Is NHL abandoning Thrashers, Atlanta after rescuing others? (UPDATED with Bill Daly Q-and-A)

Gary Bettman was high profile in Atlanta prior to 2008 All-Star Game but not much since.

Gary Bettman was high profile in Atlanta prior to the NHL All-Star Game but not much since.

(UPDATED at 4:50 p.m. after my Q-and-A with NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. Full transcript follows the column.)

This isn’t to absolve the Atlanta Spirit of responsibility for all this because, as we’ve come to learn, stability and agenda of ownership almost always dictate whether or not a sports franchise succeeds — and the Spirit has long had different agendas for the  Hawks and Thrashers.

This certainly isn’t to absolve Don Waddell, the Thrashers’ former long-time general manager and current team president, of responsibility because as the only executive who has been on campus from day one, he had the biggest hand in putting an inferior product on the ice for too many seasons.

But where is the NHL in all this?

Has Gary Bettman, the commissioner, stood at a pulpit on the corner of Marietta and Centennial Olympic Park Drive the way he did in the desert outpost of Glendale, Ariz., and screamed for hockey’s existence in Atlanta (especially given this is a top 10 TV market and Phoenix isn’t)?

Is the league coming to the rescue of a franchise in a desperate situation, the way it did in Buffalo and Nashville and Ottawa and Pittsburgh and even Tampa (Atlanta also is bigger than all of them)?

Atlanta seemingly is in the midst of being dumped on and abandoned by the NHL. Again. The first time was in 1980 when Atlanta Flames owner Tom Cousins needed money for his other business ventures, so he sold the team to a Canadian who moved them to Calgary. The NHL did nothing.

Now Winnipeg is circling the Thrashers. This comes after Bettman pleaded with Phoenix Coyotes fans and local business people to step up, and Glendale – destined to become the most bankrupt city in the United States – committed $25 million a year for up to 10 years to keep the team.

What do we get in Atlanta? Mostly silence — and what has been said is not comforting.

Asked Thursday if he could guarantee the Thrashers would play in Atlanta next season, deputy commissioner Bill Daly responded: “Nope. I can’t guarantee that.”

Daly denies reports that an announcement about the team being sold and moved is imminent: “There is nothing that has been done, nothing has been planned and nothing has been scheduled. Certainly, no transaction has been agreed to, not that I’m aware of.”

But the mere fact that he left the door open says all you need to know.

Daly says the league is doing all it can to keep the NHL in Atlanta. Sorry. I need evidence stronger than noncommittal soundbites. There’s a big difference between the NHL saying it wants a franchise in Atlanta and doing something about it. The league has the hammer to prevent franchise moves but hasn’t swung it, at least not publicly.

The Thrashers intersect with relocation rumors more than they do playoff races. But when this stuff circulated last year, Bettman put the kibosh on it. He told me that the league was “committed” to Atlanta, and considered the market “very important.” He said he believed the Thrashers could overcome their off-ice issues and “ultimately the franchise can be successful.”

He said he expected that one day “the franchise will be in a better place.” Then he laughed, realizing that was a poor choice of words given rumors of a move. “What I mean is, the franchise will be in a better situation,” he added.

Bettman said everything an Atlanta sports fan wanted to hear. He even took the extremely unusual step for a sports commissioner of criticizing an ownership group. (Excerpt: “It’s difficult to operate a franchise when owners aren’t getting along.”) He addressed how the league has come to the aid of struggling franchises in the past, and last week he circled back to those warm-and-fuzzy themes when asked about the potential relocation of  the Coyotes, which the league had been operating.

When asked by Yahoo why the NHL is fighting for Phoenix, Bettman responded, “Because we fight hard for every city. …  Because we have a covenant with our fans, and our fans need to know that we will stand by them as long as possible and that we don’t just run out.”

Great speech. Not sure how much it carries in terms of substance. I’m getting a visual of water running through a colander.

I’ve stated this before: If the Thrashers are moved, it won’t be because Atlanta failed as an NHL market, it will be because ownership and management failed. Fans can’t be expected to run back and support a product after feeling burned and relatively abused for several years. When fans stay away from a team that misses the playoffs in 10 out of 11 seasons, that doesn’t make them difficult, it makes them smart.

The NHL appears on the verge of making a huge mistake. If other teams feel bad about the Thrashers possibly moving to Winnipeg, they’re not saying.

Maybe they all like the fact the league would get a $60 million relocation fee out of the deal. For $60 million, you can buy a new conscience.

Here’s my Q-and-A with NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly on Thursday:

Q: Where do we stand with the Thrashers?

A: “That’s more a question for [part-owner] Bruce [Levenson} than it is for me. He’s the one working on trying to find new ownership for the franchise. We’ve been working with him closely for a number of years in efforts to sell the franchise. Those efforts are ongoing. But there is nothing that has made sense to this point.”

Q: Can you guarantee the team will be in Atlanta next season?

A: “Nope. I can’t guarantee that.”

Q: So what are the chances of the Thrashers being relocated?

A: “I’m not into handicapping. I’m usually wrong.”

Q: Can you address rumors that a franchise sale and a move to Winnipeg is pretty much done and that an announcement is imminent?

A: “There is nothing that has been done, nothing has been planned and nothing has been scheduled. Certainly, no transaction has been agreed to, not that I’m aware of.”

Q: Have the Thrashers had negotiations with True North?

A: “I wouldn’t comment on that. That’s something you would have to ask the Thrashers about.”

Q: That’s not exactly a denial.

A: “But I would say the same thing even if I knew for a fact that they had not spoken to somebody. It’s not my role to publicly talk to the media about who Bruce Levenson might or might not be talking to.” [Note: Levenson told the AJC on Wednesday: “We are continuing to seek solutions for the Thrashers. I will not comment on any speculation.”]

Q: You and commissioner Gary Bettman both made frequent trips to Phoenix to speak publicly about the Coyotes staying there, but there has been no similar efforts in Atlanta. Why not?

A: “The situations are very different from a host of perspectives, not the least of which are the bankruptcy issues we had [in Phoenix], the fight in bankruptcy court and the league having to purchase the club. There were a unique set of circumstances that required the league’s presence in Glendale. The bottom line is, we owned that club.”

Q: I understand that. But does that preclude you or Gary from coming to Atlanta to show support for the franchise and help the process?

A: “No, of course not. If there was some reasonable sense that a public appeal would move the process along, then something would be done. But we’re not at that point.”

Q: Can you understand why Atlanta hockey fans might feel like the NHL is abandoning them, especially given the league’s silence?

A: “Again, what that opinion lacks is any real information as to what we have been doing over a number of years. There have been efforts to sell the club. We feel it is best that franchises not be relocated and we’ve made a commitment to keep franchises in the marketplace. Everything we’ve done with the Thrashers is consistent with that.”

Q: But not to the point of guaranteeing that they will remain in Atlanta?

A: “Correct.”

Q: You don’t find that response in conflict with Gary saying that the NHL is committed to cities and has a covenant with fans?

A: “No, because as I just tried to explain, nobody really knows exactly what we’ve been doing. But over a course of years, what we’ve done for the Thrashers franchise has been very consistent with what we’ve done for other franchises.”

By Jeff Schultz

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407 comments Add your comment

Barb

May 12th, 2011
4:24 pm

Great article. This sums it all up. Would love to see a new owner build an arena for the Thrashers at the old GM plant in Doraville. A more central location for all the hockey fans in the north suburbs.

KLS1

May 12th, 2011
4:27 pm

Hoofty – I grew up in Philly and the Eagles were terrible and couldn’t draw 10,000 people.

The difference is the Flyers are winners and were in the Stanley Cup last year. We have no buzz around this team because they are terrible and always have been terrible…what’s to talk about, other than the lottery pick or relocation?

If they were good maybe transplants like you would convert to be a Thrasher fan and attendance would go up and we wouldn’t be discussing this right now.

clark kent

May 12th, 2011
4:36 pm

C’mon Jeff, we all know they’re giving away peace prizes in cracker jack boxes nowadays.

Good article though, glad someone is sticking up for the fans here; build it and they will come.

JLC

May 12th, 2011
4:36 pm

Don’t let the door slam you on the as on the way out of town…C-ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jackets21

May 12th, 2011
4:38 pm

Good article Schultz. Glad someone give a crap. Between crappy management, idiot owners, corrupt NHL, and incompetent city officials, the only thing supporting this team is fans and players. How come none of this relocation talk existed when the Hawks sucked terribly for something like 20ys.

JoshuaPrayedFervently

May 12th, 2011
4:38 pm

OK Islanders should move but i think the BOG has a rule that a Stanley Cup Winning Franchise does not leave town.

Hip Check in Decatur

May 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

So if they move to Winnepeg, who gets the spot in the East? Detroit in order to rekindle rivalries? Or that city in Ohio?

TheAntiMe

May 12th, 2011
4:39 pm

Bettman’s a tool. He can bite me!

Paddy

May 12th, 2011
4:42 pm

The idea that the South (Atl) will not support hockey is a myth and repeated by others to the point that some actually believe it. Hockey can thrive in any market big enough to support the cost. It takes great ownership and and marketing that places value on the game. once you get a fan to buy a ticket (not give it to him /her) and he or she enjoys the experience, they will come back as paying customers. Once you give a fan a free ticket to a game he will never buy a ticket again. Sports Management 101!

Joe Friday

May 12th, 2011
4:42 pm

I believe Bob McKenzie, he’s solid with his info, here’s what he just tweeted (I think we’re all being played by the Spirit to up the sale price and force the hand of any local buyer to come forward and do the deal and up the sale price because “oh no, we could go to WhineyPeg!”):

“For those asking, it’s possible Thrashers may move to WPG for next season but deal not done or close to done, I’m told. Lets revisit next wk”

KSUAlum

May 12th, 2011
4:44 pm

Sure, Jeff, we’re a top 10 TV market, but that doesn’t help the Thrashers when only two or three of every four games isn’t on local TV… What’s up with that?

KSUAlum

May 12th, 2011
4:45 pm

As well as the fact that you can’t listen to the radio broadcast unless you’re within four miles of the city center…

Shame on ASG

May 12th, 2011
4:48 pm

Jeff

You should be proud…..you have called out asg for who they are. Gary,ASG, etc blame the fans for not showing….what a shame!
These people have an agenda that is not in line with the fan. They have all lied and you need to continue dig into these phonies….
I could go on but I think you are on track…..
Gary gets his 60mill to appease owners…ASG break even
…fans lose completely..what a fraud
Keep fighting the good fight jeff

Glenn

May 12th, 2011
4:50 pm

Ok fine my childhood Islanders stink and if the Thrashers are moved to the whitest section of suburbia all will be fine with Atlanta hockey . Long live the whale and brass bonanza while were at it .

jim

May 12th, 2011
4:52 pm

A truly toxic mix – the NHL and the Spirit group – they actually deserve each other.

Ga30306

May 12th, 2011
4:54 pm

Another example of why college sports are better. No greedy owners, no greedy players (except Cam Newton), no relocations.

Daniel Amsler

May 12th, 2011
4:54 pm

While I feel for the fans of the Thrashers (and the Atlanta Flames before them) the problem is that by refusing to go to games because the product on the ice is poor, in a market that is not “groomed” for hockey, can only lead to the situation that you have now.

Even accepting the fact that the management of the Thrashers is inept, by not financially supporting the team, especially a team relatively new to the market, not only sours the current owners, but scares off any “white knights” looking to buy the team as well.

Ultimately, a team lives (and yes dies) by whether its fanbase supports it both emotionally and financially…

Darkhorse

May 12th, 2011
4:56 pm

The Thrashers are the only reason I make the trek into the city much anymore. What a shame these moron owners couldn’t run it even halfway right from the time they took over.

Please no more bush league ownership(if there is one that steps up) for this franchise. What would be hilarious is if the league decided to sue the ASG for mismanagement and lack of intelligence in running this team into the ground, forcing the NHL to spend more time and effort finding a solution.

Sage of Bluesland

May 12th, 2011
4:57 pm

Whoever continues to buy season tickets and continues to give even a single more dollar to these undeserving frauds….I have just one word to describe you.

Sheep.

Give this ownership what they have long-deserved. Losses.

Matt from MN

May 12th, 2011
4:58 pm

My “anger meter” is just going higher and higher. The NHL is going to leave for the second time. The fact that the playoffs this year have been so great to watch, just makes me even more furious that ATL can’t be a part of it.

“Atlanta Scumbag Group”, I despise the very ground upon which you tread!! I will NEVER support the Hawks or Philips Arena again if they choose to let this team go.

Matt from MN

May 12th, 2011
4:59 pm

Sage… choke on it you complete and utter Troll!

Eileen

May 12th, 2011
5:02 pm

It looks like the fans who thought the NHL would step in and save us from the ASG before showing up at the games is not going to work. Empty seats are not attractive to prospective buyers.

Kovy's Agent

May 12th, 2011
5:04 pm

Wow, Jeff, that updated Q&A with Daly makes me feel even worse. His non-committals and no comments really speak volumes. Sad, sad indeed.

Eileen

May 12th, 2011
5:05 pm

Joe Friday, I hope you are right!

Jim

May 12th, 2011
5:06 pm

Cry me a river..Now you care. WELCOME TO BLUELAND

Ravenwynd

May 12th, 2011
5:12 pm

Wow. Just wow. Please Mr Daly, educate us poor ignorant fans in Atlanta how the NHL has done so much to help this franchise.

Shame on ASG

May 12th, 2011
5:14 pm

Jeff

Keep digging something stinks
What exactly has the NHL done?
These owners are wealthy people they are not in financial dire straits….this is all wrong
Bill Daley is a joke and was not honest

Jeff97

May 12th, 2011
5:14 pm

The whole thing still makes no sense to me. Why would you move this franchise to Winnipeg? There are absolutely no advantages to the league. 6 million market compared to a 750k market. Good weather, to crummy weather. we have a nicer, bigger arena (albeit it needs some upgrading). Winnipeg was not even drawing that well when the left over 15 years ago. All we need is some competent owners and this team will thrive in this market. We have not been given that opportunity yet.
if the NHL allows the team to relocate without any fight, it just simply wont make any sense on any level.

Shame on ASG

May 12th, 2011
5:15 pm

Jeff97

Correct but these are greedy people

Hip Check in Decatur

May 12th, 2011
5:17 pm

Now that I’ve seen the Q&A…
Nashville moves to the Southeast, Minnesota moves to the Central and Winnepeg fills the opening in Northwest. We’re getting the Norris back together!!!

B. Thenet

May 12th, 2011
5:17 pm

So Daly is chasig down old men rambling at Glendale City Council meetings, but the magical behind the scenes “search” for Atlanta owners has managed to elude all media and NHL sources?

Why wasn’t Matt Hulsizer wasn’t sent our way?

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May 12th, 2011
5:19 pm

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glacialspeed

May 12th, 2011
5:19 pm

I don’t want a single penny of my tax dollars to go towards keeping a freaking hockey team in Atlanta. Sorry, hockey fans.

Thrashers Fan

May 12th, 2011
5:22 pm

oh god. This doesn’t look good.

The Truth

May 12th, 2011
5:22 pm

Good questions Jeff – boy did Daly come off like a complete jerk.

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Winnipeg Wisdom

May 12th, 2011
5:24 pm

Dear American friends:

I would let you have the Thrashers, and all the other Canadian teams, just to have my Expos back in Montreal. Heck I would even throw in the Blue Jays to complete that trade.

Andy Jordan

May 12th, 2011
5:25 pm

To respond to your last paragraph: I don’t think it’s that there’s no sympathy towards the Thrashers moving, it’s just the super strong support of having a franchise in Winnipeg. Myself? As much as I want the Thrashers to stay, I would love to see Winnipeg get a team and would rather see them move there than anywhere else. I know they can take better care of them than our owners have.

Atlanta Spirit Sucks

May 12th, 2011
5:28 pm

Sage would like some really good info on Donny and the owners?

LAC

May 12th, 2011
5:29 pm

Well that;s it folks !!!!!!!!!

bill daley and bettman are now in bed with PROVEN LIARS, and NHL hockey is finished in Atlanta, Thanks levenson, I will find you one day you lying PUNK !

William Satterwhite

May 12th, 2011
5:29 pm

Reading the Q & A, does anyone else find it interesting that Daly refers only to Levenson when discussing the owners? Gearon is on the record as saying he wants to keep the team in Atlanta and that he himself is willing to remain involved but if I’m not mistaken, Levenson hasn’t had any public comments other than to say what amounts to “no comment”. Is it possible that part of the problem here is that there is conflict within the ownership group as to what to do? In another article, Daly refers to having to sort things out with the owners in Atlanta, is it possible he means sorting out the sellers as opposed to anything having to do with the buyers?

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Old School

May 12th, 2011
5:40 pm

Thrashers – Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you – Good bye and Good Riddance.

b

May 12th, 2011
5:42 pm

Hell on Ice

May 12th, 2011
5:49 pm

It’s ice hockey. This is Atlanta. Who cares? Really?

Pascal Dupuis

May 12th, 2011
5:53 pm

I gotta say that after reading the q and a I feel worse than I did before. Jeff, I thought that they couldn’t pursue a sale until 6 months ago? What’s this talk about working with ASG for two years on a sale??? This smells really bad….like Daly is using this “behind the curtains” crap to justify apathy and letting this happen without any fight.

Devildog

May 12th, 2011
5:54 pm

Hey, calm down. It’s only hockey, aye? Who cares as long as college football season starts on time?

EA

May 12th, 2011
5:57 pm

Hell on Ice, A lot of us care. Sorry if it is not your sport. Go ask the fans in Tampa if they care about their team being the Eastern conference final. It’s Florida. Try to get a ticket and you will find out how many people in the south actually care about hockey.

ThrasherFan

May 12th, 2011
6:02 pm

After the no guarantee comment, the team is on it’s way out of Atlanta. It will be a sad day for Atlanta if this does happen. My support for the NHL will end completely but I’m sure they won’t care. Would love a buyer to rescue the team and fire Waddell immediately upon signing the dotted line. Waddell, ASG, you can all go to h*ll for what you’ve done to this team and city. But I bet your pockets are fat with cash regardless. Well done NHL – and F you.