Braves have chance to deal for Carlos Beltran? Do it now

Addison

July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm

First!!! Beltran is to washed up to give up a top pitching prospect for him

Josh

July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

Yeah I agree, .290 15Hr 61Rbi = Washed up. Lmao

Payton

July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

I think its a good move. Personally, i would like to see Beltran in LF and put Prado at SS for Gonzalez. I think that gives us our best lineup. We might be lacking a little on the defensive side, but it puts our best offensive players out there, which is what we need. I think its worth a shot.

aumatl

July 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

The Braves are a WS contender with or without Beltran. Bring it Philadelphia.

Andy

July 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm

I agree with Payton. Our bats have been the issue so far, not our defense. i think it is worth a shot. If it doesnt work out, you can always go back to Prado in Left and Gonzo at short with Heyward or Schafer platooning with Beltran.

Charlies Hayes

July 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm

See ya Mike Minor. We need a big bat and Beltran is the it! Hey Wren – Get this deal done ASAP!!!!!!

DTC

July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

Jeff, go back on vacation. You made much more sense when you were not writing stuff like this. No, to trading Minor for Beltran! He is not worth losing a possible top notch picther for his entire career, for a 15 home run hitter? No!

Charlies Hayes

July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

While we are dealing with the Mets, lets trade Gonzo/McClouth/Proctor for Jose Reyes!!!!!!

Booger Eatin' Frenzy

July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

Beltran will hit the DL the first week he arrives in Atlanta. I’m not big on Minor or anything, but this idea is a joke.

ted williams head

July 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm

Just talked to Bill Shanks on Macon radio and he outlined the senarios on this trade and from that I say pull the trigger

satchmo

July 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm

How the Astros Hunter Pence?

Charlies Hayes

July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm

The other rumor was to trade Beachy instead of Minor. I would rather keep Beachy. How will Minor help us win this year DTC?

Booger Eatin' Frenzy

July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm

While we are dealing with the Mets, lets trade Gonzo/McClouth/Proctor for Jose Reyes!!!!!!

You are a moron. I hope this isn’t a serious suggestion.

Charlies Hayes

July 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm

Didnt your mama teach you not to call names and eat boogers….

Innocent Bystander

July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

He’s one foul ball off his foot away from making none of this worth it.

Also, statistically speaking, there’s no reason to believe that he’s magically better in the playoffs. Those numbers are more a byproduct of small sample size than anything.

Scott

July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

You r crazy schultz. That guy is washed up. Keep the pitching. The hitting is improving. It’s the pitching that’s let us down so far since the break.

Andy

July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

The mets already said they wont deal Reyes.

Charlies Hayes

July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

Why wouldnt it be a serious suggestion? Reyes could change the dynamics of the Braves to take them to the top. That kid is a run generating machine…..

Starsky

July 22nd, 2011
5:38 pm

Do it.

Andy

July 22nd, 2011
5:38 pm

You have to offer more than that though. Proctor sucks and McClouth and Gonzo are not good enough for Jose Reyes. This deal might work on a video game bud.

Art Vandelay

July 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm

I’d rather have Michael Bourn, but I can’t really say Minor has showed me enough to say he’s untouchable, even if it’s for a rental player like Beltran. If he’s all we’d have to give up in the deal, I’m with you, Schultzie. Do it.

Joe

July 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm

I think the key here is that if the Braves don’t get him, Philadelphia or San Francisco might. I’d give up Minor to make Beltran ours and not theirs. Philly would be deadly with Beltran behind Utley/Howard and in front of Ibanez and breakup that lefty heaviness. Or he’d give the Giants a legit threat in their lineup that they lack.

Keep those teams where they are and improve yourself by giving up a piece that is expendable. The Braves can’t run an 8 man rotation out there anyways, somebody has to go. And they have the prospects to fill the rotation after Hudson/Lowe depart in 2013 even if they deal Minor (Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Medlen, Olberholzer, Perez, etc.)

Buzz ME

July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm

Agree with you Jef but………..I say put some skin i the game and go after Hunter pence. We can give up Minor with Theran at Gwinnett and Medlen waiting to come back. Dump Lowe.

Eric

July 22nd, 2011
5:43 pm

Well said Joe, i was about to say the exact same thing. I think Prado at SS would be a good move also. Gives us our best offensive players out there, thats for sure!

the buck stops somewhere...

July 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm

The Braves are deep in right handed pitching. A 2 month rental for the only left handed major league ready starting pitcher?

ugaaccountant

July 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm

No thanks. No washed up guys needed. We should play with our players, not rentals.

jfreak13713

July 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm

Most of you are missing the bigger point and that is keeping Phillies or Giants from getting Beltran. I wouldn’t mind making less deal to get Frenchy but looking at playoff picture I’d rather see Beltran in Braves uniform. Minor is a PROSPECT not proven starter. There is no reward without some risk. I’d take Beltran if Minor is all we have to give up. He gives you 3 extra wins this year at a minimum.

johnny

July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm

He would be the final piece and maybe a bullpen extra guy… this team is over the top with that move and he is having a good “walk” year. This team has a great chance to win World Series with Beltran. Pull the trigger!

Sonny Clusters

July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm

We was thinking Mike Minor is about the only left hander around. Maybe the Braves don’t need to keep him but sending him to the Mets in the same division could mean heartache for a long time. We was thinking Beltran might make enough of a difference and he might not. When he gets here he may turn into Dan Uggla for the next two months.

jfreak13713

July 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm

Stop with the Hunter Pence stuff. He is scheduled to make TOO much money next year for the numbers he generally puts up. The ONLY way the take a guy like Pence is if they can swing a trade for Lowe and that would force them to have only 1 veteran starting pitcher. NO WAY! Come on guys think before you speak (type) its always about the money.

Glenn

July 22nd, 2011
5:50 pm

When the Braves brought in Lee and Gonzales last year, both of them fizzled out as soon as they arrived in Atlanta after they were traded for. coincidence or Batting Coach? It doesn’t matter to me. The 2 month rental for a prospect like Minor isn’t worth the risk unless he’s willing to extend his contract for another year with team/player options.

TAC

July 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm

Beltran>Schafer and McLouth

I’ll take Beltran for Minor right now to be honest. It may seem a bit stupid to give up 4 or 5 years of Minor for 2 months of Beltran, but we are trying to win it all now,.

Eric

July 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm

i wouldnt mind seeing Frenchy back as a Brave. If he goes to the Mets, i just have this feeling, he will be a guy that can hurt us when we face them. Batting him behind Howard and Ibanez…its pretty dangerous.

Art Vandelay

July 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm

Glenn, we had a different batting coach last year. And Lee fizzled well before we got him.

StevoDeg

July 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm

@aumatl, I like that outlook. Thats what I’ve been looking for from everyone else.

And as I hear this over and over, I like it a little more, but I just cant deal with us trading a promising pitching prospect within our division. I do feel Beltran could help, but this will be a tough call. Wrens paid to make these decisions; glad I dont have to…

killerj

July 22nd, 2011
5:54 pm

Beltran=proven in the clutch……Prospect=taking a chance.Put him in a braves uniform.

JWeihrauch

July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm

For those of you who say Beltran is washed up, please check his stats this year. The guy is hitting .290 with a very good OBP. 61 RBIs are an awesome RBI stats for the Braves lineup. I’m not sure how I feel about renting the player for a year at the though of seeing Minor throwing against our team. Minor is no scrub. He was the favorite going into the season to win the starting job, not Beachy. If Lowe could get traded to the Tigers and then we sign Beltran for WAY less money than he is getting now (end of a monster deal), then it would be totally worth it. My thoughts. GO BRAVES!!!

Nativebird

July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm

Oh that’s great. What, you been drinking that Braves “gee-we-wanna-be-a-playa-too-and-make-stupid-trades” coolaid that this franchise seems to feed intravenously to Braves GM’s when they arrive at their office each day?
Stop…..puuulease. You build through the Draft and a great farm system. NOT rent-a-wash-up, nor rent-a-billionaire that you know you can’t resign, for 2 months.

ray k.

July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm

For Delgado OR minor, yes. Teheran or vizcaino, no way.

NewbombTurk

July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm

Get him before the Phillies do!!!!!! Minor might be a great pitcher down the road…might be. Beltran is a sure thing right now. GET HIM!!!

James

July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm

Prado at SS! I hate Gonzo!

Cheesehead

July 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm

No Frenchy! Pleeeeaaasse! Get Beltran, keep him away from Phillies & Giants, & Win The World Series!

Whopper Dawg

July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm

Keep the pitching. He is not a difference maker. A quality starter for a two month rental is just not smart. Now, if you could trade him for a batting coach, you might be doing something. We got the bats, they ain’t hitting.

VinnyD

July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm

I don’t see Minor as an ace anyways. Most thought we drafted him too high to begin with because of a low ceiling. I see him as a future solid pitcher, 3.50-3.96 era, 13 win kinda guy.

James

July 22nd, 2011
6:00 pm

Prado at SS!!

bwell

July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

ARE THE BRAVES DUMB!!!!!!!! who cares if they win the East or not, record shows that they bomb out in the firstt round and he is in his final yr! REALLY, didnt we give up Wainwright? and other pitchers before? H-NO do not do it! Unless he sign a contract before the trade. REALLY two months of services, I can see if you are talking about Big Papa or Pujlos! Do not do it!

NorCal Brave

July 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm

Minor straight up for Beltran makes sense. We keep Beachy, still have outstanding minor league prospects, and Kris Medlen’s eventual return. Two (hopefully three) months with Beltran will vastly
improve the offense and the outfield options. If Carlos goes to the Phillies, it shuts the door on our
getting to the WS.

James

July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm

Prado at SS!!! you guys think it is a good move??

Cedric

July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm

How do we know the Mets would take Minor anyway but if they would I will pull the trigger my damn self

Joe

July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm

Imagine this Braves fans:

Braves trade away Mike Minor, Omar Infante, Mike Dunn
Braves get back Dan Uggla and Carlos Beltran

You wouldn’t make that trade? You’d rule your fantasy league if you could find some moron dumb enough to make that deal.

Frank Wren is a genius.

BMC

July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm

Just go ahead and throw in Heyward and Freeman too. Let the Phillies give up their Prospects.How much improvement did Texeira give the Braves for two months?

Joe

July 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm

My thing is this:

Does anyone think Brandon Beachy is going to be the #1 starter on this staff? He’s good, but no. But he beat out Minor for that #5 spot this spring. Minor has nice stuff but he’s never going to be a #1 starter. There’s nothing to fear from making this deal. So you face him in the NL East, big deal.

Dave Harrell

July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

No way! Beltran can no longer hit a mule in the butt with a blanket. Why not just allow any team to pick one of our prospects for a lunch at Chic-fil-a!

jerry

July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Minor is 4-4 with a 5.35. I know he is young but I don’t think anyone is saying he is the next Koufax.

Bravesfan54

July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm

Jeff – no siree! What – Mets get Minor for at 4 years of apprenticed baseball and we get Beltran for two months – oh, forgot make that 2 months plus the right to vastly overpay him for the “career close-out contract” he is sure to demand. He has the average, 15 dingers, and 61 rbi, and were paying a guy 15+ over 4 years already – and plus, Chipper for another year, and Lowe, and isn’t Jurrgens arb eligble. We did Tex bit. Same game, different name. No siree Bob.

James

July 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm

1. Schafer
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Freeman
6. Uggla
7. Beltran
8. Heyward.

pretty tough lineup if you ask me

Herschel Talker

July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm

Schultzie:

You are correct. If they can get him for Minor, we must do it ASAP.

HT

Bravo Bravos

July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Giving up pitching for short -term rental has bitten the Braves in the behind before. With the shortage of lefties in the system not sure it would be a wise move. If the Braves do give up Minor for Beltran, why not have the Mets throw in a middle reliever in the deal. The Mets are obviously not going anywhere this year and have no chance of signing Beltran again. The Braves instead of getting only a two month rental player for a legitimate solid left-handed starting pitcher for the next several years would at least have another relief pitcher to help them through this season and beyond. Thus the deal is more about a pitcher swap than just obtaining a rental bat for the rest of the season.

Paddy

July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Great, great move if we can make it. When you have a chance, pull out all the stops. Forget the Texeira trade. Each year is always a different set of circumstances. Go for the brass ring when you can. John S. did when he was GM. I put him up there with Bill Lucas as the best gm’s in Braves history.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm

Agree. For the most part trading for a rental player is not a good idea, but the Braves are one of the four best teams in the major leagues, and acquiring a player of his caliber might be the difference between winning a World Series and not winning a World Series. And as good a prospect as Minor may be, the Braves have plenty of other top of the line pitching prospects.

braveschamps11

July 22nd, 2011
6:30 pm

Beltran is worth mike minor who has really not been that impressive overall and probably is no better than a 3rd starter in big leagues. Braves are loaded with way better prospects than minor. Beachy for Beltran no way but minor is a good deal. The mets will be willing to pay most of beltran’s salary. Pence is not possible since the astros are asking for 3 top prospects. Our only other options are streaky low avg occasional hr hitting guys similar to what gonzalez is. We need guys that can get on base consistently, braves have had way too many solo hrs this yr. Beltran and another reliever would put braves over top. The team now or with another low avg hitter is a team that will make playoffs but prob would not be able to matchup vs phillies, yankees, or red sox come playoff time unless somehow they are hitting on all cylinders at the time.

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm

Beltran is the all-time leader in OPs in Post-season and is tied for most homeruns in one postseason. Oh and he currently leads NL in doubles and is in top ten in RBIs and OPs. If we get him – just for this stretch run/playoffs alone – for Minor it will be the biggest steal ever. Can’t even believe the Mets who settle for just him. Minor will never be a #1 starter for us and we are loaded in minors of quality arms.

satchmo

July 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

Agree, get him , who’s the reliever we need?

Brian

July 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

All I have to say is, if the Braves don’t pull the trigger and he ends up a Philly, I don’t want to hear any dumba$$e$ wanting to fire FG for losing to a team with more than twice the payroll. Sometimes you have to take a s/t chance or two when you are this close. Braves have PLENTY of pitching s/t and l/t.

Birrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd Man

July 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm

Don’t get me riled-up on my drinkin’ night; no more trading the future for a hired gun. Dance with the one that brought you.

Bravos rule

July 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm

I see a lot of people suggesting prado moving to short stop. Can he play short, it’s not like playing any other position on the field. That is one position that you will sacrifice a little offense for great defense.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm

I think you have to make the move to keep his bat away from Philly and SF. Those two teams are in the same shape as the Braves. Trade Minor QUICK for Beltran.

Bravos rule

July 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm

I don’t think minor is going to be a top starter in this league. I say trade for Beltran now before anyone else gets him. We still need a right handed relief pitcher. Who is that player going to be?

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm

@Dave Harrell: “No way! Beltran can no longer hit a mule in the butt with a blanket.”

If he’s that bad a hitter now why was he an all-star? Why does he lead NL in doubles, is 8th in RBIs, 10th in OBP, 8th in Slg%, 9th in OPS? Seriously! He’s as good a hitter right now as McCann. McCann has a higher average and 1 more HR but in ever other category, Beltran is better.

Darryl Blackberry

July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm

Mike Minor and Nate McLouth

for:

Carlos Beltran and Willie Harris

I could live with a trade like that.

dawg4u

July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm

I agree that if we don’t get Beltran, then he would end up with the Phillies or Giants. The best scenario would be for him to go to the Giants. The Braves should win the wild card with or without Beltran and they would probably need him to get past the Phillies as division winners. I would get him just to keep the Phillies out of the mix because if they get Beltran, then they will really be even heavier favorites to be the NL rep in the WS.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm

Exactly dawg4u. You go out and aquire him and he is your number three hitter also. Not your seventh hitter as someone put up earlier. Where else could you get a 3 hole hitter for at best a #3 starter for the stretch run. I wanna see them make a run at winning it THIS YEAR! I am not worried about Minor becoming elite. It is not apparent thus far he has the stuff to do it. Go make the move.

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm

Think McCann is having a stud year at the plate? How would you like to have another bat like his in the line-up that is switch-hitter, has a history of performing at high level in playoffs and other teams will fear? Would you give up a prospect who will be your #5 or #4 starter at best when you have lot of quality arms in your system?

PLAYER AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
Beltran 338 56 98 30 2 15 61 3 0 53 59 .290 .387 .524 .911
McCann 316 39 98 15 0 16 53 3 1 36 52 .310 .380 .509 .890

sheepdawg

July 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm

would be as bad as the jd drew trade

"Chef" Tim Dix

July 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm

I do not covet Mike Minor. Beltran MIGHT get hurt getting off the plane after the trade.

UNLESS there is a viable option at SS, I say do it. Now.

Tim L.

July 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm

I’d rather see us trade Derek Lowe to Detroit and move Mike Minor into the #5 starting slot. Just freeing up the $15 million for next year and remaining portion for this year would be good. Then we could have $$$ to spend on a right-handed hitting CF like Marlon Byrd – from the 20 games below .500 Cubs.

Byrd is in the 2nd year of a 3 year $15 million contract. Byrd missed 30 games after being hit in the face, but is 8 for 26 in his last 7 games and is hitting .303 overall in 60 games.

Mike D.

July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm

Well just seen on MLB TradeRumors that a source stated Braves would be doubtful in parting with Minor in a deal for Beltran….so once again we get all the hype talk up and we get let down again so guess Beltran will be heading to the Giants or Phills to win a ring…..unless Frank has some other
off up his sleeve.

OldTimer

July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm

Beltran is a turd bucket.

Joey

July 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm

Get him!

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm

Minor for Beltran not the same as the Teixeira debacle or even Wainwright for JD Drew. This is more like the prospects we gave Padres for Fred McGriff. Remember them? Yeah we should have never given that Melvin Nieves. He had great potential as a hitter and we only had guys like Chipper Jones and Javy Lopez at Richmond. Huge risk. We might not have signed him. Why did we ever do that?

jhughes

July 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm

the one negative for him is that he has not hit lefties well thats what we need

BIG BEE

July 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm

No.No.No.NO.No!

Dirty Dawg

July 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm

Do it…assuming we don’t have to give ‘em anybody else. No way we’re gettin’ Pence unless we do another ‘give away’ to a Texas team, and I’m not for that. The Mets know they aren’t gonna keep Beltran so they likely would go for the Minor deal – particularly if Atlanta picked up the all of the rest of his salary for this year.

Not too clear about Prado at short…since when has he played it? I don’t have a recollection of him ever doing so here. We may have to use him and Beltran in some sort of continuous ’super-sub’ role.

ummm....

July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm

Did Schultz just try to sell this idea by saying Beltran would be a good platoon player? Hell, might as well get Diaz back if that is what the Braves are wanting. Ridiculous rationalization.

chris

July 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm

Jeff, 100% agree…Minor is not going to be a major piece here in the future as I see it..so lets do it and who knows we may squeak out and get lucky on Carlos liking it here he’ll stay with us a year or more before he retires.

@___ISH___

July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm

Minor’s all it would cost? Do it.

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm

@jhughes “the one negative for him is that he has not hit lefties well thats what we need”

Carlos Beltran is 2nd in majors in homeruns vs LHP behind Granderson. Doesn’t sound that negative to me. His avg is low vs LHP this year but for career has been solid.

Plate Appearance

July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm

HOLD TIGHT FRANK

The Braves don’t need another two month rental!

Don’t make a move like this Frank! Think long term, rather than short term.

And as for relief help, bring up one of the blue chip starting pitchers in the minors — much like you did previously with Medlen — to fill in this needed pitching gap.

You really don’t have to make a trade Frank — just because it’s trade deadline time.

Be wise instead and HOLD TIGHT, and we’ll applaud you for it!

eastbound and down

July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm

schultz you’re an idiot. stick to something that u know something about. like taking a vacation.

Paddy

July 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm

Yes….do it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously

July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm

I know its been 7 years but in 2004, Astros rented Carlos Beltran for a couple of months and he went off. Had most homeruns in playoffs and that’s w/o playing in World Series. Three of those were in Turner Field. Beltran almost single handedly beat a loaded Cardinals team in NLCS. Two years later he goes off again vs Cards as a Met. He has the highest career OPS in playoff baseball —- ever! I would take my chances with a guy like that. He’s more Mr. October than Reggie Jackson, Mr. October himself

Dawgs Man

July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm

Can we trade Seabass for a mop? How about a bucket of balls? Maybe a bag of sunflower seeds. Just release the no-hitting loser.

josh

July 22nd, 2011
7:43 pm

If you are going to platoon an outfielder why not go young cheap and durable. Go after frenchy. Texas had him platooning in right and he had good numbers against lefthanded pitching. He is tough and will play 162 games ayer given the chance. He also won’t be asking for much money next year. Ramirez is playing well and you have to make a move. You could offer mcclouth or Schaeffer for a middle reliever

Dallas Falcon

July 22nd, 2011
7:45 pm

Don’t do it! Adding a bat is never as effective as adding a proven pitcher during a pennant race. Even if Minor is still a prospect, he’ll be worth more as trade bait later. Beltran just won’t improve the offense that much and he’s gone and Minor is gone in two months with nothing to show for it.

M10

July 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm

Make the trade its instantly makes this team better and gives them a chance at going far in the playoffs,if the Phillies get him there easy favs for the WS.

Stinger2

July 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm

Schultz: Just because Olney puts out his trade rumors does not mean you should stir up all the Braves fans without trying to get at least some info. from the Braves to see if they might be looking into such a trade. I realize they won`t say much but it would at least make it look like you are doing your job. You are not the Braves GM. Do some homework and don`t be so lazy before you write a blog like this.

1eyedJack

July 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm

I almost get the feeling I’m going to a hanging, what with the Mets dangling the Phillies and Giants over our heads. However, you definitely don’t want to see him in the Phillies lineup. Also, you may just see the Giants again in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Now, if you consider Minor to be one of your top two pitching prospects then you don’t make the deal, but if you have him third or lower, make the deal.

Pluto

July 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm

M10, Phillies were easy favs for the WS last year, too.

Finkle is Einhorn

July 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm

agree

mville hawks

July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm

why not we go after UBALDO JIMENEZ?
if he in trade block , we should b after him

dawg4u

July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm

Totally agree Low Country. I was checking out the Philly blogs yesterday and they were pretty consistent in wanting the Phils to get Beltran if only to keep the Braves from getting him. That move would scare them no doubt and I really believe Beltran would be a Fred McGriff type hitter plus he’s money in the post season!

dawg4u

July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm

Also don’t think Minor has been that impressive. He is coveted because he’s a lefty but with Beachy and Medlen coming back next year we can afford to part with some pitching to get a big bat!

country boy

July 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm

I hope Frank Wren is smart enough to just be posturing about making a Minor for Beltran trade in order to make the Phils have to pay an expensive price for a trade.

Mike Minor

July 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm

I completely agree. Don’t trade me for this injury prone has been! I love being a Brave!

Jim Tavegia

July 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm

The only downside would be if the Phillies take him. The braves probably have the best defensive outfield in the league and the worst offensive outfield in the league. A lot of money for a gamble on a few months rental. I don’t like trading pitching within the division either.

Oh Well

July 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm

If all they want is Minor and they’re paying Beltran’s salary do the DEAL! You would be crazy not to. It could be the difference in winning it all. If you never that a chance you will never have nothing. Minor may never turn out to be crap..Take the Chance..do the Deal!

Briley Parkway

July 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm

Schultz, do us all a favor, leave the Braves to someone who actually has a clue about baseball e.g. DOB)and stick to writing about something you understand…whatever that is

Mr.Man

July 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm

get Pence he may be worth a lot but he’s a great player and at least won’t be a rental. Lineup: Prado, Heyward, Pence, Mccann, Freeman, Jones, Uggla, Schafer, Pitcher

Oh Well

July 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm

After Beltran, go get a middle relief pitcher from Padres are Blue Jays.

Send JS back to AAA to play everyday..get his hit up to par.

Hammond B3

July 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

I would give proctor for him and that all

Oh Well

July 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

Parkway what a nut..Jeff is just as good are better. Only difference Jeff covers everything and DOB just does BBQ, Music and baseball.

UGAFAN13

July 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

What is it about the all star break and our starting pitching. Looks like we are coming out of the offensive funk only to have our starting pitching go into the tank!

jb

July 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

~~Hammond B3~~do you play a Hammond B3? The greatest sound in music. Love it.

extremus

July 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

If Beltran or any other “difference maker” comes to Atlanta and immediately his numbers drop off like Dan Uggla’s did (though to be fair he’s done somewhat better lately), it would be a DEFINITE sign that something is fundamentally wrong here at the big-league level. But based on recent history it very well COULD happen; something to consider before sending off a young and promising pitcher for that “rental”.

On the flip side, just keep talking about sending Heyward back to the minors; that seems to have helped light a fire under him the past couple of days. Funny how potentially losing a lucrative job can do that for some players.

jb

July 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm

amen! ~~extremus~~ Couldn’t have said it better.

tyger

July 22nd, 2011
9:11 pm

Yes! Beltran Yes!

How many pitching prospects have come and gone around here? Minor wont make a difference, however, Beltran will.

Schafer, Heyward, Uggla, McClouth, Gonzalez all batting below .250 – you cant compete against the great teams like that.

Screw a rental, we need him next year too. Chippers done and his albatross comes off the books, plus Lowe ought to be gone as well. There’s money for this Say Hey Kid!

jb

July 22nd, 2011
9:13 pm

Chipper has another year unless he retires and “He ain’t no quitter”

Terrence Moore

July 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm

The trade will never happen. We all know the Braves aren’t going to trade a white guy for a black guy.

atlanta fans are idiots

July 22nd, 2011
9:15 pm

for a thinking man’s game, baseball sure draws a lot of stupid fans in this town. 15-60-.290 at the break is 30-120-.290 for the season. if that’s washed up, the all-star game was full of washed up guys, this one included. he’d be the most productive guy in the lineup if the braves could add him.

NumbaOneFan

July 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm

You heard it here first. The Braves will be acquiring David Wright along with a 2nd player, possibly a reliever a reliever for Mike Minor from the Mets

BK bro.

July 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

~~T Moore~~ only one r in Terence. You have already said that over on DOB’s blog..Whats your problem? color has nothing to do with being a great ball player…BUT FACT… Beltran is from Manati, Puerto Rico and he is not black. Have a great day feeling sorry for yourself.

jb

July 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

sorry about that…

M10

July 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Pluto,I understand but Beltran most certainly would increase there chance.

jb

July 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Beltran is married to Lugo’s sister….

RAPHAEL

July 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm

MINOR IS A PROSPECT. HE IS GOOD SO FAR, BUT HE IS JUST A PROSPECT. REMEMBER WHEN THE METS MADE A GREAT SIGNING OF O. PEREZ? HE IS JUST A PROSPECT. I WOULD TRADE TEHRAN FOR A WORLD SERIES BIRTH. COME’ ON! GREG MADDUX, TOM GLAVINE AND SMOLTZ ARE SOME OF THE GREATEST PITCHERS EVER…. = 1 WORLD SERIES….. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO ALL IN AND GAMBLE A BIT!!!

bwash11

July 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm

Prado
Beltran
Chipper
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzalez

Now that’s a stacked lineup. Beltran gives us a great OBP in front of Chipper and McCann.

I’d rather see that than this:

Rollins
Beltran
Utley
Howard
Victorino
Ibanez
Francisco
Ruiz

bwash11

July 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

Please, not Proctor in a tie game.

The Voice of Reason

July 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm

I got two words for ya…DAN UGGLA! (Dont’ do it Frank!)

bwash11

July 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm

Uggla!!! Unreal

Wow, that'd be terrible.

July 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm

Why do we want the Mets scraps? I bet if the Mets throw in a 16 yr old pitcher in rookie ball, Wren will die to get Beltran.

JASon

July 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

“He could be the difference in the them winning the National League East Division.”

Hey, moron, WE DON’T NEED TO WIN THE DIVISION. We are up against the best team in the majors. Lets get over this idea that we should shoot to win the division.

Sunshine Falcon

July 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

Just say no. Maybe Upton, from Tampa, but not Beltran.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 22nd, 2011
10:07 pm

The Braves if they do not make this deal if it just takes Minor are fools if he ends up in Philly or SF. I am glad alot of you guys are not our GM or a deal would never get made b/c you are to scared to make another Tex deal.

Braves of the ’90’s made a living moving prospects for bats. Wrenn needs to step up and make the deal. If they are serious about winning it all this is the tell tell sign. This Braves fan for one is watching the outcome intently. I will be curious what it takes to get this bat and if the Braves are aggressive or stand pat. Remember 1 World Series for all those Division Titles….

Sunshine Falcon

July 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm

Oh yeah, the guy Hunter Pence from the Astros would be even better.
That dude is young and he is a baller!

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

Pence is up for arbitration and will command several prosects. Upton is essentially another .250 OF with a little pop and speed. I hate it as I watched him as a Riverdog but that guy is a bust.

Scotty

July 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm

What about B.J. Upton? I have heard his name thrown around a good bit.

NowWeKnowWhyYouDontCoach

July 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm

Schultz,
Thank you for restoring my opinion of you as an idiot. You admit that Beltran isn’t what he used to be. We don’t actually need another outfielder and you’d probably only have him for a few months. AND you’d give up a great young pitcher to get him?

Do us all a favor and retire please.

Briley Parkway

July 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

Oh well, if you really think Schultz is a sportwriter you’re the nut. Jeff may “cover everything” but that doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about. I have never seen him write anything that demonstrates even a basic understanding of the game of baseball…or college football…or pro football…or basketball. He should be on the editorial page with Gay Bookman and Sinthia Tucker with his left-wing political crap.

J Schuerholz

July 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

I wrote the book on renting players and I say do it. Adam Wainwright was a small price to pay for 14 months of JD Drew!

Matt the Brave

July 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm

NONONONONONONONONONONONO. Reason being: you don’t want to give one of your main opponents, one that you see 18 games a year, a leg up on competition. I understand the wanting to win a World Series now, but we’re not like the Phillies where we are seeing our window closing. If anything, we’re seeing the window for multiple banners opening up right now.

Ross

July 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm

Geez Jeff, are you CRAZY? We don’t know yet whether Beachy or Minor or both are keepers. Until then, we have plenty of pitching and offense to win. And another Old Fart on the bench will just spoil the chemistry of these kids, who are the best reason in decades to watch baseball.

Damn!

-drl

He Can What?...

July 22nd, 2011
10:39 pm

“. He’s a switch hitter and can platoon in center field (Jordan Schafer) or right (Jason Heyward)” Why would you pull the trigger on a deal like this to platoon a player for 2 months? I hope Freddie Gonzalez is not that dumb and it is only you Shultz.

Red Stick

July 22nd, 2011
10:41 pm

I wouldn’t give up a top prospect for Beltran. He’s a 2 month rental and has been a huge disappointment for the Mets, discounting this year, for the money they’ve paid him.

Native to the ATL

July 22nd, 2011
11:03 pm

Leave him alone….trade for Frenchy. this thing we have in RF atmis an overhyped sissy. Trade him,(Sleyward) out west or to the Chi Sox for their hitter.

nope

July 22nd, 2011
11:11 pm

Every year around this time, it seems the Braves are either making a big move or being encouraged to do so. Actually, this team appears to be in a much better position than in the recent past and really should just concentrate on trying to build on what they already have, rather than sending players with encouraging futures for someone who’s nothing more than an image of a messiah who may or may not be able to save them for a year. One player isn’t going to shift a team’s fortunes. Texiera didn’t do it and Derek Lee didn’t a year ago. Stop these crazy trades just because they can be made and focus on the future. This team has a good base of talent already in place. It has the second best record in the National League. Leave the team alone and just line them up and let them play and may the best team win in the end. That’s how it should be. No team is ever going to be perfect or always have all the right players in place. Teams that win often have players to play beyond their talent levels when it counts the most and never give up. Just because a player is talented, doesn’t mean he’s going to be productive with a late season change of scenery, not to mention what impact that person could have on a team’s chemistry. This team seems to play very well together and the players come across as very supportive of each other. Just look at all the positive things said about Brooks Conrad by his teammates a couple nights ago. I went to the two of the playoff games last year and couldn’t imagine anyone on the team trusting him after what I saw, but that’s what teams are supposed to do…stick together through thick and thin. Look what Philadelphia did a year ago, bringing its all-world pitchers in, only to watch the Giants win the World Series. Unless a championship is won, selling the future for a temporary, un-loyal and too expensive player is never worth it, and if there’s failure, all fingers start pointing back to management. Not worth it. Just play the games and try to stay healthy. If this is the Braves year to win the East…they’ll win it. If it’s their year to win the pennant…that’ll happen as well…same for the World Series. And keep in mind, this team has only won one World Series since being in Atlanta. Despite the success of the 90s and the early part of the last decade…the Braves not winning the World Series shouldn’t be that much of a disappointment to anyone. I would like to see it happen…but, as I said. Build the team for the future and stop rushing it with quick fixes. I’d rather see a sustained winner vs a drop in the pan and dismantled team after a few years. And, concerning Derek Lowe…the team knew what it was paying him when it brought him here and dumping him because of salary will put egg on their face. Let the man pitch and stop distracting him by sending the message that he isn’t wanted or his contributions not needed.

don

July 22nd, 2011
11:12 pm

Sure, Mr. Schultz, Beltran will lead the Braves to the WS just like “Big Tex” did. then, as we see an early October end to the season, we can wait a year or two and see Minor possibly become a quality starter in the same mold as Wainwright, Marquis, Harrison, and Morton. At that time, of course, Beltran will be playing (or be on the DL) elsewhere.

Cloudodust

July 22nd, 2011
11:12 pm

He could be the difference maker, then again, he could implode when he puts on a Braves uni…It wouldn’t be the first time Atlanta got ripped for the Pie in the Sky trade of trades. Here’s to hoping we’ll never kknow…

heartofdarkness

July 22nd, 2011
11:26 pm

Let’s face it, third base and the three outfield positions will be staffed by committee until the middle of September. At that point, one hopes players emerge at each position with enough production and good health, that the manager can think about a regular lineup, or maybe a platoon situation somewhere in the outfield. Having a righty batter hitting over .275 with some pop to throw into the mix should see the Braves deep into the playoffs, everything else being even. The optimum situation would be to get a player you could retain beyond this year, who is young enough to permit the hope his best year(s) are ahead of him.

wins-by-a-link

July 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm

Tell me one trade the Braves have made by giving up prospects for rentals that ever worked out in a positive manner, Look at all the talent we gave up for Texeira, And what did that get us, A depleated farm system,

Dawg Whisperer

July 22nd, 2011
11:44 pm

I say no. No to rental players. No to the idea that we flush the old adage that you can’t have enough pitching. And no to this potential trade for Beltran. The only cavaet, ensure that Beltran can be reasonably signed for a multi-year deal. Minor will probably have a long career. No sense giving him away.

gcs

July 23rd, 2011
12:03 am

1. Prado does not have enough experience playing shortstop. You can’t just PUT him there.
2. Beltran (age 34) played 145 games in 2009-2010. He is due for an injury any day now.
3. You never want to give a rival team a pitcher who is going to pitch against you for the next 10 years. Especially a lefty.
4. The Braves have been burned too many times by rent-a-players.
5. The Braves are good enough as they are now to win it all.

The Braves are the pretty girl at the school dance. Everyone wants to dance with her and she can pick and choose. The Mets would have to sweeten the pot before a deal like this is made.

.

bravos007

July 23rd, 2011
12:09 am

when in the hell will the braves learn? renting outfielders who are past their prime has not worked b4 and it won’t work now. KEEP MINOR.

Air Zaza

July 23rd, 2011
12:21 am

I rather B.J. Upton and I don’t think Minor is enough to get Beltran either but I will rather Upton.

benchwarmer

July 23rd, 2011
12:43 am

dl,dl,dl,dl! That’s all I see for Beltran. Minor is worth more than the risk involved in a talented but often injured Beltran. No trade.

benchwarmer

July 23rd, 2011
12:48 am

Nope is right.

Air Zaza

July 23rd, 2011
1:04 am

Prado-Upton-Heyward is the most talented outfield since Andy Van Slyke-Bonilla-Bonds in Pittsburgh. That’s the move we need to make. Trade Minor for Upton straight up.

Air Zaza

July 23rd, 2011
1:10 am

Beltran is 34. His contract is in his last year. He best days are behind him. If we are going to trade Proctor or a couple mid tier prospects, sure. But not for Minor or better. He has no potential for a talent like Minor.

bowman

July 23rd, 2011
1:12 am

NOT.

bowman
– -
“Art will always be Art.” – Goethe

Justdo it!

July 23rd, 2011
1:22 am

Everyone, please! Minor is not even at the major league level. Forget the talk of upsetting team chemistry. We have the chance to add a difference maker to our everyday line-up and a deal needs to be made. Do any of you actually think the Braves can go deep into the playoffs with McClouth and Schaffer both hitting around .225. We need outfield pop and this trade would provide it. Those who say he is washed up evidently don’t look at stats because he is statistically better than anyone on the Braves right now. I would rather get someone that can be signed long term, but this would drastically improve our offense. Plug him in anywhere in the outfield and it would be an upgrade. I know everyone loves Heyward but he will continue to struggle until he gets more aggressive at the plate. Make the trade if only to keep your biggest rival from upgrading their offense. Minor is not that high of a price to pay for a proven bat that could help this team in the playoffs.

Smoove Criminal

July 23rd, 2011
1:45 am

“He’s a switch hitter and can platoon in center field (Jordan Schafer) or right (Jason Heyward).”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Braves won’t bring Beltran over to platoon for 2 months like some others have already said. If Beltran platoons with anyone it will be Nat McLouth. Heyward is starting to come around it looks like so why would he sit? Schafer has shot himself in the foot with nearly every single opportunity he’s been given and although Wren has the biggest man crush ever on him, he’ll be the odd man out and going back to AAA if Beltran is traded for.

bulldawgbob

July 23rd, 2011
2:19 am

Didn’t we learn anything from the Texeira fiasco? Salty has never been the catcher everyone thought he was, but Neftali Perez and Elvis Andrus are stars for Texas. Minor for Beltran, bad idea.

Tron5000

July 23rd, 2011
3:19 am

If he had another year on his deal I may agree. But he doesn’t, so I don’t. His October worth has been greatly overrated. That’s why the Mets paid him such a ridiculous contract. And none of his October teams have ever done anything, so he may put up numbers, but does he put them up when it counts?

Stinger2

July 23rd, 2011
5:07 am

Frank Wren does not consult with Schultz, any other media person, or and blogger before he makes a move. Thank goodness for that. The media`s job is to cover the games and report the facts….not to play like managers or GM. The fans should just watch and enjoy the games. They have no clue as to how a team should be built.

what of it?

July 23rd, 2011
5:30 am

For all of the yankees big bats they didn’t make the WS, nor has Beltran ever played in a WS. Last time we went for a bat (texiera) we didn’t even make the post season

Minor is not a prospect anymore. He’s major league ready and left-handed. We would be fools not to keep some insurance in the starting rotation. Last year we were throwing beachy for his first big league start in the final series of the year. The ted isn’t built for big bats and the long ball era is over

Carpetbagger

July 23rd, 2011
5:54 am

The Braves will never reach their potential with Terry McGuirk at the helm. He is WORTHLESS!

Bud Wiser

July 23rd, 2011
6:14 am

Two words – Len Barker.

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July 23rd, 2011
7:19 am

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David

July 23rd, 2011
8:13 am

As of this morning, the Braves have the 4th best record in baseball. I think the Braves are set – seems like there’s a different hero every day. I wouldn’t trade anyone one right now. Team chemistry is good.

falcon

July 23rd, 2011
8:15 am

no thanks…….rental players have not worked out too well in the past. I’d rather find an OF that still had some upside and would remain with the organization for a few years. Beltran is not the guy!

Runnin With The Dawgs

July 23rd, 2011
8:22 am

I agree with David. The Braves have the 2nd best record in the National League. Beltran MIGHT make a good addition to the team, but I wouldn’t trade a good pitcher or even a good prospect for him. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I say keep the team as young and hungry as possible. “GO BRAVES”!

DawgInaTruck

July 23rd, 2011
8:26 am

The hitting is slowly starting to come around (see Uggla and Heyward) and, barring a huge and unforseen disaster, we get Chipper back in a few weeks. The offense won’t be our problem/challenge down the stretch, middle relief will.

You never have enough pitching and dealing Minor for a two month rental who, while still a productive player, is past his prime is simply unwise long-range planning. This Braves team is not complete but look around; in today’s game no team is.

The biggest caveat in the entire situation is the status of team ownership after this season. If you know that, this decision becomes easy. If we are gonna get sold off again and/or be forced to deal with additional payroll restrictions, go for it now because we are going to get gutted in the future anyway.

BTW Stinger2, your post makes way too much sense. You don’t stand a chance here.

d- vegas

July 23rd, 2011
8:32 am

if there going to get beltran then they need to get him soon like today because the longer hes out there then the value of renting him goes down because theres less games to play and the braves just drafted a similar lefty in the draft with similar potential. i believe his last name is gilmartin.

Lou

July 23rd, 2011
8:35 am

Beltran guarantees (barring an injury) yes guarantees post season play for the Braves. McCann, Uggla, Heyward, Freeman. Gonazalez and Beltran make a preety powerful lineup and you still have bench strenghth The Braves have so much pitching strength that it won’t even be a blip onthe screen to trade one or two prospects. Do it!

Scott

July 23rd, 2011
8:43 am

Jeff, you must be getting old. Your memory is gone. Wainwright for Drew, the Texas debacle, on and on and on. When will we quit trading away the future for the short term rental of an over the hill ’star”.

ET

July 23rd, 2011
8:45 am

bulldawgbob wrote:

July 23rd, 2011
2:19 am
Didn’t we learn anything from the Texeira fiasco? Salty has never been the catcher everyone thought he was, but Neftali Perez and Elvis Andrus are stars for Texas. Minor for Beltran, bad idea.

Top Dawg

July 23rd, 2011
8:47 am

If we could get him for a few years, then okay, I agree (with Shultzie). However, if it’s just for the remainder of this year, I say no way.

Joe Tess Fish House

July 23rd, 2011
9:00 am

Aint nobody gonna help the Braves until they git rid of there loosing managar.

braveshoo

July 23rd, 2011
9:06 am

Keep in mind that you are trading within the division. The Braves have trouble with LH pitching, and now you are proposing sending your only furure LHed starter to a rival, and you will have to face him for the next 10 years. It is not worth it. Usually some relatively unknown player gets hot during the playoffs and makes the difference like the guy from Forida who went to the Giants last year. Sit tight and we will be just fine.

Brave 1

July 23rd, 2011
9:08 am

Not for one of the young pitching prospects – can anyone say Wainwright?

Runnin With The Dawgs

July 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

I saw a post saying that the Braves have a losing manager. How does that work when they’re 18 games over .500?

jb

July 23rd, 2011
9:17 am

Brave 1, one player for Beltran is not like Wainwright deal where we gave up 5 players.

bravogator

July 23rd, 2011
9:21 am

runninwiththedawgs…It wasn’t the Braves with losing mgr it was UGA with Richt.

Michael Ruffin

July 23rd, 2011
9:23 am

Name me another high quality left-handed starting pitching prospect in the Braves’ upper minors. Thank you. That’s why Minor for Beltran is not a good idea…

Bill

July 23rd, 2011
9:26 am

Good point M Ruffin.

Wright

July 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

Bad trade, Beltran is at the end of his career kind of reminds you of when Wade Boggs was being dangled for a quality Braves pitcher. In two years Boggs was through.

louisville slugger

July 23rd, 2011
9:32 am

To me, it depends on Chipper’s health. If they don’t think Chipper is gonna be there for the home stretch, and Prado needs to play 3B, I would do it. If Chipper’s in there, though, I think I’m OK with the OF of Prado/Heyward/Schafer/McLouth/Hinske.

I definitely would not put Prado at SS for Gonzalez, he’s much too good a defensive shortstop.

clay

July 23rd, 2011
9:39 am

I agree with this deal IF AND ONLY IF, we give up minor and maybe two prospects to be named. I they should send gonzo and mcclouth in with the deal bc schafer is great in center, put beltran in left and move prado to short. The only thing about that is, you don’t know how chipper is going to come back and perform. So maybe keep gonzo but mcclouth and minor could go.

bobby's cox

July 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

you’re high. mike minor needs to stay in the organization, and beltran is a bum. i don’t want any former mets ruining our run at the world series.

chris

July 23rd, 2011
9:47 am

You are crazy Jeff…..NO WAY would I trade Mike Minor who may be the next Tom Glavine for someone who will be in a Braves Uniform for two months and spend most of it on the DL because he’s more injury prone than Chipper. Now if you tell me Minor for Pence…..Go for it. But for Beltran….NO WAY. You still have the thought in your mind of what he did the last time he was a rental player in a blockbuster trade. He’s alot older now Jeff and he’s not the same player.

JF McNamara

July 23rd, 2011
9:48 am

The Braves are still paying for Bobby Cox. If Yunel Escobar is still here, this isnt a consideration, because you fill the offensive hole at Short. While Heyward is as fragile as fine China, he’s hit for average and power at every level and was one of the best hitters in baseball last year. You don’t platoon him.

Huddy and Lowe are both old, and a pitching surplus goes to deficit really, really fast. Don’t do it for a two month rental. its just not worth it.

bj

July 23rd, 2011
9:48 am

sounds like BC’s bs

Bernard

July 23rd, 2011
9:55 am

Adam Wainwright….Adam Wainwright….Adam Wainwright….when you don’t learn from the past, you’re bound to repeat it!….duh!

The Grinch

July 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

Two words – Mark Texiera

Bravehomey

July 23rd, 2011
10:10 am

How soon do we forget that Adam Wainwright- J.D. Drew deal! Who came out the better in THAT??

Walley

July 23rd, 2011
10:11 am

Alex Gonzales had 15 home runs last year when we got him from the Blue Jays. How many did he hit the rest of the way?? 2 or 3! Just because Beltran is hitting what he is right now doesn’t mean that he will the rest of the way. Then guess what…bye bye! Keep Minor. I’ll take my chances.

jrn

July 23rd, 2011
10:12 am

go get reed johnson and willingham both cheap and both can hit lefties they wont cost a top pro and think of the flexibility they would give our lineup

mike

July 23rd, 2011
10:27 am

how about possibility philly pretend to trade for Beltran to force braves make the deal to get rid of promising prospects,to make braves less treat in coming years.

Jack

July 23rd, 2011
10:28 am

Beltran has rarely been as good a player as people yearn for him to be. Back when he was in the Royals outfield with Johnny Damon, he was supposed to be the great weath of untapped talent, and he would tantalize with some great moments. Still, his only great stretch of note was the playoff series that landed him the contract with the Mets. Now, as Fred Wilpon has noted, Beltran really didn’t deserve that contract and surely hasn’t played up to it. And, Jeff Schultz thinks Beltran is a difference maker for Atlanta? Look at his career stats and they are above average, but Beltran does not come across the guy who puts Atlanta over the top.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 23rd, 2011
10:37 am

I do love the Braves, but Braves fans suck! Bunch of fans to scare to go make a move. Rather watch the Phillies and Giants go get the bat and play the string out. Happy for another Wildcard run and out in the 1st round of the playoffs. To scared to pull off the move because of what may happen 10 years from now. No wonder Atlanta is thought of as a poor sports town. To many fans dont know jack. Go ahead and remember a Wainright or Tex deal. I will remember a McGriff deal. If you are paralyzed in making this deal because of those then hell you’ll never make a deal. Aggressive moves need made. People talk about Chipper coming back? Yeah lets get his .255 hitting 7 homer 50 RBI but back in the 3 hole. Can’t wait to see that take us to a WS, but mind you Bletre in the 3 hole as a switch hitter followed by McCann then Chipper would be strong. Then Freeman in the 6 hole? That is a lineup capable of getting you to the World Series and you have effected virtually nothing! Ridiculous if you do not make this move!

Falcorave

July 23rd, 2011
10:38 am

everyone has to remember that Beltran’s 61 RBIs are with Jose Reyes generally hitting two spots ahead of him. anyone can drive in a crap-ton of runs if they have a .350 hitter who’s always on third base. That RBI total is an extremely inflated stat for Beltran. we have the team to win now.

Bill

July 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

Bourn has 37 sb and hitting 298 and plays D like taking candy from a baby. Who care if he hits left as long as he hits and gets on base…
Upton has more homers,rbi’s and sb than all three Braves outfielders put together and hitting 4th for Rays.
Reed Johnson hitting 334 for Cubs..would do great.
Peter Bourjos for LAA is hitting 300 and is lighting on bases and great D..
These are Players for long run..not a short fix.

TampaDAWG

July 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

I like Beltran but we don’t need a platoon CF we need a speedy lead off CF. Look at the damage Shafer does when he gets on base and thats with a sub 300 OPS. I say trade for Michael Bourn, which solidifies your lead off spot and def in CF. I know he is not right handed but with Prado back, Chipper coming back both Uggla and Heyward starting to hit. the Right handed power bat isn’t as pressing as it was a couple of weeks ago.

bulldogbubba

July 23rd, 2011
10:42 am

DON’T DO IT!!!!!!!!! Thanks

claytondaw

July 23rd, 2011
10:50 am

Several of you who have commented about getting Beltran BEFORE the Phillies or Giants are right on the money. Make that decision now!!!! The bats are not coming around quickly enough. If the Braves are serious about making a move to improve their playoff chances, then this is a good one.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 23rd, 2011
10:51 am

Braves fans are losers. Thats why the Naitonal Media laughs at you. Atlanta fans are ok with being mediocore apparently. Good ahead dont make the deal, but you aint winning the WS. Braves fans content bringin Larry back and watch his .250 ass play another 2 weeks before aggravating something else. Bourn, obviously you do not know his stat line. Upton? Obviously you want to bring in another .230 hitting .312 ob% guy? But Beltre who is racking it is a no? Laughable how ridiculous some of you are.

Tim

July 23rd, 2011
11:03 am

It looks like the Phillies have turned their attention to BJ Upton of the Rays now. It would be just like a Wren trade to get rid of more than one of our top prospects for Beltran, as a rent a player, while the Phillies end up with Upton for a lot longer.

ray

July 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

Braves drafted Minor 7th overall in 2009 although BA had him rated as late 1st round. they paid him $2.4 Mill bonus, but this is a team that is short of cash ? we have few good lefty prospects in minors with Locke traded, Rohrbough flaming out. why would you give him up after 2 yrs ?
Beltran can’t play CF well and really needs to play RF due to potential knee flareups. he said he may resign with Mets as free agent ! he is not a team player. only wants to be in pennant race to make himself look good as free agent.
I’d rather trade Delagdo, but not for Beltran.
I’ve seen this guy as I don’t live in Ga. he had issues with Met team doctors and managemnt.
do not want him

he will not make a big difference.
i say go after Bourn, Cuddyer , Quentin or Upton

Skip

July 23rd, 2011
11:22 am

Remember the end of the 2007 NLCS – Adam Wainwright (who we foolishly traded away in the J.D. Drew debacle) struck out Beltran. And now we want to trade away another good prospect for a Carlos Beltran that is nowhere near the player he was back then? I think not!

Bud

July 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

I say the Braves should stand pat. Chipper back in a week, Prado hitting, Heyward hitting, Uggla hitting, McCann and Freeman still hitting, and Schafer is hitting: .273 AVG, .407 OBP since the All Star break. Uggla’s career stats show he is better in second half, a lot better. The Braves don’t need to do anything.

Schafer, cf
Prado, lf
McCann, c
Jones, tb
Freeman, fb
Uggla, sb
Heyward, rf
Gonzales, ss

A very good defensive lineup and a good offensive lineup.

By the way, Beltran is hitting .232 against right handers, the Braves don’t need more of that.

Hillbilly D

July 23rd, 2011
11:25 am

I’m not a Braves fan, just a baseball fan, but I wouldn’t trade Minor for two months of Beltran. If I were looking to make a similar deal, I’d rather try for Hunter Pence.

bigcrimson75

July 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

The Bravos need to make a move period. The offense cant be any worse than the first half of the season. Some of the guys are already hitting better lately ( Uggla ). A trade for a proven hitter will juice this team for the stretch run. We aint scarred of the damn phillies

Bud

July 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

Have the numbers reversed

Beltran hitting .312 against righties. Also has 7 HR, 41 RBI in 247 AB.

E-6

July 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

Recent surge by Uggla is encouraging but… as pointed out many times part of the equation is keeping Beltran out of a SF or Philly uniform. The other is 4-4 with a 5.35 ERA and a 1.58 WHIP – Minor’s MLB record so far. He probably projects as a #3 or 4 at best.

Before we pull the trigger on the deal, would be interested in just how outrageous Ed Wade’s asking price is for Pence. You could solve one outfield question for next couple years but at what price?

Bull

July 23rd, 2011
11:43 am

The state of GA would like to trade minor league farmhand Jeff Schultz for a major league journalist along with cash considerations

Bill

July 23rd, 2011
11:57 am

sounds good ray!

Bravesfan4life

July 23rd, 2011
12:09 pm

Does broken down Len Barker for Brook Jacoby and Brett the Hitman Butler ring a bell for anyone. That trade haunted this organization for years. Let’s not give up Minor for a broken down 2 month rental. If we give up Minor then we have to go after Hunter Prince and put a package together, it’s the right thing to do. Prince wouldn’t be a 2 month rental.

Hillbilly D

July 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Does broken down Len Barker for Brook Jacoby and Brett the Hitman Butler ring a bell for anyone.

Remember it well. Was watching a Cub game with Harry Caray and Steve Stone, when it was announced. I can still hear Steve’s stunned reaction in my head. Rick Behenna and $150,000 was also in that deal.

Wish We Could

July 23rd, 2011
12:17 pm

Would be nice if we could swap McLousy for Beltran straight up. Not gonna happen. NY wants a prospect. McLousy and Beltran will be a FA next year. Wishfull thinking.

Dave

July 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm

The Braves are playing over their heads. Their offense is anemic. They need at least two more legitimate big bats to be serious players.

Their offense has lacked punch for years now. Time to pay for some big bats that can make a difference. Not necessarily Beltran, though.

mike

July 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm

Stupid move, dont do it! We can compete with th Phillies as we are and we will win the wild card going away. Never ever rent a ball player. Minor will be very good. This reminds me of the Texseria trade

Bill M.

July 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

Just stand pat but get an arm for pen. It’s crazy to give up Minor just for 2 months of Beltran.

southgabrave

July 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm

If the Braves are going to trade Minor or another significant player away, they shoouldn’t do it in the same division. They sure shouldnt trade a top tier player/prospect for a 2 month rental. I would rather they trade outside the division for a player we can control for more than a year. Bourn would be nice or the kid with Angels (cant recall his name). Lets fix the problem for more than a couple months. If the Braves cant do that then we can stand pat and call up Minor for the bullpen and wait on Moylan. Bye Proctor!

Papadawg

July 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm

This is a no brainer. Chipper will be out more than in so we trade for this guy and leave Prado at third. Man what a batting order.

bruce

July 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm

Jeff,
Does your opinion of this Minor-Beltran deal change if Lowe is traded? Presumably Minor would replace Lowe in the starting line-up…. Maybe Medlin could fill in in September? Thanks, Bruce

Bill

July 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm

What about a sign and trade. Get Beltran to sign for 4 or 5 years and then trade for him. Thats what we did with UGGLA. I am against Renting because the player usually doesn’t perform a full value. Tex is an example

confusabrave

July 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm

Beltran’s the most overrated player the league has seen in years. The deal for Minor for a couple of months of Beltran reminds me of the days of Brett Butler. Who did we get for Butler??
Don’t do it.

Pete

July 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Beltran is a “Me First” prima donna who will change the Braves team chemistry, now the best in the league, for the worse.
He’s nothing but a Randy Moss in a baseball uniform.
Don’t touch him with a 10ft. pole. Forget it !!!

Brian

July 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm

OK to trade Minor….no room for him anyway with all of the young arms in our organization. If we give up Delgado or Vizcanio I will get sick! Let’s get this deal done!

The next 10-15 yrs will be very bright with the young arms…..Hanson, Jurgens, Beachy, Medlen, Kimbrel, Venters, Delgado, Tehran, and Vizciano……….WOW!!!

rugburn

July 23rd, 2011
1:57 pm

beltran should perform well these next 2 months. he’s playing for his next contract. if we get him, i wouldn’t re-sign him. these types play big in their last year of a contract. look at reyes, best year of his career, but he’ll probably never be this good again after he signs somewhere for lots of money.(think javy lopez)(javier vasquez, andruw)

rickINcali

July 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm

I dont’ agree with this potential trade. We don’t need to keep trading our farm for rental players……!!!

rugburn

July 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm

i’d rather we didn’t trade minor within the division. he may project as a 4th starter but he would look like an ace when he comes back to haunt us

Sam The Swami

July 23rd, 2011
2:21 pm

I vote Beachey and Minor for Pence. Pence has 2 years left on his current deal and is someone to build around when Chipper retires after next season.

Professor Moriarty

July 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm

Even if he weren’t a two-month rental, Beltran would be a bad idea. He’s 34 years old and injury prone. One foul off his foot and he’s a goner.

No way

July 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm

This guy is not the answer..What happened to the Schoerholz deals like the McGriff ones where we actually got to keep a player awhile that contributed and didn’t mortgage the future. Enough with the Texiera’s, Drew’s and Sheffield’s. How did that work out for the Braves?

Good Dawg

July 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

Beltran? Sounds like Texeira, Drew and Sheffield revisited.
Don’t do it. Need another McGriff type player that will be here for the long haul and not mortgage the future.

Larry

July 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm

Just so you know wren said today that he is going to add a middle reliever,and more than unlikely add a rh bat.he has been looking for a rh bat OFF THE BENCH SINCE OFF SEASON.where is schafer now?on the dam bench usueless.jammed finger,i played with a jam finger before in football,straighten it out,take tylenol,good to go.another dam wimp,just like wren.

Larry

July 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm

i hope beltran wins games for phillies or the giants to costs the braves the playoffs.

Larry

July 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm

brian

seriously???i guarantee you that atlanta will only have one of them around,not all.
jj
hanson
kimbrel
eof
venters
beachy
hanson

ALL CONTRACTS ARE UP THIS YEAR,GL BRAVES THINKING YOU SIGN ALL OF THEM.AND MOYLAN,MEDLIN ARE UP ALSO

Larry

July 23rd, 2011
3:15 pm

AND KIMBREL,HEYWARD,FF ARE UP AS WELL.MOST ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE,BUT BIG RAISES ARE COMING.PRADO IS UP TO,AND SOURCES ARE TELLING ME PRADO WANTS 3 YEARS/21-24 MILION OR HE IS GONE.

Larry

July 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm

JJ AND HANSON ARE BOTH BORAS AGENTS

YOU REALLY THINK BRAVES ARE GOING TO PAY FOR BOTH?

ALL OF YOU NEED A CLUE.

james

July 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm

I love reading beltran is washed up when he’s putting up better stats then anyone we trot on the veils. MLB.com ( Minor low ceiling Guy maybe a number 3 sounds simple to me make the trade

Mitchell

July 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm

I’m starting to sound like a broken record but the Braves won 101 games in 2003 and couldn’t beat the 87 win Cubs.

We haven’t won more than two games in a row in the playoffs in nine years. The Rangers last year won more playoff games than the Braves have since the Clinton administration.

I mean, who the F are we kidding? He’s going to come here and be Dan Uggla version 2.0.

Nate McLouth was a legitimate All Star in ‘08 and not just a token Pirate representative. Three years later and we’re still trying to convince ourselves that 2008 Nate is going to reappear.

Beltran will come here, his average will drop, his home run totals will hit a plateau and then he’ll have one game where he hits a home run and suddenly he’s “the man.”

This organization is not always in touch with reality. The media that covers it is clearly afraid of reality.

Beltran is no more a guarentee of winning the World Series than Mark Teixeira was.

We’re operating on a little too much faith here. I’ll believe it when I see it.

Mitchell

July 23rd, 2011
4:07 pm

Again, who are we to think we’re capable of beating the Phillies in the playoffs with an added bat?

This team goes as it’s pitching goes.

The Braves chances of winning the NLCS or World Series are only going to go up in the years to come. They need to take baby steps.

Win the division series this year, aim for the pennant next year and go for it all in 2013.

They’re not going to win the World Series in 2011.

We need as much pitching as we can get. The focus needs to be on the bullpen. Scott Proctor needs to go. Sherrill and Linebrink are not exactly who you want to see up with the game on the line.

Without Moylan there’s too much pressure on O’Fleherty and Venters.

Fix the middle reliever situation and with Prado, Chipper, McCann, Freeman and Heyward we have the offense we need. Plus Hinske and Conrad off the bench.

Bullpen and bench, not Beltran.

Mitchell

July 23rd, 2011
4:08 pm

Hello?

I miss my mommy

July 23rd, 2011
4:15 pm

No rental players please

Michael

July 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm

Personally, I’d rather see them go after BJ Upton than Carlos Beltran. Beltran has too much potential to ‘Hampton’ us.

alexcox

July 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm

seria bueno un lansador d ligas menores con otos jugadores q no c mensionan en los rumores, para haser cambio con los astros (born y pence) o con SD ludwick bell .

alexcox

July 23rd, 2011
6:54 pm

hase falta mejorar el bulpen si vieron el juego d hoy c ve vien claro protocor martines no hasen el trabajo y linbranic sherill no son d confiar. cuando por el amor al equipo wren bas actuar bas adesmadrar alos chicos antes d llegar alos playoff {venter krimbel eric } estan agotando a estos muchachos descansan a estos coje palo y sequedan en el equipo hase falta a jhon surjof

zorba

July 23rd, 2011
6:59 pm

Ya, right, Jeff. Our two month “rentals” have really worked out in the past, haven’t they! Drew, Texeira, etc… Your suggestions usually are better. You can still retract this one.

My Thoughts

July 23rd, 2011
8:39 pm

Bill we did not do a “sign n trade” for Uggla Traded for him signed the extension later. I agree tho the earlier thought trade Infante, Dunn, Minor get Uggle and Beltran !!

GetBeltran!

July 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm

Prado
Beltran
Jones
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzalez
Anybody but Lowe

You would be a fool not to. We are far to deep at the pitching position not to. I want a ring. DO IT!

henry

July 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm

do you all remember the texirea trade? we gave up three good future prospects for i year from texeira and he did not give us 100 per cent. i say look else where.

Jason

July 23rd, 2011
11:44 pm

Just got home from Cincy after the debacle of a 7th inning today! Glad I got to witness the big win last night since today did not go well… Let me just say this, 1. Alex Gonzalez HAS to hit the PINE! His bat is absolutely killing us! Prado does well @ 3rd and having a little more time on the ball @ SS will only help him… 2. We MUST keep Jordan Schafer in the lineup! The Braves in 2 games in this series have not been active on the basepaths! Case in point, we left 8 men LOB today thru 6 innings… Homer Bailey had a SUPER HIGH pitch count and we kept bailing him out time after time. 3. Finally, if we can get Carlos Beltran straight up for Mike Minor then we MUST do it! The way Dan Uggla is swinging the bat right now, Heyward is heating up, FF, and Mac are swinging fairly well… Add Beltran and his 61 RBI’s into this lineup and its mind boggling like past Yankee lineups! We NEED to win tomorrow on Sunday Night Baseball and its time for Beachy to have a good outing!

Let’s Go Braves! I was LOUD and PROUD in Cincy for our boys this weekend!

Southpaw

July 24th, 2011
1:17 am

Right-handed hitter is needed. All of the above are good depending on the deal. Minor is expendable, but bwell is right about Wainwright; however, Minor ain’t no Wainwright! I like Hunter Pence, and I remember Wainwright striking Beltran out in the 2006 NLCS. I hate rentals so I say go for Francoeur. Bring him back home. I think his attitude is better. It would be nice to see McCann, Francoeur, Heyward, Prado, Freeman, and of course Chipper, all those players raised on the Braves farm win a ring together. Trade for Francoeur, then sign him for another year and see what happens. As for Prado at short, not really a good idea. Gonzo is solid. Good to know Prado could do it, but we need defense as well as offense. Francoeur, Pence, then Beltran in that order in my opinion. One thing is right: it’s mostly about the money.

Joe

July 24th, 2011
2:08 am

Dang, if “washed up” means having a .290 batting average and 61 RBI at this point in the season, then I’m afraid that the proper word to describe the Braves’ lineup escapes me.

LongTimeFan

July 24th, 2011
4:26 am

Beltran washed up?

Those of you who say this have no idea what you’re talking about.

.913 OPS, .520 SLG, .393 OBP, 47 extra base hits, if I’m not mistaken is leading the league in it. Beltran is a great player, a great teammate. If he were playing somewhere other than Citi Field, he’d have over 20 homers. Still plays very good defense and runs quite well, is very clutch. And above all, is total class act.

As a Mets fan, I want the team to sign him to extension, not trade him especially to a division rival. There is no prospect the Braves can offer to make a trade of Beltran palpable to me.

But if Beltran approves a trade to the Braves, your team will definitely be better.

Vince

July 24th, 2011
8:59 am

No, this is exactly the kind of talk that led to Andrus-Feliz-Harrison-someone else/ for that douche rental Texeria. btw, lets bring back Mayhay.

Baseball Insider

July 24th, 2011
9:21 am

Actually, San Francisco is the favorite to acquire Beltran. Philly will get Pence or Cabrera. If the Braves want to have any chance, they better get someone. If S.F. and Philly help their offense, Atlanta will be hard pressed to advance.

abravefan

July 24th, 2011
9:55 am

Shultz, getting Beltran would be a dumb move! Give up young talent for a guy who has been on the DL for the better part of the last three years? Better off getting Frenchy who has 60 RBIS is batting .270 wiht 12 HRs and is an outstanding fielder.

Allan

July 24th, 2011
11:41 am

The Red Sox need him more, to get past the Yankees in the playoffs.

bvillebaron

July 24th, 2011
12:20 pm

LongTimeFan:

Apparently you are the only Met fan that I know who feels that Beltran is still a great player who you would want to sign to an extenstion. Admittedly, he has been healthy this year (so far) and is having a very good season. However (and unfortunately) this guy is a walking injury waiting to happen. How many games has he missed over the past several seasons? With the Braves’ luck recently with acquiring hitters (see McLouth and Uggla), if the Braves pull the trigger on this, his bone on bone knee will blow up out about 2 games afterwards. Beltran is also no longer a CF which raises the question of where does he play (please don’t tell me that you think it would be a good idea to platoon him with Heyward in right).

After what I witnessed yesterday (and for the past several weeks if not most of the year), their biggest need is some bullpen help since if they don’t send out O’Flaherty, Venters or Kimbrel, it looks like batting practice out there. Hopefully, Moylan comes back healthy next month, but they still need at least one effective middle reliever to give the big 3 a rest; otherwise, they may well be on fumes down the stretch.

P.S. Now if you want to talk about acquiring someone who is right handed and can actually play centerfield like B.J. Upton for Minor, I am all ears.

Buck Buchanan

July 24th, 2011
12:52 pm

Now it looks like the Cardinals are working to trade Colby Rasmus to the White Sox, for Edwin Jackson, a middle reliever and maybe a prospect. Rasmus would be a great fit for the Braves, and not just a short term rental. The Braves have the pitching depth and prospects to outbid the White Sox, I’d love to see them step up and try to get Rasmus…LaRussa doesn’t like him, but everyone else does.

Mike McDonald

July 24th, 2011
1:10 pm

The 2011 Braves should stand pat with the hand they have. They should not panic and trade long-term assets for short-term expedients that will jeopardize the coming years when a number of expensive, unproductive contracts will expire. Imagine having a young, affordable pitching staff of 12 to 13 stars at the top of their game, in 2012-14. And a payroll of close to $100 million (and climbing) under a new, deep-pocketed ownership and shrewd management. This is not only highly possible, but likely.

With McCann, Prado, the re-born (?) Uggla , Freeman, a better coached Hayward, a promising Shafer and back-ups like Hinske and Ross, the Braves have a great nucleus of position players for the rest of this season and going forward for several years, if properly managed. The remaining holes can be plugged with smart acquisitions of emerging, young talent paying free agency big bucks and talented, rookies from internal development and recruitment.

For the nonce, the 2011 Braves are a credible play-off team that could catch fire without any silly rentals or expensive trades. The challenge and the resulting experience of the run for the 2011 World Series will be invaluable and character-building for the young Bravos.

Perhaps, other than the perennial, free spending Yankees and Red Sox, I can’t think of another MLB team that has a brighter potential future than the Atlanta Braves

don

July 24th, 2011
2:04 pm

I don’t want to panic you boys but Buster Olney,etc. on ESPN, when discussing the possibility of Beltran going to the Braves, didn’t mention Minor. They mentioned Teheran. Now, I realize that you immediately think that no one is dumb enough to do that trade. However, I offer “Exhibit A”- Wren.
That should be enough to worry all of you.

bvillebaron

July 24th, 2011
2:59 pm

Don:

I didn’t hear Olney mention Teheran when I watched and listened to ESPN for the past several days (other than in the context of that it was a non-starter for the Braves). Your suggestion that Wren is “dumb” enough to consider trading Teheran for a 2 month Beltran rental is off base and indicates a bias against him which is not supported by his track record in Atlanta.

Sure he has made some bad trades (all GMs do), but consider (1) the Braves had the 7th worst record in MLB when he became the GM a few years ago and now have the 3rd or 4th best record in baseball (while doing so with the limited budget given him by Liberty Media and right after Scherholz traded away several of the team’s best prospects in the ill-fated Texeira fiasco); and (2) he refused to even consider trading Hanson when the Padres insisted upon him in the Peavy trade discussions a few years ago.

Wren isn’t trading Teheran and you may well be the only person who is “worried or panicked” that he might do so.

GLE

July 24th, 2011
7:34 pm

SOUNDS FAMILIAR. A DIIFFERENCE MAKER. YEAH HEARD THAT B4 TOO. THIS DEAL WOULD SOUND LIKE CHANGING A JUST ARRIVING GLAVINE FOR A TIRED AND WEARY GARRETTE ANDERSON, OR RAUL MONDESI OR FILL IN THE BLANK OTHER RELICS WE’VE BEEEN KNOWN TO GO FOR.

superiorblogman

July 25th, 2011
5:33 am

Beltran is simply the biggest name on the market. He is not the best player or best fit for the Braves. I would not give up any top young prospect for a game that is not named Hunter Pence or Adam Jones, end of discussion. The asking price for BJ Upton is said to be not much, you could probably get him for some guys not even in the top 15 prospects. He does have 15 HR’s which is just as much as Freddie Freeman who is this years do no wrong love toy. He does play CF, he does have 23 Stolen Bases which is more than anyone on the Braves by a longshot.

If you are going to give up young prospects go after someone that you would be interested in being a part of your team for years to come:

Adam Jones, Hunter Pence

If you just want a rental do not give away top 15 prospects you can get BJ Upton for less and he adds a lot to the team. 15 HR’s, 23 Steals, and plays CF.

Kelly

July 25th, 2011
7:24 am

The Braves aren’t going to win the East. Not with or without Beltran. You stay the course and hope that the hitting continues to improve and not get rid of your farm system. This is nuts. Beltran? Who made his living off of one good postseason performance and has been a little better than average the rest of the time? Beltran, who has spent a lot of time out because of injuries? Beltran, who is no fix for the long run and a long-odds bet to go to the series in a year where the Braves chances are slim? Beltran, for more of ATL’s youth, the same youth who have been traded off in years past? Take a look around at who is left from those trades and where they’re playing: Texas, Boston…contenders, producers on contending teams. Now look where Texeira is playing. This is a no-brainer. You don’t trade any talent now for Beltran. You play with who you have, the very same team, who, while underachieving at the plate is 5 games back of the best record in baseball and sitting tight in a postseason bid for the wildcard. Beltran doesn’t take you over that mythic hump.

wayn-o

July 25th, 2011
10:56 am

I’d do it if the Mets paid all 6 Mil & threw in a right-handed reliever.

braves buff

July 25th, 2011
11:47 am

I live in NY and YES we MUST get this guy
Hes having a helluva year so far, and would LENGTHEN that lineup
He will platoon with the Glass Man aka Jason Heyward (overrated , pompous fool that he is)

braves buff

July 25th, 2011
11:48 am

Why the heck would ESPN make a commercial using Jason Heyward?? a 225 hitter?? Are they serious? I fell off my chair watching that garbage

Nick

July 25th, 2011
12:43 pm

What everyone is leaving out here is that Beltran is a HUGE injury liability, last two seasons he has played a combined 155 games and as of today he is listed as Day-to-Day… better move would be for Willingham or Hunter Pence.

Phillies, Class of The NL

July 25th, 2011
12:44 pm

The Phillies are separating themselves from the lowly braves, as expected – should win the division by 12 games, easily. Obviously we have a vice grip on the division and yet the braves fans naively believe they have a chance – good stuff.

Phillies, Class of The NL

July 25th, 2011
12:47 pm

Obviously if the Phillies want Pence, or Beltran, we will get them. The bravos will be left scouring the scrap heap for some nobody (how did Derek Lee treat you last year?)

Steve

July 25th, 2011
1:36 pm

Someone explain how Fumbling Frank Wren keeps his job with the number of times the Braves have been in the playoffs (one) in his tenure. We need another bat. Everyone knows that. Fumbling Frank probably won’t do anything, and the Braves will crash and burn. They are only 4 games in front for the wild card.

ChillyMutt

July 25th, 2011
1:51 pm

“Prado at SS!!! you guys think it is a good move??”

Noooooooo. Gonzo is an excellent defensive SS and while Prado is a good athlete, he is not a SS.

And stop all the Frenchy this, Frenchy that talk. He’s not coming back – he burned those bridges before he left.

Hatfieldgeoff

July 25th, 2011
2:33 pm

I agree make the trade. The Braves as is ain’t going to win the World Series. Just not enough hitting as the Cincinnati series showed. One big game but couldn’t break open the game Saturday against a stuggling pitcher and Sunday couldn’t muster enough to win. Beltran may not be enough but he is the best most cost efficient option. Trading Minor for his two months would be a good deal. Minor may wind up being great but I think the Braves have not been that impressed with his starts and probably think he won’t be the star they had hoped.

steve

July 25th, 2011
3:02 pm

Just wondering what our outfield would look like with Beltran. He can no longer play CF very well. In fact, just as he has stated he wants to stay in the NL, he has also stated that he wants to stay in RF. Are you going to move Heyward to CF? You certainly cannot move Prado there. It would make sense to me if Prado was playing 3B and you could move Heyward to LF. I guess it is possible to move Heyward to the bench to make room for CB, but I am not sure that is the right move either.

I just don’t think this is the right move for the Braves right now.

Greg

July 25th, 2011
3:33 pm

To be completely honest. Prado anywhere in the infield. I say we really could use Beltran too. You guys should know that we have other great, and I do mean great prospects in our farm system. Giving up Minor in my belief would be a good move. Who knows, We just may have a chance to keep Beltran longer.

Steve

July 25th, 2011
4:24 pm

How about Heyward and Minor in a deal?

SK

July 25th, 2011
5:07 pm

I don’t understand where all of you guys think we’re going to put all of these “Cy Young Career” pitchers we have in AAA. Mike Minor is no significant loss if we’re correct in evaluating the other pitchers in Gwinnett. Let’s not be silly here…there’s only so many roster spots for pitchers on our ML club.

denver83

July 25th, 2011
9:50 pm

I don’t want to mortgage the future again like we did for Texeria in a rental player. Go out and make a real deal for a legit player like an Adam Jones. It would be ridiculous to give up quality pitching for an often injured platoon player, because there is no way he is playing center field at 35. Remember, pitching wins in this league. Just look at last years Giants.

George

July 26th, 2011
7:34 am

bad hitters will get you NOTHING.

Are Braves or Falcons taking bigger risk without big move? | Jeff Schultz

July 26th, 2011
9:21 am

[...] tweaked his quadriceps in his first game back from a knee injury, it raised the level of concern. Adding Carlos Beltran to the rotation of outfielders — he can play center or right field, possibly in a platoon with the struggling Jason Heyward [...]

Spud Webb

July 26th, 2011
2:33 pm

Jeff, according to Chipper we don’t need any help. hahahahah….I love it. The guy who can’t stay on the field and doesn’t produce much when he is, saying the lineup full of .240 hitters says we don’t NEED HITTING HELP?? un freaking believable.

Spud Webb

July 26th, 2011
2:34 pm

Steve, I would move Heyward to center, he’s athletic enough to do it for 1/3 of a season.

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