Scholarship guarantees, early signing would curb oversigning

Never said they weren’t, Dean. I said the rules need to be changed. I’m not surpised though that your reading skills are lacking.

Thanks for playing.

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you Tech and Dawg fans need to just go cry to each other. you can’t beat anyone, you can’t win championships, and want to nit pick everyone out there. Facts:

1. JT had a serious Knee Injury
2. Bama was THE ONLY SCHOOL TO STICK WITH HIM (where was UGA/TECH? huh? answer that losers)
3. Bama has not pulled his scholarship, just told him he can sign with 2013 – sounds like they are continuing to stick by this kid to me – give him time with a real school’s rehabilitation program and he could end up having a great career.
4. you all think Saban is some kind of rule breaker, when you can’t even tell me or anyone else what rule he bent or broke. the author is “spinning hard” to try to get this to sound like oversigning.

point is – where are the other schools that want him? if they do, let them ask him for his signature – Bama still wants him.
as a fan, I still want him. I hope he sticks it out. he may just be the next heisman trophy winner.

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TUSCALOOSA, Alabama — Missed the celebration in New Orleans?

No worries. Alabama will host a party for its 14th national championship at 2 p.m. today inside Bryant-Denny Stadium.

DAWG FANS……………………The only parade tou will go to is a holiday parade. LOL

And the RICH get RICHER !!!!!!!!

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If my fellow Homer’s understood the T J Yeldom pick up by Bama over Allbarn, they would know what a NO Brainer call having the injured boy wait a little while, and have a chance to play for a real team like Bama, not the Dwags. Come on Homers, quit wetting your diapers over envy. It’s sad.

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When did this become an article about UGA? Jeff Shultz, who wrote this article, doesn’t even like UGA. So you, Jaw Jaw Homer, are a pinhead.

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The Factor
Maybe you failed to read the 300 other comments by your homer Dwag buddies, all anti Saban, pro continued loser Dwag status, in the Atl Urinal and Constipation aka Jaw Jaw Homer toilet paper Arf Arf

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Jaw Jaw Homo, you are a juvenile retard

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Why did all the Georgia fans go into hiding? Kinda funny after Cummings got arrested the Dawg Nation goes into panic/excuse/recovery mode.

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Tide!

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Just don’t get all of the anger from UGA fans towards Bama. All of this anger must come from pinned up frustration because UGA has only won 1 NC. Bama and UGA are not rivals except when it comes to recruiting inside Georgia’s borders. Bama has played Penn St. more in the last 30 years than either Georgia or Kentucky and Bama and UGA is a matchup yet to be seen in a SEC Championship game. Bama’s football brand has a built in advantage like Kentucky’s brand does in basketball. For anyone that doesn’t think so, go look up all of the all-time numbers. Here’s a hint: They aren’t anywhere close. Bama has 14 NC’s, and UGA has 1. What a fair fight that is!

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You have no clue what oversigning is, Richard.

Troll Tide!

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George Stein

January 21st, 2012
4:49 pm
You have no clue what oversigning is, Richard.

So in a very words, No,,you have no real idea what oversigning is, unless you use the liberal whining version of the altered definition.

I doubt very seriously if you have ever been part of a college football program, and it is apparent you have not being a UGA fan who in all reality has not been relevant in years.

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2011: Title #14

2012: Title #15

Bama’s loaded going into 2012—Saban’s reloading with more superstars. Bama beats Oregon for the title next year!!!

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Not a liberal and not a Georgia fan, Charlie.

You totally miss the point of oversigning. The issue isn’t having more than 85 on scholarship. It’s that you take 25 (or 32) a season. Multiply that by four and tell it equals 85. Using Bama or LSU or many other teams in the SEC not named Georgia, Florida, or Vanderbilt, it will.

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Seriously, Factor. It’s like dealing with children here.

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Paul in NH

January 21st, 2012
5:20 pm
“Has Nick Saban or Les Miles ever had more than 85 Scholarship players on campus as allowed by NCAA rules?”

The answer is NO – they have always managed to get down to 85 players by the beginning of Fall semester. They have months from NSD to tell current players that they are not going to get on the field and may be better off transferring.

See you are wrong again. At no time has Nick Saban or Les Miles had more players on Campus than 85. Which is the rule, not how you want to interpret it.

George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:23 pm
Not a liberal and not a Georgia fan, Charlie.

You totally miss the point of oversigning. The issue isn’t having more than 85 on scholarship. It’s that you take 25 (or 32) a season. Multiply that by four and tell it equals 85. Using Bama or LSU or many other teams in the SEC not named Georgia, Florida, or Vanderbilt, it will.

So please name the date that Alabama or LSU had more than 85 PLAYERS. You cannot because it never has happened. You apparently take the word of some bloggers or writers who have now followed the Big 10 MEMO to cry foul over scholarships that are totally made up.

The funny thing is that during the past season Alabama had 83 players on scholarship. 83 and that was a fact. But people like you do not do their homework and realize that 5 players who committed last year were known academic casualties before national signing day and would be required to enroll into Junior College, graduate JC and hopefully transfer back in. The second item was that 4 players opted out of football to focus on graduation and were not “run off” like you WANT to believe.
Add to that the fact that WITH 4 Early departures to the NFL also allowed MORE scholarships to be offered.

LSU had 82 players on scholarship and had 6 players give up football between the bowl game and the end of school. They had 3 players who were no longer physcially able to play football due to illness and injury. LSU also had 4 players leave early for the NFL.

What you do not want to face is the fact that coaches who actively monitor their program understand that making grades to apease the NCAA graduation rates and Academic standards. A player who is not making the grade, or a kid who thinks smoking weed is a higher priority is going to be forced to leave a good program.

Then you have some good kids that want more playing time.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/05/demetrius_goode_transfers_to_n.htm

“I would like to thank my Alabama family for the greatest journey of my life,” Goode wrote. “I have learned many things and matured in many ways but everyday brings about change. Sometimes you have to move on to do better in life. I will be moving to North Alabama for football. RTR forever in my heart, the champion Tide, the fans that I will always love and never forget. I thank ya’ll for the support: ROLL TIDE ROLL. For life.”

Get some real facts before you buy the farm and fail with your hollow argument.

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2011- 26
2010-19
2009-20
2008-24
2007-23
2006-28
2005-17

2008-2011= 89 scholarships and does not include the redshirts left over from 2007 signing class of
23.

Losing argument for Georgia fans.

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Jeff Schultz Scholarship guarantees, early signing would curb oversigning
3:20 pm January 20, 2012, by Jeff Schultz

An early signing period would’ve prevented Justin Taylor’s disappearing scholarship. (AP photo)
One week after leading Alabama to its second BCS title in three seasons, Nick Saban reaffirmed that his commitment to winning isn’t necessarily rooted in a commitment to doing things the right way.

Saban informed Justin Taylor, a North Atlanta High School running back, that he was yanking his scholarship offer from 11 months ago. Eleven months ago. Never mind that Taylor was the seventh oral commitment for Alabama’s 2012 class. Nor that he was a good kid, a terrific player and hadn’t once screamed, “War Eagle!” This is the ugly side of college football that coaches hide between the disingenuous, “Don’t worry, momma, I’ll take care of your boy,” speeches.

The substance of a coach’s word morphs from oak to oatmeal when he finds a faster, stronger player.

This is a form of “oversigning” (or in this case overcommitting) in recruiting, a reprehensible practice we’ve banged on several times before. A coach will accept more commitments than he actually has scholarships to give out. His objective: To fix the scholarship numbers by coercing perceived underachieving athletes to transfer or accept medical hardships, thereby creating space to bring in better players. It’s the quickest route for a coach to lessen his own mistakes or shortcomings.

Forget that whole concept of commitment, four-year scholarships and the mission of college athletics. That went out with 8-millimeter film.

Saban and LSU’s Les Miles are two of the biggest abusers of oversigning. Saban and Les Miles also just faced each other for the BCS title. That’s not a coincidence, coaching talents notwithstanding.

With increasing attention being paid to this topic in the past two years, the NCAA and SEC (where some of the biggest abusers thrive) have attempted to curb the problem by lowering scholarship limits. But that isn’t nearly enough. Lowering the cap doesn’t prevent coaches from bending ethical borders to reach that cap. Case in point: Justin Taylor.

Georgia Tech athletic director Dan Radakovich believes, “For the vast majority of coaches, this is not an issue. Ninety percent of coaches abide by the rules and do things the right way.”

I agree. The problem is that the other 10 percent generally are the ones competing for championships.

The NCAA last week announced tougher sanctions against repeated rules-breakers (good), but it did little to close the loopholes on the oversigning issue. Here are a few things that would help:

• 1.) A coach can’t sign more players than he has slots available. If a committed player then fails to qualify academically, gets arrested or the like, that’s on the coach. Go sign somebody else. Every coach would be on equal ground.

• 2.) Scholarships are guaranteed for four or five years. Currently, it’s a series of one-year renewables.

• 3.) Football should have an early signing period, like basketball. If Taylor had signed his national letter of intent in February, it would be a binding agreement. Neither he nor Saban could pull a U-turn.

• 4.) The NCAA should form an impartial panel to oversee any athlete-coach disputes where there’s even the remote possibility of a player being coerced into leaving or becoming a medical hardship. Currently, disputes are settled by committees on the individual campuses.

Seriously, is there a panel in Tuscaloosa that’s going to side against Saban or in Baton Rouge that would go against Miles?

Georgia athletic director Greg McGarity, among those who has spoken out against oversigning, said: “I think if there were a body that was not a part of the institution, certainly there would be a more consistent ruling or outcome there.”

He said “there are pros and cons” to an early signing period, but that it also might help, noting it works in basketball, volleyball and soccer.

Of course, football coaches are against early signing. They like having the flexibility to renege on commitments and playing with numbers. They’re going to be against any rule that adds clarity to an issue and eliminates the gray, eliminates their ability to manipulate a situation and get an edge.

As McGarity said, “If a coach makes a mistake in recruiting, that’s not the student-athlete’s fault.”

If college coaches want that freedom, let’s call this what it is: pro sports. Sign players, cut them, trade them — and pay them. But if we’re trying to maintain some illusion that this is still amateur athletics, some safeguards are needed because coaches aren’t going to police themselves.

Previous columns on oversigning

• SEC didn’t go nearly far enough with oversigning

• NCAA has lost sight of its mission by allowing oversigning

• A word about oversigning (and revisiting Saban’s dance)

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..332 comments Add your comment01HAWK

January 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
JUSTIN TAYLOR is the one that DE-COMMITTED. He has a knee injury that needs to be rehabed. He can come in and rehab or go somewhere else. BAMA did not pull his scholarship………………….He decided he would not sign.

LinkReport this comment.DawgsandTechStink

January 21st, 2012
2:04 pm
you Tech and Dawg fans need to just go cry to each other. you can’t beat anyone, you can’t win championships, and want to nit pick everyone out there. Facts:

1. JT had a serious Knee Injury
2. Bama was THE ONLY SCHOOL TO STICK WITH HIM (where was UGA/TECH? huh? answer that losers)
3. Bama has not pulled his scholarship, just told him he can sign with 2013 – sounds like they are continuing to stick by this kid to me – give him time with a real school’s rehabilitation program and he could end up having a great career.
4. you all think Saban is some kind of rule breaker, when you can’t even tell me or anyone else what rule he bent or broke. the author is “spinning hard” to try to get this to sound like oversigning.

point is – where are the other schools that want him? if they do, let them ask him for his signature – Bama still wants him.
as a fan, I still want him. I hope he sticks it out. he may just be the next heisman trophy winner.

LinkReport this comment.Paul in NH

January 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
“give him time with a real school’s rehabilitation program and he could end up having a great career.”

Wouldn’t he have to be a scholarship athlete on campus in to be in the rehabilitation program? And hasn’t he been specifically told that he won’t be an SA in Fall 2012?

LinkReport this comment.01HAWK

January 21st, 2012
2:43 pm
TUSCALOOSA, Alabama — Missed the celebration in New Orleans?

No worries. Alabama will host a party for its 14th national championship at 2 p.m. today inside Bryant-Denny Stadium.

DAWG FANS……………………The only parade tou will go to is a holiday parade. LOL

And the RICH get RICHER !!!!!!!!

LinkReport this comment.Jaw Jaw Homer

January 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
The squeeky clean Dwag program would never stoop so low as to mislead any little boy. Even if he blew out a knee and the Mr. Football changed his mind from going to GT to Jaw Jaw. That would take having a brain and understanding the rehab time.

LinkReport this comment.Jaw Jaw Homer

January 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
If my fellow Homer’s understood the T J Yeldom pick up by Bama over Allbarn, they would know what a NO Brainer call having the injured boy wait a little while, and have a chance to play for a real team like Bama, not the Dwags. Come on Homers, quit wetting your diapers over envy. It’s sad.

LinkReport this comment.SOUTHGADAWG88

January 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
With the money college coaches are making these days the pressure is very high to continue to stay on top.College football already has a semi-pro feel to it at the BCS schools as it is.Asv long as the big conferences are getting billion dollar tv contracts this is not going to stop.

LinkReport this comment.The Factor

January 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
When did this become an article about UGA? Jeff Shultz, who wrote this article, doesn’t even like UGA. So you, Jaw Jaw Homer, are a pinhead.

LinkReport this comment.pros and cons to everything. for both parties

January 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
I actually like the one year renewable format for scholarships.
I believe it does and should allow for a school to add a different player should something happen on the players part.
Honestly, no kid is losing a scholarship unless he’s done something very wrong on his part.
Of course there may be exceptions that can be pointed out. But, it is very few on the grand scale of all division 1 teams.

LinkReport this comment.Jaw Jaw Homer

January 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
The Factor
Maybe you failed to read the 300 other comments by your homer Dwag buddies, all anti Saban, pro continued loser Dwag status, in the Atl Urinal and Constipation aka Jaw Jaw Homer toilet paper Arf Arf

LinkReport this comment.King of Southern Football

January 21st, 2012
3:19 pm
Your jealousy is duly noted….A new generation of Furman Bishers at this rag of a newspaper

LinkReport this comment.You’re an idiot Jaw Jaw

January 21st, 2012
3:31 pm
Jaw Jaw Homo, you are a juvenile retard

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
3:33 pm
Georgia was banned from a couple of campuses for withdrawing scholarships. One being

Carver of Columbus. Those of us here in Columbus realize certain things happen and some scholarships are not honored, as well as every school has boosters who shake hands, give bonus benefits, and recruit players without the school or head coaches knowledge.

UGA fans do not dare think it does not happen at your program. The reason most defenses coaches do not wish to coach at UGA is due to recruiting. Your Head Coach is so driven by offense that it took a 6-7 season following 2 previous seasons before the understood that defense wins.

Today one of your starters get arrested for domestic violence and unless someone with some Connections( which we all know happens) from Georgia, he under law will have to do some major service and or minor time in the Klinker.

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
3:39 pm
Why did all the Georgia fans go into hiding? Kinda funny after Cummings got arrested the Dawg Nation goes into panic/excuse/recovery mode.

LinkReport this comment.Jaw Jaw Homer

January 21st, 2012
3:42 pm
Truth hurts SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. When I say ROLL, you say TIDE

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
3:55 pm
Tide!

LinkReport this comment.Richard Ray

January 21st, 2012
4:03 pm
@George Stein No sir, I am afraid you are wrong, if you read my “rant” again, you will see i am not talking about over signing (NO SCHOOL does that, it is against the rule, you can only sign 25 a year up to 85 total, anything more then that you can put toward the year before class, if the enroll in January. or Grey Shirt them (asking them to sit out a year so you can sign them.) I said all schools, ALL SCHOOLS, offer hunders of kids. Knowing they will not get them all.

Lets take the ESPN 150, almost everyone one of those kids were offered by every school in America. So lets use Ohio State, lets say all these kids got together and sets lets play together and every single one of them accepted the scholarships, then what. Just from an hour of research I can see where Ohio State offered well over 150 kids. Now we all know they had no shot at some of them, but it got there name out there for future kids, but still….

Now back to my rant…

Over signing is a made up phrase by reporters bloggers etc…. no team has ever done it…NO TEAM!
I know that you may be getting caught up in this, and I know that some people hate the LSU’s of the world. (Alabama and Auburn as well) but the truth is none of those three have ever had more people or signed more people then they were allowed…samantics you may say, not really. The NCAA gives you a chance to sign to the previous years class, we all know this, it is within the rules, so i sign 25 kids 7 enroll in January my signing class this is is… you get the piont.now what the sites are doing is taking that number adding it to the previous year (i think Alabama had 21 last year, 5 of which enrolled early, but you once again get the point. All I am saying is no school has ever had more then 85 “signed” players. or more then 25, that counted that year. But it gives us a chance to discuss this I guess.

Now when I said the direction AMerica and our youth is heading. Have you read some of these post, They act like Nick Saban murdered and destroyed this kids Family. Why not look at it this way, The young man blew out his knee,and Nick Saban is going to give the young man a year to recover and still honor the offer. WOW what a great man, now i dont believe that either but it is all perspective, I am not a bama fan, but so much hatred is going to such a wonderful program, GREAT school, and terrific coach, hard not to wish them the best, I hope they win the next 10.

LinkReport this comment.realitycheck

January 21st, 2012
4:44 pm
Just don’t get all of the anger from UGA fans towards Bama. All of this anger must come from pinned up frustration because UGA has only won 1 NC. Bama and UGA are not rivals except when it comes to recruiting inside Georgia’s borders. Bama has played Penn St. more in the last 30 years than either Georgia or Kentucky and Bama and UGA is a matchup yet to be seen in a SEC Championship game. Bama’s football brand has a built in advantage like Kentucky’s brand does in basketball. For anyone that doesn’t think so, go look up all of the all-time numbers. Here’s a hint: They aren’t anywhere close. Bama has 14 NC’s, and UGA has 1. What a fair fight that is!

LinkReport this comment.pros and cons

January 21st, 2012
4:45 pm
Early signing would be great for the elite prospects. If knucklehead rivals start throwing out offers earlier and earlier kids that get all starry eyed and sign with the first school don’t have the opportunity to decipher any upcoming offers. schools get sucked into throwing offers out for fear of being left out. Without doing due diligence. That does noone any good.
I would like to see a rule where no offiicial offer can be made till mid Dec. Then kid can have all offers in hand before making decision.

LinkReport this comment.George Stein

January 21st, 2012
4:49 pm
You have no clue what oversigning is, Richard.

Troll Tide!

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
5:01 pm
Question and answer truthfully:

Has Nick Saban or Les Miles ever had more than 85 Scholarship players on campus as allowed by NCAA rules?

The answer is No! Plain and Simple.

If you do not have more than 85 players on campus at one time you have not oversigned.

First you have to look at the word “sign”…meaning that a student athlete uses his personal signature to commit to a certain school. He must sign it first. Second, Oversigning is now used by Athetic Directors, coaches on other whining crybabies who do not have the fortitude to work as hard as their counterparts.

In reality they have changed the definition to fit their own needs and wants. The truth is coaches like Mark Richt are just lazy and use boosters and support persons to help bring in players. They are too lazy to do the leg work. One can pretty much guarantee the fact that if their school had an AD who is football driven they would make sure they outworked their counterparts in their league.

I bet if T. Boone Pickens was a UGA booster the program would be turned on its ears to keep up with the Big Boys in the league.

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
5:04 pm
George Stein

January 21st, 2012
4:49 pm
You have no clue what oversigning is, Richard.

So in a very words, No,,you have no real idea what oversigning is, unless you use the liberal whining version of the altered definition.

I doubt very seriously if you have ever been part of a college football program, and it is apparent you have not being a UGA fan who in all reality has not been relevant in years.

LinkReport this comment.The Factor

January 21st, 2012
5:18 pm
@Jaw Jaw Homer,
Since I have to lower my IQ standards to communicate with someone like you, here goes. Up until my post there have been 322 comments, mostly by the same 20 – 30 people. So, from this standpoint alone, you are a pinhead with your facts and likely did not even attend (academically) Bama. For as low as their entrance requirements are, from reading your remarks, I don’t even think you ever attended a community technical, post high school institution. If I am going too fast, read slower, or get you bloodhound to read it for you. By the way, it’s Saturday. Getting drunk again tonight. Yeehaw!! Like I said, this article is not about UGA.

LinkReport this comment.Bama Title Town

January 21st, 2012
5:20 pm
2011: Title #14

2012: Title #15

Bama’s loaded going into 2012—Saban’s reloading with more superstars. Bama beats Oregon for the title next year!!!

LinkReport this comment.Paul in NH

January 21st, 2012
5:20 pm
“Has Nick Saban or Les Miles ever had more than 85 Scholarship players on campus as allowed by NCAA rules?”

The answer is NO – they have always managed to get down to 85 players by the beginning of Fall semester. They have months from NSD to tell current players that they are not going to get on the field and may be better off transferring.

LinkReport this comment.George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:23 pm
Not a liberal and not a Georgia fan, Charlie.

You totally miss the point of oversigning. The issue isn’t having more than 85 on scholarship. It’s that you take 25 (or 32) a season. Multiply that by four and tell it equals 85. Using Bama or LSU or many other teams in the SEC not named Georgia, Florida, or Vanderbilt, it will.

LinkReport this comment.The Factor

January 21st, 2012
5:27 pm
@Paul in NH

Well said for most to read, but you should have “dumbed it down” for others.

LinkReport this comment.George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:28 pm
Seriously, Factor. It’s like dealing with children here.

LinkReport this comment.George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:35 pm
In some cases, Paul, they tell kids they just signed that they can’t take them.

LinkReport this comment.Charlie

January 21st, 2012
5:39 pm
Paul in NH

January 21st, 2012
5:20 pm
“Has Nick Saban or Les Miles ever had more than 85 Scholarship players on campus as allowed by NCAA rules?”

The answer is NO – they have always managed to get down to 85 players by the beginning of Fall semester. They have months from NSD to tell current players that they are not going to get on the field and may be better off transferring.

See you are wrong again. At no time has Nick Saban or Les Miles had more players on Campus than 85. Which is the rule, not how you want to interpret it.

George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:23 pm
Not a liberal and not a Georgia fan, Charlie.

You totally miss the point of oversigning. The issue isn’t having more than 85 on scholarship. It’s that you take 25 (or 32) a season. Multiply that by four and tell it equals 85. Using Bama or LSU or many other teams in the SEC not named Georgia, Florida, or Vanderbilt, it will.

So please name the date that Alabama or LSU had more than 85 PLAYERS. You cannot because it never has happened. You apparently take the word of some bloggers or writers who have now followed the Big 10 MEMO to cry foul over scholarships that are totally made up.

The funny thing is that during the past season Alabama had 83 players on scholarship. 83 and that was a fact. But people like you do not do their homework and realize that 5 players who committed last year were known academic casualties before national signing day and would be required to enroll into Junior College, graduate JC and hopefully transfer back in. The second item was that 4 players opted out of football to focus on graduation and were not “run off” like you WANT to believe.
Add to that the fact that WITH 4 Early departures to the NFL also allowed MORE scholarships to be offered.

LSU had 82 players on scholarship and had 6 players give up football between the bowl game and the end of school. They had 3 players who were no longer physcially able to play football due to illness and injury. LSU also had 4 players leave early for the NFL.

What you do not want to face is the fact that coaches who actively monitor their program understand that making grades to apease the NCAA graduation rates and Academic standards. A player who is not making the grade, or a kid who thinks smoking weed is a higher priority is going to be forced to leave a good program.

Then you have some good kids that want more playing time.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/05/demetrius_goode_transfers_to_n.htm

“I would like to thank my Alabama family for the greatest journey of my life,” Goode wrote. “I have learned many things and matured in many ways but everyday brings about change. Sometimes you have to move on to do better in life. I will be moving to North Alabama for football. RTR forever in my heart, the champion Tide, the fans that I will always love and never forget. I thank ya’ll for the support: ROLL TIDE ROLL. For life.”

Get some real facts before you buy the farm and fail with your hollow argument.

LinkReport this comment.Paul in NH

January 21st, 2012
5:43 pm
George and The Factor
Don’t forget the justifications – “everybody does it”. “we win championships”. etc.

Another UGA excuse for not winning..

Do they play football in NH?

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Judging by his copy and paste skills, Charlie did have to work at it.

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Awesome, Paul.

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All you morons have to understand and take your rightful seat in the back. We are ALABAMA. We are who we are and we get what we want when we want, and that is that! Your schools don’t have enough pull with the NCAA, after all we are the TIDE and the NCAA rolls like we want them to roll and we say ROLL TIDE!!

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George Stein

January 21st, 2012
5:46 pm
Odd that you mention how many players Bama has had on their roster, Charlie, because there is one school in the country that doesn’t release their numbers. That school, if you’re interested, is the University of Alabama.

No one here has said Bama broke the rules. We have said that the oversigning coaches are unethical and that the rules should be changed. Paul answered plainly that at no time did Bama or LSU have more than 85 players on scholarship. However, Bama has signed 113 players the last four seasons. What do you think happened to those 28 over the 85?

Just to enlighten you, when you work for the SEC, and actually have family members on staffs at Vanderbilt, Alabama and South Carolina, volunteer time at Alabama, and currently have a 4th generation athlete at Alabama the truth gets out. By the way, just in case you are so uninfortunate to not know this, at the beginning of each semester, or quarter the AD signs a letter with every scholarship players name on it, with his student ID and the SEC reviews it, and turns it over to the NCAA.

As for the comments about reading, it was more directed as Georgia Stein, not Paul.

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“Do they play football in NH?”

Yes – but it is not as important as ice hockey. The Wildcats should be in the Ga Dome to show you what they’ve got in 2013 or so.
Not a good year in hockey but we did have a great game in Fenway 2 weeks ago.

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January 21st, 2012
5:50 pm
@Charlie

Did you even read Paul in NH’s comment? Based on this and the scattering of players prior to the end of August, he doesn’t have to name names and dates. What a hollow, scared request. Or, As George S said, they sign but just don’t take them. Seriously, if the Bama program is clean, why would you care if the attempt is made to clean the process up?

Are you serious. Get a clue, those who work in and around the league all know that the scholarship issues are a direct correlation to Title IX.

When there is something to clean up, it gets cleaned up. I can guarantee you this, there are about 15-20 Presidents and AD’s who work every day to take ANY advantage the SEC has in Football to reduce its dominance. It just so happens we have members inside our conference to now place additional rules to help in those Presidents and AD’s.

What you do not get is with all the whining and crying you guys are doing it makes you look weak and bolden to the failures around the Big 10. The advantage of having better weather in the south, and in California allow the SEC players to be outside and work together during the offseason, while the northern teams have to stay indoors and work. However, no one is saying a thing about the schools up north who do well in basketball who violate recruiting rules every year, and take full advantage of getting non qualifiers into school. Pick your poison, and understand the real picture is to hurt every school in south that plays football.

You ought to be more worried about the street agents who are selling athletes to schools like Miami, Oregon, and others. How about the issue of practicing more hours than allowed by Michigan.
Do you realize that for the first time in recent history there will be more Big 10 schools on probation at one time than there are in the SEC? Well until South Carolina get their sentence.

The final thing, is “Oversigning” is a word created by those who are losing the battle and or war.

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Jeez… the issue here isn’t who broke what rules. The issue is that there are no real rules governing this despicable behavior. Richard Ray – yes everyone offers way more than they actually sign… the issue is accepting a commitment and sometimes even a NLI and then telling the recruit “oops we oversigned… can you just wait til next year?”. That is what is being discussed here. Telling a recruit that we allowed you to think we were going to offer you a scholarship and then pulling it because we think another athlete will serve us better is what is being discussed. This sometimes even spills over to players on scholarship that don’t get renewed because the “team” needs extra numbers. Do your research.
4 or 5 year guarantees isn’t the answer. That invites abuse by the student-athlete. Scholarships should be treated like real contracts between the school and the student. Renewal should be based on measurable criteria. Did the student keep up with his studies? Did he make all of his work outs? And so forth… if those measurables are in place then the school should not be allowed to release the student-athlete and be punished if they do. This protects both parties. It isn’t wise to think that the schools are the only culpable party. Accountability has to be set for both.

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