Van Gundy: Hawks’ Hinrich deal better than Carmelo trade
Here's Kirk Hinrich knocking the ball away from Dwight Howard in game one Saturday.
ORLANDO — I think Stan Van Gundy just said Kirk Hinrich is better than Carmelo Anthony.
OK, not quite. But the Orlando Magic coach did declare the Hawks’ trade for Hinrich was the best deal any team made at the NBA trade deadline, including the New York Knicks’ acquisition of Anthony from Denver.
Whether you think Van Gundy is telling the truth or just trying to sweet talk the Magic’s opponent between games of their playoff series, here’s the quote on Hinrich: “He’s always been one of the best defensive guards in the league. Going back to when I was in Miami and he was in Chicago, I’ve always thought he was one of the best guys guarding [Dwyane] Wade. He can guard at both guard positions. He’s got good size. He’s extremely tough. He’s smart and a great competitor. Up until this year he had been a real up-and-down shooter. That was his main flaw. But he’s shot extremely well this year.”
And now, Van Gundy’s big finish: “Long before the playoffs got here, I thought of all the moves made at the trade deadline — and I know everybody got jacked up with the New York thing because of the names involved, and I’m not saying that was a bad move — I thought [the Hawks’ move was the best of all the moves. It was great. It was only one guy. They didn’t make the changes that New York did late in the year. What they did was take a smart tough guy and incorporate him.”
The Hinrich trade has been a matter of debate in Atlanta since it was a made. It was a five-player deal with Washington: Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong for Mike Bibby (who never played there), Jordan Crawford, Maurice Evans and a first-round pick.
There’s little question Hinrich improved the Hawks at point guard and gave them a better starting five. He did a good job defending Jameer Nelson early in the Hawks’ 103-93 win Saturday. (Nelson had 27 points but he was held to one point at halftime and didn’t start scoring until Hinrich went to the bench.)
The difficult part of the trade was the Hawks’ decision to part with rookie Jordan Crawford (who went on play in 26 games, start 18, average 16.3 points, 3.9 assists and had a 39-point game) and the draft pick.
Given Van Gundy’s comment, I thought it would be worth throwing it out there again. What are your thoughts on the Hinrich deal?
By Jeff Schultz
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Ben
April 18th, 2011
1:45 pm
I think the verdict on the hinrich deal is still out. We need to see how we finish these playoffs before fully evaluating the trade. I still think we should of been able to at least keep one of the other in the 1st rd pick or Jordan Crawford. I didn’t feel we needed to give them both in the deal.
Chris
April 18th, 2011
1:47 pm
It made them better at the point defensively. It seemed like Bibby was bothan offensive and defensive liability. by imporving on defense with Hinrich (even without offense) is an overall improvement. Is he the long term answer? Probably not. Giving up the draft pick hurt though. It hinders them from getting a PG or true Center in the forseeable future.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 18th, 2011
1:47 pm
The best deadline deal was OKC getting Perkins hands down. If Kirk continues to play like he did in Game 1, it is a good short term deal, but given what the Hawks gave up to get him and the fact that the trade was only necessitated by their refusal to develop Jeff Teague, it’s a stretch to rank it ahead of either the Perkins trade for OKC or the Melo trade for both teams.
Ben
April 18th, 2011
1:47 pm
verdict is still out on the Hinrich deal until we see how we fare in the rest of the playoffs. I just thought we didn’t have to give up both the 1st rd pick and Jordan Crawford in the deal. We should of only been able to give up 1 of the 2 but not both.
Jeff Schultz
April 18th, 2011
1:48 pm
Chris — Hawks had to do something. Bibby was dreadful at the end. Always was a defensive liability and offense got worse. Seemed like he stopped caring (in addition to getting older).
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
1:54 pm
I think a good GM could have made the trade without giving up Jo. Crawford. Didn’t Atl give up a draft pick in this dead as well? Hinrich’s deal is up after next season too, right? Hawks gave away too much. Hinrich is a good pickup, but give up Crawford or the pick. Not both!
tremaine
April 18th, 2011
1:56 pm
The hawks should have started TEAGUE and put Bibby on the bench rather than giving up so much for one player.
“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”
Chris
April 18th, 2011
1:56 pm
I agree Jeff… Something had to be done. Now it could be just a simple situation of addition by subtraction, but Hinrich has defenitiely improved the team’s overall defensive numbers. The Hawks’ Opponent’s Point Per Game has dropped by about 4 since he has arrived if I’m not mistaken. I definitely feel like the move was made to improve the team. Unlike the move to bring Farnsworth and Ankiel to the Braves at the deadline last year. That was just a move for the sake of making a move.
MJC
April 18th, 2011
1:57 pm
For this year, I like our deal. Let’s see how it pans out in the future.
Also, Denver got the better part of the Carmelo trade.
Michael
April 18th, 2011
1:57 pm
A related question…What has Bibby done for Miami? I haven’t paid much attention to his stats since he arrived there. It would be interesting to see how his stats compare for this season here vs. in Miami.
hmmmm........
April 18th, 2011
1:57 pm
The Hawks gave up a good bit to get him and if he doesn’t resign here in the off season it was a terrible trade. Well unless they win it all. but i don’t see it happening
hmmmm........
April 18th, 2011
1:59 pm
Bibby has a been a nice 3 point threat for the heat but thats about it
Rut Nanny
April 18th, 2011
1:59 pm
Better deadline deals:
Battier to Memphis
Perkins to OKC
Package that Denver got for Melo
Landry to New Orleans
Just another case of Van Gundy running his stupid mouth.
Michael
April 18th, 2011
1:59 pm
And Bibby did play 2 games for the Wizards.
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
2:03 pm
Larry Drew, the GM, and all the hawks scouts should be fired anyway,
MJC
April 18th, 2011
2:03 pm
@hmmmm…..
Hinrich’s contract doesn’t expire until summer 2012
wxwax
April 18th, 2011
2:04 pm
How much playing time would Jordan Crawford have earned on this Hawks team?
By contrast, the Wizards threw him out there because they don’t have much else. He eventually turned into a productive player for them.
But with the current roster in Atlanta, I’m not sure he would have gotten the minutes to develop his game.
(ps I’m getting tired of this Teague talk. The guy has had the chance to prove his worth and what he’s demonstrated is supreme inconsistency.)
frelemur
April 18th, 2011
2:07 pm
Its a good move. I didnt like that they gave up crawford and a pick but a late first round pick in this draft isnt going to ammount to much. The 2012 draft is the one to focus on.
hmmmm........
April 18th, 2011
2:07 pm
The Hawks still need a true center for certain teams. Tyson Chandler is gonna be a free agent
hmmmm........
April 18th, 2011
2:08 pm
oh thanks
Rev in Tampa
April 18th, 2011
2:08 pm
Two Cliches:
1) The proof of the pudding is in the eating and 2) the regular season doesn’t matter in the NBA.
Given the truth of those two statements it is hard to argue with what Hinrich has given the Hawks against the Magic, but I think Teague could have given the Hawks the same defensive result.
Obviously Teague could not give the same leadership and experience that Hinrich gives, but he very well might in the near future. Maybe he could now if Drew had given him more minutes earlier in the season.
So my conclusion is that the Hawks gave up JC2 and a first round pick unnecessarily. I’m glad that Bibby and Mo are gone however.
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
2:09 pm
wxwax…Teague has not been given a chance, he’s made mistakes, but that’s going to happen with young pointguards. the only thing inconsistent has been his playing time.
Section 303
April 18th, 2011
2:13 pm
I think they had to make a deal of some kind. Had the trade deadline come-and-gone without a move, the organization would look like they weren’t even trying. At the time, I was thinking the Hawks would make more than one move. And, they almost did. There were a lot of people saying that the Hawks were shopping Josh Smith at the deadline, but asking for too much in return.
If the Hawks win this series with Orlando and show well the rest of the playoffs, then I think the deal was a good one (assuming Hinrich plays well, of course). The playoffs, as we learned last year, will be the ultimate judge of the entire season, as well as the Hinrich deal.
By the way, regardless of the end result of this postseason, I still think the team needs to be shaken up. Not just in a minor way, either. Betting Josh Smith names continues to surface in trade rumors up until the draft and then after the lockout.
Section 303
April 18th, 2011
2:15 pm
wxwax, you need to pay attention closer. Teague is a good player. I used to think like you, but I’ve changed. Teague has shown he can play.
I’m not saying he’s a savior. Just saying he can play and should be given a shot to contribute in the playoffs.
tremaine
April 18th, 2011
2:16 pm
“How much playing time would Jordan Crawford have earned on this Hawks team?”
He would have got plenty of playing time once the hawks got rid of the other Crawford but they will be forced to offer another bad contract.
(ps I’m getting tired of this Teague talk. The guy has had the chance to prove his worth and what he’s demonstrated is supreme inconsistency.)
Teague has out played every point guard on Atl roster this year when given the chance but unfortunately when he makes one mistake you never see him again.
Eric
April 18th, 2011
2:18 pm
He’s playing mind games the deal was OK. The deal Orlando made was horrible they sent four of their best players packing and have gotten nothing from the three guys they got. Plus none of the three play any kind of defense.
HarryHawkins
April 18th, 2011
2:22 pm
Hinrich has been a great addition and so far it has been a good trade. The first round draft pick may hurt us, and it’s a little tough giving up both Crawford and the pick….but one in the hand is worth two in the bush (especially now since all the chicks are shaved).
joe
April 18th, 2011
2:23 pm
no problem with part of the trade, Sund just gave too much. Crawford or a draft pick, not both! If the Hawks renew Sund’s contract I’ll be shocked(and mad). He has been as inept as some of the players….
ATL born and raised
April 18th, 2011
2:23 pm
We will see how good this trade is in the second round if the Hawks can defeat Orlando. The Magic are not the same team they were a year ago. Dwight is much improved, but they miss the offensive production of Carter and Lewis. The Hawks have won a 1st round series before. Let’s see how Kirk does against his former team, but nobody can guard D-Rose right now.
HarryHawkins
April 18th, 2011
2:23 pm
It was a good deal, maybe not a great one.
phil
April 18th, 2011
2:24 pm
I thought the Magic would sweep us easily for starters…first to admit, and glad, I’m wrong…As for the Bibby trade, good riddance. Heinrich has been ok but this “team” only wins when JJ and Smith decide to show up and play….i suspect we’ll soon be seeing them exit stage right….Smith is already whining about his elbow….setting up the excuse…
HarryHawkins
April 18th, 2011
2:24 pm
Hawks will win it in the ATL.
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
2:25 pm
Joe Johnson can’t be traded, Horford shouldn’t be traded, but otherwise, everyone (although I like Teague, and would keep Zaza) should be offered up for something. The front office, along with the coaching staff (I kinda like coach Bender) should be sacked. regardless if we beat the magic or not.
HarryHawkins
April 18th, 2011
2:25 pm
We can win if we show up with a Big Johnston. If the small one shows up we’re in trouble.
KOOL
April 18th, 2011
2:27 pm
Nice catch, Michael… Bibby did play @ Washington and wore #00
Samuel James
April 18th, 2011
2:28 pm
Loved the Hinrich deal hands down, and I said it before: the measure of KH is his playoff body of work in these playoffs. On paper, we gave “a little too much” in trading JC2 too, but it is my contention that the totality of pressure for Suund to make a PG change overlapped what we gave up in JC2. It also explains why he had trouble making deals on the deadline-we were desperate (Why else didn’t we get something decent for Crawford’s expiring contract?)
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
2:28 pm
Hubie Brown even said as much on TV during the broadcast, and everyone knows Hubie Brown is always right.
AJ
April 18th, 2011
2:29 pm
Don’t forget about the very athletic Hilton Armstrong. I hope to see more out of this young man if he can get more PT. If I were LD I’d take Armstrong over Powell or Etan Thomas.
James on Pharr Rd
April 18th, 2011
2:29 pm
Loved the Hinrich deal hands down, and I said it before: the measure of KH is his playoff body of work in these playoffs. On paper, we gave “a little too much” in trading JC2 too, but it is my contention that the totality of pressure for Suund to make a PG change overlapped what we gave up in JC2. It also explains why he had trouble making deals on the deadline-we were desperate (Why else didn’t we get something decent for Crawford’s expiring contract?)
JSS
April 18th, 2011
2:34 pm
Everyone knows that the Hawks tried to move 3 players at the deadline (Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza). The Bibby /Hinrich deal is only questioned because of the cost (JC2 and the upcoming 1st round pick). I was happy to see Evans go. I hated that he had an option year in the first place. The question of just how good Jordan Crawford will be is a big if. He would only get that kind of shot volume as he is getting in Washington after Jamal leaves. The Hawks were in a panic to do something about that perimeter d… And we know they don’t trust Teague to run the team…
Reid Adair
April 18th, 2011
2:36 pm
Stan Van Gundy has been drinking the proverbial Kool-Aid at the ASG offices, apparently.
The Hawks gave away too much for Kirk Hinrich (forget the other guy who has been a non-factor).
SWAT Native
April 18th, 2011
2:36 pm
I like the trade, but of course I would have liked it better if the Hawks had gotten Jevale McGee rather than Armstrong.
tremaine
April 18th, 2011
2:37 pm
It’s amazing how when the hawks have one good win everything is right with the world. Get real people. They are still the team that lost like 5 games by 30 points or more. If Dwight Howard get any kind of help the hawks are done.
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
2:38 pm
Teague isn’t going to be given a chance….we can all pine for it, but he will play mop up minutes. lD has no faith in him. A DNP in Game 1 and the win will seal Teague’s fate this series.
On the Hindrich deal, we were desperate and Sund showed no experience in his negotiations with a team going nowhere. We could have done better with Houston and maybe Portland. I gve Sund a D for this trade. What’s ignorant is how he and LD continued to try to convince fans that Bibby was in his prime and kept giving him minutes even if it meant little or no production.
Now that he is gone, I will be more than receptive to see how thisnpans out with Hindrich. He hasn’t been here long enough to feel comfortable.
I still think though that Teague is getting a raw deal and I fault LD 100%.
We’ll try to move forward
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
2:39 pm
ID=LD in previous post.
clay
April 18th, 2011
2:40 pm
I think its a great deal. Ill take defense all day over a little offense. As long as he can score 10 dish out a couple of dimes and grab a couple of boards. Ill take it all day if thats the case and the hawks would win more that way than not.
James on Pharr Rd
April 18th, 2011
2:41 pm
Outside of the elite point guards-Williams,Paul, Rose,Westbrook,Kidd,Rondo,Parker, Billups and Miller-Hinrich is considerably better or as good as the other guards. Since we couldn’t get any one of the above, I dont mind settling for top 13 out of 30 choices for a position that is very important in our conference. (I purposely left out Harris,Nash, Curry or Martin because KH is significantly better on the D side)
Gene Rayburn
April 18th, 2011
2:43 pm
I like Hinrich as well . But the dude is getting long in the tooth & we gave up multiple players & a one pick . Even with getting Hilton Armstrong we gave up to much . That being said he is a gamer & was wanted by other teams .
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
2:48 pm
KH doesn’t help us long term and we will continue to flounder at PG.
The 13th best PG isn’t going to be good enough to be a serious contender going forward.
Only a LA or Miami will be the exception to that rule.
It is not possible IMO for Sund to move this team forward, But I will be there Friday and show m support for a team who is inconsistent at best.
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
2:51 pm
You know why other teams want KH? As a short term fix to get them some depth, not to start him and givenhim major minutes.
LD’s task is to use him in a role best suited for the remainder of his ability. I will say KH will always have JJ Redick worried about breaking another ankle going forward!
BravesFan79
April 18th, 2011
2:53 pm
I think Kurt was the best Pickup.. but not the best trade. We gave up to much to get him.
Its a shame how Melo has tried to change the Knicks from Amares team to his team, and they are paying the price for Carmellos selfishness! The Knicks were better off BEFORE melo!
ICECOLD
April 18th, 2011
2:54 pm
JJosh smith is going to be the major factor for the next game…I’m still holding my breath on this serious… i always said they are going to win the series… remember what shaq said.. van gundy is a master of panic… if The hawks win next game .. expect them to panic… the next game.. Howard will be in early foul trouble, nelson will try to do to much, and it might even be a fight between Collins and dwight ….a small one. I’m sure instead of passing down low so much in the game tuesday… they are going to jack up shots more, force shots…. and if they not hitting. This game could get ugly too…
I just don’t want the hawks to get over confident and only jack up shots instead of taking it to the basket !!!! We will see..
Like i said. To me , josh smith is the best all around player on this team. So I think game two will be on h8 shoulders and his energy !!!
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
2:55 pm
LD sure has some weird rotations doesn’t he? No room for Teague and Wilkins in Game 1? They are a huge piece of our success going forward IMO.
Seems like LD isn’t making anyone but the core comfortable with minutes.
Wink
April 18th, 2011
2:56 pm
If it was about defense we had Teague on the bench who could provide that. Bibby could not guard opposing point guards, but he could hit the 3 ball (47% avg) and could have been a spot up shooter. Now if the trade was for Bibby & Mo Evans for Hinrich & Armstrong, I am not sold but okay. Now when you throw in Jordan Crawford another scorer ( who is our 2010 first rounder & insurance when JC1 leaves) and our 2011 pick, that’s to much for a journeyman point guard, who allowed not one but two rookies to take his job…way to much!!!!
But you got to like the Van Gundy spin on the Hinrich trade!
DC
April 18th, 2011
2:57 pm
The coach came out with this b/c the Hawks are playing with an edge and a chip on their shoulder due to all this smack talk the magic players have been saying…ie..”see you in the second round *hug*..and the Dwight howard comments after the game he lost. I’m not buying this for one sec.
GT Alum
April 18th, 2011
3:01 pm
It’s hard to form an opinion on anything this team does because they blow so hot and cold. Yes, Hinrich makes them better now. But, it’s not like their record post-trade is better than before the trade, or they improved their playoff positioning. In the end, results are what matter. I think we’ll figure out the value of this trade in the coming weeks.
If we just beat Orlando, was it really worth it? Yeah, the Hawks will have beaten the team that dismantled them in the playoffs last year, but, if they can’t get out of the second round, they’re really in the same position they were last year. Can they make it to the conference finals? Is that really enough, given that they gave away their 2010 and 2011 draft picks? Of course, these are Atlanta Hawks draft picks, which somewhat lessens their value, considering the Hawks’ history of drafting and developing young talent.
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superiorblogman
April 18th, 2011
3:03 pm
Kirk is a lateral move at best, with the ability to go backwards. I personally contend that it has already went backwards because we took on more salary, with fewer guys on next years roster, and gave up essentially two 1st round picks and we are not getting to the ECF’s.
In addition, he is also in the way of Teague getting the minutes needed to grow, let’s be clear as long as there are vets on the team that have made a name for themselves they will be trusted over Teague. We are gonna end up giving Teague away just like we did Jordan.
Lastly, Kirk has had 2 to 3 good games since coming to ATL. He reminds me a lot of Marvin on these boards, and the way LD treats Jamal, when Marvin has a good game his supporters use that for the next month to tell everyone of his great potential as he takes the rest of the month off. When Jamal makes a shot it seems to buy him another 4 minutes on the court even though he is giving up double the points with his horrible defense. We can not win in the longrun with this blind allegiance to players rather than the franchise or organization. We made it to the 2nd round two years in a row with Bibby people. We win 1 game against a team that has messed there team up worse than ours, and some guy SVG, who is known for panicking and blowing things out of proportion makes another disproportionate statement and here we go with this same discussion again.
ICECOLD
April 18th, 2011
3:04 pm
Oh.. and the kirk trade was the best defensive trade…. but not the best offensive trade!!! But I will say when kirk is actually looking for his shot, he shoots it at the right time and gives a lot of energy… when mike bibby use to shoot… it was bail outs.. now the hawks are forced to put up better shots before the shot clock wines down to far because that bail out three is not really their no more .. and Jordan Crawford is a player.. a baller.. he is good.. but he needed to go some where , where he could play… I doubt he would have got time on the lakers, the bulls, Tue celtics, the heat, or even the nuggets… he could easily score even more for Toronto , Cleveland , timbeewolves, maybe even golden state… so I’m not too mad..
And for people that think it was too much for one player…
We had a trade that was very lopsided , acie law , speedy claxton for jamal Crawford… all those scrubbs for bibby… the hawks got away with a lot of trades that shouldn’t have happened.. this trade is not as bad as being on the other end of the trades we did… and kirk is a decent starter, great defender… acie law and speedy claxton was terrible… speedy was injured , acie law sucked !!! And still do…
It’s just business !!!
Go HAWKS !!!
Joey
April 18th, 2011
3:08 pm
I always thought we would have to see what Hinrich could do in the playoffs before we could judge the deal. If he (and the Hawks) do well in the next couple of weeks, then Teague emerges next season, it will have been a good deal.
I did like Jordan Crawford though . . .
Sleepy
April 18th, 2011
3:24 pm
Jordan Crawford sucks and Teague is not a pure PG nor can he shoot well enough to mesh with our starters . Stop hyping these two guys up like a bunch of losers.
Once we resigned Joe what good is Jordan Crawford ? Where would he have played ? We get rid of two top 15 sg’s simply so we could play this guy ? Are some of you simply insane ?
Could Teague somehow develop into a better pro than Hinrich in the future ? Could Jordan Crawford somehow develop into a better pros than Joe and Jamal in the future ? YES THEY COULD ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE but once we resigned AL and Joe its no longer about 3-4 years from now its about the next two years ?
Some of Hawks fans are simply delusional these late first rd picks means nothing to teams who are trying to win .
You dont think Bulls would give up a late first this year and next to get someone like Vince carter into that sg position ? Playoffs teams dont sweat late picks to fill positions of need with proven nba players .
Rufus1
April 18th, 2011
3:33 pm
Judge Kirk by the playoffs…So far his is 1-0.
Shadowman_no9
April 18th, 2011
3:34 pm
Sleepy, you’re wrong….Teague doesn’t have to be a good shooter to mesh, Horford and Johnson are good enough, Teague problem is bad TOs that could be easily remedied (I think) with more PT and experience. I would also argue that Jordan Crawford is just as good RIGHT NOW, as Jamal Crawford. Obviously Joe is starting SG, but he needs a backup, and he can play SF, another good, long-term SG (like Jordan Crawford) fits in Hawks system just fine.
MaxxHawk
April 18th, 2011
3:43 pm
HORRIBLE TRADE. I mean you’re telling me we had to give up essentially 2 1st round picks for Hinrich? Sund got hosed on that deal, and it will set us back YEARS, as JC2 will be one of the most prolific scorers in the NBA, and we have no draft pick this upcoming year. We shouldn’t have resigned Mike Bibby in the first place. These kinds of decisions have a chain reaction. We could have traded Marvin BUST Williams and a 6″ Cold Cut Combo from Subway for Hinrich gimme a break we got SCREWED on that trade, Washington made out like bandits.
doc
April 18th, 2011
3:44 pm
it depends on the perspective as the nuggets liked what they did and were the best team donw the stretch from the all star game on. from which direction is svg loooking?
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tremaine
April 18th, 2011
3:56 pm
Sleepy
April 18th, 2011
3:24 pm
Jordan Crawford sucks and Teague is not a pure PG nor can he shoot well enough to mesh with our starters . Stop hyping these two guys up like a bunch of losers.
Once we resigned Joe what good is Jordan Crawford ? Where would he have played ? We get rid of two top 15 sg’s simply so we could play this guy ? Are some of you simply insane ?
Could Teague somehow develop into a better pro than Hinrich in the future ? Could Jordan Crawford somehow develop into a better pros than Joe and Jamal in the future ? YES THEY COULD ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE but once we resigned AL and Joe its no longer about 3-4 years from now its about the next two years ?
Some of Hawks fans are simply delusional these late first rd picks means nothing to teams who are trying to win .
You dont think Bulls would give up a late first this year and next to get someone like Vince carter into that sg position ? Playoffs teams dont sweat late picks to fill positions of need with proven nba players .
You are right some of Hawks fans are simply delusional and you are one of them.
James on Pharr Rd
April 18th, 2011
4:23 pm
Superiorblogman
Thats right, it is frustrating to see LD ignore the easy baskets JC gives up on D and continue playing him based on his out of sync jumpers. JC epitomizes why we are considered lackluster-when things are going well-like JC’s fade away jumpers, we can beat anyone, but when the game gets tight and offensive is hard to come by, JC becomes a liability on both ends and we cave in to our opponents.
mountain_jim
April 18th, 2011
4:27 pm
Anyone see how good Jarrett Jack looked last night? Hawks could have had him several times last few years, or longer and for much less given away than this trade.
If they win 2 series it was probably worth it, otherwise, gave up too much. And no I don’t think they will win this series, much less 2.
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Astro Joe
April 18th, 2011
4:36 pm
SVG likes to poke his finger in the eye of the “big dog”, rather that be the Heat, the Knicks or some other media-darling. The Hinrich trade was a good one because Jordan was the team’s 3rd SG and his greatest value was as a tradeable asset. The biggest downside to the Hinrich deal is if the ASG are somehow convinced that this team doesn’t need to lose at least 3 of the current top 6 players because Hinrich helps them deliver some heroic (short-term) effort.
KevinM
April 18th, 2011
4:41 pm
One game doesn’t make a series, but enjoy the ability to parlay it into a Hawk advantage. Melo vs. Hindrich? Makes no sense to even compare.
The Knicks weren’t going anywhere with their previous lineup and I don’t see them doing much now.
Teague needs some minutes to help KH. I would think JT could keep Jameer in check in small increments.
Jeff Schultz
April 18th, 2011
6:17 pm
MJC — That just means Hinrich has only one season left on contract.
Jeff Schultz
April 18th, 2011
6:19 pm
Wxwax — Jordan Crawford was not going to get minutes this season. Next season possibly, depending on whether Jamal Crawford is/was re-signed.
Jeff Schultz
April 18th, 2011
6:38 pm
JSS — “Everyone knows that the Hawks tried to move 3 players at the deadline (Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza). The Bibby /Hinrich deal is only questioned because of the cost (JC2 and the upcoming 1st round pick). I was happy to see Evans go. I hated that he had an option year in the first place. The question of just how good Jordan Crawford will be is a big if. He would only get that kind of shot volume as he is getting in Washington after Jamal leaves. The Hawks were in a panic to do something about that perimeter d… And we know they don’t trust Teague to run the team…”
…. I can’t believe it. Every single sentence is dead-on accurate. I’m writing this date down. (Hah!)
Boooo!
April 18th, 2011
7:02 pm
Smh….SVG is just playing mind games with Jameer. Trying to motivate him(taking a page right out of the Zen masters book). The magic won’t survive if Jameer only has 1 point at halftime again.
yodaddy
April 18th, 2011
8:30 pm
can’t believe yall are crying about a draft pick most likely in the 20’s in a year where everyone agrees is an extremely weak draft.
Hawks got rid of Bibby….we should throw a parade even if we don’t win the championship. Bibby at this point in his career is a bonafide scrub. He’s only 32 yet he can’t run, his perimeter defense is the worst in the league, he can’t shoot free throws, he doesn’t get to the line, he doesn’t drop dimes and has no lateral movement or sense of urgency whatsoever.
So in essence we gave up a draft pick scrub that wasn’t going to even play, Bibby who nobody wanted, Mo Evans (who cares about him?) and the one gem Jordan Crawford.
We got rid of the logjam at guard – More defined roles and less useless pieces
We got a starting PG that plays defense and plays with passion and heart.
We picked up Damien Wilkins off the street.
We got rid of Bibby’s contract.
We got rid of Bibby
drmondo
April 18th, 2011
9:33 pm
The draft pick they gave up only has value if it’s a different front office/coaching staff picking in the draft. The current group just traded away their likely high-priced flop they’d usually reach for. BTW, what’s up with the team having 5 centers on the active roster? It makes a little sense in this playoff series (fouls to give guarding Howard), but they played most of the season that way…
On a positive note the game Sat was great. I’m really glad to see they came out and played like they should every night. Watching Howard steam about the score was priceless. I really hope they go deep in the playoffs but ASG’s played Lucy to my Charlie Brown too many times to place a whole lot of trust in them yet.
yurgus
April 18th, 2011
10:07 pm
Impossible to gauge this trade before the playoffs, because Hinrich is a player built for the playoffs – he meets the ball at the point-of-attack, helps to slow the game down, and can be a go-to perimeter shooter in the clutch.This is how playoff games and series are won, and this is what happened to the Magic in Game 1 of this series. If the Hawks win this series, the proof of Hinrich will be right there, particularly in trade for a talented player who has basically been a head case and a low-end first round pick.
Willy
April 19th, 2011
6:38 am
I need someone to help me guard my feelings for the Hawks because I think I’m falling in love (again).
Notso Fast
April 23rd, 2011
7:37 pm
I ALWAYS LIKED CRAWFORED AND STILL THINK IN 2 YEARS YOU COULDN’T TRADE FOR HIM BY OFFERING ALL THE OTHERS PLAYERS INVOLVED IN THE TRADE. HE CAN SCORE AND SHOWED IMPROVEMENT IN HANDLING THE BALL. WILL GO DOWN AS A BAD TRADE UNLESS THE HAWKS CAN GO ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR.