SEC didn’t go nearly far enough with ‘oversigning’

Mike Slive handed out $18.3 million checks to conference members Friday, but the numbers in oversigning issue still don't add up. (AP photo)

Mike Slive handed out $18.3 million checks to conference members Friday, but oversigning numbers don't add up. (AP photo)

Nick Saban, apparent guiding light for the nation’s oppressed and downtrodden — or at least those with a really good time in the 40 — is blaming the media for making too much of this “oversigning” issue.

“You all are creating a bad problem for everybody,” he said. “You’re going to mess up kids’ opportunities by doing what you’re doing.”

Yes, that is my purpose here on earth — to prevent potential student-athletes from fulfilling their dreams. And I’m certain if Nick Saban’s son were to be offered a football scholarship one year, only to be told months later after he had enrolled that there was no room after all, or to be pressured into leaving a season or two later when coaches suddenly determined that he wasn’t good enough, papa bear still would be perfectly fine with all this.

I don’t mean to put this all on Saban, although he and Houston Nutt have been two of the biggest abusers of oversigning, a “morally reprehensible” practice in the words of Florida president Bernie Machen. Only in the past year has the issue been drawing the attention it deserves.

The SEC, as the highest-profile college football conference in the nation, had a chance to make a loud statement at its meetings this week. It kind of wimped out. Rather than attack the oversigning problem with significant legislation, it decided only that it would lower the annual scholarship offer cap from 28 to 25.

Let me translate: Coaches now have a lower limit as to how unethical and morally reprehensible they can be. Feel better?

This was sort of like the real SEC passing a rule: “We recognize that insider trading is a problem. So we’re going to cap profits from said illegal transactions at $2.7 million.”

According to the rules, if a coach has 18 scholarship openings he can still sign 25 kids, then massage the numbers over a certain period, coerce kids into quitting or taking a “grayshirt” — postponing going on scholarship — or working some medical hardship magic (albeit, the SEC will have some oversight now). In the end, the coach gets the 18 players on the roster he wants and other seven are dropped into a black hole.

Welcome to the NCAA’s mission: Winning and making money, moral compass be damned.

College coaches don’t want to be held accountable for their mistakes. They don’t want to pay the price if a five-star defensive back devolves into a one-star punt coverage guy, or if a recruit fails to qualify academically, or if the kid backs out at the last minute to sign elsewhere.

Get a helmet, coach. Everybody takes the same risks.

Georgia athletic director Greg McGarity acknowledged in an interview Friday that the lowered scholarship limit doesn’t close the loophole. He also stated there was significant pushback from coaches who believe they would be at some competitive disadvantage in recruiting against other conferences should the SEC adopt tougher standards, like the obvious one: a hard cap, which would allow a coach to sign only as many kids to letters as he has scholarships available.

“That’s the perception some have. I’m not sure that’s true,” McGarity said, alluding to coaches’ concerns.

But he still considers this progress, saying, “There’s no question it was a good day for the SEC. At the end of the day, the presidents’ vote was a move in the right direction. Does it solve the problem? No. But it does help.”

The fix needs to come at the NCAA level. But the SEC could’ve done more and not damaged its product or brand. Commissioner Mike Slive just handed out $18.3 million checks to member institutions. Business seems to be pretty good.

Mark Richt, in supporting elements of grayshirting, wondered the other day about the recruit who just really wants to go to Georgia and there’s no scholarship available. How about this: Go the “Rudy” route. Enroll as a student, try to make it as a walk on and maybe get a scholarship the following year. But no promises, no signatures, no funny numbers.

See how easy that was? And sorry, Nick: Nobody will be denied an opportunity. There are 119 Division 1 football programs not named Alabama.

When asked if he would like to see a hard cap on scholarships, McGarity said: “In a perfect world, yes. But we’re not in a perfect world.”

No. But we could’ve been a little closer.

By Jeff Schultz

Earlier post: SI says Richt has a better job than Saban (Alabama)

Earlier post: Spurrier’s pay petition meaningless but concept has merit

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200 comments Add your comment

Bryan G.

June 3rd, 2011
6:30 pm

I guess my problem with lowering the limit is…what if a team has 26 or 28 scholarships available?

boog

June 3rd, 2011
6:30 pm

Jeff… are you underestimating the conferences involvement in overseeing medical disqualifications and simply running players off to open up scholarships. I view this aspect of the new rules as the most important. I agree with you the 25 limit does little to stop the “cutting” of players. But are you saying the SEC oversight of “cutting’ players is simply fluff?

Worm

June 3rd, 2011
6:31 pm

Ah, Nick Satan…The Napoleon of College football…How about a draft system like the NFL…If you finish first you can only sign 16 and prorate it down the line..Just kidding folks!

Habersham Dawg

June 3rd, 2011
6:33 pm

Like you said, Schultz, this has to be addressed on a national level.

Andrew

June 3rd, 2011
6:46 pm

Bryan G.,

Per NCAA rules you can only bring in 25 per class even if you have room for more. Signing more than that means you HAVE to greyshirt or have early enrollees, assuming all qualify.

Ethics Committee

June 3rd, 2011
6:48 pm

Richt will continue to cheat no matter what the rules are. Jan Kemp uncovered the tip of the iceberg in the 1980s, but the cheating and unethical practices at UGA continue to this day.

cahopkins

June 3rd, 2011
7:09 pm

This started years ago when the first college looked the other way in order to admit personnel who did not meet the entrance criteria of the school, but they were gifted athletes and they could help the school win. And that started it all. Winning became more important than anything else and coaches that did not win, and did not get on TV; well, they just did not stay at the school very long. We now teach openly how to cheat to win, how everything is OK as long as you don’t get caught. And if you do, deny and offer up excuses and your lawyer will make a statement later. – Suppose the colleges went back to strict rules of admission. Scholarships were issued only to those capable of meeting the standards of admission and schools that issued scholarships to kids were required to graduate that student or that scholarship was un-available for the next 4 to 5 years. No exceptions. Once you sign on the dotted line, that scholarship is no longer available. It would be difficult at first, but you would find that in the fall of the year, when colleges played games; one team would win and one would lose; it used to be a game; now it’s a drug for an emotional high. Red Bull anyone? Too many kids are lost in the shuffle for the drive to be #1. And it is everywhere. Just look at the Department of Justice; they want a playoff so #1 can be crowned. Don’t they have other things to do? Today, too much rides on the kid that is gifted; until he or she is no longer capable of carrying the load. And when they are, like the rest of us, they are replaced with the latest, fastest, newest edition of what people will pay to watch. And the adults let it happen. You would think they would know better…..Go Team!!! Win one for TV. Get the rating up – keep the cash coming. As long as greed makes the rules – nothing will change.

Nick

June 3rd, 2011
7:10 pm

CMR has not been the problem in oversigning; this change will cause problems for Msrs Nutt, Spurrier, Saban, Miles, and Chizik. But I’m sure that there are some loopholes on page 6, paragraph five, subsection c, lines two and three that they will exploit.

tulevol

June 3rd, 2011
7:11 pm

I wish football season would hurry up and get here. The doldrums are tough this time of year!

Bryan G.

June 3rd, 2011
7:24 pm

@Andrew – well, you can sign more than 25 if you can enroll them early and count them on “last year’s” total

jUMPER21

June 3rd, 2011
7:26 pm

Jeff,

Fired up? Appreciate the passion. And you’re right. Saban is morally bankrupt. I think Forbes named him in their top 10 list of ‘the most hated people in sports’. Not exactly the top 10 list you want to be on. Saban doesn’t get the concept of win-win, for sure. True, although a move in the right direction, ultimately, the SEC caved into to Saban’s theatrics AGAIN. He throws his little temper tantrums and tries to change minds that way. Remember what happened when his player got suspeneded and Saban villified agents? Unreal.

1eyedJack

June 3rd, 2011
7:34 pm

This’ll help the Gramblings, A&Ms and A&Is of the world.

Somewhere over the Dwayne Bowe

June 3rd, 2011
7:46 pm

Of course the SEC wimped out. Anyone bothered to check their non-conference schedules? It’s what they do.

Blackoutanyone?

June 3rd, 2011
7:47 pm

Jeff Schultz…..When the discussion is oversigningand and grayshirting all people want to write about are the very few instances of a kid not having a spot once he gets to school. Nevermind the guys like John Parker Wilson. Wilson a backup QB for the Atlanta Falcons wouldve never played a down of college football if not for a gray shirt opportunity at Alabama. Was not offered by anyone else. Why not do some research and look into kids who were grayshirts and see how that worked out for the majority. Naa too easy to pander to the UGA crowd and take shots at a rival coach.

david

June 3rd, 2011
7:48 pm

You want to solve the problem? The player can’t sign till they are admitted to the university or college. This will postpone signing day till June, and removing any possibility of over signing.

Blackoutanyone?

June 3rd, 2011
7:59 pm

Lol “I don’t mean to put all this on saban” but u just did even though the numbers show Bama is behind 4 or 5 other SEC schools for “oversigning” in the past 4 years. Well get in line. Everyone likes to pin oversigning on saban even though there are some 18-20 worse offenders through out the country.

jim

June 3rd, 2011
8:04 pm

blackout – take your blinders off. your coach is a rotten scumbag. a heck of a coach, but a rotten scumbag.

i think the uga-pandering sports writers have already shown that richt is in favor of a grey shirt, so just shut up your whining.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 3rd, 2011
8:06 pm

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Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 3rd, 2011
8:08 pm

Sorry about the post above. Remember, I’m a dog. Over-signing players is a lot like over-signing mascots. Georgia has me and is already working on getting another little dog ready even though I am working my a$$ off as mascot. That’s called over-signing and I don’t like it a bit.

jdawg

June 3rd, 2011
8:10 pm

Ethics Committee, you are an idiot. Please add some facts behind your bullsh1t post, or go back to beating your wife. Blackout, that’s really clever, did you think of that name yourself. How about you name yourself “Decade of NCAA Sactions and Absolute Mediocrity”. Or “8 straight losses to Tennessee”. It’s funny how short the memory you Alabama folks have. Your beloved Saint Nick, split the series with UGA. I’m sure through even your hazy Koolaid/Vodka drinking memory you remember the 1st pass from scrimage in OT at your hallowed ground. Dig deep, come on!

Dawglasville

June 3rd, 2011
8:14 pm

Outside of Vandy, Florida, and Georgia the rest of the conference could care less about the “student” athlete. And yes I have the nerve to say that even after all of the arrests at Florida and Georgia. The rest of the conference is run with a “Forget Hell” mentality.

@Ethics Committee

June 3rd, 2011
8:40 pm

Get over it, tool. TECH has no chance regardless. Get some new material, jerk.

Captain

June 3rd, 2011
8:45 pm

A limit of 25 does nothing to resolve the so called over signing. If there are 20 openings yet 25 are signed then 5 have to be pushed out the door. To solve the problem, if indeed there is a problem, the suspension of the 85 maximum over the summer needs to be closed. As it now stands a school could have 90 players enrolled on scholarship from early June until August 1. During those 3 months evaluations can be conducted in what is essentially a tryout camp. August 1 5 players can be effectively “cut”, ala NFL cutdown. This is the practice being used primarily by Saban and Petrino, both former NFL coaches.

Until the NCAA closes the 85 loophole and enforces its rules related to coaches observing “voluntary” summer workouts abuse will continue.

GstateBen

June 3rd, 2011
8:48 pm

More proof that little research before half cocked columns. Jeff, you are better than this.

An athlete signs a scholarship that is renewable annually. Even better a school and the a coach are penalized when a player transfers through the moronic measure of APR.

It is the players choice where to sign. If coaches over sign or force attrition then do not sign with them. The information is out there. Do some research.

Bawbie

June 3rd, 2011
8:52 pm

FIRE PERNO! This guy chokes in tight games. He looks like a caged spider monkey in a zoo as he paces the dugout.

#1bamafan

June 3rd, 2011
8:54 pm

JDAWG – I remember the first play in OT as well as the first half beating between the hedges. Maybe you should help your team figure out a way to run the ball and play defense. Coach Saban is not a Saint to me but he is my coach, and a good one. He does not deserve to be the poster boy for everything that is wrong with College Football, the way Jeff Shultz like to make him. RTR

Let's Go

June 3rd, 2011
9:15 pm

I still don’t know why any kid would trust Nutt or Spurrier when they recruit them, they lie as much as a politician, but once EPSN ran that very negative story on Les Miles a couple of months ago you knew something would be done. The SEC Presidents hate bad publicity almost as much as they love BCS money.

Rudy

June 3rd, 2011
9:33 pm

Why not lift the 85 cap? Seriously. Relax the transfer rules to prevent hoarding if you like, but can we admit this problem arises solely from scholarship limits well beneath what the free market in the SEC can afford?

“One size fits all” isn’t fair. It’s stupid. Boise State can’t afford 100 football scholarships in a Title IX world? Tough.

Tide Rising

June 3rd, 2011
9:49 pm

The ignorance of Jeff and the folks on here is nothing short of astounding. In Saban’s tenure Alabama ranks 6th or 7th in the conference in terms of oversigning. Those are the facts which I will post shortly.

As for Saban “cutting” and “running players off” to make room what a obscenely asinine statement. Not one person on here can point to one single Bama player who was “cut” or “run off” for anything other than disciplinary problems. Those are the FACTS.

Now, about that oversigning BS the dawg fans keep spouting.

Perhaps you would be better served spending your time worrying about Troy since they lead the nation in oversigning at 32 players a year on average. According to the real stats Alabama is 6th in the SEC – middle of the road- in oversigning. If we include the 2011 recruiting class Bama falls to 8th in the SEC since the Saban era began in terms of oversigning. But why let the facts get in the way of your argument.

By the way can’t wait to see your ranting about Troy oversigning at 32 players per year on avg.

In past five years, 25 of 120 FBS programs averaged more than 25 signees
That list includes eight of 12 SEC schools and five of current Big 12 teams
Troy has signed 164 players over that span, a staggering average of 32.8

Team-by-team look at class size over five-year span

School Conference 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 Total Average

Troy Sun Belt 34 40 33 32 25 164 32.8
Ole Miss SEC 25 37 31 22 30 145 29
Auburn SEC 32 28 29 30 25 144 28.8
Mississippi State SEC 26 27 27 34 24 138 27.6
Kansas State Big 12 17 25 32 33 30 137 27.4
Temple MAC 25 28 26 30 27 136 27.2
Southern Miss C-USA 26 22 27 32 28 135 27
Arkansas SEC 25 31 25 27 26 134 26.8
Kentucky SEC 26 29 20 29 30 134 26.8
Alabama SEC 26 27 32 25 23 133 26.6
Iowa State Big 12 28 25 25 25 30 133 26.6
LSU SEC 29 24 26 26 26 131 26.2
Baylor Big 12 23 28 23 29 28 131 26.2
Tulsa C-USA 25 25 26 31 23 130 26
Oklahoma State Big 12 27 24 27 23 29 130 26
Florida State ACC 25 21 33 20 31 130 26
South Carolina SEC 23 29 22 31 24 129 25.8

A greater sense of excitement

June 3rd, 2011
9:52 pm

The Tide was not rising when Auburn won it all.

and?

June 3rd, 2011
10:07 pm

HOW ABOUT sign as many as you want, but only dress current restrictions and all of those that don’t play still get a free education???

Tdawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:11 pm

Blackoutanyone are you retarted or just plain stupid? I’d go for retarted if I were you. That would explain a lot. No one is arguing against greyshirting at least as long as the kid knows what he’s getting himself into. Fool Georgia has offered grayshirts before so your BS rant against Georgia fans attacking that classless piece of garbage you call a coach is just another example of a Alabama fan not knowing what the crap he is talking about. No Saban is not the only one that does this, over signing that is, but he is the fool thats crying the loudest. I’ve heard that they are starting a new major at Alabama this year. Why don’t you sigh up for it. It’s called, HOW TO MURDER A TREE CORRECTLY.

jdawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:11 pm

#1. Good for you. I also remember a too little too late comeback in the second half between the hedges. I was merely responding to “Blackout” and his little insinuation. Saban is notorious for over signing, and has been since his days at LSU. I have met him personally, know several people who have worked for and with him, and will just say that he is a competitive individual who puts winning above all (and I do mean all) else. He is a dictator that is best suited for a school like Alabama that will overlook all of his negative qualities for winning at all cost. He didn’t leave Miami for nothing, he had mutiny on his hands, and that is a fact. Enjoy while you can. We’ll see Alabama, and him, in a similar Sports Illustrated/NCAA investigation as OSU in a few years.

LakeDawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:14 pm

Saban is such a tender guy. He’s all worried about those players who run a 4.4 forty not getting a chance if he doesn’t sign them.

Tdawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:22 pm

#1bamafan no one has said that Saban was not a good coach. If I had a son that he was recruiting I wouldn’t believe a word that came form his lips. In his past life he must have been a snake oil salesman. No he is not the biggest offender in oversigning, but like I told that idiot, Blackoutanyone. He’s the one doing all the ranting about how it would ruin football if they( the universities ) were to actually grow a pair and put a stop to scewing over some of these kids by stopping him and the other lying coaches from oversigning. Like I said. No Saban isn’t the only coach doing this, but he is the one screaming the loudest.

icallbs

June 3rd, 2011
10:27 pm

Reality is the SEC has been dominating college football for the past several years and that is a trend unlikely to end anytime soon – unless. “Unless” other conferences and TV (in particular ESPN) decide “something” must be done. My bet is something/anything is going to be done to reach more parity. The “oversigning”, roster management is an obvious step. Because life should be forced to be perfectly fair, and it is so unfair the Southeast has more than its fair share of talent, it’s only fair that talent be “redistributed” to areas less fortunate – what a concept.

When reading these articles consider the source(s) and authors.

The entire concept or serving the “student” athlete is laughable. The “student” football player has a better opportunity and infinitely more resources provided by the schools than the non-athlete to enable them to major in anything they choose. At some point in life you have to assume some responsibility for your choices.

I laud the Ge Tech and Georgia scholars. I don’t give a rat’s patookie about Isiah Crowell’s major, or how well he does in school. Just tote the rock and don’t flunk out, get arrested, fondle women, wreck cars, etc., etc. If along the way he graduates with a degree in rocket surgery, super.

Harsh? Nope. Reality.

Gen Neyland

June 3rd, 2011
10:29 pm

Maybe the kids should be offered a cash out severance package if they’re told to hit the bricks..? For the millionth time : It’s a business that deals in sweatshop labor. Win out and win out…

superDawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:29 pm

I guess 88 is flying under the radar.

trupert

June 3rd, 2011
10:31 pm

@Blackoutanyone, there you go again, always talking out your you know what.

Alabama comes in third behind only Auburn and Mississippi.

Four year numbers for players signed.

Miss. 122……#1
Aub. 113……#2
Ala. 112……#3
Ark. 111…..#4
SC. 105…..#5
MS. 102…..#6
LSU 100…..#7

Now the numbers for the teams that don’t oversign.

Tenn. 91.
UGA. 88.
FLA. 85.

Blackoutanyone?

June 3rd, 2011
10:33 pm

Tdawg and jim… my post was not a shot at UGA. I respect the UGA fan base as most are very passionate and show alot of class. Something you two milkduds appartently lack. At any rate… hate on haters…

22 SEC Championships….13 National Championships ROLL TIDE!!!

#1bamafan

June 3rd, 2011
10:35 pm

JDAWG…OK Competitive and winning are two words that we like to use at BAMA and would be required of our coach. My father-in-law attended Georgia and I do pull for the DAWGS. All I was saying is Jeff Shultz and the Georgia fans put too much effort into beating up on Coach Saban, when most of it is not factual. I am happy with our coach and if Georgia fans are happy with Richt, everything should be OK. RTR

superDawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:38 pm

Blackout anyone go back in history and see who either beat or stopped the tide from getting a NC and you will be surprised.

SEC Fact Finder

June 3rd, 2011
10:40 pm

Jeff,

You are so far off base, your general statements are completely wrong and your statement about Nick Saban’s son has NEVER happened at Alabama, LSU or Michigan St. To make such a statement is poor journalism and you and your college professors know it.

You may sit in the media center on Saturdays and visit the local schools for sound bites and try to find stories for your readers, but you NEVER have been involved in a major college program, worked in a major college program and have ZERO understanding of what 7 of the 12 coaches were saying when they fought to keep the numbers at 28 instead of the 25.

As a guy who has worked in 4 major programs over a 20 year career, and professional sports for 10 years I can emphatically say you are clueless on what a student athlete really goes through to get a scholarhsip offer, then compete at the next level while maintaining his core classes, study hall, weight training, film study, meetings, all while attempting to be a high school then college student.

Spend a little more time researching your articles before sitting in front of your SONY notebook and spewing information that is wrong. You are better than this.

gcs

June 3rd, 2011
10:40 pm

The crybabies win again.

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Tide Rising

June 3rd, 2011
10:41 pm

And I’m certain if Nick Saban’s son were to be offered a football scholarship one year, only to be told months later after he had enrolled that there was no room after all, or to be pressured into leaving a season or two later when coaches suddenly determined that he wasn’t good enough, papa bear still would be perfectly fine with all this.- Jeff Schultz

Really Jeff? Show me one single Alabama player who was run off after 1 or 2 seasons for reasons other than disciplinary or legal issues. Or at another SEC school for that matter.

I don’t mean to put this all on Saban, although he and Houston Nutt have been two of the biggest abusers of oversigning- Jeff Schultz

Seriously Jeff. I just provided the numbers showing that Bama is at worst 6th in the SEC in terms of over signing under Saban and factoring in 2011 signees Bama is actually probably 7th or 8th. Care to remand your BS rhetoric that Saban is one of the 2 worst offenders?

a “morally reprehensible” practice in the words of Florida president Bernie Machen.
And what the hell does Machen know? He’s the president- not the coach or AD and frankly like you he has no clue what the hell he is talking about. He should stick to academics and stay out of football.

According to the rules, if a coach has 18 scholarship openings he can still sign 25 kids, then massage the numbers over a certain period, coerce kids into quitting or taking a “grayshirt” — postponing going on scholarship — or working some medical hardship magic (albeit, the SEC will have some oversight now). In the end, the coach gets the 18 players on the roster he wants and other seven are dropped into a black hole.- Jeff Schultz

Jeff, can your shoddy reporting possibly get any worse. Just how ignorant can you be? Players getting shoved down a black hole? Hyperbole and fact less rhetoric?

Coerced into quitting? Really? Care to back that up with some evidence?

Grayshirting? Seriously? John Parker Wilson was a greyshirt and things worked out pretty well for him I’ld say. What’s funny is that Shula had more greyshirts than Saban has had- Saban has had maybe 1- 2 at most in a year and a couple of years had none. Funny but nobody complained about Shula- only Saban. Wonder why that is Jeff?

And also if a player has a greyshirt offer at say his dream school and a full ride at UK or a mid tier program like UAB its his choice as to what he wants to do. He can wait for 1 semester or go to another program like the 1 greyshirt offer Bama had done this year. He was Bama’s lone player that it was explained to him that he might have to take a greyshirt and at the last moment he decided to go to UK where he had an immediate full ride. Good for him. Your ignorance on this subject precedes you.

When Saban signed his biggest class of 32 for example in 08 Bama actually came in 1 player under the 85 man limit in the fall because of that 32 man class 4 didn’t qualify, 2 went pro baseball, and 2 delayed enrollment because they suffered severe high school injuries that would have meant spending their freshman year redshirting and rehabbing. This is why coaches oversign Jeff- to account for normal attrition such as this and because on the current roster there will probably be players who are booted due to legal or disciplinary trouble, transfer of their own accord due to lack of playing time, flunk out, or take a medical scholly in the case of Prothro.

There is no “massaging” the numbers. Attrition happens Jeff. If a coach has room for 18 but signs 25 its because he knows that there will be natural attrition of players already on a team and players just signed. Some will not qualify to get in- happens every year and in Tommy Tubberville’s last recruiting class 40% of his signees never even made it to campus. More on that in a moment.

Did those signed players get pushed into a black hole? Um. No. Several of them just won’t meet the NCAA qualifying numbers. This happens everywhere.

And how about players like Zach Mettenberger or Jimmy Johns? Did they get thrown down a black hole? Um. No. They and numerous players around the conference get shown the door when they get in legal trouble and break rules and laws that embarrass the institution. This is another reason for attrition- legal and disciplinary problem players currently on a roster.

And players like Logan Gray who transferred? Did they get thrown down a black hole? Um. No. They simply were buried on the depth chart and chose to transfer somewhere where they could get playing time. This happens EVERYWHERE and accounts for attrition.

Medical scholarships? Um. Next you’re going to tell me that Tyrone Prothro was really ok to play and didn’t need a medical scholly. And then you’re going to tell me that you moonlight as an orthopedic surgeon and that other players such as Ivan Matchett really didn’t completely blow their knees out.

Here is why you oversign. 3 years after Tubb’s last recruiting class AU has 53 players on scholarship for 2011 and with 25 coming in the fall AU will still be 7 under the scholarship limit of 85. They will have 78 on scholarship. That’s 7 schollies, most of which usually go to young black men, that will go to waste all because of holier than thou ignoramuses like yourself who complain about over signing. You don’t have a clue sir.

When this unusual attrition to AU and the same attrition hit UT in Kiffin’s first year due mostly to transfers both AU and UT played with 17 and 13 fewer scholarshipped players than everyone else. 30 schollies going to waste and 30 young men- mostly poor and mostly black- who didn’t get to live the dream of big time college football. Get off your moral high horse and explain to me why you think its ok for 30 schollies to go to waste all because a coach can’t oversign to compensate for unusual years of attrition.

So now unfortunately there will be more young men who lose out on scholarship opportunities all so that a morally self righteous blowhard like yourself and some of these other fools can talk about curbing some sort of evil practice.

The single point that you have in your favor is that at LSU and S. Carolina the head coaches oversigned and players that they didn’t think would qualify qualified and hence 1 or 2 players at LSU and Carolina thought they had schollies when they didn’t- never mind that they still could have greyshirted and just come 1 semester later. This was just poorly handled by both Spurrier and Miles. You can criticize the 2 of them but no Saban.

In Saban’s case only a handful of players have greyshirted in his 5 years- 3 or 4 I think, and in each case all of them were 100% aware of the possibility of a greyshirt if every other player qualified. There were zero surprises to these players.

Next time look at both sides of an issue before spouting nonsensical hyperbole.

al.com

June 3rd, 2011
10:42 pm

Hey bama boy explain to us all how $aban has 8 more players on the team than he has room for.and how every year about this time he always has a lot of medical hardships to be announced. How about bama’s record of medical hardships. Why does bama get so many players hurt and off the team each year. Maybe all these medical hardship are due to a coach abusing his players and the rules!!!

Coach Grohbo

June 3rd, 2011
10:45 pm

Do you realize the 25 scholarship limit only counts from December 1 – August 1? SEC schools can still oversign as many players as they want from August 2 through November 30.

The SEC established no yearly limit on signees.

The SEC West schools are very happy with this outcome.

LakeDawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:45 pm

SEC Fact Finder…..so your saying that the kids who get a scholly to Bama due to oversigning wouldn’t get a chance anywhere else? I didn’t realize Saban was in effect signing walk ons. All his recruits are big time players who would get a scholly somewhere else.

LakeDawg

June 3rd, 2011
10:48 pm

I see you also failed to mention all those players who lose their scholly due to oversigning. I think you’re too close to the athletic side of college athletics and have a biased perspective.

Blackoutanyone?

June 3rd, 2011
10:52 pm

al.com… will ask for the 1,000th time. Where are you getting your numbers? LOL Saban does not release scholarship numbers or which players are on scholly. If the media can’t get those numbers… you certainly don’t have them.