Falcons can have new building — as long as they pay for it

The only thing wrong with this building is it doesn't make Arthur Blank enough money. (AJC photo)

The Georgia Dome is only 20 years old and just fine as a sports venue. (AJC photo)

This is the way it used to work in sports: Build a stadium for a sports team. Decades later, when it grew old and weathered and shingles began to fall from the roof and maybe the rats began to build condominiums, there would be discussion about tearing it down and starting over.

This is the way it works now in sports: Build a stadium for a sports team. A decade or two later (maybe), when the building ceases in its perceived ability to generate enough revenue for the sports owner, then it’s time to build a new one to make him happy.

There is an increasing likelihood that the Georgia Dome, which opened 20 years ago, is going to be torn down, giving way to a retractable roof stadium. The cost of the new palace: $947 million. This assumes it doesn’t go up (which it will) or Groupon doesn’t run a special on stadium seats and drink holders.

Falcons owner Arthur Blank has long ago expressed his desire for a new stadium, and as a general rule when self-made billionaires express an interest in something, they get it. Give the man credit for this: He’s probably going to pull this off without once alienating the public by threatening to move his team to Los Angeles, Toronto or London, or just selling it to Winnipeg. That’s not an easy feat.

As Blank has said to me on a few occasions about the stadium issue, “It’s kind of like making sausage.” In other words, it’s best to just enjoy the finished product rather than focus on the ugly details of how it came to be.

But there’s something wrong with this. There’s something wrong when a perfectly good building is scheduled to be detonated. There’s something wrong when even one taxpayer dollar – let alone $300 million – is used toward somebody’s football stadium. Do we have other economic issues, or is that all just a political smear campaign?

Blank, like any owner, wants to generate more revenue. (AP photo)

Blank, like any owner, wants to generate more revenue. (AP photo)

Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against the Falcons having a new stadium. I certainly have nothing against Blank, who has been as strong and beloved of a sports owner as this city ever has had. It’s difficult not to like Blank as a person, a businessman and a sports fan. He is passionate and generous. He is neither a corporate logo nor a buffoon, two things we see far too much of in sports ownership.

It’s also easy to understand Blank’s position on this: He can’t generate enough revenue in the Georgia Dome – enough being relative to the giant ATM-like stadiums that exist in Dallas, Washington and New York. The Georgia Dome doesn’t have enough suites, enough signage, enough martini bars. It’s the reason the Falcons’ overall value pales in comparison to that of other NFL franchises.

But the Georgia Dome is just fine for spectators. It’s just fine for teams. It’s just fine for a Final Four or a monster truck race or a trade show. Nobody is affected by the fact that it doesn’t make a sufficient “cha-ching” sound for the Falcons other than the Falcons’ owner.

New buildings are nice. But the Falcons are a private business, not a post office or a branch of government. I just happen to believe that business owners should pay for the building that houses their business.  I know – such a quaint and novel thought.

It’s true that Blank and the Georgia World Congress Center Authority are going to be partners in this venture. But the fact remains that the GWCC would not be seeking a new building if the Falcons didn’t want one. It shouldn’t matter that the $300 million contribution for the proposed new stadium is coming from a hotel-motel sales tax and therefore not directly coming out of the pockets of most Atlanta residents. I’m just as angry any time I travel to another city and have to pay a tax for a stadium or arena there for the same reason.

Too many stadiums are being built today because cities are held hostage by sports franchises — and I say this somebody who grew up as a sports fan and makes their living covering the teams.

A new stadium would look lovely, yes. But the Georgia Dome isn’t a scar on downtown. Other areas of downtown are the scars. What’s being done about that? Would $300 million help?

The building isn’t crumbling. Our priorities are.

By Jeff Schultz

460 comments Add your comment

Lewis Martin

April 25th, 2012
6:53 pm

You make some good points.

Sluggo

April 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

PSLs are on the way.

Panther Poop

April 25th, 2012
7:07 pm

Is the location still in the air? I remember talk about North Atlanta. Any update?

Get Real

April 25th, 2012
7:08 pm

If Blank needs my money to build a stadium I want it paid back in 10 years.

If I am going to invest in a new stadium I want the best/greatest ever built. Retractable roof? Fine, but not enough, it’s been done. Come up with the first something, the biggest something, the most something. I want Jerry Jones red faced over how yesterday his stadium is now that the Falcons have their new stadium. I want the NFL to beg us to have a Super Bowl in Atlanta. I want people around the world to ask their team principals “why didn’t we do that?”

If Blank just wants a different stadium that he can make more money from, let him build it. If he wants to have the envy of the sporting world, I’m in.

JSS

April 25th, 2012
7:09 pm

Told you so!!! Luckily the State’s contribution is capped at $300 million (it should have never gotten above $175 million). The key is to stay on top of any attempt by the Falcons or the GWCC authority to push for land or infrastructure improvements into line areas of the State agency or the city of Atlanta budgets!

lanier

April 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

a new stadium is just stupid. the fans would end up being blead

Dom

April 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

Couldn’t agree more Jeff. My first thought on hearing the Georgia Dome could be torn down for a new stadium was “Yeah, because that’s the big problem in America today – some people have to make do with 20-year-old stadiums”.

Scott Case

April 25th, 2012
7:17 pm

REBUILD FULTON COUNTY STADIUM!

GStateBen

April 25th, 2012
7:18 pm

Where will my precious Panthers play????

Kane337

April 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

I agree Jeff, but the current stadium was a crummy deal for the Falcons that the Smith’s (Falcon’s previous owners) made. The Falcons constantly rank around 28-30 every year out of 32 teams in generating revenue. I want the Falcons able to compete financially and on the field against other teams in big markets. Sux it hits the tax payers. Glad that I do not stay at hotels in downtown Atlanta.

Festus

April 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

Tell it brother… you are 100% correct on this one.

Ewww

April 25th, 2012
7:23 pm

So will the Stadium be built else where?

"Chef" Tim Dix

April 25th, 2012
7:28 pm

if King Arthur wants to pay for it, I hope it makes Jerry’s palace look like a piss shed.

"Chef" Tim Dix

April 25th, 2012
7:35 pm

BTW, the Dome never looks or sounds better than the SEC Championship Game.

tom

April 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

I think you meant to have a ? on the end of your last sentence, Jeff.

Andy

April 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

Two Jewish guys should not be talking about sausages. The analogy isn’t good and the outcome won’t be either.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

April 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

so hypothetically, lets say they did demolish the dome. construction takes awhile- where do the falcons play their home games?? Athens, Turner Field, GT, Phillips??

62jacket

April 25th, 2012
7:46 pm

Funny thing, when I built a new shed a while back, Home Depot said they didn’t give discounts. If Arthur wants a new building of his own, let him pay for it. He can afford it.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

April 25th, 2012
7:46 pm

improvements to the gulch i hope!!

LDawg

April 25th, 2012
7:47 pm

So how much is Arthur, the self-made billionaire kicking in?

lumiere

April 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

Tax wealthy sportswriters to pay for it.

Bat Masterson

April 25th, 2012
7:49 pm

The NFL is nothing but a bunch of freaking socialists.

Probably caused by the fluoride in the water.

El Bravo

April 25th, 2012
7:51 pm

The stadium will be built within the GWCC grounds, adjacent to the Dome.

El Bravo

April 25th, 2012
7:52 pm

The Dome will not be demolished until the new stadium is built. The Falcons will continue to play at the Dome until then…

bill

April 25th, 2012
7:52 pm

If a penny of tax money goes towards this while Georgia families are struggling through the recession we need to truly consider what “Republican” really means.

KINGDAWG

April 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

Wow Jeff, your previous few articles have been very good and dead spot on….stay off the booze, you write better when you are sober. Just joking…good read.

El Bravo

April 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

Arthur Blank is kicking in the balance (700 million give or take). The negotiations will be over the split of revenues. How much the Falcons get to keep from gates, concessions and parking, and how much goes to the city of Atlanta and the GWCC.

Bat Masterson

April 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

20 years old?

Heck, I have girlfriends older than that.

Larry

April 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

This is one of those moments that crack me up about liberals. They always talk about the corporate conservatives hunger for money while not thinking enough about wealth sharing.

Well, let me let you in on a little secret. 8 of the top 10 and 17 of the top 20 Billionaires in the US are liberal democrats. And those who keep voting for these liberal candidates that are the puppets of these folks are too stupid to realize you are nothing but the prostitutes of the pimps–keeping getting a little free, unearned money to keep them in power so they can manipulate city, state and federal contracts to their pimps–the liberal billionaires that are the true grime of greed.

Why is this relevant? One Arthur Bland is a liberal, and guess who he and the GWCC want to help fund this little deal so pad their pockets even more?

I’ll give you 3 seconds!

Gerald

April 25th, 2012
7:59 pm

Say hello to local blackouts of Falcon games. PSL’s will KILL attendance.

Joe

April 25th, 2012
8:00 pm

I don’t understand why the Georgia Dome would be torn down. If the cost is going to be 8-9 million dollars to tear it down, why not offer it to Georgia State University for that price + real estate costs?

Bat Masterson

April 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

You’re a wierdo, Larry

Spare me

April 25th, 2012
8:03 pm

What a total waste of money! I love football and I love the Falcons but if they can’t make payroll in this town on their own, move the business elsewhere. The city of Atlanta can ill afford to subsidize Arthur Blank. NO TAXPAYER SUBSIDY!!!!

Ewww

April 25th, 2012
8:06 pm

Joe.. Nobody cares about Georgia State… They couldn’t afford the regular maintenance.

david

April 25th, 2012
8:10 pm

Let’s build a new stadium in the same bad section of town people already do not want to go to. No parking, no tailgating, and no really feels safe there. Build the stadium far away from down town Atlanta.

John

April 25th, 2012
8:10 pm

Hey Jeff they mention two possible sites for the new stadium north and south of the G Dome. Do you happen to know what site that is in the south? In the north I believe its the GWC parking area we’ve all likely seen.

RGB

April 25th, 2012
8:11 pm

Maybe we should demand that all houses 20 years old should be torn down so we can put up new ones. And we can, once again, soak taxpayers because, after all, they (you) have unlimited wealth.

TechFan49

April 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

In twenty years we will be talking about tearing down the retractable roof stadium because it is obsolete and can’t match the revenue being generated by new stadiums in New Orleans, Miami or St. Louis. If Mr. Blank can build a stadium on his own, more power to him, but let’s not tear down a perfectly good Georgia Dome that fits the needs of the entire local sporting community – except the Falcons – just fine.

Gumbo

April 25th, 2012
8:14 pm

Agree 100%, Jeff – not right to spend other people’s money, huh? Glad you’ve finally seen the light!

Voice of Reason

April 25th, 2012
8:14 pm

To demolish a perfectly good structure that can produce income, such as being a part of the GWCC to utilize for the convention trade and other events, is ridiculous. There is enough room in the gulch for another stadium. The next thing if this goes through will be the GWCC asking for some form of funds to enlarge their facilities because they are missing out on some conventions. I have owned over ten businesses, and I funded every one of them just as I should have.

gunga din

April 25th, 2012
8:15 pm

total waste of tax dollars. if falcons want a new stadium, let them pay for it 100%. if you think state limit will stay below $300m then you are an idiot. they will expect millions more in infrastructure. let them leave if they don’t want to pay for it !!!

bear

April 25th, 2012
8:15 pm

I couldn’t agree more! NFL Teams are private and there should not be a penny of public money that goes towards a new stadium. Most taxpayers in the Atlanta region could care less about the Falcons, which includes myself.

Larry

April 25th, 2012
8:17 pm

Ms Bat,

Fret not lazy one…your government incentive check not to work and to watch TV and drink your schlitz is due on Tuesday, the 1st of May.

Have you had your bath this week?

Larry..

April 25th, 2012
8:19 pm

Thanks for bringing right vs. left politics into a column about a proposal for a new stadium.
You & your ilk are relentless!
By the way, if you are going to spew your nonsense, which it is (or should I say very possibly a lie?), give us a link here or supporting proof of your assertions. And I don’t mean a link to a knee-jerk right wing nut job propaganda sheet. Otherwise, leave your talking points out of this discussion & save them for a political blog.

Pay UP

April 25th, 2012
8:19 pm

blank’s a billionaire and knows how to use leverage to get deals—the city and state of ga will end up paying for most of this tah majal stadium, while blank pockets 100% of the revenues. Bend over!!

Purple Drank

April 25th, 2012
8:19 pm

Enter your comments here

Gator graduate

April 25th, 2012
8:22 pm

I am sure the GA government will find taxpayer dollars by giving more furlough days to teachers. I love football, but the hypocrisy of the Republicans (cut spending!) and the Democrats (raise taxes!) makes me sick.

Bat Masterson

April 25th, 2012
8:25 pm

Poor, Larry, neither funny nor clever.

Don’t give up though Larry, if you keep trying surely one day you’ll write a sentence worth reading.

Brakeyourself

April 25th, 2012
8:26 pm

for a real stadium folks.

Los Angeles Falcons of Anaheim

April 25th, 2012
8:26 pm

Arthur Blank is a crook, and this scheme of his to rob US, John & Suzie Taxpayer, to pay for his new stadium merely reaffirms that.

Blank, you can take your stadium “proposal,” wrap it up in your orange Home Depot apron, soak it in dishwater, gently turn it sideways and shove it straight your thieving [backside] !!!

Los Angeles needs an NFL team.

Take yours there, Blank.

awesome

April 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

wonderful piece Jeff I agree 100%!

Larry

April 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

Poor litte Bat,

You have such delusions of adequacy you have to use a fake name. You know, Batsy, somewhere out there is a tree, tirelessly producing oxygen so you can breathe. I think you owe it an apology.

Los Angeles Falcons of Anaheim

April 25th, 2012
8:31 pm

Jeff,

Could we get some AJC Coverage as to why Mr. Blank’s wife left him, as this paper has proven it isn’t shy about delving into the private, marital woes of public figures both in and out of the sports world (Bobby Petrino, Tiger Woods, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, etc.) ?

Oh, that’s right!
Blank is on the Cox (owner of this paper) Board of Directors.

Los Angeles Falcons of Anaheim

April 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

I’m glad that worthless Blank didn’t the chance to buy (& subsequently ruin) our beloved Braves.

That clown is the main reason why I now take my business to Lowe’s, and so should the rest of us Atlanta-area taxpayers to make the value of Blank’s Home Depot stock (the bulk of his current wealth) to decline.

Old Dawg

April 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

I’ve written this before and I’m sure I’ll write it many more times: We’re laying off public school teachers, police officers, state troopers, EMS and first responders and firemen. The state’s highways look like something from a third-world country. It is fiscal insanity to build another football stadium on the public dole.

Interesting fact, the bonds for the old Meadowlands haven’t been paid for, yet the Giants and Jets have a new stadium. Like many people I love the Falcons and professional sports, but it’s never made sense to me that public financing is used to build professional stadiums.

There are too many other needs in Georgia for the state to be hi-jacked by an NFL franchise. If Blank moves the team to LA, so be it. We’ll still have the SEC, ACC and other college teams to follow.

Good job, Jeff.

Dawgdad (The Original)

April 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

Right on Jeff, Arthur’s ego is something that only he should stroke.

Maybe he could borrow back some of the money he is going to pay his ex-wife.

jerry

April 25th, 2012
8:42 pm

What is wrong with upping the ticket price and letting the fans who want a competitive franchise pay for it?

GREED

April 25th, 2012
8:46 pm

This isn’t about anything more than GREED.

Hillbilly D

April 25th, 2012
8:47 pm

There’s something wrong when even one taxpayer dollar – let alone $300 million – is used toward somebody’s football stadium.

Preach on, Brother. But let’s remember that the Dome is there because Rankin Smith had his buddy Tom Murphy doing his bidding. I’m sure Arthur has a buddy somewhere, too. Too bad the taxpayers don’t have any buddies.

Los Angeles Falcons of Anaheim

April 25th, 2012
8:48 pm

Blank cannot even pronounce the name of our city properly.

This isn’t “ATLANTER ,” Blank.

Phil Lunney

April 25th, 2012
8:50 pm

I agree with Jeff, the Dome is just fine. Now they can spend $100 million to improve it and update it, but it is a good place to watch a football game.
The legacy for this generation will be Malls and Stadiums, while the roads and bridges crumble because we want to keep taxes low.

Joe Tess Fish House

April 25th, 2012
8:52 pm

Deer Mr Blanks go a head and move this team sense U cant seem to win N E palyoff games.

Colin

April 25th, 2012
8:53 pm

So the little guy is going to be bailing out a billionaire who wants a new playhouse for one of his toys? It seems like I have heard this story before with the bailout of the Wall Street bankers. At least there we were supposedly preventing a collapse in the financial system – what are we preventing here? I really don’t care if they move the team to another city, I just don’t want to have to pay to put another buck in Blank’s pocket. This is a bad deal for the taxpayers. How about taking that $300 million and fix the sorry roads in this city.

George Stein

April 25th, 2012
8:57 pm

I have no objection to Blank lobbying for someone else to help pay for his stadium, but he should be told to go fly a kite.

Sonny Clusters

April 25th, 2012
8:58 pm

We was noticing that the economy is in bad shape and we think Mr. Blank ought to realize that and not ask us to pay for a new stadium or tear down a perfectly good Dome. Another thing, what happened to that picture of Arthur Blank and his horse? It has disappeared and we think we may know why.

atler8

April 25th, 2012
8:59 pm

Knock it off Larry & take your crap to a political blog run by children!

Velian Hill

April 25th, 2012
8:59 pm

A few brave Legislators in the Georgia House said the exact same thing as Mr. Schultz.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20112012/HR/1871

Mark

April 25th, 2012
9:01 pm

Let’s get some facts straight. Bringing in more revenue does not allow the team to get better players. The NFL has a hard salary cap, so unlike MLB, franchises cannot create dream teams with out sized payrolls. Crazy people will say that the best players only want to play in the newest stadiums and crap like that, but the truth is players only want one thing: TO WIN. They don’t care about stadiums. Create a winning team Mr. Blank and the best players will want to come to Atlanta.

So why does Blank want a new stadium? “It’s the reason the Falcons’ overall value pales in comparison to that of other NFL franchises.”

Of course, the city partially paying for a new stadium, and thus increasing the value of the Falcons, only helps ONE person (ok, several people, I think there are a couple of minority owners as well). But if people want to increase revenues for the organization, let them buy tickets, hats, and sodas while at the games. If they want to funnel more money into the hands of one man, that’s fine, but don’t make me do it as well.

Good article Jeff.

megamicro

April 25th, 2012
9:04 pm

If you build another stadium, for god’s sake build it on the noth side in Cobb or Cherokee. Someone said earlier, no one wants to go downtown and get robbed or harrassed.. North or nothing!

Ron Roberts

April 25th, 2012
9:05 pm

I have to believe the NFL is going to chuck in some dough for this (as they’ve mentioned in doing for Minnesota, too), through some sort of league ’stadium fund” for loaning to teams.

If the deal with the Falcons and the GWCC is so bad, then just renegotiate the thing and put a retractable roof on the dome you have now, I say. You want more suites? Fine; remove some seats & build some suites! Lord knows the Falcons never draw a legitimate full house, anymore, anyhow.

Honestly, since they put in the red and black seats, the dome’s never looked BETTER! I’ll put the Georgia Dome up against any other NFL stadium as far as aesthetics go. It’s also adjacent to many of downtown’s attractions and MARTA, too. My ONLY beef with the Dome is the lack of tailgating area surrounding it, but that isn’t the building’s fault. A new stadium won’t draw any other events that the current venue doesn’t already, either; so where’s the incentive for the city and state to want to build a new venue?

Spending $300 million in hotel/motel tax just to build a new physical symbol for the football team is, to me, a grievous waste of dollars better suited and more sorely needed elsewhere in the city.

I wish the federal government would step in and ban taxpayer funding for stadiums and arenas not voted on by those taxpayers. Pure and simple.

tonyb

April 25th, 2012
9:05 pm

“He’s probably going to pull this off without once alienating the public by threatening to move his team to Los Angeles, Toronto or London, or just selling it to Winnipeg.”

Even writing an article about the Falcons proposed stadium, you find a way to tweak the ASG. Thanks for the laugh, good stuff Jeff.

As for the dome, I enjoy it. Yes, its sad that the building becomes obsolete, at least from an economic stand point, in such a short period of time.But as cities like Dallas, Washington, and soon to be LA build these high revenue producing stadiums, teams like the Falcons will fall behind and have limited resources in acquiring high dollar players. Hopefully, Blank doesn’t try to push PSL’s on us, because I feel he will find that to be the toughest sale of them all.

Hillbilly D

April 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

But as cities like Dallas, Washington, and soon to be LA build these high revenue producing stadiums, teams like the Falcons will fall behind and have limited resources in acquiring high dollar players.

That’s Arthur’s problem, not the taxpayers’.

GaEgghead

April 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

Please, just rebuild Fulton-County Stadium – I’ll be happy. Talk about keeping up with the Jones’s – jeesh.

chuck

April 25th, 2012
9:08 pm

screw atlanta! build it in flowery branch and let auther pay for it

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:09 pm

Thanks all for the comments. Like I wrote on Twitter, I wasn’t sure which way the wind was going to blow on this when I took this position. I think this is pretty much a fait accompli (that there is that French) but I was in a venting kind of mood. Now, I’ll get back to some of your questions.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

Sluggo — Yep, PSL/season-ticket premiums/blackmail is pretty much standard operating procedure these days with new stadiums.

Larry

April 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

Good comment Ron!

atler8,

You NEVER hear me get political on a sporst forum. But when the conversation switches to personal wealth at taxpayer expense, especially with so many other needs economically in this state and city, then by its very nature it becomes a political discussion.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

JSS — I never trust the word “capped.”

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:11 pm

Kane337 — Actually at the time the Dome was considered a great deal for the Smiths. It later became a crummy deal.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Andy — Turkey sausage. No pork. Better?

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

LDawg — Blank would be kicking in about $300 million also. Check Tucker’s story, I think it has more exact numbers.

Larry

April 25th, 2012
9:13 pm

And by the way, evey year I pay nearly $10,000.00 for Falcon season tickets. But this is my choice, not my tax obligation!

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:13 pm

I should add that NFL also kicking in $300 million.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

KingDawg — Booze=moron. I’ll try to remember that.

Steve

April 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

Put simply .. we should NEVER have built a domed stadium anyway. That’s not real football. It’s prissy football. It would be one thing if Atlanta had historically bad weather, but it doesn’t.

The Dome ws all about bringing in Corporate dollars. Since the new stadium will be the same, then let the Corporations, team, and owners fund it. If even one cent of tax-payer money goes towards this then eveyr Atlanta politician should be beaten.

I love the Falcons, but I would rather they move to a new city than the tax-payers(or at least the 50% or so of us that actually pay taxes) fund a new stadium. Let that money go to our under-staffed police, fire, and educational systems .. or towards infrastucture improvements (outer loop), or anything but a new stinking stadium.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

El Bravo — No, Blank’s not kicking in $700 mill. NFL is kicking in a chunk. They do that for new stadiums.

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

I can’t believe the Falcons are seriously considering staying in the vicinity of the GWCC. Come on, Mr. Blank, build a stadium with your money north of Fulton county, away from the crime and money-grubbing politicians.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

Los Angeles Falcons of Anaheim — I think “crook” is kinda harsh. Just a businessman in a business world — one which I don’t care to live in.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

Awesome — thanks.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:17 pm

LA Falcons (cont). Also, marriage/divorce none of my business unless it becomes a story that affects a team or an athlete. In all of those aforementioned cases, it had impact on their respective careers.

Money $

April 25th, 2012
9:19 pm

Arthur will eventually get his way—atlanta taxpayers will pay for most of the stadium. He’ll hire some “economist” to do an “economic impact study” showing all the revenue the stadium will produce—after some arm twisting, dealmaking and generous awarding of “contracts” to connected political operatives, the stadium will be approved. Arthur will make sure to include a provision where he keeps all the revenues and pays some chump change rent to the city. That’s the way it works around the league.

GaEgghead

April 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Agreed Delbert

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Mark — “Let’s get some facts straight. Bringing in more revenue does not allow the team to get better players. The NFL has a hard salary cap…”

<<< Correct. I suppose owners can make the case that having deeper pockets allows them to structure contracts differently, maybe guarantee more money. But yes, in the end, they’re all dealing with the same cap.

Smarty

April 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

GA Dome is fine. PLUS he wants more revenue put more TV’s in EVERY corridor of the stadium. The GA Dome has a great view from any seat. Plenty of Bathrooms and enough concession stands. Okay they could use a little more but other than that it’s fine. NO REASON for a new stadium. PLUS if he get’s his way us season ticket holders (I’m a 11 year vet) will get ROYALLY screwed for the PSL’s which if even thinks of that I will let them go. I will be really FALCON’D Ps’d Off!! GA Dome is fine let it go.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

Schultz is an idiot — I guess by “everyone,” you’re excluding almost everybody who has commented on this blog?

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

Jeff, that was clever, pointing out that Falcons are not the post office. The mascot of the U.S. Postal Service should be the Dodo bird.

Gordon

April 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

You are absolutely correct, Jeff.

gretschdrum

April 25th, 2012
9:23 pm

Jeff, there is a quote in one article from the mayor’s office to the tune of “I fully support the building of a new stadium”. I also recall Reed saying that he would not be the one in office who ‘let the Falcons leave town’ (if a new stadium wasn’t built). Please call this clown to the mat in regard to him turning his back on the Thrashers during their relocation. There IS a story in there somewhere. The public still doesn’t know all of the dirty, back room dealings of that debacle.

midway

April 25th, 2012
9:26 pm

Amen. No taxpayer dollars for an edifice that will not repay the taxpayers. Studies over the last number of years have debunked the idea that major sports stadiums generate taxes and economic benefits for the general community. Have a business build and pay for its own building? You said it. What a great idea.

LowCountry XPlant

April 25th, 2012
9:29 pm

I totally agree with you Jeff. If Mr. Blank wants a new stadium, then let him pay for it.

GaEgghead

April 25th, 2012
9:31 pm

I went to downtown/underground Atl recently and there were many strange people with many strange ideas about all kinds of different/strange stuff. I felt rather uncomfortable. I don’t like going downtown, but I would go to more Falcons games if didn’t have to go downtown.

dbalcer

April 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

Well said. The hings that could be achieved with that money are mindboggling I hope wise minds prevail.

New Bobby Dodd

April 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

Deed the Dome to Georgia Tech and rename it Bobby Dodd Stadium. Build a new stadium for the Falcons.

dbalcer

April 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

Things not hings

GStateBen

April 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

Whay about Georgia State???.

Merrill Guice

April 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

Knock down the Georgia Dome and let the Football Championship games return to South Georgia where they belong.

phil

April 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

I’m just astounded.

The place is only 20 yrs old.

Spare me the revenue bull….. :roll:

kreedham

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

I heard years ago from a reliable source that a retractable roof was considered for the Georgia Dome but at the time it was considered too expensive (I heard $50 million)…now to retrofit, which obviously, isn’t being considered it would be 3-4 times that.

Fenway Park just turned 100. Nobody’s asking for a new stadium there…Before you know it Liberty Media (or whomever) will be wanting to demolish Turner Field and build a new stadium where the old one was!

Enough already! GWCC should rework the deal to help Arthur Blank but a new stadium NO!

superDawg

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

GSU!

April 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

Rename the Ga Dome the Panther Den and give it to georgia state which can’t afford a new stadium. Build a huge new stadium downtown next to the Ga Dome with plenty of outside parking for tailgating. The city/county.. can pay 30% and blank 70% and split the revenues the same %’s. Very simple.

phil

April 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

I’ve been to 3 falcons games in 20 yrs in the dome.

Why?

Where it is….

dawglt

April 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

Jeff,
“Long time reader, first time responder. Right On!! Our priorities, as a whole, have strayed off course. And we honestly question the attitudes of our youth ????????

Mark

April 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

@tonyb

“But as cities like Dallas, Washington, and soon to be LA build these high revenue producing stadiums, teams like the Falcons will fall behind and have limited resources in acquiring high dollar players.”

Bull. The NFL has a hard cap. Bringing in more money doesn’t allow them to pay the players more. It might give them prettier lockers and showers, but forgive me if I don’t give a crap about the locker room for a bunch of millionaires.

“Hopefully, Blank doesn’t try to push PSL’s on us, because I feel he will find that to be the toughest sale of them all.”

PSL’s? You mean like the people that go to see the Falcons paying more for better facilities? Where’s the harm in that. I’d much prefer that than for taxpayers that may not go to a single game in a lifetime paying for the select few to have a better stadium. Again, if you want a better stadium, have fun paying for it, just don’t ask me to.

phil

April 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

Close down georgia state…

No more irrelevant and pathetic school in the entire SE US…

GStateBen

April 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

Ga State will dominate. Hopefully we can buy the Dome and have Georgia play us here. COLLEGE TOWN, DOWNTOWN!

Freehawk

April 25th, 2012
9:39 pm

As an Atlantan, I have zero interest in paying for a new stadium to replace the dome. This is the kind of decision that gets somebody fired.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 25th, 2012
9:39 pm

Co-sign this article 100%. SMH at the comments that predictably break down into political BS.

atler8

April 25th, 2012
9:40 pm

Larry,
You needlessly threw in unsubstantiated garbage about how many billionaires are liberals & that Blank was one as well. That’s not a fact. And it seems to me that I recall that both he and the former Home Depot guy named Nardelli they hired then tossed out for incompetence, both hosted Republican fundraisers.
So, leave that angle out of this discussion please as it was an unsubstantiated talking point on your part as I said.

SaintDK10

April 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

THIS IS AWESOME! GA STATE GETS A NEW STADIUM TO PLAY IN!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

If all they want is more luxury suites and other revenue-generating nonsense, I don’t see why this can’t be accomplished by renovating the existing stadium. They are insane for wanting any sort of open air at all. All you have to do is see early April and late September Braves attendance to know that nobody in this city is going to freeze their asses off in November and December to watch the Falcons.

The only good reason to even want a retractable roof is for soccer games, and while I don’t know or care much about soccer, I don’t get why it can’t be played in a dome if football can be played in a dome.

frank

April 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

The Falcons are still gonna suck even if they get a new stadium they have never won a superbowl at the Georgia Dome so what make you think they are gonna win one at the new stadium they aren’t worth watching.

waynester

April 25th, 2012
9:43 pm

It’s hilarious that all of a sudden, ya’ll are turning into Libertarians…if you would actually vote that way, we might not be in the financial mess we currently face….
ps
the dome looks a quilting bee reject….

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

Georgia State certainly can’t afford the rent for the Dome as the primary tenant ig the GWCC keeps the Dome. The Dome is far more accessible than Bobby Dodd Stadium, but even getting the stadium as a “gift” as suggested (why?), Georgia Tech would take a huge hit just with the operating and maintenance costs and the taxes on the property.

atler8

April 25th, 2012
9:46 pm

Larry,
By the way, we are in agreement totally about all the real problems & needs that this state has facing it that need money & attention before the likes of a new Falcon’s stadium with any amount of public funding is considered.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 25th, 2012
9:48 pm

At least they are not seriously entertaining the idea of moving to the northern suburbs anymore, which is the single dumbest idea of all time. Everyone who says this needs to get in their car and drive to Coolray Field and see how long it takes. Getting from Alpharetta to Lawrenceville takes a half an hour. Getting from Marietta to Alpharetta takes a half an hour. Getting from any of those places to downtown takes a half an hour to 45 minutes. Other than the people in the immediate vicinity of any northern suburbs stadium, nobody is going to save time, and most people will be more inconvenienced.

atlanta to Seattle2016

April 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

crumbling infrustructure,water issues,traffic smothering the city with no one havin a clue how to deal with it,homeless folks ,downtown not appealin to most folks like other citieslike seattle,chicago,san francisco,high crime,racaily divided,blighted intown and outside of city,quality of life issues glarin in a once beautiful city,public transit needed in this city worse then any other,no super bowl or playoff win,not enough policemen,.AND THEY WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON A FOOTBALL STADIUM???FIX THE ABOVE ISSUES AND MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE A GREAT REASON…MEANWHILE THE ABOVE ISSUES NEED ATTENTION AND MONEY,

Mark

April 25th, 2012
9:52 pm

Jeff – I suppose owners can make the case that having deeper pockets allows them to structure contracts differently, maybe guarantee more money. But yes, in the end, they’re all dealing with the same cap.

Good point. They will also say that more revenue, and thus profits, lets them have better practice facilities, higher paid coaches, better medical equipment, etc. And there is some truth to that. But in the end I think it’s about the arms race in the NFL, everyone wanting to make their franchise more valuable at the expense of taxpayers.

JoDee

April 25th, 2012
9:53 pm

hmm. Imagine what might happen if nearly a blillion dollars were spent on public school facilities. It will be a great day when Americans value education more than thug athletics, and they put their money where their mouths are.

NC_Dawg

April 25th, 2012
9:54 pm

I absolutely agree Jeff. Taxes are high enough and should go to “public goods”. The Falcons are not a public good or else tickets would be free like visiting Piedmont park. If Mr. Blank wants to take the team somewhere else, fine.

Another team would love the Dome, this market, and the rabid football culture we have here in Atlanta. Maybe this team would actually win a playoff game.

Iron Head

April 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

Absolutely ridiculous! There’s nothing wrong with the Dome. How much money does the man need? Win something and then come back to the table. That Dome has never lost a game.

Paul in East Lake

April 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

Absolutely ridiculous that anyone but ticket buyers or the team itself kicks in money for the stadium. It’s a private business so they should pay. It really is JUST THAT simple. And I consider myself a football fan.

Marv

April 25th, 2012
9:56 pm

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
9:56 pm

Rebuilding in that area, even if it didn’t cost the taxpayers a dime is a terrible idea. The fringes of downtown Atlanta are marginally more appealing than downtown Mogadishu.

something fishy

April 25th, 2012
9:58 pm

What’s going to happen to the debt on the original dome when it’s demolished. The State of Ga issued $200 million in bonds to build the dome and as of June 30,2011 $121 million is still owed on these bonds. If you read the agreement to build the Dome Authur Blank can’t do anything with the falcons until the original debt is paid off. Thats why the Smith’s weren’t able to move the Falcons when they threatened to move several years ago.

Tom

April 25th, 2012
9:59 pm

do I see a jerry jones stunt being pulled off here??!!! a big money monstrosity in dallas and sounds like its on the way to being here. Arthur Blank may be a beloved owner but he is also a business man and the Falcons are his business-let him invest in his business if he wants profits to increase. Don’t stick the fans with the bill. The dome is only 20 years old and they want to demolish it-give me a break! It hasn’t even paid for itself yet.

Marv

April 25th, 2012
10:03 pm

If a new stadium is going to be built please put in a place that Has plenty of open air parking and places to tailgate. Anyone who has ever been to Lambeau Field can see what a significant advantage this can be.

Kevin

April 25th, 2012
10:03 pm

Man, my brick ranch house is 32 years old. We’ve owned it for 5 years and “ONLY” about $150k on it. But my wife sure does love new houses with those big walk-in closets. It sure would be nice to have a brand new brick house, maybe with an apartment over the 3-car garage, and 5 bedrooms even though we only have one child. It’d cost us at least double what we OWE on our current house. Now how can we scam the public into helping us pay for this NEED?

Iron Head

April 25th, 2012
10:04 pm

Absolutely ridiculous! There’s nothing wrong with the Dome. How much money does the man need to make? Win something and come back to the table. That Dome has never lost a game.

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
10:04 pm

Blank needs to partner up with one of Russia’s billionaires; you know, one of the many who got rich by selling the former Soviet Union’s military assets. What a great move that would be toward world peace. Hoorah.

GaEgghead

April 25th, 2012
10:05 pm

Najeh, going to a Northern suburb would be well worth the extra 15 minutes compared to going downtown.

Matt the Brave

April 25th, 2012
10:05 pm

I’m with some of the people who say rebuild Fulton County Stadium, but I say this: make it like they intended to, with a retractable top. Improve the suites to go around the entire stadium, and create some passthrus for real light to get in. Oh, and make it where the stadium will be SO LOUD.

atlanta to Seattle2016

April 25th, 2012
10:10 pm

Atlanta starting to look and feel more and more like Detroit…and they want a football stadium??to replace a perfectly good stadium…REALLY??too many unsolved issues here to shell out that kind of money for a team that has yet to win a superbowl

intown resident

April 25th, 2012
10:11 pm

We call single mothers “welfare queens” for hundreds of millions less.

What shall we call St. Blank?

It is time to take the gloves off and stop deifying the scoundrel. There are people being thrown out of their homes and St. Blank wants a new billion dollar playground to replace a 20 year old playground?

This is torches and mobs territory.

Tucker

April 25th, 2012
10:12 pm

The Georgia Dome, Turner Field, and Phillips Arena should all be torn down, and replaced by one multiple use facility with a sliding roof, sliding stands and a long slippery slide just to send off habitually disappointing teams and their petty owners.

JASon

April 25th, 2012
10:14 pm

I have a question. Why is everyone wetting themselves about the environment, and we are all encouraged to “do our part” and recycle everything, and maintain a sustainable lifestyle…yet somehow its okay for them to tear down a massive dome with nothing wrong with it?

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
10:18 pm

While we are discussing the wonders of downtown, we mustn’t forget the Richard B. Russell Federal Building. I went there on a dark, rainy morning in February, and the parking entrance to that place gave me flashbacks to scenes in “Blade Runner.”

scott zortman

April 25th, 2012
10:19 pm

What a bunch of hogwash, for all you agreeing with Jeff Schultz on this, obviously the greater majority of you probaly arent season ticket holders, for those of us who go consistently every year, are saying the same thing year after year on those beautiful fall days here, why is there a roof above us. Honestly why the hell the state of Ga ever built this god forsaken thing to begin with with that pukely looking pink finish, and that god awful green combination when it first opened, at least they had the stylishness to make it with red and black finish. As a season ticket holder for 25 years, thank you Arthur Blank and please tear this dome down and make a f—ing stadium that has a retractable roof in it for those beautiful days in october and november, a dome in the south, even Houston got smart with the astrodaome, sheesh!!!!!!!!!

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
10:21 pm

The November elections are fast approaching. Tearing down the Dome will create jobs. Can’t wait for the political ads for it.

I love the Falcons, but

April 25th, 2012
10:21 pm

AB is as good an owner as there is in sports. He’s done what’s necessary to turn around a franchise that was moribund, at best, for 4 decades. Saying that, I’d bet my last dollar that the state of Georgia will end up with at least 500 million in this venture. AB will spend similar dollars, sure, but he should. It’s his team and it will be his profit.
So, I see where the Pres paid less tax than his secretary, too. (the trend is to include a political comment, so there)

Mark in mind-town

April 25th, 2012
10:24 pm

I support the new stadium. A new stadium would allow Atlanta to host a Super Bowl again. It would also allow the Falcons to remain competitive. Yes, the Dome is still a fine facility, but it’s not state-of-the-art anymore relative to what other teams have. That probably matters more than many of us care to realize. If a new stadium would allow the Falcons to remain competitive for many years to come, and if it would bring in a Super Bowl again, it could end up paying for itself over the longer haul. I doubt in 20 – 25 years there will be another wave of new stadiums for NFL teams, so I suspect a new stadium would end up having a far longer life span than the current one in terms of being able to remain competitive with what most other teams have. I think Blank’s motivation is not to line his pockets; rather I think it’s to be able to provide Atlanta with a competitive team for decades to come.

Kent Hatterick

April 25th, 2012
10:25 pm

Jeff, I have made a comment on an Atlanta journal article one time in 56 years. I have wanted to respond to what ive heard many times, but too apathetic to actually take action to express my thoughts. So for what it worth, your thinking on the justification for building a new stadium was so on track, I couldnt help myself to not reinforce and support your honest wise thought.
As I think you have conveyed, we may need or want a new stadium for all kinds of reasons we can try to justify, but just because he who has the most money or is the squeakiest wheel deserves the most attention or is the right answer to monopolize what is for the good of all. And in this case, the falcons are important and blank making money is important for numerous reasons, but can we get more as a community to invest 300 mill in care for the needs in the community versus are we really going to improve the standard of living we can get in investing 300mill in blanks needs to make himself money!!
For the record, I am a conservative republican and blessed to have been blessed financially, but I can’t justify the value of spending 300 mill in a new falcons stadium when the one we have is more than adaquit for anyone to enjoy experiencing a falcons game. Especially when I think about what 300 mill could do to help people’s basic needs.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
10:26 pm

Thanks DawgIt

yuzeyurbrane

April 25th, 2012
10:26 pm

Amen! How much of the sausage is bribery in one form or the other? I have followed this issue for some time and can count on 2 hands at most the number of comments favoring this handout to Blank. And yet the matter is talked about as a done deal with only some massaging of the details. What public are our esteemed Governor Deal and his loyal State Legislature referring to when they espouse their small govt., pro-free enterprise gospel when gutting public education and other traditional govt. functions which would really help Georgia and its middle class in the 21st Century? It is all empty rhetoric designed to get power and fill their pockets and that of their buds. If Arthur Blank thinks its a good idea for his poor pocket, let him pay for it and take the risk as well as get the reward; otherwise, I can’t print what I think of his personal moral standards except that I would not be as kind as the writer of this article.

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
10:27 pm

Gretschdrum — Is this the same Kasim Reed who didn’t care about the hockey team leaving?

Tide Rising

April 25th, 2012
10:27 pm

Jeff,

Couldn’t agree with you more on every single point. Very, very well written piece.

Matt "CHOKE" Ryan

April 25th, 2012
10:28 pm

Bat Masterson

April 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

You’re a wierdo, Larry

________________________________________________

Stop blaming weirdos…..Larry is an idiot :)

Jeff Schultz

April 25th, 2012
10:33 pm

Kent Hatterick — Great comments, thanks.
… By the way, it seems some folks see this as a political issue (as in Republican vs. Democrat vs Libertarian.) I don’t. You either believe in public money being used to help finance a stadium or you don’t. I think there’s conservatives and liberals on both sides of this issue.

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
10:38 pm

Okay, the system is broken, all of it. Ga. 400 toll road gets paid off, and the tolls don’t stop. Taxpayers about to get fleeced to keep the Atlanta/Fulton County and GWCC moguls flush with power and cash. And read the article on the freaking front page of this web site about the TSA and a 4-year old girl at the airport in Kansas:

“…the family’s main concern was the lack of understanding from TSA agents that they were dealing with a 4-year-old child, not a terror suspect.”

The POTUS laments that college graduates are under-employed and in very many cases are not able to find jobs to pay off their college debt. How about this bright idea, Mr. President…require all TSA agents to be graduates of a 4-year college. Get some people with an IQ above room temperature in that agency.

up north

April 25th, 2012
10:40 pm

I seem to remember the Atlanta Stadium cost around $6-8 million, when it was built to house the Falcons and bring the Braves here!

waynester

April 25th, 2012
10:41 pm

Ya’ll act like this is a zero-sum game–if the legislature doesn’t vote to support a new stadium that they’ll instead spend that money on your pet liberal causes…hilarious. Pretending that we don’t already spend vast amounts on narrow interest groups(just the ones that YOU favor) and pillorying Blank for trying to make the Falcons competitive and keep the team and it’s employees in ATL is just as moronic. Put your votes where your big mouths are and stop supporting the 2 party monopoly that’s put us in this sorry position to begin with….

Hillbilly D

April 25th, 2012
10:43 pm

Atlanta Stadium was $18 million, if my memory is correct.

You either believe in public money being used to help finance a stadium or you don’t.

I agree. I think this pisses off people on both sides of the political spectrum.

MarkP

April 25th, 2012
10:46 pm

Atlanta residents would get a far better return on investment from a new hospital in terms of jobs, utilities, quality of life, etc. than a sports arena.

Keith

April 25th, 2012
10:48 pm

1st the GD is new compared to many old falling apart stadiums. WHen is this gonna stop as Jeff said in not other business do the companies ask for the public to build their place of operation. the GD was built 20 yrs ago I currently live in the Great NW where a couple yrs ago they fought hard to tear down the cavernous King dome a building that was thrown up so quick it almost beat the amount of time it took to take it down, but it was needed it was not fan friendly it was dark it….. had no atomsphere. on the other hand the GD was build and everybody marveled at it’s sight lines the ablility to watch the game even when you went to the concessions. I agree with Jeff if Mr Blank wants a new money maker I would set a couple of ground rules!
the public can be responsible for no more than a 1/4 of the bill
NO, I repeat NO PSL this is the biggest bunch of BS, ok 1st we pay taxes to build the thing then you want us to pay another 100-1200 bucks just for the priviledge to purchase a seat!
finally every yr every family within the local confines of ATL limits get one ticket to one game, seems fair to me if I a “owner” in this building then I should be able to go to at least one game a yr free of charge
I don’t want to knock Mr Blank but with the current state of our economy it seem if he want a building where he will be making the majority of the money, then he needs to provide the majority of the finanicing, Heck sned all the Home Depot employees over to help!

Tastes Like...

April 25th, 2012
10:48 pm

To Falcons and Blank. Want a new stadium? PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!!!!

waynester

April 25th, 2012
10:49 pm

Jeff
ok–I’m shutting up and just enjoying the non-political luvfest–shalom…..

Moonshine Dawg

April 25th, 2012
10:59 pm

Sanford Stadium and Grant Field are older than the Dome and Atlanta Stadium combined and you don’t hear Dawg and Yeck fans complaining. In Athens, we’ll just add another deck, sell them for $42/game plus a donation and keep on enjoying our team.

Let Blank build his own dome and pay impact fees; OTW go on to LA, London or whereever. College Football is king in the South.

LA Move

April 25th, 2012
10:59 pm

give arthur a new stadium, fully paid, or he may move the team to a billion $ stadium in LA!

Jay

April 25th, 2012
11:12 pm

Question
1) What is the amount of money that Mr. Blank is losing at the Georgia Dome?
2) If it is nomial amount (5 to 25M a year) why don’t they just give it to him each year , lets say for the contract to have the Falcons in the city. It probably will be cheaper in the long run. :) Let the tax pay for it.

Redandblackpeachy

April 25th, 2012
11:19 pm

The Dome won’t be torn down until after the new stadium is built. Jeff led everyone to believe the opposite. The new stadium won’t be far from the current Dome location. I believe PSL’s will be introduced to Atlanta.

Falcon James

April 25th, 2012
11:27 pm

I personally think that the Falcon never wanted an out door stadium and they put it out as a publicity stunt. By putting that out first, they got the fan all riled up so they can come back and sound like they be doing us a favor. I agree with the writer on this one. They is no reason to tear down a perfectly good building so that a billionaire can make mo money. I don’t think one dime of public money should go to this. I think this money should go back to people of Atlanta with better healthcare subsidies and program like that.

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
11:32 pm

A pox on both their houses!

Falcon James

April 25th, 2012
11:37 pm

I also have one question…. What exactly does “a new stadium would help the falcon remain competitive” mean? Does this mean the falcon will win more games?

Chuck

April 25th, 2012
11:38 pm

“The Georgia Dome doesn’t have enough suites, enough signage, enough martini bars.”

Martini bars???? I grew up in Miami and saw games during the greatest season in football history in a stadium that was already 40 years old THEN and had benches for seats, no parking, no transit stations, food courts, ‘concourses’ and for gawdsakes, NO MARTINI BARS! And I wouldn’t trade a single memory from that decrepit old stadium for the chance to watch another Falcons meltdown in a sparkly new football palace.

The NFL has become one huge shakedown artist. Who needs it?

Falcon James

April 25th, 2012
11:49 pm

Hey Chuck…..For 15 years, I never missed a game at the Orange Bowl. We even were able to hang out on the grass at the front door. I tend to remember about 4 places to buy beer and hot dogs. Those were the best games of my life!!

Hard Working Taxpayer

April 26th, 2012
12:04 am

Build it downtown and you are limiting your target audience – taxpayers with disposable income (i.e., those who live in the suburbs, plus the lucky few who live in town who have money left over after paying Atlanta’s exorbitant taxes). We do not want to put up with the baloney that is downtown Atlanta. Criminals and dangerous youth-in-training who have no regard for others’ life or limb. Loitering. Panhandling. Petty crime. Serious crime. Drunkards. Bums. Wondering if your car is going to be broken into while you’re at the game. Paying to park – $20.00. Having to drive past crime-infested neighborhoods on the way into and out of the hellhole. Life is too short to have to put up with this crap. Arthur, use your own money to build your castle. If you put it close to folks with disposable income, they will come.

Will in Roswell

April 26th, 2012
1:00 am

Yes, Blank is a nice guy, but that only goes so far. Apparently he thinks he can change stadiums as easily as he changes wives.

BW

April 26th, 2012
1:24 am

This is all great speculation/conversation. One, you’re already financing the stadium through the hotel/motel tax that has been in place. That would be “capped” at $300 million. That ship has left the station as people seem to be ok paying existing taxes rather than new ones. Second, the NFL is kicking in $300 million. Finally Arthur would likely kick in the rest….the stadium financing is in place. The only issue is the revenue split between the Falcons and the GWCC. Quit whining about this….our priorities are messed up but Arthur Blank should not be the target due to being a businessman out to make money.

Fats O

April 26th, 2012
1:49 am

Nothing wrong with what we have. Is Blank aware the nation is a semi depression?

rtr22

April 26th, 2012
1:53 am

This is the best column you have ever written

JSS

April 26th, 2012
2:05 am

What “disposable income” are you talking about? Ha ha, you clowns in the mythical wealthy suburbs are leading the nation (I repeat, the nation) in foreclosures and bank closings!!! Stop lying to yourself! Everyone from the Braves to the Atlanta Business Council laughs when they hear someone talking about building a huge stadium or another arena outside of the Downtown Atlanta! No airport, nowhere near enough hotel rooms, and for darn sure, nowhere near any chance of making the transportation situation work!

SAM

April 26th, 2012
2:08 am

I read this acticle and I sit here in awe. The State of Ga and Fulton Co cannot find the money to pay teachers, police, corrections officers,probation officers and other people employed by their agencies, but they can find $300 millions dollars, so that, millionaires can play a sport and a billionaire can have his building. If I want to change my house or add on to it, I have to pay for it myself. I cant call the county and asked them for help, eventhrough, it would help them to charge me more taxes. Can I please get the tax payers to tear down my house and build me a new palace. Well, I say build the Falcons their new house;maybe they will win a Super Bowl, while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table. Eat well millionaires and billionaires. Oh, by the way help your cause and do not be on tweeter texting stupid comments (Roddy White). White catch a couple more balls for $300 million. Hey Turner and O-Line get the fourth and inches, instead of fights at your house and reality shows.

Gritsfalcon

April 26th, 2012
2:27 am

I can’t imagine this requiring action by either the Governor or Ga. Legislature. If they have to approve this, with school teacher layoffs, the roads deteriorating and all the other stuff that has been slashed due to budget cuts, it will never happe!. Can you say, “Los Angeles Falcons” if it does?

Amazing Lizardo

April 26th, 2012
2:39 am

This kind of absurd and wasteful thinking really makes me sick to my stomach. The very idea of destroying a perfectly useful building that has been paid for by a heavy public investment of tax dollars and such makes me angry at best. For Arthur Blank to truly pay for the cost of his precious new building, he must absolutely shoulder the costs of keeping this existing building viable whilst paying for the new as well. He will thus protect the public investment by a community he now owes a great deal to for providing a way for him to expand his profits using the subsidized gift from the public that is the Georgia Dome. Enjoying the profits that an NFL owner does is a privilege that is built on the contributions of countless taxpayers nationwide. After all, we provide the roads and public transportation and many other things that allow him to attract paying customers with ease.

Yes, I realize it is expensive to operate, but this is a blatant attempt to avoid the civic obligation to maintain a building that is and can be useful for many civic purposes-except perhaps ever larger profits for one solitary pro football team. And let’s not forget the cost of this new facility will certainly include pricing the Falcons experience out of reach for many more sports fans, just as Braves games are no longer affordable to a large number of ordinary citizens. The least he can do to make it up to the greater public is this. It would also be nice to offer just a few tickets at affordable prices so those who used to be able to afford the experience can continue to do so.

Just think. A lot of high school football players could enjoy the experience of playing in a world class facility without necessarily having to make the state playoffs. Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Morehouse and many others could also enjoy the benefit-thus providing some relief from such a burdensome expense for the Falcons ownership. The goodwill generated by giving back to the community in this way might well expand Mr. Blank’s popularity well beyond that of beloved local sports owner. He could indeed become a national hero by setting a great example for his fellow owners.

This could also greatly improve the public perception that the well to do simply have no regard for the social contract that has allowed an unprecedented number of millionaires to enjoy the American dream on a level that only a few can truly experience, but a level to which so many aspire. We cannot all win the lottery after all. The benefits for the greater community could extend well beyond sports of course. But don’t get me started brainstorming on these possibilities, there are surely a lot of great ideas besides the ones I might offer-and I would love to hear them!

JSS

April 26th, 2012
2:48 am

Ha ha, it doesn’t require approval from the State. They gave this plan approval two years ago in the General Assembly! What do you people do, spend your entire days with your heads in the sand?

C'mon Jeff

April 26th, 2012
2:55 am

Come on Jeff, you get “angry” when you have to pay a stadium or arena tax? You get reimbursed every nickel of that expense…and every other nickel you spend covering a sporting event (the Mons Venus in Tampa being the exception).

I agree with your position on this subject. The fine folks of Indianapolis are still paying for the “Hoosier Dome” and that stadium was hauled off by the dump truck load years ago. You trying to be “angry” over some tax you don’t pay smells like a Cynthia Tucker column.

Jim

April 26th, 2012
2:56 am

Well said, but power and $$ will rule…Blank will get what he wants. Done deal.

clay

April 26th, 2012
3:29 am

Why not just make a retractable roof and the dome?

A-Ville Ranger

April 26th, 2012
4:52 am

Great article, I couldn’t agree more with every point. It would be absurd to put public money into a private sports stadium in the best of times. At a time when our schools are under performing, our infrastructure is crumbling and the nation has the largest debt in human history, it’s obscene.

Blank has the personal wealth to build this thing, pay in cash and still be extremely wealthy if it’s that important to him.

John

April 26th, 2012
5:04 am

Los Angeles Falcons…..has a nice ring to it.

Wallis the dog

April 26th, 2012
5:06 am

Amen Schultz!

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
5:11 am

I WILL NEVER STEP FOOT IN a NEW STADIUM BUILT FOR NFL FOOTBALL IN atlanta.

rudy

April 26th, 2012
5:14 am

lets win a super bowl before deciding to bulid this stadium, that will help build that stadium…….

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
5:19 am

Ga State needs the Dome. Chick-fil-A Kickoff Classic, Chick-fil-A Bowl & the SEC CG needs the DOME. If the SEC wants to move to Jerry World then HAVE the MF at it. Atlanta Taxpayer don’t need a NEW stadium. F..k BLANK and the COONS. Let those A..holes pay for it. The State of GA SUX in education even with the HOPE and the voted SPLOST. Let the over paid Negros and Billionaire White men playing sports buy their PLAYGROUND. I will Go to TECH games and watch SOME NFL on the TV. F…K the NFL owners, players and the Union. Go get a real MFing job.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
5:22 am

Let TYLER PERRY and Arty BLANK buy the African American playground with their own money.

Save the Dome

April 26th, 2012
5:49 am

I am a season ticket holder and I love the Falcons. However, when the Dome goes, I am gone too.

Go to Los Angeles, Falcons!

April 26th, 2012
6:09 am

Arthur Blank expects all Georgia taxpayers to drop their panties for him on this stadium deal as if they are all some of his female HD employees and he is “in the mood.”

Not going to happen, Blank.

Arthur Blank, meet John Wayne Bobbit.

Atlanta Stadium

April 26th, 2012
6:13 am

Sure, love the club and a Falcon fan since 66, however it ended for me as a season ticket holder in 2011, will watch and follow the team from the sofa, the BIG dome is just fine to watch a game in, but the open air is coming to the A T L

Ellabell 1

April 26th, 2012
6:28 am

Nothing wrong with the dome. If they are determined to build a new stadium – fine. My only request is that they make the seats 3 inches wider. Thank you and may God bless.

EasyMoney

April 26th, 2012
6:34 am

The minority “set aside” deals will be flowing like water when this stadium gets approved. A lot of connected friends of Arthur and the city will be getting very rich from all this easy taxpayer money to build the palace!!

Ronald

April 26th, 2012
6:36 am

So you want to enjoy a product (Falcons football) but don’t want to actually PAY for it?

You guys are OK ith the prospect of losing not only your team but all the other events that help grow and bring much needed revenue and tourism dollars to the city?

All In With Mr. Blank

April 26th, 2012
6:48 am

Jeff, as usual you’re making great points. But missing the critical one. It’s no longer the 1960s and we’re no longer dealing with the Smith family. Like it or not, the game (and the economics) have changed. You don’t win championships by being conservative as a team or conservative financially. We’ve got the right owner who has figured out how to put a championship management and coaching team around him. Help him get his stadium. You want to to backwards and do the safe thing? Not me. There is no treading water. You’re either moving forward or losing ground. I remember a great comment made a few years ago by Arthur Blank, “There is no finish line.”

Shep

April 26th, 2012
6:49 am

I agree not one red cent of my money to this stupid and needless football stadium. If the falcons don’t like it, they can just leave atlanta and we will never miss them. you can stay at home and watch the game on your big screen tv. this is typical, just typical, of the messed up priorities of this country, state and city in these times.

Scott Brantley

April 26th, 2012
6:49 am

And what happens when, after another 2 decades, the stadium isn’t up to par with other revenue-generating facilities?

Still Defiant and Unrepentant Male

April 26th, 2012
6:54 am

No tax dollars for a new football stadium, ever!! I will personally investigate every person involved in getting a new tax funded stadium and offer all my evidence to a Federal prosecutor in hopes the crooks all do hard time. I hope the rest of you will also investigate and that some of you will turn State’s evidence against the crooks.

Jimmy Crack

April 26th, 2012
7:01 am

Taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes, and don’t forget a crazy spike in ticket prices. That means once again our stadium will be half-filled with opposing fans because unbeknownst to the upper 10% of society, the rest of us won’t spend that kind of money.

Ronald

April 26th, 2012
7:08 am

Bunch of whiners in here! Waaaaaaaaaaaa

Ronald

April 26th, 2012
7:10 am

The GA Dome is a DUMP. Nothing attractive about it whatsoever. Time to pull your skirts up and chip in!

jay

April 26th, 2012
7:15 am

Completely disagree with this. This is the kind of backwards thinking that keeps cities in the South from doing anything or getting anywhere. Let’s not fund anything. Nothing for MARTA, nothing for roadways, nothing for schools, nothing for the Falcons. What a joke. Up North, we value good schools, public transit and good sports teams. Here, you let the roads rot, you let MARTA rot, you let sports teams leave. What an atrocity. No taxes for anything!! Let’s not improve anything! Let’s keep every penny in our wallets and let the entire region rot away. Wish I could move back north but I’m stuck here, with a transit system, schools, roads, sports teams rotting away day by day by day.

Ronald

April 26th, 2012
7:17 am

^Give that man a gold star and give the rest of you people a pacifier!

herbert

April 26th, 2012
7:17 am

Get Real : Your point is sound. Why should we pay for his view and more money for his pocket. If he wants this fund it yourself. I have no problem with the tax on hotels and motels to pay for this. but dont go into my pocket to help his pocket.

Snake Doc

April 26th, 2012
7:35 am

Larry – How’s socialism working out for you? Getting scared because people are sick and tired of paying for your miserable existence and you might actually have to get a job, support your self? Afraid your not gonna be able so suckle off the government teet in the future? Maybe nows the time you took some responsibility for the noggin full of mush you seem to be cursed with.

Your a left wing socialist whack job

Trojan

April 26th, 2012
7:54 am

Not one tax payer dollar should be spent to help millionaires make more money. Let them invest their own money.

Call It Like It Is

April 26th, 2012
7:57 am

Pure silly. Nothing wrong with the dome. Arthur just wants more money. Let him pay for it. And those that support him, well just whip our that check book and send him some money or you can just wait till he has a 50% increase in the price of a ticket. Just leave the rest of us out of it.

SalGRichardC

April 26th, 2012
8:02 am

Jeff,

Thank you for those words, esp. the last line. One would expect more common sense from Mr. Blank. Hopefully, his people are paying attention to us fans’ disbelief.

Annie G

April 26th, 2012
8:04 am

How about instead of giving his money away to charities around the world, he gives it to Atlanta, his home, and the city that allowed him and Marcus to thrive. Atlanta is a mess so I think it technically qualifies as a charity. HIs fortune could easily build the new steadium, debt free, the city will thirve, the Falcons will thrive, and everyone will live happily ever after. Oh wait, that makes too much sense to work.

Greg M

April 26th, 2012
8:08 am

Let’s be like Green Bay and have the fans be owners of the new Dome and Falcons.

dtanner

April 26th, 2012
8:10 am

arthur blank is worth 1.5 billion YES BILLION!,let him build his own damn stadium with HIS own damn money not mine!

Larry

April 26th, 2012
8:10 am

My word! I’ve never been accused of being both a right and a left wing extremist on the same blog!

Snake Doc,

I’m not sure to whom which “Larry” you refer. But just for the record, I am more a proud “centrist” with proud conservative values and economic beliefs who falls just “right” of center…not extreme right.

I believe our current president just could be the worst and most incompetent in presidential history, I believe the one that preceded him was too dumb to be a president, the one before him an embarrassment to our nation, and the one before him a nice guy but truly only a VP kind of talent and ability.

This leaves Ronald Reagan, the greatest president by a mile of my generation and we truly missed having him around after his presidency but his Alzheimer’s prevented this. And oh by the way, I make mistakes too…I voted for Carter! :-0

Jeff, I promise, no more polotics for me here but I had to clear up some bizarre acusations.

“There is no worse lie than a truth misunderstood by those who hear it. ”

TA

April 26th, 2012
8:11 am

If he wants more money made at the dome, renovate it and build more suites.

Dawgwild

April 26th, 2012
8:12 am

No more free pizza for you at the Dome!

Andrew B Smith

April 26th, 2012
8:16 am

Lets take a step back for a second. The good news here is that all parties have been in working discussions to pursue options that are beneficial to all involved.

If the Falcons build their own stadium, that will be a loss for GWCC because it will pull business away from the dome (Falcons, bowl games, concerts, etc.). The new stadium would be a competitor to the dome. It also makes it harder to make a new stadium affordable. A jointly owned stadium allows increased revenue for Falcons while maintaining the revenue stream for GWCC. If a new stadium is built, this is the best option! The challenge is to structure the deal to creat a win-win situation.

Wutehvah

April 26th, 2012
8:19 am

Move to the North side and outta downtown

Payton34

April 26th, 2012
8:23 am

If money collected from taxes is used to partially fun the building of the stadium, the question is how are revenues from events distributed. For example – any Superbowl or Chik-fil-A games. The city/state should be able to determine what would be needed to offset the initial costs – which would be an investment. The stadium should not belong to Arthur Blank/Falcons unless they pay the entire costs of building the stadium. It is important to keep in mind that infrastructure costs will also be incurred beyond the building of the stadium.

Larry

April 26th, 2012
8:26 am

jay and Ronald,

The two of you are utter, unabashed pinheads.

I’ve lived in both, and traveled to both hundreds of times as a Delta multi-million miler…you are dead wrong!

Our roads are infinitely better that Philly, DC, Boston or New York. I’ll give you Marta…but that’s it.

So you can have your abusive taxation (the irony of Boston rebelling against England and then becoming the most taxed city in America), the 100,000 toll booths, and city and state government that tell you what to do and how to do it. You can have your sidewalks filled with trash and soot. You can have your smog, your accepted vulgarity and promiscuity. You can have it all.

I’ll keep some of the most beautiful terrain, topography and weather on the east coast and my freedom to make decision for myself, not by politicians. We like nice things too (haven’t you noticed?) but prefer they be earned or paid for by those whom will benefit most versus passing the burden on even those whom can’t afford or possibly too handicapped to attend a sporting event.

And one question for you two tax loving, I can’t manage my money so I need the government to manage it for me, goobers: have you ever heard of someone retiring and moving up north?

Season tickets

April 26th, 2012
8:28 am

All this talk of a new stadium so Arthur Blank can make more money is ridiculous. If he can’t make money on the exhorbitant amount I pay for club level tickets, the $9 beers, and overpriced food (all terrible by the way), then the problem is 100% on him. Why would I fund a new stadium that will result in even higher prices back to me? Stupid.

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yawn

April 26th, 2012
8:29 am

The Falcons have not, and never will, receive one dollar of my money.

DaWG

April 26th, 2012
8:32 am

AMEN! If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. This venue is good enough to sell out every year for the SECCG and many, many other events. I love the DOME!

stupup74

April 26th, 2012
8:36 am

Mr. Blank can have his stadium if he promises to buy the braves and build them a new downtown stadium and gets them a new TV contract.

(one can dream)

Unbelievable

April 26th, 2012
8:36 am

On one had the state is willing to back the building of a new stadium that will cost upwards of $1 billion by kicking in about 30% upfront and another 20% for hidden infrastruture improvements that is not being discussed. On the otherhand the same state is willing to deny its citizens health care coverage under the federal government. The priorities in this state are royally #$%^ed up

Silver Creek Dawg

April 26th, 2012
8:36 am

I’m fine with your premise that if the Falcons want a new stadium, let them pay for it.

But think about this scenario. The Falcons build a $1 billion stadium in the northern suburbs with a retractable roof and the necessary amenities around it. The Dome stays as it is downtown. When the SEC title game contract ends, the Falcons, seeking additional revenue streams, bid on it separate from the Dome and win it. The Falcons also bid on a Final Four and get it too. Supercross and multiple concerts also flock to the new facility.

In this case, the city now loses out on hundreds of millions in revenue they could have had and they now have a huge facility nobody wants to rent. Is that a risk the GWCC Authority is willing to take? I wouldn’t bet on it.

daveeo

April 26th, 2012
8:38 am

I just returned from a trip to Indianapolis – home of the Colts and Lucas Oil Stadium, of course – where I rented a car at the airport. Total taxes on the rental? 40.45%!! That’s what Atlanta, and its visitors, will get with a new stadium.

Go to each of the cities with a newer stadium and check out the hotel and car rental tax rates… and Lucas doesn’t even have a retractable roof. The bad press from PAYING visitors will pair poorly with comments about downtown panhandlers.

MARTA Rida

April 26th, 2012
8:42 am

The era of suburban stadiums are over. The infrastructure exist downtown, restaurants, bars, and hotels are all downtown. There is no way that building a new stadium outside of downtown will work. The Dome is great, a perfect 70 degrees all year-long, MARTA station, and adjacent to the CNN Center. I agree, left Blank build the new stadium. The Dome is perfectly suited for the SEC Football Championship, Chick-fil-a Bowl, Final Fours, SEC Basketball Tourney, and GSU games.

Child Please

April 26th, 2012
8:44 am

Here is what needs to happen: Arthur Blank wants an open air stadium so the Falcons need to go play at Turner Field for the next few years until it’s time for that stadium to be torn down. Give the lifespan of stadiums these days the Braves will be demanding a new one in about 7 yrs.

Turner Field is located in the worst part of downtown Atl., as it is outside the major hub. MARTA will never build a transit station over there and you will never have hotels and restaurants to sprout up around Turner Field. Plus TF sits unused anytime the Braves are not playing.

When TF has outlived it’s usefulness then the Braves and Falcons should play in a retractable roof stadium in the current site they are planning near the current Georgia Dome. Both teams will have a new stadium, the one venue will be on the MARTA transit line, and you have hotels, restaurants, and other entertainment venues (Aquarium, World of Coke, Centennial Park, etc.) in close proximity.

And taxpayers won’t get screwed again when the Braves come whining about needing a new stadium in 7 years (or less).

daveeo

April 26th, 2012
8:45 am

Oops! Sorry, Lucas does have a retractable roof – poor research. I guess the 40.45% tax rate will have to do.

ugat99

April 26th, 2012
8:46 am

Please build an open air stadium!!! Why does a sun-belt city need a freakin domed stadium?? It’s ridiculous!! I remember 20 some odd years ago when they said they were going to build a domed stadium here, I said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, pleade don”t!!! Geeeeeez, I had season tickets for years at UGA, and I can count the times on one hand that I had to worry about rain!! We are blessed with great weather here in the South usually during the Fall months. I absolutely hate domed stadiums!! These games were meant to be played outdoors!!

Larry

April 26th, 2012
8:50 am

Child Please,

Unlike Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, Like most dedicated baseball configurations, Turner Field is built in a v shape thus unsuitable and likely non modifiable for football.

And a big NO for baseball in a dome, retractable roof or not. Arizona where it can reach 120 degrees in the summer, maybe. Atlanta…definitely not.

Rothschild

April 26th, 2012
8:51 am

You are 100 percent right, Schultz. Thanks for writing this.

Aquagirl

April 26th, 2012
8:53 am

The Falcons build a $1 billion stadium in the northern suburbs with a retractable roof and the necessary amenities around it.

Two words: Coolray Field.

If the Falcons can find a county as dumb as Gwinnett, they should go for it and fleece those suckers.

BW

April 26th, 2012
8:55 am

Daveeo

There is no way that entire 40% is due to the stadium in Indy…I’m calling bull on that.

Rodster

April 26th, 2012
8:56 am

I agree with ‘Get Real’. Put a pay back deadline on it and make it something uniquely special, not just another domed stadium.

megamicro

April 26th, 2012
8:59 am

sorry, whitey ain’t riding with his family on MARTA.

nmonroe

April 26th, 2012
9:00 am

Jeff, perfect. If Arthur Blank wants a stadium, let him pay for it. No one benefits from this but Arthur Blank. The value of his asset – the Falcons – goes up, and the city is left holding the bag with a depreciating stadium.

The $300 million in taxes themselve damage tourism and more than offset any benefit to the public.

Here’s what went on with the Dallas stadium; it’s a scary prospect that Atlanta does not need:

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium’s current construction cost was $1.15 billion,[15] making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city’s sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[15][16] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.[17]

Season tickets

April 26th, 2012
9:00 am

If Blank can’t make money off the ridiculous amount I pay for season tickets and overpriced concessions then he shouldn’t be trusted with taxpayer money. Why not focus on building an exciting team that can win in the playoffs first and launch the stadium plans after everyone’s woozy from the success? I couldn’t give my tickets away the last couple of years so Blank better give some hard thought to the addition of PSLs. Bottom line: Falcons are a boring product playing in a boring dome that serves bad overpriced food. A really rough sell.

BW

April 26th, 2012
9:01 am

megamicro

Thanks for just putting it out there…I’m tired of PC…we all now that certain people will simply live in fear their entire lives

Whitey

April 26th, 2012
9:02 am

DON’T RIDE MARTA BECAUSE BLACK THUGS WILL STEAL YOUR IPHONES!

Money Sense

April 26th, 2012
9:04 am

“I’m just as angry any time I travel to another city and have to pay a tax for a stadium or arena there for the same reason.”

But Jeff, you don’t pay that tax. Like all media, you get comped tickets, parking and meals during games and get reimbursed for all travel expenses. It’s regular fans who have to pay these outrageous prices for tickets, parking, beer, food, … which is why the media rarely if ever writes critical articles about these costs—they never pay them!!! Nice.

nmonroe

April 26th, 2012
9:08 am

To the guy who equates championships with a new stadium, just how is that working out in Dallas?

By the way, MetLife Stadium in NY was build with private funds – no public money involved. (Yes, it’s owned by 2 teams, not one.)

J. Layman

April 26th, 2012
9:11 am

You make valid points… but if the city isn’t careful it will lose the Falcons… almost happened last year. Of course it doesn’t really matter in the long run… just look at the 90’s…. 4 world series… 2 superbowls… and the Olympics.

FalconFreak

April 26th, 2012
9:13 am

Ok Mr. Shultz, time to give up the sports gig…..and run for office. Finally, someone who makes sense and who has some idea of fiscal responsibility. Maybe you should enter the mayoral race next time around. You’ve got my vote!

gretschdrum

April 26th, 2012
9:16 am

Jeff, HOW DID YOU KNOW? IT IS the same Kasim Reed who said “Atlanta would survive without the NHL”. This idiot is either in the pocket of the ASG, NHL or feels like his constituency doesn’t ‘relate’ to the sport…ya get it? Ya get it? :) Probably all three, right? Regardless, his two faced approached to the NFL should be prime fodder for an astute opponent come election time.

Chuck Clausen

April 26th, 2012
9:16 am

As a Falcon fan, I’d like to know how the stadiums of the other 31 NFL teams have been paid for. Would forcing ownership to pay for something which the Falcon’s competition does not pay for put the Falcons at a competitive disadvantage.

gdawginkalamazoo

April 26th, 2012
9:17 am

How about building a winning team? It is not the buildings fault that you fill it with a crappy team. I have seen the Falcons lose on grass, on artificial turf, in a dome, and in an open air stadium. I pretty sure they have lost in a stadium with a retractable roof too.

You would hope that Blank would be more concerned about putting a winner on the field instead of a winning field under the team.

Mr Smiley

April 26th, 2012
9:17 am

Everyone’s an idiot. The taxpayers are making an investment…not just handing out $300M. It’s an investment people WITH RETURNS!

Frankly spending tax money on a new stadium is much better than the millions of tax money that gets wasted for personal political gains. At least the public will reap the benefits.

Bill Austin

April 26th, 2012
9:19 am

Jeff,

I just had this very conversation with a colleague. I agree with you totally, right down to the punctuation marks!

Fernand Point

April 26th, 2012
9:20 am

Larry- Here is the actual list of the top twenty billionaires. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/2010-forbes-richest-americans-meet-the-top-20/2011/06/16/AGfUJSaH_gallery.html?hpid=z1#photo=1 I would definitely say that there are more than three Republicans on this list. Nice try

Liz

April 26th, 2012
9:28 am

First of all, the Falcons DO NOT suck. So for all of you who are saying that, maybe you should move to a town where there is a football team you feel does not suck. I don’t care, just be quiet.

Second of all, Georgia State is a perfectly good school who has been educating people for decades. I graduated from there and experienced some of the best times of my life on that campus. I was there on the field when we played our first football game. It was a beautiful moment we all worked REALLY hard for.

What does politics have to do with this? Either Blank, the NFL and the hotel tax from Georgia pay for this, or no one does. I am a diehard Falcons fan, but there are a few things I don’t want to change with the new stadium, most importantly the price of the tickets.

megamicro

April 26th, 2012
9:33 am

north or nothing! lots of empty land on 515 past ball ground.

Troy Goodwin

April 26th, 2012
9:33 am

There’s NOTHING wrong with The Georgia Dome; What it needs is a retractable roof over it, and if you wanted a new stadium? Just do what The City of Vancouver did with BC Place; Replace the roof. Solution solved.

PureEvil

April 26th, 2012
9:34 am

Like the city of Atlanta doesn’t already blow money on stupid things!! Who cares at least this is going to be something we can enjoy unlike some of the thug hangout / parks they’ve built over the years!!!!

PureEvil

April 26th, 2012
9:38 am

There’s NOTHING wrong with The Georgia Dome

You haven’t been to other NFL stadiums have you??

tax payer

April 26th, 2012
9:39 am

If the city and ultimately the people are going to benefit from a new stadium with final fours, super bowls, and other events, then we the people shouldn’t have a problem putting in a 1/3 of the cost.

Frankie

April 26th, 2012
9:47 am

1. WHere will they play if they tear down the dome?
2. We all know that the new stadium would mean increase in ticket sales.

3. the 3rd tier would cost as much as the existing 2nd tier does now.
4. Move it to Gwinnett and then he can get the PARKING revenue he needs and that will decrease the ticket cost and sales tax request…..wishful thinking

5. is there enough activities to keep the dome and build a stadium elsewhere?

Whynotgolf

April 26th, 2012
9:49 am

Bottom line…you cannot blame Blank for wanting a better revenue producing stadium…if he’s coming out of pocket $700 mil…if the remaining money can be generated with the traveler tax. I say go for it….1 Superbowl will recoup that money.

Key Largo

April 26th, 2012
9:54 am

when was the Superdome built? early to mid 70’s? Saints seem ok with it. The state kicks in a little$$$, everyone is happy.

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Mister.Earl

April 26th, 2012
9:58 am

Three Questions

Will the new retractible dome be as butt ugly as the current building?

Would Atlanta dare to build something worthy of design excellence?

Can Asante Samuel cover Marques Colston?

guillotine

April 26th, 2012
10:01 am

move the Falcons! Who outside the perimeter cares about them anyways.

roterhals

April 26th, 2012
10:02 am

retractable roof stadiums are for wimps

furmanuga

April 26th, 2012
10:03 am

I respect Blank very much and appreciate what he’s done for the Falcons franchise. But I also believe this is just plain wrong. Let that money go where it could be used more to help actual people. Like schools or disabled vets. I probably will forget I said this but this makes my fandom for the Falcons less so. Plus, win a Super Bowl or something and then bring this idea to the table. Constantly getting blown out in one playoff game isn’t enough to endear this idea to us.

Apostle

April 26th, 2012
10:06 am

If the Falcons want a new home let them pay for it.As taxpayers we have more important issues to deal with.

PureEvil

April 26th, 2012
10:17 am

Who outside the perimeter cares about them anyways

Only majority of the people with enough money to attend games!!

PureEvil

April 26th, 2012
10:20 am

As taxpayers we have more important issues to deal with.

Yeah….. like building another park for thugs to take over!!

Bobo is Not the Problem

April 26th, 2012
10:21 am

Yuck. I hated the dome and I hate the retractable-roof idea, mostly because the dang thing will be closed whenever there are “elements”. And, retractable roofs are not nearly as outdoorsy as a traditional open-air stadium.

Elements make football great. I want to see football in the sun, rain, wind, and snow. Not in a dressed-up living room.

real fan

April 26th, 2012
10:22 am

The georgia dome was a joke when it was built. If it wasnt for Blank we would still be sitting in ugly ass miami colored chairs with that horrible miami blue and orange squares on the outside. We got one lousy super bowl out of it . And when the rest of the league saw it they knew they would never come back.You have to remember who owned the team when that thing was built. The Smiths. Who wouldnt and couldnt if they tried sell out a dome.Or put a winning team on the field.This franchise has turned a corner . Lets bring them into this next century as well as this city.

Therut

April 26th, 2012
10:34 am

Larry, you are not a weirdo, but Bat Masterson is an idiot and you are wasting you time trying to educate someone that lives off the government and thinks that they are entitled.

MARTA Rida

April 26th, 2012
10:35 am

@Whitey
Its people like who give Atlanta and MARTA a bad rep. There is nothing wrong with either. If it wasn’t for Atlanta, GA would be Mississippi.

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:37 am

Totally agree. Why tear down a perfectly good stadium?

Instead of building a new building, the Falcons should spend their time trying to win a Super Bowl. Maybe they could also come up with some new ways to generate revenue that wouldn’t detract from their pursuit of a Super Bowl ring(s).

Jimmy Crack

April 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Keeping these stadiums in downtown Atlanta, where folks don’t commute on trains and buses like rats in bigger cities, is just bad business. Put this new stadium just north of the perimeter and it would be filled to the brim with Falcon fans and not opposing teams’ fans.

Most fans don’t want to go downtown (see traffic, crime, panhandling, $40 parking fees, etc) to see a ball game.

GaStBen

April 26th, 2012
10:40 am

So Ben can you afford triple the rent with a new stadium?

FACT: The Superbowl won’t come back to Atlanta until a new stadium is built. It’s outdated.

It makes no sense to keep the Dome and a new stadium. The retractable roof is a great idea because then it can be used for motorcross, Final Four, etc plus it puts more money in Blank’s pockets with suites and premium seating options.

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:41 am

Pureevil, Get out. Go to a park more often.
Real fan, I see your point. But the G Dome is in great shape. It doesn’t NEED to be torn down. If the Falcons had a building that could seat 100,000 fans, would it fill up? Probably not. There is only so much you can do with a new building. In today’s world, that almost billion dollar price tag is forever. Let’s pass on a new building for now.

Yo Moma

April 26th, 2012
10:42 am

The Ga. Dome is the most profitable football venue in the NFL. We’re talking about food service and alcohol. Blank wants a bigger cut of that action as his present deal with the GWCC was a Rankin plan with the state. Blame Blank? No. Cut a blank check to fund Blank? No fricking way will we pay!

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:42 am

Jimmy Crack, If coming downtown keeps you from coming to a Falcons game, you’re not a football fan.

atldirtybirdfan

April 26th, 2012
10:42 am

“I’m just as angry any time I travel to another city and have to pay a tax for a stadium or arena there for the same reason”

really jeff? who the hell even thinks about that when they travel to another city. c’mon man, that’s a MAJOR reach!

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:46 am

Yo Mama, I would say it differently, but I totally agree with you. This about a previous deal that limits the money Blank can make. It’s not about the quality of the Dome itself.

Blank doesn’t need a new building. He needs the best contract lawyer in the US to get him out of the old (Smith) deal.

DawgDad

April 26th, 2012
10:47 am

Coming to Atlanta from St. Louis I’ve seen first-hand how terribly the owners and NFL can jerk around and shake down fans and taxpayers. Tearing down the Georgia Dome doesn’t make economic sense in the PUBLIC arena, but stadium venues are public-private (or quasi-public) enterprises. At the end of the day if you want an NFL team in Atlanta you (the taxpayer) will help pay for what they want, when they want it. If you’re a fan-in-the-stands quite comfortable with the current stadium and pricing you will be re-educated.

Mr Smiley

April 26th, 2012
10:47 am

Oh yeah Apostle, like your tax payer money is really being spent wisely…

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April 26th, 2012
10:49 am

Would much rather pay money for a new stadium than pay money to help out the crack head who lives outside the stadium

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:49 am

ATLdirtybirdfan, Lol! I thought that too. Jeff was reaching. But his argument is still solid.

Blank wants to get rid of the Dome to get out of the old contract.

In today’s world, is it even possible to pay off an almost billion dollar deal?

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:52 am

…. What has crackhead got to do with any of this? Your statement was kind of crackpot. That’s the only thing I can think of.

Aquagirl

April 26th, 2012
10:55 am

“Put this new stadium just north of the perimeter and it would be filled to the brim with Falcon fans and not opposing teams’ fans.”

So you want to build a stadium for locals only? Somebody flunked economics.

All these pipe dreams about a Northern suburb stadium are just that….pipe dreams. There isn’t the infrastructure (hotels, restaurants, transportation) to support out of town visitors. And you can’t build all that infrastructure just for stadium events, those hotels and restaurants can’t exist on game day receipts only.

If you want a Northside stadium, y’all are welcome to build one with local tax money. Let us know how that works out for ya.

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April 26th, 2012
10:57 am

You pay money to help dead beats who don’t work and live off the government and spend their money on the drugs they use but yet you don’t want to spend money on a stadium. Fair enough, as a sports fan I’d rather give my money to a stadium i’ll go to than the street walker who can’t wait till the first of the month to get his/her fix

Agree

April 26th, 2012
10:58 am

Think about this for a second. If the Falcons pulled off this billion dollar deal, would it ever be paid off?

Blank isn’t going to be around forever. Does this mean that 10, 15 or 20 years from now, the next owner will want to build a “new” stadium so they can get out from under the arrangements of the “old” one?

Agree

April 26th, 2012
11:00 am

Aquagirl, Agree!

Agree

April 26th, 2012
11:03 am

…. The City of Atlanta is not the one who wants to build a new stadium. Where do you live? Because unless you live in hotels within the City of Atlanta, the cost of this new stadium is not going to directly impact you.

Larry

April 26th, 2012
11:07 am

Fernand Point,

I said “liberals” not republicans!

Do your research on their “donations.”

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April 26th, 2012
11:07 am

Fayetteville but I spend most of my time in Atlanta with my job so essentially my sales tax and the amount of money I spend in the City of Atlanta would go towards this. I was an econ major in college. I understand how it works. I also understand that my tax money goes to many things that I should not be paying for and do not approve of. Now when something that I do get behind comes up, people disapprove. Everyone has their opinions and I respect yours. I just feel that I want my tax money going to a stadium and not some of the other crap it goes to in the city

Timbo

April 26th, 2012
11:08 am

I never hear about universities asking for tax dollars to build or expand their stadiums. The athletics department and boosters fund it. Why professional sports think they need our money to do this is beyond me – other than they can. At the very least, loan them the money with a pay back of less than 20 years.

heartofdarkness

April 26th, 2012
11:09 am

Well done, Mr. Schultz. This issue is a small telltale indicating the self destructive currents blowing through western culture today. Regressive economic policies (and publicly funded stadia are a striking example of that) have made Georgia what it is today. Unless the public treasury, policed by honest guardians, gets about a 31% equity stake in the franchise, it would appear the public’s representatives have betrayed their client. Research shows these deals funnel most increased spending in the local economy after debt reduction, into a small number of pockets. The only way this kind of public financing without repayment of principal and risk appropriate interest guaranteed by private entities gets done is through an imbalance of free market forces that shovels risk in one direction and reward in another. Proponents of this kind of venture should demonstrate openly where the risks of operation, obsolescence and events beyond man’s control are placed, and how quickly and generously the public contributions are repaid.
Otherwise, you have to ask yourself, who would cast their delegated vote for such a swindle?

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April 26th, 2012
11:12 am

Timbo, the students pay for it by a financial increase in their Tuition. Special things called Fees. You charge a $1,000 “athletic” fee to a university with 13,000 students and your looking at $13 million in one year. Add in some boosters. Essentially the same as a tax to the population

Agree

April 26th, 2012
11:18 am

Sports stadiums have come in all sizes. But in the past, even the big ones were pretty modest affairs. You went to a stadium to watch a game.

Not today. Now stadiums are mini amusement parks. Part museum, part theme park. In some of these places, it seems like the game is an after thought.

A billion dollars for a stadium? I see where this is headed. Real NFL football will soon be replaced by online versions of John Madden football.

It would be a lot cheaper.

Dr. Warren

April 26th, 2012
11:20 am

Tear down Atlantic Station and put the stadium there. That would make more sense, fiscally as well as convenience-wise.

Richard

April 26th, 2012
11:25 am

I don’t blame Blank. He’s watching other owners force taxpayers to foot the bill and he’s thinking he can do the same thing. It’s smart. It makes perfect sense for Blank to give it a shot.

As the tax payers, we should be screaming about this, and telling him to get lost. LA doesn’t have a team mainly because they wont foot the bill, and noone there minds.

Agree

April 26th, 2012
11:30 am

Have you seen the new Madden video games? They look pretty good. You can play when you want AND they don’t cost a billion dollars.

Snake Doc

April 26th, 2012
11:30 am

Larry Sorry, we seem to have two Larry’s here, One is you the other is this guy:

Larry..

Notice the two peeriods in his posting name. Larry (No Periods), I definitely wasn’t talking to you, I was talking to Larry.. (with two periods) and I missed the two periods.

Its great to know that we two are on the same page.

My apologies for the confusion.

Delbert D.

April 26th, 2012
11:33 am

If I were interested in creating an enterprise that cost $947 million, I’d look for investors. Sell shares of stock. Share the cost, share in the profit. (Now, those potential investors might be more interested in building an asteroid-mining company, which would entail more risk but return more bang for the buck.) Come on, Arthur Blank, weren’t you once the uber capitalist? Are you morphing into a money grubbing socialist?

Sid

April 26th, 2012
11:40 am

Delbert D.

April 25th, 2012
10:18 pm
While we are discussing the wonders of downtown, we mustn’t forget the Richard B. Russell Federal Building. I went there on a dark, rainy morning in February, and the parking entrance to that place gave me flashbacks to scenes in “Blade Runner.”
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No wonder, that’s where it was filmed……………….!!

myside

April 26th, 2012
11:49 am

A stadium is a place to play games, football, baseball, soccer, basketball, etc. The Dome fills that football need, Turner Field fills that baseball need, and nobody in Georgia cares enough about pro soccer and pro basketball to cause a need there.
Since the stadiums already in place fill those needs why tear them down to build a palace just to replace them.
Demanding that already over taxed citizens of Atlanta and the state who can’t afford their medical and mortgage bills should help pay for a new stadium they can’t afford to go to is totally absurd.
As for more suites, There is plenty of seldom, or never, used seats at the Dome to make space for more rich folks who don’t want to lower themselves to use seats where the less rich folks sit. Their suites have to be higher than the regular seats so they can look down on the folks sitting there, and they don’t care about the cost because it satisfies their ego and is a tax write off for them.
If the locker rooms are not nice enough for the highly paid players and coaches, let them pay for upgrading them.
Arthur Blank is a highly respected owner but if these plans go through he will find himself losing a lot of that respect, whether he is guilty of the waste or not.
The Dome needs more and better police protection from the city so it does not make fans too scared to go there.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
12:05 pm

GaStBen April 26th, 2012 10:40 am

FACT: The Superbowl won’t come back to Atlanta until a new stadium is built. It’s outdated.
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You are right about one thing…………..Atlanta will not get another Superbowl untl they get a new stadium……….PERIOD. They have been told that directly. But the GA Dome being outdated…………yeah, right, that sucker is gonna collapse durng a game one of these days……just fall down like it was imploded. What an eyesore! Can we not get some resuscitation for this dilapidated old building, my God, what an embarrassment to the city. It has outserved it’s usefulness, it’s flatlined. You step in and it smells just like Bourbon St and there’s not enough worldwide bleach supply to get that stench out.

Larry,,,

April 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

…………and this is his other brother Larry.

Double Zero Eight

April 26th, 2012
12:08 pm

The Super Dome in New Orleans is a dump compared to the GA Dome.
It was built in the 70″s, and they don’t have any problem getting Super Bowls.
Let the Falcons and Arthur Blank pay for it as many have said.

PreyDawg

April 26th, 2012
12:10 pm

As a huge life long Falcon’s Fan, I agree with Schultzie 100% on this one. Well said Jeff.

Indydawg

April 26th, 2012
12:14 pm

Be careful folks. Indianapolis is a cautionary tale…

Reid in EAV

April 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

Public funding of sports venues is never a good deal. Read Field of Schemes. http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

So yes, I agree with this 100%. My position: pay for it your own d@mn self. If you want tax dollars, then seriously, talk to the finger and get the F out of town. Go find another, more naive, jurisdiction to anally rape for your own profit.

Email Profiling Is Wrong

April 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

“The building isn’t crumbling. Our priorities are.”

Amen Schultz.

The irony of ’state of the art’ facilities is their inevitable obsolescence. Build Artie’s palace now and count to 20 (years). Rest assured, within that time, one of his fellow owners will create for themselves a plaything with cutting edge technology and shameless amenities that will make Blank’s billion dollar venue look like a high school stadium.

Is there any doubt that Blank (or his heirs) will demand a comparable facility?

There are few things better than being an owner of an NFL franchise. There’s always somebody willing to meet their demands.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

Getting the Superbowl will not make the money ATL gets from the Chick-fil- A Kickoff Classic, Bowl. and the SEC CG game. The SEC CG and Bowl are in Late Nov & Dec the weather could be bad and people want to ENJOY thise games not HATE the weather. WE NEED THE DOME. Screw a Superbowl.

Biff Gaut

April 26th, 2012
12:20 pm

If there is a potential $300MM of revenue from a hotel tax, then pass the tax and use it for the general fund. I would hope it would alleviate other tax pressure, but it will probably just be spent on more programs, but still not on a private business.

With $300MM in tax credits to lure businesses to town, think how many jobs could be created – better jobs then selling beer 8 times a year or running a parking lot.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
12:24 pm

I don’t think we need a new stadium but face the facts, Arthur is gonna get one. Not that that hotel/motel tax couldn’t go to other needs.

Why not put it at the old GM site in Doraville? You don’t need hotels on site when you have a Marta rail station that abuts the property and a little revenue in Marta’s pocket doesn’t hurt. And in case you forgot that Marta line runs all the way to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

I support an open-air stadium (if they build one) and that would necessitate keeping the perfectly good GA Dome. But how many teams build a stadium with a retractable roof then close it on a perfectly beautiful day so as to increase 12th man crowd noise for home team advantage.

I fondly remember Falcons fooball in the elements at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, well, some seasons were better than others.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
12:17 pm
Getting the Superbowl will not make the money ATL gets from the Chick-fil- A Kickoff Classic, Bowl. and the SEC CG game. The SEC CG and Bowl are in Late Nov & Dec the weather could be bad and people want to ENJOY thise games not HATE the weather. WE NEED THE DOME. Screw a Superbowl.
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Man, come up with some stats on that statement. I gurantee a hotel room costs twice for a Superbowl as it does the games you mentioned. It’s a world wide stage my man.

Kyle

April 26th, 2012
12:43 pm

Something like this wouldn’t be so bad if we were talking about a team that had two or three Super Bowl trophies on the shelf but we are talking about one that has been around since ‘66 with nothing to show for it and of course you have New Orleans with one and Tampa Bay (who is 10 years younger than the Falcons) with one. I would say both teams past were worse than the Falcons but they managed to have the right upper management, coaches, and players to get over the top. You should give the city a Championship before you start asking for them to help with a new stadium.

Damage Inc.

April 26th, 2012
12:47 pm

What people don’t understand is that Atlanta will get a share of the revenue from a new stadium for YEARS to come. Do you know how much money that could be? It would not only be 8 times a year for the Falcons but for every other event as well.

goldenglove002

April 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Okay, chances are we can complain all we want but the city will still end up paying for part of the stadium. What I don’t get is why they want to additionally tear down the Dome. That building is amazing for doing so many things, and having the ability to do more than one event at a time could be spectacular for this city.

Think about this: The Chick-Fil-A Kickoff could consist of 8 teams. Two games could be played on each field over the course of kickoff weekend. Add Georgia Tech into the mix and you would have 10 college football fan bases invading the city. An event like that would be bigger in terms of money coming into the city than the Super Bowl. Imagine having an event larger than the super bowl EVERY YEAR. Atlanta can easily be the capital of college football, and two stadiums could help accommodate some amazing things.

And I’m not buying into the land being redeveloped where the Dome is currently. It’s not like we have a problem finding real-estate in Atlanta.

Y'all=Crazy

April 26th, 2012
12:51 pm

Um, people talking about moving the Falcons to LA instead of getting a new stadium here need to pass what they are smoking, because it must be some good sh*t…any Falcons fan would rather say goodbye to that sorry Dome and get a respectable field for our team to play on than move the team because of it. We will get another Super Bowl, probably multiple more Super Bowls if we get a new stadium, which will generate a ton of revenue for the city.

king dawg

April 26th, 2012
12:54 pm

Sid…no one wants to ride MATRA! Get it? Besides, it isn’t the stadium keeping Super Bowls out of Atlanta..it’s downtown Atlanta keeping Super Bowls away. Ride MARTA! Really? Decent people with a choice won’t.

j

April 26th, 2012
12:55 pm

This Stinks there goes my affordable season tickets. I guess I will be watching the games from home in a couple of years.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
12:58 pm

SID we could build a 100k seat stadium and the SEC CG will still want more tickets. Yes New Years Eve Chick-fil-A and the SEC CG game Sell MORE Hotel rooms because it happens EVERY YEAR. the Super Bowl is 1 time and maybe a second time 6 years later unless you are the Ghetto of New Orleans.

The Producer

April 26th, 2012
12:59 pm

In this so call Conservative State, where the majority proclaims lowering the taxes is main reason they laid off teachers at the expense of our children future. Now the majority will fight for the wealthy minority to get a new toy stadium. I guarantee once Mr. Blank gets his new stadium, courtesy of tax payers, he will raise ticket prices too. (Double Tax Whammy)
PS. Whatever happen to spending that kind of money on the horrible transportation situation here. Stupid is, stupid does.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
1:01 pm

SID and DragonCon is the Labor-day Weekend same as the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Classic.
The Superbowl can’t bring in the MONEY these events already produce.

alpharetta alice

April 26th, 2012
1:03 pm

the Falcons can go. Take the Hawks and uga with them. They are an all loser version of “the three amigos”.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
1:04 pm

king dWag you sir are a Moron. MARTA is the best way to do the Game. $5 ride or $20 parking? Want to come to a game from out of town? Fly into ATL hope on the train get off at the Dome watch the game get on the train back to the ATL and fly Delta back home.

king dawg

April 26th, 2012
1:09 pm

MARTA is for life’s underacheivers and undesireables. Sounds like you have a super fan card from MARTA. I won’t ride with lowlifes.

Richard Morgan

April 26th, 2012
1:10 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Jeff, for finally having the … to speak the truth and not just go with the flow toward an irresponsible use of taxpayer funds. I am fine with the current stadium, but if Mr Blank would like a new one to increase the value of this team, then he is a businessman and can run the numbers on this investment as well as anyone. No need for the taxpayers to pay one dollar toward this calculation other than them being the willing purchasers of the products and services that Mr Blank will be selling.

megamicro

April 26th, 2012
1:11 pm

i love the smell of open air

April 26th, 2012
1:16 pm

This new stadium is a great idea and much needed. The Dome is not awesome. I’m not worried about the tax dollars like so many other “fans” commenting here, at least these tax dollars will go to build something that will support the city unlike so many other projects the city has wasted money on in recent history. Blank is a philanthropist and does plenty of good with the money he has earned, the least we can do is support him as well.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

Hahahah KING DWAG don’t you spend your Saturdays with 82,000 of “life’s underacheivers and undesireables” in Sanford Stadium?

and it is” Undesirables” you idiot.

Here is a link to how well UGa spell but I guess you will not even notice it.
http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2012-articles/april/uga-misspells-new-weight-room-motto.html

MARTA Rida

April 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

@kingdawg
You learn to spell at that joke of a college called UGA. I would learn to spell 5-letter acronyms before ripping mass transit. There are plenty of decent people, me being one, that rides MARTA everyday and to sporting events. 5150 UOAD is right, MARTA is the best way of getting to any sporting event downtown. $5 to delivery people to the front door of the venues. MARTA is very safe, more likely to die driving home from the games than being mugged on MARTA.

shoe glue

April 26th, 2012
1:18 pm

The Dome is not awesome.

Neither are the Falcons.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
1:24 pm

MARTA will have to go to ANY stadium built. the Workers will have to get there too and most need MARTA.

Spot On

April 26th, 2012
1:26 pm

Great job Jeff, one of your best ever.

Andrew

April 26th, 2012
1:29 pm

How does the state of Georgia and the city of Atlanta justify spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a new stadium (particularly when the Georgia Dome is only 20 years old) when the education system has seen such drastic cutbacks? It seems many of our politicians are more concerned with lining their pockets than actually assisting the people of Georgia.

P B Orr

April 26th, 2012
1:31 pm

Jeff, while I certainly appreciate your position, you cannot analyze it this way. In fact a modern stadium would reflect on the city itself in a very positive way that would pay for itself in many hidden ways that cannot be directly calculated, much as the Apollo moon program led to unexpected benefits in terms of techniques of systems engineering that were applicable in many disciplines not directly related to space travel. You cannot reduce everything to a simple bottom line. And building a stadium need not be done “instead” of building schools and improving the sewers, not to say hiring cops and teachers. It’s cheapness and lack of vision that leads to the collapse of an economy. Ask Birmingham how they feel about being cheap and regressive in the early 20th century, when they were the natural candidate for the South’s leading city.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
1:31 pm

ANDREW check this link and laugh about the EDUCATION in Georgia and at UGa Hahaha

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2012-articles/april/uga-misspells-new-weight-room-motto.html

Raaaaaaaandy

April 26th, 2012
1:34 pm

..the city doesn’t benefit at all from having 70,000 people come in to town 30 times a year

southern hope

April 26th, 2012
1:43 pm

For what it’s worth, my family and i attended one Falcons game….it was our first but we’ve attended other games in cities around the country & have loved it..we’ll never go back…it was incredibly depressing, incredibly non-football, hard to see, yuck (and the Falcons won that day). I would imagine that there are thousands of folks who would see a game here if the facility weren’t so darn awful.

k483

April 26th, 2012
1:50 pm

If I’m going to pony up for Mr. Blank’s new stadium, I want something that will favor my home team. Perhaps it can be designed where blinding sunlight is focused into the eyes of an opposing quarterback, regardless of the quarter. Or maybe some engineering that tilts the playing field where the opposition is having to march up a 12 degree incline in order to score. Hey, maybe even a retracting field where those pesky fourth and short tries become even shorter. Now that’s a stadium I’d gladly pay for!

Jason

April 26th, 2012
1:52 pm

How many people have been in a retractable roof stadium, especially one built recently? Even when the roof is open it isn’t anywhere near the feel of a true open air stadium. it’s like comparing a convertable to a car with a sunroof. It’s not even close to being the best of both worlds.

Jim G

April 26th, 2012
1:52 pm

If a single penny of tax payer money is used to pay for the stadium, I will cancel my season tickets and never watch or attend another Falcon game. I will just support my Dawgs… I’m getting to the point where I’m disgusted with professional sports. There is no reason why the tax payers should foot any of the cost to help Arthur Blank make more money.

Urb

April 26th, 2012
1:58 pm

Put it in The Gulch. It would transform Downtown’s biggest eyesore into huge attraction. It also has great connections to Downtown transit and other attractions.

Jeff

April 26th, 2012
1:59 pm

Since I do not live in GA I don’t care how this new dome is paid for I just want one :)
Build it now.

Chaz

April 26th, 2012
2:04 pm

You guys worried about the hotel and motel tax? How many unfaithful married taxpayers in Atlanta could there be?

yeahsure

April 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

Not a fan of retractable roof stadiums. They are oddly shaped eyesores and dont let in enough light. They leave huge shadows on the field.
That being said, the GA Dome is not adequate. It looks horrible on television and the fan experience during the game is mediocre. Needs: better tailgating areas, better parking, better game-day environment outside of the dome. Encourage people to come early by giving them things to do besides falcons landing or better places to tailgate.

Turner Field is even worse when it comes to accessability and parking. C’mon Atlanta. Let’s do it right this time.

richard whiskey

April 26th, 2012
2:10 pm

pro sports teams only benefit A.billionaire owners B.millionaire players they damn sure don’t benefit me and you

yeahsure

April 26th, 2012
2:14 pm

oh yeah… please people, stop saying things like “i will not renew my season tickets, or buy tickets for another game”. I know most of the people that post this probably havent been to a single game in the past 5 years. It get’s old.

Go Falcons

Well said, Jeff

April 26th, 2012
2:14 pm

I agree 100%.

Mr

April 26th, 2012
2:16 pm

You nailed it JS.

Ozzy

April 26th, 2012
2:18 pm

I completely Agree there with you Jeff. It is like selling your son’s 3 year old Lexus to buy a new Mercedes for him. Falcons being the “spoiled Child” here just because they’ve made it to playoffs a few years in a row.

SteveC

April 26th, 2012
2:19 pm

There are NO — zero — unbiased feasibilitystudies that say spending ANY public funds on ANY stadiums/arenas is economically justified. We do NOT need to reallocate scarce tax dollars to private enterprise — especially one like the NFL that makes billions already. The “economic benefits” are far, far outweighed by 1) the additional, hidden costs like infrastructure changes and 2) the loss of tax dollars that could have been more wisely applied eslewhere.

KM

April 26th, 2012
2:28 pm

If a new open-air stadium (with or without a retractable roof) is to be built, then the Falcons ownership should foot the entire cost of building it. Arthur Blank’s ego has become almost as outrageous as Jerry Jones.

Jumpy Geathers

April 26th, 2012
2:31 pm

Blank’s high if he really, REALLY, thinks this is an ok thing to do when Atlanta has bigger transportation concerns that need to be fixed and on top of North Fulton pushing harder for separation to recreate Milton County.

Joe

April 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

This is exactly the mentality that explains why Atlanta will always be losersville……no support for anything…maybe if we take some of the money elected officials use to throw lavish parties and other waste of taxpayers dollars that have made the news lately, we could build a nice new stadium…….what a joke this article is…from a sportwriter no less…..

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

Arty needs a new Bigger Phallus to find a 20 something year old wife to marry him and pay for his last wife.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
2:55 pm

Joe
April 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

This is exactly the mentality that explains why Atlanta will always be losersville……no support for anything…maybe if we take some of the money elected officials use to throw lavish parties and other waste of taxpayers dollars that have made the news lately, we could build a nice new stadium…….what a joke this article is…from a sportwriter no less…

JOE you write a $20 million dollar check to get the ball rolling.

tmc

April 26th, 2012
3:02 pm

WHEN DO THE FALCONS LISTEN TO THE FANS?

The GA Dome location is horrible for a football stadium on many levels.
The GM Plant location by I-285 west of I-85 is a great location.
It would spark a lot of other business in the surrounding area.
It has a MARTA train line and would offer quick entrance/exits via I-285, PIB, I-85…

If the tax payers are on the hook for 1/3 the cost, how about they be heard?
The Ga Dome location sux beans and the only reason to rebuild there is so some corrupt people get paid… or the GWCC get’s a piece of the action and Not because it’s a good place for the team to play.

How about that article Jeff?

JSS

April 26th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Why not put it at the old GM site in Doraville?”

Ha ha, goes to prove that a seriously bizarre segment of AJC Bloggers never listen! Doraville said more than 2 years ago that the GM site is a no go, never going to happen as a stadium site!
http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/15/doraville-gm-plant.php
Don’t let the 21st century hit you in the head getting there!

ugakev from columbus

April 26th, 2012
3:06 pm

The Georgia Dome is a very nice place to watch a football game. The recent renovations I thought made the place alot more enjoyable. It’s crazy to even think that it is probably going to be demolished. The Braves need a new baseball stadium before the Falcons need a new football stadium and I am a bigger fan of the Falcons. We should build a smaller, true baseball stadium.

Buffy

April 26th, 2012
3:06 pm

2000% correct Jeff. 300 mill would go a long way to cleaning up Northside Drive, Jones Ave and all of the thugs prowling the area. i’ve been a Falcon fan since 1967, season ticket holder at Atl Fulto Cnty Stadium. Got out when the Dome priced me out. Outlandish to need a new stadium. The Dome is barely broken in.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
3:08 pm

Moreover, the DOT would have to spend at least 4 years remapping exit ramps (and you need at least 6 of those) to get traffic to work at that site in Doraville… You guys are deluded saying that it is easier traffic wise! Buford Hwy and Peachtree Industrial are already a mess during rush hour, and don’t let an accident happen!!! Ha ha, that’s crazy talk!

reckingball

April 26th, 2012
3:12 pm

The people that run this country, and state are going to do what the rich folks want them to do.

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
3:12 pm

If we as TAX PAYERS are on the HOOK then fix the water and sewer systems or build MARTA to Kennesaw State University and to the University of Georgia. Those projects benefit Tax Payers more than a PLAYGROUND.

Buffy

April 26th, 2012
3:12 pm

5150 UOAD -Right on point. But Artie has you beat…word has it he is divorcing his young wife (that he married away fro HD store number 321 paint department by leaving his first wife) so he can now continue boinking his 26 year old personal trainer. Just a big ego with endless cash.

reckingball

April 26th, 2012
3:14 pm

Or should I say that the rich folks run this state and country, and they are going to do whatever they want to do.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
3:18 pm

king dawg April 26th, 2012 12:54 pm
Sid…no one wants to ride MATRA! Get it? Besides, it isn’t the stadium keeping Super Bowls out of Atlanta..it’s downtown Atlanta keeping Super Bowls away. Ride MARTA! Really? Decent people with a choice won’t.
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king dawg (but I’ll bet that’s entirely contradictory), you are certainly entitled to get to the stadium anyway you want or can afford. Do you own a car? Can you get limo service? No one wants to ride Matra (sp)?? It is an option and the Doraville GM site sits within eye sight of a Marta station and a whole bunch of “decent people” as you put it already take Marta to the games at the GA Dome. So if it’s downtown Atlanta keeping the Superbowl out maybe Doraville is a good option. Say it with me baby, “The Doraville Falcons” ………….lol……….!!!

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

SID…….when talking or typing to King dWag you have to misspell every 3rd word so he can read it. His UGa diploma is printed on Toilet Paper.

Milburn Drysdale

April 26th, 2012
3:26 pm

I believe Arthur is just wanting to “keep up with the Jones’s”

PMC

April 26th, 2012
3:27 pm

If you buy a PSL you’re a sucker.

PMC

April 26th, 2012
3:28 pm

tmc – I believe the city of doraville put the kybosh on that location. I don’t think they like money.

tmc

April 26th, 2012
3:28 pm

JSS- just because someone says no the first time doesn’t mean it’s no everytime.

It’s called business. Now that a few ideas have failed to materialize in Doraville, it might be time to revisit. No means no right now. Not forever.
But don’t let logic get in the way of a good name calling opportunity.

DePort

April 26th, 2012
3:30 pm

Can someone please tell me how much money came out of your pockets when the dome was built in the early 90s? This stadium is being built on the hotel tax from the state. How many hotels do you stay in in your own state, so the stadium is actually being built by everyone else coming to Georgia from out of state. Why is this such a horrible idea? Once the stadium is built we will generate a Billion dollars from having the super bowl here, again what is wrong with this picture?

Sid

April 26th, 2012
3:35 pm

JSS April 26th, 2012 3:08 pm
Moreover, the DOT would have to spend at least 4 years remapping exit ramps (and you need at least 6 of those) to get traffic to work at that site in Doraville… You guys are deluded saying that it is easier traffic wise! Buford Hwy and Peachtree Industrial are already a mess during rush hour, and don’t let an accident happen!!! Ha ha, that’s crazy talk!
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Ha ha yourself…………this is your highest rated post for low mentality ever JSS. Obviously you are not an engineer. Most games are on Sunday thereby reducing traffic period. How many exits do you count for the GA Dome? You don’t have to worry about the traffic also trying to use the same routes to get to Braves and Hawks games playing at times that lapover. The DOT would have to spend at least 4 years remapping exit ramps ……….??? C’mon JSS, you really had to reach way up there to pull this one out of your butt.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
3:41 pm

PMC April 26th, 2012 3:28 pm
tmc – I believe the city of doraville put the kybosh on that location. I don’t think they like money.
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Actually, when DeKalb County saw the $$$ signs and the potential they put the “kybosh” on Doraville, at least that was the last info I heard. The site has been looked at for a mixed-use development but to my knowledge no investor group has jumped on board.

Rowdy_Red_Pachyderm

April 26th, 2012
3:50 pm

Man, talk about cheap skates….

The GA Dome or our home stadium away from home is the oldest smallest stadium in the NFL and half the size of Bryant Denny and half as modernized.

I wish the Falcons would come on over to Tuscaloosa for a couple of games a year and then we would fill that thing up and possibly get them over the Hump for a Superbowl victory.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
3:52 pm

5150 UOAD April 26th, 2012 3:23 pm
SID…….when talking or typing to King dWag you have to misspell every 3rd word so he can read it. His UGa diploma is printed on Toilet Paper.
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Easy now, he is the king dawg!!

Just wanted to mention info I found on the SEC CG economic impact:

The annual event has generated over $702 million of economic impact to the city of Atlanta since 2000, an average of nearly $64 million per year.

The Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game will open the 2012 college football season with the first-ever double hosting of marquee, BCS-style games on back-to-back days in the same venue.

On the Chick-fil_A Kickoff Classic:

The first game will feature NC State versus Tennessee on Friday, Aug. 31. The second game will pit Auburn against Clemson on Saturday, Sept. 1.

Between the two games, more than 145,000 fans are expected to be in Atlanta to celebrate the opening of the 2012 season and be a part of history. All four teams and their fans will be in Atlanta at the same time, creating a college football celebration of epic proportions. The pair of Chick-fil-A Kickoff Games is expected to generate more than $60 million in economic impact.

The Superbowl generates up to $500,000.000.00. That’s half a billion.

Sid

April 26th, 2012
3:56 pm

Buffy April 26th, 2012 3:12 pm
Artie has you beat…word has it he is divorcing his young wife (that he married away fro HD store number 321 paint department by leaving his first wife) so he can now continue boinking his 26 year old personal trainer. Just a big ego with endless cash.
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You sound terribly jealous.

Cohutta Dawgman

April 26th, 2012
3:58 pm

Let’s make a deal with Arthur. Falcons win a Super Bowl and then we’ll talk about a new stadium. How about that?

shoe glue

April 26th, 2012
4:00 pm

MARTA will have to go to ANY stadium built. the Workers will have to get there too and most need MARTA.

Put it on Cherokee county, hire Cherokee county workers, keep Marta out of it.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
4:03 pm

SId, that is not how traffic flow studies are done… 1. You just don’t sit down a 70,000 seat stadium in an potential EPA super site area. 2. DOT said during the public forums held during the redevelopment hearings that were held what would be needed to handle that kind of traffic flow on a game day. 3. The Marta station would have to be doubled in size to handle the game capacity. 4. That land is going to cost nearly $60 million dollars. 5. For as much as the NFL has lambasted Atlanta for the last Super Bowl ice storm debacle, the Dallas Super Bowl disaster made the need the for proximity hotels and airport location a priority… You are just wasting time and effort trying to anyone back on that Doraville stadium… DeKalb County is a secondary player in the Doravile redevelop process. The city of Doraville holds the keys. Learn when to let a lost cause go!!!

Stick to calling people names…

Sid

April 26th, 2012
4:03 pm

JSS April 26th, 2012 3:02 pm

Ha ha, goes to prove that a seriously bizarre segment of AJC Bloggers never listen! Doraville said more than 2 years ago that the GM site is a no go, never going to happen as a stadium site!
http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/15/doraville-gm-plant.php
Don’t let the 21st century hit you in the head getting there!
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The link you reference says nothing about Doraville saying anything about the GM site, much less “never going to happen”. If anything it reinforces what I said about DeKalb County taking the reins.

Marvelous Mark

April 26th, 2012
4:04 pm

What is you people’s obsessiion with MARTA? Who gives a rats azz about where MARTA runs or doesn’t run. Atlanta would be better off if MARTA went fewer places.

sar

April 26th, 2012
4:07 pm

So let me get this straight. In the 1960’s, Atlanta was able to build a stadium that was used by 2 teams for over 30 years. Then in the 1990’s, they built a stadium that is used by 1 team for 20 years. Is there any reason for me not to believe that in the 2020’s they will want a another new one after 10 years. Just another reason to get a nice HDTV (or two), surround sound and enjoy the games with a better view than any of the people watching from the billion dollar sink hole.

5251 DAOU

April 26th, 2012
4:10 pm

MARTA is a human right. Like health care. And free cell phones. And Hoverounds.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
4:11 pm

“Remapping:” the physical acquisition of right of ways, getting federal approval and local approval of the reconfiguration of the “federal highway system or interchange.” By the time that whole process takes place, it will take 4 years! Don’t believe me, ask anyone involved in the outer perimeter project why they’ve never finished it? Stick that up yours!!!

Milburn Drysdale

April 26th, 2012
4:18 pm

Rowdy Red, until the USFL comes back…keep on dreamin

5150 UOAD

April 26th, 2012
4:21 pm

To the people that Hate MARTA either you have NEVER traveled in Europe of big cities like NY or Chicago.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
4:26 pm

Geez Louise, are you that straight crazy or just purely lazy? Since shooting down the original Doraville stadium overtures in October of 2009, Doraville has said “no!” What don’t you understand about the separation between “county powers” and “city powers?” They don’t want a stadium in their backyard! DeKalb County can’t magically force that stadium unless the legislature passes a special constitutional amendment. They it has to pass in a county wide special election giving them the power to supersede their city charter and the rights to govern their city as they see fit! Goodness, it is dead!!!

JoeFan

April 26th, 2012
4:26 pm

All the Atlanta Sports franchises keep telling me that these are my teams. If they are my teams, when are they going to give me a say in how they are run and start paying me dividends? There will be a new stadium but that doesn’t make it right. Life will go on whether Atlanta has any professional sport franchises. It is way past time for this country to get its priorities in order.

5251 DAOU

April 26th, 2012
4:29 pm

The overall crime numbers for MARTA for fiscal 2011 showed 48 robberies, 83 aggravated assaults, 216 larcenies and 63 auto thefts.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Stats-show-rise-in-MARTA-robberies-2448988.php#ixzz1tBEUnM8b

crime stats in my car for 2011: 0 robberies, 0 agg assaults, 0 larcenies, 0 auto thefts…of course, I don’t transport life’s losers and keep a Sig 9mm to keep the peace.

5251 DAOU

April 26th, 2012
4:32 pm

gotta go…toodles yall…

Sid

April 26th, 2012
4:36 pm

SId, that is not how traffic flow studies are done… 1. You just don’t sit down a 70,000 seat stadium in an potential EPA super site area. 2. DOT said during the public forums held during the redevelopment hearings that were held what would be needed to handle that kind of traffic flow on a game day. 3. The Marta station would have to be doubled in size to handle the game capacity. 4. That land is going to cost nearly $60 million dollars. 5. For as much as the NFL has lambasted Atlanta for the last Super Bowl ice storm debacle, the Dallas Super Bowl disaster made the need the for proximity hotels and airport location a priority… You are just wasting time and effort trying to anyone back on that Doraville stadium… DeKalb County is a secondary player in the Doravile redevelop process. The city of Doraville holds the keys. Learn when to let a lost cause go!!!*********************************************************
When did I make any comment about how traffic flow studies are done? What you are referencing isn’t about a stadium, it’s about the entire redevelopment, and, if it is developed for TOD principles. This is a 165 acre tract………..the GA Dome sits on 9.19 acres. Several planned projects and proposed plans have been developed for the study area due to its proximity to I-85 and I-285. Georgia
Department of Transportation (GDOT) and the Transit Planning Board (TPB) both have regional concept plans for multi-transit improvements in or adjacent to the area:

http://thedoravilleproject.com/thesite.html

An EPA super site area? Where do you come up with this stuff………………..

The Dallas Super Bowl disaster? They had a winter storm a week before the game, flights got in and out, people got to their hotels. Some ice fell off of a roof. That’s a disaster.

southern hope

April 26th, 2012
4:37 pm

so tired of these MARTA discussions….I’ve been taking MARTA 5 days a week for 3 years. I love it. Yes, it goes nowhere but whose fault is that? For folks like me (who can walk to the station & get off right at my downtown office), it’s an amazing system. Except for its lack of access, its actually nicer than the NYC or DC subway….and not much worse than BART (and I’ve used all 3).

ozzfest

April 26th, 2012
4:50 pm

Art….cut the crap!
We are going to carve your soul into tiny little pieces if you do not crawl back up to Flowery Branch and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

8 home games per year for a BILLION fn DOLLARS? Prepare to have your head handed to you by the tax paying public.

THE DOME IS ONE OF THE FINEST VENUES IN AMERICA. YOU CAN NOT SELL THE “LUXURY SUITES” YOU ALREADY HAVE…SO YOU WANT MORE??

MORE….MORE…MORE……..INSANE.

Taxi Smith

April 26th, 2012
5:20 pm

It is criminal to tear down the Georgia Dome after only twenty years. I attended several games last fall (mostly collegiate) and I just cannot understand why the state would allow this to happen. It is a waste of tax dollars, wherever they come from! Sorry Mr. Blank; this stinks.

Troy Goodwin

April 26th, 2012
5:21 pm

You haven’t been to other NFL stadiums have you??

Well Pure Evil, I’ve been 5 NFL stadiums in my lifetime; Reliant Stadium, The Astrodome, The Superdome,(Home to your Natural Born Rivals-The Saints) Texas Stadium, and The Georgia Dome.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
5:39 pm

There were 3 representatives from the GA DOT at the City of Doraville meeting that were held on October 19, 2009. The Doraville plant was the no. 5 releaser of TRI chemicals before it closed down. Do you (try using common sense here) not think once they finally start breaking ground to do the environmental feasibility studies what the outcome is going to be? Go to Flint, River Rouge, or even a fairly modern plant like Smyrna, TN and see what happened?

Here’s the root problem with your argument and I mean I’m done with this with you…. Doraville does not want it, no stadium in a suburban setting has spurred real growth in that area except possibly where the Patroits play. Pontiac is a ghost town.Those places have a 20 year shelf life. Doraville doesn’t want to go out that way. They want something sustainable for hopefully the next half century or more… Let it go, they have!
From then to now…
http://www.championnewspaper.com/news/articles/112doraville-says-no-to-falcons-stadium-at-former-gm-plant-112.html

RailD

April 26th, 2012
6:04 pm

Best commuter rail systems I’ve used:

San Francisco, Wash DC, Boston

Worst: Atlanta, LA

New Taxes!

April 26th, 2012
6:08 pm

I don’t live in atlanta or fulton county, so it doesn’t matter if they jack up taxes sky high to pay for a new $1 billion dome!!! I would like to go to games in that new palace, as long as ticket prices don’t go up. If they do PSLs, I will not go. This is not new york, it’s lowly atlanta.

Jeff E.

April 26th, 2012
7:04 pm

Now you know what us in Minnesota have been dealing with. They cried about 10 years after the dome opened that it was out of date and needed to be torn down. Now they want us to pay almost 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium. The NFL commisioner even threatened us if we didn’t build the stadium there would be “serious consequences.” Now our legislature will probably approve the stadium. Look out Atlanta the commisioner will probably threaten you also.

JSS

April 26th, 2012
7:42 pm

Jeff E. too late, he already played that card…

JSS

April 26th, 2012
8:14 pm

Hey Jeff Schultz, you use to work the 49ers beat; what are your feelings about the whole Santa Clara stadium deal? I’ve been meaning to ask for quite a while…

atlanta to Seattle2016

April 26th, 2012
8:54 pm

absolutly nothing wrong with the ga dome…WORST DOME??SUPER DOME IN NASTY STINKIN NEW ORLEANS ITS 40 YRS OLD!!yet it gets super bowls why???BEST FOOTBALL STADIUM??CENTURY LINK FIELD ,SEATTLE,WA..AND ABSOLUTLY LOUD(CALLED THE 12TH MAN) AND INTIMADATING TO OTHER TEAMS..WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF SEATTLE..AND HAS YET TO HOST A SUPER BOWL..

Let's Be Real

April 26th, 2012
9:41 pm

Why are so many Falcons fans concerned about hosting another Super Bowl? It certainly has an economic impact, but it’s nearly always overestimated. And unless you own a hotel or restaurant near the new stadium you won’t be economically impacted in any way.

The idea of building a new stadium to host one or two Super Bowls is frivolous.

yuzeyurbrane

April 26th, 2012
11:45 pm

Who wants to bet that Deal’s daughter or other family member or close friend gets a contract to do PR or fly airplanes or something else (does it really matter what the title is?) for the Falcons after the big deal has been signed? I can count on the fingers of my 2 hands the number of commentators I have ever read favoring this corrupt deal. Yet it continues as if the people don’t count. When are Georgians going to have enough rage to throw these bums out of office? Not to mention, where is our savior Attorney General Sam Olens re investigating this pile of poo? It just stinks to high heaven.

Mike

April 27th, 2012
7:22 am

Atlantans should research similar headlines in Kansas City in the 60’s. Taxpayers were promised a stadium with a retractable roof. Take a look at Arrowhead Stadium today….no roof.

Howard H

April 27th, 2012
7:42 am

They need a new place to hold all the championship banners!
Let’s see new stadiums for falcons, braves, hawks… Carry the one, looks like sum total of championships in new stadiums is…zero?

[...] in tax revenue so the Falcons can enjoy a new, more profitable home offends the crap out of me.  Jeff Schultz is right – it’s not that Arthur Blank is a villain or merely even a lousy owner – the [...]

Georgia on my mind..

April 27th, 2012
7:55 am

The money should be spent on educating our children. If the owner wants a new stadium, let him pay for it himself. Look at what happened in New Orleans. Their Superdome survived Hurricane Katrina and the Saints still won a Super Bowl! Building a new stadium would be a waste of tax payer money!!

DealMe

April 27th, 2012
8:11 am

the deal with get forced through with muscle from blank’s people and connected friends in the city govt and state legislature, who will make millions from related contracts—the typical mode of business in atlanta. Fans and taxpayers—bend over!

barneyfife

April 27th, 2012
8:13 am

Agreed…..winners or losers, taxpayers should NEVER have to bear the financial albatross of financing a sports venue. With teachers, cops, firefighters furloughed & losing jobs, we are retarded for even discussing the possibility of paying for this. The arrogance of any team owner/management for even asking for public funds for this.

John

April 27th, 2012
8:34 am

I have no interest in sports and have never been to a single sporting event, nor do I plan to. I do NOT want my money spent on a stadium. If Arthur wants a new stadium, he should pay for it all!

Tucker

April 27th, 2012
9:02 am

To cut costs, why don’t they keep the Dome roof and use it as a tarp when it rains? Maybe dye it blue to match the ones they sell at Home Depot.

jus'sayin'

April 27th, 2012
9:03 am

Funny how our state lawmakers love to criticize so-called irresponsible liberal spending when it goes towards programs that benefit regular people in the community, yet they practically fall over themselves to give $300 million to a billionaire during a financial crisis. Go figure! I’m not opposed to public money going into football stadiums per se, because I understand how they creates jobs and benefit the community, but we already have one! The only one who benefits from a new one is Blank himself. And one more thing Blank, you want a world class stadium like they have in New York and Dallas, but they have something you haven’t got: championships. Bring home a Lombardi trophy and stadium talk will be much more palatable.

P

April 27th, 2012
9:05 am

I am totally against ANY tax money being used for Billionaire’s hobbies. Study after study shows that the only beneficiary is the TEAM OWNER, NOT THE TAX PAYER OR CITY.

I like watching the NFL, but If the Falcons want to move, that is fine with me.

david

April 27th, 2012
9:18 am

I agree on the GSU comment. I bet GSU would buy it for the $ 8.3 million for the cost of the tear down.

Deep V

April 27th, 2012
9:30 am

EXACTLY how I feel, and I’m not even some rabid tea party guy. I’m actually pretty far left on most issues, and this just feels wrong. I LOVE the Falcons and I go to a ton of games. Would I like a pretty new stadium and open air football? Yes. Would I rather spend $300 million to address other problems in the city? You bet.

kb

April 27th, 2012
9:33 am

To all the fools who don’t want help the Falcons get a new stadium, you really need to join the 21st century. If Blank pays for it, then the state nor the city can get any of the tax money from it. That means Blank gets all of the money from all of the events that goes in there too: concerts, monster truck events, bmx rides (the Mountain Dew tour and the like), and the like. This city is always claiming that they don’t have any money for stuff, but somehow find money for some of the dumbest stuff around.

Also, if Blank builds it, he is going to move it up to Flowery Branch where they are less security risk for his customers(no one bumming money from you). That would take a lot of restaurant and tourist money away from downtown. Then they would be crying about loss money.

So all of you people who don’t want to pitch and help Blank build this thing, please don’t cry about the ticket prices going up to it and the city losing it charm to it.

kb

April 27th, 2012
9:37 am

One other thought: have anyone been inside the dome lately? There are rats in there big as small cats in there!!! Some of the men’s bathrooms are in shoddy condition. The food courts is terrible. Any many of you still think the Dome is ok???

kb

April 27th, 2012
9:41 am

Sorry for the earlier typos….

PMC

April 27th, 2012
9:51 am

jus sayin, this has nothing to do with the state. This is Atlanta money. That money is about keeping the stadium downtown so people coming into town will stay in Atlanta hotels and eat in Atlanta restaurants.

If the State lawmakers were in charge they’d build it in freaking Unadilla and put a fishing museum next door.

PMC

April 27th, 2012
9:54 am

Southern Hope, pretty much agree with you on Marta, I just wish it was more like the London Underground. Fast, Efficient, Reliable and it goes everywhere.

Mr. Mustartd

April 27th, 2012
9:55 am

Larry, you’re an idiot.

PMC

April 27th, 2012
9:56 am

The Doraville site just made so much sense because there is a Marta stop already there. Oh well.

John Tackett

April 27th, 2012
10:07 am

One of my biggest issues with a new stadium is the location they are considering.. the marshaling yards to the north of the dome. The traffic plan they have proposed is a poor one. If you have ever driven on Ivan Allen when there is a large event downtown you know what I mean. And it will now be a 1/2 mile walk from MARTA station at the Dome. The new stadium, if built, needs to be somewhere that has easy access to and from the interstate or easy access to transit.

ATL Observer

April 27th, 2012
11:03 am

I’d sell off the Dome to GA State or someone else for a penny-bargain price rather than just tear it down. Is it the best NFL stadium in the country? Not even close. Is it a worthless unit to be completely destroyed, leaving a huge gap between the Congress Center and CNN? Not that either.

$300 mill from the state works out to something like $30-31 dollars per person. The question is: where does the state make money off of this? If they see an increase in out-of-state tax revenue of $5 million a year and we get it in relief….then fine, this pays for itself in six years. But the state shouldn’t go a dime above that.

NoleRick

April 27th, 2012
11:04 am

Jeff
You are starting to sound like a conservative Republican!
Congrats

Alfred Jenkins

April 27th, 2012
11:57 am

Thank god they are getting a new stadium.

football outdoors is great and they can close it if they need to.

Also the Georgia Dome is a dump by modern NFL standards.

jokerswild

April 27th, 2012
2:09 pm

If A.B. wants a new stadium..let him pay for the WHOLE thing from start to finish..that way he shares NO revenue with anyone!!! It makes absolutely NO sense for the GWCC to get involved in this B/S at all..unless they are trying to grease their own slimy palms..which we all know is the case..why in the hell would they want to tear down a perfectly good structure?

Arthur's Palace

April 27th, 2012
3:06 pm

If Arthur wants a taxpayer paid stadium–he will get one. He’s a billionaire and knows how to give lots of money to the right people to get it done. Pay up–Arthur wants more money like Jerry Jones!

Michael

April 27th, 2012
3:51 pm

The Dome MAKES MONEY for the state. It is the revenue driver for the GWCC. All money from non-Falcon events goes to state. I think the state currently makes more money on Falcon tickets sales than Blank does. The Falcon have a crappy deal left over from the Smith era. Arthur wants a better deal and a new place for 2020 for his $700 million. The state wants to keep earning money from an indoor stadium. The negotiations are about how much money each gets to make. The $300 million TAX MONEY is from an extension of current hotel guest fees. If the hotel owners have issue with this, then we might have a real issue. Otherwise, let’s all enjoy the idea of a snazzy new stadium in 7-8 years.

hbcuclassics

April 27th, 2012
5:33 pm

The public interest advocate in me says…

The Georgia Dome isnt even paid off yet…
And the Falcons want a new stadium already???…
Yet, have not won a playoff game in 7 years!!!
Nor sniffed a Super Bowl appearance since…

The realist in me says…

First class cities have shining new coliseums…
Recent visit to DC witnesseth Nats…nice, very nice…

And talk about community re-development…whoa
Now that’s a double-edged sword…WDC is shining!…
But the natives sent on Trail of Tears…

Technically a stadium can anchor community renewal…
But it’s a topographic transformation only…
The current residents “will not” be the beneficiaries…

Mr. Blank will get his stadium…and we’ll pay for it…
The city will say look at us, we’re competitive…we’re hot…
New urban strips, condos, bars, eats, etc. will sprout…
And the poor will be pushed further out into the hinterlands…

There may be some incidental benefits to city stadiums…
But those patrons are in/out so fast…is it worth it?….
Living off Northside Drive corridor, I live the traffic nightmare!!!

Wouldn’t mind if North Fulton got some of that…wouldnt even miss it…
Turner Field is awesome, but it didn’t trigger any corporate expansion…
A small hotel, gas station, couple chicken joints…that’s about it…

Drexel Gal

April 28th, 2012
4:09 am

It is surprisingly refreshing (or is that “refreshingly surprising”?) to hear a liberal such as Mr. Schultz expound on the virtues of private funding. Oh … that’s right … this is NOT socialized medicine.

Chub Rock

April 28th, 2012
4:28 am

I think it’s safe to say Thomas Dimitroff walks to the beat of a different drum. Every year he either drafts a guy that he could get as an UDFA or he drafts a guy 2 or 3 rds higher than he is projected. It’s almost like he’s afraid to succeed at the draft. A solid pick falls in his lap in Konz then he feels the need to go off into his Beautiful Mind BS with the Holmes pick. Lamar Holmes is a good draft pick but you do not have to use the 91st pick on Lamar Holmes. Dimitroff clearly falls in love with guys he scouts, there is no other way to justify such a pick at this position in the draft. For godsake man draft Lamar Holmes if you must but in the 5th RD. Heck you’ve got 2 picks there. I just don’t get it. The guy thinks he’s smarter than everybody else and it’s just not true. I don’t care if Lamar Holmes turns out to be a Hall of Fame LT, you could still get him in the 5th rd on present day earth. If Dimitroff is taking 6th rounders in the 3rd I’m afraid to watch the draft tomorrow. I guarantee he takes at least one guy tomorrow that does not project to even be drafted at all….probably in the 5th rd. Then in the 6th and 7th he’ll compensate for that by drafting guys who have fallen in the draft.

Santa Clara Taxpayer

April 28th, 2012
10:38 am

In Santa Clara the people were told that the 49ers/NFL/stadium revenues would pay for 88% to 92% of the stadium. The mayor of Santa Clara said on the news that the 49ers would pay 92%. We had a stadium ballot measure that was essentially cheerleading for the stadium without cost disclosure (there is no legal requirement in CA for cost disclosure on city-wide ballot measures-there is for state and county-wide ballot measures.) They poured $5 million into a campaign for a city of 117,000 people (and 1/2 of our school children get free or reduced priced lunch – we are not a wealthy community despite being in Silicon Valley.) People voted yes because they were sold on the idea that Santa Clara would get a stadium essentially for free.
Fast forward 18 months later after 100 closed door sessions between our city council and parties for the 49ers, and a city agency the Stadium Authority is taking on $850 million in debt (construction loans) for the stadium. 3 months later the loans are up to $950 million. The loans come due at the end of construction, and there is no clear way to pay off the loans. The people collected signatures to demand the right to vote on the new stadium deal because it does not resemble what we voted on, but the people were sued by the city council/Stadium Authority and the 49ers Stadium Company to deny us the right to vote on the loans. A judge agreed to take away our right to vote. Note that many of our pro-stadium city council members received large campaign contributions from the 49ers owners/their contractors/building and trades unions/others who stand to make money off of the stadium.
So now our little city’s agency will take on $950 million in loans. What will happen when those loans come due in 2 years? How will those loans be re-financed? We’re told that because it is an ‘agency’ of the city and not the city itself taking on the loans that we are insulated from the debt. Uh-huh. If there was no risk to the loans, then why were the loans not disclosed on the ballot measure?
Oh-the ballot measure language was written by a citizen’s front group funded by the 49ers (reads like it was written by a high-priced attorney). The whole thing was not written to be objective. It was written to sound like an advertisement for a stadium.
Atlanta – if you want to see what you’re in for, see the santaclaraplaysfair dot org website. Look at the timeline of how we were treated and lied to. At least in Atlanta it seems that you have one reporter who will tell the truth. We don’t have any here, nor any newspapers willing to report on what’s really happened here with the stadium issue.

tripledart

April 28th, 2012
10:42 am

Hell no we don”t need a a new stadium.If the Jew wants one let his chicken soup eating ass pay for it.
I have a lot of Jewish friends and they all say that he gives them all a bad name.Any Mayor Reed backing it what the helL WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR 80 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF SNOW PLOWS FROM YEAR BEFORE LAST BLIZZARDS JUST BECAUSE MARTA COULD NOT RUN.
By the way crime was at a all low that week.

YELLOW BRITCHES

April 28th, 2012
4:56 pm

Look, I am no socialist but it is crap like this that results in the 1% owning 35% of the wealth in this country. The City of Atlanta is using its taxing power to enrich a private citizen. I don’t care how much of a Falcons fan Mayor Reed is, this stuff is wrong and should be stopped.

bob

April 29th, 2012
1:54 am

Wasnt the dome built for the olympic bids in mind with the falcons an afterthought? Doesnt surprise me the building is less than perfect for the team since the deals the Smiths made were completely idiotic.

Mike Franklin

April 29th, 2012
7:44 am

Wanna build a new stadium and make it fun to go to? Move it out of downtown. Go west… like to someplace around Douglasville or even Villa Rica. Lots of space for new hotels and tailgating… less crime, less congestion. King Arthur might even tempt some new fans for the Falcs by making it closer to Birmingham. Them folks will probably never get an NFL franchise.

savannadawg

April 29th, 2012
10:13 am

I haven’t read all of these posts and someone has probably already mentioned this. SELL BONDS, with a guaranteed (minimum 4% payback) at the end of 10 years. Its a win win situation. Damn I’m brilliant.

savannadawg

April 29th, 2012
11:11 am

Wait. Lets re-examine this whole concept. Retractible “roof” really. BS. One, that is a waste of money. The stadium should be an open air venue. To save money it should start off as a “bowl” stadium. Dig out the bowl deep enough to at least accommodate the first 50,000 patrons and then go up from there ending up with an 85,000 seat beautiful palace that would be very stable and suitable for many venues. This type of stadium could also be added on too later to increase capacity or other entertainment needs. Now. what this thing needs is an outside the box thinker such as myself to get it done. My thought is it could be built for about 3/4 the cost projected now. Hell. People are crying for jobs. Right now is the time to take advantage of the weak market. Get the contracts sighned now at a cost that is more than affordable and make the contractors stick to that price. If it costs them more money sorry. Thats on them.

savannadawg

April 29th, 2012
11:24 am

Oh, by the way, my personal feeling. Football is an outdoor sport so therefore it should not be played indoors. period. Specifically in the south. Football indoors, what a joke!!!

John

April 29th, 2012
11:28 am

While not surprised at the ‘why does a billionaire not pay for his/her own stadium’ – the lack of actual knowledge regarding the business that is the NFL -and business in general – reveals the complete lack of awareness of the typical fan – and the ironic sense of entitlement felt by most fans about their teams.

-All states/cities/municipalities provide incentive packages for business in the form of tax cuts, agreed upon improvements etc.. recently, see Kia, Caterpillar (Athens), and Baxter.

This is done for 3 primary reasons:
1 – To provide an appealing operating environment for the business.
2 – To build a job base – which increases the general tax basis for the city/state etc..
3 – To provide a civic identity and build a market for other (generally small) businesses which leads to an increased willingness for fans/citizens to spend money – impacting the sales tax revenue.

You can argue the amount that should be contributed all day long. You can argue that they ‘already have a perfectly good building – ignoring the fact you foregoing revenue is a business cost. Don’t think LA would love to have the Falcons as a franchise? You don’t think that’s a more lucrative opportunity?? Trying to make the argument of -take your stadium and shove it, taxpayers shouldn’t pay one red-cent?? Just demonstrates a silly naivete about the economic reality of today’s sports.

Think not – ask those vendors and Phillips stadium workers who have seen their income impacted by the Thrashers leaving. And I’m sure Minneapolis-St.Paul will be a lot better off without the Vikings.

todd

April 29th, 2012
4:40 pm

Mr. Blank wants to have a major league soccer team in ATL thats the reason for open air or retractable roof stadium.

usbummer

April 29th, 2012
11:35 pm

Larry – what an incredibly stupid comment.

Brandon

April 30th, 2012
4:07 am

Jeff, while i respect your opinion in this I will disagree with you. Reason 1: This stadium, just like the Georgia Dome, will be primarily owned by the GWCC, which is the organization that profits off of the concerts, the Monster truck shows, the final Four’s, the SEC championship, the Chick-fil-A bowl and kick-off games, and all the other things that they do there. Reason 2: Let’s stop to think about how much money the Falcons bring into the city’s economy. All of the buisness owners, and hotel’s, and other places of buisness that provide JOBS for many Atlanta residents, what happens, if worst case, the team moves. You think the GWCC will find it profitable to keep the Georgia Dome operating. And if that happens, then what happens to all of the jobs around Atlanta. Now my personal opinion. I am tired of many people complaaining about this. Think how much worse it could be if the team wasn’t here for Atlanta’s economy. The reason that cities bend to the will of the sport franchises is due to how much money they bring into the economy, and how many JOBS that these franchises provide. Think if we get a new stadium, then as has been shown in the past, the NFL will award Atlanta a superbowl, and think what that does for the economy. Yes there are many problems in Atlanta, and yes they do need to be corrected. But you dont bite the hand that feeds you, and if we continue to say no to Mr. Blank and the Falcons, they WILL move the team to a city that will foot the ENTIRE bill for the stadium, and then how many unemployed citizens will there be.

Dan

April 30th, 2012
8:08 am

Really makes you wonder what the city of ATL could do with and extra $300M…..fix the crumbling bridges…pave the streets….sewer line work….

Casual Observer

April 30th, 2012
8:10 am

I am actually surprised at how many dissenters there are to a new stadium. I personally dislike the Dome – definitely dislike its downtown location and lack of tailgating friendly parking. I guess you folks that oppose a new stadium don’t want to host the Super Bowl ever again. I think there is a large segment of the fan base that will enjoy the open air option on nice weather days and the team can guarantee an ice storm free environment for the Super Bowl. I say look at the larger picture/vision of revenue potential with a new stadium. I just wish they would build it north of the city with a real grass field, but that appears highly unlikely.

Shanny

April 30th, 2012
7:53 pm

Can anyone say PERSONAL SEAT LICENSE??????

Now that would be ashame.

mike

April 30th, 2012
9:11 pm

Nice but the only problem is still the falcons can not win. I don’t get the point of building a new stadium for loserville USA.

mambo

May 1st, 2012
3:58 pm

Put it on West Paces Ferry Rd. and have the Buckhead Life Group do the catering.

beefydolt

May 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

I agree..Arthur Blank..”put up or shut up”!! Why in the hell would you wont to share your revenue with anyone else?

David Granger

May 2nd, 2012
1:58 am

It should be a law that…whenever the taxpayers build a new stadium:
1. Half the luxury skyboxes cannot be sold, but must be reserved for taxpayers every single game.
2. All taxpayers from whatever governmental unit…county, city, metropolitan area, etc.….that pays for the stadium get to register for an attendance list.
3. Names are drawn two weeks before each game, and each person whose name is drawn (and one guest) gets to attend free, and sit in the luxury skybox. Photo ID must be shown, and you can’t swap out with anyone else.
4. After one visit, your name is off the list until every one has had a turn.
5. All costs of catering and open bar is picked up by the team or the stadium authority.