Poll time: How should we define success for Falcons?
Brian VanGorder and Mike Smith have a lot to fix before playoffs. (Curtis Compton/AJC)
(Updated)
The Falcons tell us how that just making the playoffs isn’t good enough any more. So you wonder why they played one of their worst games ever under coach Mike Smith — Monday’s 45-16 loss at New Orleans — the night after they had clinched a postseason berth?
But let’s move on. The Falcons play their final regular season game against Tampa Bay Sunday. The game may or may not their impact playoff seeding and match-up. Nobody’s expecting an overly festive atmosphere in the Georgia Dome for the season’s final home game. (The only way the Falcons could host another game would be as a No. 5 seed if they faced No. 6 Detroit for the NFC championship. Not likely.)
Loading ...For all of the regular season success under Smith, general manager Thomas Dimitroff and quarterback Matt Ryan, the team has whiffed in the postseason. They’re 42-21 in four regular seasons, but 0-2 so far in the postseason.
So what qualifies as success this season? Here are the choices:
• Achievement: Making the playoffs. Breakdown: The Falcons are there for the third time in four years, which is unprecedented in franchise history. But the bar was supposed to be raised. Conclusion: Not good enough.
• Achievement: Win one game: Breakdown: This would be an improvement over the last two years. It would mean the Falcons had beaten New Orleans, New York, Dallas or San Francisco. There are varying degrees of difficulty in those games. But what should be kept in mind is: What was the expectation level before the season? Conclusion: Better, but still not good enough.
• Achievement: Win two games: Breakdown: This could be as difficult as beating the NFC’s two best teams, New Orleans and Green Bay, on the road. The easier end of the spectrum would be finishing as a No. 5 seed and Detroit upsetting New Orleans, which would mean the Falcons would need to only defeat the NFC East champion (New York or Dallas) and San Francisco. Still, it would be impressive. Conclusion: Winning two road playoff games, regardless of the opponents, would qualify as success.
• Achievement: Get to the Super Bowl: Breakdown: For this to happen, the Falcons would need to be far more physical and consistent than they’ve been this season. There has been no indication that is going to happen, but we’ve seen strange postseason developments before. Conclusion: Definitely something worth celebrating.
• Achievement: Win the Super Bowl: Breakdown: Honestly, if the Falcons can winning three NFC road playoff games, beating New England, Pittsburgh or any AFC opponent on a neutral field wouldn’t seem as daunting. Conclusion: Duh.
Those are my thoughts. What are yours? What do you believe qualifies as a successful season?
The poll is up and the floor is yours.
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Falconidiot
December 29th, 2011
4:32 pm
Blank guaranteed we were going to play in that Superbowl in Tampa, remember and still hasn’t delivered and won’t with these coaches. Coughlin, Cowher, Gruden, Fischer four coaches that may be available that have been there and know how to use talent. Ask your self are any of these coaches as mellow as Smith. The Falcons need a boot in the ass by a coach that is willing.
dirty bird counselor
December 29th, 2011
4:51 pm
let me tell you whats wrong with da falcons this team has no heart in playing hard each sunday they injoy losing to spot light team swhats wrong with this coaching staff we need coachs that like winning every game we need running backs getting first downs not slow tipping turner and new coachs in your face coaches and a quarterback with running heart and leadership we are tired of dirty bird excuses success starts with coaches
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 29th, 2011
4:52 pm
0-3 in playoffs.
Only stat that matters.
2004 is a long time to wait
dirty bird counselor
December 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
start firing coaches and sorry players that are here for da money but not to play hard they cant protect the dome from losing games are these players cowards in da flesh athur blank fire everybody and start over new talent on the field
CGD..
December 29th, 2011
5:14 pm
Arthur shooting Blanks!
He’s on a roll now.. two playoff wins in 10 years thanks to Dan Reeve brilliant football mind!!!!!!!
Hire Dan Reeve to take it all the way . Its apparent Rich McKay, Dimitroff, Coach Smith and Melt can’t..But great regular season wins.. a bunch of regular guys?
CGD..
December 29th, 2011
5:16 pm
Blowouts against the winners is a major coaching problem..GET IT???????????????
Biggest Falcon Fanatic
December 29th, 2011
5:22 pm
Has anyone besides me thought if getting Jack Del Rio as our D-coordinator is a possibility? With his ties with Coach Smith, this could be a great change for our defense.
DelorisWatkins
December 29th, 2011
5:24 pm
I know the falcons got EMBARRASSED on monday night against the saints, but some of the falcon player reactions after the game simply just made me want to throw up. One falcon player (who will remain nameless) said, I hope we face the saints in the playoffs because it is there where we will get revenge. Look, you just got slaughtered on national tv 45-13 and saints could have ran the score up to 70-13 if they wanted to. I believe that beating has FINALLY HUMBLED SOME OF THE PLAYERS becuase i noticed that Ryan and roddy white werent spouting off at the mouth like they normally do after a loss. Both are quick to sweep losses under the rug and then act as if they played great but made too many mistakes to win as opposed to the other team kicking their rear ends. WHATS SAD ABOUT THE FALCONS IS THAT THEY HAVE THE TALENT THIS YEAR TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL. I AM CONVINCED OF THAT. THE FALCONS CAN BE AS EXPLOSIVE AS, IN MY OPINION, THE FOUR MOST EXPLOSIVE TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE: EAGLES, PATRIOTS, PACKERS AND SAINTS. THE FALCONS CAN BEAT ALL FOUR OF THOSE TEAMS (NOT AT THE SAME TIME) SO THAT PROVES TO ME THAT THEY CAN BE WORLD CHAMPIONS. The Falcons problem is not physical. The Falcons problem is mental. Inside the falcons heads–they think they are doormats and continue to play like they are. The falcon players needs to see shrinks to clear their heads and their thinking. The Falcons feel INFERIOR to opponents and continue to play like it. The Falcons are much more explosive than they were last year—with rookie wideout Julio Jones leading the way. If the Falcons would concentrate on doing well on first downs–leaving them second and shorts and third and short-yardage situations–they would score more often and would outscore their opponents. There is a chance that the falcons will FLIP THE SWITCH like they did in the Jacksonville game and start playing like world beaters. Stay tuned—playoffs coming next.
Dick M
December 29th, 2011
5:34 pm
Let’s face the facts. Our Falcons just don’t have the horses to compete with the “winning” teams in the league. You need proof? Just look at the Pro-Bowl Roster. How many Falcons do you see listed? Enough said. Until we get some upper echelon players we are going to remain a mediocre team of lower tier personnel.
CGD..
December 29th, 2011
6:11 pm
Andrew Luck would be an upgrade?
cedrick
December 29th, 2011
7:53 pm
Okay, you have made some good points. If the coach can have the team “PREPARED” to play and win big games. Matt Ryan has not won a substantial big game yet in his career and Coach Smith has not proven he can out class any team better (record wise) than the Falcons. These have been some disappointing Falcons this year!!
ATL = loserville
December 29th, 2011
7:58 pm
“winning season” = success
the reason THE ATL = loserville
Draft Luck
December 29th, 2011
7:59 pm
sell the house, give away a bunch of players and picks and draft A. Luck—dump ryan and get some Dline help. Ryan is mediocre and will not win playoff games.
Nerehere
December 29th, 2011
8:20 pm
A response to D. Orlando Ledbetter’s article on the Falcons ground attack missing.
Here are some excerpts:
Taking note of the low rushing outputs, the coaching staff underwent a running-game system-check this week. They also want to run should they have to play outdoors in cold weather.
“We’re going to be getting on a plane and going somewhere, so we want to definitely make sure that we have a real good feel for our running game,” Smith said.
Turner, who had offseason groin surgery, is not one to make excuses.
“My health has nothing to do with it,” Turner said. “It’s just the way the games have been going the past couple of weeks. In a game like New Orleans, you want to keep them off the field as much as possible, but we weren’t able to do that with the way the situations turned out in the game. But we do need more production out of the running game.”
Turner would not point to the offensive line when asked if there are holes to run through.
“That’s kind of like a trick question,” Turner said. “We just need more consistency with what we are doing and get to our good plays, our good looks that we want to run and just keep running them. Just get better at what we are doing and get our chemistry back.”
Here again, the question is: why is M. Turner being so demure when talking about issues on this his team? Part of the problem is himself, part-his O-line, and most of it rest on the coaches.
Point #2 Here we have a question about the lack of the running game directed toward the coach, Mike Smith.
His response of “We’re going to be getting on a plane and going somewhere, so we want to definitely make sure that we have a real good feel for our running game,”
This kind of response indicated to me that Mike Smith has no contro, nor no idea of this teams demise and function because-that kind of response- is likened to me asking a person inside a department store who is umbrella-less when it’s raining cats and dogs outside if they are going to bring their or purchase (if they didn’t bring one in with them) an umbrella to use when they head to their car in the parking lot. That response by Mike Smith should be elected into the “come on man!” hall of shame.
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 29th, 2011
8:33 pm
If Blank fire Mora after 3 years when he took the team to the Championship
game and their last playoff win, just imagine what will happen when Smitty and
CHOKE FAILS for the 4th straight year.
Time for the next Great Hope project
Damn it seemed so easy to win a playoff game without Vick…………
HA HA HA
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 29th, 2011
8:37 pm
@CGD
Remember how cool it was when Reeves/Vick went in the snow and stuck it to Favre
when no other traditional (code word) drop back passer was smart enough to figure out?
Remember how awesome it was when Mora/Vick stuck it to the Greatest Show on Turf
with a 40 burger
Oh the memories……………………
CHOKE got any memories in the playoffs?
Oh that PICK 6 before the half was classic
That safety vs the Cardinals was HILARIOUS
flatsdawg1
December 29th, 2011
9:14 pm
Falcons ran into a team that discovered a real good running game to complement Mr. Brees better than Marino passing attack. Scary stuff indeed. The thing about the NFL is when you play a team three times in a season and throttle them in the previous game, you tend to lose one of them especially against a good team like the falcons. If they end up playing the Saints I will be betting on the Falcons.I think NFL pride comes in to play.This playoff run is the falcons to take honestly they can go as far as anyone in the NFC.
JSS
December 29th, 2011
9:42 pm
That pee-shooter (the Falcons offense) can’t hang with the real nuclear weapon offensive teams in the league… They are just overmatched…
JSS
December 29th, 2011
9:52 pm
@ CGD and MCR…
The answer to earlier questions about the absence of the “Vocal” (I call them “Quorum”) can be found on the D3 Blog. They were hiding out there… I see they started showing up but in the columnist blogs earlier today… And if one of them lies and says he was doing something else, just check the time stamps on his posts in the D3 blog… The savor continues…
CGD..
December 30th, 2011
12:44 am
A HA! Great find my Dear Watson!^^^^
Yea the 20th century renaissance man did mention something to likes of being busy doing something else when he came out of his rabbit hole today in response to MCR.. LMFAO!
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:11 am
@ CGD…
He “defeated” everyone…
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 30th, 2011
1:12 am
@CGD & JSS
The “Motley Crew” led by Mrs. Charlie (CHOKE’s biggest cheer leader) are COWARDS, plain and
simple.
It is so easy to talk trash about their CLOWN of a leader, but conventiently disappear when they
have to face the music.
I knew what Charlie was up to when I called him out before the start of the Saints massacre. He tried then to make an excuse that he would not be on the blog because he would be at the game
with friends, yet when he showed up from is RABBIT HOLE that he had other things to do.
He performed a similar Houdini act prior to another CHOKE melt down
That tells me all I need to know. He is just like CHOKE’s critics – he talks a big game, but in the end
he knows CHOKE is a FRAUD
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 30th, 2011
1:26 am
Mr Charlie
December 27th, 2011
3:14 pm
1. 2-6 against Payton, not 2-8.
2. Agreed.
3. I was calling JJ a bust, but that is not really fair. However, the “one play away” philosophy never works. As I said on draft day, name one “blockbuster” all for trade that has ever worked out.
4. As it stands now, I would agree, however, as I said last night, in the grand scheme of things, the game was somewhat meaningless. So, before we decide that coaches need to be fired, I believe they should be evaluated after the playoffs. It we make noise in the playoffs, this game is a footnote if not, this game is a catalyst for change.
5. Bad calls for sure, untimely penalties.
6. That is what they said about Leeman Bennett, and that exact philosophy led us directly to here.
7. Really the crux of our problems.
8. As I said, this win was more needed more for us than anything. But all pretty much gets forgivin and forgotten with a few playoff wins.
In summary, you are never as bad, or as good, as you think you are. However great teams show up for big games, and we have not to date. Fortunately, unlike last year, we do need to wait 9 months to take the field again, hopefully, we will get this taste out of our mouth much sooner. Time to move on, and like everything in life, is it now what happens, but how you respond.
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COWARD……………………
HA HA HA
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:33 am
And from 3:14PM to 9PM on the Tuesday 12/27 by the way… Page 1-5… Busy, busy, busy… And the other masterminds chimed in too… Geo, Trademark, the looney and deformed, A real gab fest! Still noticeably absent: True Falcon Fan, PB Orr, and your friend IJonathan…
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:47 am
Mr Charlie
December 27th, 2011
3:14 pm
“As I said on draft day, name one “blockbuster” all for trade that has ever worked out.”
“On draft day (April 30, 1985), the 49ers traded its first two picks for New England’s first-round choice, the 16th selection overall (the teams also swapped third-round picks as part of the deal), and selected Rice before, as some report, the Cowboys were intending to pick him. Rice was prized more highly by the USFL, as he was the #1 pick overall in that short-lived league’s 1985 draft.”
I guess Bill Walsh was just better in pulling off a “deal.” He only gave up 2 firsts for the person chosen as the greatest football player of all-time.
ShempHoward
December 30th, 2011
10:20 am
Dick M said, Our Falcons just don’t have the horses to compete with the “winning” teams in the league. You need proof? Just look at the Pro-Bowl Roster. How many Falcons do you see listed?
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I dont believe that for one second. Did you see the Jacksonville game? Did you see any weaknesses on the falcons in the jacksonville win? The falcons played awesome football for 60 minutes and could have beaten anyone on that night. Just because tony gonzales was the lone pro bowl selection–it doesnt mean that there are falcons that shouldnt have made the team. I can think of at least 5 other falcons that are deserving of pro bowl consideration. Julio Jones (rookie); Matty “Ice” Ryan (4000+ yards passing–WOW!!awesome); Roddy White (1000+yards receiving); Jason Snelling, Michael Turner, Brent Grimes, Harry Douglas and Eric Weems. Any of these other guys could have been voted on the team. If all these playmakers “come to life” at the same time in the playoffs—THE FALCONS CAN MAKE THE SAME RUN THAT GREENBAY MADE LAST YEAR–and win the superbowl. I’m expecting it and I hope you are as well.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
11:20 am
JSS, 2 picks for one is not blockbuster. Blockbuster is 4-5 picks for one. A Ricky Williams, a Herschel Walker, and now, a JJ, etc. Can’t name one.
And for all you detectives finding Mr Charlie on other blogs, I can’t help it if you have been so soundly beaten that all you can do is pretend to be me, then use them to prove something in your delusional world…but if I were you, I guess I would pretend to be me too, probably the bright spot of your day.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
11:24 am
Like I said, I was right about MV7 and the Eagles being losers, they could not even win in the worst division in football. I was right about Scam Newton not being able to lead his team to the playoffs his rookie year like Ice did,
So I am 2 for 2. My last prediction is the Falcons win a playoff game. Worst I can do is come up 2-3, and that is WINNING.
I feel like I am playing with house money…it is good loving among the mental midgets.
My Dawg
December 30th, 2011
11:26 am
The Falcon are taking notes from the Braves… Years of playoff runs , wait a minute, they did win a World Series.. The magic has yet to return although we saw a flickering flame last season and we started to get excited…The Falcons on the other hand , need to pick up their game and finish the season deep in the playoffs….
JSS
December 30th, 2011
12:09 pm
3 picks genius and moved up in front of his main rival for the player that he wanted. By the way, he used the swapped pick to parlay a pick in the following draft that turned into Charles Haley.
And again, you keep sliding around on your belly trying to deflect about Vick (your fall back position each time your team gets its hat handed to them). Next time, don’t go and hide in the cocoon of the D3 blog… Say what you want about MCR, CDG, or even someone like Hiram Saint; they are here “win, lose, or draw!”
And you better “feel” like “playing you with house money,” that is what the emotionally and socially bankrupt always have to fall back on… Wound licker!
SammySosa
December 30th, 2011
12:14 pm
I know that a lot of falcon fans are CRUSHED and feel down about the Falcons after such a devastating loss to the Saints last monday. But the fact remains that the New Orleans loss counts as only O-N-E loss and hasnt prevented the falcons from making the playoffs. Look, if the saints loss had stopped the falcons from making the playoffs, and if the loss had counted as five losses and our record suddenly went from
9-5 to 9-10. That would be cause for alarm. My God–look at what the Packers did last year. They BARELY made the playoffs and had to run off like 6 straight wins just to get in. FOLKS THE FALCONS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND THAT IS CAUSE FOR EXCITEMENT FOR THE TEAM AND THE FANS. ALSO, IN MY OPINION THE FALCONS ARE MORE TALENTED THIS YEAR THAN THE PACKERS WERE LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WE CAN BEAT EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE IF WE PLAY SOLID FOOTBALL FOR 60 MINUTES. I AM CONVINCED OF THAT. THE FALCONS MAY NOT CATCH LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE LIKE THE PACK DID LAST YEAR, BUT IF THEY DO–LOOK OUT–THEY WILL BE CROWNED CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD AFTER THIS SEASON HAS FINISHED. SO GET USED TO GANG. WHEN NEXT SEASON STARTS–EVERYONE WILL SAY, THE 2011 DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPION–ATLANTA FALCONS. HAS A NICE RING TO IT. GUYS GO OUT AND MAKE IT A REALITY.
JSS
December 30th, 2011
12:21 pm
And big bad blogger, put your keyboard keys to work… The next time you tell that lie: “I can’t help it if you have been so soundly beaten that all you can do is pretend to be me, then use them to prove something in your delusional world…but if I were you, I guess I would pretend to be me too, probably the bright spot of your day.”
So you better be ready to back it up with some facts… I’ve told you weak minded a$$ before, “I have not, will not, and would not” steal anyones user-name. That is your 2nd time pulling that weak BS! You are a L-i-a-r! And every time your team loses, it just verifies that your poor choices are just that reflection… Try for strike 3… If somebody is stealing your tarnished and weak online moniker, hit the “report this comment” link. But of course you won’t do that, you certainly know why you can’t?
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
12:46 pm
Report the Comment? I could care less if someone uses my screen name, I know your first instinct is to run to mommy when challenged with a problem outside your weak paradigm. But personally, I think it is rather funny, especially since you and your sock puppets read, analyze and try to make sense of it all. Charlie=Winning.
JSS
December 30th, 2011
12:50 pm
“Blockbuster is 4-5 picks for one. A Ricky Williams, a Herschel Walker, and now, a JJ, etc.”
No, that is not a “blockbuster, it is desperate and stupid!
Trading two first round picks in the same draft and swapping a subsequent round pick was a blockbuster… Bill Walsh made it work… Ditka and that moron Mike Lynn didn’t!
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:00 pm
And while the man from fantasy island continues on his deluded quest (Charlie = Charlie Sheen Bat Crazy) “WINNING!” Here’s a link to the reality of the 49ers maneuvering that landed Rice. That is why won 3 more Super Bowls while teams like the Bengals and Falcons lag around with the Eddie Brown and Stacy Bailey….
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:01 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tales-from-the-Draft-Michael-Lombardi-s-Jerry-R?urn=nfl-233073
JSS
December 30th, 2011
1:03 pm
If you don’t care, then don’t lie… You’re weak Charlie… Trait, tired, and weak!!!
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
1:20 pm
Jerry Rice was not a block buster on so many levesl.
SF move up half a round in 1 and run 3, and gave up a two. So it we 3-2, but move up in two round. Pretty fair
2nd Jerry Rice did not qualify for a blockbuster because people hardly knew who he was.
The entire blocbuster concept is to trade way too much for high profile guy that gets analyzed to death. There was very little reaction as I remember, just a huh, who is this guy, but they did not give up much, just a 2, but they moved up in 3.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
1:21 pm
If I cared, I would just use a different screen name like you do.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
That said, I don’t rule out JJ paying off one day. He has looked like a rookie, and WR is one of the hardest positions to learn on the NFL level. And even missing games and dropping high profile balls, his stats are not bad. So we can only watch….But I did not like the trade on principle.
JSS
December 30th, 2011
4:35 pm
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
1:21 pm
“If I cared, I would just use a different screen name like you do.”
Prove it lying b-i-t-c-h?
I dare you! And believe you me, your little innuendo campaign is a fraud just like you! You’re a l-i-a-r! Go to the AJC IT department and the Sports editors or Jeff Schultz and prove it… But keep putting that lie out there you cheap bomb thrower…
You’ve made enemies WAY beyond me… Your problem is that you slither around then when they come after your slimy alter ego, you disappear until think the heat is off… You’re a cretin!
JSS
December 30th, 2011
4:53 pm
2 of the 3 Goliath’s in the NFC were salivating at the chance to get Rice. The USFL made the “hardly anybody knew him” mystery player, the No. 1 pick of the entire draft! You’re an idiot Charlie, the only thing that scared people off of Rice was that stupid 4.71 40 at the combine. Ask Charles Dimry how accurate that work out was? He finished 9th in the Heisman voting! You’re a an idiot!!!
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
You gotta call games, that is like stealing my name, you are just outta logic and rational arguments…Winning….
Rice was not a blockbuster, was just another draft day trade, happens every year…. barely a peep was made. Again, another “blockbuster” characteristic is the trade would include a top 5, or a top 10 pick max.
A 32, 64 and a 96 for a 16 and a 48 is hardly anything to call “blockbuster”
Again, IT department proves nothing, I have two different tablets, and two different laptops, hell I even have an old desktop hooked up in the basement that might work…..Your a stupid stupid little man.
JSS
December 30th, 2011
5:52 pm
“Again, IT department proves nothing, I have two different tablets, and two different laptops, hell I even have an old desktop hooked up in the basement that might work…..Your a stupid stupid little man.”
And what else are you doing? Pinging off of a Chinese spy satellite and Telestar? Sonny, the traffic bottleneck still has a traceable signature, ewhois you fraud. You’re a buffoon. You want people to be a shallow as you. That is why you “still” slithering around here (after you come out of hiding of course). Reading is fundamental, and whenever you use the words: “logic” or “rational” The Merriams & Webster and Roget all start spinning in their graves!
JSS
December 30th, 2011
6:05 pm
Wow, why does NFL.com call this so-call non-blockbuster deal the “No. 1 Draft Day Trade of All-Time?”
Ha ha ha ha!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80211e7b/Top-Ten-Draft-Trades-Jerry-Rice
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
6:09 pm
I am doing nothing, you are the one who asked me to check that IT department on you, so my point is the IT department proves absolutely nothing, most people have multiple internet access points now adays anyway…..
And for the record, I also announced I would NOT be on the blog for the Carolina game, and I did not show back up until that game was over too, not just when they started to win.
Sooooo, could it be my disappearing during the games in not your own insecurity, but a legitimate reason? Maybe I do bus tables at Chuckie Cheese, or maybe, as hard as it is for you to relate to, I do have actual human friends I watch the games with… Fact is, you will never know….Winning.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
6:13 pm
It was the greatest value trade of all time because they gave up so little, and got so much in return. A blockbuster is when you put up a lot (a least multiple number ones) to get a lot in return.
In this case, 49ers put up a relative small amount and got a big payoff, hence the Rice trade was the greatest of all time.
I did not say every freaking trade ever made was bad, ya maroon.
Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
6:23 pm
In round 1 Niners moved up from 28 to 16.
In round 2 Ninger gave up 58.
In Round 3 Niners also moved up from 84 to 75.
So really, the niners gave up the 2nd round pick to move up in both the first and third round. Pretty much a value trade. Trades like this happen several times every year. Blockbuster is going up into the top 5-10 and giving away the farm to do it.
In this case, the only game up the #2, but also got to move up in round 3 too. Classic Value trade. Yawn—winning.
JSS
December 30th, 2011
6:45 pm
Value trade phooey! They gave up multiple picks leaving them with only two picks… You’re a putz… And even that moron Ken Herok pointed out they were so myopic (kinda like you) they didn’t have as pick…
You can 80 IP address, but regardless of what have everybody go through the bottlenecks somewhere… The problem is you’re a liar. I told you to “prove” you allegations that “I’ve” stolen your user-name and used it on these blogs! That is beauty of Goggle Analytics (you’ve done a search somewhere). You’re fooling no one but yourself trying to deflect behind the “phony anonymity of the internet.” And every time you keep trying to lie and innuendo me with your smear campaign, I’m going to call you on it! You’re a
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Mr Charlie
December 30th, 2011
7:11 pm
2 picks huh? This is why I love messing with you.
You talk Jeff and Bradley like you are a peer, act as though you do your research, and take yourself all serious, and yes, even call people liars like you are better. But I just wear you to the nub, and expose you for the bogus troll fraud you are.
FACT is, they traded 28, 56 and 84 to 16 and 75. They gave a 2nd rounder, and moved up in 1 and 3, just like I said.
Below is the 1985 49ers draft. 2 picks, Go home, change your name again, JSS is a soiled band.
16 Jerry Rice
75 Ricky Moore RB Alabama
140 Bruce Collie T Texas-Arlington
168 Scott Barry – California-Davis
308 David Wood – Arizona
336 Donald Chumley – Georgia
Roosevelt Snipes –