Loss aside, these Braves look way ahead of last season
Chipper Jones sees something in these Braves that was absent in 2011. (Curtis Compton/AJC)
(Updated: 10:05 p.m.)
When the Braves started this season 0-4, a number of thoughts went through the minds of fans, not a single one of which was: “Do you realize that we could still go 158-4? That would be a record.”
But when the first month of the season ended Monday, the Braves were operating in relative bliss. (Well, bliss interrupted by the implausible wrecking ball of the Pittsburgh Pirates, but bliss nonetheless.) Until a 9-3 loss to the Pirates, they were 14-4 following that 0-4 hiccup, a nice place to be with the Philadelphia Phillies coming to town.
It’s not merely that the Braves suddenly found themselves winning games but that they were winning them in ways that suggested this stretch won’t be viewed as some aberration at season’s end.
That projection may seem just as knee-jerk as those who were panicking at 0-4. But consider the words of Chipper Jones when he was asked if he ever sensed that last season’s team had the same character traits as this one, even when things were going well in 2011.
“No,” he said. “Last year for a while things just came easy for us. Then when things got tough and we started falling into some bad luck, it just went downhill. Guys’ hits went down. It was like we were sitting there waiting for something bad to happen. But now we’re going out and taking the bull by the horns.”
This all may seem like standard, rah-rah, go-team bunk to some. But the hiring of hitting coaches Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher has paid significant dividends, and there just seems to be an edge about this team that wasn’t evident a year ago.
The reaction to the 0-4 start bordered on hysterical. But it wasn’t completely surprising. When a team dropkicks a playoff berth the way the Braves did a year ago, there is bound to be a hangover with fans. But you can tell a lot about a team by how it reacts during losing streaks (or 0-4 starts).
“I’ve been on teams, not the Braves, where people kind of jokingly would draw a button on the white board with the word ‘panic’ on it,” Matt Diaz said. “I’ve heard stories on other teams where somebody would draw a picture of a ship under the water, as in, ‘This ship is sinking.’ And that was while they were in first place. But there’s never a sense of panic here.”
The Braves managed only 10 runs in the first four games (2.5). They scored 103 in the next 18 (5.7). Until Mike Minor’s implosion Monday — seven runs, two homers, eight hits, three walks in 6 1/3 innings) — the starting pitching had been so good that the bullpen was on a relative spring break.
How do we know this team won’t fizzle like last year’s? We don’t.
But health likely will be the biggest factor, especially Jones. It’s a different team with him. Before Monday, the Braves were 10-1 when he was in the starting lineup, 4-7 when he wasn’t. It’s not just what he brings as a hitter or in the field. He’s a “calming influence” (his words), and he can’t lead if he’s on the bench.
“It’s my responsibility to stay on top of things,” he said. “Obviously 0-4 is not insurmountable, but moreover what you try to get across to these guys is learning how to win. The sign of championship teams are the guys who bring it day in and day out. That’s why we were on top for so long. That’s why the Phillies have been on top for so long.”
Last season he suggested the Braves got complacent (my word).
“We were pitching so well, we didn’t have to go out and score runs,” he said. “Then all of a sudden some of the guys in the rotation went down, guys in the bullpen got tired and it got difficult. When we really had to concentrate on every at-bat, executing in certain situations, whether it was a bunt, hitting behind a runner, getting a guy in from third with two outs, we couldn’t do that.”
It’s still early. We’ve learned that scientific samplings don’t come until September. But at least this year’s team doesn’t look like it’s waiting for something to happen.
By Jeff Schultz
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124 comments Add your comment
Steve
April 30th, 2012
7:51 pm
A live blog on a Monday night?! Sweet. Braves are rolling for sure! Curious to see how long Washington keeps it up without any hitting.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:00 pm
What the heck, Monday night is alright for blogging . . . Wasn’t that an Elton John song?
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
8:04 pm
game should be 3 to 2 if the umpire wasn’t so blind on Bourn’s steal!!
JS- you should also point out the fact they’ve won what, the past 5 or 6 series.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:06 pm
Jeff,
How about that big soccer game today? What a game!
ZinoDawg
April 30th, 2012
8:06 pm
Win tonight then butcher the Fillys.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:06 pm
Minor got that one up to Pedro Alvarez and he crushed it. That’s 5 for him and a 4-2 Pirates lead.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:07 pm
Willy — There was a soccer game today? I thought the Atlanta Beat folded (again)?
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:09 pm
Why are their pyrotechnics in Turner Field for Minor striking out Rod Barajas (.130)? He almost shouldn’t count.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:11 pm
Over in England there was. The derby between Man. U and Man. City.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:12 pm
The AJC needs more of an international scope when covering sports.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:14 pm
Why is Atlanta considered the worst professional sports town?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:14 pm
Is Mark Bradley taller than his refrigerator?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:16 pm
Why does Ted Turner have a permanent milk mustache on his face?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:17 pm
Did Bud Selig ever play baseball at some point in his life?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:18 pm
Does the Cheetah Club really have cheetahs?
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:19 pm
Wow Willy you sure are making this blog fun. Atlanta isn’t the worst. I would put Miami, Cleveland, and Oakland at the top.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:19 pm
Willy — So many questions. So little time. But I have been to the Cheetah once and never did see an actual cheetah. So I never went back.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:21 pm
Why is Jimmy Carter allowed to go to Braves games?
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:21 pm
What a game for Eric Hinske — a hard bunt single to third base to exploit a Pirates’ shift, and a broken bat bloop single. But it just says 2 for 2 in the box score.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:22 pm
By the way Willy, what’s more “international” than baseball?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:23 pm
Eric Hinske likes his sunflower seeds covered in cinnamon.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:24 pm
Soccer is more international than baseball. Baseball isn’t really played in Africa.
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:25 pm
And soccer isn’t really played in the United States : )
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:26 pm
Whoa, is Brooks Conrad still on the Braves?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:26 pm
Steve, I resent that comment.
Dwayne
April 30th, 2012
8:28 pm
hmmmmm. soccer or watch paint dry….watch paint dry wins by a goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllll
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jeff, for a real question, whatever happened to Marcus Giles?
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:31 pm
Dwayne,
Shouldn’t you be rehearsing your lines for that movie, the “Toothy Fairy”, right now?
Dwayne
April 30th, 2012
8:34 pm
or mayne watch paint dry wins by a goal
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:34 pm
Willy — I’m putting you on commenting probation unless it’s about the game.
Dwayne
April 30th, 2012
8:35 pm
or gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:36 pm
But Jeff, I don’t have a TV to watch the game
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:36 pm
I’m just a poor grad. student
Dwayne
April 30th, 2012
8:37 pm
by the way…Go Braves
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:37 pm
Steve — Marcus Giles’ head exploded. Seriously, he was one of the biggest jack***** I’ve ever covered. But seriously (really), he has been out of baseball for 5 years and not sure what he’s doing now. Probably back living in San Diego.
Dwayne
April 30th, 2012
8:38 pm
one more thing….Hey (wet) Willy, “just keep on smiling”
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:38 pm
Willy — I see you’re getting a lot of studying done.
Maple Drive, Griffin, GA
April 30th, 2012
8:38 pm
Eric Hinske has a full back tattoo, dragons!
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
8:40 pm
to answer the majority of your questions willy- yes!! forbes ranked ATL the worst sports city, primarily due to the horrible owners/corporations that own the teams (with the exception of Blank & the Falcons). Sherman cursed this city after he burned it and we’ve suffered since. Ted Turner’s mustache is not milk, its the ashes of 100 dollar bills glued to his face.
Marteen is a Ballplayer
April 30th, 2012
8:40 pm
I came on just to vent about Eddings and the gang…we are winning the series despite Eddings and his crew. Bourn out at second, check swing by Freeman, dead ball off the foot yesterday that they allowed a run (and screwed up my Braves by 1 1/2).
Okay feel better…kinda.
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:41 pm
How do you really feel Jeff? Ha. Sorry to hear he was like that. I am sure that’s not fun to deal with! Seems like players like that are few and far between in a Braves uniform. Escobar learned that the hard way it seems.
chem
April 30th, 2012
8:41 pm
Get back in the lab Willy
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:41 pm
Clemson is a joke of a school.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
8:43 pm
JS- was Giles worse than DeAngelo Hall though in terms of jack*****??
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:44 pm
Shocking performance by Minor! Guess you can’t dominate them all!
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:45 pm
His name is Minor, which means he should be in the Minor Leagues, rooming with Jurrjens!!!!
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
8:47 pm
did i hear that correctly, first time this season pirates scored more than 5 runs in a game?? of course, braves make that happen!!
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:49 pm
I miss Skip Caray.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
8:51 pm
mccann needs to learn how to play against the shift!!
G
April 30th, 2012
8:51 pm
McCann has not been any factor so far this season
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:52 pm
Why is Minor still in the game?
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
8:53 pm
Chipper just hit one 399 feet, 6 inches to the 400 foot part of Turner Field.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:54 pm
So was it an out or what?
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:54 pm
Here comes the McCann bashing. Yea, terrible catcher! Maybe one day he will make the all-star team or win a sliver slugger award.
Steve
April 30th, 2012
8:55 pm
Willy if you are on a computer, you can listen to the game online. Even a kid like you should know this.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
8:57 pm
I don’t know want to hear the announcer’s voice.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:00 pm
Marcus Giles pled guilty to a battery charge back in 2010, according to the San Diego news.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
9:09 pm
Steve– Funny about Escobar. A lot of media members (most) hated him. I always got along with him for some reason. Emotional, immature, sure. But I think he got dumped on a little too much.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
9:09 pm
Of course I pick tonight to write a column about how great the Braves are playing, as they’re getting crushed by the Pirates.
Biff Pocoroba
April 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
Fredi should be fined everytime he puts Durbin on the mound. That guy is purely awful and everyone can see it but Fredi and Wren
Steve
April 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
Going out on a limb and calling this a loss. At least the lowly Phillies are in next! Good evening.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:13 pm
Jeff,
You could instead write your column about the time Chipper Jones told me to kiss his ass during spring training while signing autographs. I’ll sell you the story for $10.
Tim381
April 30th, 2012
9:18 pm
Somebody commented recently about Freddie Gonzalez’s managerial decisions. One that I question is why he insists on going with Chad Durbin when obviously we should have never signed him in the first place. Release him and make room for one of our deserving kids from the farm system. I couldn’t believe it when he was called in to pitch in the seventh inning.
up north
April 30th, 2012
9:23 pm
OK, time to send Durbin packing.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:27 pm
What ever happened to the AJC’s Doug Robertson?
Tim381
April 30th, 2012
9:28 pm
Oh Good! Finally bring in Livan Hernandez AFTER the floodgates were opened by Chad Durbin..
Felix
April 30th, 2012
9:31 pm
The Braves are playing so bad tonight that my dog has been barking at the TV.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
9:31 pm
Willy — It’s Roberson and he covers Georgia State.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
9:32 pm
Braves down 9-3. But I figure after the Grizzlies blew a 27 point lead, this should be nothing.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:34 pm
Now that the game is practically over, shall we talk about Downton Abbey?
Eldrick
April 30th, 2012
9:36 pm
Mark Bradley said the season was over at 0-4
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:38 pm
Mark Bradley is no Furman Bisher.
Jeff Schultz
April 30th, 2012
9:48 pm
Eldrick — “Mark Bradley said the season was over at 0-4″
<<< Glad I didn’t have money on that.
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
Time to go to the Cheetah!
Willy
April 30th, 2012
9:59 pm
What time is your curfew Jeff?
jo
April 30th, 2012
10:01 pm
The bad braves are back! I was worried about the good imposters but glad to see them go so we can have the 0-4 team back……(sarcasm)
ed
April 30th, 2012
10:28 pm
Freddy…please straighten out that swing. There is no prize for the highest popup. McCann and Chipper have not been the leaders lately, Durbin has come back down to earth. Lee, Halladay and what’s his name are gonna get well quickly this week. I am all doom and gloom. But I still think our pitchers should bat second instead of ninth.
DaveinNEPA
April 30th, 2012
11:16 pm
Anybody notice that our all-star catcher is mired in a slump again? I sure hope Fredi has because right now, McCann shouldn’t be hitting 4th. JMO
Steve McP
April 30th, 2012
11:29 pm
It’s not soccer it’s football – of course I am British, so I guess that taints my view, but it was a very exciting and close game.
The Grinch
May 1st, 2012
12:49 am
Huh-huh-huh. Steve McP said “taint.”
Elvis in Memphis
May 1st, 2012
1:04 am
Hinske has a dragon tattoo? Really? Jeff, can you find out the scoop on this one? Thank you. Thank you very much!
Billy
May 1st, 2012
2:11 am
Jeff – I asked the same question that Steve posed earlier about Marcus Giles about 3-4 years ago on DOB’s blog and got dogged in pretty dismissive fashion for it. Admittedly, my subsequent response wasn’t terribly tactful and I regret that, but I still thought it was a pretty fair question given how dramatically his career tanked. Anyway, thanks for having the honesty and integrity to answer the question and keep up the good writing.
Longtimefan
May 1st, 2012
6:55 am
Braves lead NL in runs scored. So much for the crowd during ST and the beginning of the season saying the offense was anemic and why wasn’t FW getting us another bat. Guess maybe he does know what he’s doing.
Space Monkey
May 1st, 2012
7:04 am
McCann needs to bunt to break the shift.
rickman
May 1st, 2012
7:27 am
Bat stat: last two games braves 1 for 13 and 1 for 10 with runners on…Pitt was something like 50% with runners on…Not going to win games with no clutch hitting…
James
May 1st, 2012
7:32 am
They just got destroyed by a sub-par Pirates team. They still have a long way to go. A very long way to go. They should be embarrassed by their performance last night. The people of Atlanta should also be embarrassed by their support of this team. The attendance at last night’s game had to be about 20,000. Pathetic
Whiskey Breath
May 1st, 2012
8:01 am
Jeff, this team is not much different than other years. We start out leading the division and we fold in August when the competition get’s tougher. Did you just mover here? Oh yea, I forgot, you are supposed to tell the readers what they want to hear.
Wes Covington
May 1st, 2012
8:03 am
Hinkske needs to show McCann how to beat the shift, by dropping a bunt. Do that a few times, and the shift will go. Not to mention, you won’t be hitting .235.
Game Changer
May 1st, 2012
8:11 am
Schultz- All games count the same in win lose columns. Still very early and somewhat positive at this time. Braves have been fortunate of the first month schedule and like not facing Dodgers top two pitchers in the series last week. Again, Atlanta has to have these breaks to compete.
Concerns, pitching is not that strong, Chipper is old and brittle but absolutely GREAT when available, Freeman is young and must continue top level hitting, Bourn has to continue getting on base and fielding at a top level, the others will drop off.
Willy's Wanker
May 1st, 2012
8:17 am
When Durbin & Livan come in, the white flag has been raised ! Game over !
Willy's Wanker
May 1st, 2012
8:48 am
When Ryan Howard & Chase Utley return the Phillies will make a big run. We all know it.
Joey
May 1st, 2012
8:48 am
How long can a manager leave a hitter at “cleanup,” when he isn’t cleaning up anything?
Dwayne
May 1st, 2012
8:55 am
Joey, Fredi is still clueless…..
Newt Gingrich, Mark Sanford and John Edwards
May 1st, 2012
9:08 am
Heck with baseball! Where are the women at?
Bill Clinton
May 1st, 2012
9:11 am
In my lap.
NORRIS CHUCK
May 1st, 2012
9:22 am
“No,” he said. “Last year for a while things just came easy for us. Then when things got tough and we started falling into some bad luck, it just went downhill. Guys’ hits went down. It was like we were sitting there waiting for something bad to happen. But now we’re going out and taking the bull by the horns.”
But let Freddi tell it, and it sounds like this….”There was no pressure.”
So it was basically what everybody saw last season….they choked!
Joey
May 1st, 2012
9:23 am
True. I remember the season after Chipper won the batting title (09?) and he didn’t hit a lick, but Bobby left him at the 3-hole all season.
I questioned the sanity of Cox on Bradley’s blog, and MB answered me that Cox was a player’s manager, and “would never ‘disrespect’ Chipper by moving him down in the order.”
It seemed to me that a player, any player, would welcome a move that would take the pressure off of himself like that, til he got it going again.
Apparently Fredi, like Bobby, is a “player’s manager.”
ajc sports fan
May 1st, 2012
9:30 am
Damn good ..Jeff!
ajc sports fan
May 1st, 2012
9:34 am
Braves maybe should pick up Oswalt as some insurance. Whats your opinions?
Dumb Dawgs
May 1st, 2012
9:44 am
“Before Monday, the Braves were 10-1 when he was in the starting lineup, 4-7 when he wasn’t.”
So if the Braves have to rely on a 40 year old, they’re in big big trouble.
reckingball
May 1st, 2012
10:40 am
Time for most of the folks(in front of me here, on this page), to start manning the lifeboats.
Lost 2 out of the last 4, I suppose it’s about time to throw the towel in, for the rest of the season.
IF, those Pirates hitters, start hitting, Pittsburg is going to give those Central Div. teams, a run for their money. They have excellent starting pitching.
Go Braves! Beat the Phils.
reckingball
May 1st, 2012
10:42 am
Also, there has been some pretty bad umpiring in a lot of the Brave’s games, so far.
That looked like one of the worst umpiring crews that have called a Braves series, thus far.
Willy
May 1st, 2012
10:48 am
DMX!!!!!!
myside
May 1st, 2012
11:00 am
Minor is a very good pitcher. A very good pitcher seldom has this type of game, but they all have them.
myside
May 1st, 2012
11:09 am
There are printed MLB rules that state the strike zone, whether a batter swings or not, and the difference betwrrn safe or out on the bases.
Too many umps disregard these printed rules and just make up their own as a game progresses. Their lack of going by the printed rules affects the out come of too many games.
That has to be addressed by MLB higher ups and by the umps union bosses.
DetroitBraves
May 1st, 2012
11:34 am
@myside, I agree with you on the strikezone issues but my understanding is that the umpires’ union is fairly strong, and that these guys are nearly impossible to fire. I don’t get it either.
iTiSi
May 1st, 2012
11:57 am
The worrisome thing is that the Braves pulled the same thing with the Pirates they did several times last year. A team comes in like Pittsburgh, who had been terrible, had only scored about 40 runs so far, and the Braves split with them. That is really uncalled for. I predict a reversal of last year. The Braves start off good, and finish bad for the second half. Here’s the definition of “Eternal Optimist” again: One who thinks everything will turn out OK even if the same negative things keep happening over and over again, year after year. Strange how close that is to the latest definition of “Stupidity”. That one is: Someone who keeps doing the same dumb thing over and over and expecting different results.
Frustrated, Inc.
May 1st, 2012
12:08 pm
Oh, so Chad Durbin is on this pitching staff to eliminate complacency by the position players. That makes perfect sense…
Kathy
May 1st, 2012
12:16 pm
Willy, Chipper probably told you to kiss his a** because you were being a jacka** to him like you’re being on here. Hopefully Marcus Giles’ battery charge was for trying to knock some sense in to you! Grow up.
Chris
May 1st, 2012
12:17 pm
Split with the Pirates……..this team has not even played above average talent yet. To have the illusion that this group is of championhip caliber is to have your had in the sand. The TV talking heads have discounted the Pirates during both series as if the Braves are one of the elite teams. What a joke.
Largo
May 1st, 2012
12:45 pm
Jeff. . .I have watched closely, for the last couple of years, at replays of someone attempting to steal second base. What I see is the umpire’s call is wrong approx forty percent of the time. Any comment?
ajc sports fan
May 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
U are right Largo…Now, how do we stop it?
Braves will win tonight..bet on it. Oh, so will Hawks.
Wilbo
May 1st, 2012
2:07 pm
It’s early, you goofball homer. Who cares what the Braves do early? The team has a sorry and sordid history of looking great until the chips and down and then folding like a house of cards come October. Last year they just got ahead of themselves and blew it a few weeks early. Now because they’ve played well for 3 weeks in April, that’s supposed to mean something?
Willy
May 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
Kathy, go make me a sandwich.
bfred
May 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Freeman’s a heck of a player but MAN does that picture make him look dumb. McCann needs to teach him to breathe through his nose.
4th place finish in 2012
May 1st, 2012
5:11 pm
Mike Minor reminds me of Mark Mulder when he was pitching for the A’s. Mulder could throw some real gems…and then have a night like Minor did last night when he was basically throwing batting practice.
However, he’d come back the next time out and throw 8 strong innings.
John Calipari
May 1st, 2012
6:06 pm
Hey Braves: If you want to win a World Series, I recommend that you cheat. That what I do at Kentucky and I won an NCAA title. I cheated everywhere else I’ve been too. I recommend that you start taking steroids, pay off the umps, cork the bats, throw spitters, or whatever else it takes–just go ahead and cheat.
That 1 game
May 1st, 2012
10:28 pm
“Obviously 0-4 is not insurmountable”
but you never know where the one loss will come from which assures your historic collapse in September!
“if the Braves won just 1 game in their first 4, this collapse could have been avoided completely”
Double Zero Eight
May 2nd, 2012
7:48 am
The Braves will finish third in the division.
They are a little above average.
B
May 2nd, 2012
8:50 am
Haha now that you write this junk, they will go on a big losing streak. Already at 2 now. Stupid atlanta sportswriters are a joke
iTiSi
May 2nd, 2012
11:38 am
JS is seeing things that most realistic people are not seeing. We see that it is just a different year, and SOBs(same old Braves)! Jeff is now a bonafide member of the ETERNAL OPTIMISTS CLUB.
Braves #1
May 2nd, 2012
1:39 pm
the braves are a lot better and should make the playoffs this year. With good pitching, the braves can beat the phillies.
chokeville
May 2nd, 2012
8:16 pm
just like other atl teams, the braves will find some way to choke again. It never fails.
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