Hawks and Josh Smith may have had enough of each other

When Josh Smith dominates, as he did in Game 4 against Chicago, he's a Hawks' fan favorite. (Curtis Compton/AJC).

When Josh Smith dominates, as he did in Game 4 against the Chicago Bulls, he's a favorite of Hawks fans. (Curtis Compton/AJC).

For seven seasons, Josh Smith has shown us that he can be the best player on the floor. For seven seasons, he has shown us that he can be the worst player on the floor. The fact these opposites often appear in the same game is what makes him so maddening.

This is why after seven seasons, it’s time to say goodbye.

Smith is not the biggest problem on the Hawks’ roster, he’s merely the greatest lightning rod for criticism. He’s not the player who has crippled the payroll and just followed the richest contract in NBA history — $123,658,089 — with his least-productive season. That would be Joe Johnson.

For as much as Smith is hammered for launching three-point shots, he had a better shooting percentage from three-range this season (33.1 percent) than Johnson (29.7). Johnson battled some injuries (elbow, thumb). But so did Smith (knee), and he’s not supposed to be a three-point shooter. So who should we scream louder about?

Here’s the problem: Smith clearly is getting fed up as the Hawks’ player who’s constantly being duct-taped to a post in the middle of the town square.

I spoke to him the day following one bad shooting performance in the playoffs and he said, “I know sometimes I take shots I shouldn’t. But I’m not the only one in here who takes bad shots. I just get talked about more than anybody else.”

There is some truth to that. There’s also some truth to the fact that some of coach Larry Drew’s offensive sets leave Smith out in the corner,  away from the basket, although that doesn’t mean he has to shoot from out there.

Smith’s slow boil continued when Drew called him out following a poor performance in Game 2 of the Chicago playoff series. (“I want him flying all over the place. I don’t want him sitting out there just shooting jump shots and trying to make plays off the dribble.”)

Then, following his phenomenal Game 4 performance against the Bulls (23 points, 16 rebounds, eight assists, two blocks, one steal), Smith seized the moment.

“The media is trying to ‘T.O.’ me,” he said, referencing NFL wide receiver Terrell Owens, a frequent target of blame.

He called his relationship with fans “a love-hate thing.” There’s no reason to believe that’s going to change.

The Hawks might finally be willing to trade Smith. But equally important is that Smith may actually welcome a trade. He needs a fresh start, with a new organization, new teammates and new fans – all some place far away from his hometown.

For as much as Smith is criticized, he is not a bad guy. He’s a good guy. He wants to succeed. He wants to be accepted and appreciated as much as anybody — if not more so, because he’s from Atlanta.

We get on the Hawks for sometimes looking like they just don’t care. That generally isn’t the problem with Smith. It’s more about him going after solutions in the wrong way.

The risk of trading Smith is that he finally turns into that consistent game-changer we’ve envisioned since his rookie season. The downside to not trading him now is if he doesn’t become that soon, his value on the trade market will plummet.

Hawks general manager Rick Sund wanted to give the core of this team one more chance to show what it can do. There was improvement this postseason – upsetting Orlando and taking Chicago to six games without their starting point guard – but this probably is as far as this unit can go.

Johnson can’t be traded because of his contract. Al Horford won’t be traded because he’s the team’s most consistent player. Jeff Teague suddenly shows promise. That leaves Smith as the only player who other teams really want. They see great potential without a long-term commitment (two years left on his contract).

Dealing Smith gives the Hawks a chance to acquire a legitimate starting center. Teague’s ascent opens the possibility of including Kirk Hinrich and his expiring $8.1 million contract in the trade.

There are options. But after seven years, Smith’s exit would be beneficial for both parties.

By Jeff Schultz

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414 comments Add your comment

phil

May 23rd, 2011
10:04 am

What a blessing it would be to be rid of the whiny, lazy Josh Smith…he clearly hurts more than he helps…let’s go get someone who wants to play hard and play smart…for that matter, if they’ll just consistently play hard, I don’t care if they stink…

Just dump this guy so we can move on….

Smith is a Cancer

May 23rd, 2011
10:26 am

Time to cut out the cancer. He spreads his negative disease to his teammates, lobbying behind Drews back, trying to gain support of other players to tell owners to fire him.

Why? Because Drew benched him.

Hire a new coach, it won’t matter, because as soon as the new coach tells lil Josh to take a seat, Josh will go to owners and other players and try to have him fired.

PMC

May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am

Yeah but if you trade Josh Smith you’re trading the most interesting/exciting player on the whole team.

No one pays for a ticket in this city to watch the big fundamental. Yes, Josh is frustrating as hell, but who else on the team is even worth buying a full priced ticket to see?

PMC

May 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

The problem of course is that you have to have something of value to trade. Josh is the only commodity that other teams want.

Marvin Williams is truely the player that has crippled this franchise.

TG

May 23rd, 2011
10:33 am

Bout time!!!!

re: PMC

May 23rd, 2011
10:35 am

so you’re saying Smith telling the coach to _uck his mother, him causing disruptions in the locker room with teammates, him not working out, watching what he eats, or trying to evolve as a player…all worth it because he is exciting????

Zing

May 23rd, 2011
10:42 am

We need to find a patsy who’ll take JJ. Fools around the league have included the Knicks, Clippers, and the T-Wolves. Let’s focus on those teams, see if we can get them to take JJ and his massive contract off our hands.

Man Man

May 23rd, 2011
10:43 am

SALVADOR

So what is Dejuan Blair?I guess hes too short to play center too.Get that ish out of here.AL HORFORD IS SOFT IS TISSUE PAPER Dude and Its a shame that Kevin Love who is 6′9 and Dejuan Blair who is 6′6 would out rebound Horford at any position.Rebounding is not about size,its about hustle and want to.Al Horford doesn’t want to.He doesn’t want to play center being stupid not knowing he has a advantage to shoot that little 16 footer he likes to take because a center will let him take that shot but a Power Forward?No,Boozer was all in his grill.Horford is One Dimensional and its a complete shame we drafted him over Noah when we already had a power forward

J-Smoove is now J-Stupid

May 23rd, 2011
10:46 am

My fav smith quote of the year was when he told the league he shouldn’t have been fined for “pretending to masturbate” during a game because “dey didant send me no memo bout that”

Yes, the league should have informed you that men don’t act this this when children are watching…what most would find common sense escaped the grasp of this “good man”.

Man Man

May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am

These bloogers keep talking bout J-Smoove like you know this man.Ima keep it real though.Saying that he has a attitude problem,he’s uncoachable,and all that other bull.But how can you say any of this when you don’t even know this man.Smoove just want to win thats all thats why hes always upset.If you Watch NBA TV”NBA SPECIALS”SOUNDS OF THE PLAYOFF 1st round it would tell you everything you need to know about what kind of teammate he is

WILL.ATLHAWKS.FAN

May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am

If we are going to make a strong move which is very well needed, FIRST, we need to sit Joe Johnson down and lets re-structure his contract if he really wants to win a Championship and bring in a REAL CENTER and his name is DWIGHT HOWARD!!!! Secondly, I believe we really have a chance at winning the next couple years if we really have to give up a trade for Josh Smith(Even though J Smoove will be missed!!), we will get over it fast with this move!! Along with Kirk Hinrich, Armstrong(HOW DID NOTHING FOR US BUT WARM THE BENCH), and this years draft pick for the MOST DOMINANT CENTER IN THE LEAGUE for the next five years!!! I THINK ITS A GREAT IDEA MR. SUND AND HAWKS ORGANIZATION!!! Just making it to the 2nd Round of the Playoffs is getting OLD REAL FAST!!!!

kj

May 23rd, 2011
11:07 am

we need lamar odem so we can add the kardashian drama to the atl. everynight would be a sell out just to see potential family drama. think of the marketing opportunity when you combine it with the with atl housewives.

WILL.ATLHAWKS.FAN

May 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

With this move we can move Horford to the PF position( And Horford needs to get a strength coach and HIT THE WEIGHTS HARD on the offseason), M. Williams can play the SF( for now until we are able to TRADE HIM OUTTA HERE), NOW JJ Can shoot all day long at the SG, and award J. Teague the starting PG position which is well deserved!! D. Howard is from ATL, he will be in his city around family, it won’t be a big move from Orlando to ATL and he would have a WAAAAAAYY better supporting cast than what he has in Orlando(WE PROVED THAT THIS YEAR IN THE PLAYOFFS)!!

[...] The calls have started to trade Josh Smith in Atlanta. [...]

Truckme

May 23rd, 2011
11:43 am

Agree on atl spirit group. Smith is a problem because they are weak owners. When smith said he wouldn’t play for woodson, THEY SHOULD HAVE FIRED SMITH. Instead, they let a 22 year old dummie tell them what to do. Now Smith is unhappy with Drew, and the owners aren’t strong enough to know you don’t let a kid who can barely read or write RUN the team, and tell you when to fire a coach.

Smith Doesn't Think well of Fans

May 23rd, 2011
11:50 am

Saying your fans don’t understand the game is fair. But what about your team, the owners, and your coach? If the fans booing you for taking the long shot means they don’t get the game, then, logically, Smith must think his coach, team and everyone doesn’t understand the game, because it wasn’t just the fans telling him how bad he was.

This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

KevinM

May 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

So if you ask Atlanta fans right now in a poll, the only one safe in Atlanta right now is Jeff Teague. That doesn’t mean Drew will agree with you because he isn’t the best one to advise here. He has a grudge against him and it will come up again if we have a season this year.
We can easily trade any of the 3 captains, and some portion of the fan base will not be in agreement. I say trade Al because he is ‘all-NBA’, all-star, and the respected one of the 3 in the league. But, as we have seen, Al isn’t taking you anywhere further than Round 2. Neither is Joe and Joe must be feeling the pressure of that Brinks truck sitting on his estate….http://www.celebritydetective.com/Celebrity_Homes_Joe-Johnson-house-Atlanta-GA.html

Truthfully, Jeff, can you really expect changes from a team that has the GM and the coach on the last year of their deal, and the blownership group trying to get out of town? I see nothing, I repeat nothing of significance to happen until all current management is gone.
It’s one thing to have a team winning 50 games, but when you keep making excuses about tweaking what we have, the tweaks you have made have done nothing to further this franchise.
We are the Utah of the East; we are going to continue to let teams pass up each year, teams remake themselves and pass us, and we will continue to go with the ‘less-risk, more reward’ model. So in 4 years, we have been knocked out of the playoffs by BOS/CLE/ORL/CHI…I guess its Miami’s turn or Philly next year. Reminds me of the Braves and the numerous teams who knocked us out for years on our field.
Going forward,I’m not trading Josh nor Teague…the rest, they can all be relocated.
Amazing that Josh shot a better 3FG percentage than Joe last year. If someone would have told you that, you would have thought Joe was shooting left handed.

Dangles

May 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Smith is a huge cancer on this team. Going behind your coaches back, fighting wit team and coach in on court.

His own players hate him. Not going far with a team that hates each other.

Smith Welcomes Fresh Start

May 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm

It would make sense for him. He’s spread so much anger and hostility, he poisoned the well in Atlanta.

But another city isn’t going to change the kind of person he is.

AG

May 23rd, 2011
12:17 pm

Man Man is one of the Hawks, thinking it is Jamal. Jeff was wrong when he wrote an article early in the season saying it was time to change and he pointed to Marvin (although I agreed, but the change should have been Bibby). Now, he is talking about trading Josh. Josh if you are reading, they did the same with Dominque. Terrance Moore would have a field day writing (and in person when we spoke) on how the Hawks had to get rid of Dominque. Well, how did that turn out? Josh is NOT the problem. He will continue to take jumpers and he will score more. Again, his 3pt % was better than Joe’s. This team needs some minor adjustments to compete next season. Getting rid of Josh is KA Boom and what we don’t need.

KevinM

May 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

If the team hates Josh, so what? Did any of his teammates show any consistency in the playoffs other than Teague?
Move the malcontents, and the coaches…give us a coach who has had some success.
Let’s continue to do it the Detroit and San Antoine way and keep making excuses. Our management and coaches have little to be desired…few of them would still be in the NBA if it weren’t for this city.
I don’t care if we’re one of the last 6 standing….you know what that means? That means the Hawks aren’t winning nothing with that mentality.
If you aren’t going for the title, then move on.

KevinM

May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm

Good stuff from Man Man…I endorse that approach.

Hard to win when you team hates you

May 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm

yeah, so what if your team hates you, and thinks your a punk. Not a big deal, but may explain why they haven’t been able to get past the 2nd round. Usually winning teams at very least respect each other. Very little respect for Josh from his team mates.

joey1

May 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm

again, trading josh would be plain stupid…. we lose almost our whole defense… we need to trade marvin williams and horford for andrew bogut …then sign thad..young(formet gt player) for the small forward posititon..and sign a few hard nosed defenders and shooter to come off the bench…

imagaine.. teague,johnson, young, smith,bogut
bench – kirk,sign player,wilkins,sign player,zaza

Big Dawg

May 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm

Trade Joe Johnson and Al Horford to Orlando for Dwight Howard (Orlando is gonna lose him anyways) Start Marvin at SF, Teague at Point, Crawford at SG, Josh at PF.

Marvin Williams is not a 3, Josh Is

May 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm

Ummm.. still waiting on the Marvin Williams article. Also waiting for the article where Horford explains why he never has a good series against elite NBA teams with good PFs.

Milwaukee sans Bogut and Miami Heat when they had Wade and no one else.

Horford and Marvin Williams need to go before Smith. Horford will never be a 20 and 10 guy on a winning team. You can live with single coverage on Horford and get him in foul trouble on the other end.

He is good but not elite. Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki etc.
These guys will be in the playoffs year after year and you want to keep Marvin Williams as a 3, trade Josh who is a natural 3 at 6′8 and keep Al Horford as a guy who has failed year after year from the center position and then could not get past Ryan Anderson and Boozer/Noah in the post.

I know writers have to make money but jeesh.

And to all these smart alecks – how does a 6′8 post player who is only 240 lbs score? By backing down guys who have a 3 inch height advantage and 20 pond weight advantage on you?

smh no with your perimeter skills. Both Horford and Josh Smith are midgets at the 4 and 5 but Horford gets a pass because Josh is not a boy scout.
Hawks are utterly screwed if they trade Smith. No equal value insofar as defensive centers are few and far in between and to rare to give up for a Shawn Marion type like Smith.

and Smith loses weight through two a days and puts it back on to guard PFs for the franchise. Yellow Journalism at its finest!

Big Dawg

May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm

Let me clarify my trade. To make it work, Orlando would have to send Turkoglu and I’m sure they’d love to dump him. Any thoughts????

Big Dawg

May 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm

Joe Johnson and Al Horford for Dwight Howard and H. Turkaglu (Orlando is gonna lose Howard after next year anyway, getting Horford makes it more palatable). Trading Joe Johnson is gonna free up this team. How many times has Joe been out and someone (like Marvin) stepped up and had a great game. Everyone looks to Johnson to score and when he’s not there, they all score. Make it happen.

joey1

May 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm

big dawg, orlando would never agree with that trade, the numbers match up but the personell doesnt.

joey1

May 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm

1 marvin williams and al horford and a 2nd round pick for andrew bogut and john salmons, that would fix or center issue and replace jamal bench production

Man Man

May 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm

KevinM,
Much Love Yo.These guys are crazy trying to trade Josh yo

TinyTee

May 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm

You have to trade Smith. This season was his worst in terms of fighting with his team, and his coach. You can’t have one guy in the locker room telling everyone to listen to him, and not the coach. Doesn’t matter who you put in for coach, it’ll be a matter of time before Smith makes them his 3rd victim.

The guy is great in the paint, but he’s a total headcase, who’s literally “fought” with coaches. He’s not a good guy at all, completely un-coachable.

YoDog

May 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

YOU PEOPLE IS CRAZY.

Fightin w/coach, his team, reporters, jerkin it infront of childrens! HE MAKE THE GAME EXCITING & fills seats!

This aint no boys choir, it’s a MANS SPORT TIME TO MAN UP ATL!

tidog

May 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm

Horford is good and would be missed, but not like Smith would be missed. It’s easier to find a comparable Tito Jr. more so than a enigmatic Josh Smith. Now that Teague has broken the glass ceiling the Hawks have a up tempo guard that could make the Hawks run. I feel the uptempo game is better suited for Smith and not Horford. Drew may need to leave if he can’t do better with his motion offense and transition offense. They bumbled many fast break opportunities in the playoffs because they’re so unaccustomed to running the break offense

Trade good for Smoove

May 23rd, 2011
2:21 pm

They’ve let him get away with too much. When you tell a kid he is the “future”, it goes to his head, and lets him run the place.

If traded, he would have to show up to practice on time, run hard, stay late, you know, all the things one does to impress their new bosses.

He’s too comfortable and in control of the coach and owners.

He’s also possibly one of the dumbest guys in the NBA, trade might help “expand” his mind a little.

WTF

May 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm

So
“They’ve let him get away with too much. When you tell a kid he is the “future”, it goes to his head, and lets him run the place.
If traded, he would have to show up to practice on time, run hard, stay late, you know, all the things one does to impress their new bosses.”
So Josh Smith doesn’t show up to practice on time. Is this from recently or what where r u guys getting this stuff from? Never seen this reported.

“He’s also possibly one of the dumbest guys in the NBA, trade might help “expand” his mind a little.”
Based on him being a 6′8 power forward who has to shoot to try to open up driving lanes? What is a 6′8 power forward with no strength to overcome it do? Put on 20 #MORE pounds? geez

Life Coach

May 23rd, 2011
3:16 pm

Have to agree on Josh not being very smart.

Didn’t he hire a “Life Coach” to help him “envision” himself sinking the 3? He just had to close his eyes, and see himself making the shot for 20 minutes every day.

Josh wasn’t bright enough to hire a “common sense” coach, who would have instructed him to spend an extra hour after practice working on the 3 instead.

He’s got value now, lets get something good for him while he still has the value.

WTF

May 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm

pretending to masturbate? lmao that’s not how u do it and if so Kobe and Sam Caseel need fines too:

I live in the Lakers area he got it from Kobe lmao. U guys want to get rid of your good players and want to avoid the elephant in the room: Josh Smith is a better 3 than Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague needs the ball more than Joe Johnson who needs to accept his role as an offball volume shooter once you get another PF or C for Marvin Williams who does nothing on offense and cannot help 6′8 240 Smith or 6′10 240 Horford on the boards.

It would be acceptable if Williams were a rebounding speed devil like Dennis Rodman or a girthy guy like Dejuan Blair but you guys have him out there for floor spacing or “shooting” really? lol

6′8 Joe Johnson 6′10 Horford and 6′8 Smith don’t take enough jumpers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfOUwKyJwN4

Life Coach

May 23rd, 2011
3:30 pm

Have to agree with a lot of the statements about Smith, his lack of work ethic, and his seemingly low IQ.

Didn’t he hire a “life coach” to help him envision himself hitting the 3? Okay Josh, next time hire a “common sense coach”, because it only takes extra work on the court to make this goal happen.

He really isn’t the brightest bulb in the bunch.

joey1

May 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm

it would be dumb to trade j smtih
trade marvin williams and al horford and a 2nd round pick for andrew bogut and john salmons, that would fix or center issue and replace jamal bench production

Life coach

May 23rd, 2011
3:59 pm

He isn’t the smartest guy in the world.

Didn’t he hire a life coach to help him envision himself sinking the 3? Here’s a new flash for Josh, hire a common sense coach, and just spend some more time on the court after practice.

The problem with dumb people is that they make bad decisions, and are inconsistent. Sound like anyone we know?

decriz

May 23rd, 2011
4:13 pm

Josh Smith is the Atlanta Hawks. Stop thinking of moving Smith. Try to move Joe Johnson instead do whatever it takes. Next year’s team will be different with the emergence of Jeff Teague alone. Fix that Joe Johnson bad move now and move him.

decriz

May 23rd, 2011
4:18 pm

fix the Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams bad moves now! The Kirk Hinrich bad move (giving up too much) you can’t do anything about that now, can’t recover your goods. Another looming bad move to come is the ‘letting Jamal Crawford walk’ bad move…don’t make the ‘giving up Josh Smith’ bad move..

Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams are the biggest mistakes here, so as long as those mistakes exist on the team, the team will get nowhere…

PF/SF rebounding still an issue

May 23rd, 2011
4:25 pm

@ joey1

Hawks problem is that they like the rest of the league are fascinated with guard play and don’t pay attention to their frontcourt.

If we trade Horford (C/PF) and Williams (SG-SF) for Salmons (G) and Bogut (C). That would mean we have a hole at the starting 3 or 4. John Salmons is a good PG-SG and mediocre SF defensively/getting quality shots/rebounding wise and is certainly not a PF.

I suggest getting Larry Sanders as a PF with Bogut at the 5. Thus our 3, 4,5 become very athletic and interchangeable on defense.
Teague gets Smith and Sanders who can run and Bogut and Johnson who can post up.
Johnson at the 3 may be pretty to c him dribble in circles trying to evade the wingspans of Lebron, Deng, Pierce etc but we become Golden State without the fan support if we do that.

Teague-Johnson-Smith-Sanders-Bogut

good size but relies on Sanders and Teagues development. Sanders can dunk and recieve passes from Bogut and Smith but Teague is going to be the most dynamic player on our roster as far as size on defense and ability to get 8-10 free throws a game and draw doubles and find seams.

This roster has a lot of potential but Horford needs to go for a real center and power forward. We will not get a talented young SF for Williams nor a talented young center for Smith.
Williams must leave or Hawks face ruin and these two cannot be packaged together in a league that is so size depleted where its draft has no 7 foot players at the combine and Keith Benson is 220 pounds.

PF/SF rebounding still an issue

May 23rd, 2011
4:27 pm

Joe Johnson’s contract is bad but at least he can defend his position and become a role player off of Teague’s/Josh’s double teams.

An objective source I think it was called “rotoworld said this of Marvin is a liability on both ends.
“Hawks coach Larry Drew is considering a “big” lineup for Game 4, moving Jason Collins or Zaza Pachulia to center and Marvin Williams to the bench.
Atlanta had success with such lineups earlier in the season, and it doesn’t seem as though they have much to lose by trying. Al Horford has been ineffective on offense, Josh Smith has been erratic at best, and Marvin Williams has been a liability on both ends.”

Big Ray

May 23rd, 2011
4:44 pm

You also had one guy who actually shows up in the playoffs and another who did a vanishing act. One has been lights out when it comes down to the postseason and he doesn’t care if he plays the 3 or 4, whatever betters the team. The other didn’t show up and seems to be locked into the mindset of playing one position.

You call 15 points and 8 rebounds on 42% shooting “lights out” playoff performance?

superiorblogman

May 23rd, 2011
8:02 am
Anybody that says let’s trade Josh Smith, I invite you to a no holds barred bare knuckle brawl to the end. Anytime, anyplace, so I can beat some since into you.

WAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! Internet ninjas are SO funny.

Josh is the hawks

May 23rd, 2011
4:55 pm

That’s the problem. They are a good team, unable to shift into high gear. That’s the Hawks, that’s smith.

Trade j-dummie

Drewsmith

May 23rd, 2011
4:58 pm

Smith didn’t like being benched. Not a fan of a young guy flipping off his coach, and trying to lobby against him behind his back.

This is the second coach smith has done this to. Let young Josh try that in la and see what happens.

ag

May 23rd, 2011
5:01 pm

Wow, I am so tired of this infatuation will Boget. Can he really help the Hawks more than Josh or Horford? Also, Orlando is NOT trading Howard – ESPECIALLY IN THEIR DIVISION. Can we really move on? Why do we want Milwaukee players anyway? Salmon was a FA last year and we did not attempt to sign him. WTF said it best; there is an Elephant in the room that nobody wants to see. With Teague running we will be better and he can give us 15 ppg just by running the floor. Josh is not the problem, Horford at center is not the problem, Joe not being a leader is not the biggest problem. It is our starting SF who averaged 4 points during the ECF. Lastly, if he would have played better, he would have started EVERY game, not just two!

Teague Smith Johnson Sanders & Bogut

May 23rd, 2011
5:04 pm

Please, the Hawks problems cannot be pinned solely on one player.
Based strictly on their ability to defend AND how they score This is their lineup.

PG-SG- SG/SF-SF-PF
Teague or Hinrich and Johnson in the backcourt
then we get to the SF, PF, C the rebounding nitty gritty play in the paint positions

Williams (liability on both ends, better at SG ie when JJ was out)
Smith (SF, plays power forward because lack of power forward, cannot post up bigger players has to beat them off dribble, they sag off he has to shoot so he can pump fake and drive next time. Not Rocket Science people)
Horford (a speed center, a good defender considering he has small wingspan height and is not extremely heavy ala Chuck Hayes or athletic/wingspan to offset this)
without considering depth
look at Detroit ‘03: offPG-offSG-defSF-offPF-defC
look at Miami ‘06: PG-SG-SF-PF-C
look at Chicago: PG-SG-SF-PF-C
look at Boston when they won (Perkins and Garnett) and lost Garnett and Davis at center.

Defense wins. Offense comes and goes. Trade Horford (young value) and Williams for Larry Sanders and Bogut and hell we could get a 2nd round pick.

Then if you want to trade Smith for a traditional “shoots 3s but can’t defend or is over the hill” small forward you go ahead.
Best one on the market is probably Granger although Iguodala can play that part some but Iguodala is a better post up scorer and leak out player from the 2 guard position.

Hawks have options