FSU to Big 12? School has inflated idea of self-worth
Jimbo Fisher and Florida State might think brand is worth more than it really is. (AP photo)
There is only one thing that throws me about this Florida State-to-the-Big-12 rumor that has been growing and mutating over the past several days: Do school officials consider themselves some kind of super power? Because I believe time machines are not applicable here.
In the last six years, Florida State has played in the Emerald Bowl, the Music City Bowl, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Chick-fil-A Bowl and the Champs Sports Bowl again.
They have played in one BCS bowl (Orange) in the last eight seasons (and lost). They haven’t won any BCS bowl game since the national title 12 years ago.
They haven’t won the ACC since 2005. They have played in only one ACC championship game in the last six seasons.
Before a school starts making financial demands and threatening to change conferences, shouldn’t it at least have to win the ACC Atlantic Division more frequently than Boston College?
This, of course, is all about money. The problem is that Florida State is living in its super power past. It’s frustrated that the ACC is not the SEC. Every conference is frustrated that it’s not the SEC. But, sorry, when a conference wins six straight national championships, the result is not going to be a level playing field, least of all when it comes to television revenue.
The ACC and ESPN recently announced a 15-year, $3.6 billion contract. That averages out to $17.1 million per school per year, which certainly seems good. But the fact that the deal is back-loaded — it will take nine years before schools see a $17.1 million take – has some members grumbling, particularly Florida State, whose athletic department is facing a $2.4 million shortfall.
Andy Haggard, an FSU trustee, mouthed off to Warchant.com. He complained that the ACC surrendered its third-their television rights to ESPN for football but not basketball, seeming evidence that the conference was favoring the North Carolina-based schools for basketball reasons.
There was a problem with that statement: It wasn’t true. The school had to issue an apology Saturday night. This goes back to my theory that many members of a school’s Board of Trustees are little more than more than big-money boosters who get to go to meetings and, it follows, talk too much.
Seminoles coach Jimbo Fisher also said, “…I think you always have to look out there to see what’s best for Florida State. If that [jumping to the Big 12] is what’s best for Florida State, then that’s what we need to do.”
This from a coach who last season finished behind Clemson and Wake Forest. I’m not sure what Fisher believes the Florida State brand is worth right now, but I doubt the school can do better than what it has right now. Leverage comes with winning something.
By Jeff Schultz
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Herschel Talker
May 14th, 2012
1:50 pm
Schultzie:
You the man!!!!
HT
Burdell90
May 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
First
Jeff Schultz
May 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
Herschel: You the Talker.
sc15
May 14th, 2012
1:54 pm
So was Alabama not a super power when they struggled before Saban got there?
Jesse W.
May 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
Right on. The Florida St. fans think that their program is God’s gift to football. They’re arguably the third most relevant program in the state of Florida and will never be ahead of UF in that category. It’s time for them to get off their high horse and realize that they are far from being the most valuable member of the conference.
James
May 14th, 2012
1:59 pm
Seminole fans often seem a bit deluded. As a Tech fan, I like having them in the ACC. But they are the worst academic institution in the conference, so I wouldn’t cry if they left either.
You didn’t hear any FSU fans complaining about the ACC when they were winning it every year in the 90’s.
Jason
May 14th, 2012
2:01 pm
Using your same argument, one could say that a school like Duke doesn’t deserve any money in football because it hasn’t done anything in football…. ever.
You obviously do not understand branding, marketshare and electronic footprints. You are also obviously opposed to the American free-market system. An entity has the right, if not obligation, to explore all options to see if it can better itself. Heck, isn’t that essentially the same premise as the American Dream?
I promise, I am no fan of FSU, and I find most of their fans are undeservedly obnoxious and self-assured for a program that has only had about 15 years of football success (albeit incredible success during that span).
If FSU feels there is a better situation for them elsewhere, they should explore that option. Just because you do not comprehend branding and the total value of a brand, doesn’t mean there is no value to the brand itself. The value to a conference like the Big 12 goes beyond what FSU has done the last 5 years on the field.
And referring to your argument, if FSU has lost its value, then there shouldn’t be any concern whatsoever on the part of ACC fans if FSU goes elsewhere.
Take a marketing class. You might learn something.
Chi Town
May 14th, 2012
2:02 pm
Respect, Lord Saban.
Pearson
May 14th, 2012
2:02 pm
No..we don’t think we are God’s gift to football. We do think we are God’s gift to ACC football. Who the hell would have kept the conference afloat say oh 1993-2001 had FSU not gone 14 straight seasons with major bowl wins and 2 national championships. Prior to VA Tech joining in 2004 ACC football had no credibility other than FSU and all schools made a ton of money off our winning.
FSU just wants to go to a conference that prides itself on football and not basketball and wants to be treated fairly as a football program. It isn’t that much to ask.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
The issue here is that all ACC schools granted third tier rights to their games to ESPN. The Big 12 schools didn’t, which is why there’s a Longhorn Network. The value of the third tier rights is that schools don’t have to share the revenue generated by those games. The problem for FSU is that no one wants to see them play Savannah State in football or watch the women’s track team run 800 meters.
I wouldn’t blame FSU for leaving if they got a better deal. The problem is that they probably won’t find one.
Jeff B
May 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
This is ridiculous, FSU. Make some waves in the expanded ACC, before you start thinking it’s too small of a pond for you!
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
Perhaps FSU should pride itself on football first, Pearson.
Chuck
May 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
It seems like getting rid of Bobby Bowden wasn’t the miracle cure the FSU brass thought it’d be. Maybe the problem lies higher than the coaching staff, and changing conferences isn’t going to help it at all. Instread of crowing about moving to the Big 12, FSU should do some self-evaluation and maybe bring in some better people than Fisher and his ilk.
GStateBen
May 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
Horrible coaching, lazy recruiting and general lackluster athletic direction led to the downfall in the 2000s. Jimbo has won 19 games in the last two seasons (only 12 BCS teams have done that in same span). The 2012 team is loaded and should win 10+ games again. Will one season change your opinion Jeff?
The ACC made it clear that this is a basketball decision and Florida State is a football school.
Inflated self-worth? It’s called remaining competitive. Comparing SEC vs. ACC deals, Florida will make $128 million more than its in-state rival in the next 16 years. You have to have money to be competitive nationally and Florida State has not until the last two seasons.
BlacknRed
May 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
How are you not on a level playing field, when you have had at least a top 10 recruiting class for the last five years?
1980's baby
May 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
We Seminoles fans have learned from the best at this kind of thing. UGA! You’d think UGA is in the national title hunt every year the way their fans gloat. Whawhoo 1980 baby! Herschel! Dooly! Herschel!
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
The funny thing about all of these rumors is that FSU (and their south Florida buddies at Miami) falling off over the last 10 years is the chief reason why the ACC’s media deal lags behind the other big conferences. If Florida State and Miami were nationally ranked top 10 programs every season, which was the primary reason behind expansion in the first place, the ACC would have a top-tier media rights in its own right and FSU would have no reason to be upset. They have no one to blame but themselves for their predicament and if they believe moving on to become the eastern outpost flunkies for Texas and Oklahoma is a solution, they’ll have another thing coming.
Cory
May 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204527804576043870683872488.html
FSU is #2 in bowl TV ratings only behind USC. This is why FSU deserves more than the 13 million from the ACC, FSU has to wait until 2019 for that 17 million, still behind Big 12’s current payout.
And you talk about “self worth” What has Vandy and Ole Miss done to deserve 6 million more a year than FSU? Sellout crowds? Huge TV ratings? National Appeal?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:16 pm
Pearson,
If “FSU just wants to go to a conference that prides itself on football and not basketball and wants to be treated fairly as a football program”, then why did they join the ACC in the first place?
Better yet, why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the ACC! Ya’ll went to the ACC because you all thought you would dominate in football and have an easy path to the a BCS Bowl every year. Now that your program has slipped into mediocrity and can’t pay the bills, you want to cry “foul”.
PiKappNole
May 14th, 2012
2:16 pm
Wow…funny how so many miss the bigger point. The ACC is no longer a good deal for FSU. After all, if the ACC only gets paid if FSU wins 10+ games per year, finish in the top 4, and win a couple of national championships, then why do they need a conference?
The idea of a conference is to join like-minded schools a program in the nation. But guess what – they have had FIVE non-winning football seasons over the last 15 years (one 6-6 season, the rest were losing seasons). But the SEC had other schools to step it up when Bama was down. Or when Tennessee was down. Or LSU, UF, Auburn, etc. Look at how Stanford and Oregon kept the PAC-12 near the top when USC was down recently. Or how Okie State stepped it up for the Big 12. But yet FSU gets blamed for not being a national title contender recently.
My main point is that every national power will go through some down years. Bama has. USC has. Texas has. Okalahoma has. UF has. But their conferences aren’t written off when that happens because they aren’t one-trick ponies like the ACC. FSU has not had one losing season in 31 years and has been to a bowl game every one of those years. In the last 4 years we have beaten WVU, Wisconsin, South Carolina and Notre Dame…premier schools from premier conferences (counting WVU as big12 now).
BlacknRed
May 14th, 2012
2:17 pm
They should have joined the SEC last year when they had the chance!! Now we are stuck with Yahoo Mizzou, who are not even in the south!!
The truth
May 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
FSwho had their shot to join the SEC and decided they would “rule” the ACC. Being chicken $h!7 has it costs….
Dave
May 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
1. It is all about the money.
2. Let’s see what the ACC deal looks like when FSU leaves. reduce those numbers by 3 million per year for the ACC.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:19 pm
“What has Vandy and Ole Miss done to deserve 6 million more a year than FSU?”
Easy answer. They belong to a conference that puts butts in the seats and has the most watched games on television.
Grant
May 14th, 2012
2:19 pm
Schultz..so do you think the same of Texas A&M and Missouri?? Heck it will probably be harder to win a National Championship in the Big 12 vs the ACC. Seriously the ACC as a football conferrence compaired to the SEC is no comparion. The ACC is a basketball conference (just added 2 big basketball schools) and unleess they add Notre Dame it always will be. It’s not about who we can beat or didn’t beat we would be good for the big 12 and they for us. Even though we haven’t been the best on the field lately. We have some of the highest football gam ratings over the past 10 years.
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
2:19 pm
Sounds like another team that has an inflated sense of self worth. Sounds a bit like the dogs and the SEC! SEC! Least to me.
Jesse B.
May 14th, 2012
2:21 pm
No one knows what exactly the tier rights in the ACC contract are because the ACC won’t publicly release the contract. The bottom line is that people care about the Florida State Seminoles (judging by TV ratings) and IF, and I mean If, Jimbo Fisher can right the ship, this national brand will go through the roof with just moderate success. The Big12 knows this as does the ACC.
Yes, FSU has itself to blame for the downfall of the football program (and ACC football as well) but we have made the changes necessary to succeed and we are seeing the fruits from those moves pay off (A little slower than we’d like, but still).
Go Noles!!
BlacknRed
May 14th, 2012
2:21 pm
LOL@Beast From The East
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
A crack blogger would have talked to and included a quote the greatest FSU Seminole player of all-time, our homey Deion!
your mom
May 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
oh weird…. another journalist completely missing the point of moving conferences. Im all the titles that aTm and missou are bringing to the sec is exactly why the sec wanted them. Get your head out of your a**. the big 12 can supply money. the acc cant. quit being stupid.
It didnt seem to pay off when we slaughtered the acc every year so now that we dont everyone thinks thats why we want out. just dumb.
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
Is Seminole PC these days? I guess if gay marriage is PC, anything goes.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:23 pm
Why would the Big 12 be good for FSU, Grant? If you can answer that question in a dollars and cents way, so be it. My guess is you can’t.
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
1980’s baby,
Hey, leave 1981 out of it. It’s the dogs only glory year.
Dave
May 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
Your worth is what you get paid. If another conference is willing to pay an additional 3-10 million per year (reports are all over the board) and add FSU to the conference then that is FSU value.
And why would FSU want to stay in the ACC it sucks. If GT was thinking they would be checking out options as well.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:27 pm
Buckeye,
I see Urban hasn’t had to take a LOA yet, so I guess his health is ok?
BlacknRed
May 14th, 2012
2:27 pm
To me Texas A&M will always be a Big 12 team, and Mizzou should have been and will always be a Big 10 team, and FSU you will always be an ACC team.
Jesse B.
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
@ George Stein: Dollars and cents way? The Big12 would be better for the Noles because the renegotiated TV contract would most likely bring 8 million more in 2013 alone. Add to that the increase in ticket sales, concessions, booster donations, bowl payouts, possible Tier 3 $$…you are looking at a legit increase in revenue…
Jonesy
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
Hey- they FSU is consistent top 20 in partying drinking. They deserve a bigger pay day.
On a serious note- the ACC is led by by Swofford and they should do a better job at improving the football image. Rule 12b.1.a should be not allowing any member to run the f’ing triple option as its main offense.
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Dawg Haus
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
Well said, Jeff! If FSU really is looking to move, can’t the SEC give Missouri back to the Big 12 and take the Noles instead?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
“And why would FSU want to stay in the ACC it sucks.”
Then please explain why FSU joined the ACC in the first place. ACC football is no worse now than it was in the 90’s when the Semis decided to go there instead of the SEC.
noleinatl
May 14th, 2012
2:30 pm
Mr. Schultz, please remember this article in December….I don’t understand how a sports writer could be this ignorant.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:31 pm
Tier 3 revenue? Is that a joke? The only tier three game FSU had last year was Charleston Southern, and it was 8,000 seats short of a sellout. Good luck getting a single penny in profit from that.
The TV deals are almost always backloaded. If you think the Big 12 is flat, so be it. I’ll be interested to see how a school that is already $2MM short has $20MM to leave the ACC.
I am shocked by how uncritical some FSU fans are on this.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
2:31 pm
Everyone is bashing the ACC’s contract for being backloaded. The Pac 12 contract is also backloaded. Do we know for sure that the Big 12 contract is not backloaded? It seems like a pretty important missing piece of information.
Noah H Schmidt
May 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
FSU is 3-0 against the SEC in the last 3 years. We aren’t afraid of the competition. And the ratings show we are a National draw for eyeballs on the TV set. And we make the same amount in TV revenue aa Maryland and BC and less TV revenue than SEC powers Ole Miss and Vandy. Do you honestly think Ole Miss puts as many eyeballs on the TV set as FSU? They make a lot because they are associated with Bama, LSU and Arkansas while we make less because we are associated with Maryland, Duke and Boston College. The bottom line is our athletic department is facing a $2.4 million dollar shortfall this year. Forgive us for wanting to go to a conference where we make more in TV revenue and can make enough money to pay our good coaches enough to keep other schools from stealing them, upgrading facilities and paying enough for recruiting. Lack of TV revenue will make it more difficult to compete in future years.
I think you guys are jealous since we’ve been whipping the SEC schools for top prospects in recruiting the last two years.
BlacknRed
May 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
The NCAA really needs to intervene, why the heck Boise State is in the Big East, and why the heck Missouri is in the SEC, how are the parents and students are going to go see those games!
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
George Stein,
Don’t be shocked. The Clown College isn’t known for it’s academics!
Jon73
May 14th, 2012
2:33 pm
As an FSU fan the sooner we move the better … ACC football fans do not travel and an ACC home schedule consisting of Wake, Duke, BC is not exactly the thrill that packs them in. Our closest rival, GT, is not even in our division. Frankly, the ACC is a mediocre football conference, and FSU has contributed to that with the “lost decade.” Nonetheless, it is time to move on and the FSU brand is just fine … no matter what the AJC has to say.
Jesse B.
May 14th, 2012
2:34 pm
The tier 3 revenue is something you can’t calculate..thats why I put it last and added possible.
Even if the deal is backloaded we would still see a significant increase in the number we are getting from the ACC. You can’t argue that point.
The Big12 is paying half of WV buyout so I would imagine they would pay at least half of ours.
So, you contradicted the tier 3 point and added that the TV deal is backloaded.
Still, speaking in dollars and cents, we would make a significant amount more in the Big12 than the ACC. Anything else you want to add?
noleinatl
May 14th, 2012
2:35 pm
IF Brand is “more worth than it really is,” then why does FSU dominate the national television ratings EVERY year in their “crappy bowls”? Mr. Schultz wouldn’t have an answer to this b/c he is missing the whole point of FSU leaving the ACC…$$$… I knew I should have been a “sports writer,” they are about as accurate as a 1980’s weather man! lol
John Thompson
May 14th, 2012
2:36 pm
IT”S ABOUT MONEY YOU F&CKTARD. HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:37 pm
Nothing – except for market demand – is stopping FSU from shopping their tier three television rights now.
The talk about the ratings is pretty funny considering the ACC had better ratings than the Big 12 last year.
UGA deamers
May 14th, 2012
2:38 pm
Yeah..because the SEC is such a great academic confernce(except maybe for Vandy). Don’t want to hear from you lame SEC fans about academics…..lol.
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George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:39 pm
The tier three revenue is the only place where FSU would make enough money to offset the exit fee, Jesse B.
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
2:39 pm
PiKappNole, do you remember how lightly regarded the Pac 10 was in the 90’s when USC went through a prolonged down swing prior to Pete Carroll coming on board? The fact is, outside of the SEC just due to the sheer number of historically relevant “name brand” programs, no major conference would be well regarded if it’s top brands endured decade long down spells. Part of the reason why an Oklahoma State or an Oregon can carry the banner for their leagues is because the real name brands (USC, Oklahoma and Texas) still maintained their relevance so rising above those schools means something- Oregon had a strong program and played in Rose Bowls in the 90s but no one cared because USC wasn’t relevant at the time so Oregon (along with Stanford and Washington St and whoever else) didn’t get any shine. THAT is the problem that Florida State (and Miami, they are even more to blame in my opinion) causes for the ACC- when you have one or two down years, it’s cute when a Wake Forest steps up and wins the league and nobody holds it against the league. When you have a down decade though, it damages the entire league because now the perception becomes that the league as a whole just sucks- nobody gets any credit for their successes now.
John Thompson
May 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
2nd, have you seen the Director’s Cup standings. This is an athletics decision. Inflated self worth? Number 1 baseball team in the country, 4 straight NCAA appearances in basketball. Cross country, track. Big time programs. We ran a 2.4 million dollar deficit last year. Frankly, they need more money to keep feeding the programs, and so we can continue to compete in more sports as we move forward.
For the amount of athletic programs we have, we sent the highest percentage of teams to post season in the country. HIGHEST.
Inflated self worth? Nah. These guys know with more revenue coming in, we can get a stronger output. Sorry if you can’t see that this decision is strictly financial.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Don’t want to hear from you lame SEC fans about academics”
I’m sure you don’t if you’re from FSU. They are at the bottom of the barrel in academics in the ACC. Would be the same way if they were in the SEC.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Don’t want to hear from you lame SEC fans about academics”
I’m sure you don’t if you’re from FSU. They are at the bottom of the barrel in academics in the ACC. Would be the same way if they were in the SEC.
ARX
May 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
What does FSU record have to do with leaving a conf that is one of the worse FOOTBALL conf in all of college football?? FSU is a Nat Brand and those bowl game you mention might not have been BCS bowls but they are some of the highest TV rated games played. FSU is a national brand even when mediocre, can you imagine if they get things turned around and become a national power again? If recent recruiting is correct thinks are look good
Grant Field
May 14th, 2012
2:44 pm
FSU fan has a point:
GT should be looking at our options too. When TV rights are being competitively bid up by ESPN, Fox, and CBS, the ACC was negotiating a long term, backend loaded, lockup agreement; instead of the smart business move, which is to maximize your bid price.
What if Fox was willing to overbid in a couple years to get their foot in the door? But now we have a long term contract with ESPN.
The problem is the $20m exit fee. If we could make $4m more per year in the B1G or B12, it is a 5 year payback to recover the exit fee.
The Truth
May 14th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Don’t want to hear from you lame SEC fans about academics”
I’m sure you don’t if you’re from FSU. They are at the bottom of the barrel in academics in the ACC. Would be the same way if they were in the SEC.
FSU would be be a good fit for the SEC. Academically, they would be about the middle. Put them in the East and they would probably dominate in football.
Jesse B.
May 14th, 2012
2:47 pm
The exit fee would be offset by a combination of revenue increases that the Big12 would bring. I’m not saying we could make enough money instantly to pay off the exit fee but we would be able to set up some sort of “transitional fund” like WV did to pay it off eventually using some of the increased revenue from the move. The Big12 would supply at least half, like the agreed to do for WV.
Semenole
May 14th, 2012
2:48 pm
Jeff– You guys ever use Freedom of Information or whatever it is to check out the records from Georgia Tech and Georgia’s athletic board meetings. There’s got to be some fun stuff those minutes every so often.
Steve
May 14th, 2012
2:48 pm
Mission Accomplished on the trolling op-ed piece, Schultz. You’ve caught a lot of bites with this one.
On the subject at hand, it’s not a “self worth” issue for FSU. The real issue is that the ACC has made the decision to become a basketball conference (even more than before) by adding Syracuse and Pitt. There are rumors that Rutgers and UConn are also going to join, which would eradicate the Big East and essentially make the ACC the unquestioned leader in basketball — and even more of a doormat in football.
That’s fine if your school is in North Carolina, but it doesn’t really work if your school isn’t. The current ACC football schools (Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT) are going to suffer from the new television deal, especially considering that their SEC and Big 12 counterparts are going to be making $5-10Million more per season in television revenue.
Now is the time for the football schools to leave the ACC. If John Swofford and company did not see this coming, their baby-blue blinders are wider than I expected.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
2:49 pm
What makes you think the Big 12 would do that twice, Jesse?
I’m not trying to be difficult, but why are so many FSU folks so ready to jump? I mean, last week everything was fine. Then some poorly informed trustee spouts off and y’all are ready to bolt? It makes no sense.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
2:52 pm
“We ran a 2.4 million dollar deficit last year.”
Sounds like changes need to be made in more departments than just athletics.
Central GA Dawg
May 14th, 2012
2:54 pm
Sour grapes….The Criminoles had a chance to join the big boys 20 years ago. When the SEC announced that they were going to expand to 12 teams, they extended invitations to 2 schools, Arkansas and FSU. Florida State wimped out and said “no thank you”. Therefore, the War Chickens joined the SEC…I find all of this very amusing that they are wanting to jump to a different conference now, when they can’t even dominate the pitiful Atlantic Coast Cupcakes anymore!
Jesse B.
May 14th, 2012
2:56 pm
I think the Big12 would be willing to pay more than half, to be honest. Call it a inflated sense of self worth but I think FSU would bring a lot to the Big 12…national brand, florida recruiting, higher tv ratings, etc.
To be honest with you, FSU fans have been sick of the ACC for years. Obviously we are angry at everyone and everything for how far we’ve fallen since 2000 (our own fault, 100%) but this conference has been ticking us off for years. Now that we actually have something to be mad at (TV contract, budget deficit) we are itching to jump. Last year a lot of us were praying for an invite from the SEC (which we still want but know UF would never let us get) so we’ve wanted out for a while now.
It just seems that this talk has gone so far that if we keep beating the drum we may be able to force it like Misso and aTm did last year.
I appreciate the perspective, actually. I’ve been in favor of jumping to the SEC for a long time and only recently considered the Big12. At this point, the Big12 isnt as good as the SEC but its damn sure better than the ACC.
Cody
May 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
You have to admit Central GA Dwag that they would dominate your pitiful butts in the SEC East.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
2:59 pm
FSU fans seem very ready to do the following for a potential extra 4-5 million per year:
- End their yearly game with Miami, probably only play one game a year against a team anywhere close to them.
- Give up alot of their southeastern TV coverage outside of Florida. Which will hurt recruiting.
- Pay the ACC 20 million with possible help from the Big 12
- Make their closest away game over 850 miles away
- Move to a conference that was about a day away from destruction less then a year ago.
- Go from being the top football school in a conference to third best football school in a conference.
If that’s what they want, then more power to them. Have a good time.
Carl
May 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Schultz,
Is FSU’s of its value inflated if the Big 12 is more than happy to pay it $23M – $25M after it renegotiates it TV rights, and retain its Tier 3 rights in all sports?
Let’s put it another way – If FSU joins the Big 12, and the ACC’s 15-year contract goes from $3.6B (okay we will over inflate the ACC’s value) to say it would be as high as $3B over those same 15 years, then what is FSU’s value? ($600M / 15 yrs = $40M per year).
Honestly, do you really think the ACC would get $3B over 15 years without FSU?
Gary
May 14th, 2012
3:01 pm
Leave it to sports “insiders” to create a tempest in a teapot. I live right here in Tallahassee and work for FSU and this talk about jumping to the Big 12 is just that “talk”. No one here seriously believes the FSU will leave the ACC or even wants to. Its merely a negotiating balloon sent to ACC officials to let them know that FSU just wants to be treated fairly. You may have noticed that FSU does have a quality basketball program too and beat all of those Carolina basketball teams at least once in 2012 so they are not “just” a football school any more.
Dawg Haus
May 14th, 2012
3:02 pm
That’s a good way of looking at it, Jesse B. As a Georgia fan, I’d love to see the Noles in the SEC. I wish it would happen.
Tech82
May 14th, 2012
3:03 pm
Jesse – If FSU is the football powerhouse that their delusional fans think it is, why aren’t they dominating the ACC? For that matter, why aren’t they dominating their division in the ACC? If they are $2 million in the red how will they afford the $20 million buyout to leave the ACC (or $10 million if the Big 12 pays half as you suggest)?
If FSU and Miami were even HALF the football programs the ACC hoped they would be when they joined the conference, we wouldn’t be having this discussion because the ACC would have signed a much more lucrative TV deal.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
3:03 pm
The Big 12 was about to implode 8 months ago. Again, I’m stunned that FSU folks think this way.
As for paying the buyout, you’re forgetting the dynamics of WVU’s entry to the Big 12. The Big 12 needed them, so it worked. The Big 12 doesn’t need FSU.
Let’s just say y’all bolt. The Big 12 television deal is worth about $2M more per year than the ACC’s. That gets FSU’s athletic department back to even. Good luck finding the money to get out of the ACC. Your own president admitted as much about 20 minutes ago.
Here's the Beef
May 14th, 2012
3:04 pm
Last line in this snipit from the blog sez it all……this is the only reason they are grumbling @ FSU. “But the fact that the deal is back-loaded — it will take nine years before schools see a $17.1 million take – has some members grumbling, particularly Florida State, whose athletic department is facing a $2.4 million shortfall”
Carl
May 14th, 2012
3:04 pm
BTW: I am all for Clemson, GT, and Miami joining FSU in the Big 12. It is a travesty that FSU and GT were not put in the same division by the ACC.
Chris
May 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
FSU gettin beat right now over at Clemson is baseball 9-1 and lost Friday 7-2. They supposed to be #1 in baseball, but I guess Clemson aint chopped liver in baseball. Oh well, back to your discussion.
msd
May 14th, 2012
3:08 pm
FSU had their opportunity to be in the SEC and Bowden chickened out – did not want to have to play in a real conference with the big boys, so they went where they could be the bully and kick somome sand. Now they are complaining that no one else plays football in their chosen conference and they should get paid more. The funniest part is that they can’t even win their weak conference. You reap what you sow…..
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
3:08 pm
“make the ACC the unquestioned leader in basketball — and even more of a doormat in football.”
“The current ACC football schools (Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT)”
Again, it’s not the ACC’s fault that the perception is that the league is only getting stronger in basketball and not in football when 3 out of the 4 “football” schools have been less than stellar since the conference first expanded. If that foursome were producing two top 10 teams every season none of this would even be a topic of conversation. If any fans of the 3 non-Virginia Tech “football” schools are upset that the ACC has become even more of a basketball league at the expense of football, they need to take a good long look in the mirror.
Joe
May 14th, 2012
3:09 pm
In 20 years of being in the ACC not a single other ACC school has ever played for the National Title, nor had a Heisman Winner. You want to know what FSU is worth, go to a GT game when FSU comes to town and look around… then go to a GT game when they are hosting dook, maryland, nc state, bc, virginia, or even miami… You take away FSU and the ACC hasn’t played for a National Title or had a Heisman Winner in 20 years. With FSU they’ve got 2 of each. The ACC is almost Conference USA without FSU, take away Clemson it is on par with the sun belt…. FSU is the ACC, even in basketball!!!
Always a Jacket
May 14th, 2012
3:14 pm
Jeff hit the nail on the head. The ACC invited FSU and the U to beef up the ACC football resume and we see where that got the ACC. The ACC needs one or two great programs in the BCS mix each year. FSU and the U were to be those teams. Neither program has produced. Clemson, VT, then GT and UNC have been doing as well or better.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
3:15 pm
Joe,
You had me with you until your last sentence. Delusion at it’s finest!
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
3:15 pm
I just realized that FSU is 2-4 in their last six games against Wake Forest. Then they wonder why we don’t get paid as much as other conferences.
DelusiNoles
May 14th, 2012
3:16 pm
FSU fans have always been and still are some of the most delusional you’ll find anywhere. Get into a discussion with them and you’ll discover how inferior they feel and the amount of effort they give to “one-upping” even resorting to trying to convert moral victories into real ones. Their academics are no where close to what their neighbors in Gainesville’s are as an institution of higher learning but they’ll trash talk the SEC academics and UF’s as if they were Harvard. Their Athletic program as a whole can’t hold a candle to UF’s and what UF’s Athletic Department has accomplished in the last 25 years but they will tell you about a win against the Gators in baseball from 5 years ago or winning the ACC BBall tourney but not making the second rd of the Big Dance as some sort of proof their Athletic Program is better than UF’s. They are actually very entertaining to talk to if you really want to laugh about someone behind their back afterward.
Central GA Dawg
May 14th, 2012
3:17 pm
Really, Cody? So, you think that the Criminoles would dominate the SEC East, huh? FSU can’t even win their division in a much weaker conference. How old are you, scooter? Just learning about the game played with the oblong ball, huh?
GT
May 14th, 2012
3:18 pm
Maybe they are trying to get out of playing Miami who is loading up for the next few years. I see Miami as a top 10 teams in two years if not sooner.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
3:20 pm
The ACC is almost Conference USA without FSU, take away Clemson it is on par with the sun belt
This makes me wonder why FSU hasn’t won the conference in seven years.
GT
May 14th, 2012
3:21 pm
Central GA Dawg is right, I don’t even make those kinds of comments, Lord!
Tech82
May 14th, 2012
3:23 pm
Joe @3:09 wrote: “The ACC is almost Conference USA without FSU, take away Clemson it is on par with the sun belt…. FSU is the ACC, even in basketball!!!”
Joe – If FSU is that much better than the rest of the conference, why have they had so much trouble even making to the conference championship game – much less winning the conference. FSU was once a stellar program. That was in the past. They may rise again under Jimbo Fisher – we’ll see. But until then, FSU is mired in the mediocrity of the ACC.
UGA dreamers
May 14th, 2012
3:23 pm
Best from the east…go back to you lame SEC. Bunch of rednecks and dumb ass good ole boys.
Jacket Man
May 14th, 2012
3:25 pm
Jeff, you forgot to add that the Big 12 recently lost Texas A&M and Missouri to the SEC, Nebraska to the Big 10, and Colorado to the Pac 10, so FSU would be nothing more than table scraps (like West Virginia) to them if they decided to bolt. If that Conference was such a “catch,” why would so many rats be jumping ship?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
3:27 pm
UGA dreamers,
First of all, I’m a Gator…not a Dawg. Secondly, why not try and refute anything I’ve said about the Clown College’s jump to the ACC? You can’t can you?
Hey, we could loan you the $2.4 million to make up your budget shortfall, but we’d need more collateral than that erector set you call a football stadium. Not sure if it’s worth that amount!
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
3:29 pm
UGA dreamers
May 14th, 2012
3:23 pm
Best from the east…go back to you lame SEC. Bunch of rednecks and dumb ass good ole boys.
One ten win season since 2003 and UGA fans are dreamers?
Billy Ray Valentine......Capricorn
May 14th, 2012
3:30 pm
Some food for thought to the FSU academic detractors out there: FSU ranked #46 in the most recent US News ranking of public schools, compared with UF and UGA in the high teens and low 20’s. Schools in our ranking neighborhood included Miami U in Ohio, NC State, Mizzou, and Nebraska. That’s not terrible company to keep. FSU is not Harvard, nor is it GA Southern.
From 2005-09, three FSU students were awarded Rhodes Scholarships. No other public University could make that claim. FSU had a 2011 Rhodes finalist fall just short in the final round.
Bottom line, FSU’s academics have improved dramatically over the last 20 years (no way would I be admitted today), and anyone who denies that is as delusional as you claim FSU fans are about our football prowess.
As to the value of our brand, and the underpayment the ACC contract delivers, look at who gets the most views on TV for bowl games, regular season games, etc. It is FSU, regardless of our recent relative weakness in football. We have not been great during our lost decade, but most alumni think we’re headed in the right football direction. But, Jeff and Gator fans, never let facts stand in the way of a good story.
FSUBrave
May 14th, 2012
3:36 pm
schultz has some valid points, but we are certainly not inferior to UF..we need to start winning the conf a regular basis again….there is no reason we shouildn’t win the ACC 4 out of 5 years with the talent we have coming in now…no excuses…it is time to get it done on the grid iron
Eldrick
May 14th, 2012
3:36 pm
Georgia Tech is by far the worst football team in the ACC.
david
May 14th, 2012
3:37 pm
has inflated idea of self-worth = Jeff Schultz
SEC (see everyone cheats)
May 14th, 2012
3:37 pm
@Hey Beast..guess those last 2 years losses really sting don’t they??!! silly Gaytor..should have know.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
Georgia Tech is by far the worst football team in the ACC.
Well that is some insightful commentary.
GT
May 14th, 2012
3:39 pm
Talk is cheap today!
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
3:41 pm
This is from FSU’s own president. The reasons he presents for staying in the ACC are pretty compelling.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7929292/statement-florida-state-president-eric-barron-acc-alignment
Eldrick
May 14th, 2012
3:41 pm
Paul Johnson’s high school offense doesn’t even work in the ACC. Fact.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
3:52 pm
SEC,
Nah. I still have the memories of the previous 7 in a row. I suspect we’ll be back to our annual drubbing of the Semis this year. Have fun watching those epic battles against Duke, Wake, BC and the like!
Tod
May 14th, 2012
3:55 pm
There is one fact everyone is missing. FSU did not just elect to go to the ACC. We were an independent when the whole idea of the BCS came up surely to get left out of the NC game or any major bowl if we did not join a BCS Conference. The coaches, faculty, students, boosters and fans all expected twice now to be invited to the SEC and instead they invited teams they knew would not be competitive with Bama, LSU, UF, etc… It gets old to hear SEC fans say we couldn’t stand the heat in their kitchen when it would seem they are to chicken to take a chance on FSU.
Paddy
May 14th, 2012
3:57 pm
It must be the negotiator for the ACC in that tv deal. The ACC has better football numbers than the Big 12. One thing to remember is that 2/3 of the population lives East of the Mississippi. If they want to go let’em go. They are good again but not great! It may be a tough road for them out West!
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
3:57 pm
Uh, the SEC invited FSU, Tod.
The only real thing to take from your comment is that conference strength is cyclical.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
3:58 pm
Let em’ go. Their academics will fit right in with WVU and Texas Tech!! LOL
Tod
May 14th, 2012
3:59 pm
Please name me an SEC expansion school that has at least won the SEC in the last 20 years???
Sara
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
There is simply no ACC team that is a bigger television draw than FSU. Even when great, Clemson, Miami and VaTech just don’t even compare. Say what you want about FSU’s record over the last decade, but conference membership is mostly about the money and the fact is FSU has the biggest financial power of any team in the conference. Who could fault them for seeing if there’s a better deal to be had than the terrible one just negotiated by the ACC?
Besides, by your logic, why the hell did the SEC want Texas A&M?
SEC (see everyone cheats)
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
@Dan FSU is ranked higher academically than OU as well.
Columbus
May 14th, 2012
4:06 pm
I think Schultz has the wrong perspectiive on this one and FSU has plenty of leverage. I am a UGA fan, of course. Thats my 2 cents.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
4:07 pm
Ya, can’t wait to watch FSU vs. Kansas, FSU vs. Baylor, FSU vs. Iowa St.!! Ya, go ahead and go already!!
Tod
May 14th, 2012
4:08 pm
Gene the SEC has never “officially invited FSU to the SEC. Was the SEC interested yes but an official invitation has never been extended and in fact UF worked behind the scenes not wanting an instate school in the conference and has for years. UF even dropped UM from its schedule years ago.
ramblingbuzz
May 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
I’m…………totally confused!! Can we reach a consensus here?
February 1981
May 14th, 2012
4:11 pm
Can someone remind me again when was uga’s last national championship win? I think I wasn’t born yet.
Matt
May 14th, 2012
4:12 pm
Jeff, I usually enjoy your columns but your argument here is weak at best. It’s not performance that dictates this issue, it’s demand. While FSU’s program has been down, it still delivers a national audience (see ratings for their bowl games), and major state for ratings, and history. This is what made Texas A&M desirable to the SEC and Nebraska to the Big 10 despite similar performance issues.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
4:12 pm
“fact is FSU has the biggest financial power of any team in the conference.”
Biggest financial power? ($2.4 million shortfall)
Who could fault them for seeing if there’s a better deal to be had than the terrible one just negotiated by the ACC?
The argument is if there is a better deal to be had.
Bama Mike
May 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
FSU has had quality recruiting classes under Jimbo. Recruiting has never been a weakness as he was one of Saban’s best of if not the best recruiter on his staff at LSU. Question is can he coach them up. He has had a couple of really ugly losses each season which puts doubt in the minds of Seminoles. FSU a lot like Bama fans 8-4 and 9-3 not going to cut it when the expectations are 10+
ramblingbuzz
May 14th, 2012
4:15 pm
Schultzie….Did you read the link from George Stein? Perhaps all this jabber is premature.
Mike
May 14th, 2012
4:19 pm
FSU owned Florida (and the SEC) for many years until Bowden decided to overstay his welcome and ruin what was without question one of the top 3 programs in the country. Only when FSU fell from grace did UF gain some prestige. Don’t believe me? Look back at history — when both programs fielded strong teams it was the Noles that typically came out on top. With Jimbo at the helm, the Noles are back to their winning ways against the Gators and will soon be back at the top of the national polls.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
4:19 pm
Ya, can’t wait to watch FSU vs. Kansas, FSU vs. Baylor, FSU vs. Iowa St.!! Ya, go ahead and go already!!
Which is basically what it would be. All of the Texas teams are going to get lumped in together in a division and there is a decent chance Oklahoma and Oklahoma St get put into that division as well. So you are looking at the following:
Big 12 Texas Division: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Ok State
Big 12 Other Division: FSU, WVU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Unnamed team (Maybe Louisville)
Doesn’t that sound like a fun division?
Sara
May 14th, 2012
4:19 pm
The departure of FSU would hurt the ACC financially more than the loss of any other team. That is the biggest financial power. Also, didn’t Texas have to negotiate some sort of revenue-sharing deal with the other Big XII schools to keep Oklahoma from bolting to the Pac-10? With that sort of $ in play and the potential for renegotiation of TV rights if the conference expands with new teams, a Big XII TV deal could be a lot sweeter than the bad deal the ACC just negotiated. But my personal hunch is that this is all a ploy to garner an SEC invitation. Publicly flirt with the Big XII, make your availability known, hopefully get the invitation they really want.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
4:22 pm
If you really want a comprehensive history lesson, Tod, see this link.
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/051301/col_6160687.html
Gary
May 14th, 2012
4:22 pm
You guys just dont get it. This is a story in the eyes of Jeff Schulltz only. There is no fan outcry here in Tallahassee for FSU to leave and no way do we want to be a part of the Big Joke 12. This story is based on 2 disgruntled guys talking about a tv deal that Jeff has turned into FSU bashing to justify his paycheck and give him something to write about and you guys something to blog about. There is no news here, trust me.
SEC (see everyone cheats)
May 14th, 2012
4:26 pm
@Gaytor from the East..don’t think you will be beating anyone good soon including FSU
Matt
May 14th, 2012
4:26 pm
FSU to the SEC will never happen. UF would be the biggest loser if FSU joins the SEC. Just like they chickened out of playing Miami (FL) on an annual basis back in the mid-80’s, UF will do whatever it takes to keep FSU out of the SEC.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
4:27 pm
Mike,
When has FSU ever “owned” UF? I admit that Bowden did get the best of UF in the 90’s but was the record any different that what UF enjoyed over the Semis in the 2000’s?
1990-1999 FSU was 7-4-1 against UF
2000-2009 UF was 7-3 against FSU
Coach Dadgumit
May 14th, 2012
4:28 pm
If those kicks hadn’t gone “wide right” or was it “wide left” ? We’d be the Notre Dame of North FLorida dadgumit! Oh,oh,oh noooooooooo…
Kevin
May 14th, 2012
4:30 pm
Bobby Bowden didn’t want to have to play an SEc schedule. I believe his qoute in 1991 was something along the lines of “Why would I want to have to go to Tuscaloosa one week, athens the next, and then play somebody like Aunburn or LSU if you get in this champ. game they are talking about Dad gum we’re trying to win national titles here and that just makes it dang hard. We play Fla and miami every year as it is. That’s enough”
So, if the noles wouldn’t have been pu**ies back in the day they wouldn’t have this problem. They received an invite and turned it down before S.Car did. So suck it FSU.
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
4:32 pm
Beast,
Urban is well, thank you. He, his wife and several Buckeyes attended a Special Olympic event this weekend and afterwards watched his son play in a doubleheader.
Mike
May 14th, 2012
4:33 pm
Beast, in the past 25 years FSU is 15-11 against the Gators (a significant but not overwhelming stat). However, when BOTH teams fielded ranked teams, the Noles won an even larger share of games.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
4:33 pm
@Gary, I hope you are right. I’m not afraid to admit it either, the ACC is better with FSU in it.
I hope they stay.
My comments were geared towards some of the ACC bashers, and to some of the ‘nole fans who
already have left. (in their minds).
Lots for FSU to consider, I admit. However, is 2 or 3 million a year, going to make that big of a difference, if you have an in house spending problem???
How about FSU going to the Big 12 and not being able to compete?? Everyone assumes. Playing Texas, Oklahoma, TT, Ok St., WVU and TCU every year. What if they start going 5-7 and 6-6, no bowl game??
So, Gary, to you, seem like you have your head on straight. I freely admit, I want FSU to stay in the ACC!!!
But, if they’re gonna go, go, we’ll survive.
Good day to you sir!
Buckeye
May 14th, 2012
4:35 pm
Must admit – I do enjoy watching SEC!SEC! football – particularly Vandy and the Gamecocks.
Must admit – I do NOT watch ACC football. I’d rather root fot whoever is playing the dogs.
Carl
May 14th, 2012
4:36 pm
Kevin,
I have no idea where you got that from. Bobby wanted in the SEC in the worst way. As for the SEC schedule, Bama only played 2 teams in the top 25 last year, they were 1-1 against one of those teams (LSU).
Tod
May 14th, 2012
4:41 pm
Gene you put me through all of that reading (didn’t learn anything new) just to confirm what I said before. An “official”
invitation was never extended, the SEC was interested and UF didn’t want us in the same conference as them.
Carl
May 14th, 2012
4:41 pm
Dan,
If it were only $2-3M I would be in agreement with you. But, the Big 12 contract with FSU in it will likely be $5 – 8M more than the ACC. On top of that FSU would retain Tier 3 rights, which could easily be over $10M per year. That could be $30 – $35M combined. With the current whacky conference alignment of the ACC travel expenses wouldn’t be much more in the Big 12, especially if GT, UM, and Clemson were to follow.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
4:41 pm
Sorry meant George
SawThat1nce
May 14th, 2012
4:42 pm
I don’t know why I read, or why I am commenting, about any of this, as I don’t care about any of this.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
4:42 pm
I didn’t force you to do anything.
Who cares if it wasn’t official? FSU was being recruited.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
4:43 pm
I could not imagine being an FSU fan and wanting to join the Big 12. Your own president has already stated that additional travel expenses would exceed 2.9 million. There not one benefit that I can think of in being a big 12 member.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
4:44 pm
On top of that FSU would retain Tier 3 rights, which could easily be over $10M per year.
This is laughable.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
4:45 pm
It’s the idea of something new, Vulture. That’s it.
If you analyze this rationally, it’s difficult to make a move make sense.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
4:46 pm
With the current whacky conference alignment of the ACC travel expenses wouldn’t be much more in the Big 12, especially if GT, UM, and Clemson were to follow.
The FSU president said today that the estimated travel increases would be more then 2.9 million. Also, you need to learn more about Tier 3 rights if you think FSU would make 10 million more then in the ACC.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
4:49 pm
George I am not going to debate you. They were never officially or unofficially invited to the SEC. One presentation was made by the SEC (no invite) but the SEC was so arrogant they didn’t pursue FSU the way the ACC did. If I was wrong I would admit it but I guess you still want to stand by your original statement.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
Personally I hope they stay in the ACC but for selfish reasons. I like to go to a few away games and joining the Big 12 would make that impossible
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
I’m not debating here, Tod, because there’s nothing to debate. If FSU wanted to join the SEC 20 years ago, they could have. I’m not making any judgments on the merits of the decision. End of discussion.
Mr.Football
May 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
Jeff…Worry about Ga and Ga tech.Fsu has a better fan base and will win the national championship before this too teams (ga schools)…back to you jeff!
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
4:53 pm
Mike,
So 15-11 is “owning”? By your logic, UF currently “owns” FSU, as they’re 7-2 over the last 9 games. I would call it a pretty close rivalry over the past 20 years.
Labyrinth
May 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
William Satterwhite @ 2:14 p.m. “… and if they believe moving on to become the eastern outpost flunkies for Texas and Oklahoma is a solution, they’ll have another thing coming.”
It’s “another think coming”, William.
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
“If it were only $2-3M I would be in agreement with you. But, the Big 12 contract with FSU in it will likely be $5 – 8M more than the ACC. On top of that FSU would retain Tier 3 rights, which could easily be over $10M per year. That could be $30 – $35M combined. With the current whacky conference alignment of the ACC travel expenses wouldn’t be much more in the Big 12, especially if GT, UM, and Clemson were to follow”
1st, FSU’s cut out of the Big 12 would not be 5 to 8 million than their cut out the ACC’s deal- one thing people are not accounting for is that the Big 12’s per school pay out is only projected to be higher because the conference only has 10 schools right now. In order to project that kind of benefit you have to determine just how much additional value the addition of Florida St and one other school would provide.
2nd, Tier 3 rights at best only account for 1 football game, women’s basketball and Olympic sports- no one school outside of Texas can command that kind of money for Tier 3 media rights- there is a reason why they are Tier 3 to begin with. The Big 10 and Pac 12 (and the SEC down the line) understand this perfectly, outside of the unique case of Texas those Tier 3 rights provide the most value when bundled together with all the conference schools in order to create a package that has value outside of an individual school’s home state.
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
5:05 pm
“It’s “another think coming”, William.”
Either way, it won’t be pretty.
Kevin
May 14th, 2012
5:06 pm
Carl,
Seems to me that Arkansas was a top 10 team last yr?? Bama played them. I’m sure of that. Read the link from the article, bowden decided to go ACC, he changed his mind.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:06 pm
I guess George has trouble admitting a statement he made earlier was WRONG. Now the discussion is over.
Joey
May 14th, 2012
5:07 pm
Wow, Beast from the East, I never knew you could actually debate an opponent’s fan – you usually just lob a few insults (yeah, the same ones everytime). Guess you get a little more passionate about FSU.
George Stein makes the best points of this debate, though. And yes, George, the SEC invited FSU before SC.
It is a fact, and also a fact that Bowden himself vetoed it.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:11 pm
UF wins all 3 All Sports Trophies in the SEC….again!
Now, if we can just get the football program back to the levels we’ve become accustomed to over the past 20 years, then life will be good!
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:12 pm
Someone needs to show me proof the SEC invited FSU either offically or unofficially because it NEVER happened. Just because you say it did doesn’t make it true. Yes they were recruited but never invited.
Mike
May 14th, 2012
5:13 pm
Beast, ok I won’t quibble over the meaning of “owning,” but suffice it to say that FSU has been the victor more often than not over the past 25 years. As for years when BOTH teams were ranked, FSU leads 10-7-1. Still a hard pill to swallow for die-hard Gator fans.
PS–The lone tie is the famous Choke at Doak in 94.
Mike
May 14th, 2012
5:13 pm
Like it or not, FSU is a catch. They are still a big name program. Moving to the Big 12 might be the shot in the arm they need. It will open up Texas recruiting and ditch the stigma that has become the ACC. Face it, the ACC gets no respect. They would likely be in the SEC except UF would never allow it. UF hangs that SEC banner over all other schools in the state. Big 12 certainly looks better than ACC. The real question is, would they want to joing the Big 12 with Texas and OU getting the highest revenue share?
Mike S.
May 14th, 2012
5:14 pm
need to qualify the name here haha:
Like it or not, FSU is a catch. They are still a big name program. Moving to the Big 12 might be the shot in the arm they need. It will open up Texas recruiting and ditch the stigma that has become the ACC. Face it, the ACC gets no respect. They would likely be in the SEC except UF would never allow it. UF hangs that SEC banner over all other schools in the state. Big 12 certainly looks better than ACC. The real question is, would they want to joing the Big 12 with Texas and OU getting the highest revenue share?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:15 pm
“Guess you get a little more passionate about FSU.”
Joey,
Kind of like UGA and GT. UF’s in-state rival that has become quite the hated little brother over the years. We can thank Bowden for that, as the Semis weren’t much of anything before he arrived. Gotta give him props for building a top program from absolutely nothing.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:18 pm
“UF hangs that SEC banner over all other schools in the state.”
And what is wrong with that? If the shoe was on the other foot, then FSU wouldn’t do the same thing?
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
5:18 pm
“That left Florida State, Miami and South Carolina vying for the second invitation. Florida State was clearly the SEC’s first choice. The major roadblock was scheduling. On August 3, Bobby Bowden admitted to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “I like to win games, and I can’t think of a tougher place to do that than the SEC.” Under the proposed division alignment, Florida State would face Florida, Auburn and Alabama every year, which raised objections from FSU Athletic Director Bob Goin. “Most conferences have got two really strong programs,” Bowden continued, “but top to bottom there isn’t one close to the SEC.” Another report, by Mark Maske of the Washington Post, suggested Florida State refused to be in the same conference as Florida because the Gators “once fostered an SEC blackballing of the Seminoles.” In 2001, a Florida Times-Union retrospective quoted a FSU booster as saying, “There was quite a bit of feeling that we didn’t want to be entrapped; a feeling that among some fans that if we go into [the SEC]…we’d be kind of a stepchild.”
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:19 pm
And the Gators were never anything in SEC football for decades until they hired Charlie Pell after he got busted at Clemson.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:25 pm
Tod,
That’s fairly true. We (UF) emjoyed some big wins from time to time, but never any championships. Everyone points to SOS for UF’s success, but Pell brought in the athletes to compete with anyone. Unfortunatley, he liked to break the rules a little too much.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
5:25 pm
The real question is, would they want to joing the Big 12 with Texas and OU getting the highest revenue share?
Revenue sharing is equal in the Big 12 now.
Bob
May 14th, 2012
5:25 pm
Any Gator care to comment about UF dropping Miami (FL) as an annual rivalry back in the 80’s? Still one of the most cowardly acts I’ve seen from a major college program. The excuse was the typical “our schedule doesn’t permit” line of BS. Of course, they found time to schedule high school teams, and in the greatest of ironies, even found time to schedule Miami (OH) a few years ago.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
5:27 pm
@Carl, you may be right. From what I’ve read, Tier 3 rights, that the school has, boils down to games like, FSU vs Elon, FSU vs. Savannah St. etc. etc. in football.
Same with hoops, the garbage games that no one else wants.
Again, I may be wrong, but, if that’s the case, I can’t see any 10m windfall coming.
Bob
May 14th, 2012
5:29 pm
Miami is the real King in the state of Florida. We were winning national championships before UF won the SEC. I admit we have a knack for dumb recruiting violations, but when we’re on, no one beats us. Not to mention, who in their right mind would prefer Gainesville/Tallahassee over South Beach?
Miami–5 rings
Florida–3 rings
FSU–2 rings
Dan
May 14th, 2012
5:29 pm
p.s. not taking a shot at FSU’s schedule, everyone has them! Just used those schools as an example.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
5:30 pm
“2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin – I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.”
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
Here is a pretty thorough breakdown of what each level of media rights cover- http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/third-tier-rights-defined-perspective-on-their-value/
William Satterwhite
May 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
Here is a pretty thorough breakdown of what each level of media rights cover- http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/third-tier-rights-defined-perspective-on-their-value/
Dan
May 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
How come no one in the SEC ever talks about Ole Miss, Miss St., Vanderbilt, Kentucky or Tennessee??
Paddy
May 14th, 2012
5:32 pm
Mr. Football…..better fan base than UGA?????? They could not sell out their stadium this past year. FSU has a problem just recently with selling their product. They should get it corrected. Jimbo is a good coach but something not right now is missing with that program.
SEC (see everyone cheats)
May 14th, 2012
5:38 pm
@Beast from the East…you said 7 in a row over FSU..it was 6 dumbass..also have fun watching UF fall down to the gutter with Mushchump..it’s going to be fun watching you fall and UGA and FSU beating you arrogant lizards every year for a long time…
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
5:39 pm
Tell me again why FSU would benefit from joining the Big 2 and little chicks. That conference is vying with the Big East for self-immolation honors. The Big East would be more convenient for FSU in terms of travel. Wait…why not stay with the ACC?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:39 pm
Bob,
Miami bought every one of those titles. Watch the ESPN special on The U. They will never return to their “glory days”. Too small of a fan base to ever have the facilities, support, etc that it takes to sustain a championship level program. They will always be competeitive just because of the fertile recruiting grounds, but they now have to compete with FAU, FIU and USF for those recruits that just fell in their lap in the 80’s. Let me know when they scrape up enough money to build their own stadium.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
5:39 pm
@Vulture, excellent. Only a few of the words from the statement released by FSU president.
FSU, you’re not going anywhere.
GTBob
May 14th, 2012
5:41 pm
They could not sell out their stadium this past year. FSU has a problem just recently with selling their product.
Yep. They only sold out two games last year. Not playing any teams within 850 miles is going to hurt that even more.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:42 pm
criticism of FSU’s schedule is pretty baseless when you look at who we have scheduled out of conference over the years. #1 We didn’t drop Miami probably costing us at least 3 national titles. Oklahoma home and home 2010/2011. 7 games vs LSU the 1st 6 at LSU the last a home game they cancelled, ND, OSU, USC, Pitt (when they had Marino and Dorsett), Nebraska, etc…. I could go on. Yes our 1st game is usually a warm up but so are most ranked teams.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
5:43 pm
“Four days after spurning Florida State, Kramer met with Miami, one of the two remaining expansion candidates. South Carolina’s trustees had preemptively voted to accept an SEC invitation should one come. Miami was decidedly less enthused. Unlike the mostly public universities in the SEC, Miami was a private school that drew its student body in large numbers from the same geographic area as the Big East. Miami officials were also more interested in using Big East membership to improve its fledgling basketball program.”
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
Chadd Scott, very smart guy. Andy Haggard, not as smart as Merle.
Dan
May 14th, 2012
5:49 pm
Tod, not sure if you’re referring to me, or someone further up the post.
I went out of my way to say, those schools were just examples to show what tier 3 games are.
Yes, everyone has cupcakes, agree. FSU’s schedule is usually pretty good.
Ok, you got Duke and BC this year, well, weren’t they sold out in the 90’s even for crap
conference teams then?? Weren’t they sold out for even the cupcakes then???.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
SEC,
You’re correct, it was 6 in a row. I guess I lost track after that many consecutive wins. Keep wishing that UF won’t be back on top. Maybe you’ll actually believe it if you try hard enough.
Bob
May 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
Beast, no comment on UF dropping the Canes back in the 80’s? I can hear you now with that southern Gainesville drawl: “Momma, tell him to stop.”
Felix
May 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
FSU is an average football program in the ACC and, as far as their footballers go, below par academically.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Dan I wasn’t referring to you others seem to have the notion that FSU is scared to schedule quality opponents which is simply not true. If anything UF’s 1st two games every year are a joke and really hurt their strength of schedule. Every conference has their patsies inconference so unless the ACC and SEC patsies play each other we will never know who has the better 1-10 team lol
Felix
May 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Didn’t Wake Forest go to Tallahassee a couple of years ago and blow them out?
SEC (see everyone cheats)
May 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
@Beast from the East..”Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt”..see you in Doak since you are so confident you will win..lol
Texas_Fighter
May 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
I’m a UT Alumnus. You are goddamn crazy if you think we bluebloods don’t consider FSU in our ranks. They at least match the prestige of Nebraska.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Moronic idea. The SEC gladly accepted Texas A&M and Missouri in large part because they are AAU members (those academic prestige things matter very much to presidents.) The Big 12 accepted West Virginia, but even they drew the line on Louisville. Who is the better for it? The SEC by a long shot. FSU is a Space Grant university among other things, but that space aspect is dwindling with NASA’s budget. Why would FSU aspire to be among the Oklahoma States, Iowa States and Kansas States of the university world? Just doesn’t make sense.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Expanding on my last post, the SEC now has four AAU members: Vanderbilt, Florida, Texas A&M and Missouri. I expect that Georgia will be invited in a few years, as the endowment now is about $750 million.
Bob
May 14th, 2012
6:07 pm
Texas_Fighter, you’d better like the Noles…it took one (Mack Brown) to get you a national championship a few years ago.
Jimbutt Fisher is a whacko
May 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
A big time program doesn’t have a $2.4 million shortfall….then again FSWho isn’t big time.
Them and Miami wimped out years ago by joining the ACC. And they can’t even rule that pansy conference.
Carl
May 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
Kevin,
You are right, Arkansas was a top 25 team. That is the only other team besides LSU that Bama played, which as I said they played them twice. They were 2-1 against top 25 teams. Incidentally, LSU was 5-1 against top 25 teams.
Carl
May 14th, 2012
6:20 pm
Tier 3 also includes re-runs of games. Long/short, there is a way to market everything together to make over $10M per year.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
“1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball — there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women’s basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.”
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
6:25 pm
SEC,
I’ll be there. Win or lose it’s always Great to be a Florida Gator!
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
6:30 pm
Bob,
UF dropped “Da U” when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and went to an 8 game schedule. At the time, we were all still playing an 11 game schedule, so the decision was made to keep playing FSU and drop Miami. UF and UGA both have the problem of the annual game in Jax that leaves one less home game every other year. Why would UF lose a home game every other year to continue playing “Da U”? Do you have any idea how much money that would cost? I know you Canes miss that game because it was the only time you had a packed house (50% Gator fans), but I don’t miss that dump of a stadium that sits in the middle of “Da Hood”.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:31 pm
What preferential treatment would FSU expect to get in the Big 12? Being on a 3rd-tier broadcast of a UT game in Texas only?
NF311
May 14th, 2012
6:38 pm
UGA hasn’t won a title in over 30 years. FSU has won 2 in that time. UGA hasn’t even played for one recently. Inflated sense of worth certainly applies to those ‘necks more than FSU
Tod
May 14th, 2012
6:42 pm
Beast your argument for dropping UM has a few valid points BUT who were your 1st two games last year, the year before, this year? BTW the Orange Bowl has been torn down. Are you playing for a NC or wins over teams that don’t stand a chance. Strength of schedule for the BCS was given less weight when certain AD’s and coaches objected. … The regular season for all ranked teams needs to be better. I am tired of being unable to watch games because TV refuses to broadcast them and rightfully so.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
DeLoss Dodds says to Kirk Bohls of the Austin American Statesman: “They’re a long ways away,” Dodds told me. In distance or prospects of joining the Big 12, I asked. “Both,” he said. “There’s no traction” on this story, Dodds said. “There’ve been no conversations between Florida State and the Big 12.”
As we know by now, however, ADs can also say stupid stuff, disagreeing with their bosses. Case in point, the FSU AD on this topic.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:44 pm
Now there is an idea: FSU and the University of Georgia swap conferences.
THE MAN
May 14th, 2012
6:46 pm
FSU = UGA
The most delusional fans in college football and maybe in all of the sporting world. At least FSU has won a title in the last 20 years. It has been over 30 for UGA and they will be lucky to win one in the next 30 years. Your teams aren’t that good. Get over yourselves
Tech Engineer
May 14th, 2012
6:48 pm
Bye, Bye FSU. The ACC can now upgrade its standing in the academic world. I was always disappointed that FSU hurt the ACC’s academic reputation. They have been good to improve the won loss records of other ACC schools. Now the ACC can add a school that is not SEC quality in academics like FSU. I would like to see the military academies join the ACC. Tech playing at West Point would be a thrill.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
6:50 pm
Living in the past is just that.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:51 pm
Beast – I may be misreading something. Are you being accused of being a Georgia fan?
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
Delbert,
If you’re on here enough, you get accused of just about anything and everything.
woof
May 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
UGA beats FSWho when they play….bite on them apples
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
6:57 pm
Beast – I think he’s referring to me. Must be a new guy.
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May 14th, 2012
7:08 pm
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Nole-Energy
May 14th, 2012
7:13 pm
This blog is a joke right? Your final line “Leverage comes with winning something.” says (or doesn’t say) it all.
You have the gonads to call yourself a sports blogger? Do you know anything about what’s been happening in college football the past few years?
Somehow, despite not winning crap, teams like aTm and Mizou “leveraged” their way into better deals with a far flung conference. So did Colorado and Nebraska. Pitt Syracuse ring a bell? When was the last time they were relevant??
Your logic is so uninformed and misplaced, it’s really hard to know where to start. Do you know anything about TV ratings and how they drive $$$? Do you know where FSU stands in those ratings? A lot of people still tune in to our games, despite the recent downturn. Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan can all say the same.
We are still a national brand and if we can make more money for our school because of it, we damn sure better do it. That’s all the logic that’s needed.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:16 pm
Well said Energy!
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:18 pm
The “Free Shoes” branding will last a long time, that’s for sure.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:21 pm
Please Delbert if you want to go in the gutter was it 106 or 110 violations by Charley Pell a coach they hired to cheat. Our coaches knew nothing about the shoes. The college football WORLD knew why Pell got hired. Shall we move onto basketball violations???
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
7:21 pm
Nole-Energy,
IF FSU can get a better deal elsewhere, then they should absolutely do it. But keep in mind that your administration already made a bad move by joining the ACC instead of the SEC 20 years ago. I would think a move to a conference that was almost non-existent 8 months ago needs to be researched a little more before all of you jump ship. The grass is NOT always greener.
Parade of Knuckleheads
May 14th, 2012
7:23 pm
Jimbo needa a ‘ coach in waiting ‘
breathing down his neck.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:26 pm
Tod – I’m no fan of Charley Pell, that’s for sure. I also think Bobby Bowden stayed much too long, hurting the program. Year before last, I was watching a Florida State game, and the ‘Noles kicked a field goal in the 2nd quarter. Bowden turned to the coach next to him and clearly said, “What’s his name?”
cupcakes and more cupcakes
May 14th, 2012
7:31 pm
FSU opens the season with two powerhouse opponents this year,
Murray State and Savannah State.
Anybody need tickets?
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:36 pm
Murray is on the Heisman Watch for 2012. I didn’t know they had renamed the university after him, though.
Vulture
May 14th, 2012
7:37 pm
Nole-Energy
Do you know where FSU stands in those ratings?
No, do you?
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
7:38 pm
Far too rational, Beast.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
7:40 pm
Sorry, George. I forget my role from time to time.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:41 pm
Sorry Delbert but the Spurrier created Free Shoes carp bothers me. Under Bowden the Noles never had NCAA violations the coaches actually knew about. While Bowden may have stayed to long he turned a 2nd rate stadium and campus into one to be envied by many others. Just another tidbit only 2 coaches had winning records against Spurrier while while he was at UF guess which 2…….. Cupcakes who did FSU play in the 2nd game last year? Besides Savannah State was a replacement for a cancellation.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:47 pm
Look, DeLoss Dodds is dead set against expansion beyond 10, and Texas will get their way, as usual. With the playoffs coming (probably for 2013), Dodds does not want a conference championship game. Unless Mack Brown’s boys continue their turkey-like performance on the field, that means beat Oklahoma, and they are in the playoff.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
Do we really want to go into the 1st 2 games UF schedules ok here goes oh never mind this is just a dumb pissing match. They did play Miami in 2010 1st game to bad they were from Ohio smh
Saban Never Sleeps
May 14th, 2012
7:51 pm
Don’t buy cable. If you buy cable your son will see Bama win the NC and dominate the SEC.. If Bama dominates the SEC then other SEC teams will use TV money to recruit harder and improve faciliies.. If other SEC teams improve facilities and recruit harder then ACC teams will suffer..Your son will now see Jumbo Fisher and FSU admiinstration whine like losers. Dont be a loser.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:52 pm
UF 2009 Charleston Southern and Troy
2010 Miami (OH) and USF
2011 Fla Atlantic and UAB
Thats 3 straight years of no bodies
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:53 pm
Tod – No denying the facts. Bowden built that program from virtually nothing. A good quarterback can bring them back to life, and the ‘Noles frankly have not had that since Weinke.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
7:58 pm
I have little doubt that Alabama will win the SEC, which really means winning the West, unless locusts, frogs and other apocalyptic signs appear before the game in the Georgia Dome. The likely game against the USC Trojans (always have to clarify which ones here in the south) might be interesting.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
Oh and I almost forgot UF plays Louisianna Rajun Cajuns and and Jacksonville State with the 10th and 11th games this year. They shouldn’t be allowed in a bowl game for playing 4 HS teams in the same season. I guess they are hoping to get in some practice before playing FSU 12th. Someone please show me a Nationally known team that plays an out of conference schedule that weak.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:02 pm
Delbert I liked Weinke but he messed up our rotation. We always had QB’s before him sit 2 years and play 2 years. Weinkes 4 years hurt recruiting at the position.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
8:06 pm
Tod – With Greg Reid and the other talent on defense, stopping people should not be a real problem. The offense has to get something done.
KG
May 14th, 2012
8:06 pm
Jeffy – where do I start? First off, speaking of inflated sense of worth, you haven’t done anything/wrote anything since the year of 2000, but people still read your material. You need to do more research before you open your can/break out the typewriter. Second, FSU is one of the most viewed teams on TV($$$) – year after year. As a matter of fact, go check the Wall Street Journal for that – it is well documented. Third, FSU is consistently in the top 5 for the Sears Directors Cup which recognizes on-field achievement in both men and womens sports. Finally, the 20 years marriage with the ACC appears to be over. When we joined 20 years ago, we helped them with their football image and they helped us with our academic/basketball image. So much so that FSU won the ACC basketball championship here in Atlanta a few months ago. The issue now is that it has become painfully obvious that we are what we are – a football school. We are not known for basketball like Duke or North Carolina nor are we known for our academic prowess like UVA or Wake Forest. We have a national brand known for football and football only. We are simply trying to align ourselves with similar institutions that think like us and share the same values.
230gr Full Metal Jacket
May 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
Who cares if FSU leaves the ACC??? They bring NOTHING to the table and have had ZERO positive impact on the conference since they joined. They say it’s not a “football conference”? Newsflash semenholes: The level of football has not changed since before you joined and it won’t be diminished by your departure. You have been for over a decade, and still are, irrelevant athletically — and you are an absolute embarassment to the ACC academically. Actually, we should all encourage FSU to take their ball and move on to whatever conference will have them — then fill the position with someone who actually has something to offer to the conference other than bubble-headed bleach blonde coeds!!! Hey FSU: Don’t let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya!!!!!!!!
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
Chris Rix didn’t help, either, Tod.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
8:09 pm
Tod,
Every major program plays patsies. Even your beloved Semis. Heck they get to do within the conference. Duke and BC ring a bell? Honestly, I don’t like the steady diet of patsies for non-conference games, but I am capable of understanding the reasoning. Maybe if the administration at FSU understood it, they wouldn’t be facing a $2.4 million deficit.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:12 pm
George Rix had talent he just was off in his decision making threw bullets when he should put some air under it and visa versa. EJ Manuel is good but we had 4 freshman and 1 Jr on the O line after playing OU because of injuries in that game, Give EJ time he is a very big strong QB I think has a shot in the NFL because he is a legit threat to run or throw. Hopefully the O line stays healthy the defense I have no concerns about.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:15 pm
Does Vandy, Ole Miss ring a bell?
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
KG – Give it all up to join Texas and Oklahoma? Not a good move. Didn’t Florida State make the NCAA tournament in all qualifying sports last season? Throw that away to join UT and Oklahoma, who very likely would have been accepted into the PAC-14 last year if it weren’t for the baggage of Oklahoma State. Texas Tech was UT’s albatross.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
The issue with non-conference games is that there isn’t really any incentive to play them anymore. The voters overvalue the undefeated season above everything else. Unless or until they actually analyze the substance of a team’s schedule, the non-conference games will continue to degenerate.
Rix was also victimized by the Jeff Bowden era, Tod, and his penchant for parking in handicapped spots (which, I suppose, one could argue he was).
Tdawg
May 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
1980’s baby! Liar. Georgia fan’s aren’t gloating about anything. We aren’t the ones on here crying about jumping to some other conference because our football program hasn’t been relevant in over 10 years and the rest of the ACC won’t kiss your arse anymore.
Having said that, the Big 12. Are you kidding me? Why not seek membership in the SEC? Preferably in the SEC East. Would love to add at least 1 more team to each division, 2 would be even better.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:17 pm
I don’t know why BC keeps getting mentioned as a patsy. Isn’t Matt Ryan starting for the Falcolns and has been since he was a rookie. Who was the last UF Qb to start the NFL as a rookie?
KG
May 14th, 2012
8:18 pm
Full Metal Jacket – you and Jeffy must be cut from the same idiotic cloth. FSU has won two national championships in football and a few in other sports since joining the ACC. You say they bring nothing but I say they bring everything. Everything that is relevant that is. Not only did we beat Notre Dame this year in a sold out bowl game, we also won the ACC Championship in basketball. And oh yeah btw – we have the #1 baseball team in the country. Some of you amaze me with the bull-ish that you come with, without doing research.
Bob
May 14th, 2012
8:20 pm
Beast, typical Gator spewing the “scheduling” argument. Truth be told, UF couldn’t stand losing to the Canes on an annual basis so they dropped them like a bunch of sissies. Funny how Bama and others in the SEC find time to play away games against big out of conference teams, but UF hasn’t left the state since 1991 to play an out of conference game (a Syracuse stomping of the Gators, by the way).
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:21 pm
FSU is a good program, KG. I hope y’all don’t leave. However, if y’all get a better deal from the B12, no one could begrudge y’all for leaving. I just don’t think the B12 is all some think it is.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:21 pm
George I could understand 2 out of conference patsies but 4? Mark my words playing 2 that late in the season and I see them dropping in the polls even after wins because someone else will be playing a real team and win and the voters are going to look at the Rajun Cajuns and J state and go wtf???
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:22 pm
Don’t have a dog in this fight, Bob, but Florida plays y’all every year. Bama plays a max of one difficult non-conference game, same as the Gators.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:23 pm
I wish you were right, Tod. I just think the voters are mostly idiots, and they’ll see 12-0 and presume that means more than 11-1.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
8:24 pm
Vandy is on the rise. Ole Miss…not so much. BC doesn’t take football any more serious than Duke does. Neither one will ever be able to retain a quality coach because they won’t pay them to stay. In this day and age, you have to pay through the nose to lure/retain a top notch coach.
Besides, what exactly has Matt Ryan accomplished in the NFL? Success in college doesn’t translate to success in the NFL for the vast majority of QB’s. Ask Charile Ward if you don’t believe me.
KG
May 14th, 2012
8:27 pm
Delbert – yes. To hell with the ACC. To be clear, we have seen our best days in the ACC. Again – we are a football school first. I would love to be in the SEC but that won’t happen. The next best thing is the Big 12, especially with Texas, Oklahoma and Okie State. BTW – if/when we leave, we won’t go alone. Count on at least 2 other teams to bolt from the ACC – trust me on this one. The ACC will counter with adding freaking Rutgers and UCONN. If these new additions don’t tell the story, I don’t know what will….
Tod
May 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
Charlie never tried to play in the NFL
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
8:31 pm
Tod,
That’s because he knew where he could earn a paycheck. You missed the whole point. Try Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, etc.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:33 pm
Wrong attitude, KG. Go where you get the best deal. That probably will be the ACC.
If you think you’re gonna see Texas and Oklahoma very often, I think you’ll find yourself pretty disappointed.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
8:34 pm
That’s because he knew where he could earn a paycheck.
Isn’t this where a Florida fan would say FSU paid him very generously while he was in Tallahassee?
docsbro
May 14th, 2012
8:38 pm
I say let ‘em go. They really haven’t added anything. Not exactly what we signed up for.
Tdawg
May 14th, 2012
8:38 pm
Funny thing you Nole fans bashing Dawg fans. When was the last time FSU won the AlmostCluelessConference? I see that you Nole’s are still living on the glory of teams over 10 years ago. I will not brag on my dawgs until they at least win the SEC, both sides of the SEC. The Bama fans are under the delusion that the Tide will win the SEC again. Can’t wait to see the looks on their faces when they drop 3 or 4 games.
Brian
May 14th, 2012
8:41 pm
Yeah Mizzou can get away with it but FSU can’t. Dumbass.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
8:42 pm
Beast – In fact, BC fired a head coach simply for interviewing for another job.
Tdawg
May 14th, 2012
8:45 pm
KG why is FSU and the SEC a no go? I don’t think the SEC is through expanding just yet. May have to wait a year or two, but if FSU were to apply one would have to think they would be first in line when expansion happens again.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
8:48 pm
KG – “Again – we are a football school first.”
The various parties at Florida State have been in confused disagreement with each other on that for the past few days. The board of regents, AD, the coach and the president. I think that it is going to turn out that Florida State is a university first, and the ACC has it all over the Big 12(10) in that regard.
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Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
8:54 pm
Tdawg – Don’t be to sure about that. Of the aspirers/applicants last year, including WVU, Louisville, East Carolina and Memphis the SEC selected two prestigious academic schools who are members of the AAU. That resulted in *doubling* the number of SEC AAU members.
Warnell Dawg
May 14th, 2012
8:54 pm
As a south GA Dawg fan that grew up 40 minutes from Tallahassee, I can tell you from personal experience that FSU fans are THE DEFINITION of “over-inflated self-worth.” They rag on UGA all the time about “living in the past,” yet not a single one of them can accept the fact that FSU’s “glory days” of dominating the pathetic ACC and having an easy road the BCS/NC games year after year are over. And if you ever wanna see an FSU fan’s head explode, bring up SEC football dominance and/or the fact that FSU punked out over joining the SEC when they had the chance back in the day. They have a LIST of conspiracy theories for both of those topics.
NolesRulesTheNest
May 14th, 2012
8:57 pm
If many of you feel that FSU is so overrated, it shouldn’t be a problem when we leave.
KG
May 14th, 2012
8:58 pm
Delbert – it’s not confusion. Its strategic manuevering – trust me. Do you really think that the Chairman of the Board of Trustees came out with this “dis-satisfaction” without it being calculated? No – that didn’t happen. These events were planned in advance.
KG
May 14th, 2012
9:01 pm
TD – the SEC is off limits based on Slive’s comments about only wanting to tap into new markets for expansion purposes. I can see them tapping on Va Tech’s shoulder once we bolt.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
9:06 pm
And I can see VT ignoring that tap.
Pink Pony
May 14th, 2012
9:07 pm
FSU is afraid to join the SEC always has been.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
9:09 pm
KG – He was dissatisfied then and now, and he probably will remain dissatisfied. I makes no sense to me for Florida State to move into the Big 12(10) for football, money and certainly not national prestige, considering who the remnants of that conference are.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
9:14 pm
VT is not going anywhere, I don’t think. They are competitive in the ACC almost every year in football. Frank Beamer is that program. He’s going to be 66 this Fall.
John Greene
May 14th, 2012
9:15 pm
Come on down FSU! I would like nothing better to see than the ACC fall apart.
KG
May 14th, 2012
9:15 pm
Delbert – it’s all about the greeny green($$$$) brother. The ACC doesnt have it and the Big 12 appears to have plenty of it. It is quite simple. If we dont have $$$, we can no longer compete with the big boys. We have been down in football but if we dont bolt soon, we will stay down for the duration – years to come.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
9:17 pm
VT isn’t going anywhere unless UVA goes with them, Delbert.
KG
May 14th, 2012
9:23 pm
VT will bolt for the SEC – as any smart institution would. C’mon Delbert, who are we fooling here. If they receive an invite, this will not be about Beamer, nor should it be. The decision to join the SEC is much bigger than Beamer. FSU fired Bowden and he won 2 national championships – 2 more than Beamer. Penn State fired Paterno and he was TRULY Penn State. In the grand scheme of things as it involves millions of dollars, Beamer means nothing to Va Tech. If they leave, his feelings shouldn’t be considered nor should they be as it would be a business decision.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
9:26 pm
KG – I’ve been around long enough to know that it is not all about the bucks from football, and it will be less so in the future. People are increasingly PO’d about the operation of a semi-professional sporting enterprise under the auspices of a university.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
9:28 pm
This should be obvious, but you have no clue what you’re talking about, KG.
sports
May 14th, 2012
9:28 pm
FSU should leave as soon as possible, and take Miami and Virginia Tech went you. The ACC is weak and stupid conference, wanting to give all the money contracts to the Carolina schools. The ACC belongs in Division 2 ball anyway…everyone knows that!!!
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
9:29 pm
“Isn’t this where a Florida fan would say FSU paid him very generously while he was in Tallahassee?”
Not this Florida fan. I’ve never seen any evidence of FSU paying players. Besides, Charlie Ward was always a good guy. Hated him one day a year. He and Warrick Dunn had our number one forgetful Saturday in November. Both were solid students, players and people. I-10 isn’t the only good thing to come out of Tallahassee despite what most Gators will tell you.
KG
May 14th, 2012
9:30 pm
Be more specific George. No clue about what specifically? Please share.
George Stein
May 14th, 2012
9:32 pm
Eh, it was a joke, Beast.
You apparently have no idea what had to happen for VT to be invited to the ACC. They aren’t leaving without UVA.
Beast from the East
May 14th, 2012
9:35 pm
George,
I agree that VT is going anywhere. I think the ACC has accomplished what they wanted to with a few well-respected football schools and a monster line-up in hoops.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
9:36 pm
KG – You misunderstood that. VT is not the same without Beamer (lower valuation of the product, as you likely view it). George Stein is correct in that VT is restricted by UVA. There is not enough upside for VT to move to the SEC to become another Kentucky in football, and VT is a better university than the majority of the SEC schools.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
9:38 pm
“The ACC is weak and stupid conference”
That one takes the cake.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
9:53 pm
“Isn’t this where a Florida fan would say FSU paid him very generously while he was in Tallahassee?”
Not this Florida fan. I’ve never seen any evidence of FSU paying players. Besides, Charlie Ward was always a good guy. Hated him one day a year. He and Warrick Dunn had our number one forgetful Saturday in November. Both were solid students, players and people. I-10 isn’t the only good thing to come out of Tallahassee despite what most Gators will tell you.———————Well said beast as any good seminole fan would not bash Danny Wuerful or Fred Taylor both class acts
Tod
May 14th, 2012
9:56 pm
Ten times more good has come from UF and FSU players than bad but only the bad gets media attention. Danny with his mission in New Orleans, Warrick Dunn habitat for humanity Derrick Brooks takes kids to Africa every year etc………………………..
BLT
May 14th, 2012
10:02 pm
sports
May 14th, 2012
9:28 pm
“FSU should leave as soon as possible, and take Miami and Virginia Tech went you. The ACC is weak and stupid conference, wanting to give all the money contracts to the Carolina schools. The ACC belongs in Division 2 ball anyway…everyone knows that!!!”
Hilarious! Please continue…
Explain “stupid conference”, should be a doozy…Laughter!
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10:15 pm
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Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
10:38 pm
The Big 12(10) is then Strong and Smart? Here is how Florida State would rank in the BIG 12(10) academically:
45 Texas
75 Baylor
97 Iowa St.
*97 TCU
101 Oklahoma
101 Kansas
**101 FSU
132 Oklahoma St.
143 Texas Tech
*160 West Virginia
*Not actually there yet
**Hypothetical
US News and World Report rankings
Tod
May 14th, 2012
10:48 pm
Academic rankings are subjective. Those that do the rankings decide what subjects to rank the schools on. So if the school has an established medical and/or law school and those are subjects that are chosen for the rankings then they do well. FSU started off as a liberal arts college and has one of the best in the country. Try again Delbert
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
10:53 pm
Would being tied for 5th academically in the Big 12(10) be better than tied for 13th (last) in the expanded 14-school ACC? Would the fans and students feel better about that? Would that be a better “fit”?
The Big 12(10) is rumored to be considering Louisville again (#164 ranking) and BYU.
TigerT
May 14th, 2012
10:56 pm
fsu needs to keep quiet and stay in the ACc—they haven’t been relevant for years and choke every year in big games. The big 12 doesn’t want that minor league program sucking away millions in their conference. fsu will be lucky to win 9 games in 2012, even in the weak acc.
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Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
10:58 pm
Tod – No, the USN&WR ranking is a combination of objectivity (data) and subjectivity (example:peer evaluations). Florida State is in the category of National Universities. Furthermore, Florida State charges 40% more tuition (along with Florida) as a 1st tier research university per the state legislature.
naplesnole
May 14th, 2012
11:08 pm
central dog…I don’t know what rock you crawled out from, but one only has to look to about a year ago, when the FSU SEMINOLES WON the sec east with relative ease…..Go check how the gates and cocks did. Also FSU REPEATEDLY asked the to join the sec only to get snubbed for years. Only after they accepted an invitation to the ACC did the sec step up to save face. The biggest story that has circulated among the cheating conference for years.. Research it.. Try Google Please continue with your dis- information. Only sec homers believe it.
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May 14th, 2012
11:13 pm
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Tod
May 14th, 2012
11:24 pm
That’s funny Delbert because FSU was just ranked as one of then top schools that is economically viable for students on loans and grants. I know my son will be a Sr there in the fall. You are going to have to start posting some legit links as proof to back up your claims because they are false. My son applied to UF was accepted didn’t like the program he chose as compared to the one FSU offered and it is almost half the cost as UF.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
11:26 pm
As a follow up what subjects are included in the “National University” category? Even the word National suggests that every school included in National better conform to what they are being graded on to get a good ranking.
Dave Pippin
May 14th, 2012
11:31 pm
FSU sells tickets and gets ratings when playing teams that have ever actually won something, ever. ACC ain’t (other than Mia) it. I spent this weekend with Jimbo, Gene Deckerhoff and many big money boosters in Orlando. Cant in conscience comment on PAC 12 move, but I will tell you that FSU IS back and that’s what the haters are scared of. Oh, by the way the GT fan; you ain’t won shit since 1990 and that was only half !
Who REALLY Cares?
May 14th, 2012
11:37 pm
Honestly, unless you’re an FSU alumni and/or fan or an ACC fan, what does it matter where the Seminoles play in terms of conference affiliation? If I don’t have a dog in the fight (and I don’t) then I don’t give a rip.
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11:44 pm
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Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:45 pm
Tod – I am aware of that ranking. FSU is one of the “best value schools” in the country,and a “Budget Ivy” school by Fiske Guide to Getting Into the Right College.. The USN&WR info is here:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges
The breakdown of areas is 22.5% Undergraduate Academic Reputation, 20% Retention, 20% Faculty Resources, 15% Student Selectivity, 10% Financial Resources, 7.5% Graduation Performance, and 5% Alumni Giving Rate. Some of areas have further breakdown by percentage.
So, 77.5% of the ranking is from objective data provided by the universities. The 22.5% subjective part is the Undergraduate Academic Reputation. The evaluations were provided by presidents, provosts and deans of admission for the universities, and 1787 public high school and 600 independent school counselors in the country.
There are other rankings by Forbes, which has different criteria entirely, and the Princeton Review, and others, including Playboy. The USN&WR ranking is widely accepted. There is a world ranking of universities (not by USN&WR), but I won’t get into that.
I’ve condensed a few pages of info into this post, so please look at it yourself for further depth.
By the way, I’ve attended eight colleges and universities. Long story about that, including war and peace
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:48 pm
Tod – I think a post got lost, so I’ll try to repeat it. I am aware of that ranking. FSU is one of the “best value schools” in the country,and a “Budget Ivy” school by Fiske Guide to Getting Into the Right College.. The USN&WR info is here:
colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges
The breakdown of areas is 22.5% Undergraduate Academic Reputation, 20% Retention, 20% Faculty Resources, 15% Student Selectivity, 10% Financial Resources, 7.5% Graduation Performance, and 5% Alumni Giving Rate. Some of areas have further breakdown by percentage.
So, 77.5% of the ranking is from objective data provided by the universities. The 22.5% subjective part is the Undergraduate Academic Reputation. The evaluations were provided by presidents, provosts and deans of admission for the universities, and 1787 public high school and 600 independent school counselors in the country.
There are other rankings by Forbes, which has different criteria entirely, and the Princeton Review, and others, including Playboy. The USN&WR ranking is widely accepted. There is a world ranking of universities (not by USN&WR), but I won’t get into that.
I’ve condensed a few pages of info into this post, so please look at it yourself for further depth.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:49 pm
Tod – My attempted posts are getting blocked, so bear with me…
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:51 pm
Tod – I’ll try to repeat it. I am aware of that ranking. FSU is one of the “best value schools” in the country,and a “Budget Ivy” school by “Fiske Guide to Getting Into the Right College.” The USN&WR info is from their web site. The link is causing my posts to be blocked, I think.
The breakdown of areas is 22.5% Undergraduate Academic Reputation, 20% Retention, 20% Faculty Resources, 15% Student Selectivity, 10% Financial Resources, 7.5% Graduation Performance, and 5% Alumni Giving Rate. Some of areas have further breakdown by percentage.
So, 77.5% of the ranking is from objective data provided by the universities. The 22.5% subjective part is the Undergraduate Academic Reputation. The evaluations were provided by presidents, provosts and deans of admission for the universities, and 1787 public high school and 600 independent school counselors in the country.
There are other rankings by Forbes, which has different criteria entirely, and the Princeton Review, and others, including Playboy. The USN&WR ranking is widely accepted. There is a world ranking of universities (not by USN&WR), but I won’t get into that.
I’ve condensed a few pages of info into this post, so please look at it yourself for further depth.
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:56 pm
The AJC doesn’t like web links or percent signs, apparently.
Tod – I’ll try to repeat it. I am aware of that ranking. FSU is one of the “best value schools” in the country,and a “Budget Ivy” school by “Fiske Guide to Getting Into the Right College.” The USN&WR info is from their web site. The link is causing my posts to be blocked, I think.
The national university category in summary is schools that offer undergrad, masters and doctoral programs, and do research. The next category is regional universities and colleges. There is also a liberal arts category for schools that do not offer a wide slate of degree programs.
The breakdown of areas by percent is 22.5 Undergraduate Academic Reputation, 20 Retention, 20 Faculty Resources, 15 Student Selectivity, 10 Financial Resources, 7.5 Graduation Performance, and 5 Alumni Giving Rate. Some of areas have further breakdown by percentage.
So, 77.5 percent of the ranking is from objective data provided by the universities. The 22.5 subjective part is the Undergraduate Academic Reputation. The evaluations were provided by presidents, provosts and deans of admission for the universities, and 1787 public high school and 600 independent school counselors in the country.
There are other rankings by Forbes, which has different criteria entirely, and the Princeton Review, and others, including Playboy. The USN&WR ranking is widely accepted. There is a world ranking of universities (not by USN&WR), but I won’t get into that.
I’ve condensed a few pages of info into this post, so please look at it yourself for further depth.
Tod
May 14th, 2012
11:58 pm
Delbert I had the same problem I think it was because I said a version of shizit lol
Delbert D.
May 14th, 2012
11:58 pm
5 more attempts got blocked. Google “us news and world report” and click on Education, and dig down. The ranking methodology is 5 pages.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
12:03 am
The blog meister robot doesn’t percent signs, web links, ampersands, and who knows what. I tried to condense several pages of data and info int 3 short paragraphs, but no go. Anyway, I am aware of FSU’s ranking as a value school, and also a “budget Ivy League” designation by one source. Whether this post goes through or not, I’m outta here for tonight!
Paul in NH
May 15th, 2012
12:17 am
Tod
May 14th, 2012
5:42 pm
criticism of FSU’s schedule is pretty baseless when you look at who we have scheduled out of conference over the years. #1 We didn’t drop Miami probably costing us at least 3 national titles. Oklahoma home and home 2010/2011. 7 games vs LSU the 1st 6 at LSU the last a home game they cancelled, ND, OSU, USC, Pitt (when they had Marino and Dorsett), Nebraska, etc…. I could go on. Yes our 1st game is usually a warm up but so are most ranked teams.
———-
Good to see someone with a background in ancient history on the blog.
FSU last played LSU over 20 years ago. Dan Marino left Pitt 30 years ago and Dorsett was 5 years before that.
Only time I hear about Fsu...
May 15th, 2012
12:24 am
is when they get some rediculous top 10 rank in the preseason college rankings. Then go tumbling down the rankings and never be heard of again until next year when some idiots think they are a top 10 team. And then the cycle repeats, over and over and over again…
Paul in NH
May 15th, 2012
12:25 am
“Under Bowden the Noles never had NCAA violations the coaches actually knew about.”
It’s those major academic fraud cases the coaches claimed they didn’t know about that were the problem
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/sports/ncaafootball/07ncaa.html?_r=2&scp=12&sq=bowden%20victories%20cheat&st=cse
Paul in NH
May 15th, 2012
12:28 am
Tod
May 14th, 2012
7:52 pm
UF 2009 Charleston Southern and Troy
2010 Miami (OH) and USF
2011 Fla Atlantic and UAB
Thats 3 straight years of no bodies
—–
9/6/2009 USF 17 FSU 7 (In Tallahassee)
Tod
May 15th, 2012
12:40 am
Paul good to meet someone with short term memory loss figure it out dude. My point was we have never been afraid to play anyone anytime anywhere moron. I guess OU two years in a row out of conference means nothing to you.
Paul in NH
May 15th, 2012
12:40 am
A comment from FSU’s President about the reasons for leaving the ACC
7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker — and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.
The fact that we have a Trustee of a major American University (Andy Haggard) more concerned about a $2.4M short fall in the athletic budget than a $105M cut in the academic budget says it all about how corrosive sports programs can be to the mission of a University.
Paul in NH
May 15th, 2012
12:43 am
Wow Tod – nice insults “dude”.
Then again, what can I expect from someone who calls a team that beat FSU at Doak “no bodies”
Tod
May 15th, 2012
12:47 am
LMFAO Paul you posted a link to an article that only supports my position that the coaches had nothing to do with the violations you dumb arse. The biggest mistake the NCAA ever made was making these athletes live all over the city with no hope of the coaches being able to keep track of them. They are 18 year old kids that make mistakes at EVERY school athletes or not but I am sure you were a teenage angel.
Tod
May 15th, 2012
12:48 am
A bulls fan my sister went there
Tod
May 15th, 2012
12:54 am
And lastly before I go to bed I understand the shortfalls in funds academically and athletically but where would some of the schools be financially without successful athletic programs?
marmaduke from madison
May 15th, 2012
1:57 am
strawboyPaul
I'm Just Saying
May 15th, 2012
1:59 am
Wow Jeff that was amazing…what is next out of you??? Perhaps you will discover that fire is hot, or that water is clear. Do they really pay you for such depth of observation?
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Sloan
May 15th, 2012
6:41 am
This is a case of buyer’s remorse, albeit a few years later than you typically see. FSU could have and should have joined the SEC instead of the ACC way back when. Now that they would like to have a mulligan on that decision, I doubt seriously that UF would agree to it. So FSU talks about joining the Big 12 so they can play powerhouse programs like Kansas, Kansas State, and West VA instead of Clemson, Miami, and Virginia. Really?
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7:00 am
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How?
May 15th, 2012
7:14 am
Fsu and acc = weak
Taylor Wooten
May 15th, 2012
7:55 am
it would be a good move for fsu to go to the big 12.
enuff said
Rodster
May 15th, 2012
8:17 am
Well said Jeff. The Crimi-noles have not been relevant as a top football program since…well it’s hard to remember when.
Kaleb
May 15th, 2012
8:32 am
“School has inflated idea of self worth”. At first I thought this was about UGA. Then I remembered Jeff is paid to spin everything about UGA in a good way.
Bazooka Joe
May 15th, 2012
8:57 am
I dont want to hear any whining from FSU fans…. you had your chance – twice actually. In the early 90’s you chickened out – yes chickened out (call it like it is), and once aTm was coming over you could have had the slot that Mizzou took. So, you are stuck with the ACC…. you get what you deserve.
Gator Mike
May 15th, 2012
9:32 am
FSU had a chance to go to the SEC when the league expanded to 12 teams in the 90s. In fact, FSU would have been picked before Arky and SoCar. Bowden and FSU declined. Too bad, but so be it.
It will be interesting to see where this goes for the Noles because I believe they will not sit idle this time.
GADAWG99
May 15th, 2012
9:43 am
If FSU is all that and the bag of Doritos they think they are, then don’t go to the Big12 with only 10, why not step up and play with the big boys in the SEC? Oh wait, they aren’t all that after all, are they?
Alex
May 15th, 2012
9:48 am
Why dont yall try looking up the viewer ratings of fsu and the rest of the acc. Wonder what the acc would do losing 17% of its viewers?
Wet Willie...keep on smiling
May 15th, 2012
10:01 am
Paying 20 million to get out seems a bit much in this economy. The ACC needs all teams to take a step forward to increase the payout for all the teams. Getting to the NC game will sure help with recruiting but that will not fix the finance situation. The AD at FSU is on the clock if he can’t make more than he spends so that is the place to start. Rule #1 never think things can’t get worse!!!!! Rule #2…read rule #1.
The FSU Admin would be wise to shut the chatter and keep within the walls at FSU This trial ballon they sent crashed and burned for oh so many reasons.
georgiasouthernalum
May 15th, 2012
10:08 am
Georgia Tech and FSU should play every year like UGA and Fla. it would be a money game. Along with Clemson that way you can sell out. ND would be another school that would bring a lot of fans not Pitt or that other orange school.
Alphare
May 15th, 2012
10:11 am
$2.4mill is pocket money for a university. To leave for that reason is laughable. Improving your winning percentage and gaining more pride for fans would immediately fix that problem.
With Miami/FSU/VT/Clemsons/GT etc, ACC is a good football conference, it just hasn’t worked yet. I think coaching is the biggest problem with ACC now.
909
May 15th, 2012
10:40 am
I’ll state the glaringly obvious:
the ACC is NOW in trouble, and this new ESPN-TV deal is a disaster and proves bad news is coming for the ACC.
FACTS:
1. The $$$ is back-loaded into the latter part of a 15 year contract. No team in the ACC will see anywhere near $17 Million until the LAST 5 years of the contract. So, the ACC bascially got ZERO added dolalrs from adding Cuse & Pitt. Thats REALLY BAD.
2. The ACC kept the Tier 3 rights for B-Ball, but gave the Tier 3 rights for football to ESPN.
Thats great for “B-Ball first” schools like Duke & UNC, but a complete slap in the face to “football-first” schools like VT, FSU, Clemson, etc. This is why FSU’s Board of Trustees Andy Haggard exploded in the media over this issue in the new ACC contract and has gone on a tirade over the need for FSU to leave the ACC. And, he’s absolutely right on being pissed off.
3. The ACC rushed this deal with ESPN because it was the only and best deal the ACC could get…because the ACC front office (and ESPN) already know FSU, and 3 other schools are “unofficially” being courted by the BIG12, and are likely to leave the ACC. The ACC giving Tier 3 “football” rights to ESPN was the ACC giving the finger to FSU, and 3 other schools. FSU has already made it clear behind closed doors, that they will insist on Miami being included. So, this isnt an FSU-only scenario. Its a multi-team move, like the PAC12 offering 6 schools at once.
4. ACC commish, John Swofford, is completely in the pocket of UNC & Duke,
and this new contract makes it blatantly obvious for everyone to see.
5. The ACC didnt go to a $20 Million exit for no reason at all. Despite the “unanimous” vote for the exit fee, their is real bitterness brewing in the ACC, between the “football” & “b-ball” schools.
The ACC front office knows defections are coming.
5. The new upcoming Big12 contract is likely to generate $20 Million for just (10) teams !!!
Adding 6 more teams from the ACC and possibly ND would make a NEW BIG12 TV contract worth closer to $30 Million per team per year, which is what the SEC’s new contract with aTm and MIzzou is likely to see.
6. Anyone who looks at a map of the BIG12 and doesnt see an “eastward” expansion coming is just blind. Aside from WV & Iowa St, the BIG12 is states of Texas, OK, KS. The BIG 12 NEEDS an eastward expansion to match the East-West TV “footprint” of the SEC. The BIG12 got WV because the BIG12 needed a “foothold” in ACC country, and wanted to keep the SEC from getting WV. The BIG12 getting WV wasnt some randomn act of desperartion. It was a strategic first-step in an eastern expansion into ACC territory.
6. ESPN…DOES NOT…want a BIG12 expansion into ACC territory for one simple reason: $$$$.
If the BIG12 expands, ESPN or whoever elsee will have to pay LOTS & LOTS more dollars for the TV rights. Right now ESPN is getting the current ACC for dirt-cheap pricing. ESPN would rather pay $17 Million a year versus $30 Million per year. So, seeing ALL the ESPN pundits blasting ANY idea of the BIG12 getting FSU or more ACC teams is simply a self-serving PR effort.
All the chips will start to fall when the new BCS playoff format is solidified this Summer.
Then, the fireworks will begin.
Taxi Smith
May 15th, 2012
10:45 am
Would have preferred them in the SEC. Made more sense that Missouri!
Jim
May 15th, 2012
10:57 am
If they think the UNC tyranny is bad in the ACC they are going to love getting the Texas treatment. They would be better served to stay put and demand change in the ACC office makeup.
Louis
May 15th, 2012
11:04 am
Perhaps the following stats will indicate the value of FSU’s worth. Since joining the conference in 1991, FSU has won 12 conference football titles, 2 national football championships, 1 conference basketball championship, 5 conference baseball championships, 2 national outdoor national track & field championships and 21 consecutive appearances in the CWS I know that since 2005 FSU football floundered while BB was enjoying on the job retirement, but Jimbo has the program headed in the right direction. We need more income from our conference affiliation and we have got to look out for ourselves.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
11:08 am
@909, you should really keep up to date on things. 1. Almost all of the conferences are back loaded. 2. nothing changed about tier 3 rights that helped the Carolina schools.
These two facts have been out there for a day now.
Besides, what I’ve heard, is that with the new BCS playoff format or whatever you want to call it, Notre Dame will be forced to go to a conference, or they’ll be locked out of any playoff berth by the 4 or 5 big conferences. No special treatment for them this time.
Notre Dame and UCONN to the ACC to make 16.
Texas, TT, Okie, Okie St to the Big 10 to make 16.
Big 12 may not even be here in a couple years.
LogicalMX
May 15th, 2012
11:14 am
every fsu grad I know claims they “could have gone to Florida” if they wanted, which is a bunch of BS. fla state is second tier school, light years behind florida. Now, their athletic dept is broke and begging the state for money to pay their excessive expenses from all these high salaries and benefits.
they better keep quiet and stay in the ACC—that’s the best they can do.
UGA Insider
May 15th, 2012
11:15 am
The FSU brand is terrible at best! The school rarely sells out a home game, and is 2-4 vs The Wake. This school had a nice run but the best is behind it…. The ACC is ready for them to leave because their academics stink as well.
Jonesy
May 15th, 2012
11:15 am
It would completely destroy the baseball program which is one of the nation’s best.
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
11:19 am
The more I read from FSU fans, the more I am hoping the ACC just doesn’t waste time and just kicks them out of the conference. When your board of trustees is easily influenced by a West Virginia message board then you probably shouldn’t be in the ACC.
UGA Insider
May 15th, 2012
11:21 am
Kaleb, UGA is not running a $2.4 million debt as FSU. UGA is one of the largest, most profitable athletic department’s in the country. FSU is not on UGA’s level on anything at all. Academics or athletics. Also, Tallahassee sux azz!
Mike
May 15th, 2012
11:22 am
FSU is too big a pu**y to join a man’s conference, like the SEC. They say they want a football conference? Why didn’t they petition to join the SEC instead of A&M and Mo? Would have made way more geographic sense. FSU needs to join hands with Boise State and pray on baby conferences so they can whine to the big boys.
IL Jacket
May 15th, 2012
11:31 am
Let them go! They are a poor academic fit in the ACC and the conference academic rankings will rise after FSU leaves. The only real loss is their baseball team which is usually pretty good. Leonard Hamilton-time to parlay your success into a job where you will be appreciated, see Frank Haith.
Ray Goof's Hat
May 15th, 2012
11:39 am
You Noles should listen to your patriarch, Bobby Bowden. As an Alabama boy, he knew all about the SEC and he didn’t want any part of it. He told the AJC on Aug. 3, 1990, while the SEC was interested in adding FSU, “I like to win games, and I can’t think of a tougher place to do that than the SEC.” Listen to Bobby, and be content in the ACC. Stay in the shallow end where you belong.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
11:39 am
Can’t stand Florida State, but I find humorous, all the talk about the SEC, the big boys, the mans conference etc. etc.
You mean, Alabama, Auburn and LSU?? Well, you have to include Georgia and Florida who are mediocre. So there is that. Then the elephant in the room. Ole Miss, Miss St, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt. These schools are never mentioned??
Don’t get me wrong, the SEC is the best, but everyone talks about a “monster conference”, when in fact, it’s 2 or 3 teams that are exceptionally good, and a list of also rans really.
Yes, again, you are the best, but you don’t have 14 Alabams’s for God’s sake!!!!
909
May 15th, 2012
11:47 am
@Dan:
Your observation doesnt change some important facts:
1. BIG12 “acquired: WV…for a VERY specific reason.
2. The new ACC contract essentially pays zero to minimal added dollars for
the addition of Cuse & Pitt. Thats BAD.
3. The ACC rushed this deal, and that led to a very poor contract.
4. (4) of the ACC “football-first” schools are furious over the new ESPN contract.
The ACC screwed the “football-first” schools with the Tier 3 move. Carolina schools didnt “sufffer” as you say. But several schools got screwed. FSU is just the most public about it. So far.
Why would the ACC deliberately short-change the football-first schools, unless the ACC MEANT to.
4. Deloss Dodd aint going to let Jim Delaney tell him what to do. EVER.
5. ND is MORE likely to pair with an eastward expanded BIG12 than the BIG10.
The folks at ND have been deliberate & public about their desire to not be anchored down in a economically decaying BIG10 country. ND will NEVER EVER join the BIG10.
5. Unless the ACC can lock-in ND & PennSt (as has been extensively rumored)
then the ACC is going to get cherry-picked by the BIG12 and the BIG10.
So, it all remains on the table.
Ray Goof's Hat
May 15th, 2012
11:49 am
Dan – nearly half of the 12 member SEC won national championships from 1998 through 2011, and three of them won multiple titles. No, they’re not always at that level each season, but the depth in the conference is unparalleled.
IL Jacket
May 15th, 2012
11:51 am
I’ll trade FSU for ND anytime. It would be great to renew the historical rivalry. A great academic fit also. I’m beginning to like this 4 team playoff idea, maybe just what ND needs to get moving.
Neutral observer
May 15th, 2012
11:52 am
A couple of points to be made. The sec has 2 superpowers in Alabama and LSU currently and of course the Bammers have always had that huge national name forever and ever. We know all about your big name so simmer down Bammer fans.
Arkansas looks to be good but just took a step back and AU had a great year with Newton but they also look like they took a step back.
And the east is just plain pathetic. Clearly Florida has lost its way and Georgia has never won anything. That has to be the most overrated program ever.
The SEC is still the best conference but as a poster above stated you do not have 14 Alabamas.
909
May 15th, 2012
11:52 am
@Dan:
I forgot to add:
ACC didnt recently raise the exit fee to $20 Million for no reason at all.
The ACC front office KNOWS defections are coming. Soon.
NC GAMECOCK
May 15th, 2012
11:53 am
Change the div… South. Miami,FSU, Ga-tech,Clemson,NCstate,Wake and VA Tech.
North. BC, Syrc, Pitt , MD, VA, Duke and UNC!!! give the South Schools 2 million extra each year.
IL Jacket
May 15th, 2012
11:58 am
909, you need to do some homework, The Big12 (sic) was on the verge of extinction last year at this time. But for Texas, it would have gone the way of the SWC. As for the quality of the football, really? Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech, give me a break!!! ND would never join the Big 12 (sic) with this bunch of academic lightweights.
909
May 15th, 2012
12:09 pm
For all the doubters, take a look at this article from Coley Harvey,
the former AJC beatwriter for GT & the ACC.
Here’s the short version: FSU President says they will now keep their options open.
LINK: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2012/05/the-plot-continues-to-thicken-for-florida-state-big-12-acc.html?replytocom=43235
Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire.
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire.
There is so much smoke in conference realignment rumors that every team currently playing would be probably be in a different conference if they were true. Texas would be in like 5 different conferences, and would be independent.
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
12:16 pm
The ACC screwed the “football-first” schools with the Tier 3 move.
The Tier 3 discussion is the most overblown and misunderstood topic I have ever seen.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
12:18 pm
The ACC needs to be PROACTIVE like they were in getting Pitt & Syracuse. The ACC needs to make THE DEAL to get Notre Dame and Penn St. Penn St needs a move to get a FRESH Start in LIFE after Joe Pa & Notre Dame needs a HOME.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
12:22 pm
FSU what have you done for me LATELY? You SUX and you can’t even win the WEAK ACC but you think you can Hang with Texas and Oklahoma? HAHAHAHHAH FSU can’t even hang with a weak Gator team.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
12:33 pm
“Texas, TT, Okie, Okie St to the Big 10 to make 16.”
The Big Ten will ultimately go to 16 schools, but certainly not with 3 of those schools; of the 4 only Texas is an AAU member. The Big Ten accepted Nebraska, which promptly was kicked out of the AAU last Spring because it was no longer competitive in research funding. Iowa State and Kansas are the other AAU members in the Big 12(10).
Jim Pate
May 15th, 2012
12:39 pm
Spoken like a true DAWG!!!! Like most DAWG fans, you have an over-inflated opinion of the UGA brand. FSU is not the FSU of old, but they can complete with the DAWG schedule.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
12:43 pm
With playoffs a certainty, there is likely to be a scramble to get to 16-member conferences. Those 4 conference champions will ultimately be the playoff contingent. The SEC, Big Ten and PAC-14 look to be in good shape. The Big East, Big 12(10) and ACC are contenders for the other mega-conference. The ACC would seem to be the most likely 4th member, but it probably depends on who gets added. The Big East and Big 12 have not shown stability.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
12:46 pm
As for the current ACC, I would like to see Florida State switch divisions. I Also would like to see all of the North Carolina schools in the same division for their traditional rivalries.
909
May 15th, 2012
12:52 pm
@GTBob
According to the Orlando Sentinel newspaper, the University of Florida’s
Tier 3 rights are currently paying UF $10+ Million per year.
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
12:59 pm
According to the Orlando Sentinel newspaper, the University of Florida’s
Tier 3 rights are currently paying UF $10+ Million per year.
Yes, and FSU’s Tier 3 rights are currently paying them about 7 million a year. And no they aren’t losing a dime of that. UNC is actually making more then UF in Tier 3 rights. The only Tier 3 money FSU is missing out on is Tier 3 rights to one bad football game and a few bad OOC basketball games. Ill let you decide how much that is worth.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
1:06 pm
@Delbert D. Ya, looks like that’s where it’s headed. You just may be right, maybe the Big10 would like Iowa St. and Kansas for the academics. (Get the Kansas hoops too)
Probalby next would be the Tex, TT, Ok, Ok St to the Pac 12 to form the Pac 16.
Then ND to the ACC probably, or Big 10. Hopefully the conference commissioners stick to their guns and do not give in to ND special treatment.
I don’t hate ND, I believe they are important to the fabric of college football certainly, but the days of special deals and special offers and appeasements need to be over.
Choose a conference, or stay independent. Never know though Irish, even with your cache, I think the committee would probably rather have one of their conference teams in the playoffs more than having you. (Money in own pocket).
That leaves a few teams scrambling for one or two spots left in a 4 conference 16 team set up. WVU, Baylor, TCU, Kansas St., Louisville, Cincy, UConn and Rutgers.
If ND to the ACC, then ND and UCONN. If ND to the Big 10, ND and Kansas St.,
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
1:10 pm
@ GT
It appears that u may be a little delusional when it comes to Miami. If u think thhey have been loading up u must not have been paying attention to what FSU has been receiving on the recruiting trail. DId u even pay attention to the last signing day? You are crazy sir!
Vulture
May 15th, 2012
1:11 pm
FSU is in such a great bargaining postion. Living on past sucess. In the red with an impending $20 million buyout. Good luck!
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
1:12 pm
FSU leave and get Notre Dame, Penn St and get VANDY to replace FSU.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
1:13 pm
@Vulture, I’m sure you and I could throw back a couple of brews. Only a couple of sentences, but hits the nail on the head. Excellent.
CYSeminole
May 15th, 2012
1:14 pm
1. The author misses the point of why FSU is entertaining a conference switch and writes a provacative headline to kiss the butts of his local uga and gt leadership.
2. Regardless of Tier 3 rights FSU is better off money wise in another conference with a better payout.
3. Anybody from Georgia Tech talking ill of FSU ought to be ashamed of themselves. If your school was a black college it would have lost its accreditation along time ago with your atrocious graduation rate and lack of programs other than engineering, i.e. Morris Brown. If the bees are satisfied being the mediocre lap dogs of the Carolina schools with an erector set for a campus that fine. It doesnt mean FSU, Clemson,VT or any other football centered program has to fall in line.
Texas Runs The Big 12
May 15th, 2012
1:18 pm
So Nolie – you’d rather go fetch coffee for DeLoss Dodds instead?
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
1:21 pm
Dan – I agree with the scenarios except for Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. to the PAC. The fact that UT and TT, and Oklahoma and Okie St. had to be part of the deal is why the PAC did not accept Texas and Oklahoma last year. Okie St. is not ranked high in academics #132) and Texas Tech is low at #160. The PAC also rejected BYU last year. Rankings from Us News& World Report, of course.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
CYCriminole…………FSU is the UGa of the ACC. You THINK you are some POWERHOUSE only to prove you are not much more than Miss St or NCSU.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
1:27 pm
The rejection of BYU was not due to academics; it was reported at the time that UC-Berkeley was adamant in it’s opposition BYU.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
1:31 pm
Delbert, agreed. Am familiar with those scenarios the past year or so.
If it does get to 4 of 16, eventually someones gonna have to take someone they don’t initially want.
If it ever does get to that point. Only so many left to plug in. Should be interesting.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
1:34 pm
51 – FSU moving to the Coastal would probably mean another full stadium for Georgia Tech every other year, plus a national telecast night game.
South Georgia fan
May 15th, 2012
1:36 pm
FSU should go back to independent in football and go Atlantic Sun in all other sports then they can keep ALL the Emerald Bowl $$$.
Delbert D.
May 15th, 2012
1:39 pm
Dan – I think that the Big Ten or the ACC may take Rutgers, depending on where Notre Dame ends up. The decision is going to have to be made on future projections on that one, similar to the PAC-14 and Utah. Syracuse and UConn are in a pi$$ing contest about basketball; don’t know how that is going to play out.
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
1:57 pm
@UGA Insider
Boy u know nothing about FSU and I have a big feeling u will be in for a surprise of your hillbilly life this fall. Fsu has major talent and they have the depth to back it up. Boy trust me u UGA does not want any. Jimbo is just smiling because he knows the cards he wil be playing with. SO let everyone keep on talking. U think UGA’s defense will be good, son u have not seen andything u redneck!
Gazpacho
May 15th, 2012
1:58 pm
Go read the blogs from Texas and Oklahoma. Most want FSU. So yes they have the worth. And let’s compare their history over the last 25 years with your beloved Dawgs before talking smack. How many conference and National Championships there?
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
2:04 pm
@ South Georgia Fan
Son u know zero about football. U also dont know about the talent FSU has on that team. You will find out u spineless red neck
FSU to SEC...we'll show u some respect
May 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
Bring FSU to the SEC…we’ll show u some respect.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
Kmac……….FSU and UGa are the SAME. All LOADED EVERY YEAR with Talent ans still CRAP their pants.
Gazpacho….doep the 20 and just look at the LAST 5 years(a recruiting class) and WHAT has FSU done?
If you do 25 years then RICHT was HUGE for FSU in those 25 years you Mo Ron.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
DROP the 20 sorry
Jason
May 15th, 2012
2:07 pm
Inflated idea of self-worth? Florida State is a NATIONAL BRAND. More than any sports team in the entire state of Georgia will ever be.
Check out this in-depth statistical analysis by Tomahawk Nation. They crunched the numbers so that lazy sports writers in Georgia don’t have to.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/5/15/3021181/is-fsu-really-the-most-valuable-team-in-the-acc
909
May 15th, 2012
2:08 pm
The PAC12 could…and I emphasize “could” …offer: OK, OKST, KS, KST to get to 16.
You’d have a PAC16–South that looks like:
OK–OKST–KS–KST–Colorado–Utah–AZ–AZST
That’s not a bad combination, with direct ties to the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl.
If the PAC12 pulled that off, then the BIG12 would be left with 6 teams,
in search of 10 more teams. The BIG12 could add up to (10) teams from the ACC & ND.
Hey, crazier things have happened.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
2:12 pm
FSU is a National Brand like Huggies or Depends cause the Criminoles always CRAP their pants.
JS Has No Clue
May 15th, 2012
2:19 pm
So let me get this straight Jeff. You are saying FSU isn’t a ’super power’ but I’m sure you believe that overrated hype machine in Athens is? Lol get a clue!
Pandering to the Leg Humpers and Buzzers
May 15th, 2012
2:23 pm
Similar to Dawg fans. They they everyone including ESPN hate them when in fact the Dawgs are irrelevent.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
2:29 pm
FSU…………ISN’T a Super Power…JS Has No Clue.
2011
ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF OVERALL
Clemson 6-2 10-4
Wake Forest 5-3 6-7
Florida State 5-3 9-4
North Carolina State 4-4 8-5
Boston College 3-5 4-8
Maryland 1-7 2-10
2010
ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF OVERALL
Florida State 6-2 10-4
Maryland 5-3 9-4
North Carolina State 5-3 9-4
Boston College 4-4 7-6
Clemson 4-4 6-7
Wake Forest 1-7 3-9
2009
ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF OVERALL
Clemson 6-2 9-5
Boston College 5-3 8-5
Florida State 4-4 7-6
Wake Forest 3-5 5-7
North Carolina State 2-6 5-7
Maryland 1-7 2-10
2008
ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF OVERALL
Florida State 5-3 9-4
Boston College 5-3 9-5
Maryland 4-4 8-5
Wake Forest 4-4 8-5
Clemson 4-4 7-6
North Carolina State 4-4 6-7
2007
ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF OVERALL
Boston College 6-2 11-3
Clemson 5-3 9-4
Wake Forest 5-3 9-4
Florida State 4-4 7-6
Maryland 3-5 6-7
North Carolina State 3-5 5-7
WOW FSU is a Real POWER HOUSE.
Dennis
May 15th, 2012
2:34 pm
More astonishing! Tech has won the last two!
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
2:45 pm
5150 UOAD – Your a Moron – I guess you forgot about 14 years in a row in the top 5.
2 National Championships and played for 3 years in a row. When whatever bs school
you root for does that give me a call. Same as Georgia your an idiot. Richt wasn’t
there for 25 years either and we were glad to ship him to UGA.
heartofdarkness
May 15th, 2012
2:48 pm
This blog roll sounds more like a board meeting at Goldman Sachs, assessing their trading desk in gold futures, than citizen-residents of states in which these publicly funded eleemosynary institutions are situated, and which have been entrusted with the burden of enlightening and ennobling future generations.
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
2:50 pm
Schultz please write columns that you have some sense of intelligence. You are over your head here my friend.
Jerry Kendall
May 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
I would love to see FSU take their low level academics and their often thug players and depart the ACC. It won’t happen thought because there is no better conference that wants them.
George Stein
May 15th, 2012
3:00 pm
Your a Moron – I guess you forgot about 14 years in a row in the top 5.
Ha. I’m pretty sure the moron is the one who doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:00 pm
LMAFO…………RICHT was there for ALL those MNCs’ and Heisman Winners you Mo Ron. Without RICHT you would not have had all the tope 5 Finishes and MNC games. Go do some RESEARCH and get back to me. WHAT years were those 14 in a Row?
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
3:06 pm
I believe the Big 12 is going to go “all in” to make a power push to try to become the 2nd most powerful conference to the SEC. I think they would love to add FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami. And I think they are going all out to try to add Notre Dame as well.
None of it might happen of course but I don’t think it will be because they don’t try. The long term vision would be a 16 team superconference with essentially 4 scheduling pods:
1. Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor
2. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State
3. FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
4. Notre Dame, Iowa State, West Virigina, Boston College
Other potential candidates are Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Virginia Tech, South Florida, Central Florida, and BYU.
Again, not saying this has even a 10% chance of success, just think the Big12 will attempt to make a bold move. They didn’t go all the way East to pick up West Virginia to leave them hanging out there on their own.
Both the Texas and Oklahoma athletic departments are two of the shrewdish, most profitable business operations in college football.
Lots of interest for huge potential TV markets in that proposal in Dallas, Houston, Ft. Worth, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Atlanta, Miami, Charleston, Jacksonville, Tampa, Chicago, New York, Pittshburgh, and Boston.
Ultimately, they might only be able to cherry pick a team or two and be done. A lot depends on how the BCS playoff negotiations go. The Big 12 could just as easily stay at 10 teams if they feel that gives their teams the best shot to be in a Final Four format.
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
3:11 pm
George Stein – Don’t quit your day job of correcting grammar on message boards
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:13 pm
LMFAO…………LIVING in the PAST MUCH. Damn you are just like the MUTT fans.
2001 #15
2002 #21
2003 #11
2004 #15
2005 #23
2006 Unranked
2007 Unranked
2008 #21
2009 Unranked
2010 #17
2011 #23
So AFTER Richt Left FSU the Criminoles have not NOT been in the Top 10 Once in the final poll and have not SNIFFED a National Championship. FSU and Missing In Action MI have done NOTHING in the ACC except run your mouths just like UGa in the SEC. STFU and stroke your sQueer. I mean Spear.
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
3:15 pm
5150 since you dont know how to use a computer I will help you:
Year Record AP Rank Championships Bowl
1987 11–1 2nd Won Fiesta
1988 11–1 3rd Won Sugar
1989 10–2 3rd Won Fiesta
1990 10–2 4th Won Blockbuster
1991 11–2 4th Won Cotton
1992 11–1 2nd ACC champions Won Orange
1993 12–1 1st ACC champions, National champions Won Orange
1994 10–1–1 4th ACC champions Won Sugar
1995 10–2 4th ACC co-champions Won Orange
1996 11–1 3rd ACC champions Lost Sugar
1997 11–1 3rd ACC champions Won Sugar
1998 11–2 3rd ACC co-champions Lost Fiesta
1999 12–0 1st ACC champions, National champions Won Sugar
2000 11–2 5th ACC champions Lost Orange
Mark Richt took over the OC job after the 1993 National Championship win. Read and learn
he was the QB coach before that starting in 1990. He was not the reason for the run that has not been equaled by any program.
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
3:17 pm
5150 – Go grab your cheetos and jerk off in your double wide
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
3:18 pm
909:
I understand your PAC idea and its not unreasonable. But I can’t see Texas and Oklahoma ever going in a separate direction. The administrations of the two schools are tighter than most people realize, particularly at the Trustee level. The big oil boosters from Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, and Tulsa are together on this and it includes Texas Tech and Oklhoma State.
If 4 schools go together to the PAC it would be Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State and they could have done that both in 2010 and 2011 if they had wanted to do so. Kansas and Kansas Sate are the two who would be left out of that deal along with the private schools like TCU and Baylor.
LMFAO
May 15th, 2012
3:18 pm
Oh by the way the poodles have 4 years of history and thats Herschel Walker
Dan
May 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
Lets start, with something that is pretty obvious. The Big 12 won’t even be around in 5 years.
So, start the arguing from there. I guess if Texas wants to add some more teams to have even more sucklings, maybe. Bad history there, bad karma there. Don’t see it keeping together.
JSS
May 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
Eight pages on this idiocy… D-1 revenue sports = corruption run by corruption funded by ESPN and CBS!
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:24 pm
LMFAO…….WHAT has happened since RICHT left? You are SO living in the PAST. After 2001 whne RICHT left NOT ONCE has FSU finished the year in the TOP 10. LMMFAO at Fear the Squeer.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
JSS so true. ESPN pushes their SCHOOLS that make them money to be ranked and on TV to make ESPN and the SEC more money. Education and College has Nothing to do with FOOTBALL anymore.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:34 pm
Love this! Too bad Coach lost his job.
http://video.staged.com/dtglobal59/tennessee_football_coach_fired_for_making_obama_so
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
http://video.staged.com/dtglobal59/tennessee_football_coach_fired_for_making_obama_so
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
3:41 pm
@ 5150 UOAD
Your statements provide proof of the fool u are regarding FSU. But punk you too will bow down in the fall. The old argument that they have talent every year is not applicable now. They have beyond talent now u red neck and the depth to back it up. Just need to see how the O line does. I bet your team cant move the ball on them chump! What are u going to say when they win at least 11 games this year? Count on it. When your momma had u she created you she brought someone in this world that is not athletic at all. U probably never played a down in your life hillbilly.
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Dan:
The Big 12 has shrewedly negotiated the exact same TV deal split 10 ways as it had before split 12 ways when Missouri and Texas A&M left. Hence the Big 12 schools ae rolling in cash, they aren’t going anywhere. After the SEC, they have the 2nd highest payout. And ESPN is paying Texas $300 million over 20 years ($15 million a year) for the Longhorn Network which nobody carries, but they don’t care because they are guaranteed the money. Oklahoma is about to anounce a similar deal.
The Texas and Oklahoma economies are booming with oil and gas revenue and other economic development. They will be the big winners from a California economy going in the dumper. Demographics and population growth shifting to the Texas,and Oklahoma which means TV sets and diposable income in two states with extremely low tax rates.
SqueerFanHere
May 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Don you are so right! The Big 12 is just such a GREAT conference and destination for FSU!
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Hence the Big 12 schools ae rolling in cash, they aren’t going anywhere. After the SEC, they have the 2nd highest payout.
Their contract hasn’t even been announced yet, and the SEC does not have the highest TV payout right now.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
3:58 pm
Kmac……I have heard it before from Fear the Sqeers. You mullet headed Sunday Christians in Tallahassee will crap your pants again this year.
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
Kmac you actually read you comment before you hit Submit Comment?
” When your momma had u she created you she brought someone in this world that is not athletic at all.”
WTF was that?
A Hillbilly is very different from a Redneck. I guess that FSU T-shirt and Cap doesn’t mean you have a Degree from The Florida Girls College.
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
GTBob:
I realize all new contracts have not been announced yet. My point was in terms of all sports, all contracts as of the end of 2011, the SEC schools had the highest average revenue with the Big 12 being 2nd, and the Big 10 being 3rd, and the PAC being 4th.
The Big 12 contract was not reduced going forward even though the contracted by two schools, hence per school, each one is taking money that previously had gone to A&M and Missouri and splitting it. Plus they charged exit fees to Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri which gave some windfall profits. It gave them enough cash to help West Virginia with its buyout fees and they have the money to pay perspective new schools buyout fees as well, if they choose to do so.
I remain skeptical, still think the Big 12 will either pick up several teams and renogiate with 16 teams or so or decide its not worth it and just continue to split the gold mine 10 ways and leave it alone. Again, a lot depends on the criteria for the Final Four concept to replace the BCS and the easiest way to get two of your conference schools in that final sceario, which is a huge payout for a conference..
DawgNole
May 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
5150 UOAD
May 15th, 2012
12:22 pm
HAHAHAHHAH FSU can’t even hang with a weak Gator team.
____________________
Maybe you should ask the gators how we hung with them the past two years–since you obviously don’t know.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
Where Texas is involved, there is nothing shared fairly, or squarely. If we all haven’t learned that over the last 20 years, shame on us. They can keep using smoke and mirrors, but everything is tilted their way, you can count on it.
As for rolling in cash, doesn’t matter. If 11 guys are rolling in 20 million, and one other member is rolling in 30, 40, 50 million (who knows), there are going to be unhappy campers amongst the other 11 members.
Oh, it might squelch their squabbling for a year or two, but, eventually, someone will say, WTF???
Dan
May 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
Always remember this……….
How do you Univ of Texas is lying????
Their lips are moving!!!
SqueerFanHere
May 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
Still, you can’t help but note the rich irony here. It was the ACC, after all, that started this Roseanne Barr-esque off-key game of musical chairs by rudely raiding the Big East of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College. The formation of a “Super Conference” flopped because Miami and Florida State stopped winning national titles in football. That’s right, FSU, the reason the ACC has become a conference you might consider leaving is your fault.
My advice: Get better in football and hope Miami does too. That would jack up the TV rights and makes more sense than dialing U-Haul or calling “at Kansas State” an important league game.
It never hurts to explore the possibility of significantly improving yourself financially, as long as Florida State realizes that it is a major reason the ACC’s TV package is less lucrative than the SEC, Big 12, etc. Let’s face it, if the Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes were the dominant programs they once were, the ACC wouldn’t be in the predicament it is in.
The Ghost of Wyatt Sexton
May 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
I love hearing Semiholes run their mouths about past accomplishments under Booby Bowden. Yeah, you ran up great records against weak-sister ACC competition. I don’t care how good your program is, when you win your conference for 12 consecutive years, then your conference competition is no dang good. But let’s see how the ACC has done against the rest of the country in BCS games: 2-13, with only 1 at large bid. That’s a .133 winning percentage. That is hands down the worst record of any major conference. FSU made 6 of those BCS appearances, and posted a sterling record of 1-5. Nice. Stick to the Almost Collegiate Conference. Seriously.
The Big 12
May 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
I love the arrogance of FSU’s president comparing the academics of the ACC and the Big 12. Listen, FSU offers a circus course as part of its “academic” curriculum. Seriously. No thanks, Clown School. The Big 12 doesn’t need Circus U.
909
May 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
What FORBES magazine says about he new ACC contract:
LINK: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/05/09/did-acc-teams-get-ripped-off-with-new-espn-tv-contract/
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
@ 5150 Uoad
All I am trying to convey is that you dont know anything about FSU. When they win 11 games you will be shocked for sure. Earlier my mind must have been on your mother when I was typing. Oops! my bad red neck. I want to hear you ignorant comments when Jimbo whens 11.
SqueerFanHere
May 15th, 2012
4:35 pm
Not many non-koolaid fans know much about FSU since they fell off the radar.
GooberNole
May 15th, 2012
4:39 pm
Who wants to add a program that is facing a $2.5 million athletic department budget deficit because it can’t sell enough football tickets? The Greece of college football!
SqueerFanHere
May 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
Teddy Greenstein, Chicago Tribune
Short answer: No. And, actually, if Florida State officials continue to chirp and try to spread misinformation about the ACC’s new media-rights deal with ESPN, I think the league should send the Seminoles to bed without dinner.
When will these schools learn that conference affiliation is about more than a money grab? OK, so the Big 12’s TV deal nets its schools perhaps $3 million a year more. And FSU trustees board chairman Andy Haggard thinks that parts of the new ACC deal favor the basketball-focused “North Carolina schools.”
The real issue seems to be mismanagement. Florida State has a $2.4 million budget shortfall in its athletic department. The solution is not to try to run to another conference, which would kill rivalries and force all of its athletes to take long, unnecessary flights.
The answer is to get your house in order.
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
@ SqueerFanHere
I guarantee your mother knows about them
SqueerFanHere
May 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
Kmac
May 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
@ SqueerFanHere
“I guarantee your mother knows about them”
That’s why I am squeer!
GTBob
May 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
My point was in terms of all sports, all contracts as of the end of 2011, the SEC schools had the highest average revenue with the Big 12 being 2nd, and the Big 10 being 3rd, and the PAC being 4th.
If you are talking about just in 2011 then you might be right. None of us have access to the inner details of the contract so its hard to say for sure. If you are talking about all of the current TV contracts for each conference then you are wrong. The Big 10 is 1st, followed by the Pac 12, then the SEC, then the Big 12, then the ACC (old contract).
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
4:59 pm
Dan:
Tier I and Tier II rights are split evenly among all Big 12 teams. That was not the case before 2011. Thus Iowa State gets the same amount of revenue sharing as Texas. Its Tier III rights in which Big 12 schools are allowed to make as much as they can. Its called the free enterprise system and it is appealing to any school that isn’t afraid of its own shadow and thinks they can come up with a creative way to market themselves and make money. If you don’t like that concept, enjoy whatever socialistic, redistribute the wealth conference you want to enjoy.
Dan
May 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
@Don, I have no problem with it at all. I’m just tellin’ ya what’s happened in the past.
4 universities have run like hell from Texas. There will be more in the future. That’s all.
And you can tell me all about the contracts and whatever, when UT is in the picture, trust is just a
concept!! LOL
Dan
May 15th, 2012
5:10 pm
Now, you’ll tell me, why each university “really” ran, and how each university is “regretting” it.
LOL
Joe
May 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
Funny….you could give the same points for UGA except you could include a losing season in there
Don Green
May 15th, 2012
5:40 pm
Dan:
I don’t think anybody regrets leaving but nobody left in the Big 12 is crying any tears over any defections:
Colorado: poor sports program that was always more in line with the PAC, afraid that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were going to go there as a package without them. These guys could not compete.
Nebraska: better fit with the Big 10 and really struggled against the quicker, more athletic teams from the south division. Oklahoma and Texas basically whipped up on them on the field and in the board room.
Texas A&M: were looking for a way to energize their fan base and finally get out from under the shadow of Texas. Were getting killed in recruiting and believe the SEC card would be a refreshing one they could play to attract more recruits and they are probably right. Probably a smart move by them.
Missouri: they started the whole mess by first trying to get the Big10 to take them, they said no. Then the Texas and Oklahoma schools were going to go to the PAC without them. Looking for a stable situation. SEC will bring stability for them but they won’t be very competitive. Is really a basketball school.
It takes a special kind of team to want to compete with the recruiting, facilities, and money resources that Texas and Oklahoma bring to the table and the one’s that have really stepped up their programs like Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and Baylor have taken advantage while Texas had a couple of off years and their programs are in so much better shape as a result.
The Big 12 is a tough football conference. Not as tough as the SEC but still some pretty stout, under rated programs in the middle of a recruiting and population and economic development growth hot bed.
Bottom line, its like everything else in life, its about money, ego, and power. There is money to be made as both West Virginia and TCU ae going to find out. Both will be just as competitive if not moreso than A&M and Missouri.
VT Rules, FSU drools
May 16th, 2012
6:12 am
A $2.4M shortfall. If you wouldn’t pay coaches more than Fortune 500 CEO’s you wouldn’t find yourself in such a pickle.
VT Rules, FSU drools
May 16th, 2012
6:35 am
Having worked @ Callaway Gardens where the FSU circus performed, if I was a parent of a child who wanted a Circus degree, I’d ask for my money back.
VT Rules, FSU drools
May 16th, 2012
6:46 am
Money is the root of ALL evil. Households have to live with their means, why not Uncle Sam, Wall Street and yes, colleges. The mentality is that if we don’t buy (in our infalted ego) the best leaders our business will perish. These people who make the big, big dollars are the ruin of this country. The only jobs they ‘create’ are the souls that build their yachts and super-fast sports cares. JP Morgan looses $2B in an ill-advised scheme and the CEO still has his job. Unbelievable. If you are $2.4M in the hole, scurrying off to another conference will only increase your expenses, so where’s the benefit? WIth no results with your new coach, time to look for a renegade. I will gladly coach your team for $150,000 a year, no contract. When my team wins the BCS National championship, then you can pay me a $3M bonus.
Fsugrad
May 16th, 2012
9:05 am
Hey black red,
Let me remind you that it has only been recent years ( since the Hope scholarship) that UGA became a decent school, academically. Back in my day at FSU you could be dumb as a rock and still get into Georgia. Also, I graduated from FSU and I would like to compare bank accounts since I founded a now multi- million dollar company….yes, not everyone would agree with your warped perception of FSU’s academics.
Brian
May 16th, 2012
9:19 am
Bark about the SEC and Dawgs all you want but they put butts in seats whether they are winning or losing. Go find you a seat in Athens on any Saturday. Athens is the classic city and has an awesome campus and a loyal following. Bandwagon riders like in Tallahassee fall off and they are seeing that with non sellouts. Tradition of UGA and SEC tradition is what makes billions. Bring FSU to the SEC and watch Vandy pound on them!
LMFAO
May 16th, 2012
1:06 pm
Hey Brian yes we would be very scared of the SEC considering that when Spurrier was kicking your butts every year we were drilling them year after year. I guess you forgot:
SPURRIER 5-9-1
ALL TIME vs. FSU
Stumpknocker
May 16th, 2012
3:13 pm
……It”s been a while, but didn’t Fla St try to join the SEC ? There were several objecting votes of which Ga was one.
Benjamin
May 16th, 2012
3:34 pm
Contrary to the belief of many uninformed people, FSU/Miami’s lack of success hasn’t anything to do with the paltry TV deal (nor has the utter suck-ness of the rest of the conference minus VT). Bad timing is what made that bad deal. It’s unfortunate and the ACC has done everything they can to fix it (or at least made generally good moves in that direction). There is no way to fix it as long as ESPN holds our rights though and that is 15 years from ending. FSU simply cannot afford to lag behind Florida and the rest of the SEC for 15 years. Cannot. End of story. Unless the move to the Big-12 now they will be Pitt and Syracuse next decade. Struggling to even keep a coach even though they are a storied program (and how many of you even know how glorious Pittsburgh’s past is?). Forever relegated to has been status. Movement has nothing to do with a lack of respect for ACC programs. I’d love to remain in a conference with all of them not called Pitt, Syracuse (lack of history) or BC/Wake Forest (parasites that bring nothing to the table).
Go Jackets
May 16th, 2012
4:19 pm
One thing that would help the ACC is to go to real geographic divisions. The “ACC South” division could be UM, FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NC State, and Wake. That division would be at least as compelling as the current SEC East. The “ACC North” division could be Duke and all the schools from Virginia and up, including Syracuse and Pitt. I would also get rid of the ACC Championship game in Charlotte (talk about North Carolina bias – Wake is the only NC school that has ever even played in the game). Let’s just do the championship at the home stadium of the division winner with the better record – like the Pac 12 just did. The Oregon stadium looked out of control for that game.
John
May 17th, 2012
5:34 am
To be totally honest about it. FSU and Miami had the opportunity to join the SEC several years back but both schools were afraid that joiing the SEC would ruin any chance at a National Championship. FSU wanted to join a conference that had a strong football tradition…. All it had to do was look in its own backyard.
Chief Many-ha-has
May 17th, 2012
7:53 am
Jimbo,
I knew Bobby Bowden…Bobby was a friend of mine…Jimbo, YOU AINT NO BOBBY BOWDEN.
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CarolinaBlue
May 18th, 2012
9:50 am
fsu needs to stay in the ACC, with creampuff football and pocket all the basketball millions generated by UNC and Duke