Spurrier's pay petition meaningless but concept has merits

crush

June 2nd, 2011
10:55 am

Spurrier Rules.

P-Man

June 2nd, 2011
10:59 am

First?

P-Man

June 2nd, 2011
10:59 am

Too late. Read the article first… Big mistake…

P-Man

June 2nd, 2011
11:01 am

I believe this is all a ruse to separate the haves (the BCS conferences) from the have-nots (the non-BCS conferences). The haves will end up in their own division above the FBS, and will all have conference championship games, thus setting up a de-facto (you sportswriters LOVE using that term!) playoff. You simply take the 6 conference champions, add 2 at-large teams (Notre Dame or BYU anyone?), and bam, you have an 8-team playoff (actually 12, but who’s counting?). They might also take a few teams with them, and create 8 conferences and have an actual 16 team playoff, with the conference championship games being the first round (and deciding seeding). With 6 conferences, you have 72 teams, plus independents, with 8 conferences, you could have 96 teams, assuming each conference has 12 teams.

RxDawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:03 am

Makes sense to me. Be damned to Title IX. That ridiculous rule needs to be retracted or very much adjusted at the least.

RxDawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:06 am

Makes sense to me. To heck with Title IX. They can abolish that silly rule as far as I’m concerned. Who the heck says there HAS to be as many female athletes as male? I really hate all this PC affirmative action crap. Biggest bureaucratic waste…. so much waste these days in everything. So much over regulation.

Paul H

June 2nd, 2011
11:10 am

If it reduces the behind the scenes infractions (see anything regarding Ohio State), then I’m all for it. How to go about it? Not sure yet.

Samual Adams

June 2nd, 2011
11:16 am

I thought coaches already paid players out of their pocket…what’s new?

Steve

June 2nd, 2011
11:18 am

I like that Spurrier made a proposal in a media rich environment that will spawn discussion. Comparing this small $300 amount to what the coaches make is a good illustration of the disparity between the generators and beneficiaries of the money college football produces.

DawginLex

June 2nd, 2011
11:18 am

Spurrier has sold his soul.

Pay players.
Give Garcia another chance for the 5th time for the sake of winning at all costs.

I thought he was the son of a minister and should know better.

Top Dawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:19 am

It’s a free world (free market too). If the players don’t like it as is, then they should not play. Otherwise, where does it stop? How about the non-athlete students that are flat broke and still have to find a way to attend class, pay for tuition, books, lodging, etc.??? How much should they get per game? That said, I don’t have a problem with CMR’s concept of finding a way to make the scholarship more valuable.

PMC

June 2nd, 2011
11:22 am

I’m for college athletes being able to trade on thier names and likenesses, that means video games and college bookstores will have to pay them royalties.

This is for everyone men and women, any sport. So skiiers get paid, Women’s Basketball etc.

If there’s no name but the players number likeness or attributes are attached, pay them a royalty.

Chi Town

June 2nd, 2011
11:23 am

Respect Saban.

Crumpy frisky in Greece.

PMC

June 2nd, 2011
11:23 am

Not to mention, If the local subway wants you to endorse their sandwiches…you can.

yep

June 2nd, 2011
11:23 am

Enter your comments here

Julius

June 2nd, 2011
11:23 am

So, Richt wants to make the degree more valuable? How about not hiding football players in useless majors, such as general studies? Maybe then the players that do not make the NFL (vast majority) can get a decent job after leaving uga. I’m not sure paying players is a good idea as they already get a scholarship, a NICE place to live, and free food. One idea may be to set aside additional student loan money for the athletes that are not able to work part time. Then, arrange for players that are successful in the NFL to donate for the loans that the players that did not make it. Of course, those players that “graduate” from uga and the like will not be able to secure decent employment.

yep

June 2nd, 2011
11:25 am

is oversigning against the rules?

Julius

June 2nd, 2011
11:25 am

The players are also given a unique opportunity for free expert coaching, mentoring, and the ability to audition their talents on television.

DIT

June 2nd, 2011
11:26 am

Just my opinion, but if you start paying the players on top of a free education your just opening up a big can of worms from the Students that have to go get a job, if not several jobs, just to pay for living costs (not tuition) for the year.
It seems like it’s all about the athletes now a days and forget about the students. For the most part these football players are not going to be running our country down the road. We need to make it easier for the Academic students looking to earn a degree for the future. Give them some incentives if you’re going to pay for athletes to play a game.
This comes from a guy that had a full ride to play baseball. I have no problem with scholarships to pay for an education, but beyond that is opening up a huge Pandora’s Box! Again, just my opinion!

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
11:28 am

Sometimes when Coach Richt talks I think he’s not very smart . . . but what do I know, I’m a dog. Still, it looks like he could stand for something on his own and not worry so much about what others think before he decides. That’s kinda like a politician, don’t you think? I am going to spend more time with Coach Richt and see if I can help him become a little smarter.

GT Trumpet

June 2nd, 2011
11:30 am

I feel like the scholarship is all the schools should give the players, along with the free things they get for being on the football team (Bowl swag and such). But allow the players to get money for being in a multi-million dollar video game and able to make endorsements. That may help out quite a bit.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
11:31 am

Not being able to use the phone in his truck has really made Coach Richt grumpy. I think he doesn’t like having somebody tell him what phone he can use and when he can use it. I have a Blackberry and I use it whenever I like. Sometimes I’ll get a message from a player asking if I can come up with some bail money. Mostly, they just want me to hang out with them and party.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
11:31 am

RxDawg
You would be saying something different if you didn’t have a penis. Having Sisters I think they should have as much a chance at getting an athletic scholarship as much as a guy.

The NAME on the Back of the jersey chances every few years so no the players should not get paid because their name is on the back for a few years. The NAME on the Jersey that matters is the one on the FRONT. The FACT is if there were No FOOTBALL the Colleges would still exist, but if there were No COLLEGES there would be no football. Read todays article on Coach Hall at Tech and what he tells the players about their education.
The SEC wants to pay players so it can widen the gap over football teams. The SEC Loves the BCS because they don’t want to risk losing in a playoff.
If the players don’t like playing and not getting paid then they can always go do something else. Most could be drug dealers or Meth heads, or garbagemen. Most will not get a usable degree anyway. The players get the best facilities to use. They get better food than the rest of the students. They get better tutoring. They have doctors to check every little bump and bruise too. When Athletic departments have the money like UGA and Texas then much of that money should go into the Academic side to lower the cost to ALL students or Pay the Professors more again helping ALL the students not just the athletes.
Why not just SELL college football to private companies and then the players don’t have to go to school they just play minor league ball for 4 years before they can go to the NFL. The Teams will not be part of the school. The new company will pay the college to use the Facilities and work around STUDENT Athletes schedule’s but the players will not have to be enrolled in classes to play or even pass to keep playing.
SCREW the players getting paid. If they want to get paid then they can go get a 9-5 job like the rest of us.

booger burger

June 2nd, 2011
11:34 am

300 per game
+100/-100 per fumble
+100/-100 per int

DIT

June 2nd, 2011
11:34 am

One of the few times I agree for the most part with 5150 UOAD

Buckeye

June 2nd, 2011
11:37 am

Perhaps some good will come of the mess – not just in Columbus – but in most colleges and universities where some kids come from backgrounds where the parent(s) don’t have two nickles to rub together.

Say what you will about Jim Tressel. At least the “pay for play” debate is once again front and center. Spurrier is no dummy. He’s has seen it all in the world of college football over a long period of time. I respect him for literally putting his money where his mouth is.

I could see some sort of needs-based test to provide additional walking around money. That said,
we still live in deteriorating rap/bling/tatt/twitter culture where money rules.As Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas sing, “If you ain’t got no money take your broke ass home”. America is broke, the middle class is broke, the poor get poorer while the big time coaches make millions – and I say good for them.

No wonder the attitude of “I’m gonna get me mine” is so prevelent. For so many of these kids, athletics is the only way out and up.

And shame on us who glorify only to villify.

SOGADOG

June 2nd, 2011
11:40 am

An interesting case is brewing in California that could affect the treatment of college athletes. Sam Keller, a QB for Az. State and Nebraska has sued the NCAA and EA Sports for using his likeness in “NCAA Football” video games without compensating him. Keller claims the NCAA met with EA approved their use of college football players likenesses in their video games. (This is the same NCAA that prohibits a player from selling a t shirt.) The precedent that comes from this case could have far reaching effects and result in players having the right to be paid for the use of their likeness or the sale of their jerseys. So far, Keller is winning his case.

DawginLex

June 2nd, 2011
11:42 am

Buckeye, you are allright.

Must be that part of you that went to Vandy shining through………….

cahopkins

June 2nd, 2011
11:44 am

Will all athletes in college be paid; track, tennis, golf, softball, swimming…..does each get $300 per event?

Doo Rag

June 2nd, 2011
11:44 am

If CFB just becomes a AAA farm club to the NFL then you can kiss it good bye. The “spirit” of CFB is what separates it from the NFL. I see a lot of empty seats at Coolray Field.

Let the athletes that don’t think a scholarship “as is” is good enough for them just pay their way as every other student does.

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 2nd, 2011
11:45 am

What are your thoughts on pay-for-play in some form to college athletes?

Division 1 College football is just a minor league system for the NFL. It’s long past time to give the players a slice of the pie. Reckon how much UGA made off Herschel? A lot more than the price of his scholarship I’ll bet and what if he’d suffered a career ending injury while he was still there?

money talks

June 2nd, 2011
11:46 am

The players should get a lot more than $300 per game. That’s chump change for all the millions they bring in for the universities. At the big schools like Georgia, Alabama and Florida, players should get paid a lot more–at least $2,000 per game. At smaller schools, they can pay them $500-$1,000 per game.

Redneck Spokesman

June 2nd, 2011
11:46 am

when we gonna get some help? this tornado insurance on our trailers has gone out of sight and most of us is just a payday away from being pore white trash and illegals rates higher than us

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
11:48 am

Spurrier is one of the two leaders of this group of SEC coaches, Saban is the other leader. Another fine example of Spurrier’s brilliance, just a simple solution that would work, wouldn’t come out of anyone’s budget, and would only need the approval of 12 guys. An elegant solution like that would never be accepted by the powers that be, because they didn’t come up with and they want something more complex that takes years to act on. Richt saort of looks like a granfather figure in these meetings, old and out of touch, and not open to new ideas.

Rip Van Winkle

June 2nd, 2011
11:48 am

Wait a second, when I went to sleep 31 years ago we were payin Hershel a bunch to tote the rock.

juvenal

June 2nd, 2011
11:49 am

do like the olympics did-let the ones who can have corporate “sponsors”…..

Eddie

June 2nd, 2011
11:50 am

I don’t think it’s a good idea. I think paying players would create a whole new set of problems that would take us into a much dangerous, corrupt place.

All students who achieve greatness at their University generate revenue for that school … whether your an athlete or are named a Rhodes Scholar. The University provides you the environment to showcase your talents. In return, the school is elevated by being associated with a place where students thrive and help change the world in some way. This elevation in perception equates to money for the school. The student is then able to leverage that same accomplishment for their benefit outside the institution (job in a lab, corporation or professional football team). The system works.

The problem is that Football and other major sports generate SO MUCH money that most people feel that some sort of action must be taken. It’s like when Oil companies post their revenues and politician go nuts saying that they should forfeit some of those profits.

I just don’t think that’s right. Student athletes are given an incredible opportunity … they play on a grand stage and when they do well, they have incredible opportunities and the University also benefits. If that athlete does something wrong, the University also suffers the consequences, which negatively impacts revenues.

It’s not fair to focus on how much money the University is able to capture from it’s programs … A University has a responsibility to create an environment where young people can come in, learn and create opportunities for themselves in the “real world.” The system isn’t perfect, but it’s the best one going.

mgdawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:50 am

Do people really think this will stop the behind the scenes giving from boosters? Alot of these kids will get as much as they can get, 300 will just be a nice little bonus. As I put on another article, I don’t think people understand what all these kids get at big D1 schools. Free education is only the start, free room and board, free food (this is good food, I knew a guy that was a football player and every thursday was steak and crab leg day), free tutoring, free college apparel, etc. You can easily live off of what you get with an athletic scholarship.

Texas Pete

June 2nd, 2011
11:52 am

I don’t understand all the “what about the regular students” comments. Student-athletes getting paid has nothing to do with regular students passing their classes. Buncha hypocrits on this blog. People are all about free market principles until it benefits someone else…

Let’s apply this newfound socialism of “what about the regular students” to all walks of life. Business executives need to stop getting paid so much and let that excess trickle down to the staff employees. After all, what about the staff employee struggling to make ends meet?

DawginLex

June 2nd, 2011
11:52 am

The paper trail on Spurrier’s idea would be a nightmare.

It might create a bunch more useless jobs in the NCAA Clearinghouse so there is that going for it.

Brad

June 2nd, 2011
11:53 am

How about giving students a percentage of revenue from t-shirt sales, tv contracts, etc., to be set aside in trust until the student is no longer playing college ball? That way they benefit from what they have contributed, but not until they are no longer “amateurs”.

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
11:56 am

Football players make 80% of all income for athletic programs, so they should be comepnsated in some way, above the way other kids in other sprots programs get scholarships, for their bottom line contribution.

Football produces 100x more income than golf, but players in both sports get paid the same (scholarship).

This is not fair.

Cam Newton

June 2nd, 2011
11:57 am

-hit, Rip, nothing’s changed. Go back to sleep.

retired

June 2nd, 2011
11:58 am

NO NO NO NO each scholarship is worth thousands of dollars and the students get to showcase there skills for the pro $$$$ It is a line we do not need to cross. NO NO hell NO!

Rip Van Winkle

June 2nd, 2011
11:58 am

PS49

100X? Golf generates a big fat 0 and there would be no golf without the football dollars.

Rip Van Winkle

June 2nd, 2011
11:59 am

Thanks Cammy Cam. Did you drive Hershels retro Firebird?

blue devils

June 2nd, 2011
12:01 pm

let’s see, room, board, fees, classes, books all paid for. First class health care (that no one can afford), clothes by first class sports clothing outfit, tutors, and travel opportunities(okay sometimes not fancy – see starkville). Why do they need more money? If they don’t like it then don’t sign the scholarship and get a real job……They are taking up spots that could have been filled by folks with higher GPAs and higher SAT/ACT scores that would have loved to attend these colleges and get degrees…..

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:01 pm

Let’s say 1 coach won 10 games a year, and another coach won 1 game a year. Would you pay them the same?

Let’s say 1 CEO earned $100 million a year, and another CEO earned $1 million a year, would you pay them the same?

Let’s say 1 sports program earned $50 million, and the other 1 earned $500,000, would you pay the students the same?

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
12:02 pm

Simple solution…eliminate all rules, then none will be violated.

Bryan G.

June 2nd, 2011
12:02 pm

For a great perspective on this, please see the recent South Park entitled “Crack Baby Basketball Association.”

Cam Newton

June 2nd, 2011
12:05 pm

Naw, Rip, driving my own new Porsche. Had it a while.
My agent advanced me and Terrell the cash about a year ago.

Marteen is a Ballplayer

June 2nd, 2011
12:06 pm

5150, the rest of your rant aside, the SEC has been clamoring for a playoff for the past decade, led by Mike Slive. The Big 10 and Pac 10 commissioners have been vetoing it on a regular basis to keep their precious Rose Bowl as pure as possible. The SEC has, and always will, want a college playoff. That way they can have two teams in the BCS Championship instead of one. As things stand now, the SEC Championship game for all tense and purpose is the NC game.

Carlton

June 2nd, 2011
12:09 pm

Pay the players in the big athletics (football, basketball) a percentage of revenue made off their image or likeness (their jersey, pictures of themselves, autographs they sign, sports games). Players who fill the seats in the stadium (AJ Green, Knowshon Moreno, Reggie Bush, etc) should be able to collect on their likeness because they are the reason individual jerseys, etc are sold. Use another percentage of revenue generated from the larger athletics (again-football, basketball) to fund and pay athletes in smaller sports through extra stipends on top of their scholarship.

Redistribution of funds throughout entire athletic departments is the answer, not just focusing on football, basketball solely.

Texas Pete

June 2nd, 2011
12:10 pm

At a minimum, there should be an account established for those special players who drive jersey sales. Royalties are paid 4 years from the date the LOI is signed or immediately upon graduation, which ever comes first. If a star player leaves early for the NFL he doesn’t get his money until year 4. If a star player redshirts his first season and plays 3 years before “leaving early” or plays 4 years starting as a true freshman he gets his money when leaving the school. If a star player redshirts then plays 4 full seasons then gets his cash while still on campus that 5th year (loyalty reward).

But yes, a person should be paid royalties for money made directly off their likeness. All other players deserve a base amount for being on the team and contributing towards the brand. This includes general licensed products including video games.

will

June 2nd, 2011
12:10 pm

Remove football from the college or university environment. Make it pre NFL and paid for by the
NFL. Get it TOTALLY removed from anything to do with the college or university. Total sham anyway.

Nerd Furgeson

June 2nd, 2011
12:12 pm

Sure let’s pay the players. After they pay their own tuition.

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm

Spurrier’s petition was far from meaningless.
It will help Spurrier in:
Recruiting–players like to play for a coach that’s willing, given the circumstances, to compensate them, out of his own pocket if SEC approves
Families of players–what Mom isn’t moved by Spurrier’s petition to help the parents travel to their kid’s games?
Spurrier’s Current Players–makes you want to play harder for a coach fighting to get you more money

The coaches who voted against it hurt:
recruiting
families of recruits & current players

TDSE

June 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm

We pay some grad students stipends (in PhD programs it is 10-20K but in physics or math this can go as high as 40K a year) along with their tuition waivers because they provide valuable research and teaching support for the school. We should pay student athletes who provide even more lucrative services to their school.

Carlton

June 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm

Another point-does Michigan REALLY need to expand their stadium by another 10,000 seats to make the grand total 120,000 seats, or could they use that money otherwise to pay players/fund their other athletics? Again, the university is only funneling money into their football stadium to earn more money for the President, coach (Brady Hoke), and the Big 10 as a whole by putting another 10,000 a$$es in “The Big House” every Saturday

Louder and Mac

June 2nd, 2011
12:14 pm

PPFA (Payment Plan for Athletes)
Ya’ll ought to let us handle this situation for the entire conference.
Been workin’ out fine over here for decades.
Besides, we’re gonna need somethin’ to do for the next couple of
years. Gonna have a lot of free time.

JRev

June 2nd, 2011
12:15 pm

They don’t deserve a dime. They get FIRST pick when they sign up for classes, meaning they ALWAYS get the easiest/best teachers and time slots, plus the scholarship of course. The solution is to pay the coaches MUCH less and use the revenue to better the schools’ education, instead of promoting athletics. Last week’s South Park mocked this entire system quite well.

DawginLex

June 2nd, 2011
12:16 pm

Russ, you are an internet legend.

Regardless of the choice for UGA I hope you continue posting.

Your posts always cause me to spew Diet Coke out of my nostrils

Ps49

June 2nd, 2011
12:16 pm

Wouldn’t want my kid to play for a coach that
weaseled out of a golf bet on some of my buddies
back about 30 years ago, before he got famous and rich.

spurrier is a blowhard

June 2nd, 2011
12:16 pm

as the parent of a non-football division 1 athlete (Not at UGA,or GT) don’t see where you could make a rule like that and it work, it’s just Spurrier spouting off. I would like to see all athletes at every level at every NCAA school have a free meal plan at the school, walk-ons, soccer guys, baseball players etc., that aren’t on scholarship should at least get all the food they can eat.

spurrier is a blowhard

June 2nd, 2011
12:17 pm

Baseball players play 56 games, most on partial scholarship, ride thousands of miles on a bus and lose 20 pounds during the season eating raman noodles and peanut butter, you gonna pay them 300 a game out of your pocket Stevie?

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:20 pm

Jeff,

Can you ban the 12;16 imatator?

Thanks

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
12:20 pm

Open back up Colonial Bank, and issue ATM cards to all
athletes in the conference, with a credit limit of $300 per week
of season. Each team could invest in a money market fund
to cover.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
12:23 pm

Sorry PS49, typo error, didn’t mean to use
your handle. Just addressing the message to you
about your coach.

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:23 pm

b.s. you do it everyday. 12;23 you know the rules, goodbye.

poopdawg

June 2nd, 2011
12:29 pm

5150, apparently you don’t have a penis.

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:31 pm

Why in the world would Mark Richt vote against this?

If Richt didn’t think it would go through, what’s the harm in backing students?

If Richt did think it would go through, why not be willing to give up less than 10% of his $3 mill income?

THE Death Penalty for THE Ohio State University

June 2nd, 2011
12:33 pm

`
Terrelle Pryor has his 350Z, his cellphone, his tatoos
and no Driver’s License.
.

PS49

June 2nd, 2011
12:35 pm

I don’t see $3000 or $4000 above scholarship hurting amateurism, amateurs would get paid $4k, pros $4 mill.

tax implications? who cares, you make $3 mill a year.

scholarship making up the difference? sure, get the school to pay for instead of Richt?

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
12:38 pm

Good points by Richt about consequences.
Equation
80 players x’s 4 years x’s 13 games per year x’s $300 per game =
$3900 per year per player
$312,000 per year for 80 players
x’s say 4 years per player = $!5,600 per player
x’s say 80 players = $1,248,000 for four years
Lot of accounting, lot of 1099’s by the universities ,
plus the players would become professional athletes
plus they would have to hire an accountant to file their
taxes.
Don’t think Sputterior has even thought about all the consequences.

yuck

June 2nd, 2011
12:38 pm

Why is this even a discussion…college football is already “pay to play.” And the NCAA could care less. Look at Cam Newton. As long as money is funneled through someone besides the player, they don’t care.

Best Regards

June 2nd, 2011
12:47 pm

The Evil Genius is always stirring his mind with evil ideas.

South Georgia

June 2nd, 2011
12:57 pm

This generation will only ask for more if you pay them legally. They need to learn some responsibility rather than being constantly rewarded.

Lowcountry Cock

June 2nd, 2011
12:59 pm

What is it about the HBC that makes AJC writers feel so insecure? This obsession is a bit strange and disturbing. As far as the “pay for play’ issue let’s not change out-dated and flawed system. Instead we can whine about A.J. selling his gear for a grand. Does anybody understand how poor most of these kids are? The shotgun shack that A.J. grew up is probably not worth a grand. Here’s a poor kid less than 12 months from being wealthy having to make this choice. $300 is an awful lot of money when you have nothing.

South Georgia

June 2nd, 2011
1:00 pm

The timing of this proposal to pay players is even more sinister. It seems to say, We cannot stop them from getting paid. Are we going to legalize every crime? I hope not.

IndyGT

June 2nd, 2011
1:01 pm

I applaud CMR for not signing this crumpled up napkin.. this really was a crappy publicity stunt by visor boy. CMR got it right, make the scholly more valuable or something, which you would then have to do for all amateur sports! And yes.. Grad school does give out fellowships, schollys for grad school. But, you’re not an amateur!! Grad students have degrees by then. I had a grad school fellowship in engineering, but had to pay my own rent, bills, health insurance, and many other expenses. And I don’t buy the these kids come from poor families, and have no money argument.. sorry, I knew guys in grad school that supported families of 3-4 on their grad stipend.

Deion

June 2nd, 2011
1:03 pm

Richt was also the LONE DISSENTER among the 12 coaches for trying to reduce from 28 to 25. 11 out of 12 SEC coaches wanted to keep the signings at 28, Richt was the LONE DISSENTER who wanted to get it reduced to 25.

Richt looks closed to all ideas that are not his own.

Never Again

June 2nd, 2011
1:03 pm

Why should a kid like A.J. make a decision to sell his gear and jeopardize his career? Because he is poorer than most could ever imagine. $300 is an awful lot of money when you have nothing.

Skeezix

June 2nd, 2011
1:04 pm

Geeezzzz. Coaches; i.e., teachers paying students (remember they are suppose to be students)? Terrible idea. Talk about self serving and a conflict of interest. What’s next? An auction?

Hey Steve: Why not just make a contribution of that amount of money to USC in the players names? Or contribute to cancer research, your church, or victims of the tornado that hit Joplin………….

Deion

June 2nd, 2011
1:06 pm

This article made me realize why Richt keeps losing so many games.

He’s not open to any new ideas. Like running the football.

DOGATOR

June 2nd, 2011
1:07 pm

The only reason that Mark Richt or any coach is even concerned about the financial plight of the players is totally self motivated. They all should be ashamed.

Buckeye

June 2nd, 2011
1:08 pm

The Death Penalty,

No excuses for Pryor but you may want to catch up the car situation. It has 80,000 miles on it and his mother paid about $11K for it.

I won’t bring up any driving related issues regarding other cats and dogs.

Tattoos? Can’t wait to see Isaiah’s, The Annointed One II, tricep art.

IndyGT

June 2nd, 2011
1:10 pm

Schultz – any idea what the yearly value of a Division I athletic scholarship is? I’d like to see what it is factoring in housing, food, books, clothes, etc. Did a quick google search, but didn’t find much. I’m willing to bet its probably more than the avg. US family pulls in.

Chris Matthews

June 2nd, 2011
1:10 pm

The 3 biggest cheaters in college football will agree on anything to further their images!

Deion

June 2nd, 2011
1:11 pm

Richt shoots down other people’s ideas or new ideas.

Kind of blind, close minded, intolerent, dogmatic, and basically unpersuadeable.

That’s why he went 6-7 last season.

NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT

June 2nd, 2011
1:16 pm

Somebody said it earlier but what about free education, free clothes, free food, instant respectability and pedigree, travel, exposure to academia, etc., could go on and on. If these guys and their families so hard up why is there no value put in the items previously mentioned? You know why? Because they are all thugs and gansta’s. Not matter what you give them they will bitch and moan for more. How ’bout let’s tell them if they don’t like it to go out and get a job or start their own league and reap their own profits. Fact is they can’t and furthermore do not appreciate the gifts they are given by God and these schools.

NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT

June 2nd, 2011
1:19 pm

Deion…I am not a Richt fan but I can tell you are stupid, dumb, ignorant, tiny-minded, dim-witted and basically a mental pigmy.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
1:21 pm

Jeff, it’s good to be blogging with you again. I’m busy getting ready for the season. Coach Grantham has me working out with the safeties. You might see me for a few plays in the Chik-fil-a game. I may have misjudged Coach Grantham. He seems like a pretty good guy when you get to know him. There was that incident at the doughnut shop when they forget his sprinkles and he gave the choke sign to the young girl behind the counter. Mostly, though, he seems intent on getting his defense ready and becoming head coach here sometime soon. If I was Coach Richt I would sleep with one eye open.

GTT

June 2nd, 2011
1:22 pm

Make their scholarships cover grad school after their eligibility is up. Good idea, no?

Joe Namath, Jr: Super H.S. Football Player

June 2nd, 2011
1:22 pm

To All SEC Coaches: I read about how you guys want to pay players on a per game basis. I will graduate from H.S. next year. I can throw a football 110 yards, run the 100 meter dash in 9.8 sec., am 6′6″, weigh 250 lbs., can bench press 700 lbs., and I hold all the H.S. quarterback records in the nation.

How much will you bid for my services?

DawginLex

June 2nd, 2011
1:24 pm

Richt is the only one in the room with the guts to stand up for his principles.

The rest are sheep being led to slaughter.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
1:26 pm

Being “Temporary” is hard on a mascot. It looks like I’d be permanent mascot what with all the dead mascots they’ve had to deal with lately. Having a big, inbred heart that can burst at any time would be bad enough but the weak bladder, slobbering, and drooling is hard on a dog. Of course, most of the coeds here are dealing with that, too. It’s something they have to work on before the season begins.

SC Boy

June 2nd, 2011
1:29 pm

This I know. Spurrier is going to kill it in the SEC this year especially with Garcia. UGA fans need to deal with it and him. He’s got a heckuva team and he’s going to run roughshod over the conference for a couple of years. And then he’ll retire a winner again. Makes you UGA fans sick, doesn’t it?

And as for the pay for players? He’s already in every national sports publication. I think he made his point while Richt sat on his duff and (as usual) never makes a commitment.

Texas Pete

June 2nd, 2011
1:31 pm

NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT IS MAD!!! Yep, wanting cash in the pocket makes you a thug and gangster. Nick Saban must be cappin’ fools left and right the way he’s jumped around for money.

Texas Pete

June 2nd, 2011
1:35 pm

Steve,

I cannot tell you how nice it would have been if you ran a 4.2 40 and could tote the rock like Herschel.

steve

June 2nd, 2011
1:35 pm

College athletes do get paid. It is called a scholarship. As one who paid for his own college education, I cannot begin to tell you how nice it would have been if someone had been willing to pay for my tuition, books, and room in exchange for playing a sport.

KCR

June 2nd, 2011
1:36 pm

Congratulations to Coach Spurrier for deflecting the media away from the more serious issue of oversigning!

Alabama | MrSEC.com

June 2nd, 2011
1:36 pm

[...] 1. Florida’s John Brantley will likely have a better TD/INT ratio this fall… but he’ll also take some sacks in Charlie Weis’ offense.2. Former Gator cornerback Janoris Jenkins pled no contest yesterday to the marijuana charge that led to his dismissal. (He received a small fine.)3. This Georgia fan/blogger writes that he’s lost faith in Mark Richt and will understand if some Dawg fans “will be open to selling their morality for a football coach who wins (like Jim Tressel)” this December. 4. Five-star UGA basketball signee Kentavious Caldwell-Pope is academically eligible.5. This writer says Steve Spurrier’s pay-the-players proposal is meaningless… but has merits. [...]

heartofdarkness

June 2nd, 2011
1:40 pm

Please, Jeff, be mindful of our desire to show our commitment to displaying the sincerity and intensity of our effort by bending the rules, taking short-cuts and otherwise manipulating the contest in our favor. If you don’t do that, you’re not trying. What is sport going to be worth, if all the shady characters and underhanded dealings are gone?

Mark

June 2nd, 2011
1:49 pm

Mr. Schultz dislike of the 2nd greatest coach in SEC history is obvious in the tone of the article and the quick dismissal of Spurriers idea. Why? Is it because Spurrier has beaten UGA (and notice how many Georgia fans that comment are fine with what Spurrier suggests…good on them) so many times? Is it because Spurrier hates the BCS? Is it because he runs clean programs?

A putrid article without any objectivity.

The Real JC

June 2nd, 2011
1:52 pm

What do college kids spend their money on when all of their books, food and classes are covered? Nothing good.

In many cases, you’re getting flown around in private jets, training in facilities nicer than most NFL teams, staying at luxury hotels and generally having all needs met. Yes, players deserve to see royalties from the use of their likeness, but handing them a check after each game is not the answer.

Perhaps some sort of bond or fund that fully matures after 4 years in school that is baked into their scholarships? That way, players who don’t get drafted have something to fall back on when they graduate. Also, no graduation = no $$$.

NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT

June 2nd, 2011
1:57 pm

Texas Peter, cap in the what? You are a moron. Look at the numbers these kids put up. Then look at the stupid @#$% they do. This will never end until someone drops the hammer. They get better and better, are given more and more yet their behavior continues to drop in the abyss. And yes I am mad. I was a college football player. Say what you will but the ‘content of these men’s character’ is drastically below that of what it once was. The days when guys got out and played the game because they loved it not because of ‘me me me.’ Petty and felony crimes has skyrocketed with this ‘new breed’ and if you are too stupid to see it, God help you…because no one else (including Obama) will.

juvenal

June 2nd, 2011
1:58 pm

look at the IOC model-take support outside the ncaa, call them amateurs via the olympics rules…..let the market decide….

JayTee

June 2nd, 2011
2:02 pm

How much would a cross country runner get? Doesn’t he or she play into this deal?? Or is life all about football?

Hey Steve, NCAA will be knocking

June 2nd, 2011
2:03 pm

I’m sure he live to regret this.

DWayne

June 2nd, 2011
2:11 pm

Looks like the Ole Ball Coach stole the show again.

Has the whole nation buzzing about him.

Meaningless? I think not.

DWayne

June 2nd, 2011
2:13 pm

ESPN covering the meaningless story too

TheAntiMe

June 2nd, 2011
2:13 pm

The NCAA has always been the most hypocritical institution when it comes to the billions of dollars schools rake in collectively as opposed to the draconian measures the NCAA takes to ensure that the players don’t see a dime of that money.

It’s akin to being on Gilligan’s Island and the other 5 castaways using all of the available resources to build a Georgian mansion for Mr. and Mrs. Howell only to have to sleep outside in the jungle themselves.

Mr. Howell: Lovie, Lovie Dear, you didn’t give away any of our coconut creme pie to those knaves, did you?

Mrs Howell: Really, Thurston, let them eat cake!

DWayne

June 2nd, 2011
2:15 pm

Rivals, USA Today, Sports Illustrated also carrying Spurrier’s meaningless concept.

Why can’t Richt get people talking about him/UGA??

Dirty Dawg

June 2nd, 2011
2:16 pm

Hey Russ, the temporary one, if you can’t see, or aren’t willing to admit, that Mark Richt’s position on this pay thing, as well as over-signing, is not only thoughtful and rational but the only way that either will be resolved going forward, then we need to just rub your mashed-in nose in it and whip your butt with a rolled up AJC…maybe that’ll stop you from sucking The Grandstander’s (Spurrier) eggs.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
2:16 pm

On the question of football equity, here is a partial quote taken from a blog on http://www.ncaa.org by John Infante, “Time for Football to Pick a Side.” Infante is Compliance Director at Colorado State.

“One option is for FBS football to agree to a playoff, but not just any playoff. An actual NCAA Championship, run by the NCAA, with revenue distributed by the NCAA according to traditional standards of NCAA revenue distribution. Lots of black, the same field at every site, with blue circles as far as the eye can see. Assuming a college football playoff earned revenue equal to the Division I men’s basketball tournament, it would pay for the jump to full cost of attendance scholarships for all sports, a substantially increased enforcement staff, all while allowing for significantly higher revenue distributed based on success in the championship.

The other option is for FBS football to be kicked out. That is, to remove FBS football from the list of NCAA sports, stop regulating the sport, and stop using football to determine how revenue is distributed. In effect, if football does not want to have actual skin in the game of its own regulation, the NCAA shouldn’t either.”

DWayne

June 2nd, 2011
2:16 pm

Scout ran his meaningless story too.

Scout & Rivals, not bad for recruiting.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
2:21 pm

Dirty Dawg, I don’t think Coach Richt is all that smart. Now, don’t take that wrong because he is my boss on Saturdays when I am on the sidelines. Still, I don’t think he should have to ask someone what to think, say, or do when he is the head football coach at UGA. He should stand for something besides sunglasses and a tan. This may get me in trouble and I may be out of a job pretty soon but I am one of the few bulldogs still standing that is not inbred so badly that my teeth are coming out of my painted a$$. Have a nice day.

Dink

June 2nd, 2011
2:21 pm

Where do you draw the line? Every athlete from every sport (including the ones in the red) will demand stipends or paychecks. It took me years to pay off my student loan. I agree with blue devils post on page 1. And what will they want next?

Go Dawgs!

NoGaGator

June 2nd, 2011
2:23 pm

Title IX needs to become pragmatic for any of this to work.

I have no problem of the concept of equal scholarships for men and women based upon the men/women ration at a university with one exception – Football.

Football takes 85 scholarships. No other sport has more than 20. Football is also the biggest revenue generator at virtually all university programs. There are only about 20 universities in the country that actually make money during the year – and that’s thanks to football. It takes 4 womens’ teams to equate to football. If Title IX was pragmatically employed, the football team would count for 20 scholarships. Then you’d have something that would work for all. Otherwise, the biggest cash cow effectively penalizes all other mens’ programs.

Time to change Title IX. Then we can talk about add’l reimbursements. Otherwise, college sports would go broke.

ATL Sports Fan

June 2nd, 2011
2:29 pm

Hey Deion!! Do not know how to read or you just plain dumb? Don’t let facts get in the way, but Richt voted to keep the number at 28. Not sure where you get your info. If 12 of 12 SEC coaches voted to keep the number at 28 then where did you get that Richt voted against it? Last time I checked the SEC has 12 member schools. I’m waiting for your response!!

Right from ajc.com

South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier said the coaches voted 12-0 to keep the signing day limit at 28

Deion

June 2nd, 2011
1:03 pm
Richt was also the LONE DISSENTER among the 12 coaches for trying to reduce from 28 to 25. 11 out of 12 SEC coaches wanted to keep the signings at 28, Richt was the LONE DISSENTER who wanted to get it reduced to 25.

Richt looks closed to all ideas that are not his own.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
2:29 pm

Thanks for all the e-mails offering support for my positions. I am thinking about getting a bus and riding all over the state much like Sarah Palin is doing right now in the northeast. I believe Russ, the Temporary Mascot may have a political future in this state. What if I got elected and we really did run this state? I have 3 degrees from UGA and sometime before next season kicks off I plan to graduate from the colllege of cosmotology in suntan science. That will give me 4 degrees from UGA and with those I should be able to enter the mascot hall of fame.

TheAntiMe

June 2nd, 2011
2:31 pm

I suppose that Steve Spurrier could always pay his players in used head visors for every one of his that he slams to the ground.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
2:31 pm

Cosmetology. Remember, I am a dog.

Coach Grohbo

June 2nd, 2011
2:32 pm

The only reason Spurrier presented his ridiculous proposal was to mock Richt’s equally ridiculous proposal on “roster management”.

I understand he even impersonated Richt as he did it.

They said it was hilarious.

Coach Grohbo

June 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm

““The spirit of wanting to get more financial help for our players is unanimous. But how to go about it, I’m saying that wouldn’t necessarily be the best way to do it. I didn’t sign [Spurrier's proposal] because I didn’t want to say that’s how I felt was the best way to get it done. … In no way shape or form was I saying I didn’t want to help student-athletes. I 100 percent do. … But how do you do it without hurting amateurism? How do you do it without tax implications? Maybe it’s through the scholarship becoming more valuable.”

Thank you for that clear and courageous stand, Mr. Milquetoast.

Russ, the Temporary Mascot

June 2nd, 2011
2:35 pm

The folks at Chevron have asked if they can rent my a$$ on game days. They want to put a Chevron logo on my a$$ so when the cameras are on me they get some advertising like in NASCAR. They also talked with Coach Richt about a decal on his bald spot but he got really mad. I think I may agree to the sign on my a$$ if the money comes to me rather than the school. Isn’t that what this blog is all about?

PoorRichard

June 2nd, 2011
2:38 pm

You can legally pay them as much as you want. It will still not stop the problem. They will still accept outside compensation if offered, and it will be. $300 ain’t jack. $3000 ain’t jack. $300,000 is more like it. When you open this door, there is no end. College student athletes should not be supporting their families or even have their own families. If they are, dismiss them and tell them to get a job. The policy should not change. Colleges have no business in professional athletics, no matter how much income they earn. It erodes the ultimate mission of a university. Please NCAA and coaches, regulate this system better. What happened to the honor system in coaching that eschewed winning at all cost?
-former NCAA athlete

Coach Grohbo

June 2nd, 2011
2:40 pm

I understand Coach Spurrier was mocking Coach Richt in his voice when he presented his toungue-in-cheek pay-for-play proposal.

The rest of the coaches had just wasted the day enduring Richt’s “roster management” proposal, which doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of passing.

Spurrier’s timing was perfect. I heard it was hilarious.

Ted M

June 2nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Give them one scholarship, if they graduate, to give away in the future perhaps to their child.

PoorRichard

June 2nd, 2011
2:52 pm

Dear Cam Newton,
I might allow you to wash my car after you are a bust in the NFL or get hurt. Get your degree, loser. It is your only long time insurance against poverty. We’ll use you for profit in the pros too. Then the government will take half, your agent another half and you will blow the rest. Then you can return to a plantation in LA, Lower Alabama.

PoorRichard

June 2nd, 2011
2:58 pm

When the NCAA starts paying players is when I stop watching. See ya.

Spurrier

June 2nd, 2011
2:59 pm

Dawginlex, I think you have things confused. The only corch gettin slaughtered out there is Richt. After another 7 win season, what will his pious idiotic principles get him then? A buyout.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 2nd, 2011
2:59 pm

In order for a commodity to be worth something, it has to be in the hands of someone who can make use of its value.

Giving a college scholarship to someone who can barely get through his high school classes makes no more sense than buying a plasma screen TV for a blind man, or buying a steak dinner for a vegetarian, or paying you your paycheck in Zimbabwean dollars. Just because a scholarship would be a valuable commodity to some people doesn’t mean it is a valuable commodity to someone who doesn’t belong in a college classroom to begin with. Compensating someone by giving them something that is worthless to them is no better than not compensating them at all.

If the NCAA wants to keep up the charade of amateurism and the “student-athlete”, they need to start holding athletes to the same admission standards as everyone else. No more admitting five-star recruits who score 400 on the SAT. If the NCAA wants to continue making money off of athletes who don’t belong in college, it’s time to start compensating them with something that is actually valuable to them.

Either raise athlete admission standards to the same level as everyone else, or pay the players like the hired contractors that they basically already are.

By the way you all should watch last week’s South Park episode which deals with this topic.

Spurrier

June 2nd, 2011
3:07 pm

ATL Sports fan – Yeah, he voted to keep it at 28 after he realized no other coach was going to stand on his soap box. He looks like an idiot now after talking all that noise, then capitulating when it was clear nobody agreed with him. What a loser, good thing he coaches for a fanbase full of them.

Druid City

June 2nd, 2011
3:08 pm

@Coach Grohbo,

It sounds like the SEC coaches respect Richt about as much as his players do.

gdawginkalamazoo

June 2nd, 2011
3:17 pm

If these kids don’t want to play college football for a full ride scholarship then don’t make them. Oh, wait, nobody is making them play football. I guess it is just a damn fine opportunity to maybe have a better life by getting an education through hard work. That or hang out in the neighborhood upon graduation or join the military or get a job. Hey I just described 99% of the population. The other 1% inherits it or lives off the trust fund.

RCB

June 2nd, 2011
3:19 pm

Exactly what is the relationship between a coach lying to a highschool student about giving him a scholarship and a college athlete being paid $300 to play in a game??? Some one yelled “rape”(ie the coaches are lying) and the coaches yelled “fire” (ie why aren’t we paying athletes to play). If you are falling for this trick, I have 2 teenage sons that would like to adopt you as their surrogate father.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
3:20 pm

Give them all a LOAN for their time in College and they will just have to pay it back like every other student. If the players get a worthless degree and can’t get a good job So be it. They will get out of college just like most students with Loans out the butt.
A Murray at UGA better hope he makes it to the NFL. He is majoring in Psychology and that JOKE will get you to be a school councilor. If he had to pay back student loans with that degree it would take him until he is 40 to pay them off.
WHO OWNS the rights to the players in college?
I think it is the NCAA and starts when the Player signs the CONTRACT/ Letter of Intent.
The NCAA has every right to USE/ Sale the images to EA sports.
Pay the Players fine. Make the Players pay for the Better Food they eat and the better Workout Facilities too. Make them Rent their Uniforms, Pads, Helmets, and everything they USE to promote them selves to the NFL. Student Athletes will have to pay for their Hotel rooms and travel costs too. Hell the football players are already treated like Politicians. They get all kinds of stuff free, opportunities other people can’t afford, and treated like they are something special when they are not that great anyway.

TheAntiMe

June 2nd, 2011
3:26 pm

The policy should not change. Colleges have no business in professional athletics, no matter how much income they earn. It erodes the ultimate mission of a university. Please NCAA and coaches, regulate this system better. What happened to the honor system in coaching that eschewed winning at all cost?
-former NCAA athlete

But that’s the deal, PoorRichard. College Football is a professional sport where many institutions earn more money than teams in the NFL. It seems rather disingenuous for the university presidents on down to the assistant coaches to be raking in hundreds of thousands and, many more of them, millions of dollars and say that we are participating in an amateur enterprise – because make no mistake about it – NCAA football has little to nothing to do with the so-called mission of education and everything to do about raking in the megabucks.

You do realize that the NCAA gets paid handsomely to whore out their brand with everything from tee-shirts to video games? It’s a mission alright. As a matter of fact, starting this coming college football season the NCAA will be bringing to the Kroger nearest you the all new USC Trojans brand condoms.

TheAntiMe

June 2nd, 2011
3:30 pm

Where you is, comment?

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
3:30 pm

Hell $300/game wouldn’t even cover the Shoes the players get for free.

TheAntiMe

June 2nd, 2011
3:31 pm

The policy should not change. Colleges have no business in professional athletics, no matter how much income they earn. It erodes the ultimate mission of a university. Please NCAA and coaches, regulate this system better. What happened to the honor system in coaching that eschewed winning at all cost?
-former NCAA athlete

But that’s the deal, PoorRichard. College Football is a professional sport where many institutions earn more money than teams in the NFL. It seems rather disingenuous for the university presidents on down to the assistant coaches to be raking in hundreds of thousands and, many more of them, millions of dollars and say that we are participating in an amateur enterprise – because make no mistake about it – NCAA football has little to nothing to do with the so-called mission of education and everything to do about raking in the megabucks.

You do realize that the NCAA gets paid handsomely to pimp out their brand with everything from tee-shirts to video games? It’s a mission alright. As a matter of fact, starting this coming college football season the NCAA will be bringing to the Kroger nearest you the all new USC Trojans brand condoms.

The Evil Genius

June 2nd, 2011
3:40 pm

Well, we’re gonna pitch it, gonna catch it… Somebody’s gotta win, may as well be us.

GT Dude

June 2nd, 2011
3:46 pm

It is a nice idea, but in the socialistic world of the college campus environment not only the revenue generating sport athletes will get a piece of the pie the non revenue sports athletes will demand to get paid. No college president is willing to expose his student athletes to the harsh realities of real world economics where only the athletes in the positive cash flow sports get paid.

Joe Bob Thibodaux

June 2nd, 2011
3:48 pm

I suppose the question to CMR is:

Is $300 per game enough to make bail?

Just kiddin,

Of course, there ain’t anyone making those kids go to college to be student athletes either.

Will enough ever be enough?

JBT

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
3:48 pm

If the NCAA does dump the bowls and has a playoff at on campus sites what will the people do? An NCAA sanctioned event is not supposed to serve Beer and Alcohol at the events. Bowl game are fun partly because you can get drunk during the game without having to sneak the stuff in with you.
If Student Athletes really cared about their college then why not let all the money Football generates just go to help lower the cost for All Students to attend the colleges. There would be no need for Student Activities if all that college football money were used to cover that and maybe LAB fees for all students too.

crackbaby

June 2nd, 2011
3:51 pm

NCAA Football and the Universities = The last and richest plantation on the planet.

Ohio State’s annual athletic budget is over $100 million. Other than possibly men’s basketball, no other sport makes money except for football. For their “scholarships” OSU football players are enrolled in classes such as “Fundamentals of Football Officiating” and other crap courses that WON’T EVEN TRANSFER to Youngstown State or Grambling.

The scholarship in many cases is almost worthless. However, the compensation to the university and its athletic department is seven or eight figures. Throw in all the NCAA rules that prohibit gifts and compensation, it’s slave labor.

No other athletes should be compensated because their sports don’t produce revenue, so the scholarship and the opportunity to play is enough. Pay the football players – maybe a lifetime annuity. $250 a month for life. That way they don’t get a wad of cash all at once. Force the NCAA and the Universities to keep enough revenue each year to fund the annuities off interest only.

It’ll never happen, but it should be done.

HatGuy

June 2nd, 2011
3:56 pm

Richt has said many times in AJC interviews with Chip, he’s against over-signing, he likes kids being told they might be cut, he’s the only SEC coach that feels that way.

don medeiros

June 2nd, 2011
4:02 pm

Once again, I say let the NFL pay for a minor league system – not the colleges. Colleges should be in the business of academic excellence – not tutoring people in basic English that should have been learned in 9th and 10th grades. The NFL owners have 9 Billion to spend – let them spend it on a minor leagues system like baseball.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
4:03 pm

The players don’t even have to pay to attend the games. That’s worth a lot at some places.

AfghanHoundDawg

June 2nd, 2011
4:06 pm

Enter your comments here
why not let athletes get jobs which can be approved by school’s compliance board. If hanky panky pursues, punish athlete and employer in some fashion. I’m tired of the universities being punished for kids and coaches’ mistakes. Tressel et al should have been fined (coach) and players punished. No death penalty for either. No killed anyone, nor did they get some great advantage. Things have gone a little over the top on this. The media is as guilty as anyone for the overkill.

ATL Sports Fan

June 2nd, 2011
4:06 pm

5150 UOAD, the sale of alcohol at NCAA events is up to the conference/school. You can purchase beer at all Big East events.

Dawg Whisperer

June 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Dealing in truth always helps. The only reason most fans want to keep athletes that are marginal students on the team roster is to enjoy a higher brand of collegiate football. OK, we all get that. I still prefer the college atmosphere to an NFL game and somehow I believe that monetary pay/compensation in some form to the players will undermine the team concept and collegiate spirit of the game.

In my mind, the best solution is one of avoidance of mixing academics and pay. Separate out those who go to college for a career in the NFL via a minor league funded by the NFL from those who want to attend college and oh, by the way, play for the school. Sure, the level of play will be downgraded but there will still be a number of students who happen to play the sport quite well.

Buckeye

June 2nd, 2011
4:19 pm

Pryor’s license has been reinstated. Lawyer has proof of insurance at the time of the stop sign ticket.

While I do think this kid is a prima donna/punk, he’s getting crucified in the press. Crucify the tree killers, not the 18-21 year old kids.

College Football in America: Where else can we glorifiy then villify with such passion and delight?

REALLY?

June 2nd, 2011
4:19 pm

Who is going to pay the Pharm & Vet students that will actually graduate and give back 10 fold to the school in the future?

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
4:27 pm

Atl Sports fan
I know but MOST schools/conferences don’t allow it. Most Bowl games are not in the Northern half of the Country for a reason too. Would a Wisconsin have an Advantage Playing a Florida in a playoff up in Madison, WI?
crackbaby
June 2nd, 2011
3:51 pm

NCAA Football and the Universities = The last and richest plantation on the planet.

Ohio State’s annual athletic budget is over $100 million. Other than possibly men’s basketball, no other sport makes money except for football. For their “scholarships” OSU football players are enrolled in classes such as “Fundamentals of Football Officiating” and other crap courses that WON’T EVEN TRANSFER to Youngstown State or Grambling.

The scholarship in many cases is almost worthless. However, the compensation to the university and its athletic department is seven or eight figures. Throw in all the NCAA rules that prohibit gifts and compensation, it’s slave labor.

I don’t think Slaves have a CHOICE as to which Plantation they get to work on or if they want to be a SLAVE either. The Players MAKE A CHOICE to play football for a college. There are RULES the players agree to before they SIGN the LOI. College Football is like an Internship. Interns don’t get paid either, but they learn some skills to use in the future or hopefully to turn the internship into a good JOB. Businesses offering Internships get all the same benefits you say colleges get from Football.

Pay the Athletes that win championships not just football.
At UGA the Football players would be looking at the Woman’s GYM team get PAID bigtime. That would be so funny. The Jock Straps getting paid less then the Leotards because the leotards EARN their money and trophies.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
4:29 pm

Crackbaby
The Scholarships are not worthless. The fact the Student Athlete choses not to take a Course of Study to a valuable Degree again is all on them. If they are too STUPID to take real courses then they shouldn’t be in college in the first place.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
4:34 pm

With what is happening in the NFL right now the Players need to wake up and listen. The Average NFL career is 3.5 years. 15% of the players make 80% of the money. If College players are TOO DAMN DUMB to not get a Great Degree then it is on them.

Joey

June 2nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Come on Buckeye, “kid?”

Native to the ATL

June 2nd, 2011
4:49 pm

Im okay with 300.00 per game for the players…..IF and only IF they get caught taking anything else they are suspended for the remainder of the year. Sporty ride all of sudeen ineligible…..tattoos without receipts….ineligible. you get the point.

sunny purdue

June 2nd, 2011
4:53 pm

I agree with SOS. The athletes should be getting some spending money. If you ever saw how the NCAA folks live it would make you sick – they live the high life and get their money by shaking down the member institutions. Besides, Garcia needs some beer money.

sharecropper

June 2nd, 2011
4:54 pm

If you think any coach in America is gonna take $21,000 out of his salary, you’re nuts. The first thing to happen would be an increase in his salary, passed on to “student athletes”, a misnomer of gargantuan proportions, and the second thing to happen would be Coach B doubling down on what Coach A was offering. The recruiting wars are about money.

SoupBowl

June 2nd, 2011
4:55 pm

Even Phil Fulmer has come out and supported Steve SPurrier’s proposal.

WOW!

Henry Paulson

June 2nd, 2011
4:57 pm

$purrier and $aban are attempting a bail-out similar to George W. Bush.
Their teams are ” Too Big To Fail “.

SoupBowl

June 2nd, 2011
5:01 pm

rICHT WANTS TO GIVE THAT $300,000 OT THE LORD, NOT THE PLAYERS. KIDDING.

bamaguy

June 2nd, 2011
5:11 pm

When I was a student at the University of Alabama (Dark Ages) I was paid by the university to be circulation manager of the student newspaper, The Crimson White. Universities pay students who provide a service to the institution all the time. Why should athletes not be paid as well (and the Crimson White never had a multi-million dollar deal with ESPN)?

kool$kat

June 2nd, 2011
5:11 pm

I only like the pay for play IF, and I say IF, players are required to sign a 4 year contract and stop all this jumping to the NFL and NBA leaving the programs and fans behind.

All I'm Saying Is....

June 2nd, 2011
5:23 pm

I would propose that all the college football jersey revenue should go into a trust fund that is distributed in an equal percentage (unless a player opts out) to every player that earns their degree and it is paid out as an annual annuity or lump sum (players choice).

Redneck Spokesman

June 2nd, 2011
5:25 pm

What’s wrong with them borrowing on their future earnings if they want something? That’s what us Rednecks do. Course we don’t count for much.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 2nd, 2011
5:28 pm

The NCAA can’t even control the rules it has in place right now. Give them a headache like trying to control play for pay and you might as well, give up the amateur status thing for college football. Does anyone for a minute believe that the coaches would actually stick to that 300 bucks if it was given out by the coaches. I don’t care whether it came out of their pay or what source you use. Of course there are people on these blogs that actually feel no coach in the SEC is unethical I am sure. The news wires are already having a ball with ole stevie boys comment. Just what is needed. More attention given to the SEC. Stevie the wonder boy comes through once again. Now watch out SC because the NCAA will be putting you under a microscope from now on for the next year or so.

Matt Skole

June 2nd, 2011
5:31 pm

The SEC Loves the BCS because they don’t want to risk losing in a playoff

That maybe the dumbest comment ive ever seen on here and thats saying something.

The SEC would welcome a playoff with open arms because they would dominate that too and probably have two teams playing for the title every year instead of one.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
5:47 pm

The SEC wants a Playoff IF it is by the rules the SEC agrees with.
IF the Playoff were all 12 Conference Champs and 4 at-large teams, then the SEC wouldn’t always get an At-Large 2nd team in the playoff.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 2nd, 2011
5:58 pm

“If they are too STUPID to take real courses then they shouldn’t be in college in the first place.”

Exactly, which is why colleges shouldn’t admit them. Good luck getting colleges to forgo that cash cow though.

If colleges are willing to compromise their admission standards to make a quick buck, they should share that buck with the players who put in the work to earn it for them.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
6:03 pm

A big problem with borrowing on future earnings is risk to the lender. That generally translates into how much the lender is willing to lend, what the exorbitant rate will be, definition of collateral (family house, cars, land, etc.), and payment schedule. There are some guys in Miami and New Orleans that would be willing to do it for a freshman.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:08 pm

Don’t think Superior has thought this out.
$2,000,000 gross income, Obama tax bracket gets around $800,000 of this
$1,200,000 net income
80 players x’s $300 per game x’s 14 games x’s 4 seasons = $1,200,000.
And this will not be a tax deductible cost to Superior.
Equates to about 25% of his net income for a 4 year athlete.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
6:08 pm

Najeh – It’s not a cash cow except for a relatively few universities. Many schools have to dip into the general funds of the university, Stanford being a case in point last year. One of the recent blog articles at http://www.ncaa.org discussed the haves and the have-nots of Div. 1 football in that regard.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Don’t think Spurrier has carefully thought this out.
80 players x 4 years eligibility x’s 14 games per year x’s $300 per game
= $1,200,000.
Annual salary, $2,000,000 less $800,000 taxes = $1,200,000 annual net income.
4 years = about 25% of Spurrier’s salary.
And the contribution is not tax deductible.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
6:13 pm

Simplifying it to $300 per month per athlete, the total 4 year cash for all NCAA athletes is $2.448 billion.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:15 pm

Apparently Spurrier did not major in accounting.
Richt apparently has a better education.
Which coach would you want your kid under for 4 years?

Matt Skole

June 2nd, 2011
6:17 pm

then the SEC wouldn’t always get an At-Large 2nd team in the playoff

Yes they would. 98 percent of the time

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:21 pm

Thanks Delbert.. Even more reason this is just another blunder by the coach
who don’t pay his golf bets.

BoomBoom

June 2nd, 2011
6:23 pm

If anyone thinks Spurrier’s proposition is about coaches actually paying these stipends out of their pocket – don’t ever play poker. He has kicked-started, much like ignited (what Spurrier excells at), the discussion. Linking compensating the student athlete for the full cost of attending school to the revenue producing sports is the challenge. Otherwise it’s bogged down in Title IX requirements and goes no where.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:29 pm

I certainly wouldn’t play poker or golf with him.
He doesn’t pay his losses.

Douglas

June 2nd, 2011
6:38 pm

Players should not be paid. I worked my way through school while at UGA — paid my own tuition — paid my own bills. Why? I had no choice. And this was before the HOPE scholarship came about. The problem is that players do not appreciate a degree, nor the free housing, nor the room and board they get. Let’s look at it another way: for those players only interested in playing football to make it to the NFL, why don’t they pay the college a fee for getting trained to make it to the NFL? Think of how much money each school pays to have facilities built for these players to be trained: in the millions. Coaches only care about getting big contracts and taking care of their players. So what if the football program subsidizes other programs and they do not get any money — the players get a free education, free training, free food, free room and board, and they get free marketing of their skills on TV.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
6:39 pm

Matt Skole Yes they would. 98 percent of the time
Matt it seems you have been drinking again today. Please don’t drive this time.

GeezusDawg

June 2nd, 2011
6:40 pm

Pay for Players? No.

Allow ALL college athletes to profit from their name? Yes.

Can’t use any NCAA or schools affiliation in their “ads” though. If someone wants to pay for a female equestrian’s endorsement, so be it.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
6:43 pm

Looks like Ealey know best. He want to be a Gamecock now too.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
6:49 pm

Ealey would fit right in with the program.
He could hang out with the quarterback.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
6:56 pm

How much would I have to pay for a Gym Dawgs Competition warn (not washed) Leotard?
I guess after every Game the players will be on E-bay auctioning off that weeks game jersey.

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
6:57 pm

@blue devils – can you catch a football, block, or run for 10 yards? Who’s spot are THEY taking?

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
6:57 pm

The Big Ten proposed the issue of “Full Cost of Attendance” well before the SEC meetings. Read about it here:

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2011/05/what-full-cost-of-attendance-really-means/

The author is Director of Compliance for Colorado State. He has several must-read articles on the NCAA.Org website, including the BCS vs. NCAA playoff issue and a possible scenario where the major football schools would no longer be under the NCAA.

Tell the truth

June 2nd, 2011
6:59 pm

Good buddy Steve doesn’t want the gravy train to stop anytime soon. Does he think it would ever be approved??? Wanna bet??

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
7:02 pm

@shankit and delbert – I am an accountant and the last ncaa tournament contract for just basketball was $9 billion. 25% of a coaches salary is cool. The government takes %18-50% and churches ask for %10 and I get less enjoyment out of them. Stop being hypocrites, if you watch a ncaa game on television you have participated in the ruse. Go pay to watch an ivy league game if you want.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
7:03 pm

51 – Reading that article about Ealey and the other Gamecocks, looks like Spurrier may need to require daily brain scans of Garcia to try and see what stunt he’s going to pull next.

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
7:10 pm

@Douglas – yeah, but can you run a 4.3 or tackle a 220 lb back?

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
7:13 pm

Title IX stuff: The University of Georgia Equestrian team has 67 members. At $300 a month, that would be an additional outlay $964,800 a month for 4 years. Fortunately, it’s a club “sport” at Georgia Tech with 11 members.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
7:18 pm

@Steve Superior – Me, hypocrite? I just provide information. The NCAA sponsors the NCAA basketball tournament, and they also sponsor the NIT, who used to be a competitor a few decades ago. The income from the NCAA basketball tournament covers the costs of the participants.

The only income the NCAA derives from the BCS is licensing fees, since they co-own the rights to team logos, etc. per the agreements with NCAA member schools. Here is a quote from another article by the same author mentioned in the previous post:

“In exchange for all this, football provides a pittance to the NCAA. The revenue the national office made from football amounted to $420,000, the total of the licensing fees paid by the 35 bowl games. That’s not even enough to cover the NCAA’s estimated $500,000 loss that the Association takes putting on the FCS tournament.”

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
7:18 pm

@”poor” Richard – your name says it all. Jealousy.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
7:20 pm

Steve Superior
Appreciate the fact you are now an accountant.
Too bad thirty years ago you couldn’t pay a golf
bet at the VCC to Grant and Rodgers for a measly
$50 bucks.
Still waiting on you in the locker room to get back from
your car to get the cash.

5150 UOAD

June 2nd, 2011
7:23 pm

Delbert D
But at UGA they and the GYM DAWGS bring home CHAMPIONSHIPS unlike the Dawg Football team. The teams winning Championships should be paid more than a team with a 6-6 record. Can’tcount bowl games they are not part of the NCAA. No Pay for those games.

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
7:25 pm

@shankit – that’s all you got, a bet 30 years ago? That’s they problem with you Georgia folk, still living in the past. 30 years ago you were national champs and you still think you are.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
7:25 pm

Got a call from the local Union Hall.
They want to represent the trainers who clean up the showers,
replace ol’ cleats and tote the players off the field that Fairley hit
late, also, the cute chicks that wipe the foreheads, and give swigs
of Bulldog Punch to the players out of the same bottle.
They want equal compensation as the players, plus they want a
Union scholarship.

MATHDAWG

June 2nd, 2011
7:27 pm

I’m for having one standard for admission to college for all students, whether or not they are athletes. This will solve most of the problems of “paying so-called student athletes”. Let those who want to make money or need to make money find a minor league team (now is the time for the NFL to stand up) and go hone their athletic skills there. Real universities need to remember that they are academic institutions and be able to compete against other legitimate academic institutions. Sure, the athelets won’t be as big, fast, and strong; but you would actually have a real college competition.

As one who worked, saved, borrowed, and beged for enought to go to college; I don’t have much sympythy for the ones who get a full ride on their ability to play a sport that has nothing to do with a college education.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
7:31 pm

51 – Well, the head coaches at least generally have pay-for-performance stipulated amounts in their contracts. They include reaching a non-acknowledged bowl game and winning an unofficial national championship.

Steve Superior

June 2nd, 2011
7:32 pm

@MathDawg – who is the georgia math team playing this weekend?

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
7:35 pm

Steve Superior
Actually, you still live 40 sum what years ago in the past
when Stanfill sacked your arse, what? I think it was 6 times.
Get over it. Congratulations on the 10 -1 season and the
Heisman award. Who cost you an 11-0 season? You never
got over it.

shankit

June 2nd, 2011
7:43 pm

Steve Superior
That’s not all I’ve got. You don’t want to get into
a shooting match with me about your ethics.
Irregardless, thirty years ago or now, not paying
a golf bet establishes a lack of creditibility for
years to come.

Delbert D.

June 2nd, 2011
7:48 pm

47 years ago young Bill Stanfill won the state championship in the shot put and finished 2nd in the discus. What is really amazing is that 2 years later, Chip Kell set the record in the shot put that still stands.

Gen. Forrest

June 2nd, 2011
8:43 pm

Pay the players???

Ok, I’m cool with that, under one condition — eliminate ALL athletic scholarships, period!!! Why should some dimwit with a 2-digit IQ get a free ride at what is supposed to be a University/Institute of higher learning??? Even without paying the morons, cancel and eliminate all athletic scholarships. Just because you are good at playing a childs game (and ALL collegiate sports are just that — childrens games played with a ball by a bunch of immature and generally intellectually-challenged flunkies who would be riding on a garbage truck for their career if not for their ability at said childs game, but I digress). Easy solution — eliminate all athletic scholarships AND eliminate all athletics other than intermural(sp?) sports period. College is for LEARNING, not for playing ball. If the big dummies want to go play ball, then let them play in a professional minor-league system. They should NEVER be allowed on a college campus if they can’t academically cut it, and they damn sure shouldn’t be taking a free ride, when students who are MUCH smarter and more deserving have to work multiple jobs to attend the same schools and go in debt for the next decade to do it, while Bubba/Herschel/etc go for free because they never bothered learning anything except how to run fast/jump high/violate rules.

Either leave things alone or do away with college athletics completely.

BUZZ 2011

June 2nd, 2011
10:13 pm

I understand Spurrier is dressing his gamecocks as gators when the squad meets
the ” dream team” Dawgs this year………………….rutt-row………………………………..

LakeDawg

June 2nd, 2011
10:56 pm

Just a gambit by Spurrier to deflect attention from his oversigning. He knows his proposal will never see the light of day. And if it does, he he just found a way to make NCAA football a pro league. No need to worry about school are anything like that.

gtjack

June 2nd, 2011
11:06 pm

I can’t believe Saban signed the letter. How will he talk his players into taking a paycut??

Jason

June 2nd, 2011
11:26 pm

Would Title IX even apply here? My understanding is the reason behind it is because schools get away not being subject to labor laws by saying the players are student volunteers and so everyone must be given the same opportunity to volunteer for play-for-scholarship. If the football players start getting paid, that makes them university employees. Labor laws will apply but Title IX should not. The school could eliminate seventy-five scholarships in women’s sports… actually they’d probably be REQUIRED to eliminate those scholarships since men would have a legitimate gripe about so many more scholarships going to women for athletics.

One other consequence would be that schools likely would be required to let women try out for the football team but would not be required to offer them a spot unless equally qualified, just like you wouldn’t be required to hire a particular sex for an accounting position unless one was more qualified than the other.

Of course this is just amateur legal speculation and I could be way off but in general it seems like paying the players would alter the nature of their relationship with the school and have wide reaching effects.

Tide Rising

June 2nd, 2011
11:28 pm

Jeff,

You stated Houston Nutt and Nick Saban are the 2 worst abusers of oversigning in the conference? Not quite. In the Saban era Bama is 6th at worst and depending on this year’s signees probably 7th or 8th in the conference in terms of oversigning. The numbers don’t lie.

Team-by-team look at class size over five-year span
School Conference 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 Total Average
Troy Sun Belt 34 40 33 32 25 164 32.8
Ole Miss SEC 25 37 31 22 30 145 29
Auburn SEC 32 28 29 30 25 144 28.8
Mississippi State SEC 26 27 27 34 24 138 27.6
Kansas State Big 12 17 25 32 33 30 137 27.4
Temple MAC 25 28 26 30 27 136 27.2
Southern Miss C-USA 26 22 27 32 28 135 27
Arkansas SEC 25 31 25 27 26 134 26.8
Kentucky SEC 26 29 20 29 30 134 26.8
Alabama SEC 26 27 32 25 23 133 26.6
Iowa State Big 12 28 25 25 25 30 133 26.6
LSU SEC 29 24 26 26 26 131 26.2
Baylor Big 12 23 28 23 29 28 131 26.2
Tulsa C-USA 25 25 26 31 23 130 26
Oklahoma State Big 12 27 24 27 23 29 130 26
Florida State ACC 25 21 33 20 31 130 26
South Carolina SEC 23 29 22 31 24 129 25.8

In past five years through the 2010 signing class 25 of 120 FBS programs averaged more than 25 signees
That list includes eight of 12 SEC schools and five of current Big 12 teams. AU and Ole Miss are the worst SEC offenders.

The oft criticized Nick Saban, who landed a class of 22 for the class of 2011, is middle of the pack in the SEC in 6th place in terms of oversigning through 2010. After adding in the 2011 numbers for which the tide only took 22 commits Alabama would slip to 8th in the SEC behind LSU and South Carolina in terms of oversigning. The Georgia bulldogs oversigned in the 2011 class with 26 signees- one over the limit.

icedawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:34 pm

Crazy idea. $300 would never be enough. Within the first week they would be crying for more. They already get a university education paid for their athletic abilities. Why don’t they work during the summer and save for fun money like the rest of the students?

Hit A Single

June 2nd, 2011
11:40 pm

Will all athletes get paid or just football players? I can’t even believe this is being discussed, but it is like our society, give me, give me, give me. Most of the ones want money so they can buy their own dope, or get bail money so when they beat up their girlfriend that has already had a kid for them. The kids that are doing the job in the classroom, on the field and the ones representing the university with class aren’t crying for money. Why don’t we tell their families it is their job to provide money for them. Put the responsiblity on the family and everybody learns a lesson.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 2nd, 2011
11:47 pm

Buzz,

To bad they will not be dressed as Tech players so UGA could be guaranteed a win.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 2nd, 2011
11:56 pm

Tide rising,

2 of the 26 signers for 2011, were signers from the class of 2010 and their scholarships were counted against the 2010 total. 24 were from 2011, which means UGA undersigned by 1, if you want to look at it that way. The 2010 signers were in spring classes this year.

Boobie Bowden

June 3rd, 2011
5:36 am

So how much more would it cost Jawga to buy some decent players instead of what they get now?

Get Real

June 3rd, 2011
5:54 am

If everyone is so concerned about paying the players, then separate it completely away from the colleges and form semi-pro teams around the country. Get rid of college football. If they aren’t there for the education but only to play football and get paid, stop pretending and separate it from the colleges. But we all know it will never happen because the colleges would lose the revenue. So, it will continue to become more and more distorted, more and more about the money, less and less about what it originally was meant to be: STUDENT-athletes. The whole thing is a joke. And the biggest joke of all is the NCAA, with its posturing as a “amateur” sports entity. IF the level of corruption (Camgate, Tresselgate, Bushgate, etc.) existed in any other institution, there would be public outcry, Congressional hearings and criminal charges leveled. But the amount of money prvents it from happening. The colleges sold out to the dollar and the train has left the station.

DUH

June 3rd, 2011
6:17 am

better still, have them maintain a decent gpa in order to stay in school. thus making it as it should be STUDENT ATHLETE instead of MINOR LEAGUE FOOTBALL

chazzo

June 3rd, 2011
7:00 am

I don’t have a problem with players being compensated for more than scholarship stuff. They generate a lot of money for the school. I think any stipend, though, should go in escrow until the player earns a degree. If they go pro early, they give up their stipends.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
7:14 am

Chazzo,

What good would a savings account do these kids? They are saying that the kids do not have money for daily expenses, beyond what the scholarship provides. Putting money away for them, will not help them in their present condition.

SCBOY

June 3rd, 2011
7:23 am

You guys just don’t get it. Spurrier was making a dig at the presidents, AD’s, SEC & NCAA officials. If you guys aren’t ballsy enough to do anything, we coaches will. It’s just that simple. He was out to embarrass the do-nothing folks.

David Granger

June 3rd, 2011
7:38 am

And under Title IX, that would mean a university has to pay ALL players in ALL sports, or be in violation of federal regulations. I do think it’s a reasonable policy to allow a scholarship to cover the entire REAL cost of attending…but anything else is not going to fly, I don’t believe.

Susan McGuire

June 3rd, 2011
7:48 am

@ Jason
re: Your 11:26 June 2

“…just like you wouldn’t be required to hire a particular sex for an accounting position unless one was more qualified than the other.”

What federal laws have you been living under? Companies (and universities especially) hire a “particular sex” for all kinds of positions all the time…despite the fact that the people who DON’T get hired may be more qualified than the people who DO, in many cases.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
8:04 am

Susan,

I know that for a fact. It happened to me because I was not a female or the right race . I had 19 years in the field and had done a great deal in that field, but I was denied a job. It is the way that life is.

mike

June 3rd, 2011
8:05 am

They need to give these student athletes some sort of payment for all the money generated by the talents of these students. It is funny how someone else want to dictate and define what another’s talent is worth. Everybody making millions off these kids and they can’t sell a jersey for 20 bucks. Really just another form of modern servitude.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
8:14 am

Mike,

Do you make the jersey price standard for all athletes? Would a Cam Newton jersey sell for 20 bucks along with an Ealey one. Maybe you could have the university set up a store and sell these items and then divide it all up amongst all of the players that had items, with their names/numbers on them. Otherwise, a more popular athlete is going to get a bunch more for his jersey than say a less known one, and then what you have is what occurred at Ohio State. I will bet you that a few of the OSU players that did not do what Pryor and a few others did, are more than a little more resentful towards him and the others.

Scott

June 3rd, 2011
8:17 am

Come on people. Oh wait these are football people. This is due to the schools putting all this money into an athelete only to have them leave early and “go pro”. Most starting football players at Div II and above ( I KNOW MANY ) don’t want for ANYTHING already. They are paired with “host boosters” who take care of these “needs”. This is on top of someone taking care of setting up their classes, the dinning card they are handed, athletic dorms seperate from the common student population and on and on and on. This is pure and simple MONEY GREED by all those promoting who want more in their pockets in the end.

Hit A Single

June 3rd, 2011
8:27 am

No Mike why doesn’t the NCAA allow more scholarships in college baseball if all this money is out there. Baseball graduation rates are a hell of alot higher than football. You talk about discrimination. And yes, baseball does generated money. Sometimes I don’t think the NCAA wants it to get any bigger and take some of the limelight away from football and basketball. Got off the subject alittle,but just venting. Maybe give all athletes 25 to 30 dollars a week, but I mean all athletes. But this wouldn’t stop the corruption that you have in basketball and football. Crazy boosters will make sure it doesn’t stop. Most football players get in school when other students can’t. Oh yes those formulas to get them in are a joke. What an education cost now days they are getting plenty.

Hit A Single

June 3rd, 2011
8:32 am

Oh yea if these kids don’t have money, where are all the tattoos coming from? Do we have a bunch of Ohio States? Are they free? Where are the cell phones coming from? Are they free? It is all about priorities. These kids are well taken care of.

USMC2841

June 3rd, 2011
8:37 am

I recommend giving athlete-students a bonus upon graduation. This will help with the dismal graduation rate that most of these universities have. More talented players will still leave early for the draft but by giving the bonus upon graduation you keep marginal players from entering the draft early and then washing out. If a player isn’t good enough to go high in the draft they still have a shot at making in the NFL but will also have a college education to fall back on if it doesn’t work out.

USMC2841

June 3rd, 2011
8:39 am

I’m not sure Terrell Pryor is ready to take such a drastic pay cut.

dansfae

June 3rd, 2011
8:49 am

They do get paid. They get a free education and a life.

FSN

June 3rd, 2011
8:53 am

Jeff, why are you bashing Spurrier? At least his “little petition” is a start…I haven’t seen anyone else in college football actually bring an idea to the table. Where is Richt’s proposal? If you don’t like paying the players $300 per game, fine…so how would you do it? Spurrier is showing guts by putting something out there.

You also failed to mention that he put his money where his mouth is…his idea to fund this program is to take it from the coaches’ salary. Why aren’t you applauding Spurrier for admitting coaches make too much money and offering to give it to players? I haven’t seen your buddy Richt make any comments on that subject.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
8:55 am

USMC,

That idea has some merit for the true student/athlete that will not be going to the Pros. Doubt it would slow down the 3 and out guys in football though, since once they decide to go pro., their agent gives them probably more money up front than the university could afford. Might be a good idea though for the kid that sticks around 4 years, isn’t going to be a Pro. and has helped make millions for the university.

Whiskey Breath

June 3rd, 2011
9:13 am

” Coach CMR put it best”
CMR wouldn’t be your favorite coach, would he? Finebaum was right about the local media.
Schultz I realize you have a daily formula, but I still can’t figure how you keep your job. I guess the formula has to do with pumping CMR. Keep it that way, CMR will keep Ga down.

Rad Penties

June 3rd, 2011
9:15 am

Fire Richt now.

beenthere

June 3rd, 2011
9:22 am

As a former SEC player, I give Spurrier credit for putting the issue on the table.The idea that a free education, room and food is all that an athlete deserves sounds fair, however, the sacrafices required to become a major collecge football player is no joke. The damage done to the bodies of these athletes is no joke. At the age of 56, I have had back surgery, elbow surgery and ankle surgery, all due to injuries sustained as a college football player. Those cost all fell on me and my family. The idea that a fooballplayer should entertain thousands on a saturday evening, to return to his dorm room to eat spam and crackers is not fair, either.

BYRDDAWG

June 3rd, 2011
9:26 am

Rad , it’s toooooo early to be drinkin dude!!!!

Square Peg

June 3rd, 2011
9:31 am

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7592273.html

Enough is e-f-ing-nuff.

Those thugs should do serious jail time. Patti LaBelle (she’s a singer, I believe, but does anyone buy her records? Does anyone know what kind of music she sings? Does anyone care?)
She should be broke by the time King gets his 2/3 cut and the lawyers get their 1/3.

That’s the scenario that’s in my prayers today, at least.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
9:37 am

OK Square peg, now what does the article that so upsets you have to do with colleges paying players? You got me a little confused here into how this all ties in.

Tossed Salad

June 3rd, 2011
10:13 am

I question the intelligence of any adult who offers his signature on a crumpled piece of paper regardless of what it reads.

Saban
Miles
Nutt
Dooley
Muschamp

I ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed but I will gladly take an I.Q. test against any of you.

Buckeye

June 3rd, 2011
10:34 am

Hey Jeff,

See what you can do to have Chip Towers unblock me. Not right that I cannot comment on football, SEC, oversigning, the Tressel sitiation, etc.

Peace

Covers Dixie like the Dew

June 3rd, 2011
10:52 am

……. . . . Gotta Beat Boise State in the GEORGIA Dome.

BYRDDAWG

June 3rd, 2011
11:02 am

Yes Jeff please get Chip to let the columbus nut back on…….I need daily updates on Clarett & Schlichter’s prison cell happenings!!!! LOL

Buckeye

June 3rd, 2011
11:39 am

byrddog,

Happen to have a Georgia address, byrddog. Pay Georgia taxes.

Clarett is not is prison. Schlichter’s in deep trouble this time. So there. There’s your update

Have a nice day.

Beano Cook Fan Club

June 3rd, 2011
11:45 am

The University of Southern California and The Ohio State University just made some mistakes like all of us.

AltamahaDawg

June 3rd, 2011
11:55 am

As a proud former female athlete I take exception to RxDawg’s comments.

Hit A Single

June 3rd, 2011
12:00 pm

I really feel for these college football players. What a joke? There are many kids that would love to play for the love of Saturday afternoons and the game. I would like to know how many college football players eat spam after a game. If they do it is because they want it.

Billsen

June 3rd, 2011
12:31 pm

When I was in college at USC, I volunteered at the campus radio station, WUSC-FM. After a year, I was the promotions director. I got a stipend for my volunteer work. I think it was like $100 a month, and that was in 1988. I see little difference in what Spurrier is proposing.

Fan

June 3rd, 2011
12:34 pm

I would be in favor of compensating players for their athletic performance upon GRADUATION. You could put a system together to keep track of number of games participated in, or anything along those lines, but make the payment when they GRADUATE – so that the pay system doesn’t loose sight of the fact that this is COLLEGE athletics, and a COLLEGE, after all, is an institute of education, not merely a sports factory.

It’s clear that the NCAA serves as the minor league for the NBA and NFL …. and minor league baseball players get paid … why not minor league football and basketball players, or minor league baseball players that choose to compete in the minor league that includes and educational opportunity along with the baseball experience?

DawgByte

June 3rd, 2011
12:39 pm

Jeff Ding-Dong Schultz -

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!! You’re either going to pay them a stipens above and beyond the benefits outlined in their scholarship, or you’re not. What you propose is as absurd as what VISOR BOY has put on the table. What the pro-pay tards don’t get is that the second you provide a cash stipens you’re opening up Padora’s Box that will be unenforceable and susceptible to MASSIVE FRAUD. The NCAA Compliance Dept. is already overtaxed and doing a poor job, not to mention head coaches and their staff’s ability to reign in 18 year olds who have a proclivity for f’ing things up. If you introduce a scheme like you’re proposing the sky’s the limit on the amount of abuse that will take place. Boosters will be setting up offshore accounts for players, gifts will flow and the dollar amount however humble it starts out will grow exponentially over time, with NO WAY to go backwards.

Wake-up people, we’re talking about college student athletes here – no more, no less.

Tell the truth

June 3rd, 2011
1:02 pm

AltamahaDawg You can ignore that fella- anyone who can say with a straight face today that we have too much regulation has no idea what is happening in today’s world. After Enron, the S&L scandal, Wall Street’s
greed that almost took the country down, the peanut butter fiasco in Ga, the failure of the SEC to do it’s job, etc, etc.

Tell the truth

June 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

So Spurrier wants to call his charges “performers”; I thought they were student athletes??? Well if Rush Limberger can get away with that I guess others can also. You know anything to avoid taking responsibility for what you do and what you say.

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6:11 pm

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It Ain't Rocket Science

June 4th, 2011
10:07 am

FSN,

Do you seriously think that coaches dipping into their own pay to pay their players would work? What is to prevent some coach, who might not want to play on a level playing field, from say, getting some extra money from a booster(s) and also giving that to the player. How would you control this to insure it doesn’t happen. Of course, I am not saying that we have any coaches in the SEC that would ever stoop to insuring players get some extra dough, even under the present rules.

Pay it Up

June 5th, 2011
1:53 pm

The players should get a lot more than $300 per month. they make millions for universities and should get at least $1,000 each month and probably more.

dekalb fan

June 8th, 2011
3:10 pm

There are several ACADEMIC scholarships that provide the student a monthly stipend and plane trips home if applicable. The athletic scholarship can be changed to include a stipend. NCAA rules prohibit atheltes from working so they should receive a stipend of some kind.

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