Poll time: What would you think of Smith-for-Bynum deal?

Artest is a bigger loser than Josh Smith….thats saying something.

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That trade is re-donkulous… Lakers wouldn’t take such a down grade. Bad enough they’re replacing Phil w/ Mike Brown

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I would have to say no just because of Bynum’s injury issues. He has not played a complete season. A big man with injury issues is not the way to go. Plus having Artest jack ill advised shots versus Smith’s ill advised shots, it seems like a bit of a wash to me.

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We should have package Smith to Denver along with the two first rounders for Carmelo when we had a chance last year..

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If that happens how do we unload JJ ?

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Nope, that wont happen, if ASG will be still be owning team, they will not go into luxuxy tax land with Artest and Bynum contracts, besides if I was going to trade Josh Smith, it will be atleast a superstar (Chris Paul/DWill) or multi-picks

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no! simple decision.

bynum has way too many health issues to be expected to remain upright for a full season much less several to offset the loss of josh.

artest would be a disaster here, if phil and kobe couldnt keep him interested and in line why would we expect the good ron ron?

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DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why is everyone jumping on j-smoove? The highest paid player in the league (joe johnson) plays no defense, don’t rebound, oh and yea he disappears in the playoffs. so you tell me where the hawks problems lie. #5 over #2 any day.

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Why doesn’t anyone think marvin williams need to go? Over-rated and a bench player at best.

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For as much as I think the Hawks need a big.And for as much as I think JSmith is wasting the talent he’s been blessed with,I don’t think this trade makes sense for a couple of reasons 1)Bynum is injury prone & 2)is not the dominant consistant presence we need. More often than not when he is healthy he is more of a compliment piece and unless we find more offense he will just block up space and watch like the others. And for the price tag he would command I don’t think he’s worth it. How bout package JSmith with a draft pick or another player to move up and get a post player,price would be right and we would be able to develop him. jmo

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Horford for bogut

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I think Al Horford will improve and get better over time. We now know that the Hawks are the third best team in the NBA behind Dallas and Miami. All the Hawks have to do to pass those two clubs is acquire a good shooter of the midrange jumpshot: someone like Rashad Lewis, J.R. Smith or Brandon Roy. Trade either Josh Smith for either of those 3 guys and the hawks should be on their way to hoisting the GOLD TROPHY!

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Oh and I forgot the Lakers and Knicks

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! But the Hawks will probably do it anyway

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Ok, so we trade a still young PF for an older version on J.R Rider (Ron Artest) when it comes to attitude and then lets get the second coming of Sam Perkins (Bynum). Since we decided to trade Kirk away then we would have only one true PG on the team.

Caz,
What player do you see in this year’s draft that’s going to replace what Josh Smith can do?

Lucky Bucky,
Smith for Melo? Our problem was our team wasn’t tough on offense or defense and Melo isn’t a tough guy. He could score but defense is not something he tries. You see how well the Nuggets played after they traded him.

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He** no! Bynum has not played more than like 60 games in a season! And Artest don’t even start with me! I want Tyson Chandler for Smith or someone of his likeness! Get me Marc Gasol or something! I don’t want over-paid Lakers trash in Atlanta!

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Go figure finally found PG to push the ball now get rid of the guy who can run with him, because somehow at end of shot clock joe money just kicked it out to him
16-8 best ya get from al da tweener who is to stiff to defend PFs (boozer looked all NBA)

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I can think of at least 100 players I’d rather have than Gilbert Arenas.

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Right on Don, Right on! All the Josh haters will see.

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BAD IDEA.. .. Artest and Bynum are two troublesome men… Who needs their bad attitudes..that will make the whole team look bad…
behind Bynum last performance… he doesn’t need to be playing baseketball anymore… he needs to be home thinking about the awful performance and bad impression he left on everyone

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I read recently that Josh Smith will be the hottest commodity for teams seeking trades over the summer.Why is that? Could NBA execs know more than fair weather Atlanta fans? Billy Knight sure as heck knew more than the “expert” Jay Bilas when it came to Josh.People, the problem players with the Hawks are the ones that no other teams want.They have the highest paid plyer in the NBA and nobody else wants him.If Lebron James was on the trade block right now would there be takers? Guess what Joe Johnson makes more money!! That is not Josh Smith’s fault..

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Artest, Odom and Bynum are all hoodlems and bullies for the Lakers. Artest is a cheap shot artist from years past. Artest has influenced Bynum and Odom to be dirty players like he is. I think David Stern should have kicked Artest, Bynum and Odom out of the league for their cheap shots against the Mavericks. None of those three guys should ever be allowed back in an NBA uniform again.

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ByteMe, I raise you an octet. Joe is not movable plan and simple he is Atl’s Allan Houston. Look at the number they are very similar. I blame his contract on the current owners. There desire to sell the team caused them to make a bone head decision even if it means years of lost championship dreams. Last summer was the year to build for the future instead they knew the sell of the team was likely, rather than risk losing value they sign Joe. Not to Win but to make the team attractive for potential buyers. Until we move Joe we will forever exit in the 2nd round.

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Is Bynum ever healthy?

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Look, the main attribute the Hawks lack as a team is rebounding – particularly offensive rebounding. Any trade of Josh Smith needs to bring back tough offensive rebounder and all-around cohesive player.

We not trade Josh Smith for anything short of Kevin Love.

You may think, well why would Minnesota do that? They need a dynamic, exciting player. David Kahn needs the team to get better now or he will probably be out of a job soon. Love wants to win, he’ll be a restricted free agent. There’s no way he’s going to re-sign with Minnesota. The T-wolves will be desperate to move Love to get some assets back rather than risk him walking next year and getting nothing back. It’s kind of like the Carmelo-Nuggets situation, albeit on a much smaller scale.

Who could the T-wolves get back that could better suit their immediate needs than Josh Smith, plus represent a somewhat even value for Love. Frankly, Rick Sund should be selling Smith by pointing to a guy like Zach Randolph. “Look what kind of dominant force he turned into once we found the right team fit, the same can happen for J Smoove, he just needs the right fit”.

I don’t know if the T-wolves would be a good fit for Josh or not. What I do know is that if we are going to trade Smith at all, there’s no one I’d rather the Hawks get back than Kevin Love. It just makes too much sense. Trading away a great asset for a Bynum and Artest would be a completely foolish idea.

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everyone saying just trade for howard why would he do that he would just come here if he wanted cause his contract will be up in 012 But I want to see Howard go to the thunder lmao sorry hawks fans

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What do you guys think of DeAndre Jordan from the Clippers. Very long and Athletic. Could we go after him perhaps?

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You’d have to be borderline stupid to decline this trade … with that said, the Lakers would never offer it.

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By the way there is a video on youtube with him dunking on our beloved Al

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CJ: I agree with you. Bynum’s cheap shot on Barea was bush league according to broadcaster mike terico and it was something that could have injured and paralyzed Barea for life. If I were Barea, I would NOT HAVE ACCEPTED BYNUMS APOLOGY. The apology was not sincere and it was done to save face. I think that ALL THREE laker dirty players, Bynum, Odum and Artest should be kicked out of the league and BANNED FROM THE NBA FOR LIFE. That is what I think of Bynum and his apology, Artest and Odom.

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“Not a chance @captainamerica. Arenas is CRAP and nobody will take on JJ’s Koncak….I mean contract”

If the Hawks make the trade captainamerica suggested — Joe and Al for Dwight and Arenas — Arenas would be acquired not for his dwindling abilities but because agreeing to take on his contract would be the tax the Hawks would have to pay to trade two good but not great players for a superstar (as opposed to having to give up multiple first round picks for example). If they do that, they would roll with a core of Teague-Smoove-Dwight, and hope the new CBA has a provision for buying out players (which it almost certainly will). That’s not a bad gamble in my opinion (of course it’s not my money being sunk into Agent Zero).

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It makes me laugh to see some people asking for a trade for Dwight Howard…no way would he come here and play…lol

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“What I do know is that if we are going to trade Smith at all, there’s no one I’d rather the Hawks get back than Kevin Love”

I guess you enjoy watching opponents drive down the lane against the Hawks and dunk with no resistance. A Love-Horford front court would be a defensive disaster. Love needs to be playing next to a defensive presence at center, someone like Bynum or Dwight, not a center who wants to play power forward and can’t/won’t play help defense.

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Terrible move for Bynum, he stays hurt and is a nut case as shown in the last play-off game. Whyt let the Lakers make room for Dwight Howard, the Hawks should be the team making a move for him. Bring D Howard back home. trade Smith or Horford and hope they will take Mavin and bring him back home.

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Dear AJC:

Why are my comments no longer appearing on the site? My previous comments have had no profanity or offensive language in them at all, yet they are not appearing. Why is this?

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Such a deal would work better for the Lakers than the Hawks.
We would get their bad karma guys.
This won’t fly.

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No. Take it easy on the “trade Josh” articles. Doesn’t the entire team take ill-advised shots? That’s a coaching problem.

I’m guessing LD was out sick the day that Woody figured out how to limit Josh’s 3PTs. DASG just needs to cough it up for a decent/established HC.

And besides, who’s gonna guard the paint? Bynum’s shot blocking ability is severely limited by the suit he always seems to be wearing.

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Pay for Dwight Howard. Trade smith for pieces to the puzzle.

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@bish,

If we want Dwight for next season it will take a trade, If we want him the season after when he is a free agent it will still take a sign and trade. Dwight will want the MAX contract he can get and he deserves it.

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No way! Bynum has ongoing health issues seemingly every year. This is his first offseason not needing some type of precedure. Also Bynum delayed surgery last offseason, thus delaying his season this year. Josh is way to talented to make this move for guy whose knee could go at anytime, and for the pri madonna in Artest.

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Howard is the only upgrade that can get us to the promised land.
Everything else is just a minor upgrade at best and 2nd round exit again.

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MJC: the AJC blog for some strange reason filters the word “suolucidir” read backwards. I see you have a similar word at the beginning of your post.

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More concerned with Al developing a low post game rather than banging for 10 second and going nowhere. Once Al developed and perfect his low post game, Joe and Jamal (if he’s here) hit some shots (especially in the playoffs) they will be fine. There’s nothing wrong with the team, maybe coach sucks but to start trading would be a bad move.

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Josh is not the one that shrinks, Al does. Josh is not the one intimidated, Al is. Josh is the one that brings full energy and heart to the court, Al don’t. Since Al has been annointed all-star and all-NBA (third team albeit), Trade Al for all booty (Bynum and S.Brown) with Marvin.

Josh should NOT BE TRADED.

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trading josh would be plain stupid…. we lose almost our whole defense… we need to trade marvin williams and horford 2nd round pick for andrew bogut,john salmons …then sign thad..young(formet gt player) for the small forward posititon..and sign a few hard nosed defenders and shooter to come off the bench…

imagaine.. teague,johnson, young, smith,bogut
bench – kirk,sign player,wilkins,sign player,zaza

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I live in l.a. Bynum doesn’t have “it”

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No, no, NO!!!!!!!!

For as much as I don’t like Josh Smith’s jump shots at times, he is much better for the Hawks that the overpaid, underachieving Joe Johnson.

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Dwight Howard is not coming to the hawks if Josh Smith is not here. which is the only reason he would even think about trading for us in the first place. Think folks..

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Josh Smith sucks! NO WAY the Lakers will trade for this guy. The always ‘potential’ tag is getting real old these days in the NBA. I am a guy with a 2 inch vertical but I still even at 46 have a better outside shot than Josh Smith. Nothing but ‘Net’ is my monkier…

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We don’t want Bynum. He is a thug. Refs are going to cut him no slack next season and he has that suspension coming. We want our Hawks. We are finally proud of OUR team again. The last game at PHillips all you heard was ATL, ATL, ATL! We need better coaching. We love our players. GO HAWKS!!!

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Atlanta hawks need to make a trade for Dwight Howard and stop making all these other stupid trade rumors I’m hearing about.

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Josh, Marvin,Hinnie for Dwight Howard!!!!!!

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Wow @ATLMAN86,Come down this is just friendly speculation on what we think could work, not facts.A str8 up trade with chandler or gasol in my OPINION will not be a fair trade for ATL.If possible,i would trade jj(Not worth his contract)and marvin gorilla booty williams for maybe D.williams(Who we suppose to have drafted in the first place)from the nets.Reason why is because jersey have deep pockets and could afford jj and m.williams contract.Then we can sign D.williams who would deserve jj’s contract.Well im just saying,this is all a speculation of dreams anyway.Like i said,i would get rid of jj before j.smith anyday.

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@Jay Now that I could see. Think of Dwight with either Al or Josh. That’s not gonna happen though. Orlando doesn’t want to have to face him all season. The only way Orlando trades Dwight, will be a team out West. You can beat on that. The same Way the only way the Hawks trade Josh, it would be a team out West.

If the Lakers make the call to the Hawks for Josh it will be to lure Dwight to LA, to play alongside his lifetime friend.

But even if they want Josh, A trade with Orlando would have to include Bynum to Orlando. So Atlanta would be left out in the cold.

The Lakers want Dwight and Orlando is not gonna give him up, unless they get Bynum. We don’t want Artest or Gasol.

We have youth on our side and enough big men on our roster to where we don’t need to trade for one. So given up a gifted player like Josh Smith, would be the 2nd most dumbest move since the Dominique trade. The 1st being us taking Marvin. lol

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Um what about trading Joe Johnson? How about that huh? Can he be traded yes! Will he be traded that is up to the ASG and all the teams vying for his services.

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*bet

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@Najeh:

I have been using that word frequently to describe some of the trade proposals people make on here. That might explain it.

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I would do this deal in a heartbeat. Even if Artest we get nothing from Artest and have to bench or cut him, that’s still a good deal based on talent alone.

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Never happen. The Lakers are after a superstar that would be Dwight. Bynum will be expendable to the trade bait for Dwight. Bynum will be in Orlando and Orlando will have a second round and maybe with cash, a future first round pick. Hawks: will have nothing. Why? For one the Hawks need to sell tickets and that’s the bottom line. Josh will sell tickets-I still believe that a coaching change minus M.W. and a couple of free agent acquisitions will bring the Hawks a “fresh paint” look and feel in the 2011-12 seasons without all of the shuffling of different players in and out of Atlanta. Management should let go of L.D. in training. He had his chance as a manager-trainee. L.D.’s grade as for being a rookie coach for the Hawk season and playoffs 2010-11: he earned a C, and I curved this grade. To Hawks management: I graded them a C-, for being cheap and lazy in their coaching search, and spending too much money on one single slightly above average player like J.J. From now on, stop being so cheap and finally, spend some $$ on hiring a proven NBA coach that will get these fans excited. Interview Fratello, Brown, Popovich, etc. L.D.’s contract was worth 1.3M which expires in 2012. I say buy out the remainder of that cheap contract, and be prepared to negotiate spending about 5.0M on a quality coach that players respect and have a proven track record. Maybe that can only happen with new ownership, but it has to happen. A good coach will know how to play the cards he’s dealt. I hope it will go in that direction. Players aren’t stupid: superstar players want to come to a team with a superstar coach. Management: you can’t be cheap with your selection of coach and offer a fat $ contract like J.J. without retribution. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

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Jeff Schultz

Are you going to Bash Josh Smith all season?The blog you should be making is trading Joe Johson to Cleveland for that # 4 Pick.
Josh Smith is not going anywhere as long as we have these owners.They absolutely love this man.
Mr.Wilkins not going to let the hawks do to Smith what they did to him!
Ya heard it first here

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Why don’t we gather up everything that isn’t bolted to the floor except our starting 4 (5 sans Smith), throw in our 1st round draft pick the next 3 years, and go after Dwight Howard

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@55 Second of all….

There is no one out there better than who we have. People are saying Al is a True power forward because of his height.

Magic Johnson was as 6′9 PG. Owe so I guess he wasn’t a True PG. lol Al is still one of the best centers in the league playing out of position. We saw him play PF in the Bulls series and it seemed as if he settled for jumpers the whole time.

We need Al and Josh in the paint. They still cause 90% of the teams in this league serious problems. For the other 10% we have enough big men on our roster to cause them problems. So now it comes down to coaching and utilizing what we have.

This team has not yet reached it’s peak.

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The Hawks should actually trade Smith and Williams for Andrew Bynum and Ron Artest. I think they should keep Hinrich. Also, they should do a sign and trade with Jamal Crawford, and ship him ,zaza pachulia , and pape sy to washington for Javel McGee and Jordan Crawford and 2nd round draft pick.

potential brusier lineup:

C- Andrew Bynum
PF – Al Horford
SF – Ron Artest
SG – Joe Johnson
PG – Jeff Teague

BENCH
PG – HINRICH
SG – JORDAN CRAWFORD
SF – DAMIEN WILKINS
C – JAVEL MCGEE
C – JASON COLLINS
C – HILTON ARMSTRONG

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Sure, How about Danny Manning and Jon Koncak in the mix also!!Bynum will NEVER be healthy.

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Why dont we just trade Josh and sign Howard ourselves?

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In a heartbeat!

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Glad most of yall aren’t GMs. Bring Dwight Howard home!!! Horford and Hinrich for Dwight or Horford and M. Williams for Dwight.
Maybe I’m biased because I’m from here, but how great would it be if Howard and Smith led us to a championship? What team could stop Teague and Johnson up top AND Howard and Smith down low? Its not possible! So Schultz, talk to whoever you need to talk with and lets make that happen!

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This is a stupid idea for one reason:

Josh was not the problem (or at least not the only problem)with the team.

To win a championship the Hawks need better perimeter defense, rebounding, and to move J.J. to the 3 which will be less of a defensive drain on a what is already a pretty good defender.

This all gets accomplished by trading Josh (sorry I love you buddy) to the Clips for Kaman. Now you can move J.J., insert Hinrich and Teague and suddenly have a top tier defensive club with versatile offense. Keep Crawford with that and we will have bench to boot.

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What about Brendan Haywood? He’s a starter on the bench in Dallas. I heard he wasn’t happy when Chandler came over.

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Starting Lineup:
PG Teague
SG Hinrich
SF Johnson
PF Horford
C Bynum

6th Man Jr Smith( wants to be in another place)
Role Zaza
Bench Wilkins( Good Defender)
Bench Collins
Role Williams9 (Rebounder) but sucks offensively

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Starting Lineup:
PG Teague
SG Hinrich
SF Johnson
PF Horford
C Bynum

6th Man Jr Smith( wants to be in another place)
Role Zaza
Bench Wilkins( Good Defender)
Bench Collins
Role Williams (Rebounder) but sucks offensively

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Lets keep it real folks. The Hawks screwed up when they resigned JJ for the max. JJ is making more money than Wade, Bosh, and Lebron.Go figure!! Joe cant even get his own shot. You can not build a team around JJ . The only way the Lakers will trade Bynum is for Howard and future considerations. You can not build a team around JJ

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Who thinks up these idiotic Q’s. wish I had a job like that,whew…

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Do it already!!!!! Josh is a locker room cancer and it’s obvious everyone except the fans are afraid to tell him to stop shooting 3’s!!!!

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Dont trade for Bynum! Bynum is third part of the Lakers gang of thugs. Artest, Odum and Bynum are the lakers gang of bandits and thugs and they are also SORE LOSERS. First is was Artest who collared Berrea. Then after Artest got suspended, Bynum and Odum continued Artests thuggery when Odem clobbered Dirk Norwinski with a forearm to the shoulder and then Bynum did the same thing to Berrea. These 3 thugs should be part of street gangs instead of masquerading as lakers.

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Make this trade, ASAP! The hawks need big time talent—the mediocre players they have now will not win anything.

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Also newsflash – there is a salary cap in the NBA, which means Joe Johnson will not be TRADED EVER

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There’s no way I’d even give thought to trading anyone to the Lakers for a 7′ injury prone punk like Bynum. And what idiot suggested we add Artest? I’d insist on MBarnes over Artest any day. The most logical trade suggestion would involve talking with the Clippers.

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Heck no!!!!! What does Bynum bring to the table? His dirty play does not need to come to Atlanta, Plus he is not healthy enough to play a full season. Sports Lady, Are you looking at the same games as we are? Josh think he is a all around player..ie shooting 3’s, long range jumpers… You name it. Josh has reached his peek and need to be shipped out of Atlanta. If Josh learn what works for him he would be a better player than he is now. He needs to play within his game and not play outside his game. I’m not hating on Josh, I’m stating facts..

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Joey1, Not going to happen(d.howard) Atlanta can’t afford Howard with the money they paid J.J.

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Three Team Trade – Lakers, Magic and Hawks -

Lakers get – J. Smoove, H. Tugolou
Magic get – A. Bynum, Marvin Williams
Hawks get – Dwight Howard, Derek Fisher

1st Game Lineup
PG – J. Teague
SG – K. Heinreich
SF – J. Johnson
PF – A. Horford
C – D. Howard

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I heard I was being traded to Cleveland for a Craig Ehlo jersey.

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Smith to the Clips for their center, whose name I can never remember, would be a good deal.

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The Hawks won’t be anywhere as good as they were this year if they dump Josh Smith.

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Josh Smith is one of the only Hawks that plays with heart. Sometimes he gets down and hist inspirational power does affect the whole team then down. But one other player has definitely reached a plateau, is completely uninspirational and consistently fails when we need him the most. Trade Joe, use his value in others eyes and eat some of the cost if we have to.

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I feel the Hawks should trade for Lou Hudson or Spud Webb. If they play their cards right, they might could get Kareem Abdul Jabar.

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Hey, trade Nique to the Clippers for me! I am a budding star, but Nique is old and his contract is expiring. I know you guys are in first place and playing well, but I promise this will work out!

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Josh Smith is a good basketball player, but with the right coaching, he has the potential to be dominant. He is too tall and too big not to be dominant. At 6′10 and about 260lbs, he can dominate ALL power forwards with the right coaching. I saw in the playoffs that Josh was finally driving to the basket. Everytime he did it, he made the shot, went to the free throw line, or both. If he works on that in the offseason, no one will be able to guard him. I wish we could get a true center, but Joe Johnson was paid that ridiculous amount of money. Hopefully the people at the top can work something out.

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I don’t think we should trade Josh, but if we do – get Kevin Love! We need rebounds.

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Shultz, if you are serious about improving the Hawks…THEN figure out a trade scenario to move JJ…can you imagine being stuck with JJ, Artest, and Bynum contract…GEEEEEEEZ!!!

WHOS GOING TO BLOCK SHOTS…when Bynum knees needs a couple months off…which has happen a lot in his NBA career…hmmmmm.

I guess watching Yao suffer through his debilitating injuries…isn’t enough to warrant caution…in Bynum case…Heck, as long as we move Josh…what tha heeeell…no ulterior motive in this blog. lol

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Were you guys talking about trading me? I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of the dump truck dropping a load of money on my front lawn.

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yeah, let’s trade our best player for a center with bad knees and a mental case who is liable to start pummeling somebody in the stands.

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@Joe Johnson

whew, I guess I’m safe even though a musclebound Josh Smith outperformed me and took my starting job in the playoffs.

Neither of us are good 3s but at least u punish guys like Keith Bogans when they guard you!
Oh and thanks Josh for not saying the only way to get rid of me and bring back size is to package me with Horford.
You know I was selected over Chris Paul and Deron Williams right? I’m a starter in this league just at the 2. Too bad the franchise is blind and thinks 14 points on 12 shots and pedestrian wing defense next to undersized big men is key to a contender

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Not willing to trade a young Josh for an old Artest either. Bynum intrigues me but injury history makes me wary. Maybe his stock dropped a little after cheap shot and you can make deal that finally benefits the Hawks instead of the other team for a change. You’re going to need a better SG than Kirk. Starting SG? Come on now. That’s not championship thinking.

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Josh Smith is still very young and we seen that when he plays ” his game ” he is pretty much a monster…… Were as AB is often Injuried….. I would much rather have smoove than Bynum… BUT if we can trade JJ for the lakers water boy. I would do that trade in a minute

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@rufus you do know that smith is a lefty right?

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NO, Andrew Bynum is a bum and a dirty player and a douche. As a Laker fan 1st and a Hawks fan 2nd I think that the Lakers should have just released him the day after that cheap shot on Barea. If Bynum becomes a Hawk then i am done with them.

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“@rufus you do know that smith is a lefty right?”

rufus srsly? Seems like your using uninformed cliches.
Josh Smith said he is willing to play the 3 but that its controversial because that means he’s saying reshape the roster (odd man out, Marvin)
yet Horford can say the banging is wearing him down.
Josh put on 15 pounds of muscle and had knee inuries this year and we get mad when he tries to take a leadership role as a 6′8 small forward playing power forward.

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Smith or Horford for Bynum, Bogut. Smith or Horford to the Twolves for the #2 pick and a filler. Smith or Horford to the Cavs for Varaejo and the #4 pick, then trade the #4 pick, 2011-12 2nd rd pick, and 2012-13 1st rd pick to the Twolves for #2 pick and take Derrick Williams. Smith or Horford can go is the point as long as we get what we want in return.

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I don’t want to trade Josh Smith, I just want him to play the way he’s supposed to all the time.

When they posted him up and ran the offense thru him, things seemed to be more fluid and successful. they got better shots and were in better rebounding position. When he shoots outside jumpshots, JJ, Teague, AND Horford are all at least 15 feet away from the basket. That equals no rebound.

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Horford for Bogut is good but

Derrick Williams could very well be Michael Beasley part two. He is longer and heavier and taller though so we will have to see. But you do realize you’re advocating building around Derrick Williams at the 4/5 because if we trade Smith/Horford for him. We are not getting PF/C defenders.

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Josh would be an allstar if he leaves the A. Joe should have went to Chi.

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BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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If you dont think Artest and Bynum are DIRTY PLAYERS, ask Berrea. First Artest collared Berrea with TWO SECONDS LEFT IN THE GAME. WHAT FOR? Artest wanted to show everyone he was a tough guy. Bynum saw that and decided, hey that’s cool, I’m going to do it too. Only when I do it, I will drive my forearm into Berras chest. Berrea could have been paralyzed for life and could have ended up in a wheelchair. I think Berrea should sue Bynum, Artest, the Lakers organization and the NBA for THUGGERY.

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That’s what media and sadly even coaches fail to realize Josh can only post up small players.

He’s billed at 6′9 like wrestlers to make him seem like a traditional power forward but he’s not.
intimidator. He had no business guarding Joakim Noah.

And on the other side Noah guarded Lebron last night. How did Lebron beat him? Jump shots.
Smith Lebron and Carmelo have almost the exact same measurements. We have a special player and are telling Smith to become Dirk Nowitzki.
He really should lose weight and try to be a speed demon hustle player like Dennis Rodman or Shawn Marion.
Can you imagine Pat Riley or the Suns telling Shawn Marion (when he was with them) to pack on weight like Hawks have Smith do?
Hawks are completely inept. They let the media tell them that because Al Horford is a 2nd team center he is a cornerstone. Because he is 6′10 he can be Blake Griffin at power forward. Yet they let the media tell them that Smith cannot play the 3 because they just nullify Turkoglu with it and we even beat Miami with him there.
All the while he was playing at 245. Carmelo is 236 and only half an inch shorter. You wonder why Smith doesn’t block 3 shots per game anymore. Because he’s morphing into a center b4 your very eyes.

Trade him to Dallas, or LAC, or heck even LAL. They have size to play him at the 3.
Knowing the Hawks they’ll probably trade Horford to OKC for Perkins and play Marvin at the 4 and tell Josh he’s the SF pass to Marvin and let him go to work against KG.
lol

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Trade JJ and Jamal (through a sign and trade) to Chi for Deng and Noah. The Bulls have alot of cap room. Bulls get a 2nd and a 3rd scorer that they need to compliment Rose. Trade Orlando: Noah and Horford for Dwight. Orlando gets 2 very good big young players to replace Howard. And I think that Orlando/Florida Fans would like to get players that they recognize if they are gonna lose the best player they have no matter what. If we have to throw in Marvin and or Zaza somewhere to make the money match up or if the Bulls want some size to replace Noah so be it.

ATL Starters:
JT hopefully could give us 12pts and 4 or 5 assist, steal
KH maybe 12 pts 4 assist,
LD maybe 15+pts and 5 rbs
JS Now that he is in the paint he should avg 17+ points, 7+ rbs, 3 assists, a block and a steal.
DH Becomes or dominate player. 24+ pts, 10+ rbs, 2 blks

Bench:
Damien
Marvin if not traded. Add in player from Orl or Chi
ZAZA if not traded. Add in player from Orl or Chi
Twin
Sy
Sign back up pg
Sign back up sg

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Schultz will you quit already. Trade Marvin to LA. I will take anyone or anybody.. even their pick. Al is the center for the Atlanta Hawks.

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6′8 Josh Smith for 7′0 Andrew Bogut?
Bobcats got Pryzbilla for an older but still similar to Smith player (Gerald Wallace).

no way. and Marvin Williams is traded for whom?

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@ bob loblaw. I don’t see how any player would not at least think about wanting to play in front of his hometown. I do know that he was Smoove’s best man at his wedding. So I’d hope that it helps that if he came here he would be playing in his hometown with one of his best friends. Just my opinion though.

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FIRE Larry Drew…

He cost us our draft pick and JC2 by not playing Teague. JC2 put up 39 pts this season on the Miami Heat. Owe, but he wasn’t good enough to play for Larry Drew.

Larry Drew is doing the same 7 man rotation crap that Woodson did. We have all of the players we need. Give a better coach this same team and they would win championships.

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Terrence Moore kept writing articles to trade Dominique Wilkins. Most of those articles were ignored until Lenny Wilkins became the Hawks coach. Lenny decided there would be only one guy in the HAWKS ORGANIZATION NAMED WILKINS, so he decided to trade Dominque for Danny Manning. Danny Manning was injured and never played much and of course Dominique went on to finish his hall-of-fame career. The year Dominique was traded the Hawks had the best record in the conference and probably would have won the NBA title that season. The Hawks showed their thanks to Dominque for a great Hawks career by letting him go, literally kicking him into the streets. Im surprised Wilkins is now president of the Hawks after their horrible treatment of him.

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No way! Josh Smith is not getting traded nor is he going anywhere. He is an instrumental part to our core and we need him here. Get rid of that horrible coach and put some freakin money into a real head coach. What organization fires a coach who supposedly took a team the farthest he can and then hire his top assistant as a replacement? Feel my drift…

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…and how much cash? Bynum is he NBA eguivalent to Chippah Jones. He’s very good when healthy, but only plays in 60% 0f the games. How ’bout including Marvin and getting Gasol?

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John, I agree, although I doubt Drew will get fired. I actually think he will be better next season – if he starts Jeff. He has no reason not to. The team will be in there second season of running the offense and should be comfortable in it. Hopefully they will buy into the success they achieved during the post season.

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I noticed that on his left bicep that Josh has a tatto of the old Hawks logo. It will be very hard to remove the tat, Josh is a Hawk for life!

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I know Kobe is playing declining minutes but Kobe is the least likely to be traded. U cant be serious.

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I would give my right nut to see smith traded anywhere.

so much potential, being held back by even more ignorance. Unquestionably one of the dumbest players to ever grace the hardcourts.

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He can’t leave ATL, his baby mommas all live here.

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Al -vs- Josh

Al 4 years into his NBA career -vs- Josh 7 years into his NBA career.

Josh is the same player he was 3 years ago. If you don’t think Al will develop a Left or more post moves in the next 3 years(Like Josh hasn’t), then trade him…. I would never trade AL, because if the team asked Al would become a rebounding force to win a title.(We can’t get Josh to stop taking jumpers)

The most important reason Al is better…HE IS A SMARTER BASKETBALL PLAYER>

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Jeff Schultz is a tool

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“The most important reason Al is better”
How many triple doubles does Al have? Michael Jordan is smarter than all of them too bad he’s not physically capable of playing anymore.

Horford is the highest trade value he can get a blue collar center in Bogut. Williams must go as well or it wil be a lateral move.

The Bucks trade with Sanders gives Hawks 2 guys with length comparable to ‘09 Lakers and ‘08 Celtics. Hinrich trade to let the rosters fit and get Teague starting.

ITs so simple but people want to say oh this black guy is dumb and this one went to college and is smart.

If Al is so smart how come he one 2 championships in college, 2 all star appearances, a team usa invite but he cant figure out how to get around Ryan Anderson or Amare Stoudemire.

Hawks are only going to screw themselves out of a guy who posted similar advanced stats to Carmelo only last year and the Atlanta media will lead the way.
One of the most efficient players versus small forwards when at 230 lbs and you want to trade him away for Chris Kaman and Marvin Williams to team up with Al Horford who gets his shot blocked by KG, Dirk, Bargnany, Gasol, etc, etc.

No one wants his silly old man jumpshot. Give me Larry Sanders who can put on weight and still dunk and Bogut who is a real DPOY candidate. Gooden Salmons off the bench with AL Thornton and blue collar PACHulia and Ronnie Price.

but Hawks will never do it for their beloved Horford.

Speed kills lol ask Phoenix Golden State and Philadelphia. Atlanta is the next to fall victim to small ball. Smith is ghost to Clippers or Lakers deal with it Atlanta.

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Josh vs other Hawks.. 2nd in FG % (of players who average 4 shots or more
b. 3 pt % is among worse on team, but better than JJ
c. 2nd in scoring
d. second in rebounds

So really is this they guy we really want to trade?

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2011-2012 Atlanta Hawks Starting Lineup

C Lebron James
PF Lebron James
SF Lebron James
SG Lebron James
PG Josh Smith

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no…all hes gonna do is hurt hes knee…

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DUKESTER-I’ve gone on record as being against us making any major trades. I think Sund and the ASG will do for LDrew exactly what they did for MWoodson, and that’s give him what he feels he needs to succeed in the final yr of his contract. I don’t think Drew wants to get rid of any of our core players, and that includes Hinrich and Teague.

I think he’s also very intrigued by what he saw from Teague the entire Chicago series, and JSmith the last 2gms of the series. You know he’s not dumb enough to want JJ traded, and he’d rather play Horford more at PF than trade him. There are 3 players that are certain not to return next yr, and they are JPowell, EThomas, and JCrawford. I’m not certain if LDrew will want to retain both Rolle and Armstrong, since they’re simular in size and ability.

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Im all over this deal like white on rice.

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First,that deal would never happend,so we can stop talking about it.The way I see Hawks future is : we MUST find a way to trade Joe Johnson.I know he is the best player on the team but his huge salary stops any attempt for improvement.We can make any deals,trade JSmith or Al or so and so but the reality is we can NOT get a player who can put us over the top,meaninig contend for the title, and the reason is we dont have enough money left for his salary.I had a conversation with a couple of people from Hawks organization 2 days ago and they have the same way of thinking,we can not improve with JJ on the roster.It’s going to be hard to trade him but not impossible,if Arenas can be moved why not Joe.Here a good GM steps in.I wished Rick is one…Lets say JJ can be moved,we are not going to get the same value in return and we should except that and for 1-2 years Hawks would not be going anywere(but where we going now,finals-NOO,so…) but after that we will be able to get a super star who is also a leader and a winner (CP3 or the homeboy superman) and with the rest of the talent on the roster-JSmith and Al.we can contend for the title.
Second,Marvin.Well,what can i say.There is no fire in this kid.He has the lenght to be a very good defender or may be a spot up 3 point shooter but nooooo he is none of that.He need to go even if its for a draft pick.There are so many players on same position in NBA who make 2 or 3 times less money than he is.So fare well Marvin.
Third,new coach and new GM.I understand ATL SPIRIT is trying to save money by going for the cheep but you can NOT be cheep on the most important part of the organization.If you design a car and you have to cut cost,would you save $$ by cutting cost on the engine or some trimming,handles and so and so…?Lets be real now.
At the end, everything is about money and we as fans have to understand that.It easy to say get Kobe,Lebron,Wade,Rose …..but the reality is it’s all business
That been said,sorry for the long post,we can all hope for the best because this is the true fan’s destiny.
GO HAWKS

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make it bynum-artest for smith and williams, Not Kirk

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trade smith ,and william for rudy gay an get a center in fa

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I hope you mean Al Thornton for the MLE and even that is too much for a guy making $750K off the bench.

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Gearon

May 25th, 2011
8:07 pm

I hope you mean Al Thornton for the MLE and even that is too much for a guy making $750K off the bench.

What? Please, you have to replace Jamal’s production off the bench and splitting the MLE between Marcus Thorton and Reggie Evans would be ideal.

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make the trade—no brainer. josh smith will never be anything big in atl.

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Wow. Really? Andrew Bynum? The only trade that would make sense for the Hawks is to trade Josh Smith to the Clippers for Chris Kaman and a 2012 first round pick. Haaa! xD

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No, no and no. Josh Smith should stay a Hawk. The moronic ramblings of AJC media goons and fake Hawks fans shouldn’t win out. I remember when they did win, and the franchise traded, well the whole franchise, for a scrub with balky knees who left the next year. SUND – DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE CLOWNS. KEEP JOSH.

Now if you could work something like Schultz and Bradley for Mariotti (buy low candidate..lol) and Woody Page. I’d be all for that.

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Like many of you…we know that moving JJ will only happen by retaining a portion of his contract no matter who the player(s) is/are. I’ve read several very interesting trade ideas, but I live in the world of “keeping it real” and Josh HAS GOT TO GO!!
He is a cancer, un-coachable (by the coach, team mates, fans and NBA analysts), immature, and he does not have a keen court awareness and basketball at this level takes more than an ability to jump to block shots and dunk. Basketball at this level takes a commitment to working hard and showing maturity.
I’m a season ticket holder who loves this game and some of the things I’ve noticed about Josh is that he does not care. He doesn’t sit with the team during timeouts, he sits on the bench during half time shoot a-rounds and he takes the team out of its offense almost every time he launches one of those ILL-ADVISED shots.

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Many guys think we are too hard on Josh, but remember it was he who said, “I’m going to show the eastern conference coaches something for not voting me into the All Star Game”. If that is not a sign of where his head is, I don’t know what else anyone needs to hear (IMMATURE). He also has a reputation around the league of being a whiner.
Maybe a change-of-venue is what Josh needs and if we can get the likes of a Bynum…heck yes, let’s make the deal. He has been here too long and needs to cut the apron strings because he is too damn comfortable at home and we have to experience his late blooming.

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Anyone see who the baby killer is?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Akbar+Cojoe&cp=6&qe=YWtiYXIg&qesig=MBZx6WCh0LDE6Hf0jdF7Lw&pkc=AFgZ2tlLbUawdvgWTZ9HBMOrSjeCIosiSG3iDSqeAw_fLPl_xhI5B59UJOk7GcOU2wjQT8NtC7ukT6fbnsyGsD50C6aQ_y_66A&pf=p&sclient=psy&site=&source=hp&aq=0p&aqi=&aql=&oq=akbar+&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ee454a80ac119a9c&biw=1345&bih=528

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What does everyone think about this trade?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Then sign Pietrus and McRoberts over the summer

That’s how we should rebuild, then have a lineup of:
Paul
Ellis
Pietrus
Horford
Josh McRoberts

Bench:
Teague
Hinrich
Marvin
Collins
Zaza

I don’t know if we have the money to pull that off, but that would be really interesting. Imagine the highlights with Chris, Monta, and McRoberts

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Enough already on the Jsmoove hating! I see why nobody takes ATL serious, you idiots give more respect to a flash in the pan kid,” faTeague,” versus a proven should be AllStar, Josh has more athleticism is his pinky finger than the rest of the team..yes he makes some ill advised shots, but at times, he is the only one out there attempting to make a shot! Lose Josh, and I’m out for good..to wherever he goes…..have been watching this kid since middle school, he never really has had a real coach in the pros either, make that move if you want to see improvement!

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Just think where the Hawks would be at this time, if they let J.J. shop for other teams who were willing to offer $ to Joe, and just said “well, you can have him”. Look at all that money we would’ve saved.

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“PureEvil

May 25th, 2011
11:21 am
Smith = sometimes a game changing player always a great defender
Hinrick = expendable but are we sure Teague will be able to be the man
for
Bynum = often injured never a game changer
Artest = old punk with deteriorating game.

NO”

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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Yea, what is it with all the Smoove hate? The Hawks could prove once and for all they are a hopeless franchise run by morons.. IF THEY MAKE THIS TRADE. Yea, you’d make Smoove haters happy…these are the people who clearly tune in during the playoffs and listen to the pundits crab about him. Watch a whole season. Or 5. Josh is the straw that stirs the drink. And, if you trade Josh, the true hard core Hawks fans would abandon this team in droves. Yea JJ and Bynum…that’s the path to a championship….LOL

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If the Lakers are stupid enough to make that trade, i say do it right now!.

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I’d think the Lakers would keep Bynum to use as a trading piece to get Dwight next year. Or this year….or whenever.

Plus why would the Lakers give up Bynum and Artest for Smith and Hinrich. What would they be gaining with that? It’s defense for defense…but Lakers give up height.

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And I also feel you lose any chance of getting Dwight here if Smith is gone.

(For us who like to daydream that is).

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I’d take a bag of balls for Josh Smith and throw in a subscription to Maxim and you have Marvin Williams too.

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Looks like we have a lot of dumb basketball fans. Bynum is bound to get hurt, Artest takes worst jumpers than Josh, and not as good on defense; not to mention he’s old. Atlants “sports writers” are not the smartest in the books. No wonder why fans are they way they are. All they hear is sh*t from yall, and attach on. One of the dumbest trade idea’s i’ve heard.

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If the Laker trade Bynum, you can bet it won’t be for Josh Smith. They will trade him to the Majic for Dwight Howard. But KEEP HOPE ALIVE!

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MAN I wish they where leaving the city instead of the THRASHERS…………..

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justathought – The Hawks getting passed by is a tradition, my friend. Check back through the years and you’ll find at least 3 prime examples, including the present….it’s nothing new.

The Braves and Falcons are pretty good at it too….

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I am a realist so I hope you all don’t believe all the trades you are posting. None of them are happening. Marvin will be the odd man out and maybe Joe if they can trade him. Again, name 5 centers in the league that average 15 ppg and 10 rbs….not named Dwight and Al. By the way, for all those who wanted Shaq or K. Perkins, both of those teams are at home.

Hey Bynum is at home to. Has Dalembert eve n been to a playoffs? Put K. Love and B. Lopez in that category to. It is no longer a center league. AL has to man up and accept his role and flourish at it. Oddly, his scoring average has improved every season (at center!). This trend will continue at center. Again, the elephant is Marvin.

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Trade for Howard…come on are you serious Orlando would not make that trade because we are rivals, then they would have to face Howard.

J.J is not the problem his contract is, he’s being paid like a top 5 player in the league. J.J is a very good 2nd option on any team. He don’t have leadership skills…what I mean is he’s not verbal enough in the locker room, he don’t hold other players and himself accountable for the hawks mistakes.

Smith need to be with a true court leader, someone that’s going to stay in his ear and get in his head and make him play like Jordan did Pipen. I don’t have an issue with him taken one or two outside jumpers in a game, but he need someone to tell him when not to shot the dang on outside shot, that’s Joe & coach job.

Joe remind me of Nique when he had Stacey Augman. Nique was worried about getting his but he didn’t take time to help mentor Augman and his teammates and that’s what keep Nique from going to the nba championship.

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how about johnson,williams,and# 1 for howard? then you have teague,hinrich,smith.horford and howard starting!!

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dirtyo11: I dont agree with that at all. I watched the Hawks during Niques years and Nique not mentoring stacy augmen had nothing to do with nique not making it to the championship. Part of it was other teams that the hawks played in the playoffs got LUCKY BOUNCES and I remember at least four Hawk players who missed easy uncontested DUNK SHOTS WHEN THEY WERE UNDER THE BASKET AND NOBODY WAS AROUND. THEY SIMPLY COULDNT MAKE LAYUPS. When the Hawks in ‘88 came within one game of making it to the ECF in that classic game 7 showdown between the Hawks-Celtics, CLIFF LEVINGSTON, WAYNE “TREE” ROLLINS and KEVIN WILLIS all missed dunk shots. Had they gone in the Hawks would have made it to the ECFs because they lost game 7 by one point. The Hawks would have gone on to win the title that year, but these guys were so excited they couldnt settle down and STUFF THE BASKETBALL. They were so pumped up and excited that they missed shots they should have made. Thats what cost them the game and the series. Doc Rivers was a guard for the Hawks in that game so this is something that Im sure he saw as well. The Hawks blew their chance to win something for Nique, but if the current Hawks win the title next year, then Nique will get his consolation ring.

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Hmmmmmmmm…trade a player who seems to not be consistent in fulfilling his potential and has been called lazy at times for a player who can never stay healthy…hmmmmmmm what to do what to do???

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As frustrating as Josh can be he is still an undervalued immature misunderstood 7yr vet that should be an all star and can play minutes at the 3,4,and 5 positions. Horford would thrive at the 4. Atlanta needs to get their next move right.

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@AG I wish I saw your post before I posted mine. i wouldn’t have wasted my time. Well said. All of you guys who don’t get it including Schultz read @AG’s post. better yet I will post ot here. Well put AG you might actually watch all Hawks games instead of just the playoffs. “I am a realist so I hope you all don’t believe all the trades you are posting. None of them are happening. Marvin will be the odd man out and maybe Joe if they can trade him. Again, name 5 centers in the league that average 15 ppg and 10 rbs….not named Dwight and Al. By the way, for all those who wanted Shaq or K. Perkins, both of those teams are at home.

Hey Bynum is at home to. Has Dalembert eve n been to a playoffs? Put K. Love and B. Lopez in that category to. It is no longer a center league. AL has to man up and accept his role and flourish at it. Oddly, his scoring average has improved every season (at center!). This trend will continue at center. Again, the elephant is Marvin.” BTW which Atlanta team has been in the playoffs the last 4 years and in the second round the last three? Than would be you Atlanta Hawks.

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I would rather be talking about trading Joe and Marvin and resigning Jamal. Or how much Dwight Howard wants to come back to Atlanta.

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Not a chance, Jeff. Not after his actions in that last game against Dallas. The Hawks need a big man, but not one with a bad attitude. Granted thats just one incident, but the Lakers also havent lost much since hes been there. Would that translate to regular behavior on a Hawks team that never gets by the second round? On paper it looks like a worthy trade, but I cant help but think this would just make the Lakers better and the Hawks not so much.

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Solo…. Can you tell me what makes Al the heart and soul of this team? Can anyone expalin to me why Al is untouchable and we are trying to replace his position? Everyone says his position is where we need to get better right? What has Al sowed us that he can be a better PF than Josh? Does he post up better? Does he block better? does he rebound better at the PF position? If he can’t play the center position why is he untouchable?

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HAWKS WOULD BE DUMB TO TRADE JOSH SMITH IF WE DIDNT GET EGAUL OR BETTER VALUE IN RETURN AND I WILL STOP WATCHING THE HAWKS IF THEY DO

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I will quit watching and supporting the hawks if they get rid of Josh. He is the heart and soul of the team.

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Yes, im gay, shout out to my lover michael cunningham…whatz up boo

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Josh is the heart and soul of this team but me and Al Cunningham have free booty to share.

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Why dont you take a poll and see how many would do the Al Horford or Andrew Bynum trade?

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Anti Schultz, that may be true, but I still give up free booty, have some?

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The way the Hawks fans are SLAMMING THE HAWKS you would have thought that the Hawks had a 21-61 season. Well maybe this might cheer you up. After last nights elimination of the Oklahoma City Thunder by the Dallas Mavericks, I finally realize first of all who the best two teams in the league are and secondly, why I felt the Hawks blew a chance this year to win a title. The two teams who should have been in this years finals, that contest should have been ATLANTA vs. OKC. In my opinion this season, those are the best two teams in the league. The problem was that they didnt play like it when they were tested in the playoffs so both teams will have to watch the finals matchup instead of participating in that great game. Last night the Dallas Mavericks were lucky to knock off the Thunder. I saw Dallas blow about six wide open layups, most of which were uncontested, by Tyson Chandler, DeShawn Stephonson and Shawn Marion. Late in the third period Shawn Marion was driving to the basket to supposedly put the ball in the basket and he whiffed at the opportunity and the ball went about 60′ up in the air and about two rows back in the stands. Ive never seen anything like it. That was an incredible miss for a simple layup attempt. I guess the guy was so excited he tried to throw the ball up to heaven. Anyway, Dallas is a lucky team to be advancing. THE MAVS ARE A ONE-MAN TEAM. Dirk Nowrinski and thats it. The Hawks are better than the Miami Heat this year because the Hawks have five players who have played at an all-star level and the Heat have only 3; their three kings. Hawks or Thunder should have played for the NBA title this year. That should make the fans feel much better about the Hawks.

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Yes!!! This would be a great deal….dont really want to lose Josh, but you get back great value with Bynum….the team would still be athletic but now you can play inside out….not sure if Im ready to deal kirk yet…he makes the D better!! Teague, kirk, Joe, Horford and bynum starting5 = Eastern Conf finals…..lets get it done!!!!

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He’s a headcase,

Give me one legitimate article or report of Josh being a problem in the lockerroom this season. I don’t hink you can.

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http://hoops-nation.com/index.php?/topic/1680-josh-smith-causing-problems-in-hawks-locker-room-larry-drew-likely-gone/

and yes, there are others….

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April 10, 2007 — THE NBA must be thrilled about the graceful 24 hours it experienced Sunday/Monday. Aside from Miami Beach police playing ring around (James) Posey in the early a.m., the Hawks suspended Josh Smith two games yesterday after Mike Woodson banished him to the locker room during Atlanta’s loss in Philly for calling him names he’d only heard from rappers.

My first thought? What took the coach and GM Billy Knight so long to crack down on this remarkably skilled, exceptionally infantile and exceedingly selfish 21-year-old?

For three seasons I’ve written about Smith’s vulgar disrespect for Woodson, his assistants and a teammate or two. Yet, for the most part, his boorish behavior has been unchecked. As far as I know, there has been no loss of significant minutes or money. At the very least, he’s been privately docked some insignificant dough.

Last year, Smith’s belligerence got so out of hand, I’m told, Zaza Pachulia pinned him to the Hawks’ locker room wall after a game.

“Talk to me like you just did on the court,” the 6-foot-11, 250-pound Georgian warned, in essence, “and you’ll miss the rest of your career.”

This season the league fined Smith 25G for saluting heckling fans with a finger on each hand up while walking off the court after being ejected from a Bobcats game.
His apology the next day maintained such conduct was uncharacteristic. I maintained it was completely characteristic.

I maintain he’s perfectly understood. From what I know, he’s trouble looking for trouble.

Two summers ago, a source swore he was in a club when the under-age Smith was asked to leave after acting up when a bartender refused to serve him. That’s when things almost got of hand.

“Josh kept threatening he was going home to get his gat and was coming back with his peeps,” the source asserted. “Thank goodness Josh Childress was there. He kept calming down Smith and telling him to chill. Finally, he got him out of there before anything physical or worse happened.”

Yup, if I’m the Hawks, Smith’s the guy I want to bankroll this summer as my franchise player. The predicament is, if they don’t, we all know there will be at least one team (and all it takes is one) who’ll be more than willing to take a five-year, $50 millions-$60 million guaranteed gamble the season after next (when he becomes free) on such a talented head case.

In the meantime, I’m left wondering why the Hawks finally decided to discipline Smith. Was his obscene outburst so public that Woodson and Knight had no other choice? Or was it his new vocabulary words that sent management over the edge?

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Josh, you’ve never heard of Sam Amick, and Sports Illustrated?

That’s where that’s from! Last time I checked, Sports Illustrated wasn’t published from a basement, and Sam Amick is what even a less than average joe would call “legitimate”.

Unless, of course, you have some info to share about SI and Sam Amick that has yet to be uncovered? LOL

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Mike Brown has probably seen more of Josh than Phil Jackson did so I’m sure if there’s mutual interest in a trade that could help some.

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He started his campaign to have him fired shortly after Drew benched him. Going to the other players, poising the well, so to speak. The majority of the players really hate Josh, and went to Drew immediately, and told him to cover his back.

They can’t trade Smoove…they did try, and he was passed on because of his personal issues. Management is weak, and don’t understand the effect of letting a 25 year old kid run the team.

My guess is, Smith stays, Drew goes.

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why note hate Marvin or Jo the burgler. Man!!!!!! For the sake all of you haters I wish they send Josh to LA. Josh will have a ring and the HAWKS will go back to being the Hawks Loosers… Good luck Haters. hope your prayers are answered..

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I’m glad Mike Brown got to coach the Lakers. Thats great because it means that there are still at least TWO GREAT COACHES on the market who would be good for the Hawks upcoming coaching vacancy. I’m sure Larry Drew will get fired, I just dont know when its going to happen. Meanwhile, I would recommend the Hawks to start interviewing RICK ADLEMAN and JERRY SLOAN. Either of those coaches would do wonders with the Hawks talent. However, the Hawks must move swiftly because those two future hall-of-fame coaches will not stay on the market unemployed much longer.

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I don’t think we have a name changer, I think we have a majority of fans (57%) posting the facts. And those facts about his lack of character have you upset.

Don’t ever let the truth upset you, the truth will set you free!

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All I’ve done is put together the facts why he should be traded. I used information available from real sources.

Instead of attacking the messenger, maybe you could attack the message, prove SI isn’t a real source, prove he didn’t really push the coach, tell the coach to F-his mother, etc, etc???

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Josh Smith has experimented with different weights ever since they started playing him at center.

I can’t find an article on him being lazy but I can find an article where Josh Smith and lazy@ss veteran Kobe Bryant reached out to Olajuwon to work on their post games before it became shiek thing to do.

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This doesn’t mean that they’re not learning, however, or that their time with Olajuwon had a negative impact on their post games. In fact, perhaps due to their summer workouts, both Bryant and Smith internalized Olajuwon’s advice and looked to be more active in the post last season. Bryant spent 19.4 percent of his time in the post, an unbelievably high number for a guard, which equaled the amount of time spent in the post by guards Dwyane Wade (6 percent), Brandon Roy (6.3 percent) and Vince Carter (7.1 percent) combined. Smith worked 18.7 percent of his offense in the post, which was significantly more than the aforementioned forwards James (6.3 percent), Odom (9.4 percent), Lewis (12 percent) and Deng (6.9 percent). Ultimately, it’s quite common for a player to experience a drop in efficiency with a large increase in attempts in a certain area, highlighting what tends to be a negative relationship between frequency and efficiency.”

and excerpts about him needing to maintain weight to bang inside with PFs and Centers who arent you know 6′8 230.

“I heard that Josh Smith has added some size, so I emailed him and he said he’s gained “maybe 10 pounds of muscle.” -Lang Whitaker, October,2008
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SLAM: In the last 20 postseasons, a 23-16-8-2 game has only happened nine times. You, Hakeem Olajuwon (2), Shaquille O’Neal (3), Pau Gasol and Brad Daugherty (2)were the players to accomplish it. What is it like to be able to have a game of that caliber?

JS: Just to be mentioned with the names that you just named are unbelievable. Those are Hall of Fame players and players that been effective in this league for a long time. I just have to keep pushing and keep being positive and just keep doing whatever I can in order to help this ball club win.

SLAM: Do you think people watching really understand what you’re bringing to the game, who you’re guarding on the floor–I saw you on Noah and Deng–and the mistakes that you clean up around the basket through defense?

JS: No, they don’t. But people that know basketball know it. But the people that just watch the game and don’t know what’s going on and don’t know the different coverages and things that we have to do, they’ll never understand it. So it’s kind of like a win/lose. You win because with the people that know basketball, they understand and see what you’re doing. The people that just watch the game just to watch it is just something you can’t fight.
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nycbballfan Posted: May.12 at 7:45 pm
Good questions and straight talk from a player who does it all. People who know basketball appreciate what Josh brings every game. Good luck to Josh and the Hawks.
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Ronald Posted: May.12 at 9:50 pm
@Rigo: The 8/22 stat was a bit misleading. He took a few shots at the end of the shotclock and missed a few bunnies which he got the rebound and placed it back in/got fouled on.
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8/22 stat was misleading. I agree. I liked a rare glimpse into Smith. Great set of questions.
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Smith was 245 pounds of solid muscle early in the summer but has shed weight since then, mostly by accident, but his summer work was as much philosophical as it was physical.

“I wasn’t trying to lose it. I didn’t do it on purpose. But earlier in the summer I started working out twice a day and the weight just came off. I’m down to 230 now, and I really need to put five more pounds of muscle back on.

“I wanted to work more on my decision-making than anything. I handle the ball so much on the fast break and in transition that I wanted to make sure I’m thinking the game the way I need to be. I also worked on my handles and knocking down that mid-range jumper. I’m really not worried about the 3-point ball right now. We have so many guys on this team that can make that shot.
“I don’t have any business being out there this season with Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, Marvin, Mo and [Jeff] Teague all doing work out there. I have to focus on working in the cracks and making sure that people respect my mid-range game. And if they don’t, we have to make them pay for not respecting it.”

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The Hawks are kinda like the Bulls without their defense, meaning they are predictable…If any change has to be made its the system on offense and defense…

…Our bigs were outside the paint way too many times giving up rebound after rebound
…We dribble our way to bad shots or forcing it as the shot clock ran out
…We hardly ever got any fast break points
…Players didn’t know what to do once JJ got swarmed including JJ
…Too much switching on defense which led to our bigs being left on an island
…Nobody except for Josh and Teague attacked to basket
…Effort Effort Effort

Until you address those things with new players and/or coaching staff nothing will change…I don’t know who needs to be traded and what we need in return, but management needs to figure out an identity before anything…We are not outstanding at anything, just ok and that will not get you anywhere in this league…JJ is the only player on this this team that commands a double team and in my eyes they need to focus on bringing in a player(s) that compliments him more than anything…Yes, he’s a high paid player, but what team in this league doesn’t have a player on their team making that kind of money…HIS contract of far from the problem, because as an NBA franchise every team has a high paid player, its the other contracts like Zaza, Marvin and so-on…As for this Smith/Bynum trade, I say NNNNNNOOOOOOO…I understand wanting to trade, but you don’t trade a knucklehead for 2 knuckleheads…GET A BONAFIED SYSTEM BEFORE TRYING TO RID YOUR PLAYERS!!!!!

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May 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

I will quit watching and supporting the hawks if they get rid of Josh. He is the heart and soul of the team.

Al Horford.

May 26th, 2011
12:29 pm

I am gay so I fit better here in Midtown. The only other place you can trade me is San francisco

Al Horford.

May 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

Yes, im gay, shout out to my lover michael cunningham…whatz up boo

Al Horford.

May 26th, 2011
12:32 pm

Josh is the heart and soul of this team but me and Al Cunningham have free booty to share.

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Hey Schultz, me and M. Cunningham, dont mind if you come over again like you did before you wrote this article.

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I may not be as smart or as athletic as Josh, nor as quick or talented, but I give free booty.

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When we trade Al horford we may get better. But until then he is still my favorite player and Id like to sleep with him just like michael cunningham and jeff schultz.

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He pushed coach, told a coach to f his mother, told team mates to f their momma, he told drew he would take the 3 whenever he wanted, and started undermining drew behind his back for benching him, for not listening.

Lazy, dumb and not a quality person…all well documented.

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you as… holes trade josh smith you are fools.

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People just need to stop all this madness about trading Josh Smith.Some of you guys need to be thinking about moving Marvin,Etan,Collins,Josh P(give him back to the lakers),and Magnum Rolle.J-Smoove is a great player and Bynum and Arteset is not what this taem needs at this point there is way more prolems with those two then josh throwing up a couple of ill-advised shots.Those two you have to worry about injuries and cheap shots and you think this team lack mental toughness this is a whole different ball game with fragile minded people.One of them see a therapist not saying anthing is wrong with that but he might just spazut on us and he getting old.The other like to take ill-advised shots and not the one that involve the ball or a play and his knees older than him .That would be a real pasty move.So in other words NOOOOOOOOOOOO,NOPE,NAW,and NO THANKS to that deal and any other you can think of.

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He really isn’t the smartest guy in the NBA.

He hired a life coach to help him with his game. Life coach told him all he needed to do to sink the 3 was to close his eyes 20 before bed, and envision himself making the shot.

His money would have been better spent on common sense coach…like so many things in life, it takes hard work, not wishful thinking, to get er done.

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Put my vote in for the trade Soft Al now. Yes, he a press favorite but come on, we are talking a career 12 pt 8 rebound guy… How in the Hell is that worth keeping? Hes not the talent that josh is and Al is extremely selfish in demanding to play power forward when we already have a very good one in Josh. He sacrifices the team chemistry with his selfish demands rather than embrace his role as center. the hawks are no better this year than last. Get rid of Al now!

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Sad when Your hometown fans hate ur guts. I’m sure he’ll do much better wherever they send him.

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Ignorant thug…I’m glad they want to trade him, I blame his pappie for they way he is.

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Trading Josh Smith for Andrew Bynum is trading a lazy@ss unprofessional punk (JSMOOVE) for a tall no-talent coward bum who is allways injured and contributes almost nothing (BYNUM). Bynum wouldnt help the Hawks to anything except we would now have a punk (Bynum) who tries to act like a tough-guy because of his size. Did you see the cheap shot he gave to JJBerrea’s neck in the Lakers loss to the Mavs. Berrea could have gotten injured or could have been paralyzed for life or may have even ended up in a wheelchair and Bynum tries to apologize to patch things up with Berrea. Berrea and the Dallas Mavericks should have filed assault charges against Bynum and Bynum should have been siting in the Los Angeles county jail until he serves time for that assault. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. These Laker thugs:BYNUM, ARTEST AND ODUM should pay for their crimes. They think they are tough guys just slapping people around but they will get beat up if they continue their COWARDLY ACTS on the wrong person. BYNUM, ARTEST AND ODUM SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL. Those three idiots should save their apologies and serve their time for their cowardly acts.

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I’d LOVE to get Andrew Bynum in here, I really don’t care if he german suplexed and then briefly butt-raped J J Barea, HE’D BE GREAT for the Hawks!!! Listen, the last injuries he had were freak injuries where someone fell into his legs. Not him being goofy, just freak injuries. He’s not really injury prone, and he’s fairly healthy right now. That being said, I DON’T WANT TO GET RID OF THE FEW SCORERS THAT WE HAVE!!! We don’t score very easily, we need to look for more scoring options. We can’t give up Josh Smith, and we should keep Kirk because AS OF NOW, we only have 2 real PGs unless we put Jamal at the point full time, and have Damien behind Joe.
BYNUM WOULD BE GREAT, GIVING UP JOSH and KIRK for BYNUM AND ARTEST would NOT be great. Artest CAN’T SCORE we’ll have the same problems with him that we do with Josh, and he’s not athletic as Josh so he only brings defense, but Josh brings a lot more to the table. DO NOT do this trade. There are other teams out there, BAD TEAMS, BAD TEAMS WITH GOOD PLAYERS, BAD TEAMS WITH GOOD PLAYERS THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE RISKS AND MAKE TRADES. We have a million players we don’t use, trade them AND MARVIN for a good center. Hey LET’S TAKE MAGGETTE from the Bucks and BOGUT. I’d trade 5 of our players we don’t use for them, imagine….

Teague/Kirk
Joe/Jamal/Sy
Josh/Maggette/Damien/
Horford/Magnum Rolle
Bogut/Zaza/Collins

We could trade Hilton, Powell, Etan Thomas, MARVIN, and maybe Sy for Bogut and Maggette. LISTEN, WE ARE A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM IF WE PULL THIS OFF!!! Or something like this trade! We are a good C and a scoring SF away from a championship!! GO HAWKS!!!

Hmm, what about Iguodala, what would that take? He looks tradeable. Maybe get him, and a center from another team. So many options, the Celtics got 2 great players from 2 random teams and got a championship. We need 2 players and we’re on our way….I mean, we could’ve beaten the Bulls THIS YEAR and been to the Conference finals. If we had a SF and a Center that series was OURS ALL THE WAY.

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Andrew “ByteMe” Bynum, Ron Artest and Lamar Odum are HUMAN PIT BULLS

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Lol this would kill the hawks josh is the best player on the team he will be a hall of famer he has an amazing chance to be the leader in blocks of all times by the time he is done lol. if anything i say is keep your core smith horford johnson and crawford then make cap for 2012’s free agent class there will hopefully be a lot of good pg that year like rose, williams and cp3. also try to go for hibbert maybe even wallace

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Take out Hinrich and Artest insert Crawford and Shannon Brown younger more athletic than J.C. is always in play for 6th man award replaces Joshes highlights on ESPN with rim shaking dunks to excite home crowd. And always us to move Marvin and ZaZa for another piece.

Teague/Hinrich
Hinrich /Brown
Johnson/Williams?/Wilkins
Horford/Kirlenko ?/Armstrong
Bynum/ZaZa?/Twin

Marvin and ZaZa could bring us a serviceable player like Kirlenko who also helps offset the loss of Josh’s defense with his weakside blocks and could return to his allstar form in this line up and is a decent 3 point shooter can swing between the 3 and 4 very nice team very balanced as Al could shift to Center when Bynum is on bench i’d do it if Brown is swapped for Artest other wise only Josh for Bynum straight up or no deal.

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yes Horford for Bynum head up would be the best move for the team.

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hey Schultz, pretend like you are non partial and now take a poll and see how many would favor a Horford Bynum trade

ROFLMAO

You already know this would not be split like the Josh slander you wrote. The Majority of the city,(those who havent given up hope) would trade Hoford for Bynum by a 8 to 2 margin. Not even close.

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And ditto on the weak and slanted position of Schultz trying to move Smoove. I too dare him to offer Horford’s neck and I agree if the slanderous writing is the same, degrading, then those wanting Horford gone would be more decisive like a 9-1 ,8-2 or 7-3 not a near split like you have with after this biased writing.

Playing favorites rather that increasing talent doesnt make teams better

Yes its time for Horford to go.

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Anybody who thinks the Hawks can win with Kirk Hinrich as a 2 is silly. Bynum is not Shaq.
Because Marvin makes so much $ Hawks feel embarassed to sit him.
Its best they admit mistakes. But at the same time Jason Collins?
Hawks are too embarassed to sit Teague and are flattered that someone thinks Al Horford is going to turn into Amare (1 inch less wingspan/dribbling) or Zach Randolph (too lanky)
or Blake Griffin (lol arms too long) or Elton Brand (arms too short) or Dirk Nowitzki (too short)
or Wes Unseld (too tall, arms too short).

Where are u guys basing this comparison? Because he went to college for 3 years? That takes AWAY from potential. Horford is an unfortunate combination of strength and wingspan. He will never be able to be a go shoot over Dirk a pound Dirk into the paint. Only hope is to develop a 3. But then he becomes Bargnani lol
No upside in this league. He did not “develop” a jumper that’s how he’s always scored. Josh has a better center of gravity at the 3 than Horford ever will at the 4. Its the truth check draftexpress. Horford’s reach and length are stuck between David Lee + Stoudemire. He barely beat out Bass and Andersen.

Jeff Teague/Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Donatas Motiejunas*/Hasheem Thabeet
Kirk Hinrich/Travis Leslie*/(Marvin Williams)/Jordan Hill/Zaza Pachulia
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Al Horford
Pape Sy

Atlanta gets

Hasheem Thabeet
Jordan Hill
14th pick
23rd pick
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Robotic like Stoudemire This is where the game stops.
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Give me Motiejunas. fluid in the post and has the ability to create his shot AND hit pick and pops fluidly AND put the ball on the floor and create opportunities.

Give me Travis Leslie. Hands and wingspan only held by 1 guys his height. Dwyane Wade. The last guy to have a 6′10.75 wingspan? James Harden. Yeah. Notice the similarities between the two? This guy has a higher vert than all of them. This could be due to weight, But just like symmetry and boxing they called measurements for a reason. They help determine potential strengths and weaknesses.
Horford will never be as fluid as Amare or Boozer or Dirk or David Lee or even average scrubs etc. He is more of a center and to his credit has a solid bulky body like a center. If he had one more inch he’d be tied with Amare for wingspan. shame even they shared the same vert.

There is no way Horford puts up 20 shots against a Bosh or Garnett and he’s like Joe at the PF he rarely gets to the line.

Jeff Teague(16 & 6apg)/Joe Johnson (17 & 5apg)/Josh Smith (17 & 9rpg)/Donatas Motiejunas* (16 & 8rpg)/Hasheem Thabeet (8 & 8)*
Bench: Kirk Hinrich/Travis Leslie*/(Marvin Williams)/Jordan Hill/Zaza Pachulia

Rajon Rondo (10 & 6ast)/Ray Allen(16 & 3ast)/Paul Pierce(20 & 5reb)/Kevin Garnett(18 & 8)/Kendrick Perkins (8 &

This is what it takes to win a championship. Ask Rashard Lewis, assuming you have a center, its a power forward’s league.

Motiejunas, Travis Leslie = Zach Randolph and a defense 1st slasher that is the 1st guy 6′4 through 6′5 with a Dwyane Wade toolbox. The last was James Harden. And before that there was an LSU guard by the name of Marcus Thornton. He posted up in college and let it be known he posts up smaller 1s/2s when he can.
If the Hswkd neglect to trade they will regret this forever.

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I have to agree with the guys whose voice is being denied by the press, but not buy the turnstile. Al Horford Suck. How much of an anti team attitude can you tolerate from Al? He was asks to play center. @ 6 10 1/2 (his daddy is 7ft) you expect Al to embrace his role and play. Instead he is one of the weakest starting front line players from a defensive stand point in the NBA. Al Suck. he WILL NOT play defense. When he starts whining about its to much work for him to be a center and whining about being scared of Amare or b!tching about Id rather play Power forward, it just disgusting. NO TEAM SPIRIT FROM AL.

Just because Josh is multi talented and can play the 3 or 4 is no reason for Al to beg out of his responsibilities. Josh is a better power forward than Al and Josh is a better defender than Al. SO WHY WEAKEN at the power forward to accommodate Al’s lack of internal fortitude? I would never go to war with Al. He was given an assignment and a chance to show leadership. He not only failed miserably, but his cancer has everyone else out of position and unhappy. GET RID OF AL HORFORD! He doesnt have what it takes to be a soldier in the war of the NBA COURT.

YOU WILL NEVER,WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AL ON YOUR FRONT COURT!

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I heard Sund say the team is close to competing for a championship. But he hasn’t said what he can do to make the team better. He needs guys who are good shooters that can shoot without dribbling…..

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can any one explain why horford never shows up for the big games? Or against real players? Did any one witness that play off Fart ? dude why does horford still have a job?

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@Frankbanks- Fisher is done. So I think a Hinrich-Bryant-J. Smith combo wouldnt look that bad. But if I was the Hawks I would hold on to Josh and just go after a free agent center. Bynum health is fading fast.

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If Al could play as well as Josh then we wouldnt have to plant these negative seeds against Josh. We all know its either Josh or Al for the Forward position once we find a center. All the Al fans are spewing hate on Josh, without thinking whats best for the hawks. They blindly hate Josh to support Al. All that hate wont make Al play any better.

Let Jsmoove and Al play 1 ON 1 and the loser gets traded, the best play stays. Just that simple haters….dont you have confidence in Al? Or is your hatred of Josh a concession that Josh is the better player?

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Ditto 5 on 5

May 29th, 2011
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trade joe and al for dwight howard. josh,howard and marvin would be formidable as a frontline. teague and hindrich your backcourt.

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Everybody keeps saying, “DUMP MARVIN”, but before you dump him you have to make sure you get even compensation for him. Marvin can look good at times, but most of the times he looks plain aweful. When Marvin is firing on all cylinders, he can shoot as good as Pistol Pete Maravich. When Marvin is off his game (WHICH IS 99.9% OF THE TIME), Marvin looks clueless out there. Lets trade Marvin for Andrew Bogut or Baron Davis and upgrade our team.

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as usual Jeff is wrong…this would be a great deal for the Lakers and a typical deal for Atlanta franchises…you get a good player in bynam who hasn’t played a full season …now with bad knees…and a good but old ron artest…only in atlanta could an allstar be run out of town…every other franchise in the NBA would love to have j smooth….btw does joe johnson know what defense, passing, rebounding, TEAM MEAN? geez….you people in atlanta are funny….marvin williams would be the tenth man on most NBA teams….anyway the joe johnson deal sealed the hawks fate for years to come…YOU GAVE THE WRONG GUY ALL THE MONEY……

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Newsflash: It was just reported that the Atlanta Thrashers are officially sold and will be moving to Winnepeg, Canada. Hopefully the Hawks will be next. The city of atlanta doesnt deserve a hockey or a basketball team. The Hawks stink and have no chance of improving. The management team keeps making bad draft picks and then when there are low-priced free agents to improve the club, other teams beat us to the punch. THE HAWKS WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IN ATLANTA. Once the Hawks relocate somewhere else and they acquire great ownership and management teams, the Hawks will win an NBA title.

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