Can this really be a new Josh Smith for Hawks?
Josh Smith shed 25 pounds and is down to 225, the lightest he has been since being drafted.
When the playoffs ended last season, Josh Smith was ready to say goodbye to Atlanta. The excitement he felt by the Hawks’ postseason success (beating Orlando, throwing a scare into Chicago) was tempered by the anger of once again being the lightning rod for criticism, seemingly every time something went wrong.
The extreme ups and downs of his career with the Hawks had worn on him, just as it had worn on so many who watched him. As Smith put it, “When you’ve been in one place for a while, it crosses your mind: Maybe I want to get lost. Punch the GPS a few times.
“I’ve been here a long time. I’ve never lashed out at the organization. All I ask for sometimes is, when I raise my hand, maybe somebody can help me up, so I’m not always the person who’s trying to [defend me from criticism]. It would be nice if somebody else said, ‘This guy’s a pretty good player.’”
Smith said he never asked to be traded. But he would not have screamed if it had happened.
Yet, when the Hawks opened the gym following the NBA lockout, guess who was the first player to show up? Guess who lost 25 pounds this summer, changing his workouts, changing his diet, running in the Hollywood hills?
Guess who worked on his mid-range jumper — from 16 feet, not Neptune — and was determined to get faster and quicker so he could excel against the league’s small forwards, after seeing a lot of time at the 3-spot in the playoffs?
Josh Smith showed up to training camp a different guy. He weighs 225, the lightest he has been since turning pro in 2004. After only a few days of drills, coach Larry Drew said, “He’s getting off his feet a lot quicker, getting to the rim and exploding, even more than he has in the past.
“I’m seeing and hearing a passion I haven’t seen before.”
Smith's performance (23 points, 16 rebounds) in game four against Chicago carried the Hawks. (Curtis Compton/AJC)
I know. It’s early. But maybe this year is different.
Smith knows he deserves criticism at times. He acknowledged during the playoffs, “I know sometimes I take shots I shouldn’t. But I’m not the only one in here who takes bad shots. I just get talked about more than anybody else.”
He makes a valid point. But his mistakes are magnified because his extreme athletic ability reminds us of potential. Also because he can be both the best and worst player on the court at any given moment.
Smith likes playing for Drew. There are far fewer public battles than there were with Mike Woodson.
“It was a great change,” Smith said. “Nothing against Woody but Larry Drew’s a better fit for me. Totally different. Larry knows how to handle a person like a man. If he has something to say to you, he’ll bring you into the office and have it out with you in there instead of playing it out in front of everybody.”
One exception came after Game 2 in the second round against Chicago. Drew publicly criticized Smith for taking too many jump shots and not moving his feet. Smith wasn’t happy. A few nights later, after a stellar performance in Game 4 against the Bulls (23 points, 16 rebounds, eight assists), Smith referenced public criticism, saying, “The media is trying to T.O. me.”
This is what Smith believes gets lost amid all of that drama: He wants to win.
“When we won that first game [against Chicago], just knowing that we were that close to being in the Eastern Conference finals, I felt more passionate than ever,” he said. “I felt we had an opportunity to do something special.
“I’ve been in the league a while. My main concern now is winning. I want to win, no matter what the cost is. I want to be one of the elite teams in this league. My window isn’t closing, but it’s slowly going down. Before I get out of here, I want to accomplish some things.”
We’ll see where this goes.
Smith is saying and doing all the right things. If he’s is serious, the Hawks will benefit. If not, it might be time to punch the GPS.
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145 comments Add your comment
Paul
December 13th, 2011
1:28 pm
No matter what you think of ASG or the Hawks and the wall they seem to have hit in the East, if Josh Smith fulfilled his potential, Atlanta would have that bonafide superstar everyone always wishes for.
@DanWeiner
December 13th, 2011
1:29 pm
He’s just suckering everyone in like always.
Jeff Schultz
December 13th, 2011
1:32 pm
Paul — I agree completely.
@DanWeiner — I’ll wait and watch.
@DanWeiner
December 13th, 2011
1:34 pm
I really hope he’s a new Josh, but the old Josh always shows up. Hopefully having vets like Stack and T-Mac around will help push him and help him get better.
Hollywould
December 13th, 2011
1:35 pm
Can’t be Josh Smith. Actually using his right hand.
Mr. Phil
December 13th, 2011
1:40 pm
Technically, I can’t think of one playoff serious we have lost specifically because of Josh’s shot selection. And I think some of (underline some) the problem has to go back on the coach for putting him in situations where he could not possibly be successful.
Mr. Phil
December 13th, 2011
1:43 pm
Also, without his contributions the Hawks would have none (underline capitalize) of the success they have had (limited though it may be).
That said…JOSH….stop it.
hawkfan
December 13th, 2011
1:43 pm
Can you imagine Horford @ 4 and Smoove @ 3 playing alongside DHoward? I don’t even think that the Heat would be able to match up.
You would think a star like him would love to play in his hometown and transform the team into an automatic title contender. But I suppose the love for money is much greater …
Hankie Aron
December 13th, 2011
1:43 pm
Interesting Schultzie, interesting. He looks like a different player in the photo
Larry Drew
December 13th, 2011
1:44 pm
Like me sign says: “NO EXCUSES!”
If we don’t get it done, we are all OUT OF HERE.
Thrashers Fan
December 13th, 2011
1:44 pm
F### THE ATLANTA SPIRIT
Hankie Aron
December 13th, 2011
1:45 pm
Hawkfan- Schultz introduced that idea a week ago. Problem is, I don’t think he’s even slightly interested in the Hawks
Gary
December 13th, 2011
1:51 pm
I’m still not convinced this team will be any better than last year’s. We still need an intimidator on the inside to create more open looks from the 3 point line. We do great in transition but as soon as the other team slows the game down, we stand around with our thumbs up our rears. I still think a real coach could make something out of this team, but I’m not convinced Drew can take them to the next level. I was content to take the season off. I hope these Hawks have enough to change my mind.
Coach D.
December 13th, 2011
1:54 pm
@Hollywould – lol.
Josh will be Josh. I just hope the vets play well when Smith gets pulled quickly when he does “Josh things”…
PMC
December 13th, 2011
1:56 pm
Of all the people on this team Josh Smith is my favorite to watch.
If I were to pay to see anyone of them play, Smith is that one.
PMC
December 13th, 2011
1:57 pm
For all of Billy Knight’s wrongs, he hit it out of the park with Smith, he’s the only guy you really see the potential and it’s probably why he’s been such a lighting rod for frustrated criticism.
Harry Hawk
December 13th, 2011
1:59 pm
I don’t expect a 26-year-old player entering his eighth year to suddenly become a star. All I want is for Josh to recognize his limitations and maximize his abilities.
Jethro
December 13th, 2011
1:59 pm
Josh is the man. This is his year. And when, at the end of the year, he says “THAT’S what I’m talkin’ about,” I will say with equal enthusiasm, “You go boy!” Josh needs his props – he’s due.
vdunkndunk
December 13th, 2011
2:04 pm
This is an encouraging article. The best part of Josh Smith’s game is clearly his athleticism, so there’s no point trying to bulk up – I like that he’s coming in light and explosive. I also like the fact that he worked on 16 footers – that seems more valuable for his game and more realistic than becoming a great 3-point shooter.
Trojan
December 13th, 2011
2:06 pm
Go Josh. You have one fan. I wish we had management as talented as Smith.
vdunkndunk
December 13th, 2011
2:09 pm
I also agree with Jeff that Josh gets a little too much criticism, and that the criticism comes largely because he’s so good and has so much potential. When he stays in the post and gets aggressive about attacking the basket, getting rebounds, blocking shots, and getting out on the break, he’s an all-star in my view.
JSS
December 13th, 2011
2:09 pm
He he, remember what I wrote the day the lockout ended? It’s up to Josh now… Show ‘em what you got!!! How is “Wanna be Shaft” Marvin Williams doing?
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December 13th, 2011
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Toq
December 13th, 2011
2:25 pm
If Josh Smith was playing for any of the “big market” teams, he would be on ESPN on a nightly basis, and not have to even be concerned with half the criticism he gets as a Hawk. If he can just mature and reel it in when he is getting frustrated on the court, he is a bona fide All Star for the next several years. He and Horford could be the best 3-4 combo in the league….
Jimmy Crack
December 13th, 2011
2:26 pm
A new Josh…
Until he shoots his first moon-skimming 3-brick with 15 seconds left on the shot clock.
tb hawksfan
December 13th, 2011
2:27 pm
“All I want is for Josh to recognize his limitations and maximize his abilities.”
If Josh only does this; it should be enough for him to rise to star level. Eliminate the dumb through the disipline to play right and maximize his talents. Sure his teammates would love that.
Hawks still have potential; love to see guys coming in in shape, slim and ready to go. Another good c and a back up PG would be nice too
Matt
December 13th, 2011
2:27 pm
Awesome. Now get the Atlanta Spirit Group out of town so I can go see for myself. I won’t support any product that they’re offering….yeah, I’m a bitter Thrashers fan.
Big Crimson 75
December 13th, 2011
2:30 pm
Watch Out !!!!!
The Hawks will finish with the 3rd possibly even the 2nd best record in the East!!!
Boston is declining, Orlandont is done, and the Bulls are 1 injury from the Lottery.
The shortened season will help a team like the Hawks that have been together a few years.
The Hawks need Smoooooth to realize that potential , Marvin to do something(pick up Crawford’s points), Teague to play like he did in the Playoffs, Watch Out!!!
NCBravesFan
December 13th, 2011
2:35 pm
I’m curious to see how this year plays out – if Josh can take another step forward and Teague can progress, this could be a fun team to watch. Too bad the ASG is unwilling to spend a little more to flesh out the roster and help the team realize its true potential.
KOOL
December 13th, 2011
2:38 pm
Punch the GPS, in my opinion.
gold dust,
December 13th, 2011
2:39 pm
People complain about the Hawks hitting a wall, but they have gotten better each year, moving from the first round to second round blowout to second round competitiveness. I don’t care what anyone says, going to the playoffs each year is better than being in the NBA basement. Josh is 26 years old! Plenty of people grow up a lot in their mid-twenties. It sounds like he’s made some changes, because losing 25 pounds takes a lot of commitment and effort. If he plays to his strengths and gets back to his explosive ways, the Hawks could be very good and make a playoff run. It doesn’t sound like many teams in the east have drastically improved, and Josh Smith having a breakout season is probably one of the largest opportunities for a team to improve from within.
Dawg gone Clayco
December 13th, 2011
2:40 pm
Really, Joe Johnson big contract and under-achievement are the real anchors that are holding the Hawks down, and Josh Smith is just the lightning rod.
Super Bowl Shuffle
December 13th, 2011
2:47 pm
Everyone wants to make Josh a “3″, but in order to be successful in that position, you have to be able to shoot from the perimeter consistently. Josh hasn’t shown he can do that. I remember when Dominque Wilkins came into the league, he couldn’t shoot to save his life. He was a scorer, but he couldn’t shoot. He worked hard on that part of his game and soon opponents had to respect his jumper. The jury is still out on Josh!
Walter R. Terrell
December 13th, 2011
2:53 pm
I hope Josh Smith has grown as a man in mindset. My criticism of him has been sharp and at times cruel. The past few years all I have witnessed is (PO) “potential” and that gets old. His atheleticism is off the charts and if he plays to his strengths then it would be a revival of John Drew, Dominic Wilkins and Dan Roundfield. He can truly be an ELITE player, one that will be remembered with honor and pride. Developing a 15 – 16 footer will enhance his game moreso. Everyone does not get the opportunity to be “GREAT” in their chosen profession but if Josh has grown to realize that it’s not all about him and a highlight reel, then we will watch, love, and enjoy a true ICON. Greatness drips off him like honey on a comb. I am going to buy a case of 2 liter diet pepsi’s because the hope is that I eat every deragotory remark I made about him last year and I need something to make that cornbread go down easy. Make me buy 2 more cases Josh and I hope you have a great year
where's jeje
December 13th, 2011
3:03 pm
Hey Rancidkegturf’s friend..
you buying this new Josh B.S. Same story different year ; )
Rim Rocker
December 13th, 2011
3:03 pm
If the Hawks had a good player (instead of over-paid Joe Johnson) to go with Horford then they might be a threat in the Eastern Conference.
Rim Rocker
December 13th, 2011
3:04 pm
Just think. If ownership had a brain we would have Chris Paul instead of Marvin “Lost” Williams… Sick man.
Joey
December 13th, 2011
3:05 pm
Josh is the only reason I watch every Hawks game. He has sparked (and finished) more fast breaks, and sparked more Hawks’ wins the past three seasons than any other Hawk. Rebounds, steals, pics, and blocks – he is gonna be a bad dream for SFs this season.
Just take the ball to the hole, Josh.
Dshep
December 13th, 2011
3:05 pm
Even though he ticks me off shooting that dumbarse 3pter, I have always liked Jsmoove. Unlike JJ, he seems to give a crap and plays with a lot of emotion. I am ready for some Basketball!!!!
Dshep
December 13th, 2011
3:08 pm
I will never, ever forget that dunk against Boston in playoffs a few years back. Pure greatness!!!!!!!!
rollo lawson
December 13th, 2011
3:08 pm
Why were plays designed for Josh Smith to be standing outside the three point line when the shot clock ran down? What do you expect him to do when Joe Johnson swings the ball to him with 2 seconds on the clock?
Air Zaza
December 13th, 2011
3:16 pm
He should be much better with Teague playing the point.
hometown fan
December 13th, 2011
3:16 pm
don’t buy it. He was self centered and spoilded in high school and hasn’t changed. Every word about how he’s changed comes with an excuse. Hit the GPS button and set him free. He’s a loser
Najeh Davenpoop
December 13th, 2011
3:16 pm
“But I’m not the only one in here who takes bad shots. I just get talked about more than anybody else.”
This is true. He gets talked about more than anyone else because a) his shot looks worse than other players’ shots, b) he is super athletic and people assume this means he has LeBron potential, when he actually doesn’t.
Even a focused Smoove taking good shots is not a superstar. An All Star caliber player like Joe Johnson and Al Horford, yes, but not a LeBron/Wade/Dwight type of franchise-carrying superstar. Atlanta fans generally speaking overrate his talent and underrate his contributions.
Bonez
December 13th, 2011
3:18 pm
I think people often get angry at Josh is becuz his flaws can be fixed easily and he can realize his potential fully.
He needs to watch tape of a Prime Shawn Kemp and emulate that
i_am_soulstar
December 13th, 2011
3:34 pm
Good luck w/ the season Smoove.
Pete
December 13th, 2011
3:39 pm
All this stuff don’t even matter cause the Hawks just don’t have the talent to compete with the Heat, Knicks & Bulls in the East.
Rick Sund
December 13th, 2011
3:40 pm
Yes sir! That is why I wanted to PLAY IT SAFE and not trade. Josh has too much UPSIDE. Maybe this year we can win 3 games in the SECOND ROUND.
hawkfan
December 13th, 2011
3:41 pm
@ Gary: With Teague running the point, the half-court offense should significantly improve. While being a great shooter, Bibby could not penetrate into the lane to save his life. Although still a little raw, I can easily envision Teague averaging 10 assists with a Rondo type of playing style (hopefully with a better jump shot).
The fastbreak was always a strong point for this team, and now the Hawks have the potential to develop a more creative half court offense w/ Teague coming of screens and creating shot opportunities for others.
Unfortunately it’s probably not enough to elevate the current roster to championship-caliber, but it should provide a more entertaining brand of basketball.
phil
December 13th, 2011
3:52 pm
No.
Wow
December 13th, 2011
3:53 pm
He looks like a thug with those tattoos. Good grief.
Maurice
December 13th, 2011
3:53 pm
Josh be Josh. There are no set plays run for him close to the basket. Those are usually for Horford. Josh is the X man. He seems to have free reign of the court. Not his fault. He also is the one to always make up for his team mates lack of defense, leaving his man open. Not his fault. To have a passionate man on my hometeam is a blessing and a curse. So he gets hot headed at times. I would rather have someone wear there emotions about losing than being robotic and acting like it’s ok. It’s not. Maybe Josh doesn’t have Lebron potential, but Lebron has his own issues. We don’t want Josh Smith associating with it.
mountain_jim
December 13th, 2011
3:54 pm
You trade Josh, you got to remove the name ‘The Highlight Factory’
Because it’s Josh that brings those highlights and that excitement to the Hawks, much more than the other players. imo.
Bonez
December 13th, 2011
3:55 pm
Wow=Racist
Mr. Schultz u know wat to do
Sol
December 13th, 2011
3:58 pm
are you kidding me? we can not even bring back Jamel for $5 mil. That the reason players like Dwight Howard do not want to come and play for their home town team because they want to play for great owners, not a group who cheaps a few mil. Each to buy a team. Bring back Jamel we need back up point guard any way then we can trade Kirk when he is healthy.
JIM
December 13th, 2011
4:01 pm
i cannot believe dwight doesn’t even list us as a team to be traded to.
you just lost the ATL man!!!!!
Hawk to the Tawp.
December 13th, 2011
4:03 pm
ASG needs to pay the luxury tax if they want to win. They need to sign a back up SG/SF. Any idea if the Arenas rumors are true?
AGTFan53
December 13th, 2011
4:04 pm
I’ve often wondered about the Josh Smith haters. He is the most frustrating player on the Hawks, but he’s also the most exciting player on the Hawks. I like the idea of him working on his midrange jumper. He doesn’t need to be a 3 point shooter. If he can make enough midrange shots to make defenders come out that far, he becomes much more dangerous. He’s never been a slacker. He’s played when he was physically less than 100%. Frankly, he and Al are the only 2 draft picks that have really made a difference. (I think Teague is going to this season or next.) I can understand the frustration that he causes. I can’t understand the out and out hate some people seem to feel for him.
theight
December 13th, 2011
4:07 pm
This needs to be his time right now. Not too many lefties remain stars for too long or have that all-star potential very long. I also think the only person that can take Josh to the next level in Hakeem. Josh always seem to learn something new every season and his b-ball IQ is getting better and better each season. With all of that being said, he is still the only player on this team worth watching. Maybe Teague if he becomes the full time starter and T-Mac if he can come half way to what he used to be.
Hollywould
December 13th, 2011
4:07 pm
Rollo is correct. I will cut Smith some slack as when jj quits the dribble game and passes it to Josh with 2 secs left there is not much else he can do but throw it up.
Buckeye
December 13th, 2011
4:11 pm
In the case of the NBA, I happen to agree with Obama, tax the crap out of these M&B’s.
Otherwise, I agree with Obama on nada, zilch, zip.
joe kill
December 13th, 2011
4:19 pm
josh smith is a big time piece for this team all the people that want him traded shutup hes a great player and apart of this great young core we have come on people GO Hawks!
Terrance Leake
December 13th, 2011
4:21 pm
Every time I attend a hawks game the crowd including myself screams whenever he shoots a jump shot. His post moves are superior to many others at his position. I’ll be content with the 16 footers if he knocks them down at a consistent rate. He needs to play to his strengths. In my estimation J-smoove has yet to reach his ceiling. Go Hawks!!!!
basketball biltong
December 13th, 2011
4:22 pm
Atlanta spirit group needs to punch the gps and take-off.
Vol4ever
December 13th, 2011
4:25 pm
Bonez – are you serious? GTHO for the racist comment.
Chris Paul – Now there is a star! To bad the ASG will not trade for him.
Karen
December 13th, 2011
4:36 pm
I may be crazy, but sign me up for some of that action! Go Hawks!!
timthebrave
December 13th, 2011
4:39 pm
I’ll watch on the tv hoping Josh Smith lives up to his potential but the Spirit Group won’t see another dollar from me
atlnative
December 13th, 2011
4:40 pm
Josh Smith,stop whining when you commit fouls,and make better decisions with the basketball.You are not a three point shooter,Reggie Miller is.Play defense and use your length to dominate!
busterbrave
December 13th, 2011
4:43 pm
i’ve always have been amazed why one of the best defensive platers in the league has gotten so much criticism here in atlanta.he has made strides in all aspects of his game,sure he has made mistakes like many young players,but he has always caught more of the brunt of criticism than any other player.i have confidence in josh smith,always had; and believe in his new approach.let the young man play,get off him.
Alan Hochbaum
December 13th, 2011
4:55 pm
I wouldn’t blame Josh for falling asleep at times on the court. It’s hard to stay involved for the 20 Joe Johnson “black holes” the ball.
Baddabing
December 13th, 2011
5:01 pm
Yes, Josh takes bad shots but worse he sulks and doesn’t hustle when things don’t go his way. His body language is awful and wears on the other guys, it’s easy to see. I hope he’s matured and will be the player we all hope and know he could be. The reduced weight and new attitude is a good start and if he is more competent with a mid range jumper then he becomes more of a threat that will help everyone else’s game. JJ is due a break out year, but the key to the Hawks season is Teague. If he plays like he did against Chicago the Hawks will have a very good year.
Whopper Dawg
December 13th, 2011
5:04 pm
Good for him, hope he keeps it up. He could be a dominating player if he wanted, but it ain’t easy.
Peter
December 13th, 2011
5:07 pm
Unfortunately they don’t have a center, or proven leader…… JJ is a sometime show.
Perhaps with luck.these guys make a move in the playoffs, of course they have to get in first.
Texas Pete
December 13th, 2011
5:13 pm
I’d still trade Joe Johnson and Al Horford before Josh Smith.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 13th, 2011
5:17 pm
Why should Howard want to come here?
No matter if you put Josh as the 3rd big (SF) or the 2nd big (PF) He and Josh play the same position. INSIDE.
So then you throw Horford in there? Someone has to be moved.
The formula is SF Smith inside, PF shooter outside, center inside.
Smith + shooter + Dwight would work but not Horford + Smith +Dwight. Smith would have to be outside, to let them play inside.
This is what Larry Drew said about Josh + a stretch 4.
“He’s a four that can really stretch the defense,” Drew said. “I did a lot of homework on him. With Joe’s ability to force double teams, having that four that can go out there and stretch it, it gives you an added weapon. Tracy is a really good passer and you put him with the ball in position where he can operate, teams have to collapse their defenses on him [too]. With Radmanovic, he’s a guy that lives at the 3-point line.”
Coaches know they will have to pick between Josh + shooter + center and Horford + Marvin + center.
Unless Smith morphs into a superstar I think Horford will return a higher quality shooter and a center. And if Smith does finally put his inside and midrange jumper together why would you trade him?
Trade AL! Get Josh + a better stretch 4 than Vlad (Leuer) + Andrew Bogut. It makes the most sense.
reese
December 13th, 2011
5:23 pm
I’ve been a Josh Smith supporter for years and I have enjoyed watching him impact a game multiple ways (block shots, help defense, steals, 3 point shots made late in games, precision passes and consistent double digit scoring). Face it, aggressive play will sometimes produce turnovers, forced shots and mental mistakes. There is no need to trade Josh Smith.
I’ve been a season ticket holder the past 2 1/2 years and this is what I’ve seen. The hawks do not have a low post presence. Marvin and Zaza are poor help defenders. Zaza has trouble making open layups and any kinda shot near the rim. Marvin, Zaza and Al are not aggressive offensively. Therefore, the need for Josh to take last second shots (which I’m sure he doesn’t mind). Josh needs to work on making his free throws and improve his dribbling. Joe Johnson is not worth 20 mil a year. He cannot consistently impact a game on the defensive or offensive end. He doesn’t earn the respect of the refs and therefore doesn’t get the close call. Kirk Heinrich is overrated and this team should not have both Jason Collins and Zaza. Neither are not athletic, neither can score consistently, neither can play help defense and neither are that good of a re-bounder.
With all that said, I’ve enjoyed watching the games at the arena. My favorites to watch were Jamal Crawford and Josh Smith. Jamal because he was not afraid to shoot, not afraid to challenge any superstar in the league, excellent ball handling skills, ability to penetrate an make shots or pass to an open man and he had the respect of the refs. Does any one have more 4 point plays that Jamal. Josh, because he was a force on both the offensive and defensive end.
My advice for the hawks, bring in Arenas if he is healthy, resign Jamal and acquire an athletic big man. Get rid of Zaza or Collins, Marvin and Kirk. Go Hawks, I’ll be watching you on TV this year.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 13th, 2011
5:26 pm
FIRE SUND
FIRE ASG
AMNESTY ASG
J
December 13th, 2011
5:28 pm
mountain jim is dead on
SportsGirl
December 13th, 2011
5:29 pm
I love Josh Smith! Do your thing dude, let’s get to the playoffs again!
J
December 13th, 2011
5:29 pm
seriously, i laugh everytime i read “the spirit group won’t receive another dollar from me” … quit your whining already
Fairplay
December 13th, 2011
5:30 pm
“My windows isn’t closing, but it’s slowing going down.” What?
northcyde
December 13th, 2011
5:40 pm
Josh . . you can’t have it both ways man.
If you want to be the star of the team, you have to endure the criticism that comes along with it.
When the crowd booed you guys off the court in Game 3 of the 2010 Orlando series ( but mainly directed at Joe Johnson, which continued into Game 4 ), JJ knew that it came with the territory.
When people get onto you for taking a jumper, especially after you’ve already missed 3 out of 4, of course they’re going to boo. You’re a career 28% three point shooter. You had a good shooting percentage from 16 – 23 feet last year ( 39% ), but you tailed off dramatically from that range as the season came to a close, and got even worse during the playoffs.
The only thing that’s preventing you from being an All-Star, is your belief . . no . . your want to prove that you CAN make jumpshots. So you take jumper, after jumper, after jumper. You get on a little hot streak with the jumpers, and you want everybody to pat you on the back. But when you miss 4 in a row, you expect the crowd to stay silent? NOOOOOOOO can do Josh.
The reason why YOU get booed and get yelled at, is because the fans in Atlanta actually CARE about you. They actually WANT to see you succeed and reach your potential. And they know that you can’t reach your potential by taking jumpers.
See Josh . . if you watch the clip I’m about the post, I GUARANTEE YOU that if you were Shawn Kemp in this clip, that you would’ve caught that ball and shot that flat foot 20 foot jumper, because you would’ve been wide open. You’d shoot that ball hoping it will go in. IF it did . . great. If it didn’t, it’ll simply give the fans more reason to believe that you’ll never get it.
But watch the clip i’m about to post, and what Shawn Kemp does with the ball when he catches it at 20 feet and wide open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgnNORzOeU8
Stuart
December 13th, 2011
5:44 pm
I am definitely glad Josh has shed a few pounds, as it will help him in the long run: he will still be relatively fresh toward the end of the season and into the playoffs. However, being only 225, it worries me for the games he is set up to play the 4. A power forward who is only 225? It will be tough to defend the other ones and tough to back down to the basket on offense, which is what he needs to be doing. So, as long as he can still stand his post, not allowing the heavier guys to back down to the basket, and as long as he doesn’t become an outside shooter, then his weight loss will be a plus, especially if he gets more of his explosion back.
Really truly
December 13th, 2011
5:46 pm
Anything this team does will be in spite of and without the help of their ownership which could very well be the worst in all of professional sports.
northcyde
December 13th, 2011
5:46 pm
LOL Reese . . . your favorites were the two guys on the team who REFUSED to play to their strengths. Because as much as people get onto Josh about his outside shooting, Jamal Crawford could EASILY be a better player, if he laid off of the threes as well.
Jamal took more three pointers, than he took long 2 pointers . . . despite the fact that he only shot 34% from three . . but 45% from long 2 range. This is the reason why Jamal was so inconsistent last year. He was either red hot or ice cold, simply because of his shot selection. He had the handles to get anywhere he wanted to on the court.
Jamal was brilliant in the Orlando series for the most part . . but absolutely horrible in the Chicago series ( outside of Game 1 ).
Honestly, Jamal has the same problem as Josh Smith. Both guys REFUSE to play to their strengths as offensive basketball players.
Ironically, both could be much better players than what they are ( or perceived to be ), if they simply drastically reduced the ill advised shots.
D-Man
December 13th, 2011
5:48 pm
Hope J-Smoove means it, cause if so the Hawks can take it to the next level. We’re stuck with what we have and the only way to improve is for guys like Josh to take their game to the next level. He coulda and shoulda wasily been an All-Star by now and he knows it. Additionally, I agree with him 100% about Woody, he was not user friendly at all (I’ve seen his practices) and yes they’re all grown men but I think even the Pat Riley’s, Popoviches, and even Phil Jacksons knew they had to handle some guys differently (whether they liked it or not) in order to make things work – that’s what REAL leaders do. Woody was ego-tripping, had a itty demeanor, and stubborn so blasting a youngster like Josh wasn’t working,and hadn’t work for wayyyy to many years for him to keep going that route and he lost not only Smoove but the whole team. No one likes getting called out no matter what these internet tough guys here will claim. You wouldn’t care for it at your job, so please don’t expect someone making millions to like it right or wrong. Anyway, I can’t wait to see Teague get a full season of a go at it. I believe he will make this team better the way Acie Law could have if, again, stubborn azz Woody would have given him a chance. Now we may have that legit point we’ve been missing. Another year of an improved Horford,plus a new Josh (fingers crossed) along with hopefully a deeper bench (please don’t lose J Crawford) and the Hawks could be moving up…at least I hope so.
GO HAWKS!!!
Jeff
December 13th, 2011
5:52 pm
Josh is like Vick; you pay to watch him play because you know something special can happen…what I want to know is how is Joe looking?
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5:53 pm
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ATLien
December 13th, 2011
5:54 pm
The haters are going to hate. But Josh Smith has been a great player for years. And has been pretty much a model citizen that has done his home town proud. Problem his, his hometown is here in Atlanta and the few real Atlanta fans get drowned out by Johnny Carpetbagger, who’s real team is somewhere up north, but feels compelled to come on the AJC blogs and rip the Hawks and anyone who ever suits up for them.
Looks like Josh has re-focused. I hear Al spent the offseason working on post moves. I like the veteran bench on the cheap that is being put together. Hopefully Joe will finally stop trying to prove he’s a max contract guy. For good or bad Joe, you’ve got the deal. Now, just go back to that guy who used to get 6 or 7 boards a game while dishing out 6-7 assists and just the scoring come. You know, the guy you used to be when you first got here.
Bill Walton
December 13th, 2011
6:03 pm
What AGAIN? How many times are you going to say this head case is going to change? He’s a medicore player that costs his team more games than he helps win
John Wooden
December 13th, 2011
6:06 pm
Atlanta has a pro basketball team????? Who knew?
WE OWN TECH!
December 13th, 2011
6:11 pm
Joe Johnson is the reason we didnt get further in the playoff! My god, We gave him a ridiculous contract for mediocre numbers!!!!!!!!
OldTmer
December 13th, 2011
6:15 pm
Really? The dude’s got no A-game. Is this column sponsored by the Hawks? Feels like a pop-up ad.
jeff
December 13th, 2011
6:25 pm
Smith is one of my favorite players and I hope he stays put and helps lead the Hawks to a title. The guy’s ability is off the charts and he wants to win. Sure he makes mistakes — but everyone does. I just don’t get the constant criticism …
Grandmaster JeJe
December 13th, 2011
6:42 pm
ASG SUCKS
YOU GUYS SCARE AWAY ALL POTENTIAL SUPERSTARS
IMHO
December 13th, 2011
6:45 pm
JS has lots of skill to go with lack of fundementals and basketball IQ.
skyhawk1
December 13th, 2011
6:55 pm
I love his bullet passes into the 7th row and up. lol
ntrigue
December 13th, 2011
6:59 pm
Josh Smith is the overall best Hawk all hands down! If Josh was gone that would translate into 15-20 less wins a season guaranteed! Everybody talks after he has a bad gm but no one says anything when he single handidly takes over the ball game on offense and defense! If hawks trade Josh it will hurt them just like it did when we traded Nique!
Nate D
December 13th, 2011
7:00 pm
I actually think getting rid of Jamal was for the best for salary. I like the moves we made towards the bench when Hinrich comes back i think the bench will be better than last year if Jeff teague plays like he did last year and Marvin actually comes around we be going far in the playoffs. My Question is why would Dwight not want to come here?
John
December 13th, 2011
7:42 pm
Great stuff again by Jeff….saw this article about Smooth maybe playing the 3-spot…could Dalembert be headed to the ATL???
http://blognbasketball.com/2011/12/hawks-should-go-big-sign-dalembert/
reese
December 13th, 2011
7:44 pm
northcyde, I’m glad that Josh ignored the crowd and kept shooting. Too many times, Marvin and Al would forfeit open shots and throw it to Josh. The frustrating part about Al is that he would be in the lane and kick it back out instead of taking it back up. The funny thing is that Joe would also pass to Josh with the shot clock low. Sometimes defenses are clogging the lane and giving the hawks outside shots. It would be nice if the better shooters could always take the outside shot, but in reality it doesn’t always happen that way. As far as Jamal goes, I’d take 34% 3 pt percentage over 45% 2pt average any day. Why, 1) two point shots are usually contested more and a player is usually more open on a 3 point shot. 2) If you average 12 shots a game, you’d average 12.3 pts a game shoot 3pt at 34%. Whereas, you would average 10.8 points a game shooting 2 pt shots at 45%. But really, the key is to hit the open shots no matter where you are.
PALM BEACH BARON
December 13th, 2011
8:05 pm
Hawks have the same problem they’ve always had since I lived in Atlanta in 1969 – no real star center. We had Wilkins and all we needed was a true center – but they made Kevin Willis play center when he was a power forward, then it was John Contract who would miss 2 dunks for every one he hit and could not make a 3-foot shot. Remember the great Duke star Latner (another PF we made play center) we had trying to play a young Shaq in the playoffs? Now we have Horford playing center when he’s a power forward – HAVE A TRUE CENTER WHO CAN PLAY AND WE CAN WIN IT ALL! Play the BIG lineup every game and stop the stupidity of playing Horford at center!
CGD..
December 13th, 2011
8:10 pm
The Hawks will wrestle for the #1 Seed!
They are going to surprise a few people in Atlanta and throughout the NBA!!!!!!!!!!! Stay Tuned!
jamillion
December 13th, 2011
8:31 pm
I just have one word to all my fellow fans. To bring back jamal is and will only stunt the progression of jeff teague,thus stunting the development of marvin,josh,and al. A ballhog is never good. Its similar to having a gun slinger qb with a stud running back. The studs never gonna shine cuz bret farve jr always gonna throw it
Grandmaster JeJe
December 13th, 2011
8:32 pm
THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS
FOR ALL YOU HATERS WHO THINK I’M AN IDIOT, THIS IS TRANSLATED TO: “WHY DO WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME CORE OF PLAYERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR? WHY DO THE PLAYERS SAY THE SAME THING EVERY YEAR BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS? WHY IS JOE ALWAYS CONTENT WITH OUR ROSTER?”
GOD BLESS.
yeahsure
December 13th, 2011
8:34 pm
Keep Josh. Trade the whole lot and get Howard. They supposedly are friends. Then build from there.
hawks
December 13th, 2011
8:49 pm
the club want be worth a damn.
northcyde
December 13th, 2011
9:28 pm
@ Jeff Schultz . . . you’re old enough to have watched Larry Nance and Shawn Kemp play basketball. Tell Josh to emulate those two guys. That is his potential as a basketball player. Not some Sam Perkins wannabe flat footed jumpshooter.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 13th, 2011
9:35 pm
Larry Nance and Shawn Kemp were 6′10 Josh is 6′8 and an inside power Small Forward.
northcyde
December 13th, 2011
9:39 pm
@ Reese . . and that’s exactly why Jamal is not here, and didn’t get a lucrative contract.
A 34% three point shooter is not a good three point shooter. And when you take 5 shots a game from that range, it makes it even worse. Jamal simply didn’t play to his strengths.
A 45% long 2 point shooter is an EXCELLENT shooter. Jason Terry led all guards by shooting 47% from that range. Al Horford actually led the NBA from that range, shooting something like 53%.
Shot selection is critical in the NBA. That shooter that takes 12 shots from 3 point range . . and is a 34% shooter . . is only going to make 4 shots. Shooters like that are usually hella streaky and will shoot you right out of the game ( which Jamal does at times . . he’s usually red hot or ice cold ).
A 45% shooter from 2 point range is going to make 6 shots, and probably not miss more than 2 in a row in the process. Think Ray Allen, seeing that he’s a 46% shooter from this range.
On a possession by possession basis, give me the guy who is going to make that 20 footer 45% of the time . . than that guy who will make the 23 footer 34% of the time.
Slimjr
December 13th, 2011
11:49 pm
Rebound Rebound Rebound! ECF ECF ECF
The Hawks are on the cusp of something incredible…
A1 or 2 Seed?Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
adil
December 14th, 2011
12:52 am
If JOSH plays the way he should everynight i am confident that HAWKS will shock the world….the guy is so talented just sometimes he makes poor decitions!!
Had enough
December 14th, 2011
12:53 am
The same old same.
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David Smith
December 14th, 2011
8:25 am
I’m a big fan of Josh and the excitement he brings to the Hawks. Does he takes bad shots at times? Yes mostly because he has to due to the clock running out or if no one else is open. Can he play up to his potential? Absolutely. Josh is a energy player capable of filling out a stat sheet every night and without his defensive presence opposing teams would set camp in the paint against us every game. I hope Josh’s new attitude rubs off on Marvin who deserves more criticism for not playing up to his full capabilities.
Wow
December 14th, 2011
9:57 am
Seriously? There are white thugs too. That wasn’t a racist comment. Chris Andersen looks like a thug too. He’s white. What’s funny is the notion that you would want me banned for that. Get over it. Tolerance only works one way, right?
Nator
December 14th, 2011
10:08 am
New topic for this crew (and, hopefully, Sund): why are we not talking to theMagic about Dwight? We can offer him: great city, his hometown, rising point guard, and at least one other all-star to play with. should be interesting to him, i would think. Just ran a trade through the ESPN trade machine and it works: Al, Josh and Zaza for Dwight and Terkoglu (crappy contract that Orlando would like to shed). I hate losing our guys but i think you have to do what you can to get Dwight. and if we use the amenesty on Marvin, we should be able to sign Dwight long-term. Frankly, I’d rather keep Al than Joe but i don’t think anyone takes Joe’s contract. But how about a core of Dwight, Joe, and Teague (and Hedu as your spot-up shooter)? we are immediately a force and Orlando has to listen to that trade, right? Sund, what are you doing?
jarvis
December 14th, 2011
10:35 am
Love the pic. Smoov is dribbling shoulder high with a grin on his face….could be practice or could be the 4th quarter down by 16.
Ted M
December 14th, 2011
10:50 am
If Josh has in fact lost 25lbs you can’t say “same old same”. Maybe he’ll be what he needs to be nevertheless the Hawks could NEVER get equal value in a trade so you gotta keep him and hope for the best.
Zaziehands
December 14th, 2011
11:32 am
Smith (AKA J-Stupid) is stuck in Atlanta. They have been trying to trade him for 3 years – no takers.
His play is inconsistant, he has shouted profanities at 2 head coaches during the game. He has caused fights with teammates, is a total headcase, and the entire league is aware of it.
Atlanta won’t go far with J-Stupid playing. No one wanted him, we are stuck with this loser.
lea
December 14th, 2011
11:36 am
lol Josh Smith is going to prove all you idiot haters wrong this season watch.
WitStream
December 14th, 2011
12:37 pm
Nice piece Jeff. All I can say is unless Josh picked up about 50football basketball IQ points during the offseason nothing else matters. Call me in May in any event.
Terrell
December 14th, 2011
12:38 pm
@WoW, why is Josh Smith a thug? Is it because of the tattos or is it something else. Do you know what a thug is?
Thug- a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
So you’re saying Smith looks like the that? I noticed you said the same thing thing about Chris Anderson but does having tats mean you look like a thug?
Terrell
December 14th, 2011
12:41 pm
Nator
The problem with that trade is that a few years ago the Magic made it to the finals with a roster that was much better than what we got now. Since they couldn’t win it then what makes you think that if we give up Al and Smith for Howard, how does that help us right away?
Terrell
December 14th, 2011
2:37 pm
Grandmaster JeJe
You’re right that is the definition of insnaity. The problem is that the definition doesn’t apply to this team. we would’ve needed to keep everybody from last year, which we didn’t, and then play the exact same way. Then we would have to play like we did last year for the definition to hold. Two seasons ago we went over 50 wins with this group.
You can’t just chanage for the sake of change that’s insane too. If you keep changing players every year because things aren’t going your way and you end up with the same results every year isn’t that also insane?
Terrell
December 14th, 2011
2:38 pm
insnaity=insanity sorry about the mispelling
dirtyo11
December 14th, 2011
4:18 pm
hawkfan I agree with you. That’s what made MJ the man he took an avg Chicago & help turn them into a powerhouse for many yrs. I would love to see Howard in ATL…repping his home team. Howard is open to go the nets…WHY because they play in NY. Do a sign & trade with Crawford. Send him & JJ or him & Smith to Orlando for Howard.
C-Howard
PF-Horford
SF-Smith
SG-Free agent or trade Williams & Zaza for someone who can play D & avg 8-12pts
PG-Teague
IF WE COULD PULL THAT OFF WATCH OUT NBA
@terrell
December 14th, 2011
5:04 pm
A thug is someone who shouts profanities in public (Josh). A thug is someone who makes masturbation gestures infront of children (Josh).
Smith isn’t bright. You can’t with egocentric thugs.
SALVADOR
December 14th, 2011
7:38 pm
We have to get Samuel Dalembert!!!!!
Stop dreaming about Howard playing for the Hawks!!!!
yodaddybrother
December 14th, 2011
8:38 pm
Smith will take the Hawks to the ECF.
No sarcasm at all
DJTHEDJ
December 14th, 2011
8:54 pm
All Josh need to do is pattern his game after Dr. J’s game and he will be a Super Star, keep prefecting his mid-range jumper, and tahking it to the Hoop, he’ll be Bad News.
Andrew Lipham
December 15th, 2011
1:08 am
GO AFTER SAMUEL DALEMBERT!!!!! WE ARENT GOING ANYWHERE WITHOUT A TRUE CENTER!!!!!!
bob
December 15th, 2011
7:16 am
maybe if he left his daddy at home and develoed a mature attitude, quit worrying about what the refs say and do, he could help a team.
Ryder
December 15th, 2011
12:21 pm
Atlanta has to realize that their best attack is the fast break, in which Josh Smith excels. Have you noticed that as he goes the team goes with him? Whether we like to admit it or not his performance is a big factor on the Hawks success. It would be nice to see him make the All Star team, but he’s got to realize that his game is best when he’s slashing to the hoop, and perhaps Teague can be that PG who can put him in position to score on a regular basis.
If they can get a consistent flow of JJ on the perimeter, Horford scoring more in the paint, and Josh shooting between 10-15 feet (instead of launching moonrakers) they will be able to keep defenses off course.
Terrell
December 15th, 2011
1:32 pm
@terrell,
That’s not a thug. That’s an immature person. I gave you the webster’s definition of a thug. What you said is moreso of him being immature and not smart with some the decisions he has made. Based on what you said I guess most military people are thugs because they cuss out loud in public? I don’t agree with the language but that doesn’t make you a thug.
tbat
December 16th, 2011
12:04 pm
Josh is a dummie, plain and simple. A dummie can loose 25lbs, but he’s still a dummie. Last year during the Chicago series, Drew told Josh to lay off the 3’s, Josh told Drew to go “F” his mother.
Having been in the military, if you told your commanding officer that, you would be dishonorably discharged – and I’ve never been around any Military personal who cuss with civilians around.
Josh is a immature, low-life, thug. You can’t win with loser like him on your time.
Tom Pinion
December 16th, 2011
5:27 pm
Drew needs to get the boot. He runs the Iso Offense and that is a high school or college playbook. We could be so much better with the right coach, We have 3 point shooters like Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich and then we have post players like Josh Smith and Al Horford… That really spreads the floor out but if I was Smith, I would get out of Atlanta, as much as I love him.
Boyz From North Ave
December 17th, 2011
9:26 am
I would rather watch two mules having sex than watch these humps.
Theresa
December 17th, 2011
5:51 pm
He does get talked about aloi because he take shoys he shouldnt take he;s a much better person under the board than outside he does not have a jumper. And without Crawford we are going to need him more. Overpaid Joe should have been the one to get traded no one want to pay a player that kind of money that don/t deserve it. We could have gotten two good player for what they gave him. Its going to be alot of disappointed fans because Crawford is gone,
Mike
December 17th, 2011
6:16 pm
Hawkfan..That’s almost xrated… D Howard at 5 , Horford @ 4 , J smoove @ 3 , Teague @ point. Stop IT!!!!!!
christophorm
December 17th, 2011
11:42 pm
Hawks sinse 79 @ always the bride’s maid but never the bride..getting the old guys stackhouse and mcgrady typical ATL move.
schultz tells good whoppers
December 18th, 2011
2:23 am
Well as i see it we need a true center and point guard n forwards and a new Owners….ASG is barkin up a tree as a Pit Bull chase them wearin a Thrashers jersey as they look down.Folks i say again if anyone wants to protest ASG do this wear all thrashers road n home jersey at Opener n Reg.season Opener and all season by wearin under u shirt are ASG will force u take off….remove top shirt when by Game starts show everyone on Tv here and on espn are ABC ….Thrashers jersey at Phillips arena and if the Owners fuzz takes everyone walk out of arena i mean it let them play before empty seats just there be ushers and owners and Rats who drove Thrashers to Winnipeg..and by way Hawks will be 25-41 for season!
schultz tells good whoppers
December 18th, 2011
2:29 am
D.Howard would not sign with atlanta hawks no fan base here never sold out at home always idiots sold out see Lakers are miami only are dallas(since they won title now) and also due fact three stooges own Hawks still why no one comes here…see owners sit by court with hands in there pants!
gnomeboy
December 20th, 2011
12:58 pm
Only Basketball I care about is watching my Newphews playing Upwards Basketball