorities to protect the image of the program.

With regard to not inflicting harm on the current student athletes, I’m sensitive to that, but many (if not most) NCAA sanctions impact those with no involvement. The fact that Freeh castigates the Board for not taking proper action even when the charges were announced in March 2011 shows a continuing lack of control that needs to be addressed. The coverup was all about protecting the football program which, to me, puts it within the control of the NCAA. I hope they take action.

Donald Pridgen

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

Off with their heads.

The present players will find new homes. The message has to be sent. It has to be loud and fast.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

Screw the PSU family. They ALL deserve to be penalized. The cover up occurred to protect the school and football program. The students and other PSU idiot fans that paraded outside of Paternos home after the scandal was made public in support of the school and Paterno deserve to be punished. The football program…Paterno…athletic department all were involved with the cover up. Shut the program down until all of the criminal prosecution is complete.

Woody Hayes

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

And all I did was punch a punk from Clemson…..Figures

Yurtle_the_Turtle

July 12th, 2012
12:27 pm

I hope the Big Three that are still alive are raped in prison. I hope Sandusky is raped in prison and molested. I also hope that Penn State is sued for $500 milllion and shut down for 2 years of football. Seems right to me.

Dawg Tired

July 12th, 2012
12:27 pm

Hindsight is 20-20.

However, I don’t think the NCAA has the authority to hand out the death penalty for the criminal and heinous conduct of a former coach. The head coach reported it to university administrators who failed to act as they should have. The deserve whatever the legal system can do to them. In addition, the civil liability of the univeristy and its administrators may be astronomical. Just don’t see the NCAA doing anything, but if they can find a way to do something they should.

Heck, the NCAA doesn’t often do much when they have direct and clear violations of their own rules. Will be shocked (admittedly pleasantly shocked) if the NCAA does anything of significance in this matter. You can bet the NCAA has legal counsel advising what the NCAA can and can not do in the PSU scandal. In any event, it is much more complicated than Jeff makes it out to be. Now, I am not shocked by that.

Stacy

July 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

“This is not a football scandal and should not be treated as one.”-Joe Paterno. I concur with this statement 100 percent. This scandal is much larger than that. This is a scandal rooted in a lack of institutional control over an individual who effectively controlled the university and those that were supposed to be in control but were too afraid or too ignorant to do their job. This reeks of institutional malfeasance and the institution is criminally negligent as they allowed a sexual predator to prey upon victims using his influence at Penn State to continue his treacherous ways. The NCAA needs to death penalty the football program immediately as this will be the punishment that hurts more than any fine would. Put the program in the dark for two years with no scholarships for football afterwards for a few years. Allow those players on the team now to transfer without penalty or stay with their current scholarship intact to get their degree. And don’t say that we should not punish the current players business and blame the NCAA for being cruel when they should blame the lack of control and blatant conspiracy committed by Penn State that put them in that situation in the first place.

Joe Paterno

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Remember…winning is all that is important. I’ve got the students and fans in my pocket.

cattledawg

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Success with honor……….. What a crock of bs….

GTBob

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Comparing this to SMU is a weird comparison. SMU was essentially paying all of their players through a slush fund and had been on probation 5 times before they got the death penalty. They didn’t do anything illegal they just completely disregarded NCAA rules multiple times. For this case it is very murky what should happen and who should enforce it. I am not fully convinced that the NCAA is who should be making a decision like this. Especially with how corrupt and incompetent they are. I would rather see some real legal ruling that hurts Penn State football in a major way.

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Can you see it now. Joe Paterno and Woody Hayes exchanging water cooler jokes right now. Woody says, “I choked the S out of that Clemson player.” Joe says, ….

Hillbilly D

July 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

I don’t really care about college football and even less about Penn State. I do care about this because it’s a disgrace. They didn’t cover this up for 14 days or 14 weeks, it was 14 years. 14 years is more than just a momentary lapse in judgement, it’s a conspiracy of silence, at the very least. I guess a lot of people’s first instinct is to cover up bad things but decent people suck it up and do the right thing. They don’t take the easy way out, especially when children are the ones being victimized.

This whole thing is a little hard for me to comprehend. These are troubled times we live in.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

Still waiting to learn what NCAA regulation was violated.

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

Hey Woody, great minds. I did not see your post prior to mine.

Jan Kemp

July 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

I thought giving out grades was bad…boy, was I wrong.

Jaded Dawgs Fan

July 12th, 2012
12:32 pm

Imagine how heartbroken the good people in the Penn State community must be over what’s transpired. They have had to deal with and will continue to have to deal with a tremendous amount of embarrassment for being associated with the university. They’ve been betrayed by people they pedastalized. Furthermore, they have no idea what’s going to happen to the football program or the university as a whole from here.

I really do sympathize with people, and that’s why I feel we need take a deep breath before putting Penn State’s football program on the guillotine. It’s not Tim Curley, Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky’s program anymore. It’s in the hands of coaches and players who had nothing to do with Sandusky’s atrocities, and it’s supported by mostly good people who are as horrified by the crimes as we are.

Getting rid of the program would not solve anything. It would be a symbolic move that’s motivated by anger.

The demise of CFB is upon us

July 12th, 2012
12:32 pm

I don’t think the NCAA has the grounds nor the stones to act on this.

That being said, I have a friend who is a PSU alum and booster, with season tickets and big donations and when this all started coming to light he actually said he thought they might have to shut the program down for a couple of years. It has been a painful ordeal for all faithful PSU alums who had nothing to do with it. The University’s image has been tarnished beyond belief.

Now we will see if the University leaders have the stones to inflict the just punishment on themselves. Doubt it, but you never know. If a alum/booster who admits his life revolved around PSU football thinks it needs to happen, surely the new President has similar feelings.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

“rational person
July 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

No Bob, I don’t think.

Actually I believe you think too much. Believe me when I say the NCAA will find enough “evidence” to come up with a punishment for this. They most assuredly are not bound by your “legal” interpretation of the document you know so intimately.

totallydisgusted

July 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

I don’t even believe in the death penalty, but this case is an exception. Everyone responsible for the cover up should be punished to full extent of the law. What they did is beyond deplorable. I have no empathy for any alumni, present/past students and/or present/past employees. Anyone who is unable to understand the magnitude of this crime will never receive my compassion.

chris

July 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

this is not a football scandal! the players on the team did no wrong, why should the players suffer for a couple of stupid old men who are no longer with the university. If anything the scandal itself is a death penalty to the image of Penn state and hurt them in the long run, don’t create more victims like the young men whose futures could be ruined

Always a Jacket

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

NCAA probably didnt consider that a major college would inable child molester, but I think this covers it.

Jeff Has it right.

NCAA CORE VALUES:

The Association – through its member institutions, conferences and national office staff – shares a belief in and commitment to:

• The collegiate model of athletics in which students participate as an avocation, balancing their academic, social and athletics experiences.

• The highest levels of integrity and sportsmanship.

• The pursuit of excellence in both academics and athletics.

• The supporting role that intercollegiate athletics plays in the higher education mission and in enhancing the sense of community and strengthening the identity of member institutions.

• An inclusive culture that fosters equitable participation for student-athletes and career opportunities for coaches and administrators from diverse backgrounds.

• Respect for institutional autonomy and philosophical differences.

• Presidential leadership of intercollegiate athletics at the campus, conference and national levels.

drew

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

Wish you had stayed on vacation Jeff….
Punish every single administrator/coach…but don’t punish the kids who play football. They are pawns and should not have to suffer becaue of holier-than-thou ‘grown-ups.”

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

I can wait to see the Paterno family’s response. His son is another John Edwards in training.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

@brw- Yes they are bound by it. Tha’ts why it is entitled the “NCAA Constitution.” Now, they may amend it after the fact, but that wont give them the authority to retroactively do anything about this situation.

DocDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:39 pm

While the scandal did not involve players or on the field results, which I think the “institutional control” phrase is all about, PSU must be punished. It is unfortunate that current players and others who had nothing to do with the scandal will pay the price of a death penalty, but this is the only way to punish a fan base and a university that enabled a child rapist. Because ultimately it is a fan base and donors that revel in a football team’s success with no questions asked. It is a university administration that protects the goose that lays the golden egg with no questions asked. Those people are best punished by taking away their football team. I would vote for a permanent FBS death penalty, with a review after 5 years as to whether they could field a team at the FCS level. Let PSU be a cautionary tale to other programs about what can ultimately happen if you don’t keep it clean.

Steve

July 12th, 2012
12:40 pm

Dawg Tired @ 12:27

Did Paterno tell officials about it, or did he conspire with them on how best to handle the situation. As more evidence from this report comes to light, it seems more like the latter.

Billy

July 12th, 2012
12:41 pm

This is football related. The damn coaches covered it up along with AD, Pres and VP. Why? To protect the football program and school.
If ever a school deserved the death penalty its PENN STATE!!!!!
The football players at PS should be allowed to transfer to other school.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:42 pm

Well, its a shame that Jeff decided to completely ignore the obvious legal fallacy in his argument with his update. He could of at least said he thinks it would be appropriate but doesn’t know if it will happen due to the fact that the NCAA does not have jurisdiction over these sorts of issues.

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

It’s not like they murdered someone or got caught with drugs. That happens all the time at UGA by the way.

The death penalty is unwarranted. There are far worse things that could of happened, but didn’t.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

Its also a shame that he continues to state “there can be no more extreme example of a lack of institutional control” when he hasn’t cited one regulation that was violated and this clearly is not a lack of institutional control as defined by the NCAA.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

rational person -

No need to wait any more. There is none. This is not about football, although, because of some of the people involved, there are those that would try to turn the picture that way. This is about a sick individual that was enabled (by others and their spineless lack of discipline) and allowed to continue his perverse activities. The mouting lawsuits and subsequent convictions of others as well as the horrible PR for the school will do far more damage than the NCAA could ever do. For the people that are trying to equate this with the SMU incident, try taking football out of the equation and look again at the situation in a different perspective.

Erk

July 12th, 2012
12:46 pm

Hey Rational, don’t worry, it might be outside the scope of the NCAA but the future lawsuits against the university might ultimately have the same effect as the death penalty.

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

I bet if this happened at UGA, you all would be against the death penalty.

Anybody that knows me

July 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

PSU alum, you are a flammer, correc?. Far worse things? For who?

True

July 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

Welcome back Jeff……If they didn’t give USC the death penalty, they’re not giving Penn St. one over non recruiting, legal issues (no matter how dispicable).
The NCAA are pusscatores about handing out the death penalty after SMU. So the dirty tricks keep going on by the Bamalama’s, Auburn’s, USC’s, Texas’, Oregon’s, Ohio St.’s, etc.
They feel they can recover from whatever slackass punishment the NCAA throws at them, if they ever do. And if they do it takes the NCAA 10 freakin’ years to get through an investigation. The culprits are usually gone by then.

BRW

July 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

I’ll go with this statement over any “rational” legal interpretation:
“To hell with a lease for a Camaro. We’re talking about sweeping allegations of a child sex offender under the rug in order to protect a school’s image, fundraising and recruiting, all of which impacts wins and losses. There can be no more extreme example of lack of institutional control.”
We shall see. Neither of us knows the final outcome at this point.
And PSU Alum, if you are one, allow your child to be molested and see if a far worse thing could happen. Jerk.

Tumbledown

July 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

If there is a death penalty, it needs to be imposed sooner rather than later. The innocent players and coaches now at Penn State need to get on with their lives and not have to exist under a cloud not created by them. The NCAA would need to do everything in its power to facillitate the players’ ability to play college football somewhere else. Hopefully, these players can realize that it would be better for them to play somewhere else without this dark cloud. Penn State is about to be hit with many civil suits.

MC

July 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

It is disappointing that anyone would defend Penn State regardless, and really it show how much they lack class, integrity, and honor. I can understand bias, but its clear they covered this up to protect the football program. Furthermore, it wasn’t just one reported separate incident; there clearly was two, 1998 that resulted in the failed “investigation,” and the shower incident. I could see a potential argument for limiting the punishment to the individuals involved had in been only one incident, and Sandusky was removed entirely from Penn State. That wasn’t the case, even after the incident in the shower. How can anyone suggest that isn’t evidence of a cover up by the administration in conjunction with the Football Program, i.e. Paterno.

I don’t want to stop there. Let’s not pretend that anyone that supported Paterno/ Penn State throughout this ordeal isn’t guilty by association. When the victim finally came forward in 2008, authorities pressured his mother to not go through with it, that its not possible, basically tried to persuade her from involving authorities. I don’t have children, but I know to complete certainty that had someone tried to tell that to my dad, it would have been a bad day for that individual; had it been me, I don’t know how I could control my rage. Keeping that in mind, and the reaction from Penn State supporter who won’t take the blinders off regardless— the attitude, that Penn State Football is above all is how this happened, and the Penn State Fans are guilty too because of it. Yes, Fans and players weren’t involved, but their GroupThink/ total screwed up morality and view that football more important than anything created an environment that allowed this to happen. I’m sure a few will read this and get all upset and say they had nothing to do with it. But I guess where do you draw the line? Where do you dig in and say you will not tolerate malicious or evil acts? Because apparently, child rape isn’t on the other side of that line for the Administration at Penn State (University Vice President Gary Schultz and University President Graham Spanier), the Penn State Athletic Department (Tim Curley), or the Penn State Football Program (Joe Paterno).

Where does your moral compass point?

Billy

July 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

PSU..what happens all the time at UGA? what could be worse?

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

Erk -

Agreed

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

@erk- Thats fine. I have no problem with that as that is the proper way it should be handled.

Chuck

July 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

@Bob Sacamano: Are you suggesting that anytime anyone commits a crime that we should just shrug our shoulders and just say, “it’s OK, we forgive you?”

Well

July 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

Jeff, I agree with you 100% on this issue. It’s a sad day in America when this kind of thing happens.

FDRome

July 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

Agreed Schultzie. Shut it down.

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

Rational Person – Your posts are irrational. The recruiting advantage that was gained, and more importantly intended, by the cover-up makes this an NCAA violation. This involved coaches and staff of the football team. Like it or not, it is related to the “institutional control” at Penn State.

You do not want justice. You want injustice on an imagined technicality. You are probably the type of attorney who advertises on billboards. Ignore justice; just make money.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Sorry………But we don’t punish Children for the Crimes their parents commit.
We don’t Fire the janitor for what the Board of Directors do.

The PEOPLE that did this have to be held accountable.
The people now playing sports, teaching, attending classes and maintaining the facilities don’t deserve to be punished for what OTHERS did.

I still think Penn State 7 Notre dame need to make a move to the ACC

rational person

July 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

@talladawg- That was a nice rant. Can you point to a single NCAA regulation that was violated?

Chuck

July 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

@PSU Alum: If a schol I attended (or where I worked) did this kind of cover up, I would be the first person writing to say the program should be shut down.

“Far worse things” than child rape? Are you seriously comparing years of covering up for a child rapist to a teenager using drugs?

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
12:55 pm

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:55 pm

@PSU Alum – No, I would be clamoring loudest for the death penalty. I would not even own a UGa t-shirt if this happened here.

Well

July 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

“I bet if this happened at UGA, you all would be against the death penalty.”

If this happened ANYWHERE, we should all want that particular football program shut down.

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

Evidently the bar for qualifying as a “rant” has really been lowered on here. :)

Hi Jeff

July 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

Welcome home Jeff, If they didn’t nab USC, they won’t put it on Penn St. for non-recruiting, legal matters (no matter how dispicable).
The NCAA is afraid to hand out the death penalty after SMU. So the Bamalamas, Auburn’s, USC’s, Oregon’s, Ohio St.’s, Texas’, etc. keep getting away with their abuses. They feel they can recover from whatever slack punishment the NCAA hands down, if the NCAA even decides to punish the likes of them. Takes them 10 years to get through an investigation. By then most culprits are gone.
Want to hit schools hard today?……Take away their TV appearances and money…NCAA used to automatically do that with probations. Why not anymore?

Well

July 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

PSU Alum

There’s really no need to come on here and fight with other bloggers. This is not a UGA vs PSU argument. What happened, happened at PSU not UGA.

Hi Jeff

July 12th, 2012
12:59 pm

DaculaJones

July 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

I’m sure “Covering up a Felony” is a crime noted somewhere in the NCAA rules

Billy

July 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

PSU Alum..get a life. I’m A GT fan but I have friends that work at UGA (coaches)whom I also pull for. If that crap happened at UGA the other Coaches would beat the hell out of the guy.

Taylor Wooten

July 12th, 2012
1:01 pm

AMEN!

Nothing else to say or debate

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
1:01 pm

Whatever……At least we still have the Steelers…..What do you have? The Falcons? HA!

Billy

July 12th, 2012
1:03 pm

We have a State with Good Schools who like to do it the right way. The Pro’s are another story we have no control over.

dre

July 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

Its a shame the bug-eyed retard Joe Paterno died before spending time in prison for what he did. He enabled a pedophile for decades.

welcome home Jeff

July 12th, 2012
1:04 pm

If they didn’t give USC the death penalty, they’re not giving Penn St. it for non-recruiting, legal issues (no matter how disgusting).
NCAA is afraid to give out death penalty after SMU. The Bamalamas, Auburn’s, USC’s, Ohio St.’s, Oregon’s, Texas’, etc. all know this and aren’t afraid to continue their abuses. They figure they can recover from any slack punishment the NCAA hands out. Although, they hardly ever get punished.

Voice of Reason

July 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

As much as anything, and in reply to Rational Person, the coverup of the actions by a football coach allowed PSU to continue to recruit and to raise enormous amounts of money to support a football program, and other athletic programs for that matter, as if nothing was going on. If JoePa and the school administration had followed through with an investigation and allowed the law to takes it course, they would have had a blip in their way of doing business but by doing the right thing, they would have recovered and become the PSU they wanted everyone to believe they were. As it is, any coverup of violations of the law by coaches or athletes violates the sanctions of the NCAA. Therefore, though no written rule (can you imagine a rule that deals with sexual violation of minors?) is mentioned, it is still a violation of the intent of any collegiate institution to run a clean and morally correct program. Get off your horse and see what the victims of this have gone through and why the coach and administrators had an obligation to do the right thing.

Billy

July 12th, 2012
1:08 pm

If I was a coach are player at PSU in any sport I’d be looking!

Reality

July 12th, 2012
1:10 pm

The Bible tells us that the desire of money is the root of all eveil! Our nation has lost its moral compass and accountability has been abandoned. College football, pro football, even at the Pee wee level are corrupted by adults acting irresponsibly. Break down of the family unit.
If you doubt my comments, just take a look at Congress and the corruption and lack of action against those who commit crimes while “serving us”!
It’s all about POWER and MONEY!

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

Rational person – how about this for starters:

“NCAA By-Law 10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship. Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.”

DocDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

The honesty and sportsmanship rule pretty much covers it (10.01.1). You could also get them on Coaches Compensation and Benefits, and Coaches Reimbursable Expenses. Multiple violations of these bylaws over time and you have lack of institutional control. I rest my case.

Nativebird

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

Sadly, you are correct. Monsters and those that enable and protect them must be destroyed. There are no reasons, no excuses, to continue to let child abusers in this society commit their crimes any longer. Yes, i say any longer, because THIS type of situation sadly occurs IN MANY more places of our society than anyone wants to admit: the Church, Boy Scouts, Youth Athletics, many many work places, and MANY non-profit organziations…anywhere that purports to HELP the youth of our country. and sadly….it has been shamefully covered up in ALL of those places for far too long, by those NOT engageing in it, but by those who KNOW and remain quite do to embarrasment, shame and yes monetary and political gain.
It is time: Death Penalty for PSU football.

Big Ten Champs Nebraska

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

I don’t think the NCAA wants to venture down what they feel is a slippery slope of punishing schools for matters off the field. Some of you make excellent arguments that the cover up prevented negative publicity, allowing recruiting to continue. The problem is, where to draw the line? I understand how many of you feel and I wish it could be reversed.

As some have pointed out, future litigation will take a heavy toll on the school, more so than the death penalty.

I don’t feel Penn State should is the only school punished. I think the sport as a whole is taking a huge hit. I hope this sends a loud message to other programs that the program is not above the law, morals or the lives of others.

welcome home Jeff

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

Want to really put a hurt on schools that break the rules? Take away their TV appearances and money. The NCAA used to automatically do that with probations. Not anymore, apparently. Wonder why?
Schools laugh at punishments today…They’ll publicly scream how bad it is and they didn’t deserve it. So in the future the NCAA doesn’t give out meaningful punishment. All the time laughing behind closed doors knowing they might take an immediate hit, but recover very quickly. Check out USC.

BigGuyinSuwanee

July 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

Sanctions Maybe. Death penalty No not in this case. Sandusky is monster and will spend the rest of his life in prison and Penn St had failure to act to protect those Kids. The President was fired, the VP and AD are facing jail time and Joepa died under tarnished legacy. You don’t take program that’s never done thing wrong and never before been with any violations and turn around and give them the death penality over this. The BOT asked for this report. The NCAA should investigate and apply sanctions they feel are warranted. But, the death penalty should not be applied in this case

UGA Insider

July 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

Death penalty but NCAA will never do it. They would rather focus on the innocent like AJ Green and selling a $50 jersey.

The NCAA is pathetic and college football is going down the drain. Wake up and smell the coffee people…there are more important things in life than who is going to get the #1 class in the nation.

Billy

July 12th, 2012
1:13 pm

Well said @ 1:07

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:13 pm

PSU Alum – Your need to be associated with a victorious sports franchise demonstrates a lack of true self-esteem and an inferiority complex.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
1:14 pm

TallaDawg – I have read a couple of opinions from former NCAA officials stating that this is not under their purview (I tend to agree), but I suspect that if they do pursue this it will be via the angle you stated or something similar. Might be a logical/legal stretch , but they might try it.

My question is why doesn’t PSU get proactive and shut football down for a few years? They paid for this report . Use it and show some respect and decency. Take some time to clean house and heal.

I can’t even imagine the mockery of a PSU football team running on the field to the cheers of the crowd. If I were a scheduled opponent I would not participate in this fiasco.

Big Ten Champs Nebraska

July 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

I wonder how many PSU fans the marched and protested when Paterno was fired still feel the same? I remember the game right after(against Nebraska) and what a big deal they made about how it was an injustice……Sick.

dre

July 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

TallaDawg – he’s spent too much time near Philly, where 85% of the world’s a–holes are raised.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

The JoePa statue at PSU should be torn down and trashed. What a disgrace. All of those kids rioting in favor of JoePa sure look like idiots now, don’t they?

harold

July 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

WELL SAID JEFF. IF THIS WAS AN SEC SCHOOL THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

Dan

July 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

Penn State football deserves to die

Thank goodness the Sandusky jurors did not live down to the expectations of some sports columnists and did not allow any loyalty to a local institution as powerful as Penn State to overcome the performance of their duties by returning a fair and just verdict of guilty against Sandusky. Too bad more privileged and honored members of the Penn State community failed to do the same.

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

At least I have a team to follow that has won several Supberbowls…..More than you can say.

I am no where near Philly….Alpharetta…..For now. Can barely stand the stench here.

David

July 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

If the NCAA has any credibility Schultz is correct. Penn State should have it’s football program banned for good. One it’s own it has merit for the simple right vs. wrong. In the bigger picture; Football (a sport that I love and played for many years) is just a game and a message needs to be sent that no one should but a game over what is right.

wreckbuzz

July 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

Schultz,

I disagree completely. SMU or Ohio State are not accurate analogies. In those instances the university/athletic dept/coaching staffs were complicit in paying players or giving side benefits or lying about them in situations that affected the eligibility of the student athletes. Or in North Carolina where university employees were involved in affecting the academic eligibility of players. Those are areas that the NCAA typically polices and hands out penalties for.

The Penn State situation is a closer analogy of the situations like at UGA when a player gets arrested. In those instances the university separates themselves from the person who committed the crime (suspension or dismissal) while the punishment is ultimately meted out by the police/court system. In Penn State’s situation the offenders were coaches/administration officials. Penn State has since separated themselves from those offenders by firing/administrative leave. Now the police/court system has/will ultimately deal with those people (Sandusky, Spanier, Curley & Schultz, Paterno died).

The NCAA does not hand out punishment to UGA for the crimes committed by an individual, so why would they do so to Penn State when the crimes were not related to the eligibility of the student athletes? I don’t get the connection. The result of NCAA penalties would only punish the current players who had nothing to do with the crimes and gained no on field advantage as a result of those crimes. I know people want to punish this horrific situation, but the NCAA isn’t the forum.

welcome home Jeff

July 12th, 2012
1:20 pm

By the time the NCAA gets through with any of their own investigations, it’s 10 years later and all the culprits are usually gone.
These schools that break rules always do so with some sort of “lack of institutional control”.
Who’s really controlling anything?

Buzz

July 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

Rational person, clearly a label that is false. Must be a Isiah Crowell loving, UGA JD degree holding ambulance chaser

scott

July 12th, 2012
1:24 pm

Frankly, it’s a shame that this is even up for discussion. Outside of a murder cover-up to save the football program, does it get any worse than this?

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:26 pm

Here are the grounds for action and for the “death penalty”.

NCAA By-Law 10.4 ” …Institutional staff members found in violation of the provisions of this regulation [Reg. 10, including 10.01.1] shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in Bylaw 19.5.2.2 of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the certifying institution or during the individual’s previous employment at another member institution.”

NCAA By-Law 19.5.2 – ” Penalties for a major violation shall be significantly more severe than those for a secondary violation and shall be consistent with the penalty structure and guidelines used by other regulatory committees (e.g., Division I Committee on Academic Performance). The Committee on Infractions may impose one or more of the following penalties: … (l) Other penalties as appropriate.” I believe the “death penalty” would qualify as appropriate here.

Why it's a Ruger, thank you

July 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

Let’s see…an “independent investigation” funded by the PSU that only finds faults with the individuals involved. Led by Louis Freeh….who is Louis Freeh and his “Greatest Hits”? well let’s see: Led the FBI during: Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Khobar Towers bombing, TWA Flight 800, Centennial Olympic Park bombing (remember that one?), Vince Foster, Robert Hanssen, Wen Ho Lee and list goes on and on. Make your own conclusions….

shove it

July 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

Wreckbuzz….. or like crimes committed by Tech players (pot rings), or Florida (assaults, stolen computers, etc.)
Nice try trying to spin Penn St. and comparing with UGA…..You’re an a-hole.
There is no comparison here of Penn St. situation with other schools.
If you want to connect it with criminalities of dui’s, etc. you better compare with ALL other schools.
Don’t try to cherrypick UGA in a bad light.

ARdawg

July 12th, 2012
1:27 pm

I feel your pain there Schultzie. But, killing the program I don’t really see as fitting the crime which is what it was, a crime. Not a violation of NCAA rules but a felony crime and all those who partook directly or indirectly should be held accountable in a court of law. The reason they did it is of no consequence. What is of consequence is the crimes they did for whatever the reason.

Jeff, if we don’t like the laws on the books, let’s change them but, let’s not tailor laws to fit crimes. This isn’t football, this is felony

tomato

July 12th, 2012
1:28 pm

The PSU student center changed the channel from CNN to a public access channel right when the Freeh announcement was about to be made. The cover up continues.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
1:29 pm

@talladawg- 10.1.1 is entitled: Sportsmanship. It is intended to keep people from cheating in games. I dont think that is going to fly.

Alan

July 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

The problem is that, vis-a-vis Joe Paterno, Freeh’s conclusions are not supported by his evidence. He provided nothing to show that Paterno concealed anything. He lumps him in with the other three with no support.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

Do do find it strange many of the DWAG fans on here don’t think UGa has an institutional control with the 40+ arrest and suspensions.
You DWAGS don’t think Richt should be held accountable for Boys Being Boys but you want to Punish Penn State for the actions of others that are no longer with the school.
The Players and Coaches and others DID NOT DO THIS but you want to Punish them? ADAMS and Richt need to be FIRED because of all the trouble their students and players cause RIGHT?

BRW

July 12th, 2012
1:31 pm

Thick-headed bozos! The crime is not what the NCAA will rule on! Forget about that part.
They will rule on the coverup to protect the sanctity of their coach and the wins. Period.

TWM

July 12th, 2012
1:32 pm

If the NCAA doesn’t have the authority or jurisdiction to shut down the football program, then the state of Pennsylvania should.

ha

July 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

Throw the switch and fry em

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:33 pm

PSU Alum –
“At least I have a team to follow that has won several Supberbowls…..More than you can say.”

More proof of your personal inadequacies.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

“They ask me what I’d like written about me when I’m gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach.”

Failed that one, JoePa.

Hillbilly D

July 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

Who’s really controlling anything?

Money is controlling everything.

scott @ 1:24

That’s pretty much hitting the nail on the head.

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

The Dawg fans love to pile on when they can. It’s all they have in life.

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:34 pm

Exactly BRW.

UGA

July 12th, 2012
1:36 pm

Don’t drag us into this mess.

Cannot imagine any SEC AD handling/covering-up something like the Penn State scandal.

Dennis

July 12th, 2012
1:36 pm

To restore integrity to the university, the Penn State Board of Trustees should step forward themselves and ban their football program for five years!

ZFlynn2

July 12th, 2012
1:37 pm

Type this in Google: Penn State should get death penalty
See how many articles have this title. See how America is obsessed with the death penalty (and have lazy “reporters” who parrot the same idiotic “stories”, -propaganda really).
America has an Oligarchy ruling and a Prisons for Profit system. Oligarchy and draconian incarcerations and laws ALWAYS precede Fascism. Toss in the public’s love of hysteria and witch hunting and the recipe for disaster seems to be almost finished. Scary.

Bill in VA

July 12th, 2012
1:37 pm

Talk about whom the penalty hurts, if that penalty is a huge monetary fine, who will that hurt??? The non-involved students and the taxpayers, that’s who!

TallaDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:38 pm

rational person @1:29 – The terms of the By-Law speak for themselves. What’s more, if you really believe your position, I hope you are not in a position of trust.

UGA

July 12th, 2012
1:41 pm

PSU – I am sure it must feel like a pile-on, but I suspect that 99% of all “Dawg fans” believe that this is a most regrettable situation for Penn State and feel bad for alum/fans/players.

It is not Penn State specifically where the desire for punishment comes from – it is that such a powerful hierarchy let something so criminal and damaging go on for so long, that severe punishment of the institution (any institution) must occur.

Dont think so

July 12th, 2012
1:41 pm

Naw, your just saying that because its not your College or University. All the culprits are gone and you don’t make the innocents pay for jerkoff top brass’s mistakes.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
1:42 pm

Agree Dennis. At first I thought about them maybe just contributing all proceeds from football to causes related to child sex crimes, trafficking, etc. but there are too many moving pieces to pull that off.

Shut it(football) down for awhile and establish a center/studies or something related to help study and fight these issues.

Eric

July 12th, 2012
1:44 pm

I feel the new recruits should not suffer for what happened years ago, I also believe some of these kids was abused but some are just trying to cash in on the big class action law suit that will be filed in the near future…

Eric

July 12th, 2012
1:44 pm

I feel the new recruits should not suffer for what happened years ago, I also believe some of these kids was abused but some are just trying to cash in on the big class action law suit that will be filed in the near future…

Eric

July 12th, 2012
1:44 pm

I feel the new recruits should not suffer for what happened years ago, I also believe some of these kids was abused but some are just trying to cash in on the big class action law suit that will be filed in the near future…

Restore Pluto's status as a planet now!

July 12th, 2012
1:44 pm

President O

July 12th, 2012
1:45 pm

If PSU does get hit with a huge fine I think we ought to even the playing field a little and see to it that the folks making over $250,000 per year pay their fair share of the fine. That way, at least some of their pampered kids won’t be able to attend PSU and we’ll have more diversity on the campus there. That’s a win/win in anybody’s book.

Parade of Knuckleheads

July 12th, 2012
1:48 pm

Jeff is right about Penn State,

SMU – Southern Methodist University was never that bad.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

Yes, Eric. The current PSU football players are the true victims here, and the kids who were raped may or may not be liars. You’ve got your priorities straight!

Well

July 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

“Whatever……At least we still have the Steelers…..What do you have? The Falcons? HA!”

No, what you have is a tainted football program that will NEVER escape ridicule. Again, grow up.

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
1:49 pm

Thanks everyone for the early comments. Honestly expected there to be more resistance to the “death penalty” idea, but obviously not.

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

Atomoic Dawg — Unfortunately there’s always innocent victims when it comes to NCAA probation.

Well

July 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

“I am no where near Philly….Alpharetta…..For now. Can barely stand the stench here.”

At least it doesn’t smell like dirty old men from PSU. BTW, Delta is ready to take you back to Penn at any time. Please leave if you hate it here so much.

NW ATL 4 LIFE

July 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

@ Pedophile State University Alum

LOL…take your *** back to Pennsylvania then buddy. Ur Probably some white trash, Jersey shore wanna be from the Philly ‘burbs who drives a busted @ss V6 Camaro with leaking T-tops. Your state is trash and your states university’s all time hero just had his “image” shattered and thrown in the crapper. Pedo State U hasn’t been relevant in CFB for damn near 20 years any damn way

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
1:51 pm

R. Stroz — Congrats for being ahead of the curve.

RxDawg

July 12th, 2012
1:52 pm

Death penalty? No.

Strike every championship, win, and stat from the records that came under Joe Pa? Yes

Well

July 12th, 2012
1:52 pm

“The Dawg fans love to pile on when they can. It’s all they have in life.”

And you feed them more and more ammo, PSU alum.

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

Rational Person: “Perhaps you can point me to the NCAA rules governing the sexual abuse of young boys ad the penalties for it.”

<< It’s called: Lack of institutional control, the all-encompassing NCAA hammer.

tcb

July 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

The NCAA lacks the moral authority to provide a death penalty unfortunately.
However, if my school were on PSUs schedule, I would be writing my AD to ask them to cancel the game. I feel confident my fellow alumni would make the athletic department whole for this decision.

uncle kirk

July 12th, 2012
1:54 pm

So who greased this Freeh guys pockets for this investigation. Pretty easy to throw a dead man under the bus when he cant defend himself. They got the guy that committed the awful acts, he is in jail for good. Let it go. How does anyone know anybody could have stopped this guy from molesting others? Rapists and murderers get off on technicalities all the time….and then they rape and murder some more. I guess we should go ahead and fry everybody that has to do with our legal system too. No matter what any of you think, all the facts are not being revealed. Maybe there was a cover-up. But i guarantee people are being thrown under the bus to cover up for others not being mentioned.

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
1:55 pm

Paula — “Jeff, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. An entire athletic department (and its athletes) should be punished for what a handful of people at the top of the university did, or in this case didn’t do?”

OK. Since you’re an expert on stupidity: Isn’t that always the case in an NCAA probation?

older man

July 12th, 2012
1:55 pm

1/ Fire all involved staff & go for jail time… 2/ NO football for 10 years but allow Penn to function in Education 3/ Recind all pensions & benefits, including the $12 m given Paterno

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
1:55 pm

Roddy White thinks Penn St. is ok. He just tweeted that Penn St. should not have reported to the media that PSU has a coach “rappin” kids. Falcons fans should be so proud!

Ken Stallings

July 12th, 2012
1:56 pm

Totally in agreement with you on this one, Jeff! This is beyond anything else in terms of scandal in the history of college sports. To place the public image of your football program above protecting children from perhaps the most heinous felony crime is evil. These aged men did exactly that, and for well over a decade. They have shamed themselves and their school.

PSU Alum

July 12th, 2012
1:57 pm

So it’s come to this….Calling me names.

Can you see why I dislike it here?

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
1:58 pm

Jeff!! you expected SEC fans to be against the Death Penalty for any team not in the SEC? Really?
The SEC fans care ONLY about football and SEC football. They would love for every other team be disbanded!
Every week there is another SEC player getting arrested or suspended for something but God don’t look at the SCHOOL for those problems.

Gregg

July 12th, 2012
1:59 pm

NCAA has a different set of rules for certain schools…..we shall see.

Jimmy Jack

July 12th, 2012
2:00 pm

The death penalty is in order. If the NCAA cannot or will not mobilize this effort; then I hope the administrators at Penn State will come forward to end the football program.

thethird

July 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

It’s not lack of institutional control, but something much worse. It’s having so strong an institutional control that they were able to rationalize covering this up for the sake of the institution.

abby normal

July 12th, 2012
2:01 pm

Sandusky is going to spend the rest of his life in prison as well he should. Those who enabled him should be prosecuted and, if convicted, sentenced to the maximum allowed by law. Giving Penn State the death penalty would have an adverse affect on many innocent people who had nothing to do with the whole sick affair.

President O

July 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

Agree completely, Jeff. Keep up the good work.

Jeff Schultz

July 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

For those asking about NCAA death penalty: It can be implemented for as short a term as one year, I believe. Prior: Kentucky basketball, SW Louisiana basketball, SMU football, Morehouse soccer, MacMurray tennis

thethird

July 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

It’s criminal.

boycott

July 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

If my alma mater were on their schedule, I would call for cancellation. The opponents should take it out of PSU’s and the NCAA’s hands, and refuse to play against the pedophile enablers.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

St Simons - we're on Island time

July 12th, 2012
2:04 pm

Roger Goodell sent a message, and its been received.

NCAA – in charge of even younger kids, What message will you send?

Dennis

July 12th, 2012
2:05 pm

The PSU Board of Trustees commissioned this 300 page report. They all need to read it. Then they need to do the right thing, not wait for whatever the NCAA might do. And anyway, the alumni will just blame the NCAA for going “too far” or worse yet, not far enough, thus bringing ridicule to both the NCAA and PSU. No, the Trustees need to shut down the football program for a few years and by doing this demonstrate to everybody that they are going to restore integrity to the university. It’s like oatmeal, it’s the right thing to do.

OldFan

July 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

The lack of institutional control was really an expression of what the institution in fact wanted to control: money, recruiting, power, and image. Those same things, regrettably, will keep the death penalty from being imposed.

Dawglasville

July 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

5150 UOAD – Glad to see that your hatred for UGA will allow to trivialize something as massive as a school cover up of children being raped into your daily pot shots at the in-state rival. Bravo.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

Dennis’ is the right solution, but if they can’t find the guts to do it, boycotts idea should be used.

There should be no football in that stadium for a few years.

RxDawg

July 12th, 2012
2:10 pm

“The recruiting advantage that was gained, and more importantly intended, by the cover-up makes this an NCAA violation”

See I disagree here. The cover up didn’t give them any advantage, it just kept things the same in regards to the performance of the football team. I see everyone is comparing to SMU. SMU was cheating, they paid players to get in the best and that had a direct impact on the field because they got better players. PSU is a criminal case. The cover up did not make them a better football team. Let the civil and criminal courts cripple the program in it’s own way. There is no need for the NCAA to get involved.

[...] Penn State Should Get the Death Penalty When this story first broke several, Paterno said, “This is not a football scandal and should not be treated as [...]

jb

July 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

NCAA absolutely could shut down PSU football. From another story: For the first time since [NCAA President Mark] Emmert’s letter was written, the NCAA has reacted to its contents in view of the Sandusky case. In it, Emmert warned that Penn State could be found to have lacked institutional control. He cites Article 2.1 in the NCAA Manual: “It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations … the instruction’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program …”

swayso

July 12th, 2012
2:12 pm

#VoteNow :Should Penn State be held responsible for the cover up ? http://shar.es/t5rcZ

MC

July 12th, 2012
2:12 pm

No Honor At Penn State

Look into the 1951 West Point Cheating Scandal and what adhering to their Honor Code did to their football team.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

dwagless………..I have not trivialized the CRIMES committed.
The CRIMINALS need to be the ones punished. The NCCA doesn’t need to add to the list of Innocent Victims with the death penalty.
UGa and many SEC teams have athletes doing illegal things but I don’t see the coaches getting Fined or Fired for it.
The People that did the Cover-up are no longer with the school.

rational person

July 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

Jeff,

Lack of institutional control only becomes relevant where the activity complained of is prohibited by the ncaa. They aont just come in and say “Hey you’re out of control.” I don’t think these activities violated NCAA rules and I think that they have no jurisdiction in the matter.

Stinger2

July 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

Someone mentioned class action lawsuit. If that happens not one of the victims or their families will get anything of substance. Virtually all of the money will go to the lawyers involved. Always does.

SCDee

July 12th, 2012
2:15 pm

Come on, Schultzie. The NCAA will slap Penn State’s hand. Recall that ND State got stomped on for being the “Fighting Sioux,” but Fl State got a pass on being the “Seminoles.” The NCAA only stomps on the little guys.

That said, I agree with your thoughts. But, good luck. It isn’t going to happen.

RxDawg

July 12th, 2012
2:16 pm

“Big Ten Champs Nebraska

July 12th, 2012
1:11 pm
I don’t think the NCAA wants to venture down what they feel is a slippery slope of punishing schools for matters off the field. Some of you make excellent arguments that the cover up prevented negative publicity, allowing recruiting to continue. The problem is, where to draw the line? I understand how many of you feel and I wish it could be reversed. ”

This is my sentiments exactly.

urban redneck

July 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

not gonna happen.

Benjamin

July 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

Time to break out the boom stick: I agree with your call for the death penalty. This is the worst thing to ever happen in college sports.

dawgs1966

July 12th, 2012
2:18 pm

This is not just a Penn State issue, Penn St. just got caught. Somewhere along the way – “winning” has “trumped “loving”

blue

July 12th, 2012
2:18 pm

can’t remember the source, but saw something on ESPN a few years back when Alabama had some BIG issues (but nothing like this). It was an NCAA official, and he said something to the effect of “based on what happened with SMU, I don’t forsee us ever using the death penalty again”. Weather deserved or not, probably not going to happen.

MC

July 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

Rational Person-

If covering up child rape, and ignoring your responsibilities of report it to the authorities doesn’t fall under the category of “Unethical” then there is no reasoning with you.

FYI; Unethical behavior is listed in the NCAA rules, and the Letter from the NCAA to PSU highlights that.

GTBob

July 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

See I disagree here. The cover up didn’t give them any advantage, it just kept things the same in regards to the performance of the football team.

Pretty much. I am not sure it would have even hurt recruiting if it came out. Right now in the middle of maybe the biggest scandal in college football history Penn State is ranked 15th in recruiting.

ASUKerri

July 12th, 2012
2:21 pm

If they covered it up for a decade then they should lose football for a decade…It will never happen, but it’s what should happen.

Parade of Knuckleheads

July 12th, 2012
2:22 pm

Not only the NCAA should punish Penn State,
The Big 10 Conference should punish Penn State.
The State of Pennsylvania should punish Penn State.
The State University System should punish Penn State.
And Penn State University itself should punish Penn State.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

dwag66………..and it is only going to get worse with the new TV contract and “Playoff”!

DP

July 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

President Spanier had his priorities. The Freeh report notes that he banned an agent from PSU’s campus for buying $400 worth of clothes for a PSU player before the 1997 Citrus Bowl, declaring him “persona non grata” and stating the agent “fooled around with the integrity of the university and I won’t stand for that.” He went on from there to cover up the actions of a child molester for the next 13 years.

blue

July 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

rational person

July 12th, 2012
10:43 am
Jeff,

Perhaps you can point me to the NCAA rules governing the sexual abuse of young boys ad the penalties for it. Whats that? Oh, they don’t exist because its a criminal matter completely outside the purview of the NCAA? Gotcha. I cannot understand that people who are advocating this position. Its like arguing that the EPA should prosecute someone for tax fraud.

Okay, I’ll type slowly for you. Ever heard the NCAA or ESPN say “the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control” charge? I would say, irrational, that this would probably easily fall under the category of “Lack of Institutional Control”…the one they always say “dreaded” in front of, that a football coach was knowingly allowed to use football facilities while he had been accused of this. Case close, dolt.

Bigjoker61

July 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

Sandusky deserves the Death Penalty and everybody who committs such similiar crimes.

SEC Fan

July 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

Enter your comments here

Stop worshipping at the foot of Joe Pa!

July 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

Paterno got the easy way out. The rest need to go down. If the university suffers, so what? Players and students can go to another school for Pete’s sake. What about the VICTIMS? Their whole lives are forever marred by what Penn State tried to conceal and ignore.

The fact that school administrators can turn a blind eye to abused children is ATROCIOUS and CRIMINAL!

vapor4U

July 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

So if Paterno could cover-up a prolific pedophile raping boys in the football program showers for over a decade, what other viololations by the program was covered up through the time he was head coach? The conclusion is simple, Paterno could cover anything up based on the culture of the university.

Concerned Citizen

July 12th, 2012
2:29 pm

It certainly makes one wonder how they handle their rapes and sexual harassment complaints. They really need to lose their accreditation. My teen won’t be attending this college.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

Institutional Control……..The NCAA using that tern is funny in and of itself.
When the NCAA makes ALL the schools/members have the EXACT same policies on Violations it is just a Punchline to a Joke.
Pee Test players all the time and have the same penalties for every school.
Arrested players get the same penalties no matter the offense or the school the player attends.
All member institutions have to have the same academic standards for admissions.
The NCAA and It’s rules enforcement are a JOKE.

DP

July 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

Perhaps a better solution than the death penalty for Penn State would be a requirement that they funnel all the profits generated by the football program over the next 10 years (as determined by a qualified finance/accounting professional with complete access to PSU information) into a fund for Sandusky’s victims and programs to combat sex abuse of children.

Jimmy Crack

July 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

They should definitely forfeit their 1983 Sugar Bowl victory…jest.

Other than multi-year bans in several categories including recruiting, monies, TV time and bowls, I don’t see any need for a death penalty. The university is going to have enough on its plate demolishing a large number of Penn State structures that Jerry Sandusky physically touched with his hands, including every shower stall, bathroom and door handle in the general vicinity. Concerning the crimes, the main culprit is now in jail for the rest of his life, others are going to go to jail soon, and Joe Pa is dead. They can do what they want to the remenince of Paterno’s legacy and statue. As human beings, this is now a time to heal and move on, not only for Penn State, but for the entire disgusted sports world.

Old Dawg

July 12th, 2012
2:32 pm

SCDee: The Seminole Nation asked the NCAA to leave the mascot at FSU and it did. I know that goes against the logic of most tribes but that’s what happened.

As for Penn State, like I said earlier, the media and societal outcry plus the civil lawsuits will place the school in the hall of shame for decades to come. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can absolve Penn State of these crimes.

Sick to the core!

SEC Fan

July 12th, 2012
2:32 pm

Moosebreath Tech would already have the Death Penalty for this mess. However, since this is PSU, the NCAA will hide and do nothing. Clearly not reporting this scandal years ago was a ‘competitive advantage’ but the NCAA wimps won’t see it that way. You watch, they will do nothing significant. Already major sports writers saying the current team shouldn’t be punished. BS, it is about LOIC, thus the institution should be punished and at PSU that clearly means football! Biggest scandal in sports history and the NCAA will do absolutely nothing of any substance.

Keeper

July 12th, 2012
2:33 pm

Jeff, agree with all of this but one key fact – it is NOT a football scandal. Paterno was right, but not at all in the way he intended. It is a UNIVERSITY-wide scandal. If Penn State had any class, they’d give THEMSELVES the death penalty for a decade (release their current athletes to go elsewhere or stay on academic scholarships with no strings), open up the Penn State Center to Prevent Child Abuse, and fund it at the level of the most recent football budget for that decade. If it takes their entire endowment to fund that and the lawsuit payouts, so be it – would still be both the best punishment and best investment they could possibly make with that endowment.

NeoDawg

July 12th, 2012
2:33 pm

For everyone looking for what NCAA rules were violated simply follow this link to the letter the NCAA sent to PSU dated November 17, 2011. I fail to see how you can read that letter in light of the report issued today and the recent results of the Sandusky trial and still state they didn’t violate NCAA regulations.

Here’s the money passage from the letter “..Bylaw 19.01.2 affirmatively states that “individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must to more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.” The provision has been cited by enforcement in at least a half dozen major infractions cases in the past. Those who exhibit this behavior are meeting the ethical expectations of the NCAA membership. Those who do not, fail us all.”

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/ncaa+statement

billyBobjacket

July 12th, 2012
2:35 pm

The football program is a HUGE cash cow for the university. As long as there are enough people out there who say “don’t punish the other kids”, these places will always try to sweep stuff under the rug and get off with a slap on the wrist when they get caught. We GT folks love to crap on UGA because some of their players drink and occasionally get arrested for it, so it is impossible to ignore when a university looks the other way on the heinous crimes at PSU. Hit them where it hurts, and don’t go easy on JoePa just because he died before the $#!+ hit the fan!

Dawglasville

July 12th, 2012
2:36 pm

5150 UOAD – The death penalty not only serves to punish the guilty, it is meant to be a detterent for anyone who decides to go down that same road. To equate this to anything that has happened at UGA, Tech (see the vacated title), Miami, Ohio State or any other school in recent history is ridiculous. Quite a few of us appreciate Richt runs our program. I like to think we see the big picture, not looking through crystal football glasses. Why not focus on the article. Should Penn State get the noose or not? I say yes. You say no. What about you GTBob? What say you? This is not about Tech or Georgia. Maybe you and I can actually agree on something.

Keith

July 12th, 2012
2:36 pm

Penn St. should definitely get the DEATH PENALTY. As far as the athletes are concerned this is a BETTER result from them. Currently they have to play for a program that is the MOST corrupt is th history of sports. If you just rip scholarships and bowls games, then they are going through all this for nothing. The DEATH PENALTY allows them to go to other schools without having to sit out, while the university has to deal with the ramifications of the lost revenue

athensdawg

July 12th, 2012
2:38 pm

how about this solution……

Step #1 NCAA places penn state on death penalty for one year.

Step#2 Penn State sues EVERYONE who was responsible for covering this up for the amount of football revenue lost for the death penalty year and subsequent years going forward as a result of this.

Hit them where it hurts.

And now I digress to respond to mr 5150’s comments…

first of all….are you familiar with the banking crisis? A lot of those CEO’s resigned….and there are a heck of a lot more innocent people who are paying the price for their stupidity. But, alas, the problems that caused the banking crisis (derivatives, crazy trading schemes) are still going on. That’s why the EU is having economic trouble.

Why is this so? Because the regulators followed your philosophy. Sure, the head guy can quit. But if he has established a CULTURE of wrongdoing or shady dealings, his/her walking out the door really ain’t going to change a thing. It’s human nature. You got to come down hard or people will think they can get away with anything.

Who really is going to suffer from this? Well, students, fans and PSU’s pocket books. It will be over with in ONE YEAR. OMG, no football for one year….not that big of a deal.

The football players will be given scholarships to other schools. The coaches will be given jobs at other schools.

Finally…yes, SEC schools do have their share of cheaters, but….please provide for us one example of an SEC school harboring a known pedophile. When you do that, you have what is known as a logical comparison.

gator guy

July 12th, 2012
2:39 pm

Its this “Just Win Baby” attitude that now pervades sports at all levels. Penn State deserves the death penalty. When you look at the SMU case, which is the only precedent Division IA football program in which to draw comparisons, then such a severe punishment is both legally and factually sound. In short, how can you not take PSU to the woodshed after destroying the SMU program. SMU pales in comparison. Heck, everything really pales in comparison to this. PSU is prestigious, but this is clearly a football issue, because preserving football apparently controlled the thought processes involved here. More importantly, when you let one institution off the hook for something like this, you can never ever use the death penalty again. NCAA, you can take it out of the punishment chapter in NCAA 101 because you would never be justified in using it again if you choose to pass on this. (which I fully expect the cowards at the NCAA to do–they’re too busy looking for free fast food and booster tickets to worry themselves with something like this). Anyway, my rant is over. PSU let “Just Win Baby” destroy years of tradition and achievement. Whether it plays another football game remains to be seen, but one thing is for sure, Happy Valley will never be quite as happy ever again.

Hillbilly D

July 12th, 2012
2:39 pm

Look into the 1951 West Point Cheating Scandal and what adhering to their Honor Code did to their football team.

The Honor Code would be more important than the football team, in my opinion.

Sandy Springs guy

July 12th, 2012
2:39 pm

let it go already. The coach is dead and the criminal is in jail. Let the uninversity pay out millions from their billion dollar trust to the victims. Everyone I chat with is sick of the media drumming this up, over and over. It is not a sports story, it is a criminal case and now that trial is done it is time to move on.

Joey

July 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

You are so right, JS.

Also, welcome back.

Jay

July 12th, 2012
2:41 pm

I laugh at all the Penn State defenders. You people are completely blind to the truth.

If YOU or one of your OWN kids was a victim, would you still defend Penn State?

Give the school the death penalty.

raymond

July 12th, 2012
2:42 pm

Paterno knew this scandal would force him to retire and that’s why he covered it up.

official

July 12th, 2012
2:42 pm

Your conclusion is a reduction to the ridiculous. Sure they did wrong, and kids were hurt. But to kill the football program and shut the University? Should the APS be closed because of the cheating scandal? Should Dept. of Child Services be closed because they failed to protect a child? Should the AJC shut its doors because a reporter didn’t do their job? Oh, that’s right the citizens of Atlanta are making that decision by not buying your newspaper.

Lurker

July 12th, 2012
2:43 pm

I understand the desire to punish Penn St. However, there is nothing in the NCAA rules about this criminal an immoral situation. Lack of Institutional Control is not a open ended charge. It means that an institution is not following, and does not have in place a system to follow NCAA rules. It is not something that the NCAA can use to punish a University for public sentiment. The state should punish Penn St. The donors should punish Penn St. The season ticket holders should punish Penn St. The TV networks should punish Penn St. The advertisers should punish Penn St. The NCAA has no jurisdiction.

LawDawg

July 12th, 2012
2:44 pm

I just wish Joe Paterno stayed alive long enough for him to witness his true legacy. People did not hate him nearly enough at the time he died. Eff that evil old corpse.

NAMBLA Member since 2001

July 12th, 2012
2:45 pm

I could not disagree more.
Regardless of how anyone feels about the crimes associated with one of its former employees, no one is claiming that the university or any of its affiliates acted to improve its position in recruiting or affecting eligibility of student athletes. Deal with the individuals who are accused of crimes in criminal courts, and let the civil courts decide where other liabilities may exist.
But the NCAA needs to stay well clear of this entire episode.
It is time for the university, the student body and all the student athletes to heal and move on.
There is no indication that any illegal activites are on-going.

October

July 12th, 2012
2:45 pm

Didnt read article, but agree,,problem is this idiot Shultz wanted to convict Ohio state for 14 k, with just as much venom,,,he is discredited,,,,

JHP

July 12th, 2012
2:46 pm

I have to agree with SCDee.

NCAA won’t take down Penn State. If it was a smaller school of lesser stature, yes.

A sad day for college football. But sadder still are the victims that could have been spared this sick crime.

Auburn Grad

July 12th, 2012
2:47 pm

This isn’t a NCAA violation; it’s a violation of the LAW.

The State of Pennsylvania needs to shut down the Athletic Department for at least 5 years.

Athletic Supporter

July 12th, 2012
2:47 pm

So management screws up and you penalize the employees? While I certainly think that basing any portion of your life on football is a waste, plenty of students do attend this university for that sole purpose (oh, they probably expect to get an education or similar too). It certainly isn’t their fault that these scum allowed a pedohile to do what he did. Is anyone going to be paying for their transfer to another university, or will this penalty you endorce just ruin their football careers?? Sounds like you are advocating screwing a whole new group of boys with your suggestion. Sure, why not just add to the victims in this case? Idiot.

DP

July 12th, 2012
2:47 pm

“are you familiar with the banking crisis? A lot of those CEO’s resigned”

Could you tell me which ones athensdawg, because I can’t remember any. I remember a handful who were fired (though it may have sometimes been spun as “resigned”, the way Spanier reworded a statement by the PSU Board of Trustees to claim that Curley and Schultz requested unpaid leaves), typically when their firms were smoking ruins.

Concerned Citizen

July 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

I like the idea of all profits from the football program going to the victims and child abuse organizations.

Joey

July 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

You can “let it go,” if you wish, Sandy Springs guy. When you see the title of an item about it, just don’t read anything about it. YOU “move on.”

The authorities and the NCAA need to to find out who all knew about Sandusky’s atrocities – ever heard of “aiding and abetting?”

Too bad if you’re a PSU (and JoePa) fan . . .

MC

July 12th, 2012
2:49 pm

Hillbilly D

The Honor Code would be more important than the football team, in my opinion.

–I agree, and so did the Commandant of Cadets, General Paul Hawkins. 90 Cadets were dismissed/expelled, 30-some of them were on the Nationally ranked football team. It crippled the program, but the United States Military Academy kepts true to its vision and maintained its intergrity.

Tami

July 12th, 2012
2:51 pm

All I can say is: WHAT A MESS!! One that could have been avoided.

aconcerneddad

July 12th, 2012
2:51 pm

Eric, you my friend are an IDIOT! We are holding ALL of College Football responsible, but you can best bet, that if Ole Jo Pa children or grandchildren would have been involved, Jo Pa would have had him arrested years ago.

Bulldawg Nation

July 12th, 2012
2:52 pm

If it means wins and championships and for that we need a coach who just needs to spend some “quality” time in the showers with little boys, I say give him what he wants, leave him alone and GO DAWGS!!!

Hillbilly D

July 12th, 2012
2:55 pm

So management screws up and you penalize the employees?

It happens every day in the real world.

Joey

July 12th, 2012
2:55 pm

“There is no indication that any illegal activites are on-going.” – NAMBLA Member
*********************************************
No suprise you see nothing bad here. Sandusky is your hero – dang if only you had access that guy had . . .

Want to tell everybody on the blog what those letters stand for, sick-o? I will – North American Man/Boy Love Association.

Jeff, you should delete anything this creep writes.

Drexel Gal

July 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

Okay, Liberals … exactly HOW was the scandal at Penn State Bush’s fault?

Dale

July 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

People scream about the power of the NCAA and it’s abuse of that power, then why are we asking them to step in and prosecute a clear and blatant “CRIMINAL ACT”? All involved should be prosecuted to the full extent allowed by the LAW! Cars, shoes, tattoos, fake jobs, bogus grades are the job of the NCAA to create a level playing field. If someone that works with you committed these crimes or supressed informationof this type…do they shut down your place of employment? They procecute the CRIMINALS. The Big 10 should not associate with this institution, that is not worthy of the standards set by their organization of which Penn State sought membership, but all colleges are by virtue regulated the NCAA for scholastic and intercollegiate integrity period.

Amazing

July 12th, 2012
2:58 pm

It’s amazing how eveyone is calling for the death penalty when the ones to suffer the most from the death penalty are innocent . . . What should be done is to prosecute everyone involved in this atrocity, i.e. all school officials and any others who were aware of Sandusky’s actions. Don’t penalize all the PSU students and alumni that had NOTHING to do with Sandusky’s actions and the subsequent cover-up. If you really want to “make an example” then “discipline” the guilty parties by prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law, but don’t punish hundreds and thousands of innocent students and alumni!

The Man

July 12th, 2012
2:59 pm

rational person – you are off base on several points.
just because something is not explicitely written in the NCAA rules does NOT mean you cannot be punished for wrongdoing. This has been proven in the past – schools that have ‘pushed the limit’ on what YOU would call vague rules have been punished. NO, I am sure no where in the NCAA rules does it say that raping and sodomizing young men is against the footballl code and will warrant the death penalty, but you must also use common sense. IF you are náive enough to think that the silence of this scandel over the years did not benefit the football program, then it is truly apparant you are not thinking clearly…. by NOT having the scandel, penn state was able to promote a clean and wonderful environment where families could send their potential football star high school players. HAD the scandel been out in the open I would think a vast majority of scholarship offerings would have been turned down in favor of another school where rape was not on the menu……….

Victim of a loose bowel movement

July 12th, 2012
3:00 pm

OK….we all had our say. It’s time to move on and discuss ________________________*

*You get to fill in the blank.

JHP

July 12th, 2012
3:01 pm

Good post Amazing, agree 100%

Concerned

July 12th, 2012
3:04 pm

No More “We Are Penn State”, and thank God for that. May these victims rest that the truth did come out, and that they may heal, feel safe, as well grow again to an all time high. I pray for their souls to be freed and alive, as well pain free.

I was recruited to play football for Penn State, but Georgia and The Bulldogs won my heart. I can only say what would that have meant now if I had gone to Penn State. See the coach that recuited me was Dick Anderson another Joe Paterno long stay. I would have played for Sandusky as defense was where I was headed. I am sorry, but I am glad for Coach Erskine Russell and his show of real and alive. Erk was like no other, and no one, and I mean no one in America could compare to that man’s charisma. He was better than all his peers, and deserved the biggest of jobs in America. So talk about cover-ups. Georgia had their own as Ray Golf was given a job over Erk Russell. Tell me what do think happen there? Goof up as Ray could not lead, and when it really counted in came Matt Robinson. So good coaching, parenting, and men are not hard to find. It is easy as the Good Olde Boy Status still exsist even at Penn State. These football fraternities are not any different than the one where the small town lawyers and judges pool to do their evil deeds.

So what is to be said of leaders, sport, folly, and life. This thing about idols and greed has us right where the ugly destroyer wants us, eating out of his hand. Not once anywhere is any of the Penn State mess did I hear we pray to God, we need a loving God, nor did a powerful at the base Catholic based university do the right thing. So on religion, you can have it, but on Jesus Christ, AMEN, and more. Joe Pa could have run for Pope and won, and that has to make you sick to your stomach.

As for sport, football at the college level, well shame on you NCAA for diminishing what a true student athlete should be. Herschel Walker was not one. Even he bolted for a Trump and a USFL. So we want to place # 34 as the best football player ever at UGA. Okay on that one, but not the best student/athlete. Possible a Hoage or a Pollack or a Green, and that list can go on.

We need help in America, and wouldn’t it not be nice to see the NCAA do something big on the heels of this debacle. The time is perfect for NEW legislation on going pro, staying in school to get a degree, making service the right choice, as well modeling what a true college student/athlete should and can be. Our leaders are failing us, and if it continues, there will be nothing important, but wins and losses. Are we there now………………you be the judge.

Lurker

July 12th, 2012
3:05 pm

The Man

Are you REALLY indicating that the guilty people in this case should be cleared by the criminal authorities so that a sports governing body can come in and lower the boom on them?

Your ideas sound like “Let’s let the NCAA take control of all criminal proceedings involving sports figures. That will keep silly DUI, drugs, and rape charges from having to worry about silly policemen.”

The NCAA should stay out of this, and the people who are guilty should be convicted and sent to jail where they will have to worry about sodomy. The police and the courts are a higher authority than the NCAA. The NCAA cannot put anyone in jail.

NCAA is not law enforcement

July 12th, 2012
3:06 pm

I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the offenders in this case get the death penalty. However…..

The NCAA is not a law enforcement nor an acccreditation agency. Giving the Death Penalty to PSU football may make you feel good but in a court of law, the NCAA will be found to have overstepped their charter. The NCAA is an athletic organization and yes they do tie athletic performance to grades, but there just isn’t anything in the NCAA guidelines about this type of situation. Go read them – they are pubically available for download for all 3 Divisions. The facts are the facts and you can rise up in anger but you can’t create rules – even if they are to punish inhumanly bad behavior

You want to do something – boycott any company who supports PSU football, boycott any broadcast of PSU football, push the NCAA to add this to death penalty offenses.

The next school, if any, to get the Death Penalty will be Miami.

I will say this – if PSU pulled the plug on their football program, allowed the current (and innocent) athletes to transfer or stay and complete their education and terminate with cause ALL involved people, I think the healing process might begin. Sadly, I’m not counting on that….

What about the "innocent" kids on the team?

July 12th, 2012
3:08 pm

What about the “innocent” kids on the team? What should happen to them? …And you answer to that is???

Atlanta Allen

July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Congrats Schultz – you just got read on Fox News.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Send the “innocent” football players to another school or let them remain at PSU with their full scholarship. The cover-up culture at PSU must be punished heavily to discourage other programs from doing the same. “Football uber alles” is a horrible mentality.

Rodster

July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

Paterno was a narcissitic and selfish old man.

Bwolves

July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

I am in NO way defending Penn State or the School, but this is a Criminal matter. Those that knew and covered it up should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and fired. These individuals and the School should be held liable in civil courts too. Remember it wasn’t the players or the fans that were involved. They would be the ones hurt most by the Death Penalty.

What about the "innocent" kids on the team?

July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

I’ll tell you what though. I am for the death penalty in that I think it will bring the NCAA commission (which is already thought to be something that needs to be changed) their Death Penalty. The NCAA is horrible with coming up with punishments. They need to be disbanded and be filled with real and new leadership.

NeoDawg

July 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

Hey Jeff. Shep Smith just read a portion of your article on his Fox News show. Welcome back from vacation!

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

Liberal SCHULTZ on FOX NEWS? He must be so happy.

gcs

July 12th, 2012
3:14 pm

I don’t think it is fair to give them the Death Penalty when all of the people involved are gone.

Allow PSU to field a team, just take away ALL their scholarships, incrementally giving them back in small amounts over the next several years (0 in 2013, 5 in 2014, 8 in 2015…). Players who already have scholarships should be allowed to keep them until they use up their eligibility.

Six year post-season ban and 10 years probation.

USMC2841

July 12th, 2012
3:14 pm

It is known as “Lack of Institutional Control” and has been used on several occasions. The argument that only a few at the top knew isn’t substantiated by the report. Even the janitors knew and said nothing. I am not for an indefinite ban. Just ban them until the last remaining victim has taken his last breath. These men allowed a man to continue rape young children. That is all that needs to be known. Football isn’t more important than that.

boycott

July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

Do you believe the men of our Naval Academy should be forced to share the field with the PSU program this fall? Navy, and the rest of PSU’s opponents, should give PSU the first opportunity to cancel the game; if PSU declines, their opponents should inform them that they are withdrawing from the competition

woodrow

July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

So basically you feel like they should connect pedophilia to football because a football coach was a pedophile. And I would never connect those two dots. I think you have to maintain perspective when bad things happen. You have to separate the cause of the bad from the unrelated things, like football, or males, or homosexuality, or Penn State. Sandusky was bad. Everything around him was not.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

If PSU had any honor, they would take it upon themselves to shutter the football program for a while and send the money to be spent on football to child abuse prevention programs. They won’t though – they’ll creep low and keep on taking those alumni dollars.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

tomato
July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm

The cover-up culture at PSU must be punished heavily to discourage other programs from doing the same.
____________________________________________
HAHAHA like ANYTHING done to PSU will stop the cover ups many of the schools are currently involved in. Yes, that will happen.

NCAA

July 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

DEATH= by hanging…….

Lurker

July 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

USMC2841

Lack of Institutional Control has a definition. You can find the NCAA definition on their website. Criminal activity unrelated to NCAA rules is not covered by the definition. Read it yourself if you must.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
3:17 pm

Yes 5150, it’s much better to ignore everything and let boys be boys.

Michelob

July 12th, 2012
3:17 pm

No Jeff, they should not get the death penalty. Most of these guys, the players, coaches etc. are trying to start fresh and want to put this behind them. This is the NCAA’s opportunity to do something right for a change. What they need to do is vacate ALL wins and titles from the Sandusky years. Paterno is (was) as guilty as Sandusky when he decided to cover it all up, if it had been found out years ago, they probably would have gotten the Death Penalty. Therefore, force them to vacate. Nothing will ever make this right, but for Paterno to hold the win record based on what we know now…it is just wrong. These victims and their families will take PSU to the cleaners, as well they should

Taylor Wooten

July 12th, 2012
3:17 pm

If PSU had any honor/integrity left, they would self impose their own “death penalty”. Spin it all you want. Its disgusting.

True Dawg

July 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

I agree Jeff! This crime may not be directly related to Penn State or the football program, but the cover up certainly was and for that reason the school’s football program should get the death penalty. It’s beyond sick what ALL these men did, not just Sandusky.

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Voice of Reason

July 12th, 2012
3:19 pm

What about Barney Frank banging page boys in congress.

But do we send Barney to jail? NO Do we give congress the death penalty?NO

Instead, we let lisp boy go scott free, and make a new law to let him marry a man

who get his infinate congressional benifets and share his trough, whatever that means!

tmc

July 12th, 2012
3:19 pm

It was the “institution” that mishandled the entire scope of the problems.
It should be the “institution” that pays the penalty in the form of no football.

Yes, the kids there didn’t do anything wrong. They should be allowed to transfer without penalty, but the school deserves the football death-penalty. No question.

But that is way to logical thinking. It won’t happen the way it should.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

Just for the sake of discussion-

If Sandusky were a professor in a renowned finance /english department and the head of department and school officials were involved in same level of cover-up would you support the elimination of that department?

Michael

July 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

The reason the administrators did not pursue the child abuse allegations boiled down to money. They enjoyed the money that football brought to the university and they made morally bankrupt decisions to get at that money. It was NOT football at the heart of their decision. It WAS the money that football brings. And the only way to get rid of the money that football brings is to get rid of football for PENN State.

True Dawg

July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm

I wonder if that picture of Joe and Sandusky was taken after 2001?

Doug

July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm

Jeff, you represent the typical group of misinformed and mislead idiots in the witchhunt media. I happen to be one of those “numbskull” students. And i am called this because at the time I supported the one person who made Penn State the institution everyone envied? No, in your puny eyes, I support child abuse. Well as a little FYI Jeff, at the time of the riots, all we knew was that the university had fired Joepa in a classless manner. We were not rioting for a child-abuse cover upper. Now that know what part he had in the whole situation, I do not support Joe Paterno in the same light. Thats where you find terrible fault and jump to very hasty conclusions. You make it sound like Penn Staters in general support child abuse, which is a gross accusation to make. You also make it appear that the student body rioting was after all the information was known, that we willingly rioted in support of a cover up. That could not be any further from the truth.
The NCAA does not have jurisdicition in this case. The NCAA is not the moral police or the judicial branch. While I completely agree that the events are totally disgusting, and the 4 psu officials deserve to be faulted for all of their actions, the rest of the university should not be punished for actions of a few. Just because certain events took place in the football building does not make it a football issue. And While you have the right to approach the issue from moral standpoint, from a legal and NCAA standpoint, it is a completely different conversation. Just remember Jeff that penn state is a university with 500k living alumni, none of which are happy at their university for what has happened, all of whom are ashamed and wish only the best for the victims. You can definitely show a little more respect and class with this piece to say the least

THE Dixie Redcoat Band

July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm

We can still remember those idiot students marching and protesting when he got fired.
Never really cared for the guy anyway…he was never friendly to the media before or after the game.

RTD

July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm

How is punishing today’s student athletes going to solve the problem? The issue went far beyond the athletic department. Many former “leaders” (for lack of a better word) at PSU should be held accountable for their behavior and lack there of. I do however think that the “career” of Jeff Schultz should be given the “death penalty”, for trying to score cheap points by comparing what happened at SMU to this awful set of events.

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
3:23 pm

You’re a dumb*** Shultz. Let’s punish the student athletes, coaches, and administrators who didn’t have anything to do with allowing or covering up the actions of the little boy toucher – brilliant. What does that solve? Maybe we should disallow slave holding states from the 1700s and 1800s from being states from this day forward, and revoke the citizenship of each person living in those states. How in the world do you function as a human being with such an incredibly low IQ? Seriously, this may be the dumbest thought you’ve ever had – and that is really saying something considering some of your other stories. As much as I hate Penn State and all of the other northern schools, the death penalty shouldn’t even begin to enter this conversation. Thanks for throwing the turd on the table – now retract said turd and move along.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
3:24 pm

Doug, are you petitioning to remove the JoePa statue at PSU?

TRS

July 12th, 2012
3:24 pm

@Sandy…this is FAR from done. Still a lot more criminals to convict. The entire coverup crew is the next to face the justice system.

AussieDawg

July 12th, 2012
3:26 pm

As someone who works everyday with children who have been subjected to the horrors of all kinds of abuse, including sexual, I am appalled by this whole situation that has arisen at Penn State. It isn’t very often I agree with you Mr. Shultz, but in this case, I wholeheartedly agree on the punishment that SHOULD be handed down. Now it is time to see what kind of gonads the NCAA has!!

jfreak13713

July 12th, 2012
3:26 pm

Penn State did get a competative advantage because had they disclosed this information when they knew they would have likely lost some recruits simply from the bad press alone. By not disclosing the acts they assured themselves no bad publicity and likely held on to recruits they may have otherwise lost. Death Penalty for Penn State. It is far past time that we protect our CHILDREN in the country.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

Since Carvell wrote a bad article putting words in Robert N…..mouth or twisting what Robert N…… said to CLEMSON we should demand all the AJC Sports Writers be punished.

Ben

July 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

I’m not sure at all that it’s fair to punish current students and athletes for something they had nothing to do with. Find the people involved in the coverup, and get rid of them. Don’t blanket punish a lot of people who have done nothing wrong.

smitty

July 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

Wouldn’t be many pro or college football programs if everyone with rapists was shutdown.

adawgfan

July 12th, 2012
3:29 pm

To all the persons who believe this is not a football issue and punishing the current players / staff is not releveant:
WHAT IS PUNISHMENT FOR? Punishment is to prevent other institutions from commiting the same crime. Whether it is players taking improper assistance, rape or murder, punishments are doled out to give pause to future potential violators. Maybe lets say someone at Who Knows U is considering covering up a crime to save face, will choose to expose it instead to avoid the NCAA death penalty. I say give PSU the Death Penalty to send a message to all Universities. STOP THE CRAP and just play ball.

USMC2841

July 12th, 2012
3:31 pm

Lurker

There are several sections of the NCAA rules that make everyone involved in the athletics department accountable. The NCAA has asked PSU to respond to charges of violation of Article 2.4 which states,” …intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society.” NCAA bylaw 19.01.2 also states that “coaches must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. These are open ended for just such allegations.

ugab

July 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

This is one messed up, sick situation.. Something should have been done with Sandusky. He will burn in Hell. They will get him in prison. Shame on Penn State for covering this up.. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE VICTIMS.. GOD BLESS THE VICTIMS OF PENN STATE COVER UP.

Tommy

July 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

The people on this blog that think that this has nothing to do with the athletes, past and current aren’t seeing the big picture. By covering this up it enable the program to continue to have a positive image and gain $$ from boosters which in turn is invested in the facilities that they use to recruit the top prospects which are the past and current players. These young men that are there will be allowed to transfer with no penalty. If this had been exposed years ago then the coaches and staff would have to explain the parents of the top recruits how they believe in helping to mold their teens into young men. Recruits would have looked elsewhere, maybe not them all but enough to hurt them on the playing field, and boosters would have demanded explanations. This is exactly why they covered it up and they knew that it would have a negative impact on the program. This is exactly why they deserve the death penalty.

Hand wringers

July 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

EVeryone whining about protecting the current players/staff/fans because they had nothing to do with it. You are correct. But what about EVERY SINGLE PROBATION and PENALTY that the NCAA has handed to hundreds of schools before. Did this not affect everyone of those players/staff/fans as well? It doesn’t have to be the Death Penalty. Loss of scholarships, bowl ban, shame on the University in general hurt the current group who did nothing as well. Yet, I don’t hear much outcry about that when it happens…in fact fans of other programs seem to celebrate those penalties.

Lurker

July 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

adawgfan,

Are you suggesting that we take criminal prosecution away from the courts and let the NCAA decide it? Would you support letting Sandusky out of jail so that the NCAA can take over the punishments? If not, the keep the NCAA out of it. They are not a criminal justice institution.

USMC2841

July 12th, 2012
3:35 pm

I think the only decent thing for PSU to do is vacate their 1983 Sugar Bowl victory.

TR

July 12th, 2012
3:37 pm

Death penalty will not happen , All the pervs who covered this up are gone. no one left to punish!

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:39 pm

adawgfan
July 12th, 2012
3:29 pm

To all the persons who believe this is not a football issue and punishing the current players / staff is not releveant:
WHAT IS PUNISHMENT FOR? Punishment is to prevent other institutions from commiting the same crime.

Hahhaha……………..after all the NCAA punishments handed down over the years then WHY do we still see the SAME infractions occur? The death penalty doesn’t stop killing and never will.

Lurker

July 12th, 2012
3:39 pm

USMC2841

Everyone who commited a crime in this case should be IN JAIL. If the NCAA wants to start enforcing morality, then they will be bombarded with all kinds of allegations(The coach smokes marijuana, the coach drinks beer, the coach went to a strip club, etc.) If they start defining morality and character, then the NCAA will be disbanded in a few years. This is not something for them to get involved with. Let the criminal justice system take all of the guilty parties off of the street.

Joey

July 12th, 2012
3:40 pm

“little boy toucher?”
**********************
Damn, somebody leave a link for this idiot, “The Truth” so he can read what that monster did to 10-12 year old boys.

Hopefully Sandusky gets “touched” like his victims did.

How would you feel if your son, brother, or nephew got “touched” like Sandusky’s victims did?

You are a brainless dumb***.

doc

July 12th, 2012
3:40 pm

agreed jeff. sadly, i was for giving joe pa his due until information changed to suggest otherwise. it just did and his family will have to live with it. i felt the same way about mv7 to give him a chance to be honest, right up until the day it all cascaded down on him with evidence of his lying repeatedly about abusing animals. it is time to let of the greatness of joe pa and see so clearly he was part of the whole process of letting this go on as was mv7. all life should be respected and neither did preferring their own pleasures and accomplishments.

mv7 has paid his dues and should go on to any success he can. good for him. joe pa just goes to his grave with his legacy intact no longer.

joe doran

July 12th, 2012
3:41 pm

Joepa was always an arrogant pos!! He’s always put psu football ahead of any moral or just decision. Just a mistake… please.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:42 pm

ddwagfan……PUNISHMENT is hopefully prevent the punished person from continuing to commit crimes but as seen in the recidivism rate that doesn’t work either.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
3:43 pm

@Lurker…there is plenty of room for both the criminal justice system to hand out penalties to those involved with the cover up and also the NCAA to penalize the program. It does not need to be exclusive. The NCAA is the governing body when it comes to collegiate athletics and athletic departments. If in 1998 or 2001 the proper thing was done and the pedophile was handed over to the authorities the school would probably not face sanctions. When the athletic department and presidents of the university decided to cover up the situation and allow it to continue it made the university liable and it allows the NCAA to hand down sanctions against the PSU football program. The reason why NCAA sanctions are absolutely necessary is to provide a deterrent for future incidents.

billyBobjacket

July 12th, 2012
3:43 pm

Joe Pa and the rest hid the truth and covered up for that @$$#!9& so they could keep the recruits and cash flowing in. Everyone affiliated with the program currently benefits from the cash and reputation (tarnished though it is) that the cover-up enabled, so it is reasonable that they pay part of the price. For the kids that wanted an education, let them stay and get a degree on full scholarship…they will be better off educationally without the distractions of football. For those who came because PSU is a football factory and they just want to go on to the NFL, let them transfer to another football factory without penalty. When leaders make bad decisions, everyone below them has to pay the price (just look at our national situation, Greece, etc.), that is just the way the world works. People should be more careful about their blind hero worship of leaders…

B

July 12th, 2012
3:44 pm

On a slightly other note, all of this occured several years ago right? To my knowledge, there was no new incident that occured last football season or right before this past season right? So someone tell me something, why did all the stuff hit the fan and become public only a couple weeks (give or take) after Joe Pa number of football victories passed Coach Eddie Robinson at Grambling State University? Timing is everything, could it be that some folks “sat” on this until Joe Pa passed Eddie Robinson? Again, much of this stuff was known years ago, so why did it become public after he passed Eddie Robinson???

Hand wringers

July 12th, 2012
3:45 pm

A University problem but not a football problem? Sandusky was showering in the Athletic Dept. facility and had an on-campus office within the athletic dept…even visiting it the week before this all came crashing down. He was still bringing Second Mile boys to Penn State football games. You think ole Jer bought his skybox ticket at the window like the rest of us shnooks?

The University AND the athletic department not only protected this guy…they enabled him. The athletic department is just as culpable as the University.

tom

July 12th, 2012
3:46 pm

I have been a Penn State/Paterno fan since a young child. I do not know what to say. Such sadness.

The Reverend Baby Doctor Bedpan

July 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

It is in God’s hands now. If you are a true Christian and follower of Christ, you know that this was meant to be. God has a plan for all of us, even these unfortunate boys.

Let us pray.

Matt

July 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

Once again as most people in the sports world as a profession agree, this has nothing to do with the actual player, nothing, and that’s it. NCAA has no right or room to stick their nose into any criminal investigation unless it includes players. Yes these were horrific crimes, and whoever covered up or knew and took no chain of action should be be locked up, key thrown away. But NCAA has no legal right putting their nose into any criminal act that does not include NCAA athletes. Go Michigan, i hate penn state, but break down the facts, it had nothing do with NCAA athletes, period. One last thing, if NCAA would get involved they will open a door they may not be able to close. Who is to say how far they can go, they are not the law, they are their to govern the NCAA athlete.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
3:54 pm

Vanderbilt abolished the department of athletics wile Gordon Gee was there. From listening to the board and the president speaking at a press conference a few minutes ago, I don’t think they will go that far.

JB

July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

2 or 3 bad cops on a force say the size of Atlanta should not taint the fine work of the entire force. This was awful. The legacy of this coach is ruined. All the alumni will be ever shamed. I would not condemn the entire student and professional population of this University.

Well

July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

Hey Dawg/Bama fans.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Ruben Foster just announced he’s solidly committed to Auburn.

tom

July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

You are 100% right, can not agree more.

MrDan

July 12th, 2012
3:57 pm

The sad truth is college football has become such a god on some campus’ that a coach like Joe Paterno would even think about covering up something like this is beyond belief. I’m sure there has been a lot of things swept under the table at universities across the country in order to keep the fund raising in tact. But I agree, this has to be atoned for in a big way. I doubt the NCAA has the b@((s to even want to go near this one but there will be some serious litigation going on. Get used to it. We live in such a sex saturated culture that I bet Sandusky still thinks he did nothing wrong. And Bobby Petrino’s still scratching his head.

John, Ducktown

July 12th, 2012
3:57 pm

Let the program continue to play. But get rid of every person who had ties to Sandusky and “covered up” the allegations, etc.
There is no need to punish an entire institution because of 6-10 people. All you are doing is kicking a dead horse at that point. That is what is wrong with this country. We tend to punish anyone we can, when it was only a few. No need to turn this into a witch hunt. There were players on that team, etc. that had no idea that this was going on. There were people at the university that had no idea that this is going on. So you punish the ENTIRE program because of a few bad apples?
No. You punish the people involved and leave it at that. Punishing the entire university is the easy thing to do. Don’t forget giving the death penalty to the football program isn’t the entire answer either because there were other folks involved who oversaw the university and made decisions for the university (President’s, chancelors, etc.)
All

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
3:57 pm

Who were all the people punished in the Cover Up for years of Sexual Abuse Bill Clinton engaged in as a Governor and the President? Was anybody punished at all?

Just Asking

July 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

So if an employee or former employee of the AJC commits sexual acts against a minor and key managers of the AJC have knowledge of it and do not report it, then should the AJC be forced to close its doors and shut down its web site and go totally out of business.

What’s good for one should be good for all. Serious answers please.

Just Asking.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

@Matt – it has everything to do with the folks running the football program (head coach, head of athletic department, university vice presidents) and the football program in general. NCAA certainly has jurisdiction when it comes to coaches, ADs, and football programs behaving badly.

HORRIFIC

July 12th, 2012
4:00 pm

In this country, if someone gives a ride to a buddy and they walk in to a bank/store, whatever (while the guy giving the ride is still in the car knowing absolutely NOTHING about what is going on) and his buddy pulls a gun, shoots someone and robs the establishment, the car driver will be charged and go to prison for sure – AND HE DIDN”T KNOW ANYTHING.

NOW – EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE HEATHENS WHO KNEW, SAW,IT, AND IT WAS REPORTED TO, AND STOOD BY AND DID NOTHING SHOULD GO TO PRISON FOR AS LONG AS ANY DECENT/UNCORRUPT/GOOD JUDGE CAN SEND THEM OFF FOR. THIS INCLUDES MIKE MCCREARY – I MEAN HOW CAN YOU WITNESS THIS (IF THAT IS SO) AND TURN AROUND AND NOT IMMEDIATELY GRAB THAT YOUNG MAN OUT OF THE SHOWER WITH SANDUSKY AND THEN CALL THE POLICE – AND I DON’T MEAN THE CAMPUS POLICE? MIKE WAS A BIG YOUNG MAN AND COULD HAVE EASILY DONE THIS. INSTEAD, HE LEFT, CALLED HIS “DADDY” AND THEN REPORTED IT THE NEXT DAY, ALL THE WHILE THAT YOUNG BOY WAS LEFT TO THE HANDS OF SANDUSKY IN A SHOWER……….HE SHOULD NOT BE WORKING AT ALL FOR PENN STATE IF HE STILL IS – HE SHOULD BE FIRED (IF THE REPORTS OF WHAT HE DID ARE TRUE).

ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY WHO TURNED A BLIND EYE HOPING IT WOULD GO AWAY SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING OUR COUNTRY CAN POSSIBLY THROW AT THEM. IT IS THE EPITOME OF CORRUPTION AND HUMAN BEINGS LIVES WILL NEVER, EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.

AS FAR AS THE UNIVERSITY, I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THESE MEN SUE THE PANTS OFF OF THE UNIVERSITY, SANDUSKY, AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, THE NON-PROFIT, ETC. AND GET THE VERY MOST THAT EACH ONE CAN – HIT THEM AS HARD AS THEY CAN.

THEN, YES, I BELIEVE THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE IMPOSED ON PENN STATE U. ANYONE WHO STILL REMAINS AND/OR WISHES TO GO TO THAT SCHOOL NOW SHOULD BE QUESTIONING THEMSELVES AS TO WHY? ANYWAY. I HOPE THE ENROLLMENT FOLDS AND DECLINES – AS THE TRUE LEGACY OF PATERNO, PENN STATE, ET. AL. SHOULD TRULY BE JUST A DECEITFUL, LINGERING SHADOW OF ITS’ HIDEOUS FORMER SELF…….

Ted Haynes

July 12th, 2012
4:02 pm

Even Shephard Smith on Fox News is quoting Jeff’s article.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

Again…it is the cover up that is the big problem for the university and football program. Had they reported the criminal when they knew about it…this would have all been over years ago.

Paquet du 10

July 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

Just Asking
July 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

So if an employee or former employee of the AJC commits sexual acts against a minor and key managers of the AJC have knowledge of it and do not report it, then should the AJC be forced to close its doors and shut down its web site and go totally out of business.

What’s good for one should be good for all. Serious answers please.

Just Asking.

Yes!!!! I vote Mark Bradley first to go!

Lurkinator

July 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

As I understand, the NCAA can punish universities, student-athletes, and university staff that give the NCAA a bad name; they have, in the past, for much less than this. If, to the NCAA, a legacy of superior athletics is more important than a legacy of integrity, then we should abolish the NCAA completely. However, I don’t think this is the case.

The NCAA is also about good sportsmanship, which means following the rules and playing fairly. In the case of Penn State, certain high-ranking officials failed to show integrity and good sportsmanship, and the NCAA *can* and *should* punish Penn State. I feel extremely badly for the victims and their families and wish for their healing; having had some experience of my own in the area, I can sympathize with their pain and their righteous need for justice. However, the innocent student-athletes and staff members who will be affected by NCAA sanctions is deeply regrettable too.

No one wins in this scenario, but the NCAA should make an example of Penn State and the handful of folks involved in this cover-up so that we can make sure this never happens again.. and not just child abuse, but ANY kind of sexual abuse.

TL;DR: NCAA can and should punish Penn State; not sure if “death penalty” is the right answer, but something needs to be done.

gtfan1951

July 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

Miami and Penn State should be given death penalty! There is no other way!

Matt

July 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

this did not involve the athletes. they can not give a penalty to the program. They could do something to the coach or ad department, but has nothing to do with the football program. Most of u people are giving the same power to paterno yet just as the people of horror valley has done for years, saying that he was the football program, in reality he was not. The players that went their are the program. Nick Saban is not the football program, hes the coach. This did not effect performance, or did not change a recruits mind to come to penn state, as a bag of money or a car would have, which is not a crime, but its against NCAA rules.

Just saying..

July 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

Jeff-
Regrettably, we live in a culture that requires your solution, to get anyone’s attention.

Reggie1971

July 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

Agree. Shut the football program down permanently. The transgressions of Penn State are INFINITELY worse than those of SMU. A five or ten year death penalty won’t cut it.

FOOTBALL FAN

July 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

YES – THE NCAA HAS NO CHOICE – DEATH PENALTY. NOTHING IS MORE CLEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REASONS THAT SMU GOT THE DEATH PENALTY.

tom

July 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

its the dark ages, WITCH HUNT PEOPLE, WITCH HUNT! KILL THEM ALL!

tomato

July 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

God’s plan was for numerous boys to be raped? What a horrible god.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

Speaking of lack of institutional control and inaction- there is a local trade school that doesn’t seem to care or know how to protect it’s students from harm.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

HORRIFIC
July 12th, 2012
4:00 pm

In this country, if someone gives a ride to a buddy and they walk in to a bank/store, whatever (while the guy giving the ride is still in the car knowing absolutely NOTHING about what is going on) and his buddy pulls a gun, shoots someone and robs the establishment, the car driver will be charged and go to prison for sure – AND HE DIDN”T KNOW ANYTHING.

NOT true. The driver in Chatt Hills just won a case for $600K for false arrest on similar situation. It is in the AJC so you can look it up from earlier this week.

Are you guys serious

July 12th, 2012
4:15 pm

Has nothing to do with the football program? Are you serious? What part of a head coach and key assistant is nothing to do with the football program? Do you realize programs go on probation ALL THE TIME because of the bad acts of 1-2 players or coaches, punishing the rest of the team and students, like USC with the bowl ban, the list goes on and on. So to say to punish the school because it doesn’t involve any of the players is a total joke. Of course you can do that and it happened. USC is a prime example. And it should happen.

But the astounding thing is you morons saying this doesn’t involve the football program. I mean serious? what part of the head coach and assistant IS NOT part of the football program? No it didn’t involve athletes, thank the lord. But it involved the program members. There are schools that go on probation JUST FOR THE ACTS of their coaches. It has happened. It can happen. It should happen.

A head coach, covered up criminal acts of an assistant football coach in 1998, and continued to do it for the next 15 years. Why, because it would tarnish HIS PROGRAM. Then despite knowing this continued to let this guy on campus. And you are saying this doesn’t involve the program??? Are you freaking kidding. you folks have to get real. This involves the program as much as a player taking benefits and the coach covering it up. Except, it was an assistant doing criminal acts and the coach covering it up. They are one in the same.

Punish em. Punish em hard.

Marko

July 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

With the disappearance of Ray Gricar, the DA who had investigated the claims against Sandusky and didn’t prosecute back in 2001, you really have to wonder if this is even bigger than it seems now.

kimmer

July 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

I cannot believe the ridiculous notions on this board fueled by Jeff’s ridiculous blog. What happened at PSU was horrible, reprehensible, purely evil, and those involved should be punished to the greatest extent possible but the NCAA has no authority here. Lack of institutional control is specific to following NCAA regulations not state law. If people want the PSU football program shut down then pressure the Pennsylvania college board or legislature to do it. Let pubic ostracism do it. You better believe that recruiters are going to use this situation with deadly effectiveness. Bottom line is PSU is going to pay dearly for this regardless of the NCAA.

Don’t hand even more power to a capricious and corrupt NCAA who might ‘get’ PSU but will then surely use their expanded powers to ensure that CFB is even more a domain of the haves and have nots.

Charlie Pell Grant

July 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

Would never happen under Vince Dooley.

DunwoodyDawg

July 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

I doubt it will happen. The cover up is so far reaching that the entire university might need to be shut down. Regardless, I expect that the punitive damages in the law suite they are about to face will be in the billions. Penn State this is only going to get worse.

matt

July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

make everyone suffer, the business who counts on the traffic and games to stay a float, the people that work at the stadium on the weekend to feed their own kids, trying to earn an extra dollar, the current players. This effects alot more people then just the program! The community around penn state in general, think about it people, should they suffer, everyone is so quick to slam the hammer here. Maybe in the future some of you can loose ur job or earnings because a few people at ur place of work committed a crime and wel……l they just close the doors. Not right is it.

blazerdawg

July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

JS- Morehouse soccer?

Carl

July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

If you disagree with Jeff’s take, please post your address and the ages of your children – I’ll have some people over post-haste to rape them – then we will mock you and act all sactimoniously snarky when you try and call for every form of justice to be applied. BTW – anyone ever rapes my son – they won’t ever go on trial – i will for aggrevated assault and first degree murder…just saying

Elaine Dim

July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

Horrible situation but I agree with the death penality-NO FOOTBALL! These kids are now men and have to live with this. It’s a shame for the kids who are there to play football but it is our duty not to let this go with no ramifications.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

Since all the Coaches and most of the Administrators are Catholic maybe we can tie it to the Catholic Church and go for some real deep pockets.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

The Associated Press via the NY Times just published ” a list of some of the scandals that drew massive attention prior to Penn State.” The scandal involving Harrick and academics is one of of the few that were highlighted in that article.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm

That was a quote from the article, not my own words.

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm

CARL……put the Swing Blade down and get some biscuits, fried taters and mustard.

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

Joey – are you not allowed within 500 ft of a school or school bus stop? Should I have been more descriptive in my reference to Uncle Jerry? Your comment was useless. You should no longer be legally allowed to share your thoughts, as they insult the intelligence of those reading and/or listening.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

@4:21p.m. “the business who counts on the traffic and games to stay a float, the people that work at the stadium on the weekend to feed their own kids, trying to earn an extra dollar, the current players. This effects alot more people then just the program! The community around penn state in general”

That is why the coverup was done.

HORRIC

July 12th, 2012
4:28 pm

TO: 5150 UOAD Thanks for sharing about that instance. However, there are many sitting in prison today that did not fare that well and were considered to be an “accomplice.” Regardless, my point I believe you understood – these people did know and yes it is just horrible for these individual human beings – thanks…

GTBob

July 12th, 2012
4:29 pm

If you disagree with Jeff’s take, please post your address and the ages of your children – I’ll have some people over post-haste to rape them

lol. Wow. Im pretty sure everyone on here wants everyone involved with the crime and the cover up to have the harshest punishment possible. There is a very valid argument though about whether the NCAA can or should give their own punishments in this situation though. People are acting like if the NCAA doesn’t give Penn State the death penalty then they got off scott free. That isn’t the case at all.

sting_em

July 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

They will at least have sanctions from the NCAA and the Big 10. This is just too big to let them slide. Wouldn’t be surprised one bit to see them kicked out of the Big 10. Hate to see any program shut down, but it could happen. PSU will be too toxic even for the BE or the ACC for a while. They say it will hurt the players, the students, or the alumni. If they felt this will hurt them, they can transfer to another school with a football program. The University will loose hundreds of millions in lawsuits. Should be paid by the athletic budget or donors to the program. Pretty serious stuff.

matt

July 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

the community was the last thing on paternos mind im sure. But would any of u like to lose ur job because ur boss committed a crime. Well sorry little johnny, can’t eat tonight my boss committed a crime and so daddy can’t make money either. Come on people this is way to big and way over some little NCAA ruling let the the real law, like judges, cops and people with authority do their jobs. S**T runs down hill and im sure none of u so quick to throw the ax would not want to be at the bottom of the hill, so do make others stand their.

ExplodingPeaches

July 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

Penn State and especially Paterno had the chance to get this guy out of their locker rooms and off campus back in 1998. He was a liability and the best way to handle that is to hand them over to the cops, ask them to resign their job, and explain that they have behaved in a scandalous way and are not to step foot on campus ever again. It doesn’t matter if he gets convicted. His behavior on school grounds in 1998 was not OK. And what’s worse? He admitted he’d done it before. Mind you, he said it was only naked hugging. But that alone is a giant RED FLAG on the field. Better to be safe than sorry. But now, no one is more sorry than the victims.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
4:36 pm

Heck the PSU board of trustees is even better than some of you enablers and hacks trying to protect PSU. They admitted in the just finished press conference that there were “severe problems with institutional control”. The cover up was to protect the football program…

Kenneth Frazier PSU board of trustee is a shining light at the university…he seems to have the right approach. He admits problems…he understands there are going to be severe ramifications.

jeff 14

July 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

Need death penalty for 1 reason: SEND THE MESSAGE TO EVERY COLLEGE– YOU SHALL NEVER, EVER LET ANYTHING REMOTELY THIS STUPID EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. COME CLEAN OR LIES = DEATH.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

@matt – buy a clue millions lose their jobs annually because of poor decisions by management. The justice system will get their pound of flesh as will the NCAA…plenty of room for both to enact justice.

If you make you living off of PSU football you would be wise to be looking for alternatives.

dhutch113

July 12th, 2012
4:42 pm

Agree with Schultz…Death Penalty. And it’s not about punishing the athletes, it’s about punishing the school and the administration. They must be held accountable. They gave Paterno absolute power, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. But will the NCAA make a stand? not likely.
It would be classsy of Penn State if current administrators shut down the football program for a time on its own. Again, not likely.
God bless the victims and their families. Hope you packed your sunscreen Jo Pa, I hear there’s a heatwave in hell.

SSI

July 12th, 2012
4:44 pm

You are absolutley correct. College athletics has gotten completely out-of-hand, and it’s refreshing UGA’s Mark Richt is an example of someone trying to turn the ship.

Michael Alexander

July 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Those who think that ordinary citizens are powerless to penalize PSU are mistaken. The Governor is the where the buck stops with a public university. He appoints the board. If PSU and it’s board fails to take the necessary steps with the football program and / or to police itself, then the citizens of Pennsylvania can lean on the governor to make the necessary actions happen at PSU’s board level. If they believe the governor is weak or not doing enough, then they can vote out the governor.

This is not really an NCAA issue, but a State of Pennsylvania issue.

matt

July 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

@TRS – I 100% agree, but its because of a bad product, if its sales, a factory or a car maker that just makes bad cars. Not a football program that has record earnings every year. If a company is loosing money they fire their current management and hire a new one or ones, in the attempt to turn around the company and produce a better product in hole.

anonymous

July 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Shutting down the program is not punishing innocent players. They can be given complete free rein to transfer to other schools, and they could and SHOULD still have their scholarships honored while doing so.

The entire football program needs to be totally CLEANSED, for a long period of time. I say for at least 2 years.

Penn State will just have to re-grow itself from the loss of football revenue. It can and it will. If not, maybe that result is meant to be.

But the nation and the world will stive live on.

Braves #17 Fan

July 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

How can anyone with the knowledge of what Sandusky was doing, sleep at night? How can so many people be wrong by continuing to allow this to happen. I coach youth baseball and am good friends with the other coaches, but if one of them were to shoot off in the wrong direction, I’d intervene in a second. I think anyone would. I just don’t get it.

doc

July 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

you underestimate norhern universities and their power. Why is that the new rules in the so called playoffs never referred(sp?) to each conference having its own playoff game like the SEC does??————–Why is college football so wacked out??——Because the NCAA allows it to be. Why dont they just let the NFL have a clear shot at high school graduates and leave college out of it all? Money. So now that we all know its all about money——it is doomed—it is only going to get worse. Cam Newton stealing things and failing courses is kicked out of Florida and pops up playing for Auburn.
It is a media event——–not football. Its about selling hotdogs and drinks—not football.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

Maybe the trustees will boil it down to this decision. A – Put bronze plaques in the shower and the offices of the coach, AD, VP and president, and the rest of the facilities that read “Terrible things happened here, and the world knows it” , or, B – Tear down the places where the evil was done or abetted.

GTVegas

July 12th, 2012
4:52 pm

If the NCAA decides that it should use this opportunity to send a message, it will find a way to hand down the appropriate punishment (Death Penalty, in my opinion). If it decides that it can weather the storm of criticism and keep PSU in business, it will fall back on the position that allows it to do so. It will be interesting to see just what message the NCAA is going to promote.

As for the arguement that innocent people will suffer, primarily the athletes that had no part in this, isn’t it usually the case that the current crop of athletes end up paying the price for previous coach’s/administration’s indiscretions?

I just don’t think that there is really any just punishment other than shutting down the program that will have any meaningful impact on other such programs that find themselves in the similar position.

The program need to be shut down for at least a recruiting cycle (5 years). Everyone involved, either directly or had knowledge of such, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Alex

July 12th, 2012
4:52 pm

This is a criminal matter, it has nothing to do with the NCAA and the student athletes that give their life day-in/day-out to the sport they love. Those 3 administrators and the football coach covered this up to save themselves and in no way shape or form was it going to make the football program better?!?! The four of them should all rot in prison for not coming forward with the horrible things that Sandusky did to those kids. When speaking about the death penalty or fines that are handed out to programs, every time it has to do with programs supplementing athletes or their families in order to make the program better completely disregarding NCAA rules.

This situation, again, has nothing to do with the student athletes that step on that field. Those student athletes had nothing to do with Sandusky, Curley, Spanier, Schultz or Paterno’s actions and had no idea this was happening. This should be dealt with legally, not through the NCAA. The University and its administrators should be held at fault: fined, imprisoned (really nothing will bring them to justice for the things that happened over the past decade). But the last people that should be punished are those players that the administrators and coach paterno took advantage of, because they had no role/idea any of this was happening.

reebok

July 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

Absolutely zero chance of the death penalty. None. Welcome back, Schultzie!

Awful

July 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

“At the request of the Pennsylvania Attorney General, the Special Investigative Counsel did not interview former Pennsylvania State University Director of Public Safety Thomas Harmon or former Coach Michael McQueary, among others.” – per the report on PAGE 12 online here with the AJC. WHY????? That is very interesting….any comments regarding this Jeff?

Shark Punch!

July 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

I guess we should also tear down the Paterno Library (built with millions of dollars raised by the guy some of you call an “arrogant POS”) as well, in order to satisfy some people’s desire for vengeance. This PSU alumnus (who couldn’t care less about the fate of their football program) wonder if those of you showing such indignant moral outrage have done a single thing to fight against sexual abuse in our society. Because if you haven’t, go puff your chests elsewhere.

Those who are saying that academic sanctions aren’t appropriate in this case should know that Spanier’s administration supported academic sanctions, including expulsion in some cases, against students for their actions in the OFF-CAMPUS riots during 1998 ArtsFest, even with ongoing criminal proceedings against those students. Maybe ol’ GrahamCracker should have been spending less time on his crusade against underage drinking.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

@4:46p.m. “The Governor is the where the buck stops with a public university.”

The situation with SMU had the added problem that the governor was actively involved in the funneling of money to the football players. Also, SMU is a private school which complicated the State of Texas doing anything.

bulldog steve

July 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

What I don’t understand is how McQueary is not being thrown under the bus, or his father for that matter? McQueary gets to use the whistle blower clause to keep his job and also sue the university, but why were they able to fire Paterno since he did the very same thing, report to his superiors? From my understanding McQueary’s father was a Dr., did he not have a legal obligation to report the crime? Nobody will know what Paterno knew, didn’t know, did or didn’t do because he cannot defend himself. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the courts, but I am sure the remaining people involved will use this to try to save their butt.

Concerned

July 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

2000 – 2004

The record shows Joe Pa knew. His worst strech of any during his 40+ years of caoching.

2000 5 – 7
2001 5 – 6
2002 9 – 4
2003 3 – 9
2004 4 – 7

This is 5.2 victories per year at Penn State right after all the guilt was there. Their very worst records during Joe Pa’ years after the cover-up.

The signs were there, and the school kept him, and he also had huge leverage over the AD as it was covered up. Hence Joe’s was too long tenure.

Amazing!

dawg-gone

July 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

Right on the money. Penn State should have shut down the football prgram on their own months ago. I guess they will wait for the NCAA to do it for them. ……. In a couple of years.

F**K Paterno

July 12th, 2012
4:59 pm

Shut down the football program at Penn State for 100 years. Start putting people in jail. Give out life sentences like you’re giving out candy at kids birthday party.

Larry

July 12th, 2012
4:59 pm

You are 100% right Jeff. This is more serious than any game. Let the existing players transfer to other schools without penalty. What those coaches and school administrators condoned was a crime against nature, and pure evil.

rivercard

July 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Bulldog Steve- Agree. There is no acceptable explanation for McQueary leaving that child with Sandusky.

PSU73

July 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

There is nothing I would rather see than the PSU football program dismantled because of this. Tear down the stadium and sow salt in the ground so nothing grows there. And I am an alum.

Glenn

July 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

Yeah . Even if I was a Penn ST alum I would want to have removed football removed for a couple of years . Just take some time soak in bleach and remove some of the filth .

BTW , I have a cousin in SMU . She’s a total idiot . Definitely not an academic powerhouse if they took her in . Yes her father is silly rich . I think maybe more of a place of wealth .

CDA

July 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

The loss institutional control occured when they found out in 1998 that he was pedophile, after which they put him into retirement in 1999, yet they continued to allow him to have an office and use the football program to lure young boys to campus perpetuating his disgusting conduct of which they all had knowledge. All of them placed the continuuation of the football program above the safety of the boys, providing Sandusky with a facility, the team showers, to commit his multiple rapes.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

Director of Public Safety Thomas Harmon or former Coach Michael McQueary, among others may have been excluded because of rules of evidence and testimony complicating any future legal action by the attorney general involving those people.

Voithe of Reathon

July 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Thome people are tho jealouth of Jethuth.
Altho, infinate congressional benifets doeth thound pretty good.

DEATH PENALTY

July 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

And today Nike founder Phil Knight has decided to change the name of the
“Joe Paterno Child Development Center”
on the Nike Corporate Campus.

F**K Paterno

July 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

@SharkPunch. Yes, we should tear down the Paterno Library. He may have done some good but the evil he committed far outweighs the good. I’m sure Hitler did some good as well, but we all know the evil he committed. Paterno was definitely a great coach, but a horrible human being. We don’t need ‘great” football coaches in this country or this world. We need good people who will do the right thing. – Remove Paterno’s name from anything and everything. Punish Penn State University. Suspend their football program for 100 years (minimum). THe rest of the coaches and staff who knew. sentence them to death.

Tear It Down

July 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

Tear down the locker room and the offices that JoePa and Sandusky used.
Convert Happy Valley to a soccer stadium.
Let no one forget how incredibly exciting it is to remember but never forget.
Amen.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
5:05 pm

@4:55p.m. “I guess we should also tear down the Paterno Library”

Renaming it appropriately would be sufficient.

F**K Paterno

July 12th, 2012
5:05 pm

Remove the Governor of Pennsylvania as well.

Laurie

July 12th, 2012
5:06 pm

this case reminds me of the catholic church. There was a cover up and priest were pigs. However, it doesn’t say anywhere in the catholic doctrine that molesting BOYS is okay so why would they get rid of the catholic church OR the religion. that’s kind of what we are saying about PSU football. Yes, this man was a coach and he did horrific things to children on campus and there was a cover up involving Paterno somewhat. However, if you blame one man for a cover up in Sandusky’s years of abuse, you can blame thousands. what about the family, the social workers of the kids they placed in sandusky’s home, the adopted children who must have know it was happening in their own BASeMEnT, the charity he was involve in that allowed these boys to sleep at this man’s home, these boy’s parents who allowed their boys to sleep at a grown man’s home, the district attorney who had all the facts given to them by PSU in 1998 and had the charges DROPPED and last but not least the current governor of Pennsylvania who told the DA to have the charges DROPPED. Last I checked, if charges were dropped, then there’s little someone can do about it. Although Paterno may have been able to do more, we can ALL look back and say that about SOMETHING in life. At that time, it didn’t look like it did today in 2012! it’s horrifying but to say it had anything with the football program is kind of stupid. If you say the football program was involved merely because some of the case involved a disregard of the case in general, is like penalizing ALL of the school’s extracurricular programs. After all, NCAA clearly stated that no rules were broken so how can they make a claim to the football program without making the same claim on all other athletic teams. I just don’t see it happening…

NeverAgain

July 12th, 2012
5:06 pm

It’s not just the football program. This is the culture at the University (and at most huge institutions) as a whole.

To say that it’s a football problem is incorrect. It’s an image problem for Penn State. The former administration covered up, dismissed or downplayed many things that it viewed would be “bad” for it. Just so happened that this story blew up big time. Because the death threats to African American students and other issues weren’t big enough to make national news. The abuse of little boys is sensational.

Don’t let Penn State put the blame on football. That would be like blaming the arm for the sins of the man.

A victim speaks

July 12th, 2012
5:08 pm

I am a female who was sexually molested by someone I trusted, who I looked up to as a father, who was in a position of authority over me. I now see how he “groomed” me to be near him, etc. I didn’t see it as molestation then; it was packaged as “love” for me, and since I didn’t have a father in my life, I accepted his “love.” He, too, was prominent/nationally known, so I understand the lure of it all; you feel special that this big time person wants you near him. But it’s wrong.

I found the PSU press conference lacking. PSU and their boards need to OWN this culpability. Paterno, Curley, etc., NAME them and call them out. The effects of this abuse of power has long-lasting effects. the PSU football program should be shut down for two years minimum.

My recent fiance–I hurt for him during this time, too, because he was molested by his sister, beginning when he was 9 years old and she was 19. She was a caregiver over him when he was growing up as one of ten kids. He told me it went on for three years and he has never had therapy about it. He’s now early-60+. But alas, he did develop borderline personality disorder and it has so messed him up. SO sad, but despite my efforts, there’s nothing I can do and I don’t think his other remaining siblings know. Two of them told me that at the time (then), they just thought he was a “rebellious” child. But he was acting out because of the sexual abuse by his sister. Shame on her. And hearing of the Sandusky victims, I can’t help but still hurt for my ex who doesn’t want to talk to her about it because he’s “not sure she remembers.” She remembers! Plus with BPD, he lacks the emotional tools to deal with the conversation. [Childhood sexual abuse is a contributing factor to BPD in 75% of BPD cases.]

I hope PSU does NOT in any way still honor Joe Paterno; he is scum for putting football and PSU above the concern for these children being molested by Jerry Sandusky, and Paterno’s family needs to publicly apologize for Joe’s disgraceful cowardice and misplaced goals.

TRS

July 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

Laurie

July 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

i’m not really sure why people are talking about the death penalty. NCAA stated a few months ago that even if it comes out that they could have done more and that it was a cover up, it’s a criminal issue and does NOT violate the NCAA violations. The death penalty wouldn’t even be on the table. They said the same thing today so i’m not sure why we are even discussing it.

Tear It Down

July 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

Exhume Paterno’s body and parade his decapitated head through the streets of College Station.
Set fire to the Sandusky family home and those of his closest neighbors.
Drag Paterno’s fat idiot attorney son’s body through the streets of Harrisburg behind a horse&buggy.
Publish a list of the names of everyone involved in Sandusky’s charity and issue a a fatwah condeming them to .
In other words, what would Jesus do?

allen981

July 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

Shut Penn State down – now! No excuses can ever justify Penn State’s lack of action – none.

Dan

July 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

I can’t believe anyone is shocked to find out there was a cover up. That is what the big power programs do best

To: A Victim Speaks

July 12th, 2012
5:10 pm

Atlanta Native

July 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

How about just suspending Penn State’s football team from competing for a period of time rather than just cancelling it forever? Perhaps until a new policy is written up that can detect and prevent this kind of stuff from ever happening again, with specific protocols established within the entire chain of command of the school – and approved by an appointed board not connected with the university. And of course the installation of all new university executives and athletic department managers and coaches. Just sweep it clean.

I’m not a football fan, but the activity is important to many people,

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
5:12 pm

Shark Punch!……………for what Clinton did in the White House Oval Office we should tear it down too. Take the desk Monica Lewinski was under and burn it on the front lawn as well.

What's the Big Deal

July 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

I feel like a lot of people are really repressed. Why is everyone getting so worked up over a little horseplay?
Some people are so jealous of Jesus.

Give what was a young child a break

July 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

I’d like to see Mike McQueary and his father criminally charged (if indeed what is reported is true). They were the worst and biggest culprits in all of this – you mean you left that child there for more abuse and walked away? McQueary was not a “child” himself mind you and could have easily taken care of Sandusky….I hope and pray the Atty. General does not let him off the hook if proof is there in all of this…..

Laurie

July 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

we are still making this about football. it has nothing to DO with football. Almost all of the acts occurred in Sandusky’s basement and not the football campus. If the governor of PA had the case thrown out, there’s little someone can DO. Even the district attorney had the case thrown out in 1998. it’s easy for us in 2012 to look back and see the horror in this but at that time, would any of us have done anything differently… sadly the answer would be NO. It’s pathetic. Unfortunately, that’s the world we live in. the only pig in this entire situation from where I stand, is SANDUSKY. That man is ultimately accountable and NOBODY ELSE. PIG and he will rot in hell!

Atlanta Native Wrote:

July 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

” . . . a new policy is written up that can detect and prevent this kind of stuff from ever happening again, with specific protocols established within the entire chain of command of the school – and approved by an appointed board not connected with the university . . . blah blah blah, oh I farted, do you smell that. sensational. Bruce . . . !”

Atlanta Native Wrote:

July 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

How about just suspending Penn State’s football team from competing for a period of time rather than just cancelling it forever? Perhaps until a new policy is written up that can detect and prevent this kind of stuff from ever happening again, with specific protocols established within the entire chain of command of the school – and approved by an appointed board not connected with the university. And of course the installation of all new university executives and athletic department managers and coaches.
Blah Blah Blah. How about you put a lid on it, Nerd!

DEATH PENALTY

July 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

Could have been stopped years and years ago by a bunch of people who knew.

Mike S.

July 12th, 2012
5:20 pm

I agree 100% Jeff. This is most certainly worthy of the death penalty because, just like any other violation, it was covered up in order to preserve and uphold the athletic department.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

@5:09p.m. “Exhume Paterno’s body and parade his decapitated head through the streets of College Station.”

The King of England did that with the head of Simon Fraser, putting it on a pole next to that of William Wallace.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

July 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

those involved are out of the system at the university, so all you are really saying is lets ruin thousands of peoples lives by destroying ntheir livelyhood (which is what it would ammount to..that part of the state relies heavily on 6 saturdays a year) because I feel vindictive. If that is how you feel, fine..but admit it..and stop pretending its just about fairness and justice.

ARdawg

July 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

Laurie

Sandusky is the pig here but, he’s not the only one. The enablers are just as guilty. The ones who knew and sat idly by while it continued have just as much culpability

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

@5:11p.m. “Perhaps until a new policy is written up that can detect and prevent this kind of stuff from ever happening again, with specific protocols established within the entire chain of command of the school – and approved by an appointed board not connected with the university. And of course the installation of all new university executives and athletic department managers and coaches.”

That was the summary of the press conference earlier today. Study groups, procedures, institutional introspection, rearranging the furniture.

DEATH PENALTY

July 12th, 2012
5:27 pm

Paterno and his gang of administrative thugs hid the facts while Sandusky was on his decades long rampage.

Chuck Clausen

July 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

I don’t think this is an NCAA matter, there were no rule violations in which one team used the breaking of the rule in order to get a competitive advantage. Sandusky should go to jail and Paterno and everybody else involved in the cover up should be fired.

Shark Punch!

July 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

@ F**K Paterno: My working hypothesis is that you’re a simple troll, but I’ll bite. Do you really advocate depriving current students (who had nothing to do with these incidents) of a valuable academic resource just because it has a particular name attached to it? Why?

Since you feel so strongly about this issue, maybe you should be out there doing something about it.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

Laurie is correct. Hard to believe that this is still running along the lines of football. All of those that are in support of the NCAA and the proper authorities handling this at the same time – be careful what you wish for. The next time that a UGA or UF or any school’s football player is charged and arrested for assulting a woman, do you then want the NCAA to also step in and put the school and its athletic department on probation for its “lack of institutional control”? Once something like that gets a foothold, it is hard to stop it. Kind of like the crew that is running this country currently.

Jan Kemp Was Right

July 12th, 2012
5:37 pm

Football is to higher education as the proverbial Schwinn is to a trout.

Delbert D.

July 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

SSIgator – “Once something like that gets a foothold, it is hard to stop it. Kind of like the crew that is running this country currently.”

There is a direct correlation there with keeping the citizens as ignorant as sheep.

ATLcracker

July 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

When I read your headline I thought it was over the top. My initial thought was that criminal punishment of the four main players in the cover up and the assistant coach was enough. I didn’t think the Penn State community was culpable and should not be punished. But after I read the column and some of the comments I went back and read this paragraph: ” Penn State deserves to be hit hard. That may seem unfair to the student-athletes, officials and fans who knew nothing of Sandusky’s acts or the cover-up. But that’s the case with all NCAA sanctions”. I think my first reaction was completely wrong. The student-athletes, officials and fans benefited tremendously from this cover up and there has to be some negative consequences for that result. How severe? This is by far the worst scandal attached to any athletic program and the punishment must fit the crime. The punishment should be equal to or more severe than any previous punishment and only the SMU type death penalty meets that standard.

Shark Punch!

July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm

@ TrishaDishaWarEagle

I don’t think that Centre County would shrivel economically without football weekends, but otherwise, AMEN.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

Delbert D -

That’s why they are sheeple.

ARdawg

July 12th, 2012
5:43 pm

Demm….two days straight I have agreed with SSIgator. Quick, someone take my temp

TRS

July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

@SSlgator…YES! if the leaders of the football program are actively involved in a cover up and are enabling the crime to continue. The people who run these programs have a duty to handle situations like this correctly…what the PSU staff did was criminal.

The football program absolutely got a competitive advantage by trying to sweep this under the rug/cover it up. Had this come out in 98 or 01 the programs recruiting would have suffered but they probably would not have faced NCAA penalties because they did the proper thing and turned the pedo into the justice system. The cover up was pure and simple to protect the football program…allowing it to continue to occur in the football facilities.

They are going to deservedly suffer sanctions.

Chuck Clausen

July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

At one time in my life I worked in the Athletic department of one of our Country’s largest universities. It is highly likely few if anybody knew what was going on. I saw everyday people who’s name I didn’t know. My job as a coach was to win football games, we had little if any time to gossip.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

“The next time that a UGA or UF or any school’s football player is charged and arrested for assulting a woman, do you then want the NCAA to also step in and put the school and its athletic department on probation for its “lack of institutional control”?”

If the program knew about the assault and intentionally covered it up while the player continued assaulting women in campus locker rooms for years? Then hell yes the program should get smacked down.

BillS

July 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

If “lack of institutional control” is found to be an issue at any school, NCAA penalties should be enforced, whether Penn State or anywhere else. And stop this drivel about what would happen to all those poor people who had nothing to do with this: that does in no way mitigate the crime and the potential penalties

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
5:46 pm

ARdawg -

Not to worry. Once football season starts, we will again agree to disagree.

RunninWithTheDawgs

July 12th, 2012
5:55 pm

If the law does their job, I don’t see a reason for the death penalty. Anyone who had any knowledge of what was going on will be fired and or in prison, then you’d have a bunch of innocent people being punished. Maybe the NCAA could tell them to change the name of the school if they wanted to compete in the NCAA.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
5:55 pm

TRS and tomato -

I understand what you are saying, but where do you draw the line? If you let the NCAA in to also decide matters that should be a local issue, where do you draw the line? Or, as another “what if” situation: a football player at a school is convicted of a crime and punished by the local authorities, much to the relief of the local community. However, the NCAA rules that the local authorities did not exercise proper investigative techniques. As a result, the NCAA demands that the the school re-instate the convicted football player, much to the chagrin of the victim and yhe local community. What then?

CCA

July 12th, 2012
5:56 pm

The Sandusky

The Sandusky ordeal is a shame. I am not defending it, however we need to look at the bigger
picture of what is happening in society. Does acceptance of homosexuality in our society contribute? Did ROE vs WADE play any part in society digressing to this point? What caused the
Roman Catholic Church sex scandal? Let us not forget Slick Willie in the White House or Barney
Franks recent so called wedding.

VandyFan2012

July 12th, 2012
5:59 pm

Abolish all athletics at PSU. Athletes can transfer without sitting out.

Burn Paterno’s program to the ground and wipe any trace of it from the record books.SMU deserved the death penalty, Penn State deserves much, much worse than what SMU got. Penn State chose to protect their fraudulently acquired reputation as a class football program and university over children who were being sexually abused by a child predator in Penn State facilities because he was a friend of the head coach. Let that sink in. That is a felony crime and is several orders of magnitude worse than taking cash from alumni.

If Joe Paterno’s children were the ones being abused what do you think he would have done? And to hear the senior leadership of the university bow down to Paterno to protect their image is sickening.

Chuck Clausen

July 12th, 2012
6:00 pm

Woody was one of my heros – plenty of Buckeyes received a punch from the “Old Man” at practice – getting hit by a 66 year old man does not hurt, it was almost a badge of honor. Winning under Woody was a serious business. By the way I knew Joe Paterno well at one time, I would have been proud to have a son play for Joe.

tomato

July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

SSigator, the NCAA cannot overstep state and federal laws. If the player is convicted in a court of law, the NCAA cannot override that decision.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

It just dawned on me what we are all missing in this:

AltamahaDawg and his friend Nancy have yet to sign on with their opinions. Not to worry though, whatever they say will be what should happen because they know everything. If you don’t believe me, just ask them. They will tell you so.

SPS

July 12th, 2012
6:09 pm

NCAA sanctions generally punish the wrong people. Keep them out of it, and let the court system deal with that group of dirt bags.

perk

July 12th, 2012
6:10 pm

I had the death penalty discussion this morning with some clients. split on whether to give the death penalty. my 1st reaction was that it was not the football team. the evidence on Joe Pa changes that. It looks like he knew back in 92 and again in 98 before the 2001 incident. Something has to be done to the athletic dept. Bottom line is that kids are the victims….there lives are affected forever. I don’t care what people do with their lives with adults…..but don’t hurt kids. Everybody left (Pres, VP, AD, etc) who covered up should go to jail.

ERIC

July 12th, 2012
6:18 pm

OKAY EVERYONE GRAB YOUR PITCH FORKS AND TORCHS AND LETS GO AFTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO HID THIS SAME THING FOR DECADES. LETS MAKE ALL THE CHURCH GOERS SUFFER BECAUSE OF CHILD MOLESTING PRIEST.( HOW ABOUT WE LET THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM OUT OF IT AND USE THE MONEY GENERATED FROM IT GO FOR ABUSED CHILDREN?) THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.I BET THE ALOT OF THE PEOPLE ON HERE DIDNT MAKE COMMENTS WHEN THEY READ ABOUT THE PRIEST MOLESTING CHILDREN. WITH SOME OF THE JERKS IN HERE IT IS JUST ABOUT PENNSTATE FOOTBALL NOT THE CHILDREN. AND THATS SAD.

DEATH PENALTY

July 12th, 2012
6:20 pm

The Penn State administration
protected Sandusky while he attacked children for 14 years ( 5,110 days ) !

24jordan

July 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

I have been a fan for years I love the no name uniform that they have when they come on the field I also like the way Joe ran his program this goes beyond the realm of what life is all about people need to be held accountable for this kind of behavior this should not have been allowed too go on this long
shame, shame on you PS ………….. Yes I’m in favor of the DEATH PENALTY

Beast from the East

July 12th, 2012
6:23 pm

Sickening from the bottom to the top. How in the h3ll could not one of these men have the stones to try and put a stop to this?!?! Every man, from the janitors to the president, that had any knowledge of this and took no action is a f€#%ing p&$$y and should be locked up with serial rapists for the rest of their miserable lives.

LakeDawg

July 12th, 2012
6:29 pm

Dr. Phil

July 12th, 2012
10:35 am

College presidents earn obscene amounts of money. Our own dear Mike Adams has taken home over a million dollars a year in pay an benefits and even set up a retirement program for Mrs. Adams. There is too much money floating around, and university presidents have become policitians rather than educators.
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You are spot on!

J-Man

July 12th, 2012
6:38 pm

Heres what should be done shut down the PSU football program for 3-5 years. No Bowl games for 10 years. Have its membership in the Big 10 revoked. Bulldoze the showers where the rapes occured and seal it up with concrete. Pay each victim 10 million dollars. And place Penn St. on 20 years probation.

sam

July 12th, 2012
6:38 pm

Thanks Jeff for taking a strong stance on this. The more I think about this the more I believe the program has to be punished strongly for this. This is absolutely unprecedented. Death Penality? If this doesn’t justify it, then what does?

[...] Death Penalty to Penn State football columns are out by Jen Engel of Fox Sports and Jeff Schultz of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]

Hindu Elvis Pimp

July 12th, 2012
6:42 pm

I did not read the article, but I did read the headline…..Are you suggesting we kill everyone at Penn State?

the sins of my father

July 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

my daddy a dawg fan said joe was a WAP…but commended him because he could “win with white boys”…

Trudith2

July 12th, 2012
6:57 pm

What in world is wrong with this picture? We idolize a pedophile Coach, throw the victims in the gutter, turn the page, walk away, and make Joe Paterno a Frickin’ Saint!!?
All the morons involved in this atrocious crime for decades ad nasuem should be “Hung out to dry!” All of them! Anyone, having a sniff of involvement should be persecuted to the highest level of the top laws of our Land. “HOW DARE THEY!”
Everyone should be thrown under the Bus!
Sandusky should be Castrated, and his penis cut off! He should never be allowed near anyone under the age of 60! AND That should be with a chaperone! This low-life man should be hung by his balls before they cut them off!
Trudith2

J-Man

July 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

The reason ESPN doesnt want the Death Penalty is because of all the Alums that work there and the fact they have that huge Big 12 network contract and it would cost them a ton of money. Look at how NONE of the commentators are even mention or calling for the death penalty.

Hey Jeff look into that seriousy nobody on ESPN has called for the death penalty. I since a conspiracy

pawpawisthebest

July 12th, 2012
7:04 pm

Give me 10 minutes with them SOB’s

Tide Rising

July 12th, 2012
7:05 pm

As a bama fan whose 2nd favorite team is Penn st due to family connections and cousins who graduated from psu I am deeply saddened. Unfortunately Schultz is 100% right on this.

Squartles

July 12th, 2012
7:06 pm

Death penalty is not necessary here…program has cleaned house since the scandal..don’t punish O’Brien and the current athletes…let Sandusky rot, throw the others in jail and erase Paterno’s records during the time of the coverup…that is the appropriate punishment..

puff

July 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

NCAA should confine itself to sniffing out free shoes and leave serious crime to serious people.

For once in a college sports scandal, the guilty parties are the ones who actually will pay. Nobody will slink off to a cushy new job and leave the mess behind. Sandusky in prison for life, Paterno’s vaunted “legacy” revealed as crap, top administrators will do time, be reduced to poverty and live out their lives in shame. All the NCAA can do is pile on and take spiteful vengence on the non-guilty. This is for the criminal and civil legal systems to handle.

Betting the JoePa statue will come down in the middle of the night very soon.

George Stein

July 12th, 2012
7:16 pm

Any NCAA punishment here would be superfluous. The individuals noted in the report are either dead or are being prosecuted. This is, in my opinion, beyond the purview of the NCAA.

FalconFreak

July 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

You’re absolutely right!

5150 UOAD

July 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

The Death Penalty only STOPS the person or team it is imposed on.
The Death Penalty didn’t stop USC with Reggie Bush or Ohio State with tattoos and maybe Auburn with Cam Newton.
The Crimes are horrific but to stop the Football team isn’t going to CHANGE a thing.
We elect the same Crooked Politicians all the time. We keep people with questionalble character in the news and making money all the time too. This is not a PENN STATE issue. This is the American Culture Problem we have been creating for decades now.
Do whatever it takes to get ahead and to hell with the rules until you have to cover it up or go to jail.

kathy

July 12th, 2012
7:43 pm

“Point to the NCAA rule that says you can’t rape kids…” NCAA regulations and bylaws are shot full of the phrase “including, but not limited to…” Did you really think the NCAA would spell out every illegal and morally reprehensibly act an institution, its leaders and students could commit? The “death penalty” is very appropriate, especially for those who insist PSU is more than just football.

Monica Pearson

July 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

I can go from cheerful and smiley to glum in under 2 seconds…..Just watch!

Dawg Tired

July 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

Rational person is John Wayne on this web site trying to prevent the lynching. He’s right, but the crowd is out of control and irrational. This is a heinous criminal matter that has put Coach Sandusky in prison for the rest of his life. Other prosecutions to follow. Plus the civil suits will be astronomical in damages that will be awarded to the victims. The NCAA simply does not have jurisdiction, as I see it. Thankfully, the judicial system is capable of handling all this.

Equating, or comparing this to SMU is asinine.

Dawg Tired

July 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

As for Jeff – He should know better.

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

Dawg Tired -

Amen

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

This doesn’t rise to the necessary level per the NCAA to warrant the death penalty. Period, end of story. Move on.

By the way, if an older woman who likes younger men is a cougar, does that make an older man who likes younger men a Nittnay Lion?

blackprix

July 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

Joe Paterno and his cohorts are to blame for allowing Sandusky to continue to work and be a part of the PSU community! Joe Paterno’s football coaching ability is not being questioned but his leadership and manhood are. HE knew what was going on with this coach and he turned a blind eye MORE THAN ONCE … SHAME ON HIM AND THOSE WHO DID THE SAME.

I doubt the NCAA has much power in all of this as it does not have anything to do with players getting money or breaking NCAA rules.

What this is all about is a crime and University personnel (Paterno and others), doing nothing to stop this crime! The victims were never considered when they turned away from the problem and that’s the SHAME OF IT ALL.

I don’t care what Paterno did for college football, he marred his legacy by taking NO ACTION and allowing Sandusky to continue his abuse of children! No one can change that and Joe and his family with live with that for the rest of their lives.

Falcon phnom

July 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

I say give them the permanent death penalty.

Bjohndawg

July 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

3 years probation of program
no football during those three years
no football fundraising
maintain facilites only

players allowed freedom to transfer to any schools immediately
or to finish at Penn state will all expenses paid
to four year degree

after three years resume program for two years
at half of allowed scholarships and no tv,bowls,championship
after total of five years full reinstatement
as long as no violations during five years previous
hurt them in the wallet but give psu and it’s fans a
path back to football

another one bites the dust

July 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Anyone ever hear about any coaches getting fired for cheating and leaving the new coach and team on probation. What is any different about this situation for all of you saying the current coaches and players shouldn’t be punished. The clowns known as the NCAA should hand down the death penalty pronto!

DawgNole

July 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

SSIgator
July 12th, 2012
12:22 pm

You can see in the picture what JoePa is doing with his right hand, but you can’t see what Sandusky is doing with his own left hand. Any guesses?
______________________

Leave it to a gator to introduce gutter humor to a tragic situation. university of florida followers–always classy.

Steve78

July 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

NCAA sanctions never affect the guilty parties, they are so slow that by the time they act the guilty have moved on, many times to commit the same violations elsewhere. Nonetheless I have to agree that the death penalty is appropriate here. All NCAA schools must get the message that cover ups will not be tolerated. There is no better way to drive that point home than to hammer the school that until recently many thought ran the cleanest program in the country. The present coaches won’t be hurt, they’ll stay or move on as coaches always do, the players will be allowed to transfer without losing eligibility, but the administration and the boosters will learn, if their egos will let them.

P. Bull Terrier

July 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

Go back to sleep, Jeff.

Do you really want to put the NCAA in charge of your safety and your financial welfare? The criminal justice system is designed to punish criminals. The civil court system is designed to settle disputes and compensate for damages. The NCAA is designed to oversee games.

If the NCAA didn’t have rules preventing a recruit’s father from soliciting money from schools, I doubt they have rules about having sex with children in the shower. Everything about the Sandusky scandel is bad, but as far as I can tell, it is way out of the NCAA’s jurisdiction.

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

Fwiw, no NCAA rules were violated. The death penalty isn’t deserved and isn’t going to happen. No find a cause or somewhere else to direct your misguided anger where you have a shot at making a difference.

RGB

July 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

Both the Penn State football program and Sandusky should get the death penalty. Tear down the stadium and turn it into a park dedicated to the victims.

This sickening incident gives a different meaning to “We are Penn State”.

Contractor

July 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

Paterno’s letter that was released is a pathetic excuse for him continuing to point the finger elsewhere and use other accomplishments to sway the eyes of everyone that takes notice of these horrific charges. Paterno not only failed those young boys that will have to live with these awful events, but he also failed a football team, a community, his family, and himself. He was always praised for his ability to raise boys into men, but he did the exact opposite with the lack of ethical morality in his decision making. I have never cared for Paterno, being an SEC fan, too young to follow his greater accomplishments before I was born in 1984, and the fact I can’t stand the Big Ten. This just throws me over the top because it is pathetic that college football has gotten into such a culture where the rape and molestation of young children is hidden in order to preserve the history of a program. Our youth are being blindly led into the future by those wanting the almighty dollar over being ethical. Yank his wins from that point in 2001 and on, and ban him from the College Hall of Fame because he lacked character and moral responsibility. Lord help my kids get through this life without enduring anything close to events such as these.

Dre

July 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

What legacy? He was a bug-eyed retard before, and he died a bug-eyed pedophile enabling retard.

todd grantham

July 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Jeffrey, the only other pieces of your writing that have such passion to me are your articles about your Mother. She would be very proud of your column today.

DawgNole

July 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

rational person
July 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

@erk- Thats fine. I have no problem with that as that is the proper way it should be handled.
____________________

It’s a pretty safe bet that nobody on this blog gives a rat’s azz what you have no problem with. Please spare us any more of your irrational, self-righteous arrogance.

COOPER

July 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

This reminds you of the Catholic Church looking the other way. No where near enough Priest ended up in prison , labeled as sex offenders and Penn State being the good Catholic school it is I’m sure won’t get near what is coming to them. I’m sure the adults who knew what was going on didn’t think it was that bad if their Catholic leader condoned the same behavior. Suck it up kids, be a man this won’t take long.
This type behavior should make every adult who are not a pedophile sick to their stomach.

Yo

July 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

Lets build a statue of paterno and name stadium after him n
Not

Tessa

July 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

Dont make the current players & program suffer the disgrace that others caused??? Folks should be embarrassed, ashamed, and sickened to be associated with Penn. There are other schools… go play there.

Yo

July 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

Lets build a statue after paterno and name the stadium after him notttttttttttttt!

garcia

July 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

This story has a lot of moving parts. I’d like to concentrate on the fact that college football absolutely dominates in many universities of this country. The sickness has perverted higher academics. I agree with your suggestion but I would go further.

1. No PSU football for two seasons. During that suspension period, the university must show institutional changes that effectively minimizes any athletic program’s influence on university administration. Failure to do so would extend the suspension for another year.

2. NCAA to put an expenditure cap on athletic programs. This will level the playing field and possibly reduce the perversions in college politics.

3. Pay athletes. It is time to stop taking advantage of these young athletes that often do not get a real college education.

This country has gone insane with entertainment. There is no worse example of this than college sports. IT is time to get sane.

Was a Dawg...Now a Hokie

July 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

The initial angry reaction to these findings is not surprising and certainly understandable. Cries for Death Penalty make sense on some level. However, I don’t think that the Death Penalty for Penn St. football serves any productive purpose. It does not give those kids their innocence back nor does it wash away the crimes of Sandusky and the few Penn State leaders involved in the cover-up. Yet on the other hand it will destroy the dreams of a lot of other young men and families – and not just that related to the football program. Football funds a great deal of the overall athletic program at a school including the girl’s programs. The SMU Death Penalty absolutely decimated the entire school and NCAA has been on record as having reservations about the decision in retrospect.

Instead of trying to destroy an otherwise fine institution of learning, I think more productive measures could be set up to at once serve as some sort of sanction/punishment, while also serving to benefit others and stop this from happening again.

There is nothing positive at all about giving the Death penalty to a large college football program other than satisfying the angry mob who want blood, while the affects of such an action would have far reaching negative impacts for many many years and many many places other than just the stadium. It just as rash a decision IMO as that of the students rioting on campus after Joe P’s ouster.

Chuck UGA

July 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Nope. This is a criminal matter, not an NCAA rules violation. It would set a precedent that would eventually destroy college football as we know it, and it is a mess in it’s current state. The NCAA has enough power already. Criminal matters are not their jurisdiction, and no doubt a massive lawsuit would erupt that would turn over any such action and reign in their power should they attempt to do such.

ernisTbass

July 12th, 2012
9:52 pm

Can’t help but wonder just where Sandusky’s left hand is located in that there picture

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

DawgNole -

I guess then by your screen name that you are a fan of both schools? In that case I certainly can see how the term Criminole would apply. Don’t forget to kiss your St. Boobie doll goodnight, but don’t hold it too close to you, he was a fan of JoePa.

Waldo

July 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

The NCAA’s rules are in place to ensure that college athletics remain an amateur endeavor. Nothing in the Sandusky case violates this (despite how horrible it was).

SSIgator

July 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

ernisTbass -

Watch out. DawgNole will call you out for that kind of comment, even though it could be that JoePa and Sandusky were “special” friends. I guess we will never know now.

Where are the rioting students now?

July 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

Morons – same crowd that gave us Obama. Just like this situation, after they do the damage then people start to think about what a horrible mistake they made. Shame on all of them. Shame on Penn State. How many victims of this protected pervert never came forward? They are all as guilty as Sandusky is. Football is fun but it is a GAME. What a tragedy.

old school

July 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

And GT had its conference championship yanked away because of a couple of articles of clothing?

DawgNole

July 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

PSU Alum
July 12th, 2012
1:57 pm

So it’s come to this….Calling me names.

Can you see why I dislike it here?
___________________

No. Nor can I see why you would stay here if you dislike it. First you attempt to defend the indefensible. Then you complain about where you live.

Way past time for you to get a life.

Contractor

July 12th, 2012
10:07 pm

Why not penalize the football program? There were coaches involved and higher ups within the university that benefited from football profits, and the program should be punished in order to make sure it doesn’t happen again anywhere else. It is unfortunate for current players and future ones, as there are always casualties to every decision ever made, but if you don’t send a message, no one will ever learn. Money, tradition, and a good name were the only things being saved by the tight lipped service of these individuals, now everything has been ruined and tarnished. Coming out with the issue would have burnt Sandusky, and no one else. It would have made Paterno and the other coach legends for doing the right thing and upholding ethical character. Some of y’all folks need to suck it up and quit acting like softies, because this is serious, and football was the main reason behind this cover up. USC got in trouble for institutional control, albeit paying players and their lavish lifestyles, but I don’t see how that only relates to players, because the coaches and employees as the president are all apart of the institution, not above it, so they are well within the range of getting the school and program penalized.

Bo in North Carolina

July 12th, 2012
10:12 pm

Jeff, welcome back and thanks for the article. Stay with it.
Some are claiming this does not fall under the NCAA’s jurisdiction but could all the penalties handed down by the NCAA pass a litmus test as to the consistency of the NCAA?

Frank Lane

July 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

If I were a competing college, I would cancel my schedule against Penn State in protest.

Ydoes it hurt when I p

July 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

2 year death penalty, give ALL players release to sign and play elsewhere ASAP. Make restitution to families from proceeds of future games go to a relief pot/fund….

Shar

July 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

PSU should not wait to see what the NCAA will do.

They should shut down the program right now, voluntarily. It is the only way to express remorse.

If PSU has not done this by the weekend, the State of Pennsylvania should do it for them.

Don

July 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

You folks who say that no death penalty because it did not affect the football program. Do you really think that the players, coaches, alumni and all did not know about this? then I have some seafront property in Arizona i want to sell you.

Crimsonredscarlet

July 12th, 2012
10:36 pm

I do not know if the NCAA can use any of the current rules to penalize PSU.
I do wonder if the other 11 members of the Big 10 might take some action of their own.
Would you want your school associated with this in any way?
I think that Paterno was 84 when he was fired. If he had been retired at 70,
a new coach would probably not have been so indifferent to the plight of the children.

Bill in VA

July 12th, 2012
10:46 pm

Now that the primary criminal case is completed, it’s time to close down the football program and cool PSU off. A time out, if you will. That will give rest of the big shots time to assemble their legal dream teams to keep their own scared asses out of the state penitentiary!! Maybe that’ll remind PSU that they are a public university and the taxpayers do have a say in what goes on there. They can start the process again, to see if the new administrators seem trustworthy enough to even have a football program at all, let alone D-1.

done

July 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

re: rational person

July 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

To rational person and anyone else who thinks a shutdown of the football program is unwarranted:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8160271/joe-paterno-legacy-penn-state-aftermath-freeh-report

A PSU alum discusses the legitimizing myth behind it all.

Frank Booth

July 12th, 2012
10:53 pm

By not reporting this MONSTER to the proper authorities, Penn State was in fact gaining (or more accurately, not losing) a competitive edge in recruiting. This alone makes it NCAA-worthy. The football program should be gone for 10 years before they are eligible to even APPLY for reinstatement. The people who covered this up and let it continue for so long should not go to jail for perjury – they should go to jail for being accessories to child-rape (and be put on Pennsylvania’s sexual criminal list for life, just like anyone else would – should they ever get out of prison). This has got to be one of the most reprehensible crimes ever commited by a group (yes, it wasn’t JUST Jerry Sandusky) of men. All the naysayers should ask themselves, “Would I leave MY child alone with a known pedophile for even 5 minutes?” My god, where are peoples’ sense of morality in all of this? Just because you have a boat-load of cash (and thus, power) it makes this “not quite as bad” as any other sexual deviate’s crime? Just put the (football) money aside and really think about this for a minute.

RB

July 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Roddy White is proving to be an ignorant individual. His support of Paterno after hearing the facts shows his lack of intelligence. Roddy concentrate on catching footballs more and twittering less.

Peter Wells

July 12th, 2012
11:00 pm

Death penalty – no, but I understand those who say so.

puff

July 12th, 2012
11:02 pm

Since the C in NCAA stands for Corrupt, nothing will be done that takes $ off the table, which shutting down a major program certainly would do.

Popatop

July 12th, 2012
11:06 pm

I agree. Maybe that will send a message about institutional control.

Peter Wells

July 12th, 2012
11:07 pm

to “re: rational person” – thanks for posting. Still do not favor shutting down the program, but I certainly can understand those who do. For sure.

Mike da Tiger

July 12th, 2012
11:18 pm

they can’t shut down the money maker. it pays for title 9 sports etc. plus, the state is on the hook for $500k/month for the investigation. PLUS, the enormous checks they’re going to have to scratch to the victims. plus, they’ve been paying sandusky’s retirement checks all these years. plus, the big 10 is nothing but OSU and Mich so they need another 100k seat stadium in the money making process.

john

July 12th, 2012
11:28 pm

How about press.Iam sure they new about 1998 investigation and they did not report about it at that time,how about those people who investigate him at that time?why they did not do any thing?

Mike da Tiger

July 12th, 2012
11:39 pm

PennSt alum are everywhere and hold high positions with in the media. This was kept hush for years. It was the commonwealth’s little secret. glad you noticed the difference sandusky got in the media vs. a Vick. this story went away for months while every night all you saw was Vick going to court. this is America’s wake up call.

RED DOG 77

July 13th, 2012
12:15 am

Shultz……………Yeseree, we do agree on this one. You my friend hit it right dead center. There is absolutely no way Penn State should ever play another football game in this century. The irony is however, I have always been a BULLDOG………….But as for a team up north, I always sort of liked Penn State………….Not Now………….Good job Shultz…………..RED

Bob Porter Tech '55

July 13th, 2012
12:41 am

Jeff,

A classy and very professional and savvy presentation. You are right on. You are becoming a legendary sports analysis in a class with Bischer. Keep up the good work!!!

Rocky

July 13th, 2012
12:53 am

If all these people at the university don’t like what is happening, why didn’t they come forward? Scared you would lose your job? Who wants a job there after seeing the face of a child being raped in the shower? The sayings go, “What goes around, comes around” and “If you play YOU PAY!

Coming forward might have saved the school and just made the focus stay on the perpetrators! Aren’t football coaches supposed to be tough AND ethical? I am finding out more and more they are not either of those things.

P. Bull Terrier

July 13th, 2012
1:11 am

Using the same illogical logic as those who are demanding the “death penalty” for Penn State football, I have decided to demand that the entire Penn State University be closed immediately. The entire university benefited from the success and accomplishments of the football team, both in financial terms and in reputation, so why limit the punishment to just the football program?

Shouldn’t baseball and softball players suffer the consequences too since they benefited from the money that flowed through the football program?

What about the professors and students? They benefited from the status symbol of a successful BCS football team. Shouldn’t they share the consequences too?

While we’re at it, maybe we should consider closing the whole state of Pennsylvania. Their citizens elected the people who continued to allow the university to operate. Why not punish them?

There is no reason to stop at the Pennsylvania boarder. Why not punish the TV networks who televised Penn State games? Didn’t they benefit from the illusion that Penn State was a reputable football program?

Following the money trail and illogical logic to it’s logical conclusion, shouldn’t Jeff Schultz and the AJC share in the blame and accept an equal share of the punishment?

The people who allowed children to be molested should be judged and punished approptiately in the criminal and cival courts. Asking the NCAA to serve as judge, jury and executioner in matters of child molestation is just as misguided as allowing sports writers to do the same.

Billy

July 13th, 2012
1:12 am

Please take Jerry & Joe’s pictures off. I can’t stand to look at those two ssssssooooooobbbbbbbbb’s

Billy

July 13th, 2012
1:19 am

Thanks @10:49 for link..very well said.

Lewis Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
1:45 am

Another example of American’s over reacting. If you weren’t so prudent this sort of thing would be openly discussed and dealt with in the appropriate fashion. However that isn’t the case in the USA where 50% of all children are mishandled in different levels of abuse…by EVERY institution.As usual Schultz is way off base, choosing to blame the wrong people instead of the culture. Change the culture, change the abusive cycle.

Guest

July 13th, 2012
3:06 am

Not only should the football program be shut down….the entire school should be closed and the buildings razed.

All awards and honors they received revoked. And the name of this rape factory of a school and all those in charge removed from the history books.

If possible, Sandusky and those involved in the cover up should get the real death penalty.

Enough is enough.

Snake Eyes

July 13th, 2012
4:10 am

The reason that this won’t get to the NCAA (National Collegiate ATHLETICS Association) is because this isn’t an ATHLETIC incident. This incident is a criminal one where the NCAAs lack of institutional control clause doesn’t apply here because the athletic program, sans the athletic director and head football coach, wasn’t involved. Jerry Sandusky’s association w/ Penn State is the issue, and how PSU’s senior administrators choosing not to act is the central concern here. In this, they are all complicit in not doing anything. Again, if this was happening with players on the football team at the time and Joe Paterno did nothing to stop it then yes, the program must be shut down. But this isn’t about Penn State football. The ONLY connection Penn State football has to do with this is the athletic director and football coach were involved in the cover up.

The actions of these men shouldn’t be levied against the football program when this is not in the context of a football matter. When people comment (and not just here but in every forum discussing this) that the football program should get the death penalty because a community chose to back Joe Paterno instead of seeing this for what it was, that the senior administrators chose to turn away from the obvious instead of doing the right thing by enabling this predator to continue doing what he was doing on their property. If this had happened with the golf coach or the swim coach (and this is not to deflect any blame from Joe Paterno – he is totally complicit in this yet unable to defend himself obviously) would we be so eager to want to kill the program associated? But because it’s the football program, we’re all eager to kill it because of Joe Pa’s involvement in this. Let’s not be vindictive about this; those that are there now were not involved with this. Even those who were on a football scholarship then didn’t know anything about this. Killing the football program when there is no clear connection or records indicating anyone inside the program other than Joe Paterno and his immediate superior or any direct bearing on the performance of the football team will not do anything. Penn State as a university is the one that’s scarred. Its administrators gave Jerry Sandusky emeritus status where he could use the facilities after he’d “retired” to do what he did.

Just think, though, if Sandusky WAS the one who had succeeded Joe Paterno after Paterno decided to finally retire. If THAT had happened and Sandusky was PSUs head football coach when all this went down, then and only then could I see where the football program deserved to get the death penalty.

Dawg1999

July 13th, 2012
4:11 am

For those stating the current players and coaches had nothing to do with the disgusting actions of Penn States higher ups, it doesn’t matter!!! NCAA hands down sanctions all the time that affects players and coaches today years after the transgressions of previous administrations. The players and coaches would end up at other programs very soon anyway. In the case of Penn State and especially the phoney Paterno, the NCAA does need to hand down the death penalty so as to scare the living hell out of any other institution that would EVER think of concealing anything as serious as this. It is pathetic how previous Penn State alum as well as current students still try to defend the perverted culture that existed there. They’re as sick as Sandusky and his circle. Have to wonder how their perception would be if it had been their child or little brother who was being raped!!!
Sandusky, Paterno and their defenders are/were very sick human beings.

North Ga. Dawg

July 13th, 2012
4:57 am

Great read.
The media needs to embarrass the N.C.A.A. into giving Penn State the death penalty if they don’t have the moral courage to do so on there own.

Buzz2011

July 13th, 2012
5:13 am

Death… No Quarter!!

[...] columnists and reporters (Jeff Schultz, Jen Floyd Engel, George Diaz and Michael Ventry for starters) have argued for Penn State to [...]

Tennis Rodman

July 13th, 2012
6:42 am

Public Hanging is required. I saw DEATH to Penn State.

Buckeye

July 13th, 2012
6:45 am

And Tressel lied about tattoos and was crucified.

JDATL

July 13th, 2012
6:45 am

Very well stated, and I can’t believe mainstream media hasn’t blown this up. I’m so disappointed in my fellow Americans – where’s the protests and marchers now? Those kids on campus should have more morality than this. Sad…

Buckeye

July 13th, 2012
6:46 am

Perhaps the dogs deservie the death penalty for recruiting future felon wannabees.

Fair n Balanced

July 13th, 2012
6:49 am

Death penalty ain’t gonna happen….too much money, jobs etc. but whatever comes after the DP in severity…..it ought to be ratched up a bit and then doubled and then enforced. This is bad, really bad.

Chief Many-ha-has

July 13th, 2012
7:16 am

Right on Jeff! What SMU did pales in comparison to Penn State. Give them the Death Penalty!!!

Jimmy Crack

July 13th, 2012
7:18 am

Jeff, can you put the death penalty on that disgusting above photo of Sandusky in his “heyday”? How about a nice picture of Jerry in handcuffs on his way to prison to meet his new cellmate, Big Raymond?

SuperB

July 13th, 2012
7:18 am

Also, AMEN. Penn State deserves the death penalty. If I were an alum– I’d sue them for “devaluation of my degree.”
Paterno should be burning in Hell, which is where Sandusky will wind up!

Say Whut

July 13th, 2012
7:20 am

it is sickening to listen to “Paterno’s Apologizers.” And listening to Jay Paterno is nauseating.

Jacketman

July 13th, 2012
7:21 am

Disgusting! Remove Paterno’s name and Sandusky’s name from everything having to do with College Football!!! Scumbags both!!!!

Yeti

July 13th, 2012
7:27 am

Buckeye-there is NO CHANCE you are really an Ohio State fan. Real Ohio State fans no to keep their mouths shut when the football conversation turns to corrupt programs, football running a University, and players with no class.

HAL

July 13th, 2012
7:35 am

Now if the press would talk about our wopping national debt in that tone of voice maybe something might get done.

Predictor

July 13th, 2012
7:35 am

Thank God for Penn State. They make the crime factory in Athens look tame by comparison.

Big Green Tribe

July 13th, 2012
7:37 am

Two years suspension of all football at least…possibly three years after that as a non-scholarship Division III program. This university has disgraced itself, its alumni, its supporters and its football program.

Do not feel badly for the players…they can either transfer or remain at Penn State with full scholarships to get their education…which is the whole idea anyhow.

It might be, come to think of it, be a good idea to not permit them to ever play Division I football again; to play as a non-scholarship Division III team.

GFJacket

July 13th, 2012
7:37 am

Buckeye – - with notable players like Art Schlichter and Maurice Clarett, you should not be throwing stones at UGA.

Resident Georgia Fan

July 13th, 2012
7:40 am

If Penn State doesn’t get the death penalty then just what will it take for a school to get it? Killing kids? Death to Penn State football and as I have long said Paterno was a joke. If the old goat had retired at a reasonable point he would have been spared but he had his own sick ego-driven agenda. He got the death penalty in a way. Now it’s the school’s turn.

jeff schultz

July 13th, 2012
7:48 am

Geez I am an idiot. Did I really think Penn State was going to get a fair shake in Atlanta? Did I forget about the 1983 and 1982 Sugarbowls. Did I forget about the Civil War which left Atlanta on fire and Gettysburg. Geez did I really think people would back PSU down here. Hmm maybe im just a tool preaching to the choir.

Are you serious?

July 13th, 2012
7:50 am

You’re an idiot. The death penalty should be in direct response to a program cheating to gain an advantage on the field of play. This has nothing to do with athletics, however it does have everything to do with leadership. The NCAA should come down very hard on this university, not to mention the criminal and civil consequences. But this has 0% to do with the product on the field!!!

The choir

July 13th, 2012
7:54 am

Oh Happy Day. Oh Happy Day. PSU die. We hate you so much. Everybody will pay for a non-football cover up.

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Chris

July 13th, 2012
8:12 am

You people are insane, and so are you Jeff. This is a corruption and coverup by a handful of powerful people at Penn State who should be fired and/or jailed but many of the coaches, the current and past players, fans and alumni had nothing whatsoever to do with it. To kill the program is cutting off your nose to spite your face – and a stupid knee-jerk reaction.

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captguitarman

July 13th, 2012
8:37 am

Whoa, whoa, whoa . . . . slow down there, mister. Now it’s one thing to keep these indentured servants who come in here in line, most of whom have been treated like prima donnas in their high schools that last several years, and are not qualified academically to be in this, or any college or university anyway. Plus, we can’t have them competing financially with the schools and coaching staffs, and many other financially interested parties. Hey, if these kids start getting a cut of the cost of the posters we sell with their photos on them, that means just that much less for us, and that is just one very small example, but you get the picture. We got to keep them in line.

But, it is entirely another thing for you to go blasting your mouth about holding the plantation responsible and my God, man, threatening the death penalty for something the school’s leadership did. This only applies to misbehavior by the indentured servants and their agents, etc. Not to us. Yes, it can appear on the surface that enabling a sexual abuser to run wild on our campus for years is far more important than servant getting money from an agent or alumni or selling his game jerseys, etc. but that is just one perspective. Please note the above. We have got a major, multi-billion dollar business enterprise going on nationally. Just think of what would happen if Penn State got something like the death penalty — the economic ripple effect would be enormous for the entire state. So jest hesh up about holding massa’s up in the plantations accountable for anything, even if it is entirely justifiable.

Now all we’ve got to do is create some connection for all of this to misbehavior by the indentured servants and then work out a suspension or something for a couple of years.

William Casey

July 13th, 2012
8:41 am

I believe that the fact that Penn State has prided itself for forty years as being a University that did college football “the right way” had a lot to do with the decision to cover this up. College football coaches of long tenure achieve iconic stature and enormous power. He had no peers, none to tell him, “Hey, Joe, YOU have to do something about this right now.” I’m fairly certain that Coach Paterno psyched himself into believing that “this isn’t happening.” In all probability, he simply wanted this to go away. I’m not at all defending Joe Paterno. I’m simply trying to understand how this could happen.

With all that being said, I have a more appropriate punishment thn the “Death Penalty.” Since enormous amounts of money were at the root of this, don’t allow Penn State to make any money off football for five years…. gate receipts, TV, bowls, etc.. All of this money should go into a pool for the victims which they can access without the agony of law suits. This wouldn’t be JUSTICE but it would help the victims.

dmr

July 13th, 2012
8:54 am

I agree. Here’s how I would play it. Penn State has an endowment worth over $1.7 billion dollars. The football program posted a profit of $50 million dollars in 2011. Because this is a public University, depending on how this is structured, the PUBLIC could get left holding the bag. So here is how I would structure the deal.

The current coaching staff and players had nothing to do with this I grant you. Therefore, Penn State will be allowed to play football for the next 4 seasons. ALL football profits should be set aside to pay the massive civil claims that are coming down the pike. And believe me, I think each victim should get about $50 million. Student athletes will not be recruited to play for the next three years as the program will be shut down. This will give the innocent coaches and athletes a chance to play and/or move on with no penalty. If the program cannot be sustained in this way, everyone is free to leave or close down sooner.

The University will then be left without football for a period of one (1) year or 1 full season. Then the University can choose to reinstate the program.

If this seems long, drawn out, and harsh, then you only need to think about the instances when these children were being violently violated. You only need think about the 14+ year cover up. You only need think about how the people who ran this program violated the law. You only need think about how these young men will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

Should I feel sorry for Penn State or Its fans if they lose football? Maybe. But before I cry you a river, why not let someone do to you or someone you love what was done to these kids and then get back to me.

Santo Rizzo

July 13th, 2012
8:57 am

The death penalty would in effect be sweeping this under the rug. Make Penn State football a powerful marketing tool. Paint the stadium black. Have kids impacted by abuse design the uniforms. Boise State the field.

Make as many people uncomfortable every Saturday that they need to turn Uncle Jerry in even though it will hurt grandma. The one in 5 (or one in 8 depending on where you look) kids impacted by abuse deserve this. People forget that this is usually done by a family member.

rcb

July 13th, 2012
9:09 am

Rule #1-Pedofiles are bad. Rule #2- don’t throw rocks if you live in a glass house. How many glass houses are there? How many does Penn St. know about? Now make your bets.

dhutch113

July 13th, 2012
9:10 am

For those who say “the NCAA can’t hold Penn State liable, it’s a criminal manner”…this wasn’t Jo Pa covering up his pedophile, crazy uncle, Larry at a family reunion. This is Jo Pa and others representing PSU, covering up a crime on the campus of PSU, by an employee of PSU. Can you see the tie in??? If I do something like that under the auspices of my employer, then my employer is without a doubt also liable. Don’t believe me, just check the civil court dockets and see how many people AND their employers get lumped together in a lawsuit. PSU institutionalized the events by their knowledge and inaction. Far worse than any NCAA scandal I can think of. SMU got the death penalty because money and gifts exchanged hands. Where does child sexx abuse rank against illegal gifts? have we lost our humanity that football means more than a human being’s welfare? Step up, accept responsibility and work to make things better!
They should be forced to rename Penn State to Ped State. You earned it PSU.

ga4boats

July 13th, 2012
9:13 am

Schultz – the first time I ever have agreed with something you have written.

Bill Gullion

July 13th, 2012
9:23 am

It’s alway SMU. Why don’t you guys ever mention that the University of Kentucky basketball team was banned by the NCAA and could not play any games during the 1952-53 season? Some Wildcat players had been found guilty of shaving points in games in previous seasons. It resulted in a signifcant income loss to KU and certainly deflated the school’s pride in its program..

Shark Punch!

July 13th, 2012
9:34 am

I’m curious if the “burn PSU to the ground” yahoos would apply the same zealous vitriol to you local boy Michael Vick. Because by that logic, we should get rid of all professional sports in Atlanta and do a retake of Sherman, just to make an example for everybody else. And save the argument that animal cruelty less of an atrocity than pedophilia.

Tommie

July 13th, 2012
9:36 am

Wrong. The college athletes that perform in the class room and on the field should not be punished because admin idiots failed. Do you really think hurting the students and athletes at Penn State will solve the problem? Of course not. I’m sure you are real popular today Jeff by making your “shoot Penn State” claim today. Do you think the 40,000 students should be black-balled from getting jobs when they graduate. You are an idiot!

gt4ever

July 13th, 2012
9:42 am

@Tommie

Your the IDIOT pal…. This program should go down… Period!

jimmyraybillybob

July 13th, 2012
9:43 am

I agree. For those that don’t feel the same way; would your feelings be different if your child were one of the victims? Don’t kid yourself. If your child were one of the victims I’ll bet you’d feel such an anger an outrage that even the death penalty for the program would not change the fact that your child had been harmed and forever changed. It’s sad to think that Joe Pa was far more concerned about his and the schools “image” the safety of children. Despicable.

Jean

July 13th, 2012
9:44 am

What violations were commited by the Penn State football program. Yes is is sad for for the kids and their lives will be changed. Joe was a great Collegiate football coach and his record belongs to him. THese are two separate issues.

Joe

July 13th, 2012
9:46 am

If they covered this up, wonder what else they covered up?

Not sure about Death Penalty for the football program. I can see both sides. Perhaps a compromise is to take down Paterno’s statute, Penn State to give each kid that was hurt a million bucks, and throw the rest of the Penn State administration that did this in jail for the rest of their lives.

John Daly

July 13th, 2012
9:48 am

Either the death penalty or they have to change the name of the school to P(enis) State.

gt4ever

July 13th, 2012
9:50 am

@Jean….

GOOD GRIEF! Your “great” head coach should have been put in JAIL… He was part of the cover up… Paterno WAS the football program…. I mean how ignorant are you people…? I’m sure that if it was one of your kids, your thinking might be different… and for your information the violation is thinking that FOOTBALL and the University is MORE important than protecting ABUSED kids is enough to shut it down for GOOD! I mean are you really that ignorant or insensitive… ?

Romelus42

July 13th, 2012
9:51 am

Didn`t Dez Bryant have to sit out for an ENTIRE year (the last year of his college career) for eating dinner at Deon Sanders home!!!!!! Penn State needs the DEATH PENALTY for at least 2 years!!!

Jean

July 13th, 2012
9:53 am

When is enough? Okay, Joe missed some and he will have to answer for these allegations. The kids lives will be changed and probablly this will be a wake up call for the morals in American. A country where Gay marriages is believed to be okay and followed, get real and watch your kids.

Don't be idiots!

July 13th, 2012
9:55 am

You people that are bellyaching about how the rest of the school shouldn’t be punished for the crimes of a few in leadership are forgetting who the REAL victims are. Further, as “bright” as Paterno was supposed to have been, why was he so STUPID to think that chld rape taking place in school facilities would not come back to harm the so-called prestige of the school? Was he STUPID enough to believe that the acts would forever remain a secret? Did he think that he’d be dead long before the stories would leak out? Really?

If the school goes down in flames, it is administrators like PATERNO, SANDUSKY, and others that all contributed to its demise. Stop whining that the students and other staff people shouldn’t be punished. It’s the students and other staff people that should be inlfamed THE MOST at what PATERNO, SANDUSKY, and other administrators have done to ruin the school all on their own. They each should have thought about the REAL consequences of their criminal acts rather than trying to present a facade that they are so great. I don’t see how these people slept at night. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water? Ha! Too late, because that’s EXACTLY what PATERNO, SANDUSKY, and the other administrators ALREADY did. Hope it was worth the price they and the school are ALL paying for it now.

Jean

July 13th, 2012
9:57 am

I understand your feelings about abusing kids and what does that have to do with football program. Get real everything that goes on bad has to do with sports programs. The football team did not the wrong it was the coaches.

gt4ever

July 13th, 2012
9:59 am

OK Jean I give up. I guess the coaches are not part of the team. It’s NO wonder this country is totally screwed….

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Enough is enough. Rehabilitation of the kids is the most important issue here. Stop whining about Penn State and their great football program. They must have beaten the mess out of your team. Joe was a great coach and that is the truth. Stop blaming sports for everything that goes bad.

Chris

July 13th, 2012
10:05 am

I disagree. This act and coverup are equally as despicable and the victims are the only people that matter at this point, no one can disagree with that. However cancelling the football program for several years is nothing more than an agenda against a team many people don’t like. If this happened at Arizona St. or some other school without a huge media presence and a falsely idolized coach the outrage would not be at this same level. The school’s leadership, players, and coaches associated with Penn St. now had nothing to do with it ( except for Larry Johnson Sr. who is on the new staff as well). Plus you don’t only penalize the football team, you penalize the baseball, swimming, golf, soccer, etc… teams that football funds. You would destroy the entire school, so the surrounding community that needs the revenue, population, and infrastructure that Penn St. drives is hurt too. At some point you need to just let the healing begin.

Mike

July 13th, 2012
10:05 am

I am not going to speculate on what the NCAA will do, but I would like to see the BIG 10 take action and remove Penn State from the conference.

dawg fan

July 13th, 2012
10:07 am

on the surface it looks like a football scandal but this is not. it is a scandal that primarily involved football coaches. the plan was not “lets cover this up to keep recruiting” but rather “lets cover this up to not go to jail and make the university look bad” (See UGA prostitution professor who for some reason was allowed to keep his job because he threatened to sue (another issue another day)

Yes PSU did continue to thrive in football because its longtime coaches were still there and there was no shake up. However, its not like PSU got any better. i cannot stand Penn State, however, punishing the football program is not relevant here. You don’t close down applebees because some of the waiters stole credit card numbers and cover it up, you arrest the culprits and clean house. same thing with PSU.

A great coach?

July 13th, 2012
10:07 am

Seriously? A coach that condones child rape on his watch is NOT great. There are way more important things in life than winning games. CHARACTER, being LAW-ABIDING, just to name a few.

dawgfan75

July 13th, 2012
10:08 am

rational person
For a rational person you sure are dumb.

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:08 am

dawg fan well put.

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:09 am

Great football coach. Bad in morals

Scott Gerard

July 13th, 2012
10:10 am

Most FRIGHTENING part of the report is what’s been left out …
What the heck happened from 2001 through 2008??
In 2001 (or soonafter) Penn State GRANTED (well, sold for a song) land to Second Mile and permanent access for Sandusky. This is the period where Sandusky was more than aided and abetted. He was LAUDED for his behavior – which was keeping his mouth shut and “promising” not to do it again.
AS for the NCAA ruling and there NOT being something about it in writing — apply the general concepts of comportment and the like which ARE part of the NCAA rules.
And the students and football team are Not to blame? REALLY? Isn’t their “worship” of this man and program (their word, not mine) the very thing that allowed this to happen? We’re to get an education at a college, not focus our attention and our core selves to a game of BALL. You want to hold someone in high esteem? How ’bout those who do NOT bash their heads against each other repeatedly, daily, for years?

dawgfan75

July 13th, 2012
10:14 am

This mess is due to the sports culture at PSU. Paterno may have been the lead rat but it appears to be pervasive throughout the system. I say dismantle the entire sports department for at least five years. If the NCAA does not do anything substantial they are condoning this and should be dismantled, too.

Nittany Slime

July 13th, 2012
10:15 am

@Shark Punch…are you serious? Are you suggesting that animal cruelty is equal to pedophilia? That what MVick did is no different than what Sandusky has been convicted of?

Dirty Dawg

July 13th, 2012
10:18 am

The…’WE ARE…PENN STATE’…cheer will have a whole new meaning from now on…assuming they have someplace to use it. If the state of Pennsylvania is embarrassed enough, they’ll make a few more ‘walk the plank’. And one more thing, that NC they won back in ‘81 or something, should be forfeited and passed along to the team they, lucked out, to beat…heh, heh, heh.

Sandusky put PSU where it is today...

July 13th, 2012
10:21 am

It is the LAW that school educators are required to report seen or suspected child abuse. THE LAW. The one good thing about America is that our laws take the protection of children very seriously. If it was YOUR child that was being raped on the PSU campus, wouldn’t you want witnesses to come forward, call 911? Wouldn’t you want school personnel to follow the law and report it? Or would you rather let school administrators do a cover up to keep up the ‘good reputation’?

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:24 am

Scott you must have been kicked off a football team or just cant play. Get real the players are not to blame it was the coaches. I guess your reasoning is guilt by association. If a student or professor get caught doing something illegal at the college then all students who associate with that student or professor should be liable.

Robert Whitley

July 13th, 2012
10:24 am

I agree with Jeff Schultz that Penn State deserves the “death penalty”. What Penn State’s four top officials did was much worse than what was done at Southern Methodist University when that school received the “death penalty”.

gt4ever

July 13th, 2012
10:28 am

@never give up…

If the coaches had been caught paying certain players to play ball for Penn State, would not this require the NCAA to sanction the football team as a whole… Even though your flawed and moronic logic suggests that it wasn’t all the football players involved in the pay off.. I mean come on, GET A GRIP!

Mateo

July 13th, 2012
10:29 am

Just to be clear, those defending Penn State are defending child rape. It’s a game people! They covered it up because of greed and could give two cr@ps about the kids. I love the comment about the “stone throwers”. To paraphrase, those who have not raped a child may cast the first stone. I really hope that applies to all of the commentators on this blog.

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:33 am

gt4ever. Seems you are mistaken with your logic. The first part of your suggestion is a violation of NCAA rules but you have no basis for suggestion of payoff to players. Don’t punish the kids as maybe you are afraid and jealous of the football team and Penn State academic program. Put apples together and put ornages together. What Joe and Jerry did was their issue and not the football players.

BillS

July 13th, 2012
10:34 am

Paterno was a good football coach, but he failed in the much more important parts of life and is now, properly, disgraced for all time. This report is utterly damning: Paterno and other PSU administrators knew of what Sandusky was doing and continually covered it up for fear it could damage the football reputation. That’s not my paraphrase, that’s what the report said. There is no excusing it or minimizing. It is shameful, and PSU must pay a serious price for its deliberate oversight.

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:34 am

Never Give Up

July 13th, 2012
10:36 am

Let it go. I am finished, Dont punish the football team. I am not a Penn State fan by way either.

Gator Mike

July 13th, 2012
10:36 am

I agree; however, the NCAA has no ##lls. The PSU scandal is the worst ever, but the NCAA did very little to Miami and Ohio State recently. They will find a way to weasel out of the PSU situation.

Tim

July 13th, 2012
10:42 am

How about an article in uga football and it’s demise and crash landing. you went on hiatus when the crowell bomb dropped. how many starters are now out of the first few games? like 6? that is so embarassing but ajc writers just ignore it.

Roll Turd

July 13th, 2012
10:44 am

Abolish the football program….permanently…this is a zero tolerance case if there ever was one….!!!

The NCAA’s credibility is hanging in the balance with this issue….and anything less than a total & permanent ban on football at this college will be viewed as another example of NCAA incompetence.

Jan Kemp Was Right

July 13th, 2012
10:46 am

For those that say this was not a football issue, do you really think there would have been a cover up if the culprit sodomizing a little boy in the showers on the PSU campus had been a liberal arts professor?

IceColdATLien

July 13th, 2012
10:51 am

Why not shut down Penn St altogether? We should tie each student to a pole and flog them. All of the professors should be pistol-whipped. All alumni should serve 100 hours of community service for each degree earned. The maintenance and administrative staff should be forced into hard labor for ten years in a Siberian prison. The campus should be used for military artillery practice. All neighborhoods within a one-mile radius of the campus should be razed. In fact, I think the whole state of Pennsylvania should be kicked out of the union.

You people are morons. Punish those responsible with the jail time, public hatred, and generally ruined lives that they will all endure. It makes no sense to punish an entire school and everyone associated with it, students (current and future) included. This heinous work came from the acts of just a few of the worst men I can conceive of, punish them till the cows come home…. but let the rest of the University try to heal and move forward.

By the way, I’ve never even been to Pennsylvania, much less be a PSU fan. I’m from Augusta, went to school in the ATL, but this “death penalty” talk is nonsense and really illogical.

leigh

July 13th, 2012
10:52 am

Ya know, there is a kind of “Nixon” quality to Paterno…

“I’m not a crook!” No Joe, that was Dick’s problem, but you were an accomplice….

Off with PSU’s football head!!!!

dealarue

July 13th, 2012
10:55 am

I agree except we did not insist that the Catholic Church be shut down in the USA when their pedofile Priests were taken to account. Should we really shut down Penn State football because of the wrong doing…or should it be better to hold everyone associated with the coverup to account. I think that College Football needs to learn it has values and we as a society need to make sure that all who believe wrong doing is OK are punished for that belief. No, Penn State Football itself is no more guilty than the Pope and the Catholic Church. Lets not destroy the hopes and dreams of the students at Penn State because we as a society failed to see wrong doing sooner.

texans ticket

July 13th, 2012
11:02 am

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GFJacket

July 13th, 2012
11:04 am

The death penalty recommendation is not aimed at Penn State academics, but at Penn State athletics – - in this case football. PSU had allowed football to become so powerful that it created a culture such that criminal activity with young victims was overlooked and swept under the rug to avoid embarassing the coach and the football program. Victory with honor used to be PSU’s mantra – - the Penn State way.
What will PSU alums answer now when they are asked about the “Penn State way”?

splendid splinter

July 13th, 2012
11:06 am

Schultz – Congratulations. That was THE most powerful article you have ever written. You make a compelling case. One that cannot be ignored except by those who only have blinders on about one bias or another. You convinced me that you are correct in your assesment. This has to be done. It is up to those in authority to stand up to the moral outrage. The morality of it trumps everything else.

SOLOS

July 13th, 2012
11:06 am

NCAA President Mark Emmert’s letter to Ped State from Nov. ‘11:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/ncaa+statement

jerry sandusky

July 13th, 2012
11:07 am

It’s somewhat difficult to write from where I am, but I just want to express my thanks and appreciation to JoePa, my friend of 30 years, for allowing me to pursue my interests all these years without any pesky interference.
Joe, I couldn’t have done it without you.

Ty

July 13th, 2012
11:09 am

Um it will punish the school you idiot and one of their major sources of income. That is the problem here. These high acting officials including the president of the school failed to take action. The school needs to be punished for this. This is not a oh we’ll do whatever we can to prevent this again situation. The school needs to feel the wrath these kids felt!

drbenz

July 13th, 2012
11:18 am

death penalty and let all their football players transfer with out having to sit out a year… wouldnt that be an interesting free for all to watch…lol.

Peanut gallery

July 13th, 2012
11:18 am

If Penn State does not receive a MUCH harsher penalty than SMU from the NCAA then it will finally be revealed for the hypocritical organization that it professes not to be.

SMU was shut down because school administrators were giving cash under the table to football players.

Now you have Penn State where high-level school administrators and the head football coach engaged in a cover-up of felony child molestation and rape?

Penn State defenders need to have their moral compass reexamined.

garcia

July 13th, 2012
11:26 am

This is about who (or what) ultimately controls a univeristy. PSU was under Paterno’s thumb. There may have been titular “superiors” but everyone knows that Paterno was “The Man.”

This is an opportunity to do the right thing. PSU’s academic wing has the opening to seize control of their university. Forget the entertainment, the school must be about the students and the research to benefit mankind.

Suspend the football program for two years. Release all their players from any obligations, allow them an extra year of elligibility AND give them all a free year of schooling. This is what the university should do on its own. If they really want to go the distance, they should consider term limits for football coaches. A guy like Paterno should have been dismissed years ago. We see the sort of damage a lifetime appointee can have on even a large institution.

garcia

July 13th, 2012
11:29 am

I should have stated that the root cause of all of this is about who (or what) controls a university. If Paterno’s political machine had not been so powerful, Sandusky would have been behind bars years ago.

done

July 13th, 2012
11:36 am

Is anyone facing prosecution? both of my attackers got off scott free, when I the called the Houston county sheriffs to report, whomever answered the phone told me it could not have happened ????????
I was a little boy and one of the two offenders was a school teacher, This SH!T must occur all the time. cue Dexter

Confused

July 13th, 2012
11:38 am

Jeff why does the Assistant Coach Mike McQueary get a free pass on all this???? How hot a place in hell would people say Coach Paterno deserved if he had witnessed the sodomozing of a 12 yr. old boy in the Penn State locker room and then walk off doing nothing but calling his Daddy and getting up the next morning and calling his direct report???? How does Coach McQueary NOT go into that shower room with a helmet in his hand and save that child??? Think for a moment if he had done just that…..6-7 future victims would have been saved…Coach Paterno and Penn State would have survived and he would have been acclaimed a hero.
Sad but true…the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who when faced with evil do nothing. As a postscript, I read Coach McQueary’s Grand Jury testimony in it’s graphic detail i.e. “slapping noises (etc.)” That is NOT what he told Coach Paterno AFTER he walked off on a Friday night, called his Daddy and then shared with Coach Paterno on Saturday morning that he thought he saw something “inappropriate” in the locker room between Sandusky and a boy. Coach Paterno said he wished he had “done more.” There’s enough blame to go around but for the life of me I do not get why nobody in the Media talks about McQueary’s behavior…..;

Carolina DAWG

July 13th, 2012
11:40 am

Well Said my friend and you HIT IT OUT OF PARK!!!!!
If this isn’t the Death Penalty then just shut down the whole Damn NCAA Football Programs

smokehouse

July 13th, 2012
11:50 am

You’re one sick writer. I hope you realize that what crap you say means nothing to the NCAA or Penn State. Go peddle you’re hate somewhere else.

Wilbo

July 13th, 2012
11:51 am

Send in HazMat. Clean out as much of the toxic materiel from the labs as quickly as possible. Burn Penn State to the ground. Bulldoze it flat. Plant grass & trees, and make what used to be the Penn State campus a state park.

wardenerd

July 13th, 2012
11:55 am

The quarterback takes money and the whole school is put on probation for lack of institutional control. In this case the institution had too much control and too much confidence in the management team. Paterno obviously ran the show if the president fely obliged to get his blessing before going to the police. Jay Paterno needs mental help.

dawgs1966

July 13th, 2012
11:55 am

Don’t you just love how righteous Jeff is while in his own back yard trustees are openly having affairs with coaches and hauling young female athlete students around in private jets. Get off the bandwagon and do something proactively.

wardenerd

July 13th, 2012
12:00 pm

when SMU got the death penalty they did the following. They established a slush fund and entered agreements contrctually to pay them under the table. The NCAA caight them and slapped their hand and said don’t do it again. he next year yjey felt obligated to continue paying players they promised money too. When the NCAA caught them a second time they gave them the death penalty. It would be a grim but great reminder to see Beaver Stadium abandoned . It is in the heart of the campus but it is not going to happen. It could cause the major powers to abandon the NCAA like they hasve threatened to in the past.

promethius

July 13th, 2012
12:01 pm

How’s about shutting down the Catholic Church!

Chris

July 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

Hey Rational Person…You must be a Pedophile too, if you can not understand the NCAA rule of “Lack of Institutional Control”. If you DO understand it, and still trying toget PennState off from its responsibility, then you support pedophilism

jeffrey dumbutt schultz

July 13th, 2012
12:20 pm

PSU will endure. PSU will win. PSU will beat GA TECH and Georgia in the future.

Now shut you inbred redneck pie holes.

Marco Pillow

July 13th, 2012
12:22 pm

I totally agree Jeff. Casrate Sandusky and let the victims families stone him to death!

Ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:28 pm

This is a very sad and emotional story, but the NCAA has no grounds in this matter. If they did, Penn St. does not qualify for the death penalty. There has to be repeated NCAA rule infractions within a certain time period. There were no NCAA rule infractions.
Everyone that was involved with the Penn St. cover up no longer is employed by Penn St. Why punish an institution, just for the sake of punishing it?

jerry sandusky

July 13th, 2012
12:29 pm

jeffrey dumbutt-
Thanks for your support. It gets lonely in here. I am so proud of you.
You are Penn State!

Utah Dawg

July 13th, 2012
12:45 pm

A heinous crime and violation of basic human values…may Jerry rot in hell and long with Joe as far as I am concerned. My heart goes out to the victims. That said…this is a criminal and civil matter. All individuals even remotely involved should be purged from the University and then face prosecution if appropriate. Unlike the SMU situation and other violation that resulted in some sort of punishment to the program, the acts were related directly to the football itself gaining some type of advantage. Unless there is a specific provision in NCAA rules could be applied in this situation, the program should not be punished.

Joinamerica

July 13th, 2012
12:46 pm

The crimes were terrible. But what real good will come from what Schultz is suggesting? I see many thousands of totally innocent people having their lives damaged, and not one ounce of good being gained, by those who were hurt by Sandusky and the powers at PSU. In fact, a massive punishment etc, will just keep the nightmare alive, in the news and in our national consciousness, for that much longer. I believe that at this point, no one, who is sane, will ever look away or cover up, again. I also believe, that whereas, nothing can outweigh the damage that was done to these children, college sports is indeed, an important and positive force in the lives of many thousands of young Americans, never mind the money, and sometimes, a life saver, for some young people. What is the real bottom line here? What are we trying to accomplish?

zbulldawg

July 13th, 2012
1:26 pm

I agree totally ! This is the worst of the worst EVER. Our youth is our future. Their league should kick them out NOW. When they come up with the date of the knowledge of this Horrible crime they start taking wins , championships ETC. away from Penn St. There is no school or coach about our children ! THIS NOT ACCEPTABLE NOW THEN or EVER !! Plain & simple PERIOD !The death penalty too minor for this offense ! Revenge is not the issue here. But JUST doing the right thing for all to see & acknoledge THIS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED EVER !! God bless these children & their families ! The HELL with the REST of you who think different. An eye for an eye !!!

chattajacket

July 13th, 2012
1:35 pm

And congrats to UGA for landing not one, but two different UGA sports on the list of worst scandals ever.

RTR22

July 13th, 2012
1:35 pm

Sandusky is one creepy looking guy, Death penalty for PSU, not a chance for many reasons IMO.

bulldog steve

July 13th, 2012
1:38 pm

Chattajacket, Tech did not get on the list because they are irrelevant.

Cowboy

July 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

What ever the penalty is here, will pale in comparison to the penalty (Later) for those who enabled this to happen to those children.

Read Luke: 17:2

[...] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jeff Schultz: “To hell with a free Camaro. We’re talking about sweeping allegations of a child sex offender under the rug in order to protect a school’s image, fundraising and recruiting. There is no more extreme example of a lack of institutional control. Penn State deserves to be hit hard. That may seem unfair to the student-athletes, officials and fans who knew nothing of Sandusky’s acts or the cover-up. But that’s the case with all NCAA sanctions.” [...]

pbt Dawg Fan

July 13th, 2012
2:30 pm

When will we let Penn State start the healing process. I’am sure that the students(present and incoming), teachers, fans , players and coaches, are all struggle with this. These people are receiving the worst punshiment that they can recieve,because the can represent their University proudly at the moment. If you suspend football, you only will make things worst. Please let the players play and let the coaches coach. I know Penn State will be booed every where they go, But i think the General public needs to allow Penn State to start recovering from the Pain the was cause by Jerry Sandusdy, Joe Paterno and others

TenaciousDx

July 13th, 2012
2:33 pm

It is not the act that is PSU’s issue. It is the coverup. Paterno and others used their influence to protect the university and its footbal program. This is the worst offense ever comitted by an NCAA member instituion. If this does not call for the end of the football program, nothing ever will.

moody

July 13th, 2012
2:34 pm

FOR HOW MANY DECADES DID SANDUCKY COMMIT THESE ACTS, I DOUBT IT ONLY HAPPEN DURING THE PAST 10-12 YEARS ONLY.HIS WIFE AND PENN MUST HAVE KNOWN THIS BUT DID NOTHING, THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUNISHED AND PROSECUTED.SO MUCH GLORIFICATION FOR FOOTBALL FOR WHAT, BECAUSE OF MONEY AND PRESTIGE. KILL THE TEAM.

Blackberry Cobbler

July 13th, 2012
2:37 pm

JS–

You’re a moron. Dealth penalty? Really?

What NCAA violation did the FOOTBALL PROGRAM commit?

Yes, what Sandusky did was horrible and equally so, the folks including Paterno that covered it up. But this has nothing to do with football or the football program.

These are criminal acts but nothing to do with football. Put Sandusky and all the Penn State officials in the coverup in jail.

But leave football alone.

Skeezix

July 13th, 2012
2:40 pm

Our society has placed athletics on too high a pedestal and it has distorted and corrupted colleges coaches/administrators, students/athletes and the core values of so many academic institutions. Penn. State is a very, very sad example of how far upside down the priorities are. I suspect that, as events were unfolding, all those in the chain of command didn’t even see anything wrong (much less anything criminal) with the decisions and actions they took with regard to this matter.

[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

bubba

July 13th, 2012
3:03 pm

It is greed. Coverups are in our government (Holder), office affairs, prisons, and especially greedy state and federal legislators. Morals and character are thrown out the door. People in business are scamming the government everywhere. Government officials and employees are forced to allow it, or cringe to report it. Cheaters are lawyers, farmers, politicians, judges, construction companies, and free medical and food stamps. Name me something, where they are cheating and/or covering up?

Will

July 13th, 2012
3:14 pm

You people r so dumb to even think that man would cover that sh*t up make me understand why they say sounthernpeople r closed minded.readed the damn report, there no facts behind it the guy just wants to make a name for him self and joe pa is the big fish in all this. None of it is fact based when they say he coved it up it’s worded we came to….. Hint they added what they wanted to it. I read some it or what was leaked THE OLNY fact they have is he told his boss what he was told! Point blank chill out

Raiderbeater

July 13th, 2012
3:17 pm

As a big time college sports fan and UGA season ticket holder I agree. Football is a fun game…..but it’s a game. These men put peoples lives at stake to save face BECAUSE of the football coach and the team he represented. NO MORE FOOTBALL FOR PENN STATE!

Raiderbeater

July 13th, 2012
3:19 pm

Blackberry Cobller,

The kids will be allowed to transfer if they wish with eligibility. They aren’t planning on punishing the kids/players. The football team has to go. If you don;t understand why you need to step back and evaluate yourself. Consequences happen….this is major.

ol' balls coach

July 13th, 2012
3:19 pm

Agree completely. Well written. It is a sad that anyone would still stand in support of the Penn State football program in light of the evidence and the human tragedy. The University should kill the program themselves for 10 years. And if they do not, then the NCAA should.

Bracey Campbell

July 13th, 2012
3:25 pm

It is sad that Coach Paterno died before he could be held accountable for the never ending grief he allowed to be inflicted on numerous boys by a key member of his football state. The death penalty for the Penn State football program is more than justified. The highly regarded Paterno obviously knew all about the damnable things his assistant was doing….but, he turned the other cheek.

chuck

July 13th, 2012
3:39 pm

Why stop with the death penalty for football? Why not shut down the whole university, since the coverup went all the way to the top/

atlgator5220

July 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

I’ve read the comments here in addition to your post. This is one that will need some time to think through, punishment wise.

First, the NCAA can take action that is not quite as severe as the death penalty, and does it in concert with PSU. Vacating wins for JoePa and the team going back to 1998. Titles, bowl wins, etc. All symbolic, I know.

Death penalty? Here is the issue with that – not just football program. Loss of revenue affects all sports, from girls golf to men’s cross country. So you impact athletes far removed from football.

Community? This isn’t Atlanta or Tampa, where the loss of revenue around GaTech or USF would not be as severe. In Happy Valley, the death penalty for football probably means the death penalty for hotel owners, restaurants, parking lot owners, you name it. My guess is the community gets hammered not only for the “death” year or years, but for the 2-5 years after that too. Do they deserve the fate of the football program?

Unfortunately, money is only one solution. Have PSU payout not only for the victims, but for a center – not run by it – that counsels child rape victims.

Removing all references to JoePa is part of the deal too.

Hamstring the Football program – in some way.

Once I got past my own belief of “death penalty” I realized the punishment phase of this will be very very complex, and others should as well.

leftyga

July 13th, 2012
3:51 pm

I can’t believe what Yor are saying Jeff! To give the Death Penalty is not the answer. The NCAA does not have the POWER to make such a call. The Culprits here are the Leaders not the students for Pete’s sake! Fire the leaders but leave the students who are innicent alone. I think I’m thru reading your comments any more Jeff. What an Idiot Statement by you !
Go Dawgs,
Lefty from South Georgia

Brent

July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm

I agree the death penalty is appropriate for the PSU football program in this case. Ironically, this was not a result of a “lack of institutional control”; the institution in question was ABSOLUTELY in control of the situation, which is why it was kept a secret for so long.

NJT

July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm

If the NCAA refuses to step up, then all college teams should refuse to play in a stadium that has a statue of Joe Paterno standing in front of it. Reduce the number of Penn State home games to zero, even if it means a forfeit by the visiting team. This situation is far beyond the scope of any previous misdeed by a college football program.

leftyga

July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm

What an Idiot statement . I’m thru with you Jeff. Yeah penalize the kids to get to the Leadership who are responsible ; you make no sense. bye

bamaguy

July 13th, 2012
4:02 pm

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

The “kids” always get punished for the actions of coaches and boosters. Any team penalized by the NCAA, given the length of most investigations, is composed of guys not even in school when the infractions took place. That’s the way it works. The guys on the current Penn State team are no more victims than those on the current USC team who were not around when Reggie Bush and his family were getting a free ride by agents.

If a free house gets you scholarship reductions and no post season play, what does rape of a minors covered up by the head coach and university president get you?

So much for winning with honor. Penn State, not just Penn State football, is a disgrace.

chuck

July 13th, 2012
4:06 pm

Why not simply shut down all of Penn State University, since the cover up went all the way to the top? The reason they shouldn’t is because a basic rule of law says, ‘Punish the guilty,’ not those who are innocent.

Sandusky put PSU where it is today...

July 13th, 2012
4:21 pm

The criminal didn’t give two hoots about how his on-campus crimes would affect his beloved university– nor did the idiots that aided him in keeping it secret.

How any PSU football player could ever walk inside the locker room after now knowing what took place there is beyond me.

Sanity

July 13th, 2012
4:26 pm

Rational person, you are probably the most short-sighted person ever to post, and that’s saying something. Why do you keep invoking NCAA rules??? PSU is a state institution governed by the State of Pennsylvania. The state can shut down the football program, the entire athletic department, or even the entire university if it so chooses, and the lack of an NCAA rule specifically prohibiting the the abuse of children is irrelevant. The NCAA is a joke, and has been functionally irrelevant for decades. Man, you are obtuse!

THE Dixie Redcoat Band

July 13th, 2012
4:27 pm

If PSU has a backbone, the statue will be gone by tomorrrow.

think sanely

July 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

Are you kidding me? NCAA has no authority here. Why punish current players and students with this? As if the University hasn’t paid enough of a price so far? Isn’t getting over things and making an attempt at making things better supposed to happen when you try and get over it by continuing playing football and making every effort to make this be in the past? You guys are so stupid and thinking so narrowly. Its no fault of anyone who is currently there and they shouldn’t be punished in such a way. Give me a break.

kral

July 13th, 2012
4:55 pm

testing 1,2,3

bjeeper

July 13th, 2012
5:11 pm

@ rational- The ethics bylaws clearly cover this. Read PSU’s view at http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf

gt4ever

July 13th, 2012
5:11 pm

@think sanely…..

Come again…. Your INSANE!

Orlando Dawg.

July 13th, 2012
5:31 pm

Jeff,
The Attorney General of Penn said that the Louis Freeh report was not fair to go by because there was alot of people that he was not able to interview because of Sandusky being on trial.He also said had Freeh been allowed to interview these few hundred people that everyone would see why Joe Paterno was not indicted for perjury like the former AD and president were.Also it would not be fair to hold the PSU players and the coaching staff there now accoutable for what a few people did.The NCAA should stay out of this and let the legal system handle this.

HabDawg

July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm

I dont know what the NCAA should do. I do know that everyone that knew should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law IMHO. Maybe a 1 or 2 year ban on football would get some attention. It is a shame that this may happen to all of the innocent people at PSU but innocent people have paid for others sins since the beginning of time.

Dawg x 2

July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm

I love UGA and college football, but this transcends sport. SMU gave a few bucks to kids who were probably broke and/or from poor/disadvantaged backgrounds. Maybe against the rules, but not morally reprehensible; it’s just a game, how bad is it to help a fellow human being? What happened at Penn State goes to the worst crimes known to mankind. Perhaps the only worse crime is genocide. My opinion is this is worst than murder, and covering it up makes you as guilty as the perpetrator. As a business owner, I can tell you any tiny hint of something wrong and I confront it and call my attorneys to make sure a potential victim is protected. If serious, I would definitely call the police. Even if this happened at UGA, I would say fire everyone associated, send them to jail and give them the death penalty to make them and everyone else think of the consequences of not doing the right thing. That said, it’s terribly sad that high level academics need a reminder.

HabDawg

July 13th, 2012
5:48 pm

Correction: everyone that knew and helped to cover it up…….

wilson87

July 13th, 2012
5:54 pm

I think one of the things that people are missing here on both sides is that the NCAA is an association. Which by my understanding means each school is it’s own independent member. The NCAA does not have to follow any specific rule or statute to punish PS. They may simply vote to strip them of their membership. Not that I think that will happen. But by saying that they have no grounds to punish them is very far from what could actually happen. I’m very sure that this will come down to some sort of sanction. It may be a public rebuke, or some sort of symbolic action. Either way PS will feel backlash from not protecting this children. As they should

jerry sandusky

July 13th, 2012
5:57 pm

Ole Blackberry Cobbler-
Your support brings a tear to an old man’s eye. Of course, my actions had nothing to do with the football program. What connection does my 30 years as a PSU assistant coach, my special post- retirement privileges that included unlimited use of the athletics facilities and my own office, the coverup engineered by JoPa, the AD and other coaches have with my wayward ways?
The rest of these guys on the blog are just too emotional.
Thanks again for your support. JoePa would be proud of you.
Your buddy-
Jerry

Paul

July 13th, 2012
6:03 pm

Too bad ole Joe was not Black…then he could claim all of the this was racial motivated.

Pago Pago DAWG

July 13th, 2012
6:05 pm

Hard to believe that Mrs. Sandusky didn’t have a clue!?

collegefootball fanatic

July 13th, 2012
6:27 pm

Penn State football will never be the same. With that said, they should never get the death penalty. There are too many lives at stake who had nothing to do with this. Think about the players who are trying are using football to get a college degree (yes, I know they can transfer, but it is pretty late in the year for that), and the new coaching staff who quit good jobs and up rooted their families. The statue of Paterno should come down, and everybody else involve should go to jail After that, it is up to their maker come judgment day to decide the rest of the story.

Confused Brit

July 13th, 2012
7:02 pm

Let me get this straight. You chaps have a game called football and yet give a wanker who carries the ball with his hands brass to attend University yet consider him an amateur? A paedophile working for a Uni is found amongst their ranks and the story is covered up by the University but now they will still be allowed to play football with their hands as if nothing occurred? You barking yanks are ruddy glaikit.

DougTheJacket

July 13th, 2012
7:26 pm

The football program should receive the Death Penalty. It is the only just penalty under the circumstances. Anything short of that would be laughable, given the circumstances of abuse that were known and covered up, and worse it was allowed to continue all the in an effort to maintain Penn State’s athletic competitiveness at the expense of the abused kids. At any point, if the allegations had been known, the football program would have suffered a great blow, along with their “squeaky clean” reputation. This is what Joe Paterno and the school were trying to prevent from happening, thus the cover-up and even worse they looked the other way. All in the name of football “excellence”, aggrandizement and money. The NCAA should give the harshest penalty.

dave

July 13th, 2012
8:07 pm

Somebody may have already asked this, but if this is indeed outside the realm of NCAA jurisdiction, could not the state Board of Regents vote to have the university suspend the football program?

Orlando Dawg.

July 13th, 2012
8:33 pm

Dave,
The boad of regents wont suspend the football program because football brings in alot of money to help fun alot of other sports like swiming,cross country,track,and alot of money goes to alot of women sports plus they hired a new head coach for football and he brought in new coaches for the football program and The university would still have to honnor those coaching contracts.Football and basketball bring in over 75 percent of the money that fund all atheletics at a university.

Dawg4life

July 13th, 2012
11:26 pm

Yes they do Jeff. You can’t place price tag on what happened up there. Compared to what went on at SMU, this deal strikes to a core beyond anything the Mustang Football program did. How can people watch their games and see this school continue to reap benefits when those poor children suffered so much, irregardless how old they were at the time. Yes Jeff, it’s the right thing to do. Keep up your good work!

Dan E

July 14th, 2012
4:58 am

Convict anyone who knew what was going on, tear down Paterno’s statue and melt it, remove anything that has the name Paterno on it at the university but don’t penalize students, athletes and the staff that had nothing to do with this or who had absolutely no knowledge of it. The people who are left at Penn State are not criminals. Don’t make them pay for the A-holes that caused this mess.

Ted M

July 14th, 2012
10:15 am

Yeah right…Those dirty rotten ba$tard Mom & Pop businesses around college station they deserve to go bankrupt and lose their life savings. Those current dirty rotten players… punish them. Shoot the president was involved shut the school down… punish those students too.

Because if you do the victims will be healed of all sorrow and scar; it will be as if it never happened.

With that said, I think Paterno was even more involved in the cover-up than this report says. But you can’t punish other people for what THAT dirty rotten ba$tard did. I did kinda actually want to punish the students when I saw them rallying around the Statue, which should have already been taken down. That’s the first thing that should have been done.

Crucify Him!... wait... who?

July 14th, 2012
1:17 pm

Just thought I’d stop by to say your comments re: Penn State reflect a possible borderline intellect disorder. Those responsible for the CRIMES (see: “not NCAA violations”) will be held accountable in CRIMINAL and CIVIL courts (and possibly even by St. Peter). To punish the new coaches, the town, the team, the university, former players, alumni, the fans, etc. for the sinful and illegal actions of a handful of people in a matter unrelated to football (aside from motives) = (insert whatever degrading adjective you want that would describe “really stupid”… but more clever, please). No person affiliated with operating or supporting the university as it moves forward thinks that the actions (and inactions) were acceptable. I honestly haven’t found a Penn State fan that doesn’t entirely condemn them. So what would NCAA activity do to help the process of healing and moving forward? By the same principal, my daughter would be pretty mad at me if I grounded her for something that her brother did… and consequently, that would make me a moron. But… you have plenty of support out there for the death penalty by other mouth breathers who can’t get past the first line mentioning child molestation. They just want to be angry and sound angry and say that molesting kids is wrong!!!… without stressing their brain to analyze the subject any further… possibly to avoid overheating or maybe to avoid exposing that there’s just a gerbil in there running on a wheel… and it looks exhausted. No one supports what happened, no one supports what they did…. everyone would like to kick ‘em in the nuts… but you can’t find them… you’ll never find them… because you’re looking at Penn State trying to find someone to punish. You can go to their old office… you can check near the water fountain, you can try to reach their secretary…. you can send letter after angry letter to Penn State all you want. No one showed up for work today on account of them already being FIRED. Contact their LAWYERS… cause they’re going to PRISON. Hell… for one of them you’ll need a séance… you’ll need to pay some fraudulent nut-job to try to contact his restless spirit after the stress of this incident likely promoted and prompted cancer to kill him… but really… you’re probably right… I don’t think anyone has learned a lesson from this yet…. I’m sure that punishing the innocent will do a fantastic job of exacting revenge on the guilty…. Jackass.

FANMAN

July 14th, 2012
3:33 pm

Penn State does not deserve the death penalty! It is so easy to punish the kids, coaches, and students now after the crime has been committed. The new players and coaches dont deserve to be punished for what the administrators did at Penn State! the coach involved is in prison, the coach who covered it up is dead, the administrators involved are all gone and legal action is pending, so what good is it going to do to punish these new recruits and coaches and students and people in the community by getting rid of the football program. Its stupid!

Doug

July 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

I hear a lot if comments re the current players and coaches had nothing to do with this. Folks it’s about the Insitution of PSU, their lack of control. Please research “NCAA Death Penatly” They deserve Death for atleast 5 years, and I’m thinking “No More Football Ever”! You can’t put football players and coaches above “Children”. This is how they got themselves in trouble placing the reputation of their program above Children. I’m not sorry if those current players and coaches suffer, but again it’s not abt the football program it’s about “A Lack of institutional control”.

Tom koc

July 14th, 2012
6:25 pm

wow NCAA definetly makes too much money….Email Presidents of NCAA make him feel the heat for everyday he ignores this issue…memmert@ncaa.org….le​t him know how you feel..Personally thier was suppose to be a response from Penn State to allegataions back in December , when the story broke again thursday NCAA come up with the same exact statement that was printed in Nov of 2011 and was suppose to be responded to in Dec of 2011…

DawgNole

July 14th, 2012
10:23 pm

PSU73
July 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

There is nothing I would rather see than the PSU football program dismantled because of this. Tear down the stadium and sow salt in the ground so nothing grows there. And I am an alum.
____________________

Yours certainly is a more unbiased approach than that of your fellow blogger “PSU Alum,” whose defense of the program is downright appalling.

DougTheJacket

July 14th, 2012
10:25 pm

If you want to understand what is about to happen to the Penn State University Football Program, read the letter the NCAA sent the University, and then think about what the Freeh report says. It is a foregone conclusion, in my opinion, that sanctions will be severe. There’s really not much to debate on the subject of sanctions, just how severe they will be remains to be seen. Jeff got it right.

http://www.ncaa.com/content/ncaa-letter-penn-state

ME

July 15th, 2012
11:34 am

I’m just going to throw this out there [and I fully know what typical response may follow].

The punishment levied on PSU should reflect the gravity of the criminal wrong carried out. Not the warm-hearted ideals held for an athletic institution.

Yes, we hold our pleasure and entertainment stimulation above a great many things like vigilant monitoring of our governing structures and other piddling things.

Yet, what happened at PSU was the criminal activity of rape, agitated by an organized conspiracy to conceal rape (a single act or multiple acts is irrelevant) for the sake of the institutions monetary viability.

What would be the due recourse for any other manner of entity in this country? If it were discovered that a senior (or minor) individual in a fortune 500 corp. was performing pedophilia and rape and that these actions were deliberately hidden from all to know by no less than the chief powers of the corporation. What would we expect as punishment? Knowing that company employs hundreds if not thousands and is responsible for secondary profits of supporting industries?

We would expect that corporation rife with willful and knowing corruption to collapse upon itself. Sad perhaps for the innocent people who worked in the company who had no wrongdoing on their consciences.

Still it would not be so sad to ignore the incomparable suffering of the victims and the reality that more victims were created by the willful collusion of anyone who did not speak up or come forth.

Yet, we talk about the athletes, the teachers, the vendors. All these people who will suffer if the PSU football program goes under. Yes, it is sad. It is unfortunate, but the anger of those directly affected by the discontinuance of the Penn State football program have only the individuals who abused and molested their institutions good name and legacy for the protection of the institution to blame.

Human beings must draw a line when it comes to the phrase ‘at all costs’.

You can be as sentimental as you want about the players, teachers, the college’s prestige, even the unfortunate vendors who will suffer.

That is just the point a point we seem to have forgotten or want to forget increasingly.
Bad choices can be corrected, and wrongs can in time be healed but ONLY after the full brunt of consequence has been felt and the wound cauterized.

This is not SMU. PSU football suffering due to the direct actions of its chief heads, and the institutions chief administrators is both an example being set, and a lesson being taught. FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY not giving some athletes spending money to play for your school.

Moreover, the suffering that all those innocent but still attached to the institution will feel is the lesson that must seer itself in our collective memory for a lifetime and then some.

What would be patently false and worse than the actions of the senior officials would be to suggest that there is any excuse to dismiss responsibility.

Just because we have a soft spot for sports and entertainment doth not mean we should not take this moment force ourselves to bring back perspective.

College is education. That is what matters. That we rob a prospect of his D1 breakthrough season which could bring him NFL glory somehow doesn’t seem to match up to even one of the boys who was sodomized till bloody.

In addition, to suggest that the education will suffer for the loss of football isn’t an argument for leaving the program intact it is actually a better argument for colleges to reassign their mission and existence. This is either to profit for the sake of profit or to promote higher learning.

Simplistic you can call it but that doesn’t change the harsh reality of the situation.

Nothing about D1 sports or Penn State specifically justifies permitting the institution that was corrupted and acting in bad faith to take the field this fall. Not one argument validates the gross human failings.

If Sandusky was doing, his dirt by himself fine leave the school out of this. The moment Spanier, Paterno et-all colluded they strapped the institution, and its legacy to a time-bomb. And as bombs go they are indiscriminate and brutal even to those who dont deserve it but stand in its vicinity.

Enrique

July 15th, 2012
11:39 am

It is incomprehensible that a world class university would fail to recognize and ignore all that has happened and how it should proceed in the future. Let me offer you a starting point. The Paterno statue must come down. It will forever serve as a reminder of someone who enabled a pedophile and showed no regard for the child victims. The university needs to sever all ties with the Paterno family if it is to regain some credibility and begin the healing process.

Motocross Survivor

July 15th, 2012
12:34 pm

They should throw the homo pedophile’s wife in the joint too.

The Brit think they control everything

July 15th, 2012
12:57 pm

Confused Brit,
Stay and keep your options over there on that little island off the coast of Europe.
BTW, An American football is around a FOOT long,hence football,not ever thing called foot
has to do with a literal human foot.

show me kid

July 15th, 2012
1:09 pm

The football team did not do anything wrong-punish the ones who did.

MT

July 15th, 2012
1:15 pm

@show me kid

Remember SMU, alot of kids there didn’t do anything wrong either.That was just over alumi and booster’s giving a FEW kids money.This is the whole Penn St heirarchy.

Preston

July 15th, 2012
1:52 pm

Wow! This has to be the biggest 360 I’ve ever seen or heard of in terms of a man’s reputation. EVERYONE loved and respected Paterno until this and now his name is dirt. Incredible!

POWER & MONEY

July 15th, 2012
2:13 pm

When power and money walk in……JUSTICE walks OUT!!!

nomaj

July 15th, 2012
3:04 pm

It appears that Penn State is, unfortunately, still in thrall to the Paterno influence: Yesterday’s headline article about removing the halo from this pedophile enabler’s mural also included the news that a blue child abuse awareness ribbon would be painted on the coach/ped protector’s jacket, “…a cause that Paterno supported, the artist said.” Which indicates that, even in death, people at Penn State are still cowed by this perv protector.

Jim

July 15th, 2012
7:44 pm

Pedophile State should lose its ability to generate revenue through the football program. Greed and power placed the university in this situation. Pedophile State’s leadership proved that it can not be trusted to act responsibly. Leaving the football program in place would be akin to leaving Bernie Madoff in charger of his investors’ portfolios.

DawgNole

July 15th, 2012
8:28 pm

A victim speaks
July 12th, 2012
5:08 pm

I hope PSU does NOT in any way still honor Joe Paterno; he is scum for putting football and PSU above the concern for these children being molested by Jerry Sandusky, and Paterno’s family needs to publicly apologize for Joe’s disgraceful cowardice and misplaced goals.
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Publicly apologize? Good luck with that. His delusional son is still publicly defending him.

GTGator

July 15th, 2012
10:01 pm

Reach for the stars Schultze. Just curious, do you actually get paid to write what you do?

Bento Mambo

July 15th, 2012
10:42 pm

Agree with vacating all of Paterno’s wins, at least after the first incident took place. Also cut off all of Penn State’s revenue from football, or fine them a huge amount that will send a message to all other programs as well that put revenue above doing the right thing

DawgNole

July 15th, 2012
10:57 pm

Yeti
July 13th, 2012
7:27 am

Buckeye-there is NO CHANCE you are really an Ohio State fan. Real Ohio State fans no to keep their mouths shut when the football conversation turns to corrupt programs, football running a University, and players with no class.
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Oh he’s a real osu fan alright–just a particularly dumb and arrogant one.

Chris Sanchez

July 16th, 2012
6:55 am

This is going to be expensive for Penn State to the tun of hundreds of millions of dollars. Of course, money cannot fix the damaged lives but it is not the only thing that there is to offer these victims. Aside from lengthy prison sentences for those in a position to do something about Sandusky who did nothing, fundamental changes to all universities’ with a major athletic program are a coming.

The NCAA will be stepping up their own enforcement efforts to be sure but universities’ trustees will be insisting that much better checks and balances are in place to hold even the most senior level leaders accountable. The willful ignorance of the Penn State board should be investigated and criminal charges considered. The cultural dominance of athletic programs in our universities must end and state schools must lead the way. Here where SEC football is such a large part of so many lives, this will be challenging yet it must be done.

Penn State will survive but it will be a much different school in the coming years. Whether the NCAA decides to kill their football program is uncertain and in my view unlikely. A one or two year suspension may happen but there will be PSU football and there should be. Football is not the criminal here. Jerry Sandusky and those who willfully and knowingly permitted him to victimize children are the criminals. Let’s not forget that!

tomato

July 16th, 2012
9:20 am

Perhaps it’s time for universities to prioritize education instead of worshiping sports.

Ken Stallings

July 16th, 2012
10:55 am

For the lamentable few here who keep claiming the football program is somehow not part of this scandal:

How is it you blame Jeff Schultz for this connection? Joe Paterno, an assistant coach, the assistant head coach, the Athletic Director, University President, and Chancellor all involved and connected the football program when they decided to engage in a conspiracy to cover up felony crime, and in so doing violated standing law that requires people in leadership positions to report any suspicion of such crimes!

If these men had done the only right thing all those many years ago, then no one would be talking about shutting down the PSU football program.

If my alma mater (NC State) schedules Penn State, then I will contact the NC State AD immediately to demand it be changed. Suspending the football program is fair and right and also because it keeps other schools from having to connect their programs to the shame of PSU’s football program.

Gordo

July 16th, 2012
1:47 pm

Has anyone pointed out that the LA School District Superintendant fired an entire school due to a sex scandal? I’m sure not every last teacher, adminstrator, or support staff was involved but he wants a new image and cleaning house was the first step. Why shouldn’t the same thing happen to Penn State? I haven’t read through every last comment, so I may have missed someone else referring to this case.

Stat1124

July 16th, 2012
5:48 pm

I think they deserve some severe punishment and it looks like the NCAA might be positioning themselves to look into that. Check out what might be NCAA’s batteplan to go against Penn State: http://www.digitalphoenix.biz/arising/dpmg-blog/74-blog/485-pennstate-deathpenalty.html

YahYouBetcha

July 22nd, 2012
10:58 am

This really was about gain and benefiting the football program. Fame and glory equal money and money did benefit the football program big time! Otherwise, why the coverup?

NCAA will also be bowing to the tyrany of the majority if it does nothing. If the NCAA does not deal with systemic sickness such as this, they cease to be important.

How people from the University can live with themselves is a mystery to me. What about the children. What if it was your brother, sister, son or daughter. Would you rally around the penn state football program then???

wsewell525

July 23rd, 2012
2:24 am

The problem with this harsh of punishment though, is it will cause other institutions to try and cover up their zits. The reason why Penn St didn’t want to go to the authorities I bet are for the reasons they are getting ripped apart now. I don’t think this is a football issue anymore, and the kids and coaches there had nothing to do with it. I agree with taking down the statue, but you don’t have to take down the program…..

nomaj

July 23rd, 2012
2:32 am

The latest statements from the Paterno family show the same small vileness and corruption that got their would-be deified football coach father a one way ticket from fame to infamy. Blaming everyone else… denying that the would-be saint knew anything about what what going on… indicating that he did all that was necessary….
Penn State seems to know now that it is imperative to put Paterno in the dustbin of their history, because to try to rehabilitate this pedophile protector’s legacy will be devastating to the university. The sheep will get over him soon enough, but it’s a wise move to remove that statue, which looked so pathetic and inappropriate, knowing what is now known about Paterno’s willful inaction to save these poor boys, just so the cash producing juggernaut could keep moving.

Goodbye College Football

July 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Well it is now Monday July 23, 2012 and the NCAA said that Penn State did not get the death penalty. Considering the penalties, as a Penn State fan, they would have been better off if they did. The kids on the current team, the new couching staff and the fans had nothing to do with the scandal, but that didn’t matter to the NCAA. This was and is a criminal matter in which one man is behind bars for the rest of his life and probably three more to follow for jail terms of varying degrees. This should have played out in the Pennsylvania criminal courts not the NCAA. The NCAA had no business getting involved with this, other than to remove the Joe Paterno career win record. Hopefully the Victim’s will get the compensation they deserve even though we know that no amount of money will ease their pain. I’m done with all college football and I hope every other Penn State fan is done with the sport. When Penn State wasn’t playing, I was still a college football fan and watched other teams compete and play for the national championship. If every Penn State fan were to say I’m done with college football it could actually have a negative economic impact on the sport to the point that a lot fewer fans are watching and buying products that support it. The estimated number of Penn State fans is 2,642,275 and ranked number three in the country behind Ohio State and Michigan in number of fans. I think most of the Penn State fans would rather see a total ban on Penn State football forever rather than make them play with a handicapped team for the next 4 years. Send the NCAA a message that we are done forever with Penn State and the rest of college football, you don’t have to say a word just stop watching all college football on TV, going to the games and making donations to the sport. In the fall when Saturday comes, dust off that old fishing pole and take to the great outdoors and leave the ESPN fans to argue over their respective teams. Put an end to being a College football fan, it’s not worth the aggravation

[...] The NCAA, as I’ve written previously, should have gone one step further and shut the program down for one to two years. It would’ve been more than just a symbolic hit. [...]

Goodbye College Football

July 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm

The best thing the school could do now is too shut down the football program forever, dismantle the stadium and become a respectable institution of higher learning. The NCAA doesn’t want that, but that’s what they should get. As for us Penn State fans, we’ll get over it, there are more important things in this world than college football.

Sean Payton Used Cars

July 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm

Paterno was a pretty slick character for a long time.

Toad

July 23rd, 2012
10:24 pm

Lets say a business (college football is a business first and foremost despite those who hold on to the notion it is a game to be played while attending school) has some senior management covering up a criminal act (ie child molestation, murder, pick any). Pretend for this example it is the management of the AJC. Do we close the entire business or put those responsible in jail (in process – several at PennState are already indicted). The business is fined (done) and potentially boycotted by the public (how many football moms want their kids to go to PSU if they have other options today). What do you think Schultz, or anyone else looking to shut down football at PSU, should you lose your job because an administrator at your job site committed a criminal act ??? Sorry, taking scholarships, fining them & vacating wins are all legitimate, but not closing down the whole business. Not a PennState alum, not a Pennsylvania native or citizen, & personally never liked JoePa or PennState. Just an SEC fan who thinks the emotional part of the child molestation crime has been allowed to overwhelm common sense and the legal system. And yes, before you comment that I dont understand the crime, a member of my immediate family is a victim of child molestation.