Texas to ACC? Something tells me conference being used

When Longhorn Network launched, Big 12's life expectancy shortened. But could Texas really join the ACC now? Seems doubtful. (AP photo)

When the Longhorn Network launched, the Big 12's life expectancy shortened. But could Texas really join the ACC instead of the Pacific 12 now? It seems doubtful. (AP photo)

Texas to the ACC? I’m not buying it.

If you missed it, the latest rumor on College Sports Conference Armageddon has Texas holding conversations with the ACC about joining the conference if and when the Big 12 implodes. This would amount to a coup for the ACC, which has been perceived to be less than aggressive than other conferences during this insanity — which probably is a point in the ACC’s favor.

Texas is the domino that is causing most of this mess. When it got into bed with ESPN and started the Longhorn Network, the deal did not go over well with their Big 12 brethren. Having a major TV outlet tends to give a school significant advantages when it comes to matters of recruiting, promotion and almost everything else. That’s what spurred Texas A&M (likely headed for the SEC) to ask out. That’s what may prompt Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to leave.

With the possibility of the Big 12 crumbling, Texas is like the unescorted super model who just walked into the party. Every conference is staring at them.

The problem is the Longhorn Network. The Pacific 12, the most likely destination for Texas, says their conference TV deal would conflict with the Longhorn Network. And the Big Ten already has the Big Ten Network. And the SEC — yeah, they kind of have these big deals also.

The ACC has a major contract with ESPN, but apparently is listening to Texas’s pitch (and vice versa). But something tells me Texas isn’t serious about this. It’s all about trying to get leverage. The ACC pulls the school away from its recruiting and fan base. Should the Big 12 fold, I think the Longhorns will end up either joining the Pacific 12 or going independent, like Notre Dame (until something better comes along).

The Austin American Statesman quoted a Texas source as saying, “Texas’ first choice is to keep the Big 12 together.” But that’s not entirely true. Its first choice really is to keep its TV deal together. They just don’t want to look like the bad guy.

Texas would significantly help the ACC steal some attention from the behemoth that is the SEC. But my sense is that the conference is just being used.

By Jeff Schultz

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296 comments Add your comment

5 Time National Champs Nebraska

September 14th, 2011
10:53 am

Yeah…..Not saying it.

JSS

September 14th, 2011
10:54 am

That’s no coup, that’s a 6 year football domination for the Longhorns like FSU did… Unfortunately they will become ACC like… Just VA Tech… Eventually it will happen…

Jacket in CA

September 14th, 2011
10:55 am

First? Get with it east coast …

5 Time National Champs Nebraska

September 14th, 2011
10:57 am

This is where the NCAA fails yet again. They love the money, but do little to administer and police the flow of it. Really, I’m surprised they have not written regulations for conference size and most especially for TV deals that would allow them to skim off the top.

Well, if OK, OK State, & TT...

September 14th, 2011
10:58 am

…do go to the PAC 16 then look for TX to join TAM withe SEC…

David Granger

September 14th, 2011
11:01 am

Let’s see here: We’ll join your conference. We’ll share your revenues, and we’ll telecast our games via the Longhorn network, but that revenue is all ours. And we’re not sharing our bowl revenue with you, either. All for Texas!

Yeah, that’s an attractive sales pitch. But to be fair, it’s already worked once, and now that conference is falling apart. Who knows? Maybe Texas can sell it again…

Aaron

September 14th, 2011
11:04 am

I still think that this is just a leverage move by the UT administration for their eventual move to the PAC or B1G. They want to keep their LHN.

“See. The ACC will allow us to keep our network, why won’t you (B1G or PAC)?”

Jacket in CA

September 14th, 2011
11:04 am

Oops, guess not! The pod system in the ACC sounds interesting; though not sure how you could split the schools geographically and still keep a competitive balance on the field – clearly TX, TX Tech, OK, OK State are much stronger than say the NC schools – I suppose they would have to split them. I would assume you would split the FL schools as well to mainain competitive balance … Which ends up defeating the concept of geographic pods … Just a thought – though the benefits of an expanded ACC far outweigh some of the hurdles with the execution.

The Reverend Baby Doctor Bedpan

September 14th, 2011
11:07 am

You know what is cooler than saying first? Not saying first.

Why is that so important to some of you?

techster

September 14th, 2011
11:11 am

Maybe they want to come to a conference that maintains acadademic integrity and will let them have their tv deal. The journalist comments are soooooooo SEC.

techfan

September 14th, 2011
11:15 am

Yeah, Texas please come over and destroy our conference like you did the Big 12. That sounds great. It’s hard to imagine the North Carolina schools ever letting this happen.

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Texas Pete

September 14th, 2011
11:18 am

Texas needs to go independent as long as the Longhorn Network exists. They didn’t care about the Big 12 when they signed the deal so why care about being in a conference at all?

duronimo

September 14th, 2011
11:19 am

The Texas fanbase is not going to like playing schools so far away from their neighborhood. Half the fun on college football is playing your rivals. Texas should park their greed and rebuild the old Southwest Conference making sure everyone has a fair shake. Or they might get rid of their network and join the SEC. Their fans would love that move..

ed

September 14th, 2011
11:19 am

the acc needs something to juice it up.
it is a joke
even the basketball has declined.
hey techster, NC, MIAMI, GT all on probation. Please with the academic integrity garbage.

TexExInGA

September 14th, 2011
11:22 am

Somehow the importance of academic fit is getting lost here – this all isn’t just about big money, there are some big egos in play also, and they aren’t all in the athletic depts. Techster has it right, academics are part of why the Pac badly wants Tx to come with OU/OSU, and why Tx would come to the ACC but never the SEC.

Hillbilly D

September 14th, 2011
11:22 am

ACC means Atlantic Coast Conference, right?

Adam

September 14th, 2011
11:25 am

The reason why the ACC will allow them to keep their network is because the ACC has a deal with ESPN, who administers the Longhorn Network. It’s all the same money under different titles. The Big Ten or the PAC-10 will only take Texas as a member equal to the USCs and Ohio States along with the Washington States and Indianas. I hope the Pac-12 and BigTen don’t cave into their demands. If Oklahoma, OK State and A&M successfully join the Pac-12 and SEC respectively, Texas will cave, give up their network and follow suit by joining the Pac-12 or the BigTen with Mizzou. The ACC is not in their future. Count on it.

Burdell

September 14th, 2011
11:27 am

Hey ed…you’re an idiot.

“The ACC led the way among BCS conferences in the latest “Best Colleges” rankings released on Tuesday by US News & World Report. It’s the sixth time in the past seven years that the ACC has led all BCS conferences.

The ACC is the only BCS conference to place seven schools among the top 38 in the rankings, and it was also the only BCS conference with over half of its members in the top 50. The ACC has also had a school finish in the top 10 every year since 2006 (one of only two BCS conferences that can make that claim).

Here’s how the schools stacked up:

No. 10 Duke
No. 25 Virginia and Wake Forest
No. 29 North Carolina
No. 31 Boston College
No. 36 Georgia Tech
No. 38 Miami
No. 55 Maryland
No. 68 Clemson
No. 71 Virginia Tech
No. 101 Florida State and NC State”

BD

September 14th, 2011
11:28 am

Why would Texas want to play late games out on the west coast and have their team seen by FEWER east coast sportswriters and have their players subjected to red-eye flights back to Texas at 5 am. The ACC and the east coast means the latest games Texas would play would be a home game.

Plus, viewers all over the country would see Texas play early in the day on Saturday and see coverage of that game during the later games of the day and the Pac12 games. Better for National Championship publicity and Heisman pubicity.

Texas wants to be the big dog at the table. The ACC seems to be a good fit.

reebok

September 14th, 2011
11:29 am

Texas to the ACC makes no sense…ACC should look at programs like West Virginia, South Florida, Louisville, Memphis, even Syracuse…I do hope the ACC doesn’t wait too late and wind up getting broken up because everybody else went ahead & filled their dance cards…although Georgia Tech to the Big East (if the Big East were to survive as a 16-team superconference) wouldn’t be too bad.

7576DAWG

September 14th, 2011
11:29 am

I think Texas will go independent if the Big 12 dissolves. They are way too into themselves and arrogant to ever just become equal members of any one conference. The only conference that they would even consider taking an equal share would be the SEC but this is all about money and being independent will allow them to control all the money .

Jake

September 14th, 2011
11:29 am

According to the LHN agreement all of Texas’ regular season football and basketball games will be included with the normal conference television package unless the conference they’re in agrees otherwise. Why should ACC fans care about Texas using their third tier brodcasting rights to support a regional network in their territory? It screws over Texas and Oklahoma schools that are attempting to compete with Texas in Texas on the recruiting trail, but that’s not an issue for the east coast schools. If Texas wants to keep their pet TV network, the ACC would be happy to have them. What does the ACC have to given the extant constant threat of poaching from the SEC and Big-10? The ACC should give Notre Dame a call as well. Work out some sort of unoffical associate membership whereby Texas and ND would get a slightly smaller share of conference payout, while keeping their own tv contracts. Use the additions as a pretext to renegotiate the ESPN contract up to something competitive. Everybody wins.

TexExInGA

September 14th, 2011
11:29 am

fwiw, LHN is limited to third-tier rights… one or two footbal games, a few basketball games, lots of volleyball, soccer, swimming, etc. Big 12 shares the majority of the TV money equally, as well as all of the bowl money. The schools that left the conference crying about unequal revenue historically voted for that scheme… and A&M took all of the Big 12 exit money from Nebraska & Colorado while Tx and OU passed on it. So there is the typical amount of spin and hypocrisy going on here from all sides…

fanman

September 14th, 2011
11:30 am

Not related to anything above, but has anyone noticed that in the past couple of seasons someones helmet comes almost on every play. Never seemed to be that way before. Just a matter of time before someone takes a helmet to head hit and its not going to be pretty.

Jacket Man

September 14th, 2011
11:31 am

The allure of the ACC for Texas is the academic side vs. the PAC 12 (or whatever they’re calling themselves), and the fact that the ACC will allow them to keep their Longhorn Network because the Big 10 network would be no more, and bringing in Texas, that would allow the ACC to renegotiate their contract with ESPN and pick up a large portion of the Big 10 contract (ESPN also has the Longhorn Network rights).

With Texas coming over, that might also bring over teams like Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma (doubtful), Oklahoma State (doubtful), and Texas Tech. Then the ACC could split into 4 division conferences, including the west, south, north, and Carolina (or something like that). Unfortunately, that would put Tech in a conference with FSU, Miami, and Clemson, so that would be a bear as compared to every other one out there, so perhaps it would be the Carolina and north versus the south and west combos, or something like that. Then you could play seven games in division, if you have a natural rival (like us with UGA or FSU with Florida) you have room for that game, games available for your Western Carolina’s, and even the Chick-fil-A Kickoff. Finally. The champions from each division play for the ACC Championship.

ga gator

September 14th, 2011
11:31 am

BD all good points. Tx does NOT want any part of the SEC except for $$ and they have plenty of that so the ACC does seem like a workable situation for all envolved.

Jacket Man

September 14th, 2011
11:31 am

Sorry, the Big 12 Network…

Jacket Man

September 14th, 2011
11:32 am

And Big 12 contract…

ga gator

September 14th, 2011
11:34 am

fanman I have noticed it also and the only common denominator is the new helmet company Schutt which most schools have gone to. Most helmets use to be Ridell or Wilson and they did not seem to have the problem.

Dontavius Supremo

September 14th, 2011
11:35 am

Ahem, this is clearly about everything except academics.

Tea for two

September 14th, 2011
11:36 am

I really love all the incredibly stupid comments from dawg homers. On the other hand, they’re in their mobile home all day with nothing to do but drink cheap beer and blog. Hopefully, when the unemployment checks run out, they can get their old jobs back sweeping floors or flipping burgers.

michael

September 14th, 2011
11:36 am

is texas that cocky or do they think we are that stupid?? pleeze. oh and tech DOES belong in the SEC where it started.

Jake

September 14th, 2011
11:38 am

“ACC means Atlantic Coast Conference, right?”

Last I heard, the Gulf of Mexico was part of the Atlantic Ocean.

michael

September 14th, 2011
11:41 am

pleeez on the texas ACC thing. they’re arrogant and the ACC is slow. TECH BELONGS IN THE SEC WHERE IT ALL BEGAN……

TexExInGA

September 14th, 2011
11:42 am

Dontavius — true, it’s mostly about $. But Tx is never going to the SEC, a league with only two AAU members (well, three once A&M joins). It just doesn’t fit with Tx’s perception of itself as a major research university. Pac, B1G, ACC all will work.

bwell

September 14th, 2011
11:42 am

who cares!!! SEC RULES

Jacket Man

September 14th, 2011
11:47 am

Georgia, and Georgia’s Legislature, will NEVER allow GA Tech to be invited back into the SEC unless there was absolutely no choice. What I mean by this is if they thought the Big 10 was about to invite the Jackets to join and the SEC didn’t want them to get a footprint in the area for recruiting and TV revenue purposes. That would be about the ONLY reason they would give GA Tech a hint of consideration, and I’m not sure that would even do it.

UGASlobberknocker

September 14th, 2011
11:52 am

Too bad Texas is afraid to join the SEC. And too bad Oklahoma is so sheep-like that they are just content to do what Texas does. They both know io hhey came to the SEC they wont be going undefeated any more.They would rather be big sih in a small pond.

Reality

September 14th, 2011
11:53 am

Leave to an ajc writer to ASSUME that the ACC is being “used” by Texas and that Texas really is just joshing and doesn’t want to join the ACC.

Even though the ACC is a top tier conference and part of the BCS. Even though the ACC pays out more to its members than any other, considering all sports. Even though the ACC TV contract doesn’t conflict with the Texas TV contract.

Give me a break.

Respect the ACC.

cyptomcat

September 14th, 2011
11:54 am

Schultz: “The ACC pulls the school away from its recruiting and fan base.”

and the PAC-12 doesn’t?

Birmingham Jacket

September 14th, 2011
11:55 am

The pansie basketball Carolina schools would never let it happen.

ACC will get plucked by SEC, and we most certainly be invited.

Tech needs to be looking at the Big-10. And I’m sure several like myself have e-mailed Radakovich about this.

No one wants to be stuck in a watered-down conference, playing Duke, Wake Forest, U Conn and Rutgers.

Road (airline) trips to Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin would rock!

Reality

September 14th, 2011
11:56 am

To UGA Slobberknocker:

Maybe doesn’t want the SEC? Ever thought of that? Maybe they don’t like the many NCAA violations handed to the SEC year in and year out. Maybe they don’t like the many player arrests that happen month in and month out. Maybe there is a long list of reasons that the SEC just isn’t all that.

Take off your rose-SEC colored glasses.

Birmingham Jacket

September 14th, 2011
11:56 am

We won’t be invited to SEC

Truth

September 14th, 2011
11:58 am

Someone tell me more about this “footprint” and “presence”.

State of Alabama: University of Alabama & Auburn – 2 Schools
State of Mississipi: Ole Miss and Miss State – 2 Schools

Sounds like a bunch of scared Dawg fans to me. They dont want to fall farther down the ladder of the SEC and dont want anymore competition in their crappy division. They also dont want to lose the “SEC” part of their superiority argument with any ACC schools.

ACC Stands for.....

September 14th, 2011
11:59 am

All Coast is Clear! You can run all day on those teams, no one is going to tackle you and you have daylight all the way to the endzone!

TexExInGA

September 14th, 2011
11:59 am

So, slobberknocker, how is that weak-fish-in-a-big-pond thing working out for you? You sound like aggy, they will fit in well. OU is going out of their way to show they are not being lead around by Tx. I expect the schools are still cooperating, but they very may well end up in separate conferences before all is said and done. And OU doesn’t want any part of the SEC for the same reason Tx doesn’t — they are making major investments to raise their academic profile.

Reality

September 14th, 2011
11:59 am

@BirminghamJacket:

Are you a fake? Certainly u r not a real Tech fan!

The ACC will not be “plucked” by the SEC. Why in the world would you even have a fleeting thought like that? There has been ZERO indications of this from ANY real source. Are you listening to the idiot SEC fans in Alabama?

All of the ACC schools are perfectly happy with the conference and have no reason to jump ship.

Truth

September 14th, 2011
12:00 pm

O yeah, One more,

State of Tennessee: UT and Vanderbuilt – 2 schools!!

Truth

September 14th, 2011
12:00 pm