Jonathan Vilma tries to tackle me on Twitter (missed)

Just because Jonathan Vilma can fly doesn't mean can get away with everything.

Just because Jonathan Vilma can fly doesn't mean can get away with everything.

It’s not pretty when a person becomes so desperate and is caught up in denial that he turns delusional. That appears to be the case with New Orleans linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

Earlier today, I sent out a link to ex-Saint Anthony Hargrove’s declaration to the NFL that he was told to lie by assistant coach Gregg Williams and Joe Vitt in 2010 about the existence of the team’s “bounty” program.

That three page declaration, obtained by Yahoo, is listed below. It clearly illustrates the dishonesty and coverup in the Saints’ organization about the program, and as we’ve learned lies and coverups can lead to greater penalties that the crimes themselves might have resulted in.

Anyway, the one thing I didn’t expect to happen was that Vilma and I would get into a back-and-forth on Twitter. Vilma has been suspended for the entire 2012 season. He and NFLPA consider this NFL investigation a bunch of hooey. I’ve weighed on that here.

Meanwhile, back to the Twitter debate . . .

Poking Tweet from @JeffSchultzAJC: Hey NFLPA and @JonVilma51, check this out (via Yahoo): http://yhoo.it/ISiYn0

Response from @JonVilma51: he denied the existence of a bounty program…wats ur point. Nowhere does it say there was a bounty program. Ur reaching.

Me again (imagine flabbergasted look): It says he was told to lie by coaches. Why would he be told to lie about program that didn’t exist? Can’t wait for your answer.

Reader @Clete27 is among those who chimes in: Rea@JeffSchultzAJC @JonVilma51 If it didn’t exist, why was he instructed (repeatedly) to deny its existence?

Vilma responds again: @Clete27 @jeffschultzajc I’m sorry if by responding to u, u thot I cared wat u think. U make no decisions in my world Idc wat u think

My role here is not to try to make sense of Vilma’s response, but merely to mock.

Hargrove, who now plays for Green Bay, was suspended for eight games. He admits to lying to the NFL back in 2010 when asked about the program the first time and recently came clean.

Here are two excerpts from Hargrove’s declaration that I find particularly interesting:

Coach Vitt also told me that I should deny the existence of any bounty or bounty program, and he told me to remember that he was the person who “brought [me] into the League and brought [me] to the Saints.”

The meeting lasted approximately 30 minutes, and during that time both Coach Williams and Coach Vitt told me that I should deny the existence of any bounty or bounty program to the NFL. Williams and Vitt repeatedly stated that they “care about me and … if we all stay on the same page about this, it will blow over.” They told me that when the NFL asked me about any bounty or bounty program, I should “just play dumb.”

The meeting was held on or before Feb. 24, 2010. Hargrove’s declaration was signed and dated April 13, 2012.

I’ll let you know if there are any updates on this Twitter debate.

But I can’t promise anything. Unlike Vilma, I actually have a job next season.

By Jeff Schultz

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261 comments Add your comment

MatthewH

May 7th, 2012
3:33 pm

Vilma continues to lie and Saints are cheaters, but you gotta take the high road, Jeff. Just let this die on twitter. Not that you asked for my opinion. . .

MatthewH

May 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

That being said, don’t ever lose the snarkiness.

Sluggo

May 7th, 2012
3:37 pm

Andrew

May 7th, 2012
3:39 pm

@Sluggo, more like the Taints!

Jeff Schultz

May 7th, 2012
3:41 pm

MatthewH — I figured, hey, it’s not everyday something like this happens. So I might as well milk it for a blog.

Jessica

May 7th, 2012
3:42 pm

and you’re so happy that he responded to you’re tweets that you wrote an entire article dedicated to him? LAME

Jessica

May 7th, 2012
3:42 pm

and you’re so happy that he responded to you’re tweets that you wrote an entire article dedicated to him? LAME

Jessica

May 7th, 2012
3:42 pm

and you’re so happy that he responded to you’re tweets that you wrote an entire article dedicated to him? LAME

DawginLex

May 7th, 2012
3:46 pm

Jessica

If you are going to be a hater, here are a few respected TROLL steps:

1.)Learn to spell properly. It is YOUR tweets not you’re which really means, YOU ARE
2.)Learn that there is a delay in time between when you hit SUBMIT and when the post actually appears.

Carry on

FreddyFalcon

May 7th, 2012
3:47 pm

Jessica, could you type that one more time, I missed it the first three…

Good job Jeff, keep it up.

Sherlock Holmes

May 7th, 2012
3:48 pm

Jeff you are a real idiot. You try to prove your point, by not proving your point. You posted an affidavit of Hargroves to prove your stupid point. But the affidavit does not prove your point. Hargroves only admits denying the existence of a bounty program. Nowhere in his statements does Hargrove acknowledge the existence of a bounty program. Moreover, he was told to “play dumb” not to “lie” as you moronically pointed out. Playing dumb about allegations which are not proven is not the same thing as lying. Not only did you not prove a lie, but you put words into someone else’s mouth, even though you posted an affidavit of what that mouth said. Jeff, are you an idiot? And should be making sense of what you are saying? Or mocking you?

Dee

May 7th, 2012
3:49 pm

It seems Aints players are just as delusional as their fans. Asterisk, indeed.

Bullseye

May 7th, 2012
3:50 pm

Jessica would have been so happy, she would have written three articles.

RecentWreck

May 7th, 2012
3:50 pm

Jeff, I believe your first mistake was actually believing Vilma had the comprehension abilities to understand Hargrove’s deposition. Perhaps he’ll work on reading at a 5th grade level in his extended off-season. Cheers

PMC

May 7th, 2012
3:51 pm

It’s easy to not get suspended for being a lying cheating decitful MFer.

All you have to do is not be a lying cheating deceiful MFer.

Whether it’s Jon Vilma or Roger Clemens or Ben Rothlisburger or whomever. If you don’t do anything wrong, you don’t get suspended.

mediocrity continues...

May 7th, 2012
3:51 pm

Obviously you’ve hit a nerve with Vilma, very out of character for you Jeffy. Keep the heat on him, DO IT.

evan

May 7th, 2012
3:51 pm

Vilma should stick to battling on the field instead of on the internet. Battling on the internet requires intellect and he’s entering the fight unarmed.

DawginLex

May 7th, 2012
3:52 pm

Sherlock

You been out of the game a while I take it?

Why would a coach promise a player a position only on the condition he deny the existence of a bounty program that really doesn’t exist???

Hmmmm???

Canadians_ Falcon_Hawks_Braves

May 7th, 2012
3:53 pm

I am confused… I was under the impression that we (Falcons) are the dirty birds. Oh well, the saints beat us to that.

The Truth

May 7th, 2012
3:54 pm

Something is missing in this document. Oh yes this “The Saints had a bounty program which I participated in and was told to lie about.” The document only says what he was told to say when questioned, he never states for a fact a bounty program existed. As long as the commish can stay out of court, he is ok. If he has to provide this type of documentation in court, it gets ripped to shreds. You can assume bounty program, but this is not actual 100% proof, just like you could assume the glove belonged to O.J. but not 100% proof.

GT Alum

May 7th, 2012
3:54 pm

A couple of twits exchanging tweets.

UGA 11

May 7th, 2012
3:59 pm

@ The Truth

It wouldn’t be “ripped to shreds” in court once former players were subpoenaed and forced to take the oath swearing to take the truth. That’s the only way the entire truth gets out in all likelihood.

UGA 11

May 7th, 2012
4:00 pm

**tell the truth, I meant

doc

May 7th, 2012
4:01 pm

vilma is showing signs of an even greater threat to the nfl … significant brain injury with loss of reasoning faculties.

SWAT Native

May 7th, 2012
4:03 pm

@ Jeff – no sympathies for Vilma or the Saints from me, but it sounds like you started it.

The Truth

May 7th, 2012
4:05 pm

UGA11…Fair point and it will be best if it comes to that. Leaking documents like the one above only lead to more speculation. If this is the best they have, then a lot of questions are still to be answered.

Johnny Dakota

May 7th, 2012
4:05 pm

Pretty sure Lagwin’s lesson in grammar is incorrect.. not what he is stating, but how it applies to Jessica’s post… Oops..

Bubba Bean

May 7th, 2012
4:06 pm

Outstanding Jeff! Wow, is Vilma that delusional or does he believe like Roger Clemens and deny, deny, deny……………..until you believe it yourself.

wreckbuzz

May 7th, 2012
4:07 pm

I’m not sure what there is left to debate for Mr. Vilma. He’s been suspended for a year. In what lifetime does he and the NFLPA expect that it might be reduced? Have they met Roger Goodell? The man has conviction.

It is very instructive in Vilma’s tweets that he makes a comment that Hargrove “denied the existence of a bounty program”. He doesn’t say “I’ve done nothing wrong.” That tells me what I need to know. Innocent people lead off with professing their innocence, then they’ll profess their innocence and finally they profess their innocence. They never try to make a nuanced argument about a technicality.

realitycheck

May 7th, 2012
4:08 pm

Schultz is still obsessed with the Saints and seems to take every shot he can at either them or Nick Saban, but always one or the other. If the Saints, Bama or LSU for that matter have good seasons, old homer Jeff will need to be on suicide watch. BTW, i’d imagine he hates the Celtics too. Must be fun being a sportswriter in losersville USA. LOL!

James

May 7th, 2012
4:13 pm

Sherlock,

I’ve heard that Jeff prides himself on being a ‘real’ idiot, as opposed to a ‘fake’ one. We are all about authenticity here.

Lee

May 7th, 2012
4:13 pm

What I find sad is that no one really outed Jonathan for his horrible English. “I’m sorry if by responding to u, u thot I cared wat u think. U make no decisions in my world Idc wat u think”…I mean come on man you look like you barely got out of 8th grade even though you have a Bachelor’s in Finance from University of Miami.

Well it's official

May 7th, 2012
4:14 pm

“I’m sorry if by responding to u, u thot I cared wat u think. U make no decisions in my world Idc wat u think”

Wow. I would expect better grammar and spelling from a sixth grader. Vilma somehow managed to graduate from High School and attend a private college, Miami. How in the world can this guy pass a college course? The NCAA may have to go back and take another hard look at Miami.

DawgInaTruck

May 7th, 2012
4:14 pm

Vilma knows he is guilty and knows he is caught. He and the Aints will live with an asterisk by any accomplishments during this era. One would think they would shut up and let other news dominate the headlines. Whining like a bunch of busted beeyatches only makes them look worse.

Charlie S

May 7th, 2012
4:16 pm

For you great detectives/lawyers like Sherlock, what do you think #5 and 7 mean? SMH I bet you same folk where behind Clinton debating what the definition of “is” is.

redcoat

May 7th, 2012
4:16 pm

Jessica……….I thought it was very interesting…..and your response, entered 3 times, was a true example of LAME.

DawginLex

May 7th, 2012
4:17 pm

Johnny Dakota

May 7th, 2012
4:05 pm
Pretty sure Lagwin’s lesson in grammar is incorrect.. not what he is stating, but how it applies to Jessica’s post… Oops..

****************************

Oh really?

she said YOU’RE TWEETS

They are YOUR TWEETS

Now how was I wrong?

Well it's official

May 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

Vilma is a snake that has been backed into a corner. He is so delusional that he is starting to believe his own lies. Typical trash ‘Aints player. Maybe their fans will go back to wearing a gorcery sack over their head this season

Damage Inc.

May 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

Not taking up for the jerk but that type od short hand is pretty common in twitter. p.s. I hate the saints

BFellows

May 7th, 2012
4:22 pm

You have a job watching sports and moonlighting as the president of your local 99lb wealking club, just like all the other sportswriters that have played the same number of downs as most 8 year old girls. Grow up.

Jeff

May 7th, 2012
4:22 pm

Yeah but for not working he will make over a million and you will still be irrelevant

rxdawg79

May 7th, 2012
4:23 pm

@Johnny Dakota: Well, she did post “he responded to YOU’RE tweets” (caps added by me for emphasis, since it seems you missed the contraction on YOUR first reading). And “you’re” does indeed mean “you are” as Dawginlex has correctly stated. Therein lies the connection to her post.

Vilma's 1st Grade Teacher

May 7th, 2012
4:23 pm

I tried to teach Jonathan how to read and write in school but he just wouldn’t listen. He was always just staring out the window and licking the glass. He used to give other kids his lunch money if they would hit other students in the face playing dodge ball during recess. I should have seen this coming a long time ago.

Vilma's 1st Grade Teacher

May 7th, 2012
4:24 pm

“Yeah but for not working he will make over a million and you will still be irrelevant”

Nope. He is suspended with out pay, losing over 5 million next year. Who is irrelevant now???

Fred Flintstone

May 7th, 2012
4:24 pm

DawginLex

May 7th, 2012
4:26 pm

Vilma went to Renegade U

doesn’t that explain it?

DanSmith

May 7th, 2012
4:27 pm

Good Good let the butt hurt flow through. Nothing like hearing a bitter falcon fan cry and whine.

Benjamin

May 7th, 2012
4:27 pm

Vilma’s 1st Grade Teacher: Post of the year…

@ Schultzie, it’s good to know you still have your snark pills on occasion. This whole deal has brightened up my Monday.

Who Dat

May 7th, 2012
4:27 pm

As log as we continue to OWN the Falcons, Vilma, Brees and the rest of our boys can say anything they dayum well please! The “dirty birds” are all talk and no walk. We’ll beat you even without our H/C or star LB! Tell Matty “Slush” Ryan to get ready to be on his back – AGAIN!

Benjamin

May 7th, 2012
4:30 pm

Who Dat, you may just own the first pick in the draft next year before all this is said and done…

This has been the most disastrous offseason in the history of the league. And, as a Falcons fan, I don’t even hate you guys. Brees is one of my favorite players and has been a guy that I’ve loved since he was at Purdue and you guys had Aaron Brooks under center. But, c’mon man, even you have to admit this has been a rough few months.