Sex abuse scandals in sports likely to continue growing
Childhood sex abuse is the worst of any scandal in sports -- and it only figures to grow. (AP photos)
This is a different kind of scandal in sports. There are victims.
Steroids have exposed cheaters and diminished statistical achievements. Drugs and alcohol have ruined careers and knocked heroes off of pedestals. Recruiting scandals and academic fraud have reaffirmed the lost mission of college athletics.
But predators who molest young athletes — they ruin lives and cripple souls. It’s not about somebody trying to gain an advantage on the field or losing their moral compass. It’s about never having the compass. It’s being morally bankrupt. That makes this latest scandal to hit sports the scariest of them all.
What does it say when over 400 Penn State football players, rather than merely focusing on the 52 alleged counts of sexual abuse in the Jerry Sandusky child molestation case, seem more concerned about signing a letter in support of former coach Joe Paterno, who was fired amid perceptions that he did not do enough to stop his former assistant coach?
Heath Evans and his wife, Beth Ann, started foundation to help childhood sex abuse victims and their families. (HeathEvans.org)
“Their loyalty has become delusional,” former NFL fullback Heath Evans said. “Loyalty has crippled people’s judgment.”
Evans retired in August following a 10-year career, most recently with the New Orleans Saints (whom the Falcons play Monday night). He now runs the Heath Evans Foundation, which benefits victims and their families of child sexual abuse. Evans’ wife, Beth Ann, was a victim of abuse when she was in the third grade.
The foundation now has over 100 in active counseling and has
AAU fired president Bobby Dodd after allegations he molested two boys in the 1980s. (ESPN)
seen a recent surge in people finally coming forward about past abuse, likely in part because of several high-profile stories, including Sandusky, former Syracuse basketball assistant Bernie Fine, former AAU president Bobby Dodd (no relation to the former Georgia Tech coach) and long-time Philadelphia sports columnist Bill Conlin.
Evans said victims were slow to start contacting his foundation when it started in 2006 because, “People don’t want to talk about it. Ninety percent of the time victims know their predator, and they’re discouraged from speaking up.”
It’s happening more now. Brace yourself. More stories likely are coming.
Philadelphia columnist Bill Conlin retired after allegations he molested three girls, one boy, ages 7 to 12, in 1970s. (AP photo)
Two of the biggest college athletic programs in the nation – Penn State football and Syracuse basketball – have had major abuse scandals. Logic screams they are not alone.
“I think we’ll see more,” Evans said. “The good thing about what’s going on now with this situation is we’re turning garbage into gold. We’re bringing predators to justice.
“It can’t just be a coincidence that two big programs like this have had this come out. People are looking at this right now and trying to work up the courage to tell somebody about what happened to them. But some are thinking, ‘Well, there’s a statute of limitations [on legal charges] — nothing can happen to [the perpetrator]. The statute of limitations should never run out on sexual abuse. It stays with the victim. It’s like emotional cancer.”
Evans calls sexual abuse “an epidemic.” One out of every four girls and one out of every six males are victim of sexual abuse before the age of 18. Many of those cases occur in youth sports.
A presentation on the “Physical and Sexual Abuse in Sport” in Canada in 1999, quoting the U.S. Olympic Committee’s John Mair, said among those most at risk for abuse are young athletes “who take frequent trips or relocate frequently to be near coaches or authority figures.”
The report referenced a 1995 report from the University of Winnipeg that revealed 21.8 percent of athletes surveyed said they had sexual intercourse with “authority figures.” Of those athletes, 8.5 percent said it was forced, 20 percent said it happened when they were under 16.
Emotions fuel major college athletics. That causes some people to lose perspective. Evans said of the Sandusky/Penn State story, “The abuse and the cover-up didn’t surprise me at all. Joe Paterno being in the middle of it surprised me because of what we knew about his reputation. But if he had any concerns or just an inkling of what the grand jury report said, he was wrong [for not doing more].”
When accusations of Fine’s abuse of two former Syracuse ball boys came to light, coach Jim Boeheim initially accused the alleged victims of lying and extortion: “That’s what this is about. Money.” (Boeheim later backed off those comments.)
Evans’ response, “Those comments were a slap in the face for all victims.”
Chances are, we’ll be hearing from more of them.
You can help support the Heath Evans Foundation and win a trip for four, including tickets, airfare and accommodations, to the BCS championship game between LSU and Alabama. Go to HeathEvans.org for details.
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135 comments Add your comment
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
1:49 pm
“Evans calls sexual abuse “an epidemic.” One out of every four girls and one out of every six males are victim of sexual abuse before the age of 18. Many of those cases occur in youth sports.” Wow…
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
1:52 pm
I’m still taking the “innocent until proven guilty” approach with these high profile cases, Schultzie, for the record. I do think it’s concerning when so much of an avalanche has come down on both Fine and Sandusky without them having their day in court. Obviously, the nature of the crimes are incredibly sensitive, but there are rights we’re granted as American citizens when it comes to trial by jury, and if they’re guilty, I hope they’re forced to share bunk beds at a maximum security facility for the rest of their lives.
I just want the court system to determine their guilt or innocence vs. the courts of public opinion.
Jon
December 22nd, 2011
1:56 pm
We all need to pray for the victims and lock the predators up forever.
Mr Charlie
December 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
So, the techies named their stadium after a Child Molester? LOL
Runner-
December 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
Anyone who would for one second even consider Sandusky to be innocent is an absolute fool. Sure the law states “innocent until proven guilty” but the evidence is already so immense that there is NO WAY he is possibly innocent. Wake up people!! This man should never see daylight again
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm
Runner, the only eyewitness in the Sandusky case [McQueary] has visibly changed his story several times. I believe he’s guilty myself, but it’s not our place to judge him. The courts will do so in time.
Mr Charlie
December 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
My particular favorite harasser was Dick Hand, the Dekalb public safety commissioner. I mean, with a name like that, what do you expect.
Hankie Aron
December 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
Benjamin is right Runner, and Mr Charlie-grow up. That’s coming from a Dawg fan. You moron
Pooh Pooh Platter
December 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Sick of sanducky dawg
Mr Charlie
December 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
is it beyond the realms of possibility that someone could be falsely accused? I am not saying anyone of the examples are, but, there does seem to be guilty without the burden pro proof mindset here.
Jon Kontract
December 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
Sure – Sandusky deserves his day in court. That doesn’t mean that we as individuals should not look at the evidence and make reasonable judgements. There are more than 10 folks accusing Sandusky. McQueary has no clear motive to lie about what he saw. By Benjamin’s logic we should all believe that OJ was innocent. Furthermore, Sandusky’s lawyer impregnated a 17 year old when he was in his late 40’s.
It’s clear that many predators have used sports as a cover for their dispicable acts. The only way to prevent it from happening is for the public to be aware of some of the telltale signs. If nothing else, the Sandusky case is going to make people more careful about who has access to children that are not their own.
Herschel Talker
December 22nd, 2011
2:30 pm
Schultzie:
These disgusting animals should all be castrated and jailed for life. What a bunch of pieces of garbage.
HT
Joey
December 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Exactly, HT, castration should be the day after all trials/appeals.
UGABugKiller
December 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Sexual abuse and rape is worse than murder, especially when it happens to a child who has no idea in most cases that it’s wrong and do what they’re told to do by the abult abusing or raping them, no matter how feel.
With murder, the victim is blessedly free from their pain. Yes, they aren’t here and those left behind may suffer, but the victim’s suffering is over, and no matter what you believe about what or what doesn’t happen to someone when they die, that is a small blessing indeed.
When someone is sexually abused or raped, their suffering can be inifinite. Their suffering will likely last the rest of their lives. And those closest to them will suffer as well.
When it happens to a child, that child is irrevocably damaged, many becoming abusers or rapists themselves.
For the person who thinks these guys are “innocent until proven guilty,” well, I wonder if you would be so pius if they had done that to YOUR child. It’s always funny, the “innocent until proven guilty,” crowd… they have their heads so far up their own hindquarters that they don’t comprehend the fact that “not guilty” is NOT the same as innocent.
Those foul monsters may be found “not guilty” in a court of law, but they are not innocent. Not by a country mile. They are vile and evil and THEY are the kinds of people who deserve the death penalty.
But people like Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who voted against Louisianna’s law that made the rape of a child capitol punishment, they seem to think murder, but not the rape of a child, which leaves a living, suffering victim for the length of time that victim has left to walk the earth, is the only crime worthy of the death penalty.
I am a man who loves the Constitution, and I believe in due process. But these men aren’t innocent. And the only thing I want to do is find them, grab them, find a tall oak tree and see them dangle from the tallest, strongest branch until they’ve taken their last, pitiful breath.
Unfortunately, for Fine and Sandusky, the most I can hope for is that they’re accidentally introduced into GenPop in whatever prison in which they end up. A shiv to the kidney works just as good as hanging from a tree.
bear
December 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
these stories make me so mad. how can anyone do such a thing. once these nasty pieces of $hit are found guilty i say put them in a courtyard with all the victims and the victims parents and let them have there justice. prison is too good for them.
dawgfan
December 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Agreed Schultzie. The SEC commits a few secondary violations and its protrayed as the “win at all cost” conference that completely disregards the true mission of collegiate athletics. Meanwhile, its the Big 10 and ACC schools that are committing major violations and thumbing their noses at the rules. Penn State was so concerned about its choir boy image that it refused to report child abuse and Joe Pa was a part of it. Disgraceful.
Thanks.
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
All of that “fire and brimstone” castigations have gotten us exactly where in the course of human history? Right, absolutely nowhere… Treat the illness, the symptoms are just the course of the disease! (And “treat” includes incarceration) You’ve let people run around and snarling all of that vitriol and cheap theatrics won’t stop pedophiles. Only real attempts at putting safe guards in place, ending that silly “coach-savior” worship, and communities being held accountable for the failure to provide oversight and protection will be a starting point… There is no one true answer, just ongoing vigilance!
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
What if they are innocent of all charges?
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
Silly idiots, think a castrating a pedophile is going to stop their ability to violate people… Pedophiles escalate their violence with anything available to use as power!
Yosarian77
December 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
Apparently Benjamin, they are guilty regardless. I am amazed at how many people would rather consider someone guilty rather than receiving their due process. They are obviously not considering how they would want to be treated if they were put in the same situation. Of only all of us had the morality of the internet police……
wxwax
December 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
@ Benjamin ,
Why do you think McQueary is the only witness in the Sandusky case?
Do you dismiss all the victims who have come forward and will testify in court against him? Do they not count? Are they non-people because he molested them?
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Non-people? No. Again, I think Sandusky’s guilty myself, based on what I’ve seen.
But the court of public opinion is not [and cannot be] more powerful than the courts that protect ALL our rights, from Sandusky’s alleged victims to Sandusky to you and me. Things like due process and innocence before proven guilt and the right to jury trials and defense are what separate us from third world countries that would run people out of town and burn them in the countryside over allegations.
Let the process play out and then make your assumptions of guilt or innocence. None of us were there, and I’d be willing to bet that none of us have ALL the disposables at our disposal when it comes to knowing all facts of the case.
If he’s guilty, and proven so, I’ll drive the paddywagon to the most maximum security facility we can place him and throw away the key.
Reality Check
December 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
Do not know about the fine case. The only eyewitness is not McQueary. What about the 18-20 people who testified in court. If you are the vicitim I guess that makes means you are not an eyewitness? Wirh one or two you could always question motives but when you get over 10 people that say the same things happened you do not need much more proof to convict in court of public opinion. I think the death penalty should apply if the court finds Sandusky guilty based on the countless lives he has ruined.
Felix
December 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
I wish folks would calm down and let the justice system go through the process.
Remember the kid that was falsely accused of the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics and the Duke Lacrosse case. The media was convinced they were guilty before the real facts came out and the charges against them were completely bogus. The woman who accused the Duke Lacrosse players turned out to be mentally unstable, had a long criminal record, and currently is in prison for murder. I believe McQueary is the only eyewitness and he has been all over the place with his statements.
LawDawg
December 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
Benjamin: We have every right in the world to prejudge the case. To say that truth only comes out in Court is a misnomer insofar as a lot of credible evidence can be kept out due to the rules of evidence. Do you think OJ is innocent? I don’t either. Furthermore, the question in a court proceeding is not “innocent” or “guilty”, but rather, guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean not guilty.
Furthermore, the presumption of innocence is merely a legal presumption that attaches at the outset of a criminal trial until it is overcome by evidence (it only applies to the jurors and the judge). This is the most misunderstood thing in the world. For criminal proceedings Sandusky is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, this in no way constrains you or me or anyone else from presuming his guilt, and the evidence of his guilt is staggering. The guy says he showers with young boys and is attracted to him in the interview where he was DEFENDING himself for Chrissakes.
LawDawg
December 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm
Felix: Not sure you can call Richard Jewell a “kid” and that was a knee-jerk reaction to terrorism, not a logical view of the evidence. Watch Sandusky’s interview and tell me there is a chance in hell that he is not a pedophile.
LawDawg
December 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
Man, Penn State PR is all over this blog, huh?
wxwax
December 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
@ Benjamin,
Has Sandusky been denied due process?
If he has, I don’t see it. Hell, he’s not even in jail right now. And he lives right across from a school.
As for Paterno, it doesn’t matter whether or not Sandusky is guilty. What matters is that when he was confronted with evidence that a grown man was raping a little boy in a Penn State football shower, Paterno did the bare minimum. Sandusky doesn’t have to be guilty for Paterno to do the right thing.
Instead, Paterno decided he didn’t want to disturb anybody’s weekend. I wonder if that 10 year old boy’s weekend was disturbed?
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
The Duke parallel is a good one to make here, Felix. 99% of the people who were polled on that deal after it happened believed those guys were guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt, and they dealt with death threats and everything else before even getting a chance to tell their own stories.
Nifong himself belongs in prison for going to the lengths he took to push that case forward even as his case was crumbling, especially seeing that he was doing it for self-promotional purposes. The only individuals whose lives were ruined were those boys, and what do you tell them after all that goes down? “I’m sorry.”?
Also see Richard Jewell. Jewell really WAS a hero in 1996, and the thanks he got for his service were national shame and ignominy before getting a chance to tell his story. The stress from that took years off his life and made him an absolute societal pariah, and Eric Rudolph was hiding in the hills at the time, a free man.
We need to learn our lessons from those instances instead of running to the well every time an allegation comes out, no matter how founded or bulletproof it appears.
Duck a Fawg
December 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm
@ Mr. Charlie: you’re an effin’ moron…big man hiding behind his keyboard
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Paterno should’ve handled his side better, without question.
Sandusky hasn’t been denied due process in the court sense, but there’s a lot of ratcheted up anger against him – again, because of the nature of the crimes alleged, understandably so – without him being able to at least give his side of the story under the court of law. That’s the difference.
We’ll see how it plays out. Again, if he’s proven guilty, lock him away for good. But don’t presume guilt through media stories and Nancy Grace.
Herschel Talker
December 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
JSS:
You are a fool. Castration indeed works, as it removes the desires that drive this kind of behavior. Grow a brain, dude.
HT
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
Embrace your rights of due process and a fair trial people, and allow others that right, as well.
Otherwise, we’re chopping off hands under suspicion of theft in markets…
wxwax
December 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
@ Benjamin
If there’s one place Sandusky will get a fair trial, it’s in State College. Those people are near-delusional in their support for the football program, Joe Paterno and, to some extent, Sandusky.
What those people fail to understand is that their blind loyalty is what made Penn State’s secretive and corrupt culture possible in the first place. A little more skepticism would have served their school better.
If anyone needs to be worried about a tainted jury pool, it’s the prosecution.
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
Sandusky will not be tried in State College, wxwax. I’d be willing to bet my future retirement savings on that.
Joey
December 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
No, silly idiot, but castration, plus incarceration, will surely slow a pediphile down. What an ass you are . . .
Hillbilly D
December 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
is it beyond the realms of possibility that someone could be falsely accused?
Read up on the McMartin Pre-School case or the Duke Lacrosse team. It may be unlikely but it is possible. They get a trial and if convicted, then they deserve the severest of punishments.
These are troubling times we live in.
Duane
December 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm
Perhaps the letter says that Joe Paterno was a tremendous influence in their lives who molded them into men. Please remember it was Sandusky who committed the crimes, not Joe. Sandusky was a former employee when he was witnessed doing something in the showers with a boy in 2002, and Joe informed the appropriate people when told about it by the graduate assistant who witnessed it. Other than Sandusky, the person most deserving of criticism is the VP of PSU who seems to have covered up the incident.
Garyl
December 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Good article Jeff, I expect alot more to come out—just like with Eddie Long and Bishop Paulk, alot of kids and teens have grown up, married living a life and probably are embarrased to come out, for fear their wifes and friends would know. But in time, there will be more accusations and it will really surprise us who.
bad bob2
December 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
The media is great at closing the barn door after the horses have been long gone.
RiffRaff
December 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
I don’t see where anyone at Penn State really tried to stop Sandusky. Even Paterno. Sure it was reported, so we assume. Why was Sandusky still allowed back on campus and to use the facilities?? Why did the assistant coach not go to the authorities or confront Sandusky???? Seems like everyone turned a blind eye to the situation.
GoooDawgs
December 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Putting aside the items of due process and what not – regardless of whether these two people are guilty – I think that the core point of the Schulz’s post is that this has shown a lot of light on a situation that has been around for years at the amateur level. Think what you will about guilt of these individual people and situations, the University of Winnipeg study is damning: over 20% of youth’s ADMIT that they have had improper sexual conduct with an authority figure?! Regardless of the guilt or not of these two individuals/institutions’s, it’s shined a light on the prevalence of the problem in our country and I do hope it inspires more people to come forward to get the help & justice they need.
Rodster
December 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
From what I have read and learned about these various cases it looks pretty air tight for the prosecution, i.e. they are probably as guilty as everyone seems to think. But it is still America. Let the legal system do it’s job. There is too much vitriol being spouted on vents like this and in the news. I think Joe Pa is an arrogant a$$hat and didn’t like him prior to this situation, but honestly none of us really know what we would have done given the exact same circumstances.
Dagny
December 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Don’t forget Rennie Curran repeatedly beating up his girlfriend, the mother of his illegitimate kid.
He’s a real tough guy.
Benjamin
December 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
I agree with that, GoDawgs. The light on the issue is definitely there, and that part of it isn’t a bad thing at all.
Paddy
December 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Mr. Charlie…….you sir, are an idiot. This is no time for crude and tasteless jokes at the expense of the victims. Get a life little fella!
Poindexter
December 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
Please keep comments under 50 words. Must like to see yourself talk
Duh huh
December 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Wrong Bobby Dodd Mr. Charlie.
yo mama
December 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
jeff when are you going to get it right? stop the abuse of coach paterno. didnt your mom said two wrongs dont make a right? thats with the wrongs-1-sandusky, 2-blaming paterno for something he commit.
blame espn fool, they are the media outlet who went on a tirade about how the coach, who i will go on the record and say, did everything the policy handbook, the ethics code, and the commonwealth law of penn says. this media outlet created the havoc toward paterno. the 400 players were defending a victim. get that through your skull man. joepa is innocent, and should sue every media outlet for harassment(see Richard Jewel vs. national broadcast company). the fact that 3 weeks after the penn st story, espn runs a story about bernie fine. and airs tapes they said they had since 2003. cmon, there is the culprit right there, the friggining media!
why is this happening? its happening because when charges like these come up, prosecutors are skeptical they have enough proof, the kids are too young and wont hold up against questioning. so, there you have it, the real reason why many wont go after pedophiles: evidence in getting the conviction. sheer proof. when you go after someone with those types of accusations, the burden of proof in the bottomline.
if someone said, you committed a crime. your employer would have to give you the benefit of doubt. but since you are a public figure, you dont get that much lee way. please, please get it right about coach joe pa. he even admitted he wished he would do more. but he do what he supposed to do. arent cops, lawyers, columnists paid to do what they are supposed to do? coach is a coach, when there is a problem, indentify it, and report it to the superiors!
dang man, please learn the context i have presented to you, because you are wrong 100% RIGHT HERE.
IN FACT. GO LOOK AT GEORGIA HB 571. sonny signed that bill last year, that allows convicted sex offenders to have their name removed from the state list, and basically give them a pass. look it up, i have proof, evidence in one case where a sex offender is back on facebook because of this new law. go after the sponsors, those are the sick ones who sympathize for these offenders.
GO LOOK IT UP NOW!!!!!!!
Oily Rags
December 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
With regard to sordid sex details . . at least the Braves don’t have so much to worry about with their reputation for wholesomeness. No porn stars hanging with star players here. Hahahahahaha! We must ask Popeye . . . did she look like Olive Oyl?
Belcher
December 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Just make certain they’re put into general population in prison! Talk aout justice!!
Smoove Bee
December 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm
no … read the article Mr. Charlie … then try an honest comment on the story … you clearly did not read the article (I am assuming that it wasn’t an issue with comprehending what you read.)
Me
December 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
One out of six boys and one out of four girls molested as kids. I believe it. We live in a sick society full of sick people. I am a straight and masculine male, but was molested by my best friend’s older brother when I was 13 (he was 18) over 40 years ago. He was 6′4″ and I was about 4′8″ at the time by the way, very small for my age then. It didn’t “scar me for life” or anything but I can tell you that it can confuse a boy at that age. The guy today is living in Atlanta and is clearly a homosexual,but has been married to the same woman for decades (marriage of convenience). From the little I know of him now, it appears he still likes young males from what I’ve seen on his FB page. He gushes about certain ones on those talent shows, has little nickname for them. Still sick, no surprise.
Donna P.
December 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
The problem is our society has become jaded when these allegations come to light. In the past, some of the so-called victims have been liars in seek of money or the spot light. I don’t know what happened in these cases mentioned, I want to leave it up to the courts to decide these mens’ fates based on FACTS. I do feel sorry for victims of sexual abuse.
Bubba
December 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
Penn State = Perv State. We all know that now.
country
December 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
the reason for all this discussion going on now is that we have gotten away from our constition which in fact declares the need for a speedy trial….that comes from God Himself. Ecclesiates 8:11…if it is not executed quikcly…the hearts of men are given to do evil… v v
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JSS
December 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
Name the study? Not one study done since chemical or physical castration was tried has proven to work on pedophiles. It works on “sex offenders.” Pedophiles are power abusers, it has so little with the ability to use a pieces or gonads of flesh and hormones to commit the act.
Regarding the most infamous case of castration in Virginia of James Jenkins:
Quote: Mario J.P. Dennis, clinical director at the treatment center, said Jenkins had made marked progress but still needs to be confined for treatment.
“Castration does not completely erase sexual arousal or function,” Dennis said. “It doesn’t completely obliterate arousal, drive or the ability to commit a sex act.”
Simple minded people always look for simple solutions, look all of the money wasted on military style boot camps for prisoners… Take that “fool!”
Big Buck
December 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
@UGABugKiller
You got issues! Hanging from a tree? What country you think this is? Stupid name too.
2010 NATIONAL CHAMPS
December 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
Proud of you Mr. Evans for your foundation, War Eagle…
bamaguy
December 22nd, 2011
7:03 pm
This reminds me of the catholic clergy scandal. There are two separate “crimes”. The first are the crimes of the individuals who molested the children. They will be judged as individuals. The second, and completely different crime is the one of the institution who cared more about maintaining its public image than protecting children. While institutions can’t be sent to prison, they can be sued. When this is all over Penn State may not be able to afford a football coach.
Big Buck
December 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm
Nowadays with nobody taking responsibiliy for their actions, always wanting everything for nothing, hard to tell what direction this country is headed in. This guys still have their chance to prove their innocent, and if they end up guilty in the end, then they will be punished accordingly like any other in that position. Running your stupid mouth about you want to do this and that to someone is showing your ignorance especially considering you and none of us even know what really happened up there. So I speak for all here when I say shut ur pie hole UGABugkiller.
Call it like it is..
December 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm
If an older woman is with a young man. she is called a “Cougar”… Then, an older man is with a young man, is called a “Nittany Lion.”
Cindy Lou
December 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm
This whole story is ugly.
bamaguy
December 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
Unfortunately, if these two individuals at Penn State and Syracuse had been a chemistry professor and a janitor this would not even be in the news.
DSM
December 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
Chemical Castration does work, look up the drug triptorelin in it’s use for treating paraphilias… the problem is the ethics involved
Some people don't understand irony...
December 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
UGABugKiller
December 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
I am a man who loves the Constitution, and I believe in due process. But these men aren’t innocent. And the only thing I want to do is find them, grab them, find a tall oak tree and see them dangle from the tallest, strongest branch until they’ve taken their last, pitiful breath.
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JSS
December 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
You folks complain the about feeding poor children and the indigent elderly. And your going to in a realistic view offer up chemical castration using Triptorelin which has to be taken with “strict” doctors supervision? Seriously, and ask prison guards how much they are looking forward to looking after insomniac prisoners created by better medical science? Ask any prostrate cancer patient why they hate that drug?
Paul in NH
December 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
Jeff – you certainly picked a difficult blog subject for the beginning of Hanukkah. Unfortunately, I don’t doubt that we’ll be reading more stories about abuse of minors (whether male or female) by coaches and similar authority figures (usually male). The Sandusky case is just the latest (and to my mind worst) in an ongoing series.
oldbird
December 22nd, 2011
7:45 pm
Mr. Chalie, I am a UGA grad and I find your comment tasteless and tactless.
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
@ Paul in NH…
This Sandusky case is very bad… Still, it does not touch the US Figure Skating scandal… That one brought down the whole hierarchy of American skating. Have you ever read Bob Shoop’s “Sexual Exploitation in Schools?”
DSM
December 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
You asked for a study drug that is effective in treating paraphilias… Strict supervision? not that big of a deal. It requires an injection every 4-12 wks. I would assume that cancer patients hate most of the drugs they take, since they all come with pretty nasty side effects.
doggoneit
December 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
Old people still don’t get it! They never looked at child molestation as a crime. They should shoot Sandusky in the pee pee then let him rot in hell with Kim Jong!
doggoneit
December 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
sorry but thats just the way I feel about it!
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
Most treatment professionals discount its use because it is too expensive to effective on a large scale. No state will pay for it… You do that realize that Georgia for example is already overwhelmed trying to treat prisoners who are in-firmed? They can’t adequately keep up with with giving the right drugs to sizable numbers of HIV+ patients and the aging diabetics that they have. So you want to add on top of that a drug which means sending more prisoners and those on parole to list (they can’t go to prison doctors) who is going to pay for those? More bureaucracy for the 2nd worst run agency in this State. So do you use Court fines, go ask the Pardons and Paroles how well that works?
Paul in NH
December 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
@JSS
I haven’t read the Shoop book but I know that there are plenty of cases of sexual exploitation out there – it’s all about power. You mentioned the skating case but I think there have also been similar cases in women’s swimming and let’s not forget women’s college basketball.
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
@ Paul in NH…
I’ve been saying the same about the power aspect since the first blog back before Paterno’s firing. Unfortunately, the usual suspects come in with the trying to tie pedophiles with homosexuality instead of that issue… The LSU case (women’s basketball) was just such a case…
Hit A Single
December 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
It is a sickening situation, but I am afraid this crap has been going on in all areas of life for a long time and I mean way back in time. Now with the cable news, internet, facebook, and many more ways it is just hard to hide it anymore. No telling how many children have been abused over the last 200 years. But now maybe we can protect children and parents had better get their heads out of the sand and protect their kids.
Paul in NH
December 22nd, 2011
8:42 pm
@JSS
I read a couple of your posts about the power aspect and I agree that it is complicated, albeit nasty, issue. I’d forgotten about the LSU women’s b’ball case – I was thinking about the South Carolina one.
Paul in NH
December 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
Hit a Single
You hit more than a single with your last post.
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
@ Hit A Single…
Exactly and true…
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Yep… It is tip of the iceberg, that is the scary part of it… I just tend to come down more on the front end (how can we really protect kids and the weak & vulnerable who lured by the affection and attention aspects of pedophiles… The legal system can do its job, but that is going to require a lot of monetary resources. I’m sorry, but that is just not going to happen in the current political environment…
Paul in NH
December 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Prevention is way more important than anything else in this area.
phil
December 22nd, 2011
9:18 pm
Jeff:
Don’t just assume Tech should’ve whipped Mercer.
Bob Hoffman has something defensively this season, as you’ve just found out. They took Seton Hall to OT in Jersey on Sunday. The Bears can play for a smaller school.
Look into em a little….
I never told
December 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
Over 55 years ago I was molested by a family friend. He was in his 30’s. I was 10 years old. My parents let me go on a trip with this pervert and that was when it started. He would come over and ask my parents if he could take me to a movie. I attempted to make an excuse and acted like I didn’t want to go. But due to the fact he was always bringing gifts to everybody I was scolded for being selfish. My mom told me I should be his friend because he is so kind to everybody. And he was just lonely. I attempted to tell my older brother but he told me to stop being a brat. So I finally solved the problem myself. The pervert would always call before he came over. As soon as I heard he was comming over I would take off to a friends house or get a buddy to go to the neighborhood movie. He finnally gave up and I guess found another kid to molest. Last I heard he had moved to Flordia. I’m sure he’s dead by now and good riddance.
JSS
December 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
@ Paul…
I concur!
Alice
December 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm
If there were one accuser I would say there is a chance one is innocent. However, in Scumdusky’s case, with 20+++ (not counting the victims who have not, will not come forth) the hand writing is on the wall in all caps GUILTY!!! I pray for al the victims. Anyone that had any idea or suspicion of this is guilty and committed a crime by not yelling it from the roof tops until justice was served. There would not Be so many victims.
Goober
December 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
Remember that “dawgfan” is an idiot…
Goober
December 22nd, 2011
10:06 pm
Remember that dawgfan is in the same company of whom he passes judgement…
Larry
December 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm
Parents must always know where their children are and, as much as possible, everything about the individual(s) they are with…teachers, coaches, youth pastors, neighbors and their own relatives.
Certainly we can’t be overly protective, but we must hold ourselves somewhat responsible when we fail to protect our children due to adequate suspicion and Investigation. I have two daughters and I do everything imaginable to know as much as possible about anyone…ANYONE…they spend any appreciable time with. They are innocent, trusting and vulnerable; it is my job to protect them!
phil
December 22nd, 2011
10:25 pm
I never told – it may have been eons ago, but i’m sorry for what happened to you. My best.
phil
December 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm
Know where your kids are and who they’re with.
If it seems odd, it is.
Gene
December 22nd, 2011
10:30 pm
One positive effect of this issue ist that the administrators at Penn State have been charged and will hopefully spend some time in jail. This might make people in positions of authority act rather than stick their heads in the sand. Sadly, it took the Penn State horror story to raise the awareness of that at Syracuse and elsewhere. This is not Afghanistan, and we don’t need to mutilate or stone these criminals. Just put them in jail and keep them there.
Whatever happened to Chip Towers
December 22nd, 2011
10:47 pm
Mr Bug Killer are you speaking from personal experience when you say it is better to be murdered than raped? Murder is permanent and final while rape or molestation is bad it in no way compares to being murdered even if you have bad memories for a long time or the rest of your life. Put yourself in an alley with a bruiser and he gives you the choice of a few minutes of pain and suffering or having your throat cut. I am sure you would change your outlook if the situation arose. I know your intentions are noble but I disagree on which is worse. Give me liberty or give me death. I will choose liberty everytime. I also don’t agree with life imprisonment. Three to five in solitary confinement is plenty for most crimes. Anything worse should be capital punishment. No need to support someone for the rest of their life when they cannot live in society without doing awful crimes.
Whatever happened to Chip Towers
December 22nd, 2011
10:50 pm
Off the subject for a moment but why does Chip put a negative headline on his blog and leave it. He is making a living covering UGA so why does he feel it necessary to try to make them look bad? Just wondering.
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 22nd, 2011
10:53 pm
HA HA
Colt’s backup playing better vs Houston than CHOKE’S 50 QB Rating
Rocket
December 23rd, 2011
12:54 am
They are all Democrats and closet homosexuals… bank on it.
JSS
December 23rd, 2011
12:58 am
@ 12:54…
Yeah, like the great Ted Haggard!!! Geez…
Realistic
December 23rd, 2011
4:55 am
Molistation, just like any other crime is a big issue. Stuff happens. Its as bad as pople who run Wall Street that has, pretty much, ruined our ecomony. Let jut not ‘band wagon’ this issue just because its the topic now. Let’s not forget about all other crimes and lessen the grip on robery, bulgary and even our city and state laws that alow politicians get away with stuffing silly bills and laws down our throats.
Yes molistation is a big issue, bur please be careful not to overlook or forget about the other victums and what they go through every single day.
legionaire
December 23rd, 2011
6:39 am
Sandusky was taking showers with teenage boys. Is that not proof that he is a pervert. If Paterno and the AD had given a damn about the kid who was raped in the shower, they would have reported Sandusky to the Sheriff’s Dept making sure of a police report. They did nothing and now you have morons signing a letter of support for Paterno.What if it had been one of their younger brothers or sons that Sandusky attacked? 10 guys so far and counting. There will be more.
Doug
December 23rd, 2011
8:55 am
The focus here has been on sexual abuse. The brutality of physical and emotional abuse has to be considered as well. Coaches are allowed to mistreat athletes in ways that most professions won’t tolerate. Yet, it is seen as good coaching when athletes have to run until the puke, or get cussed out for dropping a ball, or belittled for making a mistake. Google positive coaching for further contrasts.
SG
December 23rd, 2011
9:25 am
Nice article Jeff.
Justin
December 23rd, 2011
9:39 am
@ Realistic
December 23rd, 2011
4:55 am
Molistation, just like any other crime is a big issue. Stuff happens. Its as bad as pople who run Wall Street that has, pretty much, ruined our ecomony. Let jut not ‘band wagon’ this issue just because its the topic now. Let’s not forget about all other crimes and lessen the grip on robery, bulgary and even our city and state laws that alow politicians get away with stuffing silly bills and laws down our throats.
Yes molistation is a big issue, bur please be careful not to overlook or forget about the other victums and what they go through every single day.
WTF?!!! What is molistation? The word is spelled “molestation”.
RedandBlackDAWG
December 23rd, 2011
9:45 am
They will have their day in court for sure. However, peoples opinions on here have just as much right to be on here as anywhere. After all, the case would appear to be very strong against the Penn. State guy, if they have let JoePa go, the former AD and a few other higher ups already. It would appear to me, that they have stoked the fire, more than any media outlet reporting this sad case could ever do.
Has our country reached the point where crimes like this are easily covered up, so that a team can play football, and maintain a image of a good clean upstanding university, at the price of those victims lives. The moral decay in this country is pretty sad.
CTG Punches Himself in the Face
December 23rd, 2011
10:03 am
Sorry. Thought this was the blog about self abuse scandals.
Jay
December 23rd, 2011
10:06 am
More legislation that is enforced could help, but it is toothless legislation unless The People clean up their acts. Whether it’s drugs, sex or any other illegal activity, the user must take responsibility. To note: The CDC’s recent report that one in four women is sexually assaulted has gotten little media play – nothing compared to Penn State’s scandal because that involved males being abused. Last week a University of Vermont fraternity published a “Who Would You Most Like to Rape List”? It’ll probably be a hand-slap for those silly college boys … being boys.
bulldog steve
December 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
“Their loyalty has become delusional,” former NFL fullback Heath Evans said. “Loyalty has crippled people’s judgment.” This is just proof that you can twist anything to make it into what you want it to be. Did he not read the letter? Is he just trying to throw a little media attention to his foundation, maybe raise a little money so he can put some more friends or family on the payroll? The letter did state compassion for the victims. Could Paterno have done more? Probably. Do we really know what he was told? No. Do we know what he did and what he was told by his superiors? No. Do we know if he followed up with his superiors about what was going on? No.
I think the only thing they were trying to do is save some of the good that Paterno has done during his time at PSU. Has Saban or Miles given millions of dollars back their schools? No. Did Miles give a scholarship to a player that was kicked off another team for molesting a female student? Yes. Does Saban over sign recruits? Yes. Are they worshiped by the masses? Yes. Why?
Give Paterno a chance to get healthy so he can have his say. He deserves that much.
bigdon
December 23rd, 2011
10:33 am
As a court reporter I have sat in on many child abuse cases in various superior courts. Believe it or not, some of these guys were guilty by ex-wife and step daughter. I saw one guy facting 20 get off because of that very same accusation of he “touched” me while in the pool. 20 years for that. Thank godd they jury knew it was bs and he was acquitted. I also saw a guy get 60 to serve for molesting a child with downs syndrome. Man, there wasn’t a person in the courtroom that wouldn’t have shanked that SOB including the judge. I’m sure he’s in prison pooping doughnuts now, if you know what I mean. If there’s a Santa, and most surely there is, our Christmas present will be the front page headline reading “Sandusky found dead in rancid hotel room with self-inflicted gunshot wound.” I simply don’t think a coward of this kind has the ability to face his multiple accusers and if he does and is sent to prison, you can bet your life that he will get “Jeffrey Dahmered” within a short period of time as there’s lifers in those places who have nothing to lose that have children and in many cases were victims themselves. wouldn’t be surprised if there was some kind of wink wink job with the guards and inmates alike about leaving a door unlocked or Sandusky unprotected for just enough time to get it done. Either way my friens you may be assured this guy is a dead man walking. Hell, it would be more dangerous for him to walk into a Wal-mart than walking into GenPop and there’s lots more folks with guns on the outside than the inside and if somebody capped him, I doubt very seriously a jury would convict the perpetrator of anything more than manslaughter. Folks, the world is full of these wackos, believe me. Every criminal calendar call just in my courtroom alone for one week has probably 20 percent charged with child abuse of some sort. That’s one court room in one courthouse in one county in one state. You do the math. I agree with making a law of capital punishment for child rape or in Texas “a hangin” offense.
UGA- ZERO BCS titles
December 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
Well of course there’s sex abuse and molestation. Sports is just a microcosm of life and there is a lot of this in general in everyday society. Duh. You think you’re saying something people don’t already know Jeff?
GAgirl28
December 23rd, 2011
10:37 am
Anyone that has ever been abused understands. I have seen the long-term effects on abuse both as a victim and personal friend of ones that were abused as children. Hence the reason I am so tight about when/where and with whom my children are left or go with. Stopping the circle of violence is hard but starts with educating children early about what is right and wrong behavior. Letting them know that it is okay to tell if something happens and to let them know that they are the victims.
steverino
December 23rd, 2011
10:54 am
@ UGABugKiller…”sexual abuse is worse than murder, especially when it happens to a child”. Really? I can understand your desire to be strident in your outrage against child molesters, but be honest. Worse than murder? Do you mean the untold thousands of survivors of this wretched crime would have been better off being murdered by their molesters? Your post reiterates that sentiment, many times over. What if it happened to YOUR kid(s)?
In your zeal to paint child molesters in the worst possible light, (btw, words come up short in this quest), you minimize or completely discount the majority of victims who go on to lead happy, productive, (and in many cases, emotionally untraumatized) lives. It’s a lot to overcome, to be sure. And no child should have to ever find OUT how difficult the recovery is. But it happens. To equate molestation with murder leaves no reason for molesters to leave their victims alive. According to your post, they are better off dead anyway. Given the advantage of reconsideration, I’m sure you will agree with me that as long as there is life, there is hope.
Misty From Macon
December 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
This comment caught my eye:
Benjamin:Runner, the only eyewitness in the Sandusky case [McQueary] has visibly changed his story several times. I believe he’s guilty myself, but it’s not our place to judge him. The courts will do so in time
I beg to differ Benjamin, it IS our place to judge someone who abuses children. It IS our place to judge someone who exploits children for their own sexual gratification and it IS our place to judge a person who thinks their sexual predilictions take precedence over someone else’s physical and mental stability.
Joe Paterno didn’t judge — see where it got him and see where it’ll get Penn State when they have to open their wallets and pay for turning a blind eye.
Misty From Macon
December 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
Wanted to give you a big congrats Schultzie on your story. I would also like to see a bunch of you sports writers push for sanctions by the NCAA against PSU.
If a school can get a sanction because a kid sold his jersey for a tatoo, then there is no excuse for PSU to go scot free for this atrocity.
Dick Hodgetts
December 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
We have seen child sex abuse within the Church and currently among sports programs, each episode seems to make us a bit more jaded about predators behavior toward our youth. I can’t help but suspect that Cheerleading may be among the next categories that we read about. It is such a subjective activity as to who is “best”, it has lots of men with immense power over vulnerable girls, and there seems to be a lot of parental pressure by some to see their daughters succeed in the activity. All this seems to my jaded view to make it ripe for deviant behavior. I hope my suspicions are without merit. But, I would be surprised if it does not make headlines someday.
Misty From Macon
December 23rd, 2011
11:03 am
steverino: In your zeal to paint child molesters in the worst possible light, (btw, words come up short in this quest), you minimize or completely discount the majority of victims who go on to lead happy, productive, (and in many cases, emotionally untraumatized) lives
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. You need to spend some time in a rape / abuse therapy group. To say, “in many cases, emotionally untraumatized” with a straight face to me says that you know nothing about it.
Perhaps if you were ever raped, you would change your mind about that sentiment of how “untraumatized” you were.
Misty From Macon
December 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
Could Paterno have done more? Probably. Do we really know what he was told? No.
YES — Paterno himself has stated many times what he was told — and has also said he should’ve DONE something then.
Do we know what he did and what he was told by his superiors? No.
YES — because it’s in every paper. Also you can google the grand jury indictment if you just don’t wanna believe what they print in papers.
Do we know if he followed up with his superiors about what was going on? No.
Then he should’ve TAKEN IT FURTHER. If it were one of his grandkids in that shower with Sandusky, what do you think “JoePa” would’ve done then? I bet it wouldn’t have been to wait a whole day before telling the AD.
RxDawg
December 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
““Evans calls sexual abuse “an epidemic.” One out of every four girls and one out of every six males are victim of sexual abuse before the age of 18.”
Oh puuuuuuuhhlease. What a load of bull. Call me naive but there’s no way I’m believing that stat. Of course, what they like to call “abuse” these days sure can be stretched. If an 18 year old dates a 16 year old they might call it abuse when it’s really far from it. I’m sensing some self rightous agenda’s mixed in with actually accomplishing some good.
Boys don't tell
December 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
RxDawg – Ok, you’re naive.
RedandBlackPeachy
December 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm
There is a legal burden of innocent until proven guilty. That is what is required to convict someone in the court of law. But there is nothing wrong with private citizens arriving and expressing their opinion based on what they know. So Benjamin, although you are correct and I support what you say from a legal basis, I also do not fault, and would not admonish, people from arriving at an opinion. You can’t stop people from thinking, analyzing and concluding because it isn’t convenient or because of the dictates of the legal system. Actually, innocent until proven guilty is a buzz phrase. The idea is that someone cannot be convicted without the People proving guilt. There have been countless cases (OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony being the most prominent) where juries believed in the guilt of the defendent but acquitted because of lack of proof. The idea is not to act on pure speculation; not that there is no place for speculation.
Jim Austin
December 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
I think its important to remind ourselves that it’s not just athletes that are victimized. Its childen in every walk of life, everywhere, that can be preyed upon by these sorry excuses for human beings. Perpetrators can, and do use any and every means possible to find vulnerable children. They attack the very values we instill in out children; values such as being polite to elders, do as they are told by elders etc. Perps exploit the realtionships children have, and then use those relationships to satiate their sinister desires.
As 1 of 200 men who appeared on Oprah last year, in an effort to get the issue of males being abused into the vernacular of today’s important issues, I can assure you that I have never, ever met man who would lie about being sexually abused. Never. To lie about this flies in the face of everything we experience as males growing up, and being men. We are supposed to be in control of our lives, including our sexual lives. To say otherwise challenges our sense of masculinity, who we feel we are, as men.
I applaud those who are coming forward now, and regaining their lives. That which was stolen can never be replaced. But being open about it, telling their stories, and getting the help or therapy that they need to feel better about themselves is a hell of a lot better then living with a secret that destroys lives and souls.
It was never my secret. It was His secret. The shame and guilt was never mine either. It was His to carry.I wasn’t an “athlete” either. I was a paperboy. I was the 1 in 1 in 6. To those coming forward, I say welcome to the rest of your lives.
Benjamin
December 23rd, 2011
3:57 pm
Misty, I want to respond to you, since you responded to me:
“I beg to differ Benjamin, it IS our place to judge someone who abuses children. It IS our place to judge someone who exploits children for their own sexual gratification and it IS our place to judge a person who thinks their sexual predilictions take precedence over someone else’s physical and mental stability.
Joe Paterno didn’t judge — see where it got him and see where it’ll get Penn State when they have to open their wallets and pay for turning a blind eye.”
—
Absolutely it’s our place to judge sexual miscreants that abuse children. You missed my point, though, apparently. Until it is KNOWN that Sandusky did what was alleged, and proven in court, I’m not going to condemn the man.
The court of public opinion + reports on Nancy Grace can be a dangerous thing, too. Scroll through the entire conversation to get full context of what I was saying…
JD
December 23rd, 2011
7:09 pm
Why not show support for Paterno. The man was thrown under the bus. Last time I checked he is not on trial. Schultz you are fool
steverino
December 23rd, 2011
7:13 pm
@ Misty from Macon…I chose the word “untraumatized” carefully, opting not to use emotionally “unaffected” or “unscathed”. Many do live without permanent emotional trauma. Trauma is a serious word.
Kirkyshooter (Ryan)
December 23rd, 2011
7:23 pm
First off, It is no more of an epidemic than it was before, second, kids are more at risk, much more at risk, in their own home than in a sports organization, or any other organization that takes place outside the home, that does not mean it does not happen, clearly, it does, but articles like this, calling it an epidemic do nothing more than “fear monger” the general public and get them all worked up.
Most of these “incidents” of alleged abuse are from times past, not saying it doesn’t happen today, but if you go far enough back into history, you can make it look like the world is falling down around our ears. To the person who said that most abuse victims go on to abuse, you are a fool believing in delusions. The fact that most people who abused were abused themselves is pretty much correct, but that does not equal that most people who were abused go on to become abusers. there is no statistical proof of abused becomeong abusers, in fact there is statistical proof to refute this claim. Not to mention, how many abusers falsly claim to have been abused to try and take some weight off themselves.
Take Theo Fleury for example, the guy lays the blame for most, if not all the bad choices and mistakes he has made in life at the feet of Graham James, now, he is not going around abusing kids (as far as we know, and ignoring his “Calgary Hitmen” involvement, yet he used the fact he was abused as a free pass to avoid taking responsibility for many of his actions, not unlike a sexual abuser.
To the idiot who claims that abuse is worse than murder, I am quite glad to be alive thank you, and it is idiots like you that are calling for the death penalty or life imprisonment for sexual abusers that will one case there to be less sexual abuse survivors and more murder victims. The reality is, if the punishment for sexual abuse is near equal too, or greater than the punishment for murder, than the abusers will find it much easier to hide a body than to silence a living survivor.
Another point, people are using the word “pedophile” here in the wrong context, it is a mental illness that causes a person to be attracted to a pre-pubescent minor, what they have are thoughts, when they put those thoughts into actions, that is when they become criminals, it is the action, not the thought that makes them criminals and sexual predators. I must go on to say, that most people society views as pedophiles, are not actually pedophiles, but either ephebophiles or hebophiles, those mental illnesses deal with attraction to post pubescent youths and teens. again, they are not criminals until they put their thoughts into action, the actual illness do not make them into criminals.
This reminds me of the anomaly regarding homophobia, the most homophobic of people in society tend to be closeted homosexuals who are so hating of them selves due to confusion that they act on their self hatred in an outward violent manner towards homosexuals that are out of the closet, partly out of jealousy. I have to wonder how many of the anti-pedophile warriors out there are following the same methodology.
Anyone, and I mean anyone who says they have never appreciated the looks or been attracted to someone, even just under the age of majority, is lying trough their teeth, both to themselves, and to society. It is not the thought that is criminal, it is putting thoughts into actions that is criminal. that is ignoring the fact that most people who commit sex crimes against minors do so for the power, not because of any sexual attraction, which means that most abusers of children are not in fact pedophiles, hebophiles, or ephebophiles.
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 23rd, 2011
7:48 pm
Well we know that CHOKE will never get caught up in a sex scandal, because chicks like winners
doc
December 24th, 2011
1:27 am
pretty poignant read here not absolving paterno just sayng only as captain of the ship he was properly dealt with. it does explain that he in FACT take it to the police in the steps he took and could not have handled it differently and seemed to put some distance between himself and sandusky. ultimately his legacy should not be any less than other men of similar fate who stayed too long like bowden and hayes.
http://www.thepostgame.com/commentary/201112/did-we-get-it-wrong-joe-paterno
btw the second most shared read of 2011 in the washington post and pretty legit newspaper.
jeff i hope you take time to read it and send it on to your colleague who dumped on paterno pretty good.
doc
December 24th, 2011
1:31 am
oh, the person paterno took it to was not a superior but the chief of police in the unincorporated town that penn state sits. he took it to his superior and the police. they ruled on it unilaterally and he had no voice in it.
doc
December 24th, 2011
1:35 am
legionaire you know nothing but speak only lies. read the article before you judge anymore on this subject. you are just plain misinformed.
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
December 24th, 2011
11:15 am
Where is the Saints vs Falcants blog?
Something tells me the AJC is afraid of this game
k483
December 24th, 2011
1:17 pm
Where did you get that one out of every four statistic?
chrissy39
December 24th, 2011
3:20 pm
I need to add my input here.. and many wont like what Im gonna say.. we all agree messing whith children.. thats a big no no.. but now.. many places with sports encouagr sex affairs.. for one.. I joined MLB what do I get?? emails from sex sites… I checked the partners.. MLB… its some of their backers.. look at all the sport sites.. what do you see??? check out the babes… cheerleaders or fans showing their stuff… talking about check out the latest hot babes??? please what does that tell you??? are we promoting sex??? HMMM?? how about all the sex & cheap woman who are willing to show & men willing to share with other guys.. please I catch my own husband on his skydive ( hotmail sharing a picture of a spanish girl about 20? he is is in his 50’s she was bent over a washing machine.. He & a few guys from the sports sites. writting to her asking her name & how hot she was.. this girl could of been their daughter.. I f we are talking sex affairs.. please check your sports sites , social sites & what your husbands or maybe you guys are doing but not saying?? I always love the guys older guys who join these sex sites that have young girls.. & they are in thier 50’s & 60’s drooling.. but they join lying about their age their married status.. where they live.. I have seen it with my own eyes… my cousins husband.. but he was 20 something living in a another town looking for woman 20 -30 he was supposely single & lets not say what he was looking for.. the man is an grandfather…. this is bigger then moist people think.. old guys looking at younger woman.. I mean YOUNGER… & will prise God on the same breath…
War Dang Dawg
December 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Benjamin, that’s the great thing about being neither a judge or a juror in the Sandusky case. We don’t have to give him the benefit of squat. And as Bob Costas suggested, Sandusky is either a monster or the unluckiest, most persecuted, and defamed person in history. Since I doubt that there’s a vast conspiracy against a former college football asst. coach, I’ll put my money on the former.
War Dang Dawg
December 24th, 2011
3:41 pm
Benjamin, are you a criminal defense lawyer by any chance? I’m a civil lawyer, but I don’t think being an attorney requires us to suspend disbelief. If Sandusky is truly innocent, then he may truly be one of the unluckiest people to ever walk the earth. Clinton and OJ have nothing on him in that category. I don’t think being an attorney requires one to check their common sense at the door.
UG's Stephen A.Dawg. The days of the Good Ol' Boys are dead and gone.
December 24th, 2011
4:34 pm
Why won’t former FSU coach Bobby Bowden be quiet about the Penn St. scandal ? Nobody cares about what he would have done because the situation didn’t arise at FSU. Anyway, didn’t Coach Bowden’s son, Terry have an illicit affair outside his marriage while he was at Auburn, which allegedly resulted in the pregnancy of a teenager ? I don’t know, but somebody should look into it. The whole situation was drowned in secrecy by all involved parties at the time after Terry Bowden was fired. If Akron ran a background check of their newly hired coach I’d bet there’s a 50-50 chance Terry would fail it if the truth was told about his past at Auburn. The Senior Bowden should have just keep his mouth shut (talking about what Paterno should have done) before somebody goes digging about the scandalous and sordid details of Terry’s termination at AU. Bobby Bowden didn’t say one word about his son’s indiscretions and to continue protecting Terry, the last thing he should be doing is continuously shooting his mouth off about Paterno and Penn State !!
UG's Stephen A.Dawg. The days of the Good Ol' Boys are dead and gone.
December 24th, 2011
5:12 pm
JoePa shouldered the blame and took the situation on himself when he said, “he wished he had done more” in light of the sex abuse scandal at Penn St. But haven’t we all regretted that we “didn’t do more” in light of criminal and scandalous acts committed by mindless morons ? I know as a former student who attended and transfered from Florida A & M University in the early 1980s, I regret I didn’t speak out the local authorities about the victims of hazing I witnessed, which were classmates and friends of mine. Instead of reporting the injuries inflicted upon them, I sought to render aid and shelter to them. In other words I would hide my friends who were in the Marching 100 from those upperclassmen in the band who notoriously hazed and intimidated them. The culture of hazing has existed for over 30 to 40 years at FAMU within its Marching 100 band. It is a part of the traditions at that school and is roundly accepted by the administration, alumni, and students. As a freshman at the school in fall of 1981, I constantly complained about the chaos and violence on campus to my parents, who maintained a close watch on my plight until I ultimately transferred to Savannah State University, which had its own problems but was much more civilized than the crazed, unacceptable, ”Planet of the Apes” environment at Florida A & M. Its a shame the highly paid administrators knowingly ignored the violence and didn’t do one thing to change the institutional tradition of criminal violence exacted and inflicted upon students for at least three decades ! It was a crying shame the violence got so bad somebody had to die to bring attention to the hazing problem there. I am not suprised that it took a death to raise awareness to the senseless, insidious traditions of Florida A & M. In retrospect, I too, like Joe Paterno, “wish I had done more” than flee from the violence.