Report: Marvin Williams wants out (OK, what’s the joke?)
There haven't been enough moments like this from Marvin Williams. (AP photo)
The Hawks have enough other issues now, with injuries to Al Horford, Jason Collins and Joe Johnson (who couldn’t finish Monday’s loss at Chicago because of a knee injury).
But here’s one more problem — or maybe it’s actually comic relief.
According to ESPN’s Chris Broussard — and I caution all to not treat this with Woodward-and-Bernstein reliability — Hawks forward Marvin Williams wants out. Quoting directly from Broussard’s “True Hoop” blog: “Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Marvin Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he’ll have an increased role offensively. Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game, his lowest since his rookie season.”
Let’s assume for a minute (or as long as it takes to finish this blog) that this true. Question: Seriously? I know Broussard covers the NBA but this items cries for some context.
This is Williams’ seventh NBA season. He has been a bust. Forget for a moment that the astrophysicist, former general manager Billy Knight, passed up Chris Paul to take Williams. There’s still an expectation that the second pick in the NBA draft will be a solid-to-great player, but Williams hasn’t been close to that.
It’s true that his scoring average of 9.6 points is the lowest of his career. But let’s not suggest that he has been an 18-to-20-scorer in the NBA. His annual averages: 8.5, 13.1, 14.8, 13.9, 10.1, 10.4, 9.6. Career average: 11.6.
Williams has been almost a full-time starter since year two. He has played 458 games. I think we all know by know what he can do.
In 2009, general manager Rick Sund gave Williams, then a free agent, a five-year, $37.5 million contract extension. I’m sure the thought at the time was that, after four years, maybe the small forward would turn all of that athletic ability into something good. But that hasn’t happened. So the Hawks are now stuck with an underwhelming player who makes $7.5 million this season, $8.2875 million next year and a $7.5 million player option in 2013-14.
In other words, Marvin, if you really want out, we hereby give you permission to pick up the phone and find a team that’s interested.
By Jeff Schultz
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245 comments Add your comment
dublin mike
February 21st, 2012
9:22 am
Idiocy, thy name is Marvin Williams
Flip89
February 21st, 2012
9:27 am
Well if Joe is out for an extended period of time, Marvin should be getting more PT and will either show us he is not a full bust or he will hopefully increase his Trade Value. Perfect timing if you think about it. He wants more pt and Joe may be out for a few games.
Andrew Lipham
February 21st, 2012
9:28 am
Marvin for Beasley straight up?
Joey
February 21st, 2012
9:29 am
Can he take Joe with him?
buckhead benny
February 21st, 2012
9:29 am
I just wish someone would teach him how to walk without doing the “Williams Waddle” I got news for you if your a general manager and your looking at drafting a kid- 1. They don’t work out (Marvin might have one of the worst bodies in the NBA- 2. They walk like they got a corn cobb up their *** 3. He didn’t start on his college team . 4. You may want to pass on drafting them with the 2nd overall pick.
That should have been an easy decision based on the facts above
Ray
February 21st, 2012
9:30 am
I’m fine with it—let’s go Dwight
PMC
February 21st, 2012
9:31 am
Can I help him pack? The absolute worst #2 draft pick in NBA history.
steve brown
February 21st, 2012
9:33 am
Perfect example of the linacy (sorry couldn’t help myself) of Hawk management, starting a guy for all these years who can’t play at that level thinking perhaps they will create the illusion that he can. Perhaps the worst collection of talent evaluators ever.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
9:33 am
That said, I guess it’s good to see that they are publically frustrated, that means they aren’t quitting.
The bigger problem….. they can’t rebound.
Bill Clinton
February 21st, 2012
9:35 am
Marvin needs to watch his comments. He is right up there with Jon Koncack on the all time Atlanta Hawks MVP list.
Kramer
February 21st, 2012
9:36 am
This team is a train wreck and needs an ownership that gives a damn about winning. Dare to dream I guess.
DJ Frisco
February 21st, 2012
9:37 am
Can we send him and Joe Johnson down to Orlando for Dwight? I’m being serious tho…
hot.trod
February 21st, 2012
9:37 am
To marvin’s credit, he’s been playing with a back injury.. He did what was necessary and got his surgery this summer and has been playing very well. When he’s on a hot streak, Larry Drew will yank him out… I actually like what I’ve seen out of marvin Williams this year.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
9:38 am
He couldn’t even start at North Carolina, came out after a year and our guys thought he was Kevin Durant.
Nice.
Marquis
February 21st, 2012
9:41 am
@ buckhead benny… I call his walk the “booty-doo”… taken from another friend…LOL!
elroy
February 21st, 2012
9:42 am
Marvin should have never been a Hawk. Chris Paul was the obvious choice the Hawks should have made. Thanks Billy Knight, you should never get a G.M. or scouting job ever again.
steve brown
February 21st, 2012
9:44 am
The only Hawks who would want to stay are the fringe players that are playing out their careers cashing checks and aren’t sought after commodities. Any player with a brain knows this team is never going to win a thing especially with Joe Johnson, a decent but soft player, as the highest paid, with Horford out of position, with Josh Smith showing up now and then, with Jeff Teague at the point. Who are they kidding, no one.
As their contracts near expiration none will want to stay and Joe Johnson will be the only one left as he is unmovable at his pay level. The Hawks will fall to the bottom of the pack, the value will decline and with this management group there will be no hope in the draft or free agency as they can’t judge talent. The only hope for fans is the sale of the team.
Leon
February 21st, 2012
9:47 am
Really Marvin? You want out, well we want you out too. Bye. The best thing that can happen to the Hawks is that they miss the playoffs.
Nothing But The Truth
February 21st, 2012
9:50 am
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
No, seriously.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unc Fan
February 21st, 2012
9:51 am
What would we get if we traded Marvin? A rack of basketballs? I would have rather drafted Greg Oden, atleast he is done now.
Mr. Phil
February 21st, 2012
9:52 am
Any deal involving Marvin has to include Joe Johnson. Take that albatross with you.
atlbyrdsfan
February 21st, 2012
9:52 am
I will never understand the then GM’s thinking of drafting him before CP3 or Deron Williams. I have to agree with everyone on here that Marvin should not have been drafted #2 by no team since his college resume was… well short and unfullfilled. What to do with these Hawks?!?!?!?! Give up whomever on the team and get Dwight even if it’s for just the rest of this season and watch how the fans will come out to see something or someone that is spectacular. And go from there…
Even if you think why!? what will it accomplish when he leaves at end of season. So what… we will have cap space to start over from scratch without JJ’s contract over our head and then maybe the league will see the Hawks for what they are, just an organization to fill out the divisions, like Sacremento. How is the start-up OKC Thunder doing in the rankings..? #sarcasm
Foothills
February 21st, 2012
9:52 am
Marvin still here?…with the Hawks?…Hawks still here?…
Mike
February 21st, 2012
9:53 am
Jeff,
Seriously? You are quoting Broussard and his “sources”?
http://aptheblank.com/broussards-sources-say/
Lea
February 21st, 2012
9:53 am
I’ll help him pack his bags.
Double Zero Eight
February 21st, 2012
9:53 am
Send Marvin, to the Bobcats. Maybe
some “good ole home cookin” will
re-energize him. He has been a bust
in Atlanta.
Mike
February 21st, 2012
9:54 am
Jeff,
Seriously? You are quoting Broussard and his sources?
Heisenberg
February 21st, 2012
9:54 am
Marvin & a couple other pieces for Pau Gasol??? I also dream of winning the lottery.
Nothing But The Truth
February 21st, 2012
9:54 am
Blow it up. Josh, Marvin, Joe, T-Mac, everybody must go.
In the meantime, all this off-court whining should be entertaining.
Mr. Phil
February 21st, 2012
9:55 am
Ok. Here’s the plan. Package Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams for a superstar (anybody really) and a fringe player, deliberately miss the playoffs, and hope to land another star in the draft. Two new stars and Jeff Teague and we should be good to go.
Mike
February 21st, 2012
9:55 am
Http://aptheblank.com/broussards-sources-say/
Chris Broussard
February 21st, 2012
9:58 am
Did I just read this correctly, Jeff Schultz, an AJC sportswriter just cautioned readers on the issue of journalistic credibility? (OK, Jeff, what’s the joke?)
iceBIRDcold12
February 21st, 2012
9:59 am
Open the door and put out the slide. Be sure to put grease on that for maximum velocity.
Steve
February 21st, 2012
10:01 am
Trade him for A dozen new spalding Bballs that is all he’s worth what a bust!!
ZACK
February 21st, 2012
10:03 am
CONTRACT THE HAWKS……………ASAP!
nate from detroit
February 21st, 2012
10:05 am
If the present day Hawks are not the most mismanaged and boring team in the history of the NBA, then someone please tell me who is. I used to be a huge NBA fan when the game was a fast paced, athletic game that placed a premium on athleticism and basketball ability( i.e. Showtime Lakers in the 80’s ). I even enjoyed watching the Mavs run throught the playoffs last year. I watched the Thunder and the Nuggets game the other night and enjoyed watching Westbrook and Durant work together. I’ve tried to watch the Hawks and they play the most boring and uninspiring basketball I have seen in the league. I don’t understand the complexities of the salary cap, but I would be more than happy to see them cut the dead wood out( J Johnson, M Williams to name a few) and start over.
SH
February 21st, 2012
10:08 am
What is his shots per game average this year compared to past years. If it’s about the same, and he’s complaining about his role, then he’s an idiot. All I can remember him by is weak defense and clank after clank.
Boom Dizzle
February 21st, 2012
10:09 am
He’s got to be joking….he wants out? At least now the feelings are mutual b/c we’ve wanted you out Marvin for a long time now! But wait you can’t trade one of the “core” pieces??? SMDH
nate from detroit
February 21st, 2012
10:10 am
Maybe we could get Jackie Moon from the movie Semi-Pro to come in a be GM. He couldn’t screw the Hawks up any worse than they are now and at least we could have the free corn dog promotion.
Count von Count
February 21st, 2012
10:13 am
Tuesday – anyone??
NUNNA
February 21st, 2012
10:16 am
Hot.Rod,
I’ve been saying that as well..
LD will yank him when he is getting it going to put in Tracy McBaby..
Marvin showed what he could do when joe went out a few years ago.
Averaging over 20ppg,getting to the free throw line,and he is an all around player..
But i tell u this,if it is true and he goes,then look for others to jump ship..
Gotta go back to work..
Peace
realsquawk
February 21st, 2012
10:16 am
I actually agree with Marvin. He is the second most sound offensive piece we have outside of Joe Johnson, but he is the at least the fourth option on any given offensive set. When giving moments to carry the offensive load he has stepped up to the plate and more importantly shown the ability to get to the stripe more than anyone on this team. I’d much rather have Marvin than a lot of other players on this team, but of course he was such a huge bust that we can’t see past that to recognize how far he has come. Including being one of the few Hawks players to actually improve part of his game in the offseason.
Big Crimson 75
February 21st, 2012
10:18 am
Call Billy Knight — He’ll take him!
NekiEcko
February 21st, 2012
10:20 am
Well, alot of people will like to pack his bags for him and he can go on his little way. I am in that boat, this team needs a face-lift and they need it now or in the playoffs, they will have to face against 76ers and we know what a good job they did against those guys.
Section 303
February 21st, 2012
10:20 am
Wow….I guess no one can argue that this group has not been together for too long.
If this is true, than Marvin is one of the dumbest players to ever set foot on an NBA court. I know he is a bust compared to Paul or Darren Williams, but I have never disliked Marvin. This would make me change my mind on that.
There really was a death in his family, right? That was not a cover because Marvin is mad?
A.S.
February 21st, 2012
10:23 am
Finally! I’m glad Marvin is asking to be traded because there was no way the Hawks would deal him. Jeff, you’re right he has been a bust! Get rid of Marvin and Hinrich, possibly Teague in efforts to acquire a true PG.
Cal Bowdlers 7th foul
February 21st, 2012
10:24 am
He’s a top 5 all time bust, and he looks like a supporting character from the Fat Albert cartoons, but he’s actually right. For him to get more scoring opportunities his team needs to get more ball movement, which is not going to happen as constructed.
Heisenberg
February 21st, 2012
10:25 am
I do not like Marvin’s offensive game. He is soft around the basket and a poor finisher. Worse than Teague whose finishing abilities were written about last week. He is a spot up mid-range jump shooter and cannot create his own shots. Has been more effective in a bench role than as a starter. He does seem to defend better than average so he could have some value there. But he is a role player and nothing more so his trade value is low.
KOOL
February 21st, 2012
10:26 am
Passed up Chris Paul? The consensus top 2 prospects of that draft were Andrew Bogut & Marvin Wms. Hindsight is always 20/20, schultz.
CJ
February 21st, 2012
10:27 am
I’m almost certain that he’d be the best player on about 4 or 5 teams in the league. Put him somewhere where he is the number 1 guy and he may surprise some people.
Is it too late to use the Amnesty that should’ve already been used?
j
February 21st, 2012
10:29 am
Get out then. He was the biggest draft bust we have ever had. He didn’t even start for UNC the year he came out. Drafts like this are the reason Atlanta sports is so bad.
Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
10:29 am
Funny comments.
Eurt Rellab
February 21st, 2012
10:29 am
Buckhead Benny – That is awesome…and true.
BulldogBen
February 21st, 2012
10:30 am
Seriously Jeff. This team is falling apart. What’s sad is I’d call Williams the biggest bust in Hawks history if it weren’t for Shelden Williams. At least Marvin was “serviceable”. Shelden didn’t make it, what, 3 seasons with the Hawks?
It’s painfully clear that they need to blow it all up and start from scratch but the ASG will NEVER do that. They’ll eek out a what little profit there is left and continue to look for a buyer.
Awful.
Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
10:30 am
Mike — “Seriously? You are quoting Broussard and his “sources”? http://aptheblank.com/broussards-sources-say/
I think I’ve spoken to that gas station attendant in Trenton. He’s usually pretty solid.
Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
10:32 am
Kool — Like I said, let’s forget about CP for a moment. Marvin Williams has been a bust for a No. 2 overall pick.
Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
10:33 am
BulldogBen — Well, if we want to start comparing the degrees of bust-ness for past Hawks’ draft picks, we’ll be here all day.
cdog
February 21st, 2012
10:36 am
i wouldn’t be surprised. as long as rick sund is the GM and larry drew is the head coach, the hawks will awful and pathetic.its a shame how bad they have become under these two
cpsman_atlanta
February 21st, 2012
10:37 am
Smartest thing Marvin Williams has done in a long time. If he really wants out, I wouldn’t blame him for one second. Look who the owners of this franchise are; that would make me want to run for the hills, as well. BOYCOTT ATLANTA SPIRIT GROUP!!!!
BulldogBen
February 21st, 2012
10:38 am
Ha! This is true Jeff but come on, Shelden made people long for the days of Jon Koncak.
Shelden is the Gold Standard of Hawks ineptitude.
Proud-Dawg
February 21st, 2012
10:39 am
How to fix the Hawks:
1. Amnesty Joe Johnson (We still have to pay him 1 trillion dollars but atleast it frees up cap space….Pipe dream considering we have to worst owners in sports)
2. Trade Marvin for some big league chew
3. Fire ASG, Drew, the beer guy at section 213, and Sund
Unlikely, but hey its worth a shot
NekiEcko
February 21st, 2012
10:41 am
Screw all-day, it will be here until the end of the year for that. The only teams that have done worst was Clippers and Blazers (Sam Bowie, anybody)
Dirty Dawg
February 21st, 2012
10:43 am
Mark, you’re obviously confusing us with somebody that actually gives a $&/! what another of these overpaid, petulant punks says or does.
Casey
February 21st, 2012
10:45 am
Is there really any drop off if Joe is out for a while?
Heisenberg
February 21st, 2012
10:46 am
Hawks going nowhere. Blow it up the 2012 draft is suppossed to be deep. Oh well Barves are back in business so there is at least that.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 21st, 2012
10:47 am
In a related story, Sam Baker demands a trade from the Falcons so that he can get more snaps at tackle.
IceColdATLien
February 21st, 2012
10:50 am
Marvin still plays for the Hawks? Every now and again I see an 85-year old great-grandpa waddling up and down the court, but I just thought it was a “Come Play With the Hawks” senior citizen community outreach program… but I had no idea that was Marvin!
Ray
February 21st, 2012
10:53 am
This is the biggest load of crap ever how is Marvin even upset at all?
This guys is the worst #2 draft pick of all time Marvin go look at your stat sheet and then go look at CP3 or even Josh Smith who was like #17 the previous year.
Josh has done a lot more than you have taken 15 spots later.
IceColdATLien
February 21st, 2012
10:59 am
Seriously, though. Can NBA teams make trades with D-league squads? That’s where he’s gonna end up after his time with the Hawks is over anyway.
kbb
February 21st, 2012
11:00 am
I’ll trade Marvin for a half empty bottle of gatorade and a game used towel.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
11:00 am
Guys the team isn’t falling apart. This is what they do. They have lulls every single year. They are a better team than how they have played and they are missing Al quite a bit. Al will be back eventually. It’s a playoff team and it’s a playoff team that could very well get to the 2nd round yet again though obviously that’s thier ceiling without some help.
Pargo had a great effort yesterday. They can play with the Bulls when they rebound.
It’s just that they can’t get any better now because Joe is what he is.
Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
11:01 am
Najeh — Great analogy.
Hawks Fan
February 21st, 2012
11:03 am
The sad thing is that the next 3 picks after Marvin were Deron Williams, CP3, and Ray Felton. DWill and CP3 are all star players and Felton is at least an average pg in the league. All these guys would have been much better fits at the time. In 2005, we already had a young Josh Smith and J. Childress, plust Al Harrington up front. We had Salim Stoudimire and Ty Lue at PG…Obviously, the weakest spot on the team was PG.
Marvin would probably average 15 an 8 on a bad team like the Wizards…But he’s a 6th man at best on most teams with playoff aspirations.
Hawks Fan
February 21st, 2012
11:06 am
I forgot to add Royal Ivey to our 2005-2006 PG rotation. LOL…Come on man…The Marvin decision was the difference between 2nd round elimination and a team that may have been battling in the Eastern Conf. finals the past few years.
dap01
February 21st, 2012
11:10 am
Marvin is not as big of a bust as the management and the coaching of the whole Hawks organization.
Hogans Word
February 21st, 2012
11:14 am
Boris Diaw was a crappy Hawk. Then he went to the Suns and played out of his mind. Whose to say a different situation wouldn’t help Marvin? He sure isn’t doing much here. Trade him for a less than decent big or a lottery pick (doubtful). At the end of the day it at least shows ownership cares.
Mr Mojo
February 21st, 2012
11:16 am
The main problem with this team has always been ownership and the GM’s. We can talk about all the draft day misses and there has been alot. Currently though the main problem is ownership and Sund. Every team in contention goes over the cap and uses there MLE and Mini mid level. The Hawks just do nothing year after year to give themselves a better chance. Its pathetic and sickening. They will not go the extra mile to try to win. Tell me any other contender who would lose a guy like Horford and do absolutely nothing but add Eric Dampier. Hey Jeff, How about Marvin and Hinrich for Kaman? Or would NO not even want Marvin which is probably the best bet. Didnt this mutt Rick Sund say when Horford got hurt we will see when Hawks hit a tailspin before we make a move? 3-7 in last 10 isnt enough for this clown. We will watch the trade deadline pass by and see no movemnet form the Hawks while all other teams in the East add players. Dont bash the players bash the ownership and there puppet Rick Sund.
NekiEcko
February 21st, 2012
11:16 am
@PMC,
I can understand you but you got to see the big picture here, do you think we can beat the 76ers or Pacers 4 out of 7 times, then you have to go against Bulls or Heat in the next two rounds even with Al (he will be back but he wont be the same Al after the injury). Right now, the core need to “shaken” not “stir” or Hawks will get a early round exit this year (btw, Genron there is no banner for going to the first round)
BAMA dude
February 21st, 2012
11:20 am
PMC
February 21st, 2012
9:31 am
Can I help him pack? The absolute worst #2 draft pick in NBA history.
Hmmmm. Darko Milicic would like a word, and Sam Bowie just because he was picked between Hakeem and Jordan.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
11:22 am
Oh, make no mistake I’m all for change Neki Ecko, In fact, as a fan promotion, I’d let Najeh handle the lineup for a week instead of Larry Drew.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
11:25 am
Sam Bowie was picked of course because they had Clyde Drexler.
The problem of course is that that our GM at the time having no point guard, decided to draft ANOTHER forward after just drafting two forwards with 3 potential PG’s that we did need on the board. To make up for that, he decided to take ANOTHER forward the next year in Shelden Williams and ANOTHER Forward in Al Horford. At least Al is pretty good even if center isn’t his natural position.
Between Billy Knight and Don Waddell it’s sort of amazing they sell any tickets at all.
PMC
February 21st, 2012
11:27 am
It’s similar to the Falcons really. Building the exception to the rule. League is now guard driven, we have all Forwards. League is now passing driven, we have a team predicated on the run that can’t pass block to save it’s life.
wcj
February 21st, 2012
11:28 am
Lets play the trade game: The Hawks send Kirk Hinrich, Marvin williams, Tracy Mcgrady, and the Hawks 1st round pick to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and Luke Walton. The Lakers send Pau Gasol, Lakers 1st round pick, Hawks 1st round pick, Marvin Williams, Tracy Mcgrady to the Magic for Dwight Howard. The Hawks send Zaza to the Magic, and Gets Jason Richardson. Can this be done?
iBall
February 21st, 2012
11:32 am
This is a joke!!! Let him go anywhere he wants to go. Maybe the D-League?? I can’t stop laughing at this one. Marvin wants out!!! LOL!!!
moboman
February 21st, 2012
11:33 am
Hindsight is always 20/20, at the time of that draft, the buzz was about Marivin’s potential, since he had only played one season at UNC. It was a “the skies the limit” pick, and a definite gamble on Marvins ability to develop his game. As for Chris Paul, the question was about size and durability. IN hindsight, if the Hawks had drafted by position need at the time (as they probably should have instead of drafting the same position over and over again), they would have been much better off, because CP3 blossomed and Marvins potential never got a lot better. And Deron Williams would have been a better fit as well. So it was a gamble we lost on. But everyone is a genius 5 years later who knew better.
Spud Web
February 21st, 2012
11:35 am
This is a gift! Why isn’t he packed and gone already?
KBP
February 21st, 2012
11:40 am
Marvin has not been used properly in the 7 years he has been here. If he is a bust, then it is a function of the coaching staff moreso than his lack of ability. If he got 12-15 shots per game he would hardly be a bust. Name 15 small forwards who are better all around players. . . LeBron, Pierce, Granger, Melo,Caron Butler,Iguodala,Gay? Marvin is in the top half of small forwards in the league. I hope he gets traded to a team that will allow him to be a bigger part of their offense and then everyone will know if he is a baller or not.
Wreckmaniac
February 21st, 2012
11:46 am
Williams wants out ? Why haven’t the Hawks already said “we can’t use you. You’re taking up space”.?
This guy makes Jon Koncak look like Superman. What a bust. Thats what you get when you take someone with only one year of college. Occasionally, but rarely, do you find a Dwight Howard. Get rid of this dude and bring in a contributor. You’re right. No one will want him. He needs to play in Europe for 2-3 years. Good grief, how does anyone get to hide in a job for 7 years like Williams has. I can outscore him myself and I’m 65.
kbb
February 21st, 2012
11:48 am
Please give duck-butt his wish. Trade him to the Bobcats or the Hornets. He can get all the time he wants there
Scotum
February 21st, 2012
11:48 am
It took me a few minutes to assimilate Williams with a current Hawks player. My mind drifted back to Freeman Williams who I believe is an ex Hawk and ex Portland Stater. I also seem to recollect that he favored shooting free throws two feet right of center.
Anyway- it has become apparent that Jimmy the Greek missed the part that the Chinese have that extra eye and hand thing that makes them great at basketball. With a population of 2 trillion over there maybe the Hawks should post a want ad.
Also- speaking of China- has anyone kept up with Starbury and his phoenix type rise in over there. Shoes are selling like egg rolls and he speaks fluent Cantonese
ClemsonBrad
February 21st, 2012
11:51 am
I agree…time to blow this team up and bring back Bob Sura and Chris Crawford to fill out the roster, and end this season.
keepinitreal
February 21st, 2012
11:54 am
Just heard Bill Simmons on Cowherd’s show. He was talking about how your only hope in the NBA is to be really good or really bad. He said a team like the Bobcats is in better shape than the Celtics because Charlotte could potentially land a franchise-player in the draft, where as the Celtics are in no-man’s land.
I’m beginning to think the Hawks should just blow this thing up. Maybe keep Smoove/Horford and Teague, but get rid of everyone else.
BigTimeTECHFan
February 21st, 2012
11:56 am
Just think, 2 weeks ago Hawks could have traded Williams stait up for Jeremy Lin.
not anymore.
I agree, throw this season in the tank and trade anyone but Teague and Ivan Johnson for Dwight Howard
Say J Johnson, M Williams, J Smith, V Rad for Howard
Start:
PF Keith Benson (pick him back up)
SF Ivan Johnson
C Dwight Howard
PG Jeff Teague
SG Hinrich, Willy Green
would be solid defensive team, maybe best in NBA
Then you attract nice FA because Howard is here next off-season
plus better draft pick because team will be better but lose more games as they take time to jell.
KJ
February 21st, 2012
12:01 pm
Next we’ll hear Sam Baker wants out from the Falcons.
John
February 21st, 2012
12:04 pm
I am not saying Marvin is an all-star. I realize he has not lived up to the potential. However, he has been underused ever since he has been here. He is usually the fourth or fifth option when actually he should probably be the third option and average 10-15 shots a game like another poster said. He shoots a decent percentage but does not have enough shot volume to raise his PPG. He is at his best when Joe and others are out and he is asked to carry the load. When he is assertive he is actually good at getting to the foul line.
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
12:04 pm
Or that back up Short Stop for the Braves will be asking to be traded!
Rick James
February 21st, 2012
12:08 pm
Seriously? Marvin should be playing in Greece or China and I’m sure he would get all of the playing time he wants.Another bad decision by Hawks management not to use the amnesty rule and release him.
Time
February 21st, 2012
12:17 pm
First things first. Larry Drew must go. He has in a short time proven he really is Woody Jr. He always has to have someone in his mythical doghouse (teague) just like Woody. He is not as good of a coach as Woody. He must GO. Now rather than later.
And we should do everything we can to give Marvin his wishes. For years I’ve supported this guy while and he is just not going to get it done here. Period. The Hawks should get in the rumored talks between Washington and Charlotte as 3rd team in a Blatche/T. Thomas deal. Washington gets Thomas and the expiring contract of Kirk Hinrich. Charlotte gets Marvin. Who fills a open hole in their roster and maybe going home to Carolina would be the thing to finally get him to step up. With the Hawks receiving Andray Blatche. A young, and sometimes frustrating, big that has some skills and upside that the Hawks needed even when Horford was healthy.
petebabcock
February 21st, 2012
12:18 pm
Its players like Marvin Williams that make it hard for me to watch the Hawks play. Bye Bye Marvin and take LD with u.
moboman
February 21st, 2012
12:19 pm
Marvin could be every bit as effective on offense as Josh, but his game is too passive. He’s too content to be the open jump shooter. (Or the Hawks arent asking him to do any more than that.) Needs to develop an inside game, take it to the rim, and get to the free throw line.
cp
February 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
The problem is Marvin has such low trade value that the Hawks wont be able to get much for him. Dude has been given every opportunity to succeed but has been average at best. They should have moved on from him years ago but it always seemed as if they didn’t want to admit they made a mistake in drafting him .
ATl Flavor
February 21st, 2012
12:31 pm
Well if you think the Hawks were a mess before, this will surely help. The Hawks are not really that bad as a team. But with all the infighting moaning and complaining they are going from at least a playoff team to just a team in the NBA lottery. A little humility would go along way for these guys. But it is probably too late for that to do any good. The Hawks need to change the culture of Basketball in Atlanta. They were going in the right direction in 2007, but now it is the blind leading the blind. Does Drew ever sleep??? He looks like he hasn’t slept since the 80’s.
Big Mal
February 21st, 2012
12:31 pm
We need to send M Williams, 2012 1st draft pick, and Hinrich to New Orleans for Chris Kaman and Donald Sloan. You throw Donald Sloan in the mix to make the salary numbers work. I believe both teams get what they need, Atlanta needs a big man who can score in the low post and rebound. New Orleans gets an expiring contract, a draft pick and Williams to build its team. If you get Horford back, you can move him to PF and Josh Smith to SF.
John
February 21st, 2012
12:36 pm
Has anyone calling for a Kaman trade seen him play the past couple of seasons? Not very impressive. I guarantee you that if Marvin gets traded we will see tons of improvement in his game. I am not saying all-star, but we will it will make us even more frustrated with our coaches.
layinlow
February 21st, 2012
12:39 pm
moboman, it’s true that hindsight is 20/20 and there definently was a lot of buzz about marvin coming out of college. However, billy knight and crew made one huge blunder in their evaluation of Marvin. When they brought him in they absolutely refused to work him out against other top prospects or any other player for that matter. When he worked out for the hawks he came in and shot jump shots and they fell in love with his magnificent form and “potential”. I distinctly remember thinking they should watch him go against some athletic defenders to see if he could beat somebody off the dribble or post a guy up and score. But nope they didn’t, they chose to watch him workout against the air. I think knight was afraid that Marvin might not perform well and that could have brought some doubt within the org about drafting him. Knight believed that Marvin would grow as a player and he was wrong. It was obvious to me his rookie season that he wasn’t explosive enough athleticly to ever be a great NBA player. Watching him go up against intense competition before drafting him could have made that obvious to hawks management as well.
kbb
February 21st, 2012
12:39 pm
@John
I’ve seen Marvin play for 5 years. Not very impressive either. At least Kaman is a true center. Marvin is the most mediocre player ive ever seen.
UGASlobberknocker
February 21st, 2012
12:45 pm
This is the definition of addition by subtraction. Can we just cut him loose today? Or maybe we could get a couple of brats and a cold beer if we trade him to Milwaukee..well prob not , those brats are pretty good.the Bucks may want Joe Johnson too. OK.
UGASlobberknocker
February 21st, 2012
12:46 pm
Dear Marvin.
there is the door. please don’t let it hit your big butt on the way out.
dap01
February 21st, 2012
12:48 pm
Where is Marvin now? I heard he had a death in the family? Or is he simply AWOL?
UGASlobberknocker
February 21st, 2012
12:54 pm
His game died. about 4 yrs ago
UGASlobberknocker
February 21st, 2012
12:57 pm
to the guy who mentioned Sam Bowie was a worse draft choice than Marvin. That is true. Thank goodness the Hawks drafted low that year or they prob would have drafted Bowie too.
Joe Johnson Quit On His Team Because He Know He Sucks
February 21st, 2012
1:00 pm
lmao marvin take that walk on somewhere elese we dont care
dap01
February 21st, 2012
1:01 pm
Can you imagine if your only coaches was Woodson and Larry. No wonder Marvin has not developed.
Gwinnett Fred
February 21st, 2012
1:07 pm
Ask Marvin if he is OK with just tearing up his current contract and becoming an immediate free agent.
After he gets thru laughing all the way to the bank tell him to STFU about wanting out!
Joe Johnson should skip All-Star Game for Hawks' sake | Jeff Schultz
February 21st, 2012
1:07 pm
[...] Earlier: Marvin Williams wants out of Atlanta? (OK, what’s the joke?) [...]
jroll1
February 21st, 2012
1:08 pm
CAN WE GET THIS COMPLETED BEFORE THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY!!!! THANKS BILLY….NO CHRIS PAUL….MARVIN IS A BUST!!!!
Bama Mike
February 21st, 2012
1:08 pm
Remember back when they announced the hiring of Rick Sund as GM. The populace was if we want medocrity then he is your man. Well looks like he has certainly got us there. The fact he hired Bob Weiss for a third time was enough to eliminate him.
NCBravesFan
February 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
Marvin, I wish we knew how to quit you.
Gwinnett Fred
February 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
On a somewhat different note, but still related – the ASG sold the wrong team. If they kept the Thrashers and afforded them the same payroll as the Hawks, within 2 years that team would have immediately become the best bet for the next Atlanta championship.
Yes, I am a Hawks fan – but going to an NBA game where you team has no identity, star appeal or serious chance at going all the way is just nowhere near the cost of going. The NHL is different – there is a passion in a hockey fan base that does not exist in basketball – but you HAVE to put a winning product on the ice and sadly the ASG never really cared!
J.J.M.
February 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
I see marvin is not that bright..if they tried to trade him before maybe there’s no trades because you suck marvin? clearly no team wants to trade for you!
LakeDawg
February 21st, 2012
1:11 pm
Williams wants to quit the Hawks? That’s not news. He quit a long time ago. I guess he’s just verbalizing it now.
BTW I say trade the Hawks whole starting line up, minus Horford, for a #1 draft pick.
cp
February 21st, 2012
1:14 pm
@layinlow. great post. I always said that if Marvin had to work out against competition his game would have been exposed. What made it worse was that he was so out of shape he couldn’t finish his workout. I watched a lot of UNC games that one year Marvin was there and I never saw this potential that the experts were talking about. He never had any “wow” moments or games that would make you think he could be a great player one day. People fell in love with the form on his jumper and his length. I always thought the Williams kid playing in front of Marvin was better. The same issues he has now he had back in UNC. He had trouble finishing, bad hands, and a weak handle. The only thing Marvin has added to his game that he never had was the 3 point range. It was just too many red flags with Marvin coming out to me. He didn’t look super athletic, wasn’t great at anything in particular on the court, wasn’t a great finisher, wasn’t a great ballhandler.. When I watched Durant in college I knew he had it. He had plenty of moments where you thought “dude is going to be a problem in the League”. I never watched a Carolina game and thought Marvin was anything special.
I MUS WRITE
February 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
Is this a joke? I wish he wanted out before we gave him a contract he didnt deserve. This guy is dillusional -I cant think of one team where he would be the 1st or 2nd option….Maybe N.O.
Get gone homie the fan base will rejoice when u leave. Horrible pick -below average SF. All he does is shoot -cant post up, cant take his man off the dribble. Goofy in the open court -stumblin bumblin …….
TylerThe Creator
February 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
GTFO here Marvin, nobody in Atlanta cares about you
jay
February 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
Send this fool packing. He is absolutely worthless. I’ve never seen someone miss so many easy baskets at the rim. His only game now is a jump shot that is sometimey at best. Well heill we have enough jump shooters already.
superiorblogman
February 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
Anyone with sense should want out. Spare young Teague and trade him away with Marvin.
Leave the team to the fake superstar Joe and the fake wanna-be all-star Josh.
Trade Al also before he is totally ruined.
Blow it up you DumbSundofaGM
Scrate Up
February 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
I almost fell outta my chair when I read this. You mean to tell me that Marvin thinks that he can be a better player ? Then may I ask him why when he IS in the games he does absolutely nothing ? The few times he gets the ball he eithers misses a layup or turns the ball over. Unbelievable…
ryan
February 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
The core has cracked time to blow it i agree with everyone we should play for the lottery .
moboman
February 21st, 2012
1:42 pm
@layinlow, No argument here. My only point was that there were some hesitation issues about CP3 as well at the time. The Hawks gambled huge on his potential and were wrong. Lets not forget these were the same BOZO’s that took Shelden Wililams much higher than anyone thought he should have gone. Imagine what might have been if we hadnt wasted these two picks, and instead of drafted for need.
Scrate Up
February 21st, 2012
1:42 pm
Can somebody tell Joe johnson that he’s making $24 million a year to be the leading scorer,best player on the team ? Willie Green is playing better than JJ right now. Hawks owners & Sund are incompetent when it comes to evaluating talent. Marvin Williams couldn’t even make a team that I was the coach of.
Melvin Flowers
February 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
The Hawks are so sorry they are not worth watching sale the dam team if not going to improve what needed.
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
What do you want me to say?” Josh Smith said in response to Drew’s comments. “I’ve said all along that we have some things that need to be cleaned up. That’s no secret. But it’s going to take more than one or two guys to do it. And we can’t just talk the talk, we have to be about it, too.”
This folks, coming from a guy you continues to shoot the ball when he is the only one in the arena that thinks he can!
Marvin wants out but nobody wants him.
T-Mac is just getting started stirring things up. We havent heard the last people.
Al is out for the season, the back up center is handicapped, one on the injured list and one they dont use.
The “Superstar” is suddenly and suspiciously ailing.
A PG who looks lost
A coach who is in over his heels and a GM thats more blind than Mr. MacGoo.
Then on top of that, the schedule gets worse. Stick a fork in them, this is the final run for the so called “Core.”
Scrate Up
February 21st, 2012
1:45 pm
Drafting Marvin Williams & Shelden Williams (the Williams suck brothers) tells everyone that the Hawks cannot evaluate talent.
Joe
February 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
Marvin, “you ain’t gone yet”? Can I help you pack? The worst #2 pick in NBA history. Wake up, you have no value and won’t start on any other team!
ryan
February 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
We drafted Paul Gasol then traded him passed on Chris Paul now it blowing up in ASG face this franchise is a joke .
Scrate Up
February 21st, 2012
1:47 pm
You know, the saddest part is that at the time the Hawks drafted Marvin Williams (SF) they needed a point guard and had 5 small forwards (SF’s). Now what imbecile decides to draft another small forward when you need a point guard and Chris Paul and Deron Williams are available ?
moboman
February 21st, 2012
1:51 pm
The same imbecile that drafts Shelden when we need another forward like a hole in the head.
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
1:53 pm
What do you want me to say?” Josh Smith said in response to Drew’s comments. “I’ve said all along that we have some things that need to be cleaned up. That’s no secret. But it’s going to take more than one or two guys to do it. And we can’t just talk the talk, we have to be about it, too.”
The words of Josh Smith folks. A guy who night in and night out thinks he is the best shooter in gym…What a joke!
Superstar JJ is a wanna be, has been but now franchise player for franchise that calls itself a franchise.
PG is lost without a clue. Backup PG playing like he just got in the league. 3rd stringer played better them combined yesterday. So basically they are back to not knowing who the PG is again.
A duck thats lost its quack and now walking even funnier!
T-Mac is just getting started. Got a feeling we havent heard the last from him.
A backup center with limited physical ability who tries but seems to be constantly in the way.
A coach and a GM who remind me of the Commissioner and the Chief of police from Batman who continually bumbles and stumbles their way through everything.
This team is done.
R. Royce
February 21st, 2012
1:54 pm
You wait and see-if Marvin is traded and plays for a good coach and then his career takes off-then who are the Hawks fans going to point to then. Don’t get me wrong-he’s been playin like crap for a long time-but with who? There are some players on this Hawks team-that would be playing better with another team under the right circumstances. Even Joe, yes-even Joe-played better when he was out west with Nash, Stodoumire, and the Matrix-in an offense with Mike D’Antoni. Marvin-as sorry as he is playing (I’m not defending him), would thrive in Mike D’Antoni’s offense or Erik Spoelstra’s offense, or Stan Van Gundy, or Doug Collins, Tom Thibodeau, Rick Carlisle, and even former coaches-Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and “The Telestrator”-Mike Fratello. You see where I’m going; wrong player? Maybe. Wrong Team-duh, yea. Wrong player, team, GM, owner? H 2 the yea-ah! Remember-if this team is broken up and major Hawks players go to other teams in playoff contention, then IMO-most all will revive their careers outside of this Hawks organization. Iso-Joe would be the only one who-after his contract expires-will retire a very rich man. That is why it’s paramont to see this team. Keeping this team in Atlanta? Well, that’s another chapter in another book.
CJCJ
February 21st, 2012
1:55 pm
Maybe Michael Jordan wants him and think he is box office for Charlotte. So I would trade Marvin to Charlotte for Kemba Walker or DJ Augustine.
OH NO
February 21st, 2012
1:57 pm
What will we do without Marvin? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Jimmy Crack
February 21st, 2012
1:59 pm
Trade Marvin for Kate Upton. Both bigtime busts, but at least Kate can play with a sore back.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
1:59 pm
LOL – does anyone get their shot blocked more than Marvin?
pointguardslim
February 21st, 2012
2:03 pm
No Marvin Williams, who was out due to a death in the family.
No Joe Johnson in the fourth quarter, that recurring tendinitis in his left knee flared up again.
No Al Horford, you know he’s out for the season with that torn pectoral muscle.
And no relief in sight for the Hawks, who lost again Monday, this time a 90-79 setback to the Chicago Bulls at the United Center in a game that produced far more tense situations after the action ended.
In what can only be described as calling his team out, usually reserved Hawks Coach Larry Drew lobbed a few shots at his team in the aftermath of their latest lukewarm effort.
“We as a team, sometimes, we come out and play with a sense of urgency; sometimes we don’t,” Drew said. “That’s something we’ve done this year. You can’t play like that.
“Nobody is to blame, but everybody is to blame. We all have to put ourselves in one foxhole and figure it out together.”
Drew’s words might have resonated with the media and may do the same with fans, but the locker room reception was just as lukewarm as the Hawks’ performance against the Bulls.
“What do you want me to say?” Josh Smith said in response to Drew’s comments. “I’ve said all along that we have some things that need to be cleaned up. That’s no secret. But it’s going to take more than one or two guys to do it. And we can’t just talk the talk, we have to be about it, too.”
————
Maybe it would be better to put Josh Smith as your glue guy instead of Marvin Williams. Just saying.
Runs the wing faster. Finishes stronger. Better Post Moves. Rebounds better. Start Ivan at PF and Zaza.
You’re 3 guard lineups are attrocious Drew. What happened to running? And you need your bigs to rebound so you can run. Josh Smith is too busy being sent to the boards and boxing out PFs to run the wing. we got Darkwing Duck running the wings, Hinrich jogging with no finishing ability, Joe isnt overly athletic.
Its funny according to draftexpress Marvin Williams has not developed an iota (outside of 3 pt range) and he is the exact opposite of Josh Smith.
The Hawks have another shot at getting their act together in New York on Wednesday, where they will get their first dose of “Linsanity.”
“It’s put up or shut up time for us,” Smith said. “That’s just where we are right now.”
pointguardslim
February 21st, 2012
2:06 pm
Jeff can you put up an article about the advantages of the Hawks moving Josh Smith to the small forward?
3dub
February 21st, 2012
2:07 pm
If I hear one of these loser Hawk players say “we didn’t come out with a sense of urgency” again, I’ll scream!!
Statick
February 21st, 2012
2:09 pm
Seriously, Marvin? Seriously? Dude, I never wanted you here as a Hawk, and if the Hawks could get something (anything) for you, I’d be the first to cheer your departure, but GET REAL. Live up to your contract or shut your pie-hole.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
2:10 pm
All that bum Marvin does is hang out in the corner behing the 3-point line – maybe if he tried posting someone up or moving his big butt he would be more involved in the offense.
Move Them To Winnipeg
February 21st, 2012
2:11 pm
Man….You know the Hawks have really hit rock bottom when Duck Butt wants out.
Dawglasville
February 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
Dear Marvin,
PEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAACE!
Most sincerely,
Atlanta Hawks Fans
JSS
February 21st, 2012
2:22 pm
Drive-by Hawks Blog! Toronto is beautiful this time of the year!
Delbert D.
February 21st, 2012
2:25 pm
Marvin, you’ll find that life is tough, living on the street.
SuperDuePer
February 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
BLOW THIS TEAM UP! Ownership couldnt look 1 fan in the eye & tell us that they believe this is a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM! Its a problem that has always plagued every team in this city but more recently the Hawks…mediocrity. Yes MEDIOCRITY. every owner in this city outside of Blank has been trying to make a champion out of spare parts & tried to make it seem like the fans dont see how cheap they are. I respect Blank for going out spending the money & trying to put a CHAMPION on the field. Every other team ESPECIALLY the HAWKS are content with first round wins, millions of dollars, and rap video cameos. Nobody wants to be great on that Hawks team. Joe has yet to take the reigns of HIS team. Josh has made great strides but he is a complementary piece (the entire team is filled with Robins who are ok with being Robin) where is the Batman? Who wants to be Batman…Nobody & as a REAL FAN WHO HAS BEEN WITH THE TEAM DURING THE 13 win seasons Im sick of this feeling that nobody on my team wants CHAMPIONSHIPS. EVERYBODY is more concerned w/ All-Star Games,bonus money, stats, minutes, & NOBODY is mad enough about losing to give consistent effort night in & night out. I’ve never commented on this before but as a fan who really wants to see a WINNER, I wish the players on this team wanted one as bad as many of the fans do! Am I The Only One WHO FEELS LIKE THIS???
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
Marvin Williams has played above average when given legitimate opportunity. Lets recall if you will:
6:00 PM ET, March 27, 2011
Marvin scores 31 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts against cleveland while playing 43 minutes (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: TNT
8:00 PM ET, December 16, 2010
Marvin scores 26 pts, 5 rebs, 1 asts against the Boston Celtics while playing 36 mins (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: SportSouth
7:30 PM ET, December 3, 2010
Marvin scores 22 pts in 34 mins against the Philly Sixers (Joe Johnson didnt play)
February 07, 2009
Marvin scores 29 pts and goes 18-20 from the free throw line against Charlotte (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Marvin is a victim of horrible coaching, lack of opportunity, and a management structure that doesnt know what to do with talent.
You dont draft a guy 2nd overall to groom him to be a role player. Kevin Durant (not by comparison of talents sake) is a prime example of taking a player that high and allowing him the opportunity to grow into the role. When Seattle chose K.D. they traded Ray Allen to the Celtics and got back great value for Ray and opened up the spaces and opportunity for Kevin to become what he is today.
Marvin wouldnt have become Kevin Durant but without Joe Johnson the Hawks would have a better team. I hope they trade Marvin to another team in the east and he destroys the Hawks after resurrecting his career.
IMHO
February 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
Has anyone seen a fatter a$$ on a professional basketball player? One rich lazy mf.
IMHO
February 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
@Hawksgoingbackward
“Marvin Williams has played above average when given legitimate opportunity…”
Nearly 500 games and 3 coach’s say you are an idiot.
SWAT Native
February 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
Marvin didn’t draft himself. Virtually every draft “expert” rated the top two picks in his draft as Bogut and Marvin; the Bucks took Bogut so it wasn’t a stretch for the Hawks to take Marvin. Everyone knew he was raw and would take some time to develop, but he was considered to have the most upside potential. It’s not his fault that CP3 and DWill turned into top 15 players. Marvin was actually developing nicely until he hurt his back (and that was why the Hawks resigned him). He struggled with a back inury for a few years and it obviously affected him.
As several other posters have noted, the Hawks never used him effectively in their offense. He finally got his back fixed, looked like he was on his way and the Hawks still didn’t use him right. Now he wants to be traded to somewhere where he can be used effectively. Good kid, never complained before, and did everything the Hawks asked him to do. I don’t blame him, and wish him well.
Marvin's Mishaps
February 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
It is kinda telling that when Joe Johnson sits then Marvin shines. Joe Johnson isn’t that much better than Marvin really. He just gets paid 3 times what Marvin does but doesn’t put up 3 times the production…
3dub
February 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
SWAT Native – it was a stretch to draft Marvin – especially when they were stocked with small forwards at the time and were weak at the point guard position. Poor decision, anyway you cut it.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
@ IMHO
Im not gonna feed into your negativity, but just respond with stats that I have already posted above.
When given a legitimate opportunity to play while Joe Johnson has been out with injury Marvin has played above average basketball. The stats dont lie.
You are correct that isnt a huge sample size but thats because Joe Johnson is durable and reliable at coming up short. If Joe wasnt around and you inflate Marvins numbers based on averages of when Joe wasnt around you would have a borderline all-star player (which is what Joe is) at half the price and the ability to surround yourself with more legitimate pieces like a Chris Kaman.
Then there are people like you who dont do such a good just looking past the obvious which is why you should apply for a job with the ASG. Lol.
Joe J Gettin' Paid $$$
February 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
Does anybody other than me expect more out of Joe Johnson every night ? I mean while other teams super stars score 30 with 10 assists and 9 rebounds we get like 16 7 and 4 from JJ. Either JJ gotta step up or its over.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
2:52 pm
“When Joe Johnson sits then Marvin shines”.
Why can’t they both shine? Look at OKC – Durant scores 51 – Westbrook score 40 – in the same game! Marvin is just not assertive enough – he needs to get in positions on the court where he can demand the ball – not on the wings waiting for a spot-up 3 opportunity.
Joe J Gettin' Paid $$$
February 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
I’d trade Hinrich,Marvin,Zaza,and draft pick today for Chris Kaman.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
2:54 pm
Marvin Williams has played above average when given legitimate opportunity. Lets recall if you will:
6:00 PM ET, March 27, 2011
Marvin scores 31 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts against cleveland while playing 43 minutes (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: TNT
8:00 PM ET, December 16, 2010
Marvin scores 26 pts, 5 rebs, 1 asts against the Boston Celtics while playing 36 mins (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: SportSouth
7:30 PM ET, December 3, 2010
Marvin scores 22 pts in 34 mins against the Philly Sixers (Joe Johnson didnt play)
February 07, 2009
Marvin scores 29 pts and goes 18-20 from the free throw line against Charlotte (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Marvin is a victim of horrible coaching, lack of opportunity, and a management structure that doesnt know what to do with talent.
You dont draft a guy 2nd overall to groom him to be a role player. Kevin Durant (not by comparison of talents sake) is a prime example of taking a player that high and allowing him the opportunity to grow into the role. When Seattle chose K.D. they traded Ray Allen to the Celtics and got back great value for Ray and opened up the spaces and opportunity for Kevin to become what he is today.
Marvin wouldnt have become Kevin Durant but without Joe Johnson the Hawks would have a better team. I hope they trade Marvin to another team in the east and he destroys the Hawks after resurrecting his career.
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
2:55 pm
The offense is run thru JJ. He’s option # 1. Marvin should be option # 2 since he plays like doo-doo.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
2:55 pm
@3dub
Because they both play essentially the same position, K.D. and Westbrook work because they compliment eachother much better than Joe and Marvin ever would.
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
T-Mac needs to tell it like it is. Don’t muzzle dat Dawg ! Lets him shout da truth. Let’s see JJ’s been unhappy for 3 years. Now T-Mac unhappy,Marvin unhappy,and J.Smith unhappy. I guess only guy happy is goofball Zaza ?
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
Teague,Green,J.Smith,Horford,Kaman. Let’s roll.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
@Hawksgoingbackward
You forgot to mention that Westbrook os much more assertive than Marvin – Durant takes more shots per game that Joe – but Westbrook always finds a way to get “his”.
IMHO
February 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
@Hawksgoingbackward
Clowns spend a #2 on 6′ 6″ potential. MW is lazy, plays no defense and is an average NBA player. You throw up 3 games, what about the other 450 games under 3 coach’s? The numbers don’t lie.
Marvin is a bust who can be replaced at 1/2 his salary.
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
Ain’t that T-Mac that Marvin’s missing a dunk over ?
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
In the picture ?
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
That’s not T-Mac
Raw Dawg
February 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
I know some dudes at the local school yard that are 6′6″ that can miss layups,not rebound,and score 9 points off 3 for 12 shooting that would play for $25,000 a year…
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
3:07 pm
“Ain’t that T-Mac that Marvin’s missing a dunk over ?”
LMAO. “Missing”….
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
3:09 pm
What about JJ,Zaza,Marvin for Gasol ?
SWAT Native
February 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
@ 3dub – Again, Marvin didn’t draft himself. You can’t blame him for that. You’ll laugh at this too, but at that time the Hawks thought that Joe Johnson would play point guard for them.
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
okay Larry Drew, just run the offense thru Marvin tonight and tell him to show us that he can be “THE MAN”. Put up or shut up.
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
3:13 pm
well SWAT, no matter what team drafted Marvin or what team he plays for today he is not a star or even nearly a star while CP3 & Deron are.
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
I’d trade ‘em all (JJ,J.Smith,Zaza,Teague,Marvin,Hinrich,Pargo,T-Mac,Ivan,etc.) for Kobe then call up D-league scrubs. They’d stand the same chance at winning as they do now…
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
@SWAT Native
I remember that plan for Joe to play the point – just stupid. And I’m not blaming Marvin for getting drafted # 2 – good for him. He also managed to play “well” enough to get a new contract.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
3:19 pm
@ Sharp Shooter X
Nobody is saying that Marvin would be the star that CP3 or Deron is. That train has left the station, its admitted that a mistake was made there.
The question is how to get the most out of Marvin. The reality is that Marvin has produced give the opportunity. If Joe wasnt here its more than possible that Marvin could produce number around 17 pts per game with 7 rebs and 2 or 3 asts, Which is exactly what we are getting from Joe (sans the rebs) but for 3.5 times as much money.
Its crazy!
@ IMHO
I didnt go back and find every game that Marvin played well. Your foolish for thinking that in 450 games Marvin hasnt had any other good games than the ones I referenced. And even with that being the case compared to Joe Johnson’s falling averages would the Hawks be worse with Marvin getting more shots at a third the price.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
3:20 pm
How about Marvin for D.J. Augustin straight up???
The Hawks get another guard to destroy and Marvin goes to play for a N.C. alum who will give him a true shot on a team that needs help.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:21 pm
@ Sharp Shooter X
I don’t think theJJ,Zaza,Marvin for Gasol trade would match up salary wise – not to mention that JJ and Kobe play the same position.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:23 pm
@ Hawksgoingbackward
There are countless games where Joe has struggled (facing double teams, etc) and the Hawks needed someone to “step up”. Where is Marvin during these times? Mr. Invisible.
Andrew Lipham
February 21st, 2012
3:24 pm
Horford, Hinrich, Marvin, Zaza, picks for Dwight and Turk
That is THE trade that needs to made soon.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
3:29 pm
@ 3 dub
Marvin has fallen out of favor in recent years with coaching. Not his fault. Coupled with the fact that he is playing on a shoot happy jump squad with no leadership. No one who should be getting shots is getting them. Hence T-Mac’s comments about playing time, Hence Josh shooting 3’s (still), Hence Teague still not being developed at critical points in the game.
There is alot wrong with this team that has nothing to do with what Marvin can provide when given a true opportunity.
Marvin isnt in the game in the fourth quarter, and you can make the argument that is partly his fault, but how can you really pass blame to Marvin with a management and coaching structure that tears apart everything that comes its way.
atlanta spirit are dumbies
February 21st, 2012
3:29 pm
by giving joe johnson all that money, they have created a mindset in the organization that we will pay you alot of money for under acheiving because you feel you are a great player in your head. marvin you will never make this type of money again!!!! get in the gym and do 6 hours instead of 1 or 2. & stop drinking joe’s cool aid and looking at his paycheck and feeling like you need to make more. your stats in relationship to your paycheck say who you are. GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!
DHD
February 21st, 2012
3:29 pm
The NBA started?
Josh W
February 21st, 2012
3:30 pm
Dwight does not want to come here. He will.be in the same position he was in in Orlando. He wants a Kobe or a Derron to play with. Not a Teague or Johnson. And at the time of the draft werent we set with decent PG’s at the time? So its easy to make hindsight judgments but Marvin def should not have been #2 overall.
SWAT Native
February 21st, 2012
3:31 pm
@ 3dub – actually, in those situations, Marvin is usually sitting. See why he wants to be traded?
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:35 pm
@ Hawksgoingbackward
I’m not blaming Marvin for all the Hawks faults – but, if he has fallen out of favor, why would you invest in him and re-sign him as they did? Also, he knew his role when he re-signed – don’t start crying now.
tyger
February 21st, 2012
3:37 pm
STOP BASHING MARVIN MORONS…
You are going to scare the other teams away…
I am Marvin’s biggest fan and value his game…
Points alone, do not tell Marvin’s story…
Marvin cannot exert himself stuck in the corner deferring to Big Pass Joe…
I hate to see him leave, every championship team needs a Marvin…
However, the cost is too high…#2 Overall Pick/ $7.5M extension…
The expectation is greatness, upper echelon, Allstar…
And we all can honestly say, that has not occurred…
The 6′9, 230, versatile F can defend, play multiple positions and shoot the 3…
That has value…he is smart, coachable and fundamentally sound…
Has a champions pedigree but was never given the green light here…
It’s worth mentioning that when JJ is out, Marvin’s avg. increases exponentially…
But to be fair, JJ is not the reason Marvin has not blossomed…
Marvin is not the Nique-esque player we envisioned…
Yes, the metrics are similar, but Marvin doesnt have the agility, explosiveness…
Nique was the complete package – long, athletic, explosive, agile, fast, quick, inside-out…
Marvin is long, somewhat athletic, can shoot the 3…
But cannot create for himself off the dribble…which is his biggest limiting factor…
Marvin is more apt to fall down rather than throw it down…
But in the right system Marvin can be extremely valuable…
He can defend the best athlete on the floor…James, Kobe, Pierce…
Stretch the defense with the 3, hit FT, and provide nice 2/3 options…
Celtics, Wizards, Cavs, Bobcats, Hornets, Spurs, Nuggets, Pistons
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:37 pm
@ SWAT Native
He’s sitting in those situations now because he hasn’t stepped up in those situations previously. I really think Marvin finally realizes he needs to move on and get a fresh start somewhere.
Josh W
February 21st, 2012
3:40 pm
Omg I appologize, we desperately needed a PG
3dub
February 21st, 2012
3:53 pm
STOP BASHING MARVIN MORONS…
You are going to scare the other teams away…
@ tyger
They are already scared!!
The Prez, and a member
February 21st, 2012
3:56 pm
MW to the Lynx for Maya Moore and Candace Wiggins…Oops wrong league…
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
4:00 pm
“Marvin is more apt to fall down rather than throw it down…”
And herin lies the problem…
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
4:01 pm
If they were picking teams (like school yard) out of every NBA player in the league Marvin would be picked last.
Sharp Shooter X
February 21st, 2012
4:02 pm
(: Marvin Williams as a Hawk
Marvin Williams not a Hawk
Truff Hurts
February 21st, 2012
4:05 pm
The Hawks are a mess. No leaders. No ownership. No direction. No coach. But they’ve got a disgruntled starter that puts up bench player numbers…
Truff Hurts
February 21st, 2012
4:06 pm
Jeff, what are your thoughts on fixing the Hawks ?
Felix
February 21st, 2012
4:09 pm
Even the Bobcats don’t want him. They already took a chance and lost their shirt on another overated UNC dud named Sean May.
Felix
February 21st, 2012
4:17 pm
I ain’t exactly one who admires the current ownership and management of the Braves, yet the Hawks ownership/management is so bad they make the Braves look like geniuses.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
4:18 pm
Hey Coach Drew – ever think about bringing Marvin off the bench? – he should get more opportunities with the 2nd unit.
Nator
February 21st, 2012
4:21 pm
as stated in earlier blogs, bust up this team. joe, marvin and al for dwight. sund, wake up! no one here wants to be a 4 or 5 seed (again) and lose in the first or second round.
3dub
February 21st, 2012
4:25 pm
@ Nator
joe, marvin and al for dwight would still leave the Hawks in re-building mode. Dwight is a beast and a good piece to build around, but he can’t do it alone.
Marmaduke
February 21st, 2012
4:28 pm
Marvin-
I don’t know where the “athletic” moniker ever came from because he has hobbled around since the day he got here. Bygones. Joe is such a loser, Josh Smith will never win a chammpionship. Ever. The fact that he is carrying our team is crazy. We have ruined another point guard in Teague. He looks so much more tentative now that the other jackasses told him not to shoot so much. Coach is a putz. Thats all you can say…just a putz. We need to do something or we will continue the trend of mediocre Atlanta teams that continue to sucker us with respectable regular seasons. I would rather suck for a year or two to have a chance at long term success. who is with me?
lee
February 21st, 2012
4:36 pm
trade with the laker for gasol,give them marvin and smith,put gasol at center move horford to his nature positon powerforwad, if not gasol then move them two and jj for howard,this starting five has had years to get it together and hasnt done it, they will always be a playoff team but not a NBA champion,i feel they really need to blow the team up and keep only teague and Horford,geat draft picks for them or get a true allstar player for all three like a Howard
heartofdarkness
February 21st, 2012
4:52 pm
Sounds like Marvin got an offer from the Greatest Show on Earth.
Joe Johnson should skip All-Star game for Hawks’ sake |
February 21st, 2012
5:12 pm
[...] The Hawks are on a slide. They lost more games in the past 10 (3-7) than they did in the first 22 (16-6). This isn’t completely unexpected. They’re banged up. They’re worn down. They’re starting to play some better teams. They’re missing their starting center (Al Horford) and his backup (Jason Collins), and this was an undersized team to begin with. It figured at some point that a 16-6 team would have a market correction. [...]
Kelvin
February 21st, 2012
5:13 pm
I will never understand us drafting Marvin Williams. We needed a point guard, we had two highly regarded point guards sitting there and we don’t take either one. Marvin Williams talent peaked in High School. He is nothing more than a role player and we are stuck with him for another two years.
Hawk to the Tawp.
February 21st, 2012
5:19 pm
If we trade him for a real SF, come playoff time we will be rockin. All this team lacks is a true SF. Anyone who thinks that C is our problem is a moron. Al is a top 3 center in the NBA behind Bynum and Howard.
Sleepy
February 21st, 2012
5:19 pm
Lucky that Jamal Crawford guy is not here anymore to hold back Marvin and his enormous potential .
LOL OMG WOW ROFLMAO
Hawksgoingbackward
February 21st, 2012
5:21 pm
Marvin Williams has played above average when given legitimate opportunity. Lets recall if you will:
6:00 PM ET, March 27, 2011
Marvin scores 31 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts against cleveland while playing 43 minutes (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: TNT
8:00 PM ET, December 16, 2010
Marvin scores 26 pts, 5 rebs, 1 asts against the Boston Celtics while playing 36 mins (Joe Johnson didnt play)
Coverage: SportSouth
7:30 PM ET, December 3, 2010
Marvin scores 22 pts in 34 mins against the Philly Sixers (Joe Johnson didnt play)
February 07, 2009
Marvin scores 29 pts and goes 18-20 from the free throw line against Charlotte (Joe Johnson didnt play)
The guy can play. Joe Johnson has been anointed the Alpha Male by management and coaching and no one else gets a real opportunity. Unless he is out.
Marvin is a victim of horrible coaching, lack of opportunity, and a management structure that doesnt know what to do with talent.
You dont draft a guy 2nd overall to groom him to be a role player. Kevin Durant (not by comparison of talents sake) is a prime example of taking a player that high and allowing him the opportunity to grow into the role. When Seattle chose K.D. they traded Ray Allen to the Celtics and got back great value for Ray and opened up the spaces and opportunity for Kevin to become what he is today.
Marvin wouldnt have become Kevin Durant but without Joe Johnson the Hawks would have a better team. I hope they trade Marvin to another team in the east and he destroys the Hawks after resurrecting his career.
ross
February 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
trade marvin and kirk to lakers for pau gasol. it works on the espn trade machine and pargo needs more playing time.
a fan
February 21st, 2012
5:55 pm
The hawks need a young smart general manager and tell rick sund bye bye and let him hire a coach who can help the hawks go in the right direction
alex
February 21st, 2012
6:20 pm
this is not about M.W. this is about ASG hired GM. they hired and kept don waddell and billy knight. end of story.
Ray
February 21st, 2012
7:36 pm
Please remember that these comments are based on a report that has not been confirmed. A lot of sports guys write about things that they haven’t confirmed; often based on rumors (No I’m not talking about Jeff Schultz). So let’s say IF he sad those things– he’s a fool and he owes us a rebate on his lackluster performance!
But whether he said it or not– this should be his last year in Atlanta. I think Marvin can play when he wants to– it just doesn’t seem like he wants to play 100 per cent of the time!
Lee
February 21st, 2012
7:44 pm
Move the Hawks to Seattle.
Real Tmac fan
February 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
Marvin Williams for Trevor Ariza or
Marvin Williams & first rd pick for Danny Granger
Pistol Pete
February 21st, 2012
8:23 pm
Bye Marvin! Go sell youself to another team with your over paid contract. Enjoy Atlanta you ain’t goin anywhere
John
February 21st, 2012
9:23 pm
Marvin needs to remain a Hawk. The Hawks have a good team that just needs to be Coached UP and Coached Right. LD did a wonderful job in the beginning of the season and even after Al went down. From what I can tell he is coaching scared. Coach and listen to your instincts…. If a player is showing a hot hand … roll with it until the other team stops it or it cools off. Keep the same defensive philospy and go to Marvin more.
as always… Nubian EYES are watching
Buford Pusser
February 21st, 2012
9:29 pm
Atlanta sports teams make me cry, There is no hope for this city.
Hawk fan
February 21st, 2012
10:08 pm
BYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe
February 21st, 2012
10:57 pm
Why do the dumbazz’s on this blog think any team is going to take either JJ or Marvin? Both are over rated and over paid. Trade them for some #1’s and let’s move on. This team ain’t going anywhere. BTW anybody need season tickets. Good price!!!!!!!
IceColdATLien
February 21st, 2012
10:58 pm
CJ just MUST be Marvin’s agent or mother (maybe both)… or maybe by “league” CJ meant the D-league.
David Smith
February 21st, 2012
11:18 pm
Marvin has done nothing but tease this city with his inconsistent play since we drafted him in 2005. If another team wants to take a chance on him they are more than welcome to.
Joe Wincze
February 22nd, 2012
12:09 am
I totally agree with getting rid of Marvin Williams but what’s the beef against Joe Johnson? He’s been pretty consistent and has won a lot of big games. His problem is he usually doesn’t get going till the second half.
GradyBABYinATL
February 22nd, 2012
12:48 am
First of all….why is he stll in ATL (oh I forgot!…look at the ownership). The Hawks & the organization is screwed up. I’m remain a Hawks Fan (I do have a sack ova my head)
High Yella
February 22nd, 2012
2:08 am
I bet Chris Broussard has a white mom
superiorblogman
February 22nd, 2012
4:02 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77s53us
Marvin and Josh for Monta Ellis, Biedrins and a 1st rd pick
Jarrett Storm
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
Dream Rumor – Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Hinrich for Pau Gasol, Luke Walton, Steve Blake.
Once Horford comes back, McGrady and Teague could be starting back court. Front court would be best in the NBA with Gasol, Big Al, and J Smoothe.
This would give the Lakers a BIG 3 of Joe, Kobe, and Bynum with Marvin coming off the bench to go along with McRoberts, Barnes, Troy Murphy. Hinrich could back up Fisher and be the defensive stopper @ PF the Lakers have needed for years.
Rick Sund – offer this trade now!
Jarrett Storm
February 22nd, 2012
9:29 am
This trade – I’d even take Artest if we had to instead of Walton. Time to build around Josh Smith, Teague and Big Al…I don’t care about playoffs this year – we can never win it all as we are now.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Jarrett Storm
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
Sorry – here is link – http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o6yq8k
Submariner683
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
The Hawks have drafted horribly over the last quarter century. Take out Horford and J. Smith their record is beyond abismal. I’ll give Jason Terry a nod as decent as well. The rest of their drafting history is arguably the worst of any franchise in any major North American sport. People have said that hindsight is 20/20 in regards to Marvin Williams. He was considered the #2 prospect that year, for some unknown reason. People saw potential in the freshman who was the 6th man on the national championship team. My arguement against that pick was that the Hawks had a PG need and not a small forward need. They had Josh Childress, Josh Smith, and Joe Johnson. I realize he’s a 2G but is pretty much the same body type as a SF. If there wasn’t a lottery, something I think is ridiculous to begin with, the Hawks would have had the #1 pick and would have picked Bogut that wouldn’t have been much better. At least it would have attempted to fill a need since C and PG were both needs. Sadly, I don’t think this pick was even in their top two in bad moves. The Pau Gasol, Lorezen Wright, and another player I can’t mention for Shariff Abdur Rahimm was worst. The fact that the Hawks gave up a #1 pick to get Wright magnified that. Giving up a player and draft picks to sign Joe Johnson because they were afraid that Phoenix was going to match the ludicrous offer was especially silly. No way Phoenix was going to match that offer and they ended up getting a couple of #1s and a serviceable player out of it. Well, he played nicely for one year at least. I personally think Sheldon Williams was a bigger draft bust than Marvin Williams, if that’s possible.
hawkfan
February 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
well since arthur triche said this story was false, there is nothing left here to say, marvin claims he never said that and to be honest who would actually think he would so at least tonight he has an opportunity on the big stage at MSG to showcase his “talents”
EBDAN
February 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
Joe must go. and Marvin can be traded to anybody for a second round pick of the NBDL draft. At least they will have potential. I think Marvin does an OK job for a Super Star price. Even on video games in season mode. The first thing I do is get rid of Joe and Marvin. And for the record… I miss Crawford…. both of them and best of all Arenas is still a free agent…. fot firgure. The Hawks have moves to make. They just won’t make them for some reason.
Just saying..
February 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
Salt in a wound that seems to never heal…
KevinM
February 22nd, 2012
3:16 pm
“Joe
February 21st, 2012
10:57 pm
Why do the dumbazz’s on this blog think any team is going to take either JJ or Marvin? Both are over rated and over paid. Trade them for some #1’s and let’s move on. This team ain’t going anywhere. BTW anybody need season tickets. Good price!!!!!!!”
The best suggestion that’s been heard around here in a long time…problem is, you’re only getting 1 #1 out of those 2 guys and it isn’t Marvin. How much did we get for Chills? A 2nd rounder and a TPE for the #6 pick in the 2006 draft? That’s is what is considered an official bust, so no one come on here and suggest we trade for Chills….did you see that matchup against PHX this year?
Our lame duck GM that has been around here 3 years has just ridden the mistakes that Billy Knight made and is getting paid as a basketball expert to resign mistakes we have made over the years.
Marvin is getting paid to play 1/2 of ball games right now….you think any other GM will accept that…..and if Sund comes out and says that Marvin is in his prime, well, that’s the kiss of death.
LawDawg
February 22nd, 2012
3:56 pm
We don’t even need to get anything in return, if he wants out, let them agree to nullify the contract. The Hawks save money and sever ties with this embarrassment and he gets to test the free market. Win win win.
Slimjr
February 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
2 trades in 4 seasons??
and botched the last one?
Poor Hawks fans..
Hey Marvin, KICK ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R. Royce
February 22nd, 2012
11:54 pm
27 minutes 0 points 4 rebounds. Come on dog! Marvin, you have no inside or outside game. You stole 7 mil bro.-be happy as you is nappy and get the hell on.
jay
February 28th, 2012
4:03 am
I would have passed on Marvin Williams with the 2nd overall pick just for the fact that he looks like a weirdo.
jay
February 28th, 2012
4:05 am
Hawks should have kept Josh Childress if they were looking for a career backup.