NCAA tournament: SEC (Georgia) has passed ACC (Tech)

Not the FIRST time.

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Just my luck.

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It’s a bit like halley’s comet. It happens about once every 75 years. So take a picture, it won’t last.

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Umm…no.

Tech has certainly not helped the ACC’s cause, but the ACC is still the better conference.

Were people saying the ACC was better than the SEC in football in 2008 when the ACC sent 10 teams to bowl games? No, of course not, because an SEC team won the National Championship.

And this year, when Duke or UNC wins the NCAA, everyone will again be reminded that the ACC, even when down, is the elite basketball conference.

SEC wins football championships, ACC wins basketball championships.

Mark it down Dude.

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Glad the dogs are in and hope they can get a win , but i just finished my bracket and I have Belmont winning it all !

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SOUTH GA DAWG FAN,
Belmont? Care to place a wager? LOL!

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The ACC has been slipping in the past few years, just not this year. They will always have Duke/UNC and then not much else.

As for Bama, two games does not a season make. Play SOMEBODY in your OOC and then don’t go 8-6 in your OOC.

GT has a chance to get a good coach from a mid major but like Forrest Gump said, you never know what you are going to get. Hewitt was a victim of his own recruiting success, he would still be the coach had those guys not left for the NBA.

Did GT beat UGA in any sport this year? Let the hating commence.

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SEC may have more in, but I bet that the ACC has more teams in the Sweet 16 than SEC. And you can mark that down.

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The problem with the ACC is that: Hewitt wouldn’t go away, NC State ran off Sendek and replaced him with a mannequin, Skip Prosser tragically died, and Maryland, who is always solid, just had an off-year.

But Tech should bring in a good coach and is remaining plenty of talent. Maryland will rebound next year. Who knows about Wake or NC State? VPI always seems on the cusp of decency, but maybe they’ll finally spill over.

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ATL86, Duke and UNC are the only teams from the ACC that will make the sweet 16. Ky/Vandy will make it, maybe FLA.

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I am sure proud of the UGA team making it into the tournament and for the SEC as a whole this year. I don’t know if I would say the SEC surpassed the ACC this year, based on the number of teams in the dance. Let’s face it, when two of your teams are Duke and NC, and they make regular drives into the late stages of the dance and win it when they do a fair amount of times, It is hard to say the ACC is down too much. These two teams alone, are extremely well coached, and seem to get the players they need each year to be strong.
It is sort of like SEC football. The teams usually beat the heck out of each other in conference play, and one or two usually dominate in the standings for that year. A ACC team like, say for instance, GT might have a better record than say, Tenn. or UGA, but they probably couldn’t beat UGA or Tenn. the majority of the time.
I am sure am proud of the SEC teams this year, but in my mind at least, the ACC is still the better basketball conference of the two.

GOOOOOOOOO DAWGSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Rambleon84,
I disagree on the bowl invites. The basketball invites are done using 15 different criteria that are reviewed by a selection committee. The bowl invites are based on contracts. Nowhere near the same thing. The bowls are just looking for attendance ($).

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The number of teams a particular conference gets into the tournament is a matter of (the committee’s) opinion. Let’s count how many of each are left in the Sweet 16. That’s the true measure of conference quality.

BTW Top to bottom the ACC is better even in a down year. One would be wise to avoid the SEC and the BIG when filling out one’s bracket.

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Beast from the East

you pick a long shot and i will stick with belmont and which ever last the longest the loser has to praise the winners school of choice on a Shultz Blog . You in lol

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Schools have to qualify for a bowl appearance the same way they have to qualify for a tourney spot. The selection process is different of course, but it’s not only about contracts like you say it is.

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SOUTH GA DAGW FAN,
I’m in. I’ll take Oakland.

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It kills me but I gotta agree with you beast, LOL. It is all about the bucks. There are what now, 34 bowl games played after the regular season. This allows marginal teams to get into bowl games where, say 15 years ago, they would not have had a bowl to go to.
As much as I hate to say it, UGA and Tech. should not have been in any bowl game this year based on their records. The NCAA stipulates that you only have to win 6 games to be bowl eligable. If your team can draw a money crowd into a game, and you have 6 wins minimum, you most likely will get a bowl invite from some bowl or another.

GOOOO DAWGSSSSSSSS

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Jeff come on. Are you and Bradley both so sucked into the UGA pocketbooks that you are wearing rose colored glasses?

Fox has done a very admirable job in two years at UGA and this from a Jacket fan. Clearly the UGA bball program is in a better position that Tech at this time.

But you guys are talking out both side of your mouth when comparing basketball and football. Let’s be honest the SEC for the past 6 years has been king of the mountain in football but from top to bottom was it that much ahead of the ACC or Big Ten, maybe? At the upper echleon of the league there is no debate that the SEC is the best football program.

But yet it seems to be completely overlooked that the ACC has won the past two NCAA basketball championships. Also since 1990 the ACC has won 8 championships albeit mostly UNC and Duke. Are you really telling me that you think anybody in the SEC can play with UNC or Duke?

And Bradley last night tried to convince the home base that UGA IF they beat Washington can take down UNC who finished the season on a 19-3 run and and two of those losses were to Duke. Yeah they lost to Tech but I would dare say that UNC and Duke are probably the hottest teams in the NCAA outside of maybe UCONN. So quit being such a homer to declare UGA is better than UNC. Give me stats and reasons rather than editorial statements.

So let’s quit playing to the home crowd and be honest. UGA had a year that was unexpected and Fox seems to have things headed in the right direction at UGA. But remember Hewitt took Tech to the Finals in year 4 and that was the top of the mountain. Before you start declaring him the next great thing to come to Athens how about allowing 5 years to pass before we determine how good he is. I am not saying he can’t do all these things but right now Fox is getting way too much love when he is still just 24 months into the job.

And please stop with the SEC is better than the ACC as a whole in basketball. After the 5 programs in the SEC that go in who’s next Alabama? In the ACC, Maryland and VT are both teams deserving of consideration but both of them didn’t make it. You guys are stealing money from the AJC every time you write stupid stuff like this.

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THE TRUTH. Since 2000 Duke 2, Maryland, and UNC 2 all have won National Championships. Other winners Michigan St, Syracuse, UConn, Florida 2, and Kansas. So the ACC has 5 Titles and 4 other teams have the other 5 titles and you think the ACC is slipping?
I bet you think Charlie Sheen is WINNING too.

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Jeff,
Don’t be surprised if UT makes it, as well. If Pearl can get any type of consistent play out of them then they can play with anyone. Lots of talent up there in Knoxville.

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No, of course not, Jeff…but they are both indicators of the number of competitive teams within the conference are they not?

My point is just because you have a number of teams who are competitive does not mean you have a good conference. Again, the ACC in 2008 had TEN bowl-eligible teams!!! But the conference was not good because NONE of them was a real competitor on the national level.

And we are about to see shortly that out of the teams listed from the SEC and the ACC, only Duke and UNC are real national competitors.

Perhaps we should include NIT-qualifying teams if we want to make a comparison to bowl games.

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Schultzie,
You won’t be bought while I’m around. I may not have the influence or audience you do, but I won’t be undercut by anyone. I can currently be bought by little more than a pat on the back.

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Maybe next year they can have a ACC vs SEC in basketball. I’m sure the ACC has gotten tired of beating the Big 10/11/12 every year.

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This is all George Bush’s fault.

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@Jeff

you are 100% right…The SEC is 20x better than the ACC..I like how the refs let the kids play over there..Either you have good players or you dont!…Kentucky is the traditional power, but the refs give them nothing..If Ole miss has the best team, they will win the conference..In the ACC Duke and NC are going to be 1 and 2 no matter what!.I noticed the PLAYERS are the STARS of the SEC not the coaches…In the ACC its all about the COACHES..Coach K this, Coach K that..The ACC is a joke..I was happy that VT and BC sorry a$%’es were not invited to the NCAAS!…

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The GREAT BASKETBALL CHALLANGE was the ACC Big EAST challenge a few years back. The Big East stopped it because the ACC was killing them and their chances at High seedings in the NCAA Tourney. An ACC SEC Challenge will never happen. The SEC is scared to even try to go head-to-head against the ACC. That right there tells the truth if the SEC is better than the ACC.

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“Well, um, ah, we may not be much in football but for sure WE ARE a basketball school (GT) or a basketball conference.” Right???????????????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
SEC has done it again.

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Hewitt Fan
Give it a rest. THE REFS the refs it is all the refs. DUDE go love on your little Atlanta Celtics and scream and intimidate the AAU refs.

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Anyone that follows college hoops knows that the ACC is usually the best…..usually. I don’t think that is the case this year. I think people will be surprised at the SEC’s showing in the tournament. The conference was tough this year and I think that we could have as many as 3 teams make the Sweet 16. Having said that, we could also have none. That’s the beauty of the tournament. It’s all decided on the court……not by voters.

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The ACC still won 5 national titles over the past decade. It just got more polarized as DukeUNC separated themselves from the rest of the field.

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I am a total SEC homer and am proud that the conference outdid the ACC this year in hoops. That being said, just because the Dawgs enjoyed a better season than their in-state ACC rivals doesn’t mean the conference has surpassed the ACC in the sport as a whole. I know I’d much rather face Kentucky in the tournament than Duke.

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Kentucky has 7 national titles.
Florida has 2
Arkansas has 1

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Beast from the East, I was about to post the same thing. UF had a GREAT season. UNC got beat down in the ACC title game as well. Does that mean that UNC is a joke? No, it means anyone can be beat but the committee rewarded UNC and UF for their SEASON. Both were regular season conference Champs.

They completely deserve a #2 seed and could do some damage in this tourney. (and I’m a Georgia fan)

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ACC/SEC challenge?

Kentucky opens with Duke next year.

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@GTBob
If UGA played Duke, UGA would have the best 2 players on the court, Trey(CELTIC) and Lesile..FLA,KEN, and Vandy all have more talent than Duke..I was happy when they sent Duke out west and not to Charlotte with ACC refs like they do most years…If Fox would play his bench and quit the Booby Cremins iron man system, they will beat NC…Remember what happened to Duke last time they were sent out west..VCU 79 Coach k 77…When other conference refs do Duke games, they are not scared to blow the whistle at all…They make them play and then you see that Duke is protected by the ACC refs…In the VCU game, Paulus tried the famous DUKE FLOP and the ref looked at him like he was stupid…

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Florida is good but they should never have been a 2 seed over Kentucky or Uconn. They are easily the worst of the 2 seeds. It probably should have been Kentucky as a 3 and Florida as a 4.

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The SEC passes the eye test this season but I am not willing to disrespect the ACC and say that the SEC has passed them in basketball. The SEC has become just as capable at producing elite caliber teams but the ACC might still be better top to bottom and is more consistent. The ACC has always been about Duke and UNC with a random draw of some other team having a great season. The SEC used to be all Kentucky and Arkansas but has quickly evolved to Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee being consistent quality programs with several others having their random ups and downs.

All that said, ACC basketball is nowhere near SEC football. Sure, Duke and UNC produce a lot of basketball titles but that’s about it. Every once in awhile a team like Tech or WF sneaks into the Final Four but there is hardly any signficant depth to ACC basketball to put it in the discussion of SEC football.

SEC football has produced 4 different BCS Champions the past 10 years and 5 if you want to add in UT’s national championship a few more years back. Aside from that, the SEC typically has several teams in the final Top 10 as well as more just outside each year. I think that is a better display of depth without worrying about bowl and tournament invites or wins and loses.

A lot of people would argue that the Big East is more elite than the ACC in basketball as of late and are closer to SEC football than ACC basketball when measuring performance from top to bottom year in and year out.

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Going by SEC football fan logic the top teams in the ACC are better( elite is the word many use) and thus this makes the ACC the better conference. The ACC had somewhat of a down year but Duke and UNC are good teams with loads of talent….either one or both could make a run to the final four….I dont see an SEC team that can honestly. The ACC lost some good coaches recently and Maryland had a down year. Luckily, Paul Hewitt is gone, and Sidney Lowe will probably follow. The ACC needs GT to get back to its former level, and NC State used to be a consistently good program…they will get back to that with the right coach. Wake Forest really screwed itself over by firing Dino…VT, UM, and UVA will fade back into irrelevance when GT and NC State get back to top form. Clemson is looking pretty good with the hire they made, and I expect GT and NC State to make similar progress under good coaches…whomever they may be. If you want to see how important SEC basketball is you should have been in the dome this weekend…the place was half empty.

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Okay, so off-topic, but does Tony Barnhart not work for the AJC anymore? He was supposed to return today, and now his last blog saying that has been deleted off the UGA page.

Best of luck to the Dawgs on Friday!

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Hewitt Fan, lets look at the four common opponents that Duke and UGA had this season.

UAB: Duke wins by 21, UGA wins by 2.
St Louis: Duke wins by 37, UGA wins by 2.
GT: Duke wins by 22, UGA wins by 1.
Temple: Duke wins by 17, UGA loses by 7.

The average difference in those games was Duke by 25 points. Not to mention Duke just won their conference tournament are a 1 seed and are defending National Champions. To claim that UGA would beat them by at least 10 points is utterly insane. Regardless of your stupid ref conspiracy theories.

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I went thursday and friday. UK was the only team that drew a significant crowd. It was kind of boring to be honest…it just doesn’t feel like a big east or ACC game. Hang your hat on UK fans if you like, but every other team had very little fans there supporting them…even UGA.

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Thanks, Jeff. I wasn’t sure how to word it, but you answered the question well.

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The Big East has watered down the ACC talent level..

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Worm…maybe you are partly right. But the Big East powers have been recruiting like this for a long time. Some of the crap teams in the ACC still have had top talent flowing through….for example NC State and GT who have recruited 5 stars, one and dones, and put people in the NBA all while playing at a low level in conference and out. Paul Hewitt and Sidney Lowe really wasted a lot of talent… however there is still plenty to go around.

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DawginLex
The old ACC Big East challenge was every team in the ACC played every team in the Big East. 1 ACC team vs 1 SEC doen’t the Challenge make. The ACC and SEC have the same # of teams. So in one week they could each face another team from the other conference. I also think a few years back the ACC did the challenge against the Big 10 too. That challenge didn’t last as long as the ACC Big East challenge did.

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UGA was just fortunate to get into the tournament. They lost twice to an Alabama team that was clearly better but for inadequate justification left out of the Dance and just narrowly defeated an under coached GT team. Lets see what Fox does after his talent leaves. He still hasn’t proved he can recruit. The statement SEC passes ACC so far doesan’t hold water, yet.

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Uh oh Alabama fans. The idea of coaching in the ACC may be too much to turn down.

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@ Tide Rising…
I don’t think anything short of them winning the SEC Tournament outright helps them. Those losses yo really bad teams just killed them.

@ Jeff Schultz…
VA Tech just had too many injuries. Seth Greenberg (not one of my favorite people) will one day build a team that can stay healthy. It’s a recurring problem… Moreover, he knows that people question his non-conference schedules and still thumbs his nose at the process….

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Beast,

You must know your basketball because that pretty much sums up our team. Poor start to the season, great defensive play, but absolutely atrocious perimeter shooting- glaring weakness was a good way to describe it. Anyway, good luck in the tourney. I think UF and UK- which is really hot right now- can both be final four and or nc title caliber teams. After those 2 and after UNC and Duke in the ACC its a pretty good drop off in both conferences.

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Not based on that shallow analysis.

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GT beat NC this year..Kennesaw ST beat Gt UGA beat GT..Last year Duke had 2 seniors starters who did not even get drafted!

This is why UGA would blow out Duke? Try harder. I’m sure all of the basketball experts in the country agree with you that Duke would have no chance against UGA.

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Simple solution for one so disapointed in the journalist at AJC. Don’t read the damn paper then. You just wasted a lot of space on this blog.

GOOOOOO DAWGSSSSSSS

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woebegong
You know what would be no fun. LOL. We know Mark and Jeff write stories for facts and to get BLOG hits too. That what makes it fun. Atlanta has so many people from so many places the blogs can get a view from just about any teams fans. It is all fun for the most part.

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It must stink for techies knowing that the bee’s are behind UGA in the 2 MAJOR sports!

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UGA definitely ahead of GT in athletics…but the SEC is not above the ACC in basketball. Not how many teams you get in the tourney…it’s how far they go. 0 will be in the Final Four, possibly even the Elite Eight. You won’t say the same about the ACC.

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Don’t be surprised if Tech goes hard after Bobby Knight.

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Can’t ya just feel the love in this blog, Jeff? LOL.

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Do you think Bobby Knight would come out of retirement to coach again. Man, what a steal that would be for any team. He is over the top sometimes in his actions on the court, but he flat out knew how to coach, 92% of his kids got their degree on his teams, and he made that state when he was the coach.

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Lets see what Fox does after his talent leaves. He still hasn’t proved he can recruit.

He has already signed the number 4 guard in the entire nation for next year. Those are the kind of guys UGA NEVER got before. If he got talent to come to Nevada, UGA shouldn’t be a problem

Jeff, can you confirm that Tech has inquired about Bobby Knight’s availability?

Tech and Knight would be a perfect combo. He would fit right in with the coaches assaulting players etc.

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http://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=SEC

Um…SEC is lucky to be considered a Top 6 conference in basketball.

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I love how the techies, desperate to cling to something. ANYTHING, will not just admit the obvious, and that is that the SEC is clearly better this year in hoops, especially if we are doing a “most good teams” thing comparison

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headley lamar, is your name Jeff?

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Also, shifting gears a bit, 11 Big East teams and no Bama (except uab, also ridiculous) is ridiculous to me, especially after that conference has been so over rated the last couple of years, based on tourney results.

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Why BAMA beat UGA twice in one week if 0.023 is so magical?

Fortunately for Georgia the NCAA committee looks at all 30 or so games.

Not just 2.

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has anyone ever called you “mutt” before?

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Colorado got screwed too, but we beat them so there

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has anyone ever called you “mutt” before?

Not that I can remember.

But you can if you want. What do I care.

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12:57 post corrections.
National titles they have “won”
And I don’t even drink. Perhaps I need to start though.

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They should give Mark Fox a big fat long contract that rolls over every year automatically with a big buy out clause. What could go wrong?

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Why is everyone complaining about seeds? If you are a 2 or 3 or 4 you get a couple of bubble boys, then you have to beat 4 good or hot teams to be the champs. Prove it on the court, not by voters.

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Jeff the point I was trying to make is that you throw out a statement that the SEC has passed the ACC in basketball base on what? The fact that they got 5 teams into the tourney.

Id say that’s a pretty good indicator.

Your trying to compare Football to Basketball and draw some kind of conclusion.

Apples to Oranges.

Bottom line. SEC is far superior in football and has nudged ahead in basketball.

I know that hurts your ACC feelings but its true.

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Bowl bids and tournament invites do not make for apples and apples. Before the football season starts either conference is committed to X number of bowl bids. There is no such assurance of tournament entrees. You only have one automatic entry to the big dance. The SEC has always been underrated in basketball. The ACC has always been underrated in football. The Big Ten is overrated in everything.

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HAHA. Hey Jeff, Who did you know in AJC to get this job?? The tournament hasn’t even started yet. And one season doesn’t put a conference ahead of another. SEC isn’t that great, everyone who watches college basketball knows this. Only 1 maybe 2 SEC teams get out of the first round. Believe that like a rat said it son.

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USC Jimi,

You in, Mr. Over/Under rated?

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Hey Buckeye, doesn’t the SEC own Ohio State?

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Did I really read that the ACC hasn’t been good since the ’80s?

Didn’t the ACC win HALF the titles of the last decade?

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I believe that most any team in the ACC except Wake and Ga. Tech could beat Georgia (Tech lost by 1 pt.) and Tennessee even though it is a relatively down year for the ACC. The ACC teams did beat up on each other which didn’t help their records. Let’s see how long Georgia and Tennessee last in the tournament. They will be lucky to get past the first round.

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SEC Football > ACC Basketball

Basketball Champions since 2000
Duke
UNC
Kansas
Florida
Florida
UNC
UCONN
Syracuse
Maryland
Duke
Michigan State

ACC – 5, Big East – 2, SEC – 2, Big Twelve – 1, Big Ten – 1

Football Champions since 2000

Auburn
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Florida
Texas
USC
LSU
OSU
Miami
Oklahoma

SEC – 6, Big Twelve – 2, Pac Ten – 1, Big Ten – 1, Big East – 1

If you go back to 1990 you can add 3 more ACC national basketball championships from Duke and UNC as well as 3 more SEC national championships from Tennessee, Florida, and Alabama. So the trend continues. ACC basketball is simply top heavy and that hasn’t changed in a long time. SEC football has more teams capable of winning a championship. As I said before, the depth of SEC football is greater than ACC basketball.

The more interesting fact is to flip it and start counting ACC football national champions against SEC basketball national champions. Going back to 2000 you’ll see Florida winning basketball titles but I don’t see any ACC teams winning football championships. Go back to 1990 and you have one trick pony FSU and Tech splitting with Colorado in 1990. In basketball you have Kentucky and Arkansas winning it all.

The SEC appears to be deeper over time in both sports while the ACC depends more on their traditional top teams for each sport. But to throw the ACC a bone, the Duke-UNC basketball duo might be the most formidable 1-2 punch in all of college sports going conference-by-conference over the past 20 years. It’s bigger than Texas-OU in football, OSU-Michigan in football, and I can’t think of another basketball combo from a single conference worth mentioning. Kentucky-Arkansas would have probably been in the discussion had Nolan Richardson not lost his mind (oh what could have been). SEC football doesn’t have a duo. Over 20 years it’s Alabama-LSU-Florida.

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Tide Rising
March 14th, 2011
12:11 pm
“How do you explain that?”

I lobbied for Alabama making the field of 68. Instead of Southern California or Colorado. But I’m going to play the Committee for a minute, entertain this for a minute.

I look at Alabama and their schedule. I look at their wins. I look at their conference. I look at their division within that conference. I look at what they did in their losses. I look again at “what the teams they loss to did.” Then I say to them, were the losses to quality opponents? Then I have to re-look at whether their conference was truly strong. 2) Did the conference play enhance them?

The answer to all of those questions were that no, Alabama was a team lost to too many really bad basketball teams early. There case against tournament teams were that they only beat teams inside their conference and those games were home games with the exception of one (UT). Your chance at getting into the tournament died at Vanderbilt and in Gainesville. From that point forward, Alabama needed to win the SEC Tournament outright. The wins over UGA only put them back on the Selection Committee line to be one of the two 11/12 that would be playing in Dayton tomorrow if they had pulled it off…

To me, that is how the scenario played out… Is that fair and clear enough of an explanation?

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Gotta love all these guarantees and “mark it down” comments. If you people knew half as much as you thought you did, then why not bet your life savings and just retire after the tourney? Me, I voice my opinion but offer no guarantees. I’ve seen way too many upsets over the years to place my hard earned cash on any sporting event…..especially the NCAA tournament. About the closest thing to a sure bet is the #1 seeds versus the #16 seeds. Other than that, anything can and has happened.

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Dan
March 14th, 2011
12:48 pm

Jeff – agreed SEC has passed the ACC in basketball for now.

Hard to recall when the ACC was the gold standard of college basketball for decades, a distinction now held by the Big East.

DAN since the Big East has won 3 NCAA tourneys by 2 teams since 1990, UConn and Syracuse. In that time the ACC has 8 NCAA National Champions and the SEC has 5, but you think the Big East is the Basketball King? AHHAHAHA OK. 20 teams in the big east makes them great but they don’t play in all the sports like football and baseball. Hell the ACC should offer members to join that just want to play basketball. Just for fun the ACC add close to home schools just in Bball. Florida, UGA, Vandy, UT, USC, and Kentucky join the ACC and then the Big East would never be heard of again. That would 13 NCAA Champions since 1990 to 3 for the Big East that could be fun.

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And I picked Belmont not because they are going to expose Wisconsin; but because they are better team in that match-up…

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Put the ACC and the SEC head to head in everything. Everything is getting kids to graduate with a Degree that matters in the JOB Market. SEC football is God with ESPN helping to sell it. ACC is Basketball God and beyond the SECs reach when it comes to EDUCATING Student athletes on a diverse campus in VALUABLE degrees.
Dean Wormer said it best, “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.” That describes the SEC student Athlete and most of their fans,

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5150 you are FOS

My kid goes to UK and is getting tail kicked in Organic Chemistry and Physics. The UK Pharmacy program is one of the top 5 in the country. Vandy is a better school than all of the ACC schools put together.

Go spew your holier than thou BS somewhere else because it doesn’t fly.

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DawginLex the Fulmer Cup for 2011 just started. How has Auburn already won it? Tennessee doesn’t even have all their new players on campus same for UGA. STILL 8 good months for UGA to pull out another winner. UGA wrapped it up late last year. Be confident! UGA is a real gamer in the Fulmer Cup. Don’t write then off so early. Have confidence in Richt and the boys to keep working hard for a BACK to Back year.

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Headly,

You are a genious. Your orginal thoughts on the topic of the day are spellbinding. Thank you for sharing them! Perhaps DawginLex can repost his list for you to make your posting efforts less taxing.

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FWIW ranking by Ken Pomeroy @ kenpom.com

Ranking of conferences by average rating of the teams
Conference Rating Conference Rating
1 Big Ten Conference .8906 18 Mid American Conference .3586
2 Big East Conference .8719 19 Summit League .3534
3 Big 12 Conference .8481 20 Atlantic Sun Conference .3461
4 Atlantic Coast Conference .8276 21 Southern Conference .3370
5 Pac 10 Conference .7952 22 Ohio Valley Conference .3331
6 Mountain West Conference .7809 23 Big Sky Conference .3328
7 Southeastern Conference .7650 24 Patriot League .3186
8 Conference USA .6575 25 Northeast Conference .2998
9 Atlantic 10 Conference .6078 26 Sun Belt Conference .2958
10 Western Athletic Conference .5946 27 Big South Conference .2952
11 West Coast Conference .5717 28 Southland Conference .2698
12 Horizon League .5649 29 America East Conference .2473
13 Colonial Athletic Association .5509 30 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference .1350
14 Missouri Valley Conference .5216 31 Independents .1137
15 Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference .4259 32 Great West Conference .0936
16 Ivy League .4176 33 Southwestern Athletic Conference .0763
17 Big West Conference .4099

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5150,
I usually enjoy your wit, but come on man! How can anyone from Tech talk about graduating student athletes? Do you really want to go there? I can do some quick research if you’d like. Just let me know. LOL!

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OK DAWGinLex
Vandy is equal with Duke in the medical dept. Vandy is not better than every school in the ACC.
So is your kid studying to be a Trailer Park Pharmacist? Wee-Haw you will be rolling in METH money in no time.
Really congrats on your child on working hard and studying in a usable field after gradation. Not like UGA players in housing, consumerism, magazine advertising, of Jr year students in Pre-Business. Hope you child is making you so very proud.

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That’s cute, Headley…

I just thought of a really good one, though…the Ass E She…

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I didn’t say TECH was graduating a huge number of players. It was an ACC vs SEC thing. The ACC schools do very well in graduating athletes with degrees that Businesses & the Job Market actually want.

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5150,

There are lots of comparisons

Clemson=Auburn with a lake

You really throwing Miami in as an academic giant?

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2:25 PM – 5150 lost all credibility. LOL. He resorted to playing the education card when discussing sports. What does it say about the kid who did so much to get accepted to GT or Duke only to flunk out or change their major to something “easy” and cookie cutter like some General Business degree?

You cannot possibly get a good education at Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or even Mississippi State. Anyone with their future in mind would never attend an SEC school. There has never been a successful person to attend a class on any SEC campus.

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Beast,

I hope he had his tongue firmly in cheek when he typed

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OK OK OK I know there are good student athletes that actually get good degrees in the ACC and the SEC. It has been proven over the years that the SEC is a win at All Cost Conference with academics for the athletes not on the top of the list of priorities. That is my point and it has been proven over the years. The SEC cares more about a Huge full stadium on Saturday and a full Trophy case more than having the Best and Brightest playing sports. Every school does it, but the SEC makes a Lifestyle of it.

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Didn’t The Vols have those kids do an Armed Robbery on a convince store and the fight at The Bar Knoxville? How did UGA beat the VOLS then? I guess Auburn will be hard to beat. I just remember all the crap the VOLS had going and some how UGA took the Cup. Sorry if I am wrong there just seems to be a lot of time left to call a winner right now.
It is sad that there is actually a measuring stick for this and a pseudo award as well.

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JSS,

You have some points but I can counter each of them. As you stated we did poorly at the beginning of the season and had some bad losses- particularly out of conference. My point is that while that is true it is also true that we played very well in conference- going 12-4 regular season, 13-5 overall, and 4-2 against the 4 sec east teams that did make the tournament.

Also the NCAA selection committee has traditionally gone with who has had the hotter hand as of late when looking at 2 similar overall records. Our trend was certainly up having won 17 of our last 22.

In most playoff considerations what you do in conference, in division, carries more weight than what you do non conference and out of division. This is not debateable. It is the first tiebreaker in the formula in determing a division or conference champion in practically any sport- pro or college. The division and conference accomplishments take precedence over what a team does nonconference. You see this in pro or college tiebreakers in football, pro basketball, baseball, etc. Only here the NCAA giving out of conference games played early in the season precedence over not only head to head but also conference and division success. Nowwhere else in pro or college sports do you see this backwards logic. You know it and I know it.

We’ll agree to politely disagree. In any event I’ll pull for the dawgs but to be honest with you I can’t see UGA or Bama advancing very far in the NCAA tourney. Or UT for that matter. UF or UK I can see as potentially going all the way.

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In that picture Mark Fox’s is yelling, “When you get between here and here Ware, I am going to call a timeout, got it, so don’t shoot, okay.”

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Sports Illustrated recently did a study on criminality in D-1 football that focused on the top 25 programs last year but also on all college football 1-A programs. Here are some of the results- this was a record of college players with criminal records. Interesting results

According to our data the University of Pittsburgh had the most players with police records (22) which the school said in statement, was “unacceptable.” The school was followed by Iowa (18), Arkansas (18), Boise State (16) and Penn state (16).

Among the major conferences, the Big Ten led our list with 50 players. The ACC was next with 39. Then came the SEC (33), Big East (27), PAC-10 (19) and Big 12 (16).

There was good news: 11 schools had five or fewer run-ins with the law. One school came out completely clean – undefeated Rose Bowl champion Texas Christian University. Alabama also had fewer than 5.

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The Sports Illustrated focus was only on the teams that finished top 25. So if some of the dawg haters are wondering why Georgia isn’t represented due to their various off field issues last year its just because the dogs didn’t finish to 25.

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Rambleon84,

Ooops. You are correct. It is in fact based on the preseason top 25.

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Ramblon84,

That’s true. The numbers are misleading and aren’t really any worse than for the male student population at large. Still kinda interesting overall though and it has some relevance considering that nearly 40% of the incidents were for more serious crimes. Extrapolated across the overall numbers it still tells you something.

Nearly 40 percent of what we found were serious crimes. Fifty-six were arrested for so-called violent crimes – including 25 for assault and battery, robbery, domestic violence and sex crimes. Forty-one were arrested or cited for property crimes. The more than 100 drug and alcohol-related offenses, included 27 DUI’s.

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If you had ACC SEC challenge using Sagarin computer for seeds and result the “down” ACC would win 10-2.

Jeff you’re drunk

Rating Team Rating Team Winner
3 Duke 12 UK Duke
15 UNC 18 UF UNC
40 VT 30 VU VU
42 CU 51 UT CU
44 FSU 52 UGA FSU
50 MD 60 AL MD
58 BC 80 Miss BC
65 UM 102 AR UM
92 NCST 118 SC NCST
103 UVA 123 MSU UVA
114 GT 223 LSU GT
249 WF 231 AU AU

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BC @SC 85-70 W
CU @SC 60-64 L
FSU vs UF 51-55 L
FSU @AUB 60-65 L
GT vs UGA 72-73 L
UM vs Miss 86-73 W
UNC vs Vandy 65-72 L
UNC vs UK 75-73 W
UVA vs LSU 64-50 W
VT vs MSU 88-57 W
Overall 5-5

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Jeff, you went full retard on this one.

You never go full retard.

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Well who didnt know that? the SEC is better in every sport. Well, the ACC does have the SEC beat in lacrosse..ill give em that

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I don’t really give RPI rankings that much weight, since it was used to get UAB in over Colorado, but using your logic Jeff, I guess the Lady Jackets have surpassed the Lady Bulldogs…

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“But still since 2000…”
Oh you just knew that was coming. Did you not read the article? Schultz is not talking about the past. He is talking about today and the future.
Today, the SEC is better and deeper and the future is heading moreso that way.
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Jeff you are insane…and not in a good way this time.

Yes the SEC got one more team in the NCAAs but that’s only one partial, incomplete measure of the relative quality of the conferences. Look past the top 4-5 teams and see who those teams had to play during their conference schedule. Also there were TWO ACC teams which just missed the cut (and we all know VA Tech got hosed). Meanwhile the ONLY other SEC team which had any hope of getting in was Alabama…who had by far the worst RPI of any bubble team.

Although the ACC down this year it’s still ahead of the SEC overall. Look at any measure/rating, and top-to-bottom the ACC is still ahead. And let’s see how many teams are left from each conference after 2, 3, or more games.

IMO this year, the top 2 ACC teams are better than the top 2 in the SEC. Comparing the 3rd and 4th best teams in each conf, the SEC is probably better although it’s close (and UT has al lot of bad losses for example). The middle 4 teams and the lower 4 teams are each better in the ACC. Beating those middle and lower-tier ACC teams on the road is more difficult than the mid/lower tier SEC ones.

For example Sagarin’s conference ratings for this year have the ACC 4th overall, the SEC 7th. The ACC has almost always been in the top 2 or 3 conferences for at least 25 or 30 years, often #1, and never anywhere near as bad as 7th. The current Sagarin order:
1 Big East
2 Big Ten
3 Big 12
4 ACC
5 Mountain West
6 Pac 10
7 SEC

So how is the 7th-rated conference better than the 4th rated one? Pretty huge difference Jeff.

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@ Maurice “but using your logic Jeff, I guess the Lady Jackets have surpassed the Lady Bulldogs…”

Although the Lady Bulldogs have been a very strong program for a long time, Jeff is talking about *this year*. Unlike his ACC vs SEC numbers which do not hold up for the conferences overall, as several people have demonstrated, an argument can be made that GT has a better women’s team this year:

The Lady Jackets did beat UGA by 16 head-to-head this year, are currently ranked more highly than UGA, and are seeded more highly in the NCAAs. (The rankings are pretty close, yes.) GT women’s basketball has improved GREATLY during the last few years. SEC men’s basketball…not so.

Although it’s not the same as football, there are still only a few major conferences for b’ball, and the SEC is only 7th.

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