Is NHL abandoning Thrashers, Atlanta after rescuing others? (UPDATED with Bill Daly Q-and-A)

Gary Bettman was high profile in Atlanta prior to 2008 All-Star Game but not much since.

Gary Bettman was high profile in Atlanta prior to the NHL All-Star Game but not much since.

(UPDATED at 4:50 p.m. after my Q-and-A with NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. Full transcript follows the column.)

This isn’t to absolve the Atlanta Spirit of responsibility for all this because, as we’ve come to learn, stability and agenda of ownership almost always dictate whether or not a sports franchise succeeds — and the Spirit has long had different agendas for the  Hawks and Thrashers.

This certainly isn’t to absolve Don Waddell, the Thrashers’ former long-time general manager and current team president, of responsibility because as the only executive who has been on campus from day one, he had the biggest hand in putting an inferior product on the ice for too many seasons.

But where is the NHL in all this?

Has Gary Bettman, the commissioner, stood at a pulpit on the corner of Marietta and Centennial Olympic Park Drive the way he did in the desert outpost of Glendale, Ariz., and screamed for hockey’s existence in Atlanta (especially given this is a top 10 TV market and Phoenix isn’t)?

Is the league coming to the rescue of a franchise in a desperate situation, the way it did in Buffalo and Nashville and Ottawa and Pittsburgh and even Tampa (Atlanta also is bigger than all of them)?

Atlanta seemingly is in the midst of being dumped on and abandoned by the NHL. Again. The first time was in 1980 when Atlanta Flames owner Tom Cousins needed money for his other business ventures, so he sold the team to a Canadian who moved them to Calgary. The NHL did nothing.

Now Winnipeg is circling the Thrashers. This comes after Bettman pleaded with Phoenix Coyotes fans and local business people to step up, and Glendale – destined to become the most bankrupt city in the United States – committed $25 million a year for up to 10 years to keep the team.

What do we get in Atlanta? Mostly silence — and what has been said is not comforting.

Asked Thursday if he could guarantee the Thrashers would play in Atlanta next season, deputy commissioner Bill Daly responded: “Nope. I can’t guarantee that.”

Daly denies reports that an announcement about the team being sold and moved is imminent: “There is nothing that has been done, nothing has been planned and nothing has been scheduled. Certainly, no transaction has been agreed to, not that I’m aware of.”

But the mere fact that he left the door open says all you need to know.

Daly says the league is doing all it can to keep the NHL in Atlanta. Sorry. I need evidence stronger than noncommittal soundbites. There’s a big difference between the NHL saying it wants a franchise in Atlanta and doing something about it. The league has the hammer to prevent franchise moves but hasn’t swung it, at least not publicly.

The Thrashers intersect with relocation rumors more than they do playoff races. But when this stuff circulated last year, Bettman put the kibosh on it. He told me that the league was “committed” to Atlanta, and considered the market “very important.” He said he believed the Thrashers could overcome their off-ice issues and “ultimately the franchise can be successful.”

He said he expected that one day “the franchise will be in a better place.” Then he laughed, realizing that was a poor choice of words given rumors of a move. “What I mean is, the franchise will be in a better situation,” he added.

Bettman said everything an Atlanta sports fan wanted to hear. He even took the extremely unusual step for a sports commissioner of criticizing an ownership group. (Excerpt: “It’s difficult to operate a franchise when owners aren’t getting along.”) He addressed how the league has come to the aid of struggling franchises in the past, and last week he circled back to those warm-and-fuzzy themes when asked about the potential relocation of  the Coyotes, which the league had been operating.

When asked by Yahoo why the NHL is fighting for Phoenix, Bettman responded, “Because we fight hard for every city. …  Because we have a covenant with our fans, and our fans need to know that we will stand by them as long as possible and that we don’t just run out.”

Great speech. Not sure how much it carries in terms of substance. I’m getting a visual of water running through a colander.

I’ve stated this before: If the Thrashers are moved, it won’t be because Atlanta failed as an NHL market, it will be because ownership and management failed. Fans can’t be expected to run back and support a product after feeling burned and relatively abused for several years. When fans stay away from a team that misses the playoffs in 10 out of 11 seasons, that doesn’t make them difficult, it makes them smart.

The NHL appears on the verge of making a huge mistake. If other teams feel bad about the Thrashers possibly moving to Winnipeg, they’re not saying.

Maybe they all like the fact the league would get a $60 million relocation fee out of the deal. For $60 million, you can buy a new conscience.

Here’s my Q-and-A with NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly on Thursday:

Q: Where do we stand with the Thrashers?

A: “That’s more a question for [part-owner] Bruce [Levenson} than it is for me. He’s the one working on trying to find new ownership for the franchise. We’ve been working with him closely for a number of years in efforts to sell the franchise. Those efforts are ongoing. But there is nothing that has made sense to this point.”

Q: Can you guarantee the team will be in Atlanta next season?

A: “Nope. I can’t guarantee that.”

Q: So what are the chances of the Thrashers being relocated?

A: “I’m not into handicapping. I’m usually wrong.”

Q: Can you address rumors that a franchise sale and a move to Winnipeg is pretty much done and that an announcement is imminent?

A: “There is nothing that has been done, nothing has been planned and nothing has been scheduled. Certainly, no transaction has been agreed to, not that I’m aware of.”

Q: Have the Thrashers had negotiations with True North?

A: “I wouldn’t comment on that. That’s something you would have to ask the Thrashers about.”

Q: That’s not exactly a denial.

A: “But I would say the same thing even if I knew for a fact that they had not spoken to somebody. It’s not my role to publicly talk to the media about who Bruce Levenson might or might not be talking to.” [Note: Levenson told the AJC on Wednesday: “We are continuing to seek solutions for the Thrashers. I will not comment on any speculation.”]

Q: You and commissioner Gary Bettman both made frequent trips to Phoenix to speak publicly about the Coyotes staying there, but there has been no similar efforts in Atlanta. Why not?

A: “The situations are very different from a host of perspectives, not the least of which are the bankruptcy issues we had [in Phoenix], the fight in bankruptcy court and the league having to purchase the club. There were a unique set of circumstances that required the league’s presence in Glendale. The bottom line is, we owned that club.”

Q: I understand that. But does that preclude you or Gary from coming to Atlanta to show support for the franchise and help the process?

A: “No, of course not. If there was some reasonable sense that a public appeal would move the process along, then something would be done. But we’re not at that point.”

Q: Can you understand why Atlanta hockey fans might feel like the NHL is abandoning them, especially given the league’s silence?

A: “Again, what that opinion lacks is any real information as to what we have been doing over a number of years. There have been efforts to sell the club. We feel it is best that franchises not be relocated and we’ve made a commitment to keep franchises in the marketplace. Everything we’ve done with the Thrashers is consistent with that.”

Q: But not to the point of guaranteeing that they will remain in Atlanta?

A: “Correct.”

Q: You don’t find that response in conflict with Gary saying that the NHL is committed to cities and has a covenant with fans?

A: “No, because as I just tried to explain, nobody really knows exactly what we’ve been doing. But over a course of years, what we’ve done for the Thrashers franchise has been very consistent with what we’ve done for other franchises.”

By Jeff Schultz

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407 comments Add your comment

jojo

May 12th, 2011
6:05 pm

IF THE THRASHERS MOVE, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE DON WADELL AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE ATLANTA SPIRIT GROUP WITH THEM, AS NONE OF THESE LOSERS ARE WELCOME IN THIS CITY.

Kanarstead

May 12th, 2011
6:06 pm

The Thrashers are gone.

If you think the Thrashers are bad now just wait. In the modern free agent world good players have their pick, not a whole lot of players are going to want to spend winters in Winnipeg.

Yes Winnipeg will get a team, a team that will stay in the basement.

AJ Biles

May 12th, 2011
6:06 pm

Wherever the Thrashers go, I will follow. I’ll miss going to games though. We really need to get this third-grade ownership/management drama out of the way so we can start working on all that talent we have on the ice. We have all the ingredients for a Stanely Cup team, we’ve just got to get an owner/coach up in there to put it all together. To Management: You’ve got three months, boys. Get it together. To fans: Don’t give up yet. There’s always a rainbow after a storm. Stanley Cup, anyone?

J-man

May 12th, 2011
6:08 pm

What’s really sad about this lack of open help by the NHL to resolve this in a way that keeps the team here is that there are great, devoted fans here who’ve been saddled with an inferior product since day 1. The fans have delivered on their end of the deal. Late in 2010 the panic alarms set off on attendance with Don Waddell saying that the team was in trouble if attendance didn’t pick up. So what happened? The fans responded and attendance picked up. Yet no matter what the fans do, it’s never enough.

The All Star game was here. Philips rocked. Even the Canadian press said at the time that Atlanta did a great job hosting. The Thrashers made the playoffs and Philips rocked. What was our reward as fans after that season? Don Waddell took a hatchet to the team budget and the team made no effort to retain free agents or to sign helpful new ones. The inevitable result – disaster on the ice. Yet as always that was the fans’ fault somehow.

So Mr. Bettman and Mr. Daly, where exactly is our help? Every other troubled franchise in the NHL since the Jets moved to Phoenix has been helped in a very public way by the NHL except ours. But we get told basically “Trust us. We’re doing some stuff behind the scenes. Even though there’s no evidence at all of it. We’re doing it. But as to what we’re doing, well, we can’t tell you that. And as far as helping you actually get a local buyer, well, we can’t promise we’re doing that either. Will your team still be here next season? Yeah, can’t really promise that either. But trust us.” The only thing I can figure is that Bettman and his cronies love Phoenix as a travel destination and not as an NHL market and that is the real reason that they are getting the love we are being denied. And that really sucks.

BobbyG

May 12th, 2011
6:09 pm

BobbyG

May 12th, 2011
6:10 pm

That was just on Home Ice on XM Radio

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J

May 12th, 2011
6:10 pm

Sage, f you … that is all.

Mickey Lolich

May 12th, 2011
6:12 pm

Canada sucks.

Steven

May 12th, 2011
6:13 pm

If the Thrashers leave us and the members of ASG aren’t burned on Marietta Street, everyone needs to boycott the Hawks and Phillips Arena. If we lose another NHL hockey franchise, I doubt we will be getting one in Atlanta again. This sport is so much fun to watch. It’s a shame that this franchise has been terribly mismanaged since its inception. Please don’t leave us Thrash!

BobbyG

May 12th, 2011
6:18 pm

Does anyone think that the Horrible situation with Danny Heatly could have caused this teams fate? Cause we had the pieces with Kovy Savard and Heatly to make numerous cup runs but we had to alter our whole franchise after he decided he wanted to leave….just throwing it out there….obviously the ownership group took a knee shortly after they got the franchise but I always wonder what could have been…..no disrespect to Dan Snyder..thoughts?

Thrashers fan

May 12th, 2011
6:18 pm

I dont understand how a group calling themselves “Atlanta Spirit Group” could be so disinterested in the city. Sickening. I wish we could overthrow them for the good of the city and the Hawks and Thrashers.

Flames, Knights, and Thrashers Fan.....Sigh!

May 12th, 2011
6:22 pm

I don’t think we can blame the NHL for this mess. It lies at the feet of Atlanta “Spirit”…easily one of the most dysfunctional ownership “teams” in sports history. It’s a shame that we’ll likely lose ANOTHER hockey team, but unless somebody local has the funds and the courage to step up, it’s probably happening sooner than I would like. Sad for sure. Very interesting and informative article. Thanks for your efforts, Jeff.

Shame on ASG

May 12th, 2011
6:23 pm

Every person who cares need to come to Phillips on select a seat day (even if cancel) and go nuts on showing their support for NHL and lackof support for the ASG stooges…..lets get 18000 down there going absolutely ape. May 21

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 12th, 2011
6:23 pm

To Gary Bettman, Bill Daly, et al………..

Don’t pee in our ear and tell us it’s raining.

“That’s more a question for [part-owner] Bruce [Levenson} than it is for me. He’s the one working on trying to find new ownership for the franchise. We’ve been working with him closely for a number of years in efforts to sell the franchise. Those efforts are ongoing. But there is nothing that has made sense to this point.”

But all these same years, we’ve been told that the team wasn’t for sale and they weren’t looking for a buyer. Forgive us, if we don’t believe a damn word you say, now.

Batcork

May 12th, 2011
6:26 pm

Bunch of chaff from Daly. League has been plenty visible and vocal in other situations not involving a league owned team. See Penguins, Preds. Deflecting to Levenson is BS. The league has a big say about sale & move even if ASG/TNSE filed for relocation before 1/1/11. And a HUGE say if they didn’t. Six months time to find a local buyer is not an exhaustive attempt. This thing really has a stench to it.

WTF?

May 12th, 2011
6:31 pm

All these years of losing is the reason why this is all shaking out the way it is. So many NHL stars have gone through the revolving door that is the Atlanta Thrashers. It’s a shame but it’s reality. I’m sad for the situation but I’m moving to Chicago in 2012 where the Blackhawks could go 0-82 and still have 100% fan support, allbeit a lot of criticism for losing 82 games !!! I would like to see Evander Kane and Chris Thorburn in Chicago. Add them to the team and they would be back in the finals guaranteed!

Big time.....not

May 12th, 2011
6:37 pm

No one cares except the yankees who moved down here and also pull for tech. ……..same marketing campaign. 4 tickets, 4 cokes, 4 hot dogs.

EA

May 12th, 2011
6:38 pm

I keep thinking about the last few games at Philips. The fans were asked to show up to let a prospective buyer know we have strong fan support. The fans showed up with big crowds despite the fact that we were out of the playoffs. Are Bettman and Co. aware that had the fans been let in on the effort that was going on behind the scene (according to Daly) to save the Thrashers as well as find a new owner, the fans would have done their part too?

Sr. Atlanta

May 12th, 2011
6:39 pm

I am a diehard Thrasher fan but too many things working against the ATLANTA Thrashers:
1. Canadian Oil money
2. Comish Bettman is PRO Canada. When there is an opportunity to get a franchise “back” to Canada, he’s going to work hard to make it happen.
3. Thrashers lack of fan support, attendance and making the playoffs.

I hope I am wrong! I will cry like a baby if hockey leaves the ATL.

Don't Care

May 12th, 2011
6:41 pm

I read the article but really and truly I don’t care. Sell them and move them already.

There’s one primary reason Hockey doesn’t do well in Atlanta, and if ya’ll can’t see what’s in front of you then tough.

Winnipeg, Canada

May 12th, 2011
6:44 pm

A slippery slope.

Thrashers = Gone? That's good

May 12th, 2011
6:49 pm

the quicker they’re outta here the better then we can get on to worrying about the teams that play here instead of ones that don’t anymore.

Atlanta isn’t a hockey town and Ownership doesn’t know how to handle a hockey team … that’s enough variables to help them out of town.

Tom Lysiak

May 12th, 2011
6:52 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe – exactly. How in the world can that be true when this was pulled directly from the lawsuit?

“Plaintiffs would not have incurred these losses if they had had free and clear title to the Thrashers and thus had the ability to sell or otherwise dispose of the franchise.”

Liars covering for liars?????

LAC

May 12th, 2011
6:54 pm

As for the Atlanta BLACK hawks, I have been given tickets for years and they go right into the TRASH CAN, Lived here since 1969 and have NEVER attended a hawks game and NEVER will !!!
They STINK and nba basketball is a felon & thug sport ! Waste of time ! & Money !

Tom Lysiak

May 12th, 2011
6:56 pm

This also from the lawsuit:

““Potential buyers talked with Plaintiffs about acquiring the Atlanta Thrashers. However, because they had been unable to acquire Belkin’s interest and were entangled in the Maryland litigation, Plaintiffs could not convey free and clear title to the franchise and thus were not in a position to sell.”

How can you help someone sell something that is not “in a position to sell”???????????

Kane337

May 12th, 2011
7:05 pm

I swear if the ASG sells the Thrashers to another town I will never watch or attend another Hawks game until they are owned by someone else.

Kane337

May 12th, 2011
7:09 pm

During the Thrashers ONLY playoff run there were many sellouts and averaged over 16k fans per game. It’s not the fans fault the ownership group does not know how to run a team. Why waste your money on a losing product. Don’t punish the fans due to ownerships incompetence.

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boom boom

May 12th, 2011
7:18 pm

Winnipeg wins the cup in 2020.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:19 pm

Docsnbro — Thanks.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:20 pm

Willie Boy — Thanks, I wasn’t here for the Flames but I certainly followed (and covered) hockey in that era. It was great.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:20 pm

Thanks Smoothie. I’ll check out the blog if you don’t take my job.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:21 pm

Thanks Nate.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:22 pm

Me — It’s the chicken-egg argument. What comes first? Coverage or fan support? Fact is, the more interest shown by fans, the more coverage something gets. It’s not media’s job to sell tickets, it’s up to the product and the folks pushing the product.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:23 pm

Hoofty — You answered your own question. Tradition cultivates fans. Thrashers not only failed to grow the fanbase, they burned the fans they already had. That takes time to repair.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:23 pm

JSS — You’ve never heard from me that there was a legitimate buyer out there.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:25 pm

Barb — Hah, I don’t think we need another arena.

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:25 pm

Kovy’s Agent — Yep.

Sean

May 12th, 2011
7:26 pm

If Winnipeg wants a team that bad then why don’t they push for an expansion team?

Jeff Schultz

May 12th, 2011
7:26 pm

Shame on ASG — “Gary gets his 60mill to appease owners…ASG break even …fans lose completely..”
— That sums it up nicely. Good job.

Sean

May 12th, 2011
7:26 pm

Also what happened to Glavine going in as part owner?

Kane337

May 12th, 2011
7:29 pm

I don’t think anyone was going to buy the Thrashers and keep them in Atlanta if the ASG was not going to include the stadium also.

TheJAW

May 12th, 2011
7:29 pm

Atlanta is a strange sports town but they seem to like that way…..first, there was Georgia Tech.and then the Atlanta Crackers,,,then the Braves..then The Falcons…….maybe thats enough to satisfy folks in this town. its a party town we dont need all that other stuff

TheJAW

May 12th, 2011
7:31 pm

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DaveDawg

May 12th, 2011
7:32 pm

Yeah, the NHL owns the Phoenix franchise because it saved it instead of letting it fold. Now the NHL is trying recoup all of the money it has spent saving Phoenix by letting the Thrashers relocate and collect a relocation fee.

Atlanta is home 5+ million people and a good number of them came from northern, hockey-mad cities. It blows my mind how incompetent a hockey ownership group has to be to fail here. And now it blows my mind that the NHL hasn’t realized the potential either.

steve from Dalton

May 12th, 2011
7:34 pm

For years the NHL has fought the stereotype that it is a regional northern sport. Lack of a quality TV deal has not done much to help things. If Atlanta loses the thrashers, it will do more harm to the NHL than the city of Atlanta. It will just help to reinforce the regional sports theory.

Self Respect

May 12th, 2011
7:36 pm

Thrahsers fans should not feel bad, insecure or upset. Fans in this city reacted as any reasonable fan base would react to the kind of product offered here….and that includes Canada.

The bottom line is that the best thing possible for hockey fans in Atlanta is to have the Thrashers, their sorry management, and pathetic ownership swept out of town. This body is dead and the corpse has been rotting from the inside for some time now.

But there is a silver lining: the NHL, like most sports leagues will surely give Atlanta another team. In doing so they will collect another expansion fee, once again enter a Top 10 market, and fill an other empty arena.

Do not worry Thrashers fans – the NHL will be back. I 100% guarantee it.

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alex

May 12th, 2011
7:41 pm

daly said ask levenson. heard levenson at local news before hawks game. no good. by the way check attendance lovely braves. it’s like hockey 13000-15000. Atlanta worst sport city in America. only dawgs get people on stand on regular basic. hockey still second best sport for me after soccer. sure Winnipeg going to get 110% attendance good luck thrashers i am sure you find success there. what a game between Canada and Russia on world champ. Russia won 2:1. Canada out. winning goal by kovy.

Paddy

May 12th, 2011
7:44 pm

LAC……I hear you and I agree. Basketball has lost sooooooooooooo many fans. The NBA is not good entertainment any longer for all the reasons you have mentioned.