Tech’s lost title might seem unfair but it’s not unexpected
This moment following the ACC title game officially never happened, according to the NCAA. (Johnny Crawford/AJC)
Eight months ago, the NCAA issued a report that suggested Georgia Tech had all the morals and scruples of SMU’s checkbook football program of the 1980s, or Barry Switzer’s outlaws at Oklahoma, and maybe just a dash of Snidely Whiplash.
NCAA investigators labeled Tech’s general counsel an “obstructionist.” They said officials “hindered efforts to get at the truth” and tried to “manipulate” information. They suggested players were tipped off to the investigation and therefore had time to orchestrate phony responses.
The report read like a Grisham novel. Of course, it was about that close to reality – which is to say, it wasn’t. Tech isn’t devious or corrupt. It just screwed up — bad enough to lose a conference championship.
When the Yellow Jackets reached closure with the NCAA on Friday, losing an appeal of their sanctions and therefore the 2009 ACC championship, it wasn’t a surprise. To conclude it’s unfair doesn’t mean it’s not deserved. It doesn’t mean school president G.P. “Bud” Peterson, athletic director Dan Radakovich or coach Paul Johnson are felons or Ponzi schemers. It doesn’t mean Tech isn’t trying to do things the right way. But this could’ve been avoided. They screwed up.
Tech’s since-retired general counsel, Randy Nordin, and since-departed compliance director, Paul Parker, gave poor advice. If you believe the NCAA, they also treated the investigator like a slop-covered pig walking on new white carpeting.
Did the NCAA’s punishment (forfeiture of the ACC title) fit the crime (one actually never was proved)? No. There never was a paper trail, a thumb print or a public statement from anybody that said former players Morgan Burnett or Demaryius Thomas had received improper benefits. So Tech felt comfortable playing them in the final three games of the 2009 season (Georgia, Clemson for the ACC title, Iowa in the Orange Bowl).
G.P. "Bud" Peterson has disputed NCAA's findings but admitted he and Dan Radakovich probably should've responded differently.
But NCAA investigators believed Tech impeded the process, preventing them from getting to the truth. Whether that’s accurate or not — and Tech officials vehemently deny it, debating with the Committee on Infractions for 12 hours in April — this much seems certain: The Jackets would still be 2009 conference champs had they not played Thomas and possibly Burnett against Georgia. Thomas had received $312 worth of new clothes from a party the NCAA suspected was an agent (Thomas said they came from his cousin’s roommate. He never wore the clothes, and when he brought them to school in a bag to show officials, the sales tags were still on.)
Here’s where hindsight leaves the Jackets doubled over.
Had Tech followed the logical process – declared Thomas and Burnett ineligible, then filed for reinstatement – the NCAA probably would’ve suspended them for one game (Georgia) and forced Thomas to supply $312 payment for the clothes. The infractions would’ve been viewed as minor. Both players probably would’ve been reinstated for the ACC title game against Clemson. Instead, the NCAA ruled that Tech violated policy by playing an ineligible player in three games.
Two of those games (Georgia, Iowa) were losses, but the other was the biggest win of Johnson’s tenure.
Back in July, the Georgia Tech coach ripped the NCAA for their actions. He said probably what every player and fan thought: “The NCAA can’t take away the memories or what happened on the field.” Later, he added, “I’ve been in this business a long time. You see all the things that are going on in college sports today, and you get slammed for this? I mean, come on now.”
He was right, of course. This wasn’t a case of academic fraud or a sports program run amok. It’s all kind of weird. Tech realized overturning the sanctions on appeal was a long shot, but as Peterson said in a statement, he felt he had to “defend the integrity of Georgia Tech.”
Integrity is intact. But Peterson has admitted that, in retrospect, Tech should’ve brought in more experienced advisers from the outset and responded differently. A few bad decisions cost them, and as a result there’s one less trophy in the case in the Edge Athletics Center.
Some lessons are more painful than others.
By Jeff Schultz
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174 comments Add your comment
Sonny Clusters
March 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
Lost but not forgotten.
Big Ol Stinger
March 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
Yup, what Tech did was way worse than Ohio State, Miami, and North Carolina.
What a joke the NCAA has become. What are they supposed to do again?
rusty
March 9th, 2012
2:54 pm
The NCAA is as corrupt as every athletic program in the NCAA. Who cares what the NCAA thinks.
LawDawg
March 9th, 2012
2:59 pm
Meanwhile…GT fans will continue to accuse the Dogs of being “thugs” (because apparently engineers are not required to learn what words mean) over on the UGA boards while they are the only one of the two giving up a conference title for cheating.
Have fun with CPJ and the triple option the next year or two without the last guy’s recruits.
Herschel Talker
March 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
Schultzie:
Who cares? Tech is irrelevant except if you want to learn how to best use a compass and protractor or if you want to perfect your technique with a samurai sword or if you want to learn how to make moo goo gai pan.
HT
Bravesfan79
March 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
All true GT fans will remember we were champs that year regardless! The NCAA is a joke, starting with the corrupt BCS! If the way the national champ is determined is a joke, does that mean the entire sport of college football is a joke?? College Football will never be among the big boys of pro sports until they get a playoff system.
JB
March 9th, 2012
3:03 pm
THE key here was the treatment of the NCAA investigator at the Tech Campus. Piss off a cop, you’ll get a ticket. A judge, you’ll spend the night in jail. A NCAA dude, you’ll get the book thrown at you. Fair? No. But, the article is spot on.
Highlands
March 9th, 2012
3:04 pm
Don’t hurt yourselves coming down from that high horse, Yellow Jackets! You clearly can’t beat Georgia anymore on the field (and may never again), you no longer have your supposed “moral highground”, basketall team just absolutely stunk up the conference tourney last night…sucks to be you, I guess. Nothing new there, though, right?
Nothing right on North Ave
March 9th, 2012
3:06 pm
They’ve added Keith Brooking’s fraudulent loan cover ups to the list of Tech charges!
GTBob
March 9th, 2012
3:07 pm
sucks to be you, I guess. Nothing new there, though, right?
Please tell us about all of the positive aspects of UGA athletics right now. What exactly are you guys good at besides getting arrested?
ConeDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:08 pm
Jeff, why are you reluctant to admit the obvious? PJ is an arrogant jerk and the NCAA gave him his comeuppance.
GTBob
March 9th, 2012
3:09 pm
On topic. Yeah, we made our own bed here and i’m ok with the punishment. Although I do still think the NCAA is the most corrupt organization in the US today. DRad should either be fired or put on a very short leash from this moment on.
UGABugKiller
March 9th, 2012
3:10 pm
Couldn’t have happened to a more arrogant, humongous a-hole (Johnson), or a more pathetic group of fans suffering from little brother syndrome.
Hey, Paulie, you might “remember that it happened,” but in every book that will come out, in every wiki entry, on every website, and in actuality… it NEVER HAPPENED. It never happened because you and D-Rad are a couple of arrogant SOBs who thought you were to clever and too cool for school (the NCAA).
As someone else pointed out earlier, enjoy the next few seasons, Bugs, as Johnson continues to flounder with HIS recruits, not Chan’s.
And BTW, I thought Georgia and South Carolina shared the ACC Title in 2009 anyway?
Nothing right on North Ave
March 9th, 2012
3:11 pm
Yahoo Sports is becoming the place to find the good investigative sports journalism nowadays.
They suck on every other bit of news, but sports investigations, they’re right on.
Auburn scandal, Keith Brooking’s lies, etc.
They uncover the news while others report on what yahoo finds out.
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:15 pm
I don’t want to bash tech because of course they earned that title but this is a prime example of the arrogance and sense of entitlement that is pervasive in their fan base with a few notable exceptions. If they had just cooperated fully with the investigator like almost every other program in the country would have, the impact would have been miniscule and forgotten long ago. The NCAA wasn’t buying the holier than thou attitude that tech was shoveling and they paid a dear price for it. I abhor the NCAA as much as the next guy but just read Paul Johnson’s comments on pretty much any topic, they’re indicative of the tech culture that created this fiasco.
The obvious is easy, find the not so obvious.
March 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
They also were first to report about the Miami scandal, I believe.
Some sports journalists are starting to get really lazy in their reporting and need to get back to the basics of journalism school.
GTBob
March 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
Im not sure even if we cooperated that we were not going to get an overly harsh penalty. The NCAA was pretty mad at Ohio State and Miami so they had to take it out on someone.
Ghost
March 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
Happening while still on probation couldn’t have helped. Bob I agree with you Drad should be looked at closely.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
Did any one of you dolts bother to read the report?
Division II coach can't play with the big boys on a regular basis
March 9th, 2012
3:20 pm
Paul Johnson will be gone within 3 years.
SWGADAWG
March 9th, 2012
3:21 pm
Always been told….when you are breaking the law, don’t break the law. A little thing becomes a big thing because you do something stupid. Personally, it seems the NCAA always majors in the minors. One player wants 180,000 he’s okay….another gets $312 or sells a $1000 jersey and gets punished. Yeah, that makes a world of sense.
GT Yellow belly cheaters
March 9th, 2012
3:21 pm
Bobby Ross still alive?
GTBob
March 9th, 2012
3:22 pm
Did any one of you dolts bother to read the report?
No, they all think we got the punishment because CPJ was rude to someone.
GT Yellow belly cheaters
March 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
How’d their basketball team do this year?
Dolt
March 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
Yep, it’s right here. Says that tech got put in its place and had it coming.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
I’d be curious to see where it says that, Dolt. Can you provide a citation?
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
It’s not the rudeness per se but the failure to cooperate with investigator instructions not to discuss the case with the coaching staff or players prior to the investigator’s interviews. Tech felt they didn’t need to follow directions and they created an atmosphere where there was an appearance of impropriety whether it was real or not. Failure of leadership.
Steve
March 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
Yea UGA has nothing going for them. Only a top 10 preseason ranking coming up in 2012.
it's over
March 9th, 2012
3:28 pm
They didn’t Engineer their response to the ncaa very well!
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
That’s correct, GeoffDawg.
From a logical perspective, I’m interested to know how it would have been possible to sit Burnett and Thomas without the head coach knowing.
rest of the acc tournament
March 9th, 2012
3:36 pm
Go be nice hosts and watch all the other acc teams play b-ball in your back yard.
Hey Radakovich, Get me a ham sandwich and a beer while your up.
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:36 pm
I don’t remember the timeline of when the investigator planned on interviewing the players but as AJ Green learned to his detriment, it’s not always when it’s most convenient for their team’s success. I don’t think the AD even needs to give Paul Johnson a reason for sitting them since he has the authority to make those types of unilateral decisions. It might tick off the coach but sometimes being the boss means you have to make the tough calls.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:38 pm
That’s not the issue, GeoffDawg. The issue is that it’s impossible for the players to be told to sit without the coach knowing but the NCAA said not to tell the coach. I can’t square the two.
GT Fan
March 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
GT Yellow Belly cheaters…our team had a rough year..but ironically beat the Dawgs in Athens…funny how that works…seen any drunk TEs driving around lately?
Woof, Woof
March 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
Is tech good at anything besides cheating anymore?
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
It’s also worth pointing out that the President and AD failed to recognize the seriousness of the situation by relying on their woefully unprepared internal counsel. Another mark of good leadership is knowing when you’re in over your head and a willingness to seek out someone with the appropriate experience and expertise.
GT Yellow belly cheaters
March 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
GT Fan…..I was wondering how long one of you nerds would get to that.
Well, the dogs are still playing. How’d your game go last night?
GT Yellow belly cheaters
March 9th, 2012
3:44 pm
GT Fan, playing your tournament in Atlanta….so much for your home court advantage.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
Fair point, Geoff.
But I still can’t understand penalizing Tech for violating the directive from the NCAA not to tell the head coach that there was a pending investigation when the only way to comply was to sit the players.
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
As the AD, you can direct the coach to sit the players without disclosing that it’s for possible NCAA violations. Even if you can make an educated guess as to the reason, you’re complying with the directive and demonstrating cooperation with the investigator. Most everyone has a boss of some sort and it’s not a foreign concept to be directed to do something that’s counterintuitive without an immediate explanation. Long story short, it’s need to know and PJ didn’t need to know.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:48 pm
We got the crap kicked out of us, Yellow belly.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Well, he knows it won’t be grades because of the timing and a criminal violation would be public knowledge. I can think no other reason to sit a player.
Ralph Freidgen
March 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
I’m flying a Georgia Tech flag right now.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
3:53 pm
I would also disagree that he didn’t need to know, but reasonable minds can disagree on that point.
It seems to me, though, that part of Johnson’s performance is measured by the result of that game. Telling him he won’t have two of his best players would likely merit some kind of explanation.
Megan
March 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Penn State “We probably should have responded differently” GA Tech “We probably should have responded differently.” While the magnitude of both is eons apart, its time that all schools start responding differently!
Ron
March 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
If I was Tech, I would make a duplicate trophy and put it in the case. Screw the NCAA.
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
3:58 pm
There could be other reasons I suppose like a failed drug test perhaps or maybe allegations of academic fraud. I don’t recall the details of the original report exactly but didn’t DRad not only tell PJ about the investigation but also gave him the specifics of it? Even if you disclose that they have to sit for unresolved NCAA issues without giving them the nature of the investigation, then you at least limit the ability of the coach to potentially coach or direct the players in how they should respond to their interview questions.
BG
March 9th, 2012
3:58 pm
Cheaters!!
and
March 9th, 2012
4:03 pm
when this first came out out Jeff you ripped GT in the newspaper before you knew what the facts were. Upon learning the facts, you then stated in your column that we now find out GT didn’t really do much of anything..oh but now here we go, they are criminals again. Which is it?
Jim Allen
March 9th, 2012
4:07 pm
What really happened is that Tech got bad advice from counsel. Attorneys often take whatever tack they think their client wants and, this time, they took the tack of playing a dangerous game with the NCAA. Tech should have made it clear that it wanted the truth to be found and should have cooperated, instead of handling it as they did. A defensive client and a poor attorney are a bad combination.
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
4:07 pm
I don’t think whether or not he truly deserved to know is pertinent to his accountabilities as a football coach. Coaches lose players all the time for various reasons and their responsibility as the leader of the team is to figure out how to win without them. It would likely be frustrating not to be told, but that wouldn’t affect his approach to game preparation anymore than if they were lost to injury. Giving him reasonable notice that they’re not going to be available would only be fair but part of the job is to avoid distractions and focus on the task at hand.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
4:14 pm
If it was for a failed drug test (which member schools aren’t even required to have) or an incident of academic fraud, I can think of no reason for Radakovich not to tell Johnson.
The report stated that Johnson wasn’t aware of the non-disclosure part of the NCAA directive (p. 9 of the NCAA report). I think a reasonable person would have, under those circumstances, asked the player what happened.
lanier
March 9th, 2012
4:17 pm
I’m impressed. Herschel can spell compass. Way to go dawg
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
4:21 pm
For sure, I wouldn’t place the blame on Johnson. If not directed otherwise, any reasonable person would’ve inquired further with their players when apprised of the situation. The failure was with Radakovich for not explicitly making the NCAA compliance requirements clear for his coach. If he did tell Johnson to not discuss it with his players and he did so anyway, that would constitute blatant insubordination and would be a firable offense with cause.
ncaa knuckleheads
March 9th, 2012
4:21 pm
A reasonable person is very rare in today’s word.
ncaa knuckleheads
March 9th, 2012
4:22 pm
WORLD.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
4:22 pm
Agreed, GeoffDawg.
Unamerican Activities Committee
March 9th, 2012
4:25 pm
The nc double a needs to be investigated.
George Stein
March 9th, 2012
4:28 pm
The players need to form a union, Unamerican Activities, and get paid.
I mean, who the hell cares whether a player got $312 worth of clothes (Tech) or a bunch of strippers, hookers, and booze (Miami). Would it bother anyone if Aaron Murray started doing ads for Athens Chevrolet?
deuce coupe
March 9th, 2012
4:28 pm
We can give the 2009 team
an even bigger trophy for going 11-3 on the field.
It had been a damn long time coming.
a reasonable person
March 9th, 2012
4:30 pm
On the field is all that really counts.
bulldogbubba
March 9th, 2012
4:43 pm
Its all about who has the money and power.The NCAA has both right or wrong.They seek and destroy. At the same time don’t get caught!!!!GO DOGS
BUZZ 2011
March 9th, 2012
4:44 pm
Might seem unfair? There is no might to it Schultz and you are aware of same!!!
wes
March 9th, 2012
4:45 pm
What a great use of the NCAA’s resources.
Geeze.
Tech Fan Since 1950
March 9th, 2012
4:54 pm
Tech messed up. It hurts. Schultz is on target and presents a good article of bad news. I hate it for the guys who did everything right on the field and off and for the fans. I hope the Tech administration has really (I mean REALLY) learned from this episode. It is always better to be open, transparent and to follow the rules….no matter what. Tech is a great school (more than the general public will ever know) with generally great integrity, but this case is now closed and it is time to move on. Go Jackets!
wolfman
March 9th, 2012
4:58 pm
The NCAA is a joke. Let’s see what happens to Miami!
GT
March 9th, 2012
5:06 pm
The other side of that is what have you stopped here. The NCAA has endorsed what? You don’t act a certain way and we will ignore your violations, which apparently is the pro quo in major college football. I think it is so overwhelmingly obvious that Tech does not take advantage of the rules and other colleges do, to the pleasure of their fans and local press. I venture here to say if the NCAA had an entire roster of schools named Ga. Tech they wouldn’t really need a NCAA. Maybe that is why they came down on them so hard, they are scared this academic athletic program might catch on other places. Hell Harvard is already started to make some noise. Can you put a team on probation that doesn’t even give scholarships. Could you imagine these idiots showing up in Cambridge and trying to investigate something like this?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
To those of you saying that DRad could have suspended the players without telling Johnson, imagine this scenario —
UGA AD to CMR — Coach, I have suspended A J Green for the Tech game
CMR to UGA AD — OK, boss, whatever you say.
Now do any of you dawgs really think something like that could have EVER played out like that? If you say you do, then you’re either fools or liars.
UGADawg83
March 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
Resumegate
Poor acdemic oversight leads to mass ineligibilities
Lost championships
How does on say “lack of institutional control.”
Before my Tech counterparts mention Damon Evans, jerseys, arrests, or hash browns the issues at Georgia are basically failures of individuals. The issues at Tech are a failure of the insitution.
UGADawg83
March 9th, 2012
5:12 pm
Excuse me, How does ONE say “lack of institutional control.”
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
5:16 pm
UGADawg83, that is about as stupid a comment as I have read. The individuals ARE the institution; they are part of the whole. And what they do is symptomatic of the atmosphere propagated by the leaders of the institution. If the institution, whatever it is (and I am not just limiting this to UGA) does not DEMAND excellence in EVERYTHING, then they will end up having an institution composed of inividuals who think they can do things their way, and the institution be damned. What happened at Tech, as ridiculous as it is, paints Tech as a whole in a bad light. The individuals at UGA who have screwed up paints UGA as a whole in a bad light too.
RecentWreck
March 9th, 2012
5:20 pm
At the end of the day, regardless of how you feel about Coach Johnson’s or Director Radakovich’s personalities/competencies, the NCAA should not be in the business of sanctioning hubris. The fact that they would take something away from the student athletes (the very people they are SUPPOSED to advocate for) that earned it on an otherwise meager and feeble charge because they were unable to find what they’re looking for is ridiculous…albeit what we’ve come to expect from the NCAA.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
5:21 pm
UGADawg83, that post was absurd. The institution, no matter what institution it is, is the sum of all who are a part of it. Unless the institution DEMANDS excellence in EVERYTHING, then the individuals have the opportunity to do what they want, regardless of whom it may affect. Tech is suffering AS AN INSTITUTION because of the mistakes made at the top, UGA is suffering AS AN INSTITUTION because of the behavior (often illegal) of a few individuals. If you lie down with dogs (no puns intended here), you wake up with fleas, and UGA has a lot of fleas now because they are willing to accept individuals who couldn’t care less about the institution and whose behavior proves it.
GT
March 9th, 2012
5:29 pm
Excuse me, UGADawg83, I think it is said something like “I don’t know who those red pansies belong to officer” and if that was a Tech AD he would be telling the truth.
YellowJacket
March 9th, 2012
5:38 pm
Screw the NCAA and the Dawgs. It’ll make a nice threesome.
Really though, nobody from Tech gives a crap about the NCAA wannabes.
Jacket Man
March 9th, 2012
5:40 pm
DRad and GA Tech’s Coaches were following the advice of their attorneys, therefore they were not abusing their authority or intentionally interfering with the investigation. Anyone saying otherwise doesn’t understand the legal system and the NCAA is abusing their authority and needs policing in their own right. Without having any authority monitoring the NCAA to enforce that they are acting even-handedly with all members and students within those members.
It’s high time either the Congress or the Court system intervene and put a leash on this out of control “organization”.
GT
March 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
Red panties, chain gangs, smacking women, cheating on examines,selling stuff, stealing stuff, snoring stuff, but when it comes to violating the NCAA rules that is one line those Dawgs just won’t cross.
Alabama Jack
March 9th, 2012
5:46 pm
Dawgs suck and so do their fans who post on Tech blogs.
GT
March 9th, 2012
5:47 pm
Tell it Tide!
Mayor Reed
March 9th, 2012
5:52 pm
I’m saddened deeply today. Tech really helps our economy here in Atlanta. Not near as much as a Hip Hop concert, but helps.
Atlantan
March 9th, 2012
5:55 pm
NCAA is a joke and an embarrassment to college sports. They state they are all about the amateur athlete, but aren’t willing to share a dollar with the ones making all the revenue.
Their arbitrary decisions of punishment are ridiculous.
Albert
March 9th, 2012
6:16 pm
It could not have happened to a more deserving bunch.
Vulture
March 9th, 2012
6:23 pm
DWAG fans sure are having a good time.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
6:35 pm
I love the little swipe Shultz took at UGA in mentioning the Ponzi scheme. Of course, it probably went right over the heads of the dwags who read it.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
March 9th, 2012
6:47 pm
supersize, i would argue with you when it comes to UGA & CMR. Richt is strict, suspends players left & right, including a whole backfield of RBs, Commings Jr for next year and AJ Green. While I think the NCAA is a bunch of BS with their rulings all over the map, Richt has never tried to outmaneuver them. Oh by the fan GT Fan, its panties, not pansies…makes me wonder.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
7:04 pm
@ Dr. Kenneth, I don’t disagree with what you said, but the fact is that some of those players were problem children before they signed on at UGA, and yet you went after them anyway. And others who might have been ok prior to coming to UGA are quite possibly not receiving enough pre-infraction disciplinary “training” to prevent them from causing CMR to discipline them later. Regardless, the point I was trying to make is that the entire institution is held accountable for the actions of individual members of the institution. I posted that in response to the ignorant post made by UGADawg83, that at the very least implied that UGA can not and should not be held accountable for the actions of the miscreants. As I said, the ENTIRE institution comes out looking bad when even a few commit indiscretions or crimes.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
7:06 pm
@ Dr Kenneth, GT Fan used the word pansies, because on the Tech blogs, the word panties is filtered. Apparently the Tech blogs are held to different standards than Shultz’s blogs. I generally type pan ties, because of that ridiculous act of censorship
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
7:08 pm
@ Dr Kenneth, GT Fan typed the word pansies because the word panties is blocked on the Tech blogs. In fact, I just tried to type this response and it was blocked here too. We’ll see if it goes through this time. I usually type pan ties; GT Fan chose pansies.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
7:09 pm
It got through that time. Maybe I had another objectionable word in my original post. At any rate, it is apparent than the Tech blogs are held to different standards than Schultz’s blogs are. Interesting form of censorship, don’t you think?
LowCountry XPlant
March 9th, 2012
7:39 pm
GT loses their trophy, yet Cam Newton’s dad gets paid for him to play at Auburn and they don’t even get their hand slapped. Something is wrong with the system….
GeoffDawg
March 9th, 2012
7:55 pm
Supersize, if you can’t understand how a reporting structure works in a multi-million dollar organization, it’s safe to say that you’ll never have to worry about being employed by one.
Try going in on your next night shift and letting the fry cook manager know that you think he should shove it. We’ll see how fast you’re back scouring the want ads at the dept. of labor.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
8:11 pm
GeoffDawg, your post made absolutely no sense at all. What reporting structure in what multi-million dollar organization are you talking about? And, BTW, bubba, I am comfortably retired from 30+ years in the engineering profession, thank you very much. And it may interest you to know that you paid my salary and are now paying for my pension, since I was employed by a government contractor. Thanks for your contribution. I can assure you that UGA doesn’t get any of it.
steverino
March 9th, 2012
8:30 pm
Re-writing history doen’t change what happened. It’s a meaningless technicality. GT won the game. I saw it. ACC Champions. That is all.
With A Rebel Yell, She Cried:
March 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
NERDS!!! NERDS!!! NERDS!!!
repeat offenders
March 9th, 2012
8:38 pm
Stevirino you are right Tech won , but it doesn’t count because tech cheated, vacating isn’t forfeiting, its as if it never was. Cheating while they were still on probation from the previous infractions, probably didn’t sit very well with NCAA. So now what happens with the cheating that went on with the recently fired coach? More NCAA problems for the repeat offenders?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 9th, 2012
9:20 pm
@ repeat, call it whatever you want to in your petty little mind, but nothing was ever said in the NCAA report or in the appeal denial about cheating. There was NO cheating involved by anyone. Read the reports and clear your muddled little mind
Buzz
March 9th, 2012
9:21 pm
Got DUI? LMAO Nice job Orson, you drunk stupid punk
true
March 9th, 2012
9:25 pm
if in the sec in bball tech goes to the finals against uk
factO
March 9th, 2012
9:27 pm
i know alot of uga grads and none and I mean none of them have what it takes to really create and make it in the business world. Atlanta business is run by Tech Men
simple
March 9th, 2012
10:11 pm
Tech did not say “May I?”
phil
March 9th, 2012
10:14 pm
Blah, blah, blah…..you Tech whiners and apologists make me want to wretch in a plastic CPJ cup….
What a bunch of pathetic losers you guys are, on multiple fronts.
Keep up those lying, cheating, stealing, stinking ways!
Sean
March 9th, 2012
10:20 pm
Wait yellow belly I forgot who won in ball this year even though we had possibly the worst bball season in tech history? You lose the bball argument, move on to something else.
GeorgiaBoner
March 9th, 2012
10:43 pm
Even I can see that “taking” away the title was an overreaction.
The only idiots on here taunting are the idiot UGA sidewalk/no HS Diploma fans.
gtkenz
March 9th, 2012
11:11 pm
Paper money, who cares. Georgia Tech was clearly the best team in the ACC in 2009………….proved it on the field. Beat Clemson twice fair and square. Piss on the NCAA. GT is the Champ and will always be the 2009 ACC Conference Champions in Football. AND BY THE WAY…….PISS ON UGAG AS WELL. THWG!!!!
Delbert D.
March 9th, 2012
11:24 pm
In case you don’t follow Joe Nocera’s editorials on the abuses by the NCAA, here is a quote from a parent, in his Jan. 12th article, “Living in Fear of the N.C.A.A” , on the Ryan Boatright (UConn basketball) case.
““The N.C.A.A. is like the Gestapo,” wrote one parent in an e-mail. “It’s out there, we all fear it, and it is all-powerful and follows its own rules and makes them up as they go along. Who are they protecting? The same thing the Gestapo protected: themselves.”
1 4 GT
March 9th, 2012
11:45 pm
It’s so gratifying to come to the AJC blogs and read the articles and blog comments. There are more Georgie nad kissers here than there are GT buzzers. A couple of them are pretty sane. The rest of them are overwrought with their sick hatred of GT. Otherwise, they wouldn’t spend so much time on the GT blogs. And all this time I thought the AJC had blogs for Georgie too. I see headlines for them, but they must be empty window dressing, just like the leg humpers heads.
GT Grad
March 10th, 2012
12:00 am
Tough news. NCAA is a joke.
fishfrypaul
March 10th, 2012
1:27 am
No. We are a joke.
a reasonable person
March 10th, 2012
2:49 am
I’m
flying a Georgia Tech flag
RIGHT NOW !
bartender
March 10th, 2012
5:48 am
Seems like the mutt lovers would worry more about their own business,like getting their own house in order,,,…..you got Otis charles running around drunk and his B**** ugaqb had to make bail….hahahahahahahah
gtfanfrom1951
March 10th, 2012
6:04 am
fishfrypaul No. We are a joke.
You must be a Dam Yankee because if your were from the south you would know that’s there nothing better southern fried fish just caugh out of the river. True UGA fans know this. NCAA is the joke you lie to them like Ohio State and get a slap on the hand..
furmanuga
March 10th, 2012
6:15 am
Without getting into the blowhard comments. This is a real shame not only for Georgia Tech but for collegiate football in the state of Georgia. Perhaps this was a situation where Tech should have reached out to UGA for advice on how to deal with the NCAA. We have lots of secondary violations that we have found it’s just best to admit it ahead of time and let the NCAA piddle around and give a slap on the wrist. trying to obstruct was just silly and really led to the hammer in the end when it could have been just a very light hand slap. Aside from all the fans who probably never attended either school who run their mouths the loudest. These two institutions should work together off the field.
Gordon
March 10th, 2012
7:02 am
Everyone can pretend that Tech didn’t win the 2009 ACC Championship, but everyone knows they did, and did so without cheating. Tech people know it, Clemson people know it, UGA people know it, Jeff Schultz knows it, and the NCAA knows it. If it makes some people happy to pretend otherwise, be my guest. If Tech had actually cheated, they wouldn’t have a claim (see USC 2005). But they didn’t and they do.
furmanuga
March 10th, 2012
7:08 am
1 4 GT, I would argue that very few of them graduated from UGA. Trust me, I can’t stand the majority of fans of any college team. Yet, I love collegiate sports. Puts me in a tough spot. The NCAA is corrupt as heck. Auburn can buy players, Bama and LSU can greyshirt, of course the rules only apply to schools who don’t bring in the lions share of football revenue.
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
8:16 am
If we had not beat you in 2009, you would’ve had to Vacate it anyway.
NCAA PROBATION
back-to-back
REPEAT OFFENDERS Major NCAA Infractions database
FOOTBALL
again.
You were SPECIFICALLY TOLD by the NCAA to not discuss the NCAA Investigation WITH ANYONE.
Paul Johnson knows the NCAA rules.
Paul Johnson KNEW he could not talk to the players.
Paul Johnson TALKED to the players ANYWAY.
You think you are above the NCAA.
You think you can do whatever you want to do.
It’s just like Reuben Houston when Georgia tek LAST was on
NCAA PROBATION in FOOTBALL.
You played him against Georgia then too, and you played him the whole entire game against us. This after he had already had his interview with the AJ-C admitting with his daughter on his lap that he was taking 93 lbs of drugs in the van to a drug dealer for the purpose of selling the drugs. He jumped out of the van, he reported to the AJ-C on Georgia tek’s CAMPUS, his child on his lap trying to get away from the FBI, GBI, City of Atlanta, Georgia tek Campus, Fulton County, and DEA. 1,500 bags of drugs.
10 March 2012 update : Convicted FELON on the lam MOST WANTED CRIMINALS.
But, boy you played him against us – every minute of the game.
Nativebird
March 10th, 2012
8:36 am
It appears that the entire program leadership has taken on the personilty of its head coach since this @&$)!?()& was hired: an egoistical blinders-wearing cant-see-the-forest-for-the-trees, ability-doesn’t-match-the-mouth, jerk. Been watching football for over 40 years…I’ve never seen a larger gap between self worth arrogance and actual ability in my life. Chan Gaily is looking like a genius.
Gordon
March 10th, 2012
9:10 am
Perhaps Thomas Brown would like to enlighten us on who has more NCAA infractions, Tech or UGA, in both football and basketball? Perhaps he could enlighten us on the nature of the infractions in Tech’s 2 cases vs. UGA’s 4. Or perhaps he could discuss which program was successfully sued for warehousing student athletes, including some from its only national championship team. There is no comparison between the two schools on NCAA violations.
GT09
March 10th, 2012
9:17 am
Got out my ACC 2009 Championship ring this morning. Looks as good today as it did yesterday. Thanks NCAA. Punish 113 players for the action of a couple of administrators.
Dave from GT
March 10th, 2012
9:18 am
Sounds like a lot of you have not recovered from sniffin those red panties !!! Woof Woof !
Tech76
March 10th, 2012
9:40 am
@Thomas Brown…You need to do more research before you mouth off. Rueben Houston was allowed back on the team, because of a court order. Before that he was suspended by the Athletic Dept.
DJ
March 10th, 2012
9:53 am
Come on people…everybody knows that God told Orson Charles to drive drunk the other night. Remember Orson sites God as the reason for all his decisions. Afterall, that’s why he picked Georgia a few years ago.
Oh well, the puppies keep saying that this punishment is perfect considering the arrogance and “little brother syndrome” of Tech fans. Reading all of that makes me wonder who’s obsessed with who? So the team you root for is a middle-of-the-road SEC program…makes you so much more successful in life, doesn’t it? This ACC ttile didn’t improve my lot in life, although I had a blast attending it and celebrating it, but shockingly today I feel no different about things than I did before. OH THE ARROGANCE.
Old Gold Britches
March 10th, 2012
9:57 am
It is hard to believe Peterson and Radakovich made this big of a mistake. It is just as unbelieveable that legel advisers let them go down the path they took. Apparently the blind leading the blind.
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
10:05 am
“If you believe the NCAA, they also treated the investigator like a slop-covered pig walking on new white carpeting.”
Great line, Jeff. But I don’t think that was slop covering the pig.
Back when the story first broke, I remember reading about the investigator possibly having an ax to grind or some sort of conflict of interest. Does anyone remember the details on that?
What are the details on the investigator? Is he some young enforcement officer who is trying to “make his bones” on Georgia Tech like a young mafia hit man?
Maybe Nebraska deserves the death penalty for buying books for athletes. No wait, they generate alot of revenue and are just so gosh darn friendly and helpful. Nevermind.
Gorilla Biscuit
March 10th, 2012
10:12 am
Bet ya’ll are wondering what that nasty taste in your mouth is about now.
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
10:14 am
Coffee?
student athlete
March 10th, 2012
10:20 am
The players should seek council on possibly suing Rad, Johnson, Peterson, and the GTAA, its very clear they were negligent in managing the initial situation, they then responded with the same arrogance to the NCAA that has been exhibited numerous time to GT fans and Atlanta media.
The Student Athletes lost a trophy earned with Blood, Sweat, Pain, Dedication, Loyalty, Commitment; a badge of honor for life to be recognized and appreciated by the alumni for generations.
The hired hands (Johnson and Rad) ride off with the money, the players get dicked!!!!!
Tech Faithful
March 10th, 2012
10:31 am
No, DRad is the main culprit here. He was told what to do by the NCAA and he didn’t do it. He impeded the investigation, as did CPJ by passing on the information to players, DUH! DRad has overstayed his welcome, and it is time for him to go, Bud. As for CPJ – probation at best.
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
10:33 am
Maybe we need a Gold Standard for dealing with the NCAA.
gt4ever
March 10th, 2012
10:35 am
One again we find out how incompetent the NCAA has become…. We also find out how political the NCAA has become… There is such a double standard when administering punishment, it makes me want to puke!
gt4ever
March 10th, 2012
10:37 am
and our noodle neck administration doesn’t help! Peterson needs to grow a pair…..
Jenkins
March 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Arrogance gets you nowhere. The administrators took the same mentality the fan base does. “We are a better academic instution that all the other big athletic programs around us. They wouldn’t dare touch us”. You got what you deserved. It could have just been a hand slap but turned into so much more.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
11:31 am
I don’t see where any of you ignoramuses are coming up with the idea that Johnson is at fault in this case. It was DRAD who did what he was supposedly not allowed to do. Johnson wasn’t even involved at that point and was not until DRAD told him what was going on.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
11:34 am
Jenkins, I hate to tell you, bubba, but the most arrogant fan base in the south belongs to UGA. You think every year you are the best in the country, but you haven’t even been the best in the SEC in more than 5 years.
captguitarman
March 10th, 2012
11:36 am
Since the Puppies and the “bumble” Bees have decided to use this news and this blog to have an always entertaining skirmish (who are the true southerners because they know about about fresh fried cat fish straight out of the river, and who is not because they don’t, and other such nonsense) the bigger issue is kind of getting lost here. Did Tech screw up? Sounds like it. Did they deserve to lose the ACC title because of it — absolutely not. This is all about NCAA arrogance and control, and an all powerful organization carrying out as many executions as it can before the enemy (the indentured servants who play the games) finally breech the gates. They hear the foot steps, the court cases in progress, and it makes them edgy and irritable. And no better way to demonstrate your power in a big showy way than using an elephant gun to kill a fly. The NCAA did this for the same reason a dog licks his own private parts –because they could. Happily that day may be coming to an end.
This problem stems from the same old problem that the NCAA deals with that effects all major, big time college sports — and if you look at the current state of things in the big picture — you begin to undersand how ineffective the NCAA is becoming. Taking a title for something like this (because Tech complained publicly, didn’t properly genuflect and kiss the investigator’s ring, and did not engage in the acceptable (wink, wink) charade of sitting the players down, so they could be ceremoniously and magnanimously forgiven and reinstated by the omnipotent NCAA) is silly and ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it.
The root of this problem is the legal indentured servitude and the myth of the student athlete in big time college sports, which the NCAA is determined to defend until its dying breath – and it may get its wish. All of this controversy, titles taken away, schools ineleigible to compete for titles, players being sat down based on gossip and conjecture (Cam Newton, for example), decisions being made that effect games, titles, bowl games, player’s careers — over what? Peanuts in the big picture. Peanuts! Less than peanuts, if you get down to it. $312 worth of clothes that were never worn? Are you kidding me? It costs twice that or more for one ticket to a big rivalry game. Unfortunately, all of the silliness on these pages just doesn’t get to the point.
These players bring in millions/billions of dollars for the schools they play for, and they get a free college education for their efforts. Is that a valuable thing? Of course it is, for the few who actually graduate. But these kids are brought in not because they are great students, they are brought in to play football and basketball, and once they do that successfully, whether they graduate or not is in most cases not a concern. This system brings in untold wealth for schools, college adminstratiors, coaches, TV networks, athletic equipment suppliers, journalists, businesses of all types and yes, the NCAA executives and enforcers. There is a federal case pending now that may ultimately change the system and require that the indentured servants get paid for the real value they are creating. Meanwhile the NCAA will do whatever it can do to keep this golden goose alive and laying golden eggs for the schools, adminsitrators, coaches, etc. that it truly serves.
GTSteve
March 10th, 2012
11:43 am
YOU had a soccer player steal hash browns….from that point forward, your argument is invalid!!
GO AWAY
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
11:45 am
GTSteve, and now they have the might Orson Charles arrested for DUI. The cesspool of the south is a black hole of garbage
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
11:46 am
While S Hill is working his butt off trying to prove his worth to the NFL, Charles is out carousing and getting drunk. Which one would you rather have on your team?
GTSteve
March 10th, 2012
11:47 am
What is funny to me is that…their AD was caught with a prostitute, and they still think they run a class program……and they think CPJ is arrogant…..they are blind and ignorant
GTSteve
March 10th, 2012
11:48 am
I might change my screen name to “Would you like hash browns with that”
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
11:53 am
GTSteve, that would imply that you are the server, so that won’t do. How about “Give me hash browns with that” instead. However, since the hashbrowns might have been down the server’s pants, I don’t think you want any. LOL
GTSteve
March 10th, 2012
12:00 pm
Good point buddy
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
12:04 pm
always here to help, Steve. lol
Fred
March 10th, 2012
12:13 pm
The NCAA has LOST control. The colleges, the college presidents, and the NCAA have all lost control of college athletics. With no control over the important things, the NCAA is reduced to enforcing technical violations–or “almost violations.”
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
12:36 pm
How about Thomas “Hash” Brown? He’s as bad a WnE if they are not the same person.
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
12:36 pm
bad as. my bad.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
HT, there is no doubt that Thomas Brown is a damn fool
Gt fan
March 10th, 2012
1:03 pm
To George Stein & Geoffdawg from earlier on this blog ….
Could it be possible that the NCAA investigator in 2009, who we all know was a former UNC player, knew that $312 in clothes was not going to get GT in trouble so he had to find a way to make something stick?
Could it be that maybe he has a personal vendetta against GT or that he wanted to move the microscope from UNC to GT?
So he comes up with “Don’t tell your HC, but we (NCAA) are going need 2 of his best players to sit out some games while we conduct an investigation” all the while knowing the AD is going to inform the HC. THUS, the NCAA is now armed with a “they didn’t obey our order to NOT say a word to anyone, especially the HC” defense.
Now, let’s put this same logic to work for UGA and the AJ Green jersey thing. The NCAA comes in and tells the AD sit one of the team’s best players while they investigate/interview, and he [AD] cannot tell anyone, especially the HC, why. Really?
Buttsmehre
March 10th, 2012
2:55 pm
It’s just an ACC title. Does it really matter?
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
3:09 pm
Sounds like a trap, Gt fan.
HighTech
March 10th, 2012
3:23 pm
Herschel Talker
March 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
Schultzie:
Who cares? Tech is irrelevant except if you want to learn how to best use a compass and protractor or if you want to perfect your technique with a samurai sword or if you want to learn how to make moo goo gai pan.
HT
———————————————
It’s funny the amount of interest Dawg fans have in GT’s football program. You know, with our being irrelevant and all.
Buttsmehre
March 10th, 2012
3:30 pm
There’s a clear distinction between what’s relevant and what’s amusing.
Jenkins
March 10th, 2012
4:30 pm
good point Buttsmehre. Winning the ACC is kind of like a middle school team winning a city championship. Nothing really lost in the end. So Tech got off kind of easy really.
Golden Tornado
March 10th, 2012
5:40 pm
Enter your comments here
UGAgrad71
March 10th, 2012
5:41 pm
The bugs got stomped, love ir, lol!
italian_29
March 10th, 2012
5:45 pm
It doesn’t matter what the NCAA says, you guys won the title on the field. They are a bunch of money hungry crooks anyway, who cares if they rejected the appeal. GO DAWGS & GATA!
UGAgrad71
March 10th, 2012
5:51 pm
Oh my the bugs are mad today. music to my ears.
DJ
March 10th, 2012
5:57 pm
UGAgrad71, the year would imply that you qualify as an “elder” in most circles. Son, don’t be a jacka$$ that late in life.
killerj
March 10th, 2012
7:26 pm
Had A Good Time In Tampa!,Note To ACC,Doubt I Will Ever Go To Charlotte,Wrong Side Of The Mountain.Roll Wreck,Like Always, “To Hell With Georgia”,Alias The Thugs……4 to 1 Baby!
Hash Browns
March 10th, 2012
8:57 pm
Honestly, I’m not worried about anything UGA does wrong. But I would like to know when Radakovich is going to hand in his resignation — or if he lacks the integrity to do that, when Peterson is going to fire him. He ignored the simple instruction not to discuss the situation with anyone within seconds of when he was notified of how it had to be handled. His simple arrogance and inability to listen is why Tech ultimately received this punishment.
student athlete
March 10th, 2012
9:14 pm
@captguitarman: Hear, Hear!!!!!
Not to mention the physical and mental abuse coaches and administrators can get away with because “its football” the NCAA allows players to be victims of “assault and battery” while guarding that “golden goose” with a battalion of lawyers making millions on the backs of these kids. Knowing your opponent will knock you out is one thing, keeping an eye over your shoulder watching out for a coach to take a sucker punch is just wrong, but hey there “STUDENT ATHLETES” they have no rights!
HYPOCRISY of biblical proportions.
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:35 pm
GT09 March 10th, 2012 9:17 am
“Got out my ACC 2009 Championship ring this morning. Looks as good today as it did yesterday. Thanks NCAA. Punish 113 players for the action of a couple of administrators.”
_________________________________________________________
Yes, back-to-back repeat offenders NCAA PROBATION in FOOTBALL because the NCAA told Georgia tek that it could not discuss the investigation, and then Paul Johnson met with the players and discussed it with them.
Georgia tek thinks it can do whatever it wants.
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:37 pm
Tech76 March 10th, 2012 9:40 am
“@Thomas Brown…You need to do more research before you mouth off.Rueben Houston was allowed back on the team, because of a court order. Before that he was suspended by the Athletic Dept.”
_____________________________________________________
The Court did not order him to play the entire game against us.
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:41 pm
Old Gold Britches March 10th, 2012 9:57 am
“It is hard to believe Peterson and Radakovich made this big of a mistake. It is just as unbelieveable that legel advisers let them go down the path they took. Apparently the blind leading the blind.”
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:46 pm
student athlete March 10th, 2012 10:20 am
“The players should seek council on possibly suing Rad, Johnson, Peterson, and the GTAA, its very clear they were negligent in managing the initial situation, they then responded with the same arrogance to the NCAA that has been exhibited numerous time to GT fans and Atlanta media. The hired hands (Johnson and Rad) ride off with the money”
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:48 pm
Tech Faithful March 10th, 2012 10:31 am
“No, DRad is the main culprit here. He was told what to do by the NCAA and he didn’t do it. He impeded the investigation, as did CPJ by passing on the information to players, DUH! DRad has overstayed his welcome, and it is time for him to go, Bud. As for CPJ – probation at best.”
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:53 pm
Supersize that order, mutt March 10th, 2012 11:31 am
“It was DRAD who did what he was supposedly not allowed to do. Johnson wasn’t even involved at that point and was not until DRAD told him what was going on.”
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
9:59 pm
captguitarman March 10th, 2012 11:36 am
“the bigger issue is kind of getting lost here. Did Tech screw up? Sounds like it. “
Thomas Brown
March 10th, 2012
11:01 pm
Gt fan March 10th, 2012 1:03 pm
” “Don’t tell your HC, but we (NCAA) are going need 2 of his best players to sit out some games while we conduct an investigation” all the while knowing the AD is going to inform the HC. THUS, the NCAA is now armed with a “they didn’t obey our order to NOT say a word to anyone, especially the HC” defense.”
_________________________________________________________
Hash Browns March 10th, 2012 8:57 pm
“I would like to know when Radakovich is going to hand in his resignation — or if he lacks the integrity to do that, when Peterson is going to fire him. He ignored the simple instruction not to discuss the situation with anyone within seconds of when he was notified of how it had to be handled. His simple arrogance and inability to listen is why Tech ultimately received this pun ishment.”
The Truth
March 11th, 2012
8:17 am
The NCAA works exactly like the US legal system does. If you are a nobody, you get screwed. If you are important, you get your wrist slapped. This is exacrly like the minority indigent who get 2o years for stealing $100, while the CEO who stole $1B from the stockholders and government gets a $10K fine. This is just the way it is, the way it has always been and the way it will always be. Georgia Tech has two choices, become important to the NCAA (like Ohio State, North Carolina or Miami)or just accept it.
BartBuzz
March 11th, 2012
8:57 am
Does this mean CPJ has to forfeit his bonus check?
HOUDAWG
March 11th, 2012
11:08 am
Way to come to the defense of cheating Schultz ……. pretty much ” biz as usual ” at AJC.
Incredible how this gets down-played by you dillweeds. Just exposes the left-leanings of the AJC & GT grads …… always rationalizing.
Thomas Brown
March 12th, 2012
12:17 am
Birmingham Jacket March 11th, 2012 10:57 am
“From coaches to the AD, total bafoons.
Time to clean the entire house.”
RF
March 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
Clemson fan here who was at that game in Tampa.
You guys won the ACC title fair and square, and the NCAA is hosing you. Here’s hoping some institutional changes are made with the idiotic way they punish schools over a whopping $312 that was returned….
That ‘09 team was good; they were the ACC Champs, and no one else. Those kids deserve better.
Aside from the obvious, best of luck next year…
GO TIGERS!
Scott
March 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
Condolences from a Florida State fan. It’s tough to deal with those guys – their tactics are reprehensible. It you don’t kneel down they are insulted and will do just about anything to bring you back in line. It’s still your championship.