If McGrady replaces Crawford, Hawks have problems

Don’t get Tracy McGrady. For once in your franchise life, please do something smart in the offseason!

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Jeff-15 min in between the first 2 comments tells you all you need to know about what Georgians think of the Hawks

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I agree btw about Crawford. He is a solid scorer that we will definately need if we want to get past the first round

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Oh and T-Mac is looking kinda fat in the pic. Look at it again.

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Must be the light or the shadow

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Sometimes I feel like we’d been better off keeping Crawford, and dissing Joe when we had a chance. Cheaper with the same results… hummm

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Crawford plays no defense and is not worth the money. And the Hawk’s salary issues started the day that ASG paid $20 more than the next highest bidder for JJ. McGrady is not to replace JC. McGrady is a great signing.

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Why couldn’t the Thrashers have taken the Hawks with them??? Nobody does or will ever care about the Hawks. Atlanta is all about college football and baseball! Good article though Jeff.

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The ASG as well as GM Sund has distanced themselves so far from the fan base they might as well reside at or near the Artic Circle. When is the last time you have heard Sund on any of the radio call in shows. They are the lone cancer cell remaining in this sports town.

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Headline could have just read… “Hawks have problems”

Starts with Rick Sund and his amazingly nonsensical contract decisions.

Paying Marvin, case #1 against Mr. Sund.

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I hope the fan base decides to stay home and force ASG to sell.There maybe worse organizations to own this team (Liberty Media comes to mind), but there has to be somebody out there.Ten years of labor peace should help lure a competent owner.

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Your headline is misleading. Perhaps by design. McGrady is not the problem. It is the pitiful management by the Hawks. If anyone pays attention to the Hawks, they would have known that JC leaving was determined over a year ago. Pay attention and don’t put down a star who is coming for the minimum.

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I’d of course like to keep Crawford, but If we let Crawford walk, i’d be ok with that if we go get Micheal Redd as a replacement to add some scoring punch off of the bench. Kirk, T-Mac, & Redd should supply a pretty consistance offensive punch off of the bench & we could also get Redd for around the Vet minimum. If Crawford walks, we have to replace him with another shoter, if we don’t ppl will be able to clog the lane on Teague at times when JJ goes cold & this will limit his production.

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McGrady has been injured a lot over the last 7 years. If he is healthy then maybe he can give you 15 points per game. He used to be one of the best players in the NBA. The Hawks are stupid for giving Joe Johnson that bloated contract. Now they can live with it handicapping the entire team.

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Maybe Joe and Al and Josh can kick in some $$$ to help resign Crawford

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bench,yes, replace crawford no! lets hope our resident genius owners don’t start thinkin’ they know how to make personnel,and financial decisions; let sund do what he can with the resources allowed to him,and get out of his way!!!!

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Reminds me of when the Hawks lossed David Thompson and Marvin Webster to Denver.To soften the blow the team brought in Connie Hawkins(for those who dont know google him)who was well past his prime.Joe Johnson’s contract is going to strangle the Hawks for a long time.The ball movement is much better with Crawford than Johnson and Horford knows it.This has got to be the worst managed franchise in all of sports.

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Jeff you are not going to get hits writing about the NBA, but I guess you have to cover it.

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Tracy McGrady? Wasn’t Dan Roundfield available?

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Jeff – You should sponsor a contest to see who can guess how much money the Atl Spirit will lose. With no penalty for guessing to much of course.

A great prize would be Braves tickets.

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As much as i love Smoove, the writing is on the wall. The only way this team is going to get more competitive, they have to move either him or one of the “Big 3″ on that team for some more depth, players that can contribute immediately.

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Schultzie, you actually argued against resigning Crawford. We can’t afford to pay him if we want to have depth on our bench for the tough season ahead. TMac is a nice piece and if we get a player like Brewer on a sign and trade for Crawford we start to gain nice depth. If we could add another two bargain bigs (Kwame Brown, Reggie Evans) and another combo guard (Anthony Parker or DeShawn Stevenson) and we should be set for the season. If anything, I would target Kenyon Martin who is trapped in China right now but would be a nice addition in March.

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Love Crawford as a Hawk, but he simply is not worth a long term contract or more than 5 milion per year; he does not play defense and is getting older. Jeff, we need less big overpriced contracts, not more.

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Joe Johnson is worth every penny he is getting. It’s not his fault that he isn’t stupid like LeBron who left his Ohio team. Joe works really hard to do his best.Go JJ and the Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!The true Hawks fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like Jamal as a player, and he seems like a great guy. However, I don’t see him integral to the Hawks. They Hawks have scorers. They need well-rounded players that can surround the scorers, play tough D, and get some rebounds.

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I can’t believe that sensible adults still buy into the farce that “professional” basketball has digressed into in the last 20 years… what an absolute joke this sport is, with all of the self-importance its players put on themselves…

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Terrible bench, plus crappy ownership makes for a less than enthusiastic fan base, & a long few years until there is a new owner.

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It pretty clear there are many who don’t have an indepth understanding when it comes to basketball. First, part of JCrawford’s production can be replaced by providing improved perimeter DEF. Yes, he scored over 15PPG, but how much pressure did he put on our frontline, and how many PPG did he allow, with his MATADOR DEF?

The obvious increased production JTeague will provide at the PG position, both offensively and defensively, will also help replace some of Crawford’s production. Then add the production, consistency, versatility, and improved DEF from McGrady, and you further replace his production. Since McGrady is a much better facilitator than Crawford, he can increase team scoring without scoring himself.

If you take a look back at the problems the Hawks had, it was perimeter, transition, and interior DEF, as well as rebounding. Scoring wasn’t a major problem with the Hawks last yr. But with improvement in rebounding, transition, perimeter and interior DEF, along with the added speed, quickness, penetrating and fast breaking ability we’ll realize with Teague, Crawford’s absence won’t be as much of a problem as some might think.

Remember, he had serious problems scoring and trying to function within the confines of a structured OFF, and had to dominate the ball to be effective. I think far too much emphasis has been placed on his PPG average, and not enough emphasis placed on what had to be tolerated and sacrificed for him to score those points.

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Do anyone remember Jon Konack? Detroit offered him a contract and the hawks management matched it. The Hawks were bad for several years and now we will have to wait out Joe Johnson contract. I wonder could be trade Joe and pick up part of his contract?

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LeBron and D-Wade and Bosh ALLLLLLL took less money in order to make the dollars fit into building a competitive team.

JOE JOHNSON is SELFISH! He hasn’t even sounded off on sacrificing for the good of the team. So there goes Jamal and anybody else without the word “minimum” attached to them. That contract has us going backwards… FIRST ROUND EXIT. You heard it here first.

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We Got TRACY MCGRADY??? THAT’S AWESOME!!!

It’s 1999 right?

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This team was done when they signed johnson to that ridic contract. I wouldn;’t go watch them if the tickets were free. Especially after complaining about more money. F them. I hope the league goes bk.

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Any chance the Hawks can send Joe Johnson, J Crawford, M Williams to the Spurs for Manu Ginobili

Teague
Ginobili
J Smith
K Benson
A Hortford

Would win title with a nice bench

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i just know Allen Iverson’s next…..

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Well, if Crawford leaves, that’s what we got JCII for, right?

I know.

I know.

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JJ will need to average 25 ppg, and do it with fewer shoys and less ball hogging.

Horford and Smoove need to average double digit points and rebounds.

Marvin needs double digit points, 7 – 8 rebounds, and 3 – 4 assist.

Teague needs to average double digit points and assist.

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IM AVAILABLE, I HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT I
M WORTH THE MONEY REMEMBER

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Shane Battier to the Heat.

Grant Hill to Knicks.

Hmmm…can someone tell me what the Hawks plan on doing about their SF void?

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Jamal Crawford teased on Twitter that he might need to change the profile picture of him wearing an Atlanta jersey “in a couple days.” Crawford is known to be among the many wings on Chicago’s list, and a source close to him said Wednesday that his top four options were the Bulls (either via sign-and-trade or the full mid-level) and three teams with cap room in New Orleans, Indiana and New Jersey. SI.com

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i don’t mind the mcgrady signing at all–they need someone like him off the bench but only if he’s not a cancer in the locker room. we all know this teams psyche is not very high! if used properly he can provide a role for this team.

if crawford leaves i understand but we can still be very good with out him. i like some of the names i’ve been reading on this blog: there are players out there that can score–the hawks just to nab one of them.

i’m ready for the season to get rolling. excited about teague, watched joe johnson’s workout video on the team website and it was very intense and he looked a lot more cut up and we all know this team has been together a while now so maybe this can be used to our advantage in this year of less games. got to get more depth–

@stretch-i’ve been a big fan of battier for a long time and have always wanted him in atlanta. i think he would provide exactly what the hawks need in several areas. very smart, passes well, good defense, leader, can hit the outside jumper…why can’t the hawks ever get someone like him!

oh yea we did get christian laettner–but no one here liked him…he was way too unselfish to play in this league.

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damnnnnn hawks just traded josh marvin teague 2 first round picks for david west and chris paul

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I like the signing because it is strictly a monetary decision and JC1 is not 5X better than T-Mac….he’s not even 2X. T-Mac will help us.
Every team needs veteran help off the bench.

JC2 – we hardly knew ya, and we got you just in case Sund couldn’t convince Joe to take the Brinks truck filled with goodies with him. Who here would have turned that offer down? Don’t blame Joe and don’t ask him to take a paycut when he isn’t offered to take a paycut.

Now that we have a player with a little better defense, hopefully one who moves the ball better, and one who can jell with our Big 3, we might have a successful transaction here.

Schultz, you act like this is the only move. Its never apples for apples in this league. T-Mac should fill a bench role and if Joe goes down for a couple of games, he can fill that role. I don’t think we lose much to be honest. The Big 3 are the guys who need to get us our points. The Big 3 could use some improvement on their FTs which they should be able to do…..that’ll lessen the 15 ppg departure.

But truthfully, where has JC1 taken us? We can do 2nd round appearances around here like no other EC team. The problem is moving forward from that. Can T-Mac do that? Dunno, he’s never been there either. If T-Mac plays one good game for us a week, then that’s as much as Marvin does, and Marvin wallet is so stuffed…..so to me, T-Mac is my Marvin replacement and young #24 can be sent to amnesty camp.

But at least there’s a ray of sunshine out there instead of just sticking with the current roster. This isn’t a bad move….we just need to continue to make good moves.

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Big D

December 8th, 2011
12:15 pm
i_am_soulstar – yeah Tmac had a higher PER where was he when Crawford was destroying Orlando in the first rd ? Oh thats right Tmac and his PER were at home . I actually like the Tmac signing for depth reasons too but thats a really bad comparison .

There is a reason why our best players want jamal back as well as some of the games best players wanted jamal to join there team and why the best defensive team in the league the Bulls want him .

I think a lot of hawks fans take for granted what Crawford can do from the bench.even though hes not the best defender.

I respectfully disagree. I don’t even understand the logic behind this statement dude. If you watch all 82 Hawks games, you’ll understand that Crawford scoring 14.2 points a game just barely balances with his LEAGUE-WORST REBOUNDING and matador defense, but I don’t expect everyone to understand. I comprehend being blown away by amazing scoring ability, but an analytical mind would understand why he’s not as great an asset as the NBA teams are making him out to be, especially with Teague bringing additional scoring next season. Pretty sure I’d miss him without the emergence of Teague though.

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Am I the only one that doesn’t think we need jamal crawford? We are already paying $20+ million to a guy that starts at his position, and we have a young PG that has shown promise that we need to finally give some playing time. Take that money and spend it to fill the GAPING hole in our lineup at center! Amnesty Marvin Williams and pick up a SF that can actually contribute to the team.

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the last sentence in this article is the BIGGEST understatement of the decade!
LMAO

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If T-Mac is willing to take the minimum to come here, all the better for the Hawks. We still have depth on the bench if crawford leaves w/ Kirk (if he stays).

Too many ifs though … IF Teague is what we saw out of him during the Bulls series, we’ll be fine. If not and Crawford leaves, then we are screwed!

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If they would have just started Jeff Teague like so many of us wanted last year, there would have been no need to trade Jordan Crawford and Jamal Crawford would have be a after thought right now. IT’S TOUGH BEING A HAWKS FAN!

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1- Crawford is GONE. Get ready for it. He will follow the bucks and ATL doesn’t have enough bucks for him to follow. The top concern is will they use the money, or at least part of the money, they would offer him to get another legit 6th man to come off the bemch and not a collection of old-timers?

2- Crawford gone or not, this is a good signing just in the realm that we only have 7 players under contract. Now we have 8. A bench has to be created somewhere.

3- No mention anywhere of the kid we drafted, Keith Benson. Did he put on any pounds during the lockout? We are so bad at center, if he really got on the stick, he could actually get a few minutes here and there this year replacing Collins (9.5 mpg last year) and/or Thomas (9.2 mpg last year).

4- Also no word of Wilkins that I have heard of. I though he was a good role player last year as a swing man and wouldn’t be too expensive.

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FROM WHAT I SAW FROM AL HORFORD IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR, THE HAWKS WOULD BE BETTER OFF DUMPING HIM AND RE-SIGNING JAMAL CRAWFORD. AL HORFORD MAY BE A NICE GUY, BUT HE IS SOFT AS BUTTER!

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sign some old, washed up player with a “name” from previous years—overpay, mediocre again. this franchise never learns.

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Hiow about Joe, al, and Josh redo your contractes to keep Crawford if he really means that much to the franchise and winning…

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Heck, I’m just excited to be arguing about the Hawks on ajc.com!

@Maybe, I hear Steve Francis, Jamal Mashburn, Chris Webber and Antoine Walker are also available! If we sign them all, we could field a starting five made entirely of 2003 NBA All-Stars!

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As long as this ownership group is running the show, I COULD GIVE A RAT’S AS* WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE HAWKS.

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Who gives a $%*& about the Hawks?

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Joe Johnson = Sunk Cost

Our only hope is to amnesty him and hit the lotto on a real superstar in the draft.

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[...] Jeff Schultz of the Atlanta Journal Constitution writes, “This can be taken as either a pretty good sign or a really bad sign. It’s a good sign if McGrady’s addition is meant only to add depth on the bench. It’s a bad sign if his signing is intended to soften the blow for the possible loss of Jamal Crawford.” Tags Atlanta HawksTracy McGrady input, textarea{} #authorarea{ height: 89px; padding-left:5px; margin:12px 0; width: 635px; } .authorareah3{ height:23px; border-bottom: 1px solid #B0B0B0; color: #333333; font-family: georgia; font-size: 19px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 22px; margin:0 4px 5px; padding-left: 8px;} .authorareah3 a{text-decoration:none; color:#333; font-weight:bold} #authorarea img{margin:0 4px; float:left; border:1px solid #ddd; width:85px; height:85px;} #authorarea p{color:#333; margin:0} #authorarea p a{color:#333} .authorinfo{ } About the Author Travis Duncan [...]

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Be serious… the Spirit Group doing something bold, something big, building a real championship level team instead of just a contender? Yeah… right? They really aught to rename themselves the “Dis-Spirited Group”. The reality is that everyone can’t wait for them to leave town and release the Hawks to an owner with real guts and a real intent to build a champion. It would be best until that time if they just got out of the way of Rick Sund and let the man do what he really wants to do… build a real championship team. Right now he’s just a glorified baby sitter with a GM title and one arm tied behind his back.

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“Even ownership can’t dispute that. But as we’ve seen over the past few years, the financial decisions this organization makes don’t necessarily equate to success”

They don’t necessarily equate to logic either, Schultzie…

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I’m officially forming a “Draft Tyler Perry for Hawks Owner” group. Since apparently there are no other rich people in Atlanta who give a [expletive deleted]. Come on, Tyler! Do it for us! Be Mark Cuban 2.0!

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We don’t need to keep crawford…he will end up just like Bibby 2 years down the road. Crawford is awful at defense. Crawford often shoots the hawks either in the game or out the game which is why we are so inconsistent. It’s time for horford to stop saying resign Crawford and start steping his game up to 20 and 10 every night. The problem isn’t that the hawks have spent 40 million on three players but that those 3 players haven’t step up to the plate and purduce. People forget that we have Teague who should start this year and average 10 points and 10 assists. Johnson needs to be at 20 points and 5 assists per game. Marvin needs to be role player and just do what ever he does. Josh needs to get 15 points a game, 4 assists, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Oh yeah, and elimate the jump shots. Al needs to be at 20 and 10. Kirt needs to be 8 points per game and 3 assists coming of the bench. We need to sign shane b. (can’t spell his last name- small forward and he is an excellent defender. Also we need to sign big baby. He comes from Boston and will be a great role player. Lastly we can use another 7 footer who can block shots and trade zaza. If we are going to beat the heat, Bulls, Knicks it’s going to be with defence, role players, and our big 3 steping up not Crawford trying to out shoot them. All of the guys I have talked about us resigning are low cost and high reward.
Jeff please write on this and quote me on it.

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We don’t need Jamal. We need big man that play D like Tyson Chandler. Jamal is a nice piece and i’m a big Jamal fan but we are stuck with Joe so we need to add size and defense to compete.

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KSU Alum
December 8th, 2011
1:56 pm
“I’m officially forming a “Draft Tyler Perry for Hawks Owner” group.”

You’re wasting time… That’s not his cup of tea, and he has about a half a billion dollars in bond debt that he’s servicing for the next 10 years too…

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Wow guess I need to change my name someone stole my tag.

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I like the T-mac signing especially for the vet min like everyone else is saying Jamal is gone point blank period it’s more about what can the hawks get for him. I like the idea of Chicago being a trade partner.

As for J-smoove I wish to keep him if we bring in CP3 that all but means Jeff Teague is gone and also the only way CP3 stays is if you can get probably Dwight Howard. The only way he gets here is J-smoove being here so it’s like what do you do.

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Does anyone know or has anyone heard any more Hawks news?

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Its a good sign. The Hawks will pay the tax this year, but it won’t be to sign the one-dimensional Jamal. The Hawks can’t afford to go forward with one or two man bench. Not signing Jamal means that the Hawks can add quality depth behind the starting five. Quality and quantity is the key this season.

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Calm down Jeff. T-Mac may not be the same All Star caliber player he was in the past but his depth is much needed for our bench. Crawford is a gifted scorer but his defense is horrible and he wants a chance to be a started again. We had his heir apparent in Jordan Crawford but traded him for average point guard who can’t shoot and can barely defend his man. I hope the rumored trade with Chicago (Crawford for Asik and Brewer) is true so we can get on with the season.

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I’ll become a Hawks season ticket holder as soon as Atlanta is granted another NHL franchise.

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Excluding the Falcons, Atlanta has the worst owned teams in professional sports. Liberty Media and the Atlanta Spirit are total wastes in my humble opinion.

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Much respect to Jamal Crawford but some people are making too much out of such a one-dimensional player. No T-Mac alone does not make up for Jamal but maybe he is not alone. Send Marvin to the bench and let him earn his money, along with adding more pieces. I would rather add more pieces (depth) with the same money I would pay one one-dimensional player like Jamal.

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more of the same – ummm, how is signing somebody at league minimum overpaying? READ the article, it said nothing about overpaying T-Mac.

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how can anyone bash signing tmac? for MINIMUM? and even if he is coming to “replace crawford”, so what? crawford does not deserve the money he would be paid to be on this team. on a contender, sure. but this team does not need crawford and joe holding the ball for 20 seconds at the top of the key and then chuck the ball up towards the hoop for the fun of it. the team needs change by subtracting the bad. crawford did some special things, but its time to move on. let teague develop. change the team! that is what we all know needs to happen. (and a coach..owner..and gm..but i digress)

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Who? What? When? Who cares!

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Hold real fast, the only reason y’all being citics is because of wat u hear from everybody else. Be honest, none of u haven’t real sat down think if mcgrady is a bad or good signing. Y’all just rollin with the puches right along with everbody else. If you don’t know basketball, just quit commenting so this blog can be a better place

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We could do a sign and trade with crawford to minn for beasley, then turn around and trade J.Smith for a true center and a couple of bench players or draft picks.

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GOOD MOVE WITH MCGRADY. NOW WHATEVER IT TAKES, BRING IN DWIGHT HOWARD NOW BEFORE THE LAKERS LAND HIM. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THE HAWKS STAND WITH MONEY BUT THERE’S 3 PLAYERS( JOE JOHNSON, JAMAL CRAWFORD- SIGN AND TRADE AND ZAZA PACHUAILLA WHO SHOULD BE SHIPPED OUT AND TRADED PLUS WHATEVER DRAFT PICKS THE MAJIC WANT. THE HAWKS DON’T DO ANY QUALITY DRAFTING ANYWAY SO GET ON HOWARD NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE

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Sign Allen Iverson for the Vet minimum & then you will have two decent players with BALL’s to show JJ how to be an assassin in this league.

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Tellem again bro

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I doubt D12 goes to L.A plus I don’t think CP3 stays in L.A either I don’t think CP3 will like that idea of playing second fiddle in Kobe’s town if you catch my drift.

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Hawks
Nobodddddddy Carrrreeeessssss!

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Tracy McGrady > Marvin Williams

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Tmac will start the 3 and make the young hawks better with his experience and leadership…….

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The Hawks are history until they get owners who give 2 craps. This group certainly doesn’t.

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We certainly have our share of fans who just love to b!tch just for the sake of b!tching. There are those who berate the owners for not going, or wanting to go, into luxury tax territory. Since when did going into luxury tax territory automatically guarantee improvement, or that we’d become an automatic title contender?

Then we have those who accuse the team of being unwilling to spend the money to field a quality team. Yet, we hear most of these same whiners constantly complaining about JJ’s, Horford’s, Marvin’s and Josh’s contracts, and that they’re being overpaid. Then we have the finger pointers, who love to focus blame for everything on either our ownership, GM, HC, or certain players.

Whether you want to admit it or not, this franchise has had a pretty damned good run over the last few yrs. We’ve managed to make the playoffs 4yrs running, achieve high playoff seedings, and advance to the semifinals. Prior to us starting this streak, how long did we go without a playoff appearance, or win?

And then there are those who have made a name for themselves by focusing on one particular player, like Marvin, JJ, Josh or Horford, to be specific, and bashing him with lies, misrepresentations, and assumptions. Bottom line, even if everything these whiners and finger pointers have said about these players is true, we’ve still managed to do a lot better with them than most NBA teams have done, and a lot better than most of our fans have predicted.

Each yr we have these clowns who post one negative expectation after another for the Hawks. They usually predict that either Philly, Indy, Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, Orlando, New York, New Jersey, and/or Chicago, will have a better team and finish ahead of us. And each yr the Hawks prove these fools wrong. Yet, it doesn’t seem to stop their stupidity.

Here’s why I feel the Hawks will be much improved over last yrs team.
1-JTeague at PG rather then MBibby.
2-Having TMcGrady coming off the bench rather than DWilkins.
3-All of our returning players having a yr of experience under HC LDrew, and being familiar with his OFF/DEF systems, expectations and terminology.
4-Finally having a solid perimeter DEF, the ability to penetrate, run fast breaks, and do it consistently.
5-Having a solid perimeter DEF will eliminate the 5 on 4 DEF we usually had to play. It also allows our frontline players to concentrate more on playing their man, rather than concentrating on protect the basket and lane against players who constantly Bibby or Jamal’s man blows by them and attacks the basket.

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Atlanta should rename the team “Clippers East”. If you still invest any emotion in this trainwreck of a franchise, you are crazy.

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How about the Hawks critics and Tmac critics put ya money where ya balls is and see what the Hawks is all about? Who in?

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its like this, if the hawks didnt get rid of jordan crawford we would be a little better than what we are now at this stage of a beginning of the season

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No Defense for both. A lateral move. Good aquisition. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

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