With LaRussa out, Pendleton could be Cards’ candidate (UPDATED)

Terry Pendleton has been waiting for a managerial opportunity.

Terry Pendleton has been waiting for a managerial opportunity.

(Updated with brief comment from Pendleton)

Now that Tony LaRussa surprisingly has decided to retire as St. Louis manager, don’t be surprised if the Cardinals place a phone call to Braves coach Terry Pendleton.

Pendleton for a time was considered a candidate to replace the eventually retiring Bobby Cox — before Fredi Gonzalez became available. He spent the first seven seasons of his major league career in St. Louis. He is liked and respected by players. He’s a leader. He certainly showed that on the field as a player with the Cardinals and the Braves. His acquisition was key in the Braves going to the World Series in 1991, his first season in Atlanta.

Pendleton told our Carroll Rogers that he has not yet been contacted by anybody in the organization. (She will be posting a blog later today.)

Pendleton had his critics as a hitting coach. General manager Frank Wren obviously was one of them, as evidenced by Pendleton getting demoted after the 2010 season. (He was kept as first base coach, and Wren hired Larry Parrish as a replacement. To say that didn’t turn out so well would be an understateent.)

But he has long been considered a managerial candidate in baseball, including getting mentioned as a possible successor to LaRussa before the Cardinals’ manager decided to come back for the 2011 season.

I also don’t believe somebody’s success or failure as a hitting coach determines whether or not somebody will be a successful manager. Pendleton understands players, personalities and the game of baseball as well as anybody.

The “Hardball Talk” blog on NBCSports.com already has listed Pendleton as a candidate in St. Louis, along with Terry Francona (just fired from Boston), Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan, hitting coach Mark McGwire and third base coach Jose Oquendo. Their synopsis of Pendleton:

Terry Pendleton: The Braves’ first base coach and former hitting coach who, obviously, had a lot of time in St. Louis. He’s always been tremendously popular with Braves players since he began coaching and could be a good choice if the Cards are looking to keep a happy team happy.  Worth noting also that, when he was removed as the Braves hitting coach, the Braves hitting went into the toilet. The man obviously has some skills. 

So we’ll see how this unfolds. Until then, what are your thoughts on Pendleton as a manager?

By Jeff Schultz

71 comments Add your comment

Dayman

October 31st, 2011
12:13 pm

good riddance

Jamaaliver

October 31st, 2011
12:17 pm

Surprising turn of events.

I actually wouldn’t mind making TP our hitting coach again.

He, apparently, wasn’t NEARLY as inept as we all thought.

And who wants to replace a legend. If he thought Bobby’s shoes were hard to fill…LaRussa’s might be even tougher.

LawDawg

October 31st, 2011
12:18 pm

Dayman must have been in diapers in 1991

Dayman

October 31st, 2011
12:19 pm

Terry Francona head and shoulders above other candidates listed. I’d take Francona in Atlanta right now not because Freddi is that bad, but Francona is that good.

Gary

October 31st, 2011
12:19 pm

I don’t know if TP is ready to manage yet, but there aint but one way to find out.

Dayman

October 31st, 2011
12:21 pm

Law Dog I love John Smoltz but would you want him as a coach?

Gary

October 31st, 2011
12:21 pm

McGWire for manager? Somebody must be on drugs! I mean besides MM of course.

LawDawg

October 31st, 2011
12:23 pm

No, Dayman, but I would also never disrespect the captain of those teams by saying “good riddance.” I don’t see how any fan who rode that worst to first ride would talk about TP like that.

Dayman

October 31st, 2011
12:28 pm

LawDawg I guess the he is in a good place if they are given him a coaching job for how he played in 1991. Just leave him at first base coach, anyone can do that.

three jack

October 31st, 2011
12:35 pm

If the Cards need someone to keep the bullpen keg fresh, then Francona should be at the top of their list. If they want a real baseball guy to lead them, then TP is on his way to Busch Stadium.

James

October 31st, 2011
12:35 pm

Managers that follow legends are always fired..

Tumbledown

October 31st, 2011
12:46 pm

If TP gets chosen, then the Cardinals are doomed not to win another World Series while he is with the team. He has been involved in numerous post seasons (including several World Series) as a player with both the Braves and Cardinals and assistance coach with the Braves. Yet, none of his teams won the big prize. TP was on another team when the Braves won in 1995. He returned in the middle of 1996 season, I believe, and we know what happened there. As a jinx, he is comparable to Kenny Lofton.

Maybe if TP departs, the Braves could have a chance.

And the truth shall set ye free

October 31st, 2011
12:49 pm

I think Barry Bonds (or his “clear” supplier) are better candidates. If the Cardinals want to keep winning, using the LaRussa steroids model, they will need another manager who has a steroid franchise. Any place that a wild-armed pitcher (pitchers are not known for their hitting, even though pitchers like Tim Hudson have college histories as good hitters) can be sent down to the minors “to learn the outfield,” and then come back hitting tape-measure home runs, only the magic of Hollywood or steroids is the answer. Good ole Tim McCarver said, “Not many eleven-year veterans are shoe-ins for the Hall of Fame, but Albert Pooholz is.” Tony La Russa has coached more players known for steroids use than any other (Oakland, Chicago (AL), St. Louis). McGuire had to follow him to St. Louis to keep his fix on (started in Oakland). I say “Good ridance” to La Russa. The sport of baseball has turned into the gutter-gathering business of big, bald heads (some with mohawks) and Popeye biceps (like used to be found in the wrassling profession), boys on the roids. That is why (during times of economic woes and jobless rates at 9%) 40% of every Major League baseball team is non-US citizens, needing work visas. Latinos will take any drug a scout shows up offering, if it means money-making careers in the USA. Tony La Russa became the winningest coach on ML baseball history because he changed the level of the playing field. He tipped into his favor every stop he made, until everyone started cheating to keep up.

Can you hear me now?

October 31st, 2011
12:50 pm

LaRussa didn’t want to retire, but he called the bullpen and they thought thats what he said and announced it, so now he has to retire so his coaches don’t look like fools.

01HAWK

October 31st, 2011
12:50 pm

Be careful of what you wish for. It was always Pendletons fault but now we see the BRAVES had a bunch of bone head hitters who will not listen.

SO………………………………………Can we demote FRANK WREN and FREDDI ?

01HAWK

October 31st, 2011
12:52 pm

FRANCONA ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lets see………………………………….Players drinking alcohol in the dugout, going back to the dressing room for McDonalds and POPEYES chicken.

I hope Cardinals will not make that mistake.

Bluestreak

October 31st, 2011
12:53 pm

It would be a well-deserved opportunity for TP. Unless things go south here, I don’t see there being an opportunity in Atlanta for a while. TP will likely be hired by someone long before then.

And its not like he would be going to a team not able to compete.

bobby c

October 31st, 2011
12:53 pm

Ding Dong the drunk is gone. Goodbye Lowe hello Indians.

stlfan

October 31st, 2011
12:53 pm

What about O’Quendo…..a Cardinal legend and already at 3rd base as a coach.

Cobb Dawg

October 31st, 2011
12:54 pm

Is McGwire’s steroid history any kind of a factor here? Shouldn’t it be?

RC

October 31st, 2011
12:56 pm

Francona wasn’t fired, he left the team. What Jeff wrote is factual inaccruate.

01HAWK

October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm

Indians Acquire Derek Lowe

By Tim Dierkes [October 31, 2011 at 11:38am CST]

We have our first trade of the 2011-12 offseason! The Indians acquired Derek Lowe from the Braves, tweets John Kreger. The Braves will pay all but $5MM of Lowe’s $15MM salary, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. Olney says the Braves will receive a second-line player in return.

Lowe, 38, posted a 5.05 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 3.4 BB/9, 0.67 HR/9, and 59% groundball rate in 187 innings this year for Atlanta. Lowe’s Braves career ended on a sour note, as his 8.75 September ERA contributed to their collapse. Still, his groundball rate ranked second in all of baseball. Lowe signed a four-year, $60MM deal with the Braves in January of 2009.

With Lowe, Justin Masterson, and Fausto Carmona, the Indians’ rotation now has three of the top seven in 2011 groundball rate. Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Tomlin are also penciled in, with Carlos Carrasco down for Tommy John surgery.

For the Braves, the benefit is $5MM in much-needed salary relief for a pitcher otherwise projected for middle relief on their 2012 club. The Braves and Indians last matched up on a trade in July of 2006, when the Tribe sent reliever Bob Wickman to Atlanta for Max Ramirez.

Joey

October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm

Maybe the Cards will go after Fredi?

Herschel Talker

October 31st, 2011
12:59 pm

Schultzie:

I think Pendleton would be a good manager. I like when he walked off the field in ‘91 in Cincinnati when Starvin Marvin Freeman wouldn’t throw at someone. That’s what we need in a manager, some leadership and fire. Fredi is a bumbling fool.

HT

Sonny Clusters

October 31st, 2011
1:02 pm

TP will never be a Buck Commander and that limits his future with the Braves organization as presently constituted. We will soon see if more of the same can be expected or if this organization will come to the realization that changes must be made. We was remembering what Albert “Sonny” Einstein said about doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. Those little flags in the outfield have stopped piling up. Pity. The Braves haven’t won a pennant in a long while and the way they are eliminated early each year becomes more and more embarrassing. This year was the straw. Can you say, EPIC collapse?

Sonny Clusters

October 31st, 2011
1:04 pm

Jeff, any news from the Double Dime? We was wondering who shot what.

epic quibble

October 31st, 2011
1:05 pm

Ken Oberkfell isn’t available???????

coach13

October 31st, 2011
1:12 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! YA’LL CAN HAVE HIM!!!!!!

Dr. Phil

October 31st, 2011
1:12 pm

The Cards should vote two shares of WS earnings to Derrick Lowe and one share to other members of the Braves. The Rangers should vote two shares of their post-season winnings to Wren for the worst trade since 1919.

AhiaGamecock

October 31st, 2011
1:13 pm

TP has always been one of my favorite players, him and John Rocker. I wish TP the very best. Would hate to see him leave Atlanta, but I would love to see him suceed as a major league manager. If he gets the chance that Atlanta never gave him, then so be it….see you in St. Louis, TP!

PR Braves Fan

October 31st, 2011
1:14 pm

The Marlins are tired of Logan Morrison greveance against them, send Prado and Asencio for Logan Morrison, sign Jack Wilson as a infield backup, Pastornicky at SS and call it a day!

Mitchell

October 31st, 2011
1:17 pm

Even the lowly Atlanta Braves didn’t want Terry Pendleton to be their manager. Why in God’s name would the World Champion St. Louis Cardinals have the slightest interest?

Jeff Schultz, don’t be ridiculous.

Sonny Clusters

October 31st, 2011
1:17 pm

The Cleveland press likes the Lowe trade calling him “a veteran innings eater” and they may be right. The last time we saw him pitch he ate up 2 1/3 innings while giving up 9 hits and 6 runs. We’d rather see a pumpkin pitch. Lowe is gone and McLouth. Who will be next?

Tom G

October 31st, 2011
1:42 pm

If Pendleton goes, could he take Jason H with him?

Dennis Reynolds

October 31st, 2011
1:45 pm

Dayman….how dare you steal my nicknames. You’re probably the other guy posing as Dennis Reynolds as well.

Mitchell

October 31st, 2011
1:46 pm

That’s the thing. He is an innings eater but you’d hardly know it when Bobby Cox is out there taking him out in the 5th inning of every start when he’s only thrown 79 pitches so he can “save him.”

Gotta save the starters. Just like he “saved” Tommy Hanson from pitching the 9th inning in Houston in a 1-0 game in September ‘09 so he could go to over-used Rafael Soriano who promptly blew the game and the Braves ultimately missed the playoffs in the final days of the season.

Sound familiar?

Derek Lowe was as advertised but much like Michael Bourne, his specific skill was not properly utilized and employed.

And we missed the playoffs.

Sound familiar?

Scott

October 31st, 2011
1:50 pm

Well Oquendo sucks as a coach and Pendleton isn’t much better. Really Terry Francona by far is the best out there

HotDamn

October 31st, 2011
1:52 pm

Why doesn’t fredi go to St Louis? Works for me. oh…..wait…..he’s not a contender.

Chop Chop

October 31st, 2011
1:52 pm

I hope Pendleton gets the Cards’ job. I think he’s well-suited to be a manager. He’s done different things with the Braves, so he has a wealth of experience. Oquendo will probably get it, though.

Chop Chop

October 31st, 2011
1:53 pm

Tito’s going to take the year off. He needs it after Boston.

Dontavius Supremo

October 31st, 2011
2:02 pm

Good for Terry! He deserves a shot.

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tony

October 31st, 2011
2:16 pm

Terry Pendleton, should have been the braves replacement for cox. But the organization is not ready for that after all these years in Atlanta. He would be great for the Cardinals. I hope he gets the job.

Rowland Office

October 31st, 2011
2:20 pm

TP should’ve replaced Bobby. Hiring Fredi could go down as a bigger blunder than Lowe’s contract.

I’ll never understand Braves fans who rip TP. ‘91 never happens w/o him. Good training to be a mgr., too, having played under Bobby and Whitey Herzog. Apparently Fredi was tutored by Eddie Haas and Russ Nixon.

The Truth hurts

October 31st, 2011
2:41 pm

Scott
October 31st, 2011
1:50 pm

Well Oquendo sucks as a coach and Pendleton isn’t much better. Really Terry Francona by far is the best out there

Pendleton coached you? Or are you yet another fool posting their worthless opinion on a blog. My guess is you are a worthless fool posting as Scott.

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bigbrave

October 31st, 2011
3:07 pm

Can we trade Pendleton and a player to be named later to the cards for a starting pitcher?

Homer The Timid

October 31st, 2011
3:07 pm

After Parrish’s performance, I’m thinking the Braves hitting problems are a flaw in the whole organization’s approach not just in one man’s coaching skills. What does it say about the two coaches, that the Braves kept TP on but fired Parrish?

Heisenberg

October 31st, 2011
3:08 pm

That would create an opening to bring back Glenn Hubbard. That is if he would even consider it after getting screwed last year.

JF McNamara

October 31st, 2011
3:27 pm

The people on these boards always shock me. Pendleton had fantastic results as a hitting coach. Parrish had arguably better talent than TP ever had, and the team couldn’t get on base at all down the stretch. You’d think TP was a terrible human being the way he’s treated in this town despite his pretty good results.

I hope he gets the job, or moves on to somewhere where he can be appreciated for doing his job well.