Fredi: The Braves have a jersey that will fit a little better than that one.
From the moment he inexplicably was fired as the Florida Marlins’ manager — and maybe even before — Fredi Gonzalez looked like the obvious choice to replace the Braves’ Bobby Cox.
Apparently, it was so obvious that Cox’s desk chair won’t have a chance to get cold.
Our David O’Brien is reporting that Gonzalez, the former Braves coach, will be introduced as the Braves’ new manager on Thursday — one day after Cox is scheduled to hold his going away news conference at Turner Field and three days after the team was eliminated in the National League Division Series.
If the timing is surprising, the choice isn’t.
Earlier Tuesday, I posted a column saying that the challenge of Cox’s replacement will be recreating the same clubhouse chemistry that Cox helped cultivate this year. Gonzalez will do that.
Braves general manager Frank Wren could not have made a better decision. Gonzalez is liked and respected by players. That was the case as a coach in Atlanta and the manager in Florida, despite being fired by Jeffrey Loria, the Marlins’ clueless owner. Loria is the same classless moron who ordered his team to not honor the retiring Cox in the Braves’ final visit in Florida, making Florida the only organization to do so. (Cox had criticized Loria for Gonzalez’ firing, and the truth apparently doesn’t go over well with him.)
I’ve banged the drum for Gonzalez before:
♦ Here when he benched the petulant Hanley Ramirez.
♦ Here when he was let go by the Marlins.
Gonzalez, who has maintained his home in Marietta, had winning teams in Florida in 2008 and 2009 despite working with the lowest payroll in the majors. He is like Cox in many ways in that he’s honest and up front with players, keeps an open line of communication and expects only hard work and unselfish play in return. He can be unlike Cox in that he will call out a player publicly if he is pushed to, as in the Ramirez case.
He does not play favorites, and that plays well in the clubhouse. Ramirez is Florida’s best player. But Gonzalez pulled him for loafing after a ball, then benched him the next night for throwing a fit and ripping his manager publicly.
Ramirez was quoted as saying:: “He never played in the big leagues,” and added: “It’s his team. He can do whatever he [expletive] wants.” He and Loria deserve each other.
Somehow, Gonzalez took the fall. But Gonzalez will end up with a better job, and the Braves will end up with the perfect replacement for Cox.
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EARLIER TODAY:
♦ Challenge of Cox’s replacement will be recreating chemistry
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306 comments Add your comment
Robards
October 12th, 2010
10:12 pm
First?
kj the gold glove winner
October 12th, 2010
10:13 pm
2nd?
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:14 pm
FIST!!
This is a dum hire. Gonzales has a record. How is this better than Cox? They should of have hired John Smolts
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:14 pm
I meant to say he has a loosing record…..And I was not first
Tony
October 12th, 2010
10:16 pm
Thanks, Bobby. Welcome home, Fredi.
South Georgia
October 12th, 2010
10:20 pm
I think it’s a great choice. Hopefully, he will incorporate more bunting and base stealing and teach Braves how to hit with runners in scoring position.
South Georgia
October 12th, 2010
10:21 pm
We have wasted great pitching for two straight years with our lack of run production.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:22 pm
How can this be a good hire if he has a loosing record? This is a huge misteak.
Eric
October 12th, 2010
10:23 pm
Joe Tess Fish House, you meant to say YOU are a loser.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:23 pm
What will Fredi’s number be? 2-3’s = 6 right?
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:25 pm
“Joe Tess” congrats. Your post was one of the dumbest one ever posted. It was the perfect hire. Oh and who is John Smolts? Also, what does “dum” mean?
Vino Fino
October 12th, 2010
10:26 pm
Jeff- any idication which coaches will stay?
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:26 pm
Who will the “new” hitting coach be? TP will probably leave or get canned
atlwolf
October 12th, 2010
10:26 pm
Joe Tess Fish House, you are an idiot who obviously knows nothing about baseball or basic grammar. Get out of here.
extremus
October 12th, 2010
10:26 pm
Well that’s one thing off the ol’ offseason checklist for the Braves. I’m glad to see they’re not wasting any time getting started in addressing the team’s needs. I think Fredi will be an excellent new manager for the Braves, hopefully for many happy years to come for the team and the fans.
Congratulations Fredi and Go Braves in 2011!!!!!
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:26 pm
Misteak? Learn to spell moron.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:28 pm
I can post my ideals without name calling. U gys need 2 do the same.
THis is a dum hire. Loosing is contagous and Gonazles will bring that disases here.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:29 pm
Chipper will retire (hitting coach?)
75years
October 12th, 2010
10:29 pm
Need to wait and see what kind of coaching staff we get
linda jenkins
October 12th, 2010
10:30 pm
i think that they should try to find leon mazzinoe and make him the general manager for the braves. he is so close to the braves. or hired tom glavine for the general manager for the braves also.
Finchdawg
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
Joe Tess Fish House, I’m not going to call you a name, but you do need to learn to spell at least simple words. Not doing so makes your opinion seem much less intelligent.
bjohndawg
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
Just an awesome hire! Nuff Said.
Vino Fino
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
Wow, some people really shouldn’t be allowed to own a computer.
Lowcountry Brave
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
I couldn’t be happier with this hire.
Black Coffee & Bourbon
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
Great hire by the Braves! He did a great job in South Florida in a crap market with no $ and a clown for an owner. Freddy should do very well in Atlanta!
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:31 pm
Mazzone as pitching coach would be good
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:32 pm
I here Leo on the radio and he is nice guy but he only no pitchin
atlwolf
October 12th, 2010
10:32 pm
Will you just GET OUT OF HERE Joe? Your opinions are garbage, just like your English. Any Braves fan who knows anything about baseball and Fredi Gonzalez will be happy with this hiring. Shut your mouth and get the heck outta here you ignoramus.
MitchC
October 12th, 2010
10:32 pm
Jeff, upon thinking about it, this is probably a good move. In a way, it’s almost like deja vu.
Bobby is fired by Ted Turner in 1981, goes to Toronto for four years, and then returns as GM. He recruits all of the talent that eventually would turn us into a winner, but, it doesnt happen fast enough, so, after firing Russ Nixon, Bobby and Ted do the safe thing, and Bobby takes the job as manager. It worked out pretty well for 21 years.
I was never against Gonzalez. Until I saw that the players wanted it to happen quickly, I just thought maybe the team should wait a bit, to digest Bobby’s leaving, but, it was no sudden resignation, as we;ve known Bobby was leaving for a year now.
I cant argue with this choice. Hopefully, it will work out well for the Braves.
Reid Adair
October 12th, 2010
10:33 pm
Jeff, you credit this decison to Frank Wren, but this hire has John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox written all over it – thankfully. I was concerned that Wren would be heavily involved, and who knows where that would have led.
This is great news. I like Fredi Gonzalez’s style, particularly how he chose to handle Hanley Ramirez.
Tron5000
October 12th, 2010
10:33 pm
I applaud this move. Keep TP for a year till Chipper retires and takes over for him. From everything I’ve read, sounds like he’s already the favorite among the leaders and veterans in the clubhouse, so that’s great. I’m sure it’s very rare that a transition takes place in such a manner.
C. Tampa Ironworse
October 12th, 2010
10:33 pm
Great hire, I really like Ready Fredi G. Now if we can fire Snikter (3rd base coach) so someone will actually send runners home from third…the Braves will be in GREAT shape.
dirty harry
October 12th, 2010
10:34 pm
Joe Tess,
You missed the part where Jeff mentioned that the Marlins have one of the lowest payrolls and an idiot owner who steals money from Florida taxpayers. Gonzalez was miraculously able to get two winning seasons out of a garbage team like the Marlins.
Idiot.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:34 pm
Joe needs to advertise somewhere for his business
deja vu
October 12th, 2010
10:34 pm
Why was Florida always such a pain in the ass for the Braves with a third of their payroll? I think Fredi had a lot to do with it. The games I saw, especially the ones that went down to the wire, Gonzalez out-managed Cox consistantly.
skydawg
October 12th, 2010
10:34 pm
@Joe Tess Fish House….he had a slight losing record with one of the lowest, if not the very lowest, payroll in baseball. The Marlins were in the NL East race for parts of all 3 of the past years. Perfect fit and one I think most saw coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if this hadn’t already happened weeks and weeks ago and just kept quiet for respect of Bobby and the Braves run to the playoffs.
The real question is who will stay on the staff. I think most will but for some reason I think Pendleton will move on. Partly for feeling jilted and partly the Braves horrific offensive numbers. Offensive being the operative word. Will be interesting to see.
Chris
October 12th, 2010
10:35 pm
Quite honestly, I’m disappointed. The Braves had a chance to go in new direction and failed…
NC Brave
October 12th, 2010
10:35 pm
1st thought. Perfect hire. The organizational symmetry will continue and never skip a beat.
2nd thought. Is there any way the ajc could block this Joe Tess Fish House person off this forum or any future forums?
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:36 pm
I agree with u Chris.
Braves2011
October 12th, 2010
10:36 pm
Joe Tess Fish House – take a deep breath, compose yourself, then try to post a message that makes sense and shows a basic comprehension of the English language.
Tron5000
October 12th, 2010
10:36 pm
Linda Jenkins, Leo Mazzone shouldn’t be hard to find. Call 404-231-1680 weekdays between 6 and 10.
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:36 pm
Mazzone is nothing people. Look who he had. Look what happened when he went to Baltimore. He was just in the right place at the right time. Roger has done a great job. Look what he did to Lowe in the last few months. The Braves could be realllly good in 2011!
Pauly D
October 12th, 2010
10:36 pm
this is dumb. he sucks. I don’t care if he is friends with bobby, he still sucks. He can’t handle a bullpen worth crap. I’m telling you he will find a way to make us finish 3rd.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:37 pm
I’m sure Joe speaks English worse than he types
dirty harry
October 12th, 2010
10:37 pm
Did you do your GTL today Pauly?
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:37 pm
I did not say that there is an imposer of me. Mr Schults these imposers need 2 be band.
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:38 pm
Chris explain why this is a bad hire. You obviously don’t know baseball.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:39 pm
Joe, you just banned yourself from here…..Jeff, dump him now please, after that comment about preteens
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:39 pm
Its a bad hire b cuz he has a loosing record.
Chuck
October 12th, 2010
10:39 pm
Why is it whenever I start reading the comments after the piece, I get depressed…?
damn
October 12th, 2010
10:39 pm
Joe Tess. Dude forget about baseball. Go learn how to spell and type etc… You have bigger fish to fry bro. Dum? Loose? Misteak? Smolts? Look, it’s Dumb. Lose. Mistake. Smoltz. We’ll work on numbers next week!!!
Pauly D
October 12th, 2010
10:40 pm
did you kill anybody today dirty harry?
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:40 pm
Vino — No, but wouldn’t surprise me if Gonzalez retains most of staff.
Matt the Brave
October 12th, 2010
10:40 pm
Man, good hire. I would have liked to see some other interviews, but that’s not to say that Frank Wren’s not been doing that during the season and not just broadcasting it.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:41 pm
At least I dont use curse words 4 my name.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:41 pm
Bobby C — I believe Fredi and TP are friends.
Pauly D
October 12th, 2010
10:41 pm
Steve sense you think you know baseball so well why is this a good hire? seems to suck, to me.
xman
October 12th, 2010
10:42 pm
I just hope that Fredi DOES NOT keep Terry Pendleton as the hitting coach. TP deserves the Braves managers job as much as Fredi…and TP would be a good manager…he’s just not a hitting coach.
Best of luck Fredi, the Braves would not have gone wrong with either you or Terry.
I hope Terry gets a shot at managing really soon.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:42 pm
Thanks Jeff…….agree too about keeping the coaching staff. Just thinking out loud.
Bob Horner's Ghost
October 12th, 2010
10:42 pm
I can think of .160 reasons why Pendleton should be sent out of town on the first thing smokin’. I’m a big Glenn Hubbard fan too, but after the defensive meltdown in the NLDS, I don’t see how he sticks.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:43 pm
Reid — Put it this way: I’m sure everybody in organization, from Terry McGuirk on down, was in agreement on Gonzalez. But ultimately I think it’s Wren’s call. If he didn’t want him, it wasn’t going to happen. Cox is retiring. Schuerholz is semi-retired. McGuirk isn’t going to make a baseball decision like that.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:43 pm
hahahaha….He can check the IP adress and see how is the imposer and who is really me.
Andy
October 12th, 2010
10:43 pm
Chris, what does “a new direction” even mean? Do you think that Fredi, who hasn’t been in Atlanta since 2006, will become some sort of Bobby Cox robot? Should we have hired Joe Torre? Or would that not have been a new direction, since he played for the Braves in the 60s.
dexterthedawg
October 12th, 2010
10:44 pm
Ok people this is America the home of the free, it sucks that anyone would call someone stupid because they misspell a word or two! Joe Tess Fish House should feel free to participate without being put down and made to feel awful. Or do only people that think that they are super genius get to post here? Us mere mortals have to take a back seat to the elite class of super intelligent spellers who try and police the internet and call people names. In other words learn to be graceful, not disgraceful. Courtesy goes along way, and we do not have to put other people down to raise our selves up. In other words it totally sucks. Yep It sucks. Yepper, no doubt it really sucks. Sucks to the hilt. Sucks to infinity. It just plain sucks.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 12th, 2010
10:45 pm
Joe Tore would have of been a great hire.
Fire Tee Pee
October 12th, 2010
10:45 pm
Fire him before Heyward becomes another Francoeur…if it’s not too late already.
Demetrius
October 12th, 2010
10:45 pm
I had a misteak once…terrible. The seasoning was all wrong….
lsmidnite
October 12th, 2010
10:45 pm
Joe Tess you seriously struggling, fredi was 3 games under .500 managing one of the worst franchises in baseball in the florida marlins, Joe torre had a loosing record before going to new york. 2nd, why you bringing up chipper jones and hooters when that happened almost ten years ago.
xman
October 12th, 2010
10:46 pm
Joe Torre will be the next gm of the Mets
MB
October 12th, 2010
10:46 pm
EXCELLENT! Glad to see this move! I bet we have many years of great baseball coming to us!
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:47 pm
“Pauly D” I guess you need spelling lessons also? “Sense” should be since you moron. Good hire for all of the above reasons Jeff mentioned.
Hooters Waitress at Spring Training
October 12th, 2010
10:47 pm
I know why Chipper is coming back.
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October 12th, 2010
10:47 pm
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Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:47 pm
Torre as GM? Will retire or coach the Mets IMHO
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:48 pm
I support Joe Tess Fish House’s right to misspell words and have a different opinion. HOWEVER, the person who is impersonating him (and yes, I know who you are) can be banned for tasteless comments. So stop now.
Joe Smoe
October 12th, 2010
10:48 pm
Great hire!
Great Timing!
Fredi had class enough to be promoted as a manager by the Marlins. He was respected by players and coaches alike, and for his accomplishments and actions. He is youth, and understands the game. Just what the Braves need at this point (no disrespect to Cox). Here is to a hopeful fresh start.
Now we just need some payroll over the 84 Million and we will be on our way.
dexterthedawg
October 12th, 2010
10:49 pm
Oh disregard, Joe Tess Fish House is a freaking moron! an ignoramous! I thought that he was just a little slow, He is freaking nuts!
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:49 pm
I’m glad we have a teacher in the crowd Steve
Andy
October 12th, 2010
10:49 pm
Well played, Demetrius.
Blog Moderator
October 12th, 2010
10:49 pm
I don’t exist.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:50 pm
Bobby C — That’s OK. Obviously there’s a lot of interest in the coaching topic.
damn
October 12th, 2010
10:51 pm
my Name is Joe Tess Fish House. Momma said life is like a box of chocolates….
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:51 pm
Haha……one email address with multiple names. Busted!
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Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:53 pm
See ya jimmymack
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:53 pm
Jimmymack — You’re kidding me, right? Don’t try that again.
JRW7
October 12th, 2010
10:53 pm
Great, good choice, FG is just who the BRAVES need. GO FREDI, win us a pennant in 2011!!!!!!!
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:54 pm
thanks Jeff
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:54 pm
Jeff who do like between the Giants and Phillies? I’m pulling for the Giants after the class they showed last night. Rough night for the Cox family.
Brad
October 12th, 2010
10:54 pm
im pulling for the rangers. they have the 4th lowest payroll. yanks payroll is 4 x larger. unbelievable
http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/2010baseballteampayrolls.htm
The Imposer
October 12th, 2010
10:55 pm
Just messing around with an idiot. Don’t be so sensitive.
Younger Than That Now
October 12th, 2010
10:55 pm
No surprise here! I haven’t read all the other comments, but I think this is the best thing that could happen with the Braves, both in the person and the timing of it. Fredi will carry on a great tradition here and still make some subtle moves that will benefit the team… and he’ll do it with a sure and steady hand and handle things correctly. IMO he has been tutored by the best manager as far as temperment and how to treat players is concerned and I don’t there’s any question about his abilities as field general.
Schultzie… thanks for letting the ole cat out of the bag.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:56 pm
Think about it……Chipper back and Freeman at first next year. Pitching is fine and maybe a couple of new outfielders……looking good for next year
Gumby
October 12th, 2010
10:56 pm
I have to say that I got the best laughs out of both the posts by Joe Tess Fish House and responses. Joe I’m not sure if some of this was menat to be comedy but if not I can direct you to a new career, right up there with Larry the Cable Guy.
JRW7
October 12th, 2010
10:56 pm
Welcome back FREDI GONZALES, now hire CHIPPER as new hitting coach!!!!
BravesFan
October 12th, 2010
10:56 pm
Great choice. Now hopefully he will fire TP and McDowell, bring in a real hitting coach and Mazzone back as pitching coach.
Crast
October 12th, 2010
10:56 pm
I am not even watching the game. I am watching the rescue of the chilean miners. Now that is amazing stuff.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:57 pm
Steve — Phillies sweep or in 5. Giants great starting pitching but otherwise they didn’t impress me.
TheAntiMe
October 12th, 2010
10:57 pm
Fredi G. is a great hire and the Braves are lucky to have him. Just like Bobby Cox was, Gonzalez is well respected by the knowledgeable people inside of MLB.
Of course, it’s not a shock that the clueless ones who always bashed Bobby Cox after the games but would never give him credit for the moves that he made that worked – and there were many as you don’t win 2,500 games without knowing how to manage – they are wasting no time trashing Gonzalez and I’m sure will continue to trash him every year that he doesn’t win a World Series Title. It has never occurred to them that if it were so easy to win one then you wouldn’t have teams that have gone a century without winning one.
They may have the biggest mouths but, believe me, just as the Cox bashers were, they are in a very cluless minority.
Steve
October 12th, 2010
10:57 pm
When was the last time the home team lost every game in a playoff series? Tampa is about done.
Hope
October 12th, 2010
10:57 pm
I hope he’s not a bobby clone.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:58 pm
The Imposer — Got no problems with posters messing with each other. Just have a problem with below-gutter references, if you know what I mean. It’s a public forum so just keep it clean.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
10:58 pm
Texas up 5-1 in the 9th
ADAM
October 12th, 2010
10:59 pm
Steve
Well how about this. The last 8 playoff series with the braves. They have lost the past 8 series at home. That is unacceptable and disgusting.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
10:59 pm
Younger Than That Now — I’m sorry. Were you reading the book? Fredi Gonzalez gets the job in Chapter 12.
Wandering Georgian
October 12th, 2010
10:59 pm
Really, this was the only call to make. Right guy for the job; if the Braves can stay healthy (unlike this year), they have a shot at the division and advancing past the first round of the playoffs.
Steve
October 12th, 2010
11:00 pm
I agree Jeff. Philly is amazing. I don’t see Leo ever being a pitching coach again. Not sure why people are hoping for that. Roger has done a great job.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
11:00 pm
Will mess yu Jo
Younger Than That Now
October 12th, 2010
11:01 pm
JS… seriously here, are there any rumors, rumblings or just plain ole gossip about a new owner (as in a real person) and releasing a few more $$$$? Inquiring minds want to know!
jimmymack
October 12th, 2010
11:01 pm
what happened to my second comment
dexterdawg
October 12th, 2010
11:02 pm
OR the Joe Tess Fish House impersonator is A Moron just freaking nuts a psychopath. That really sucks more than anything imaginable. Really really sucks. The internet is full of 35 year old adolescents that thrive on third grade pranks and fart jokes.They reside in moms basement and eat cheerios all day out of plastic bowls with forks. They arent happy unless everyone else is miserable. to the real Joe Tess Fish House I support your first amendment rights to stand up and say what you feel in a nice way. To the imposters of the world… get a life and a job. nuff said nuff respect. will the real Joe Tess Fish House please stand up. we got you back
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
11:02 pm
Agree with our current pitching coach doing a good job.
Supes
October 12th, 2010
11:02 pm
I guess wait and see, no way to know if it’s a “good hire or bad” you’ve gotta give the new manager some time before you make a statement like that.
jimmymack
October 12th, 2010
11:04 pm
you blew me away with being so right
Pauly D
October 12th, 2010
11:05 pm
Steve, that is the reply i get. That is weak. Really showed your baseball knowledge on that one, chump.
Kimbrel4Closer
October 12th, 2010
11:07 pm
Jeff-
Have any idea if the Braves will try a sweep of the coaching staff (and trainers) or do you think they will stick with most of them?
Al
October 12th, 2010
11:07 pm
first miner is coming up. and it’s not mike. hehe
JRW7
October 12th, 2010
11:07 pm
Fredi Gonzales, NEW Atlanta Braves Manager, MLB Manager of the Year, 2011!!!
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
11:08 pm
Steve — Agree. I don’t get the criticism of Roger McDowell.
TN_BravesFan
October 12th, 2010
11:09 pm
I think I can be objective because I have never really liked Freddi. I probably look at him like someone explained about how they felt about Billy Wagner. I hated Billy when he was with other teams. After seeing him for a year and especially the SI article, I have a great admiration for him. Same for Freddi. I’ve now read some of his views and I do think that bunch in south florida deserve clowns of the year award. They will probably look at Freddi like Ted Turner looked at Bobby when he fired him. Ted was man enough to admit his mistake. I just hope the Braves stick with whoever they hire for the long term. I do feel that if its Freddi or someone else, they will be capable. I also hope they don’t try to fill Bobby’s shoes because if they try they will fail miserably. I do however hope he adopts Bobby’s skills handling players and making decisions based on his instincts rather than what the fans or media expect of him. The manager will be the one with the most information needed to make decisions and he should be allowed to do so. I can’t say it enough. The people ripping Bobby will get an education in years to come. I do think if it is Freddi, the transition will be a lot smoother. Bobby may be gone, but will never be forgotten. In 10 or 20 or 30 years any fan of baseball will be quite aware of who Bobby Cox is, but I bet if they know who Jeffery Loria is, it will only be because he was the only owner that failed to recognize and salute Bobby. Lastly, I have a deeper respect for Bruce Bochy and his players after their graciousness last night. There is not a lot of times in sports that good things make you teary eyed, It’s usually something bad that evokes the tears. My vote for Freddi’s replacement in a few years is Chipper.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
11:10 pm
Younger Than That Now – Don’t hold me to this but I think for tax/ledger reasons, Braves will be in Liberty Media fold for at least one more year. I know. Not the answer you were looking for. (Or the passion.)
Brave Observer
October 12th, 2010
11:10 pm
I’m ready for APRIL!
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
11:10 pm
ALDS is over — Texas over Tampa. Home team LOST EVERY GAME. Oh, and Jeff Francoeur is in the LCS.
PMC
October 12th, 2010
11:11 pm
Great Choice for Freddie, that said. Jeff Francouer is about to play in a championship series. Currently he would be our 2nd best all around outfielder and possibly the best defensively. Wow.
Um. Frank Wren has a lot of work to do positionally.
Younger Than That Now
October 12th, 2010
11:11 pm
JS… I do have a good book recommendation for you. I got mine about two weeks ago after reading a plug that I saw in a Boston fan program… something like ChopTalk.
It’s titled “Big Hair and Plastic Grass… a funky ride thru baseball and America in the swinging 70’s”. Just came out this summer and it brings back a lot of things that I’d almost forgotten. GITU1!
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
11:11 pm
Kimbrel4Closer — Addressed that earlier, I think most will be retained but can’t be certain.
Jeff Schultz
October 12th, 2010
11:13 pm
Younger Than That Now — Hah. I like the title.
Ron Gardenhose
October 12th, 2010
11:13 pm
Let the choking continue with Fredi Cox.
BTW, Andrus and Francoeur are laughing at the Boobster.
Notch Johnson
October 12th, 2010
11:14 pm
Hey Joe Tess, are you a Georgia Bull Dog football player?
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
11:14 pm
Jeff, off the topic a little but: Do you think Chipper will retire?
Kimbrel4Closer
October 12th, 2010
11:15 pm
Thanks…I may be stupid for feeling this way but we have had a lot of strains and pulled muscles in the past 3 or 4 years and I wonder if the training staff and/or coaches have anything to do with that…
ajc pariah
October 12th, 2010
11:17 pm
I, the pariah,approve this hiring.Now let’s hope we can scrounge up a thumper or two to help the pitching staff.With three top shelf starters,hopefully the exposure of Minor and Beachy will reveal a fourth and fifth until Medlen can get well.I am encouraged with our young relievers.Pray Venters arm doesn’t fall off.A little attention to fundamentals would be welcome also.
1/33
October 12th, 2010
11:18 pm
1 miner rescued out of 33. That’s almost as good a % as booby’s playoff %.
dale in newnan
October 12th, 2010
11:18 pm
Hell Yeah!!!! Love the hire. Quality manager who believes in the fundamentals; expects his players to be professional; gets a hell of a lot out of his talent. Feel exponentially better about next year. Now lets go get some power in the outfield.
TheAntiMe
October 12th, 2010
11:19 pm
Give Joe Tess a break. He’s got a right to his opinion and I’m not sure what his primary language is but I know that I couldn’t write using it in a way that anyone could comprehend. More power to him.
JASon
October 12th, 2010
11:21 pm
Bobby Cox was a holdover from a time in which Atlanta didn’t compete on a national level, in anything. He lucked into a system with a brilliant GM and an owner willing to spend. Lets be honest, a panhandler from woodruff park could have managed those teams to a world series. With Mike Smith and now Fredi Gonzalez, this city is finally on par with other national competitors and markets. Where it should be.
Bobby C
October 12th, 2010
11:21 pm
Try frying fish and typing at the same time…..Joe’s done well!
todd s
October 12th, 2010
11:22 pm
great hire.. and he can also speak spanish to all our young latino pitchers in the minors.. excellent choice.. a players manager in bobby’s mold. perfect fit!
Ueeediot
October 12th, 2010
11:23 pm
Fredi is a smart manager and a student of the game. People in this town wouldnt recognize baseball coaching if it smacked them. You think it was an accident that Eric Hinske was at bat in the bottom of the 8th Saturday night? Most of the people who post on this blog would have to fire themselves from every job they ever attempted, that is if they held themselves to the same standard they claim to hold Cox to.
I recall most of the managers in here wanted Glaus to start playing 3b back in mid august. Some even earlier. Did you see him last night? The man can barely walk much less jog to first.
rabiddawg
October 12th, 2010
11:26 pm
Great Hire!!! One thing that nobody has mentioned. FG was very well respected and liked among his Marlin players especially an all star slugging second baseman who is now a free agent. He would probably love to play with out lineup.
Peter
October 12th, 2010
11:27 pm
Hope..great point…..
Playing softball style baseball hasn’t been a great way to go.
The Rangers beat the Rays with speed and aggressive base running…….This is something the Braves have lacked, and then traded away.
If Fredi is a Bobby clone…..then a World Championship won’t happen.
The Braves need to get younger, and faster.
Biff Pocoroba was underrated
October 12th, 2010
11:31 pm
If Fredi and TP are buddies, it’d be hard to fire him. It’s also hard to keep him if Fredi thinks TP had designs on the job himself. Maybe Chipper would come back as hitting coach allowing Prado and Infante to play everyday. Maybe Chip would now, at last, move to first if Freeman is not ready. Maybe KK can be traded for two packs of rice a roni and spring training will get here quickly.
Joe
October 12th, 2010
11:31 pm
I believe Cox is Coxian except that he had to pull a player for loafing, and will bench a player for being very immature. My theory is that Fredi will make sure everyone acts like a Jason Heyward (patient, respectful to everyone, and is ready to compete day in and day out).
Speed will be a big big factor for the Braves on the base paths and small ball will be a great game factor that will cause a lot of errors on opposing teams, and Fredi will work on the Braves infield with fielding techniques, and getting some guys who have the capability of being Gold Glovers.
Daniel
October 12th, 2010
11:40 pm
1) I wonder if Fredi will let our starters go for complete games when they are dealing. We haven’t had a complete game thrown by a starter since 2008.
2) I wonder if he will give the bunt sign more than Bobby Cox did when he have a guy on 1st and no outs.
3) I wonder if he’ll keep his closer (Kimbrel??) in there if he gets in a rough spot and gives him a vote of confidence to settle down and put the opposing team away (unless of course our closer is in really deep trouble).
Gatorman
October 12th, 2010
11:41 pm
If he’s like Cox in some respects that’s fine, but he needs to understand what Cox never did, the Braves will never have enough money to load this team up with high priced free agents. If he’s to win here, it’s always going to be younger players with a blend of average veterans. They will have to concentrate of getting and keeping the best pitchers they can find. Chipper is playing his last year, and many of the veterans from this year will be gone. He’s got to have an eye for young talent like Minnesota has had to win anything, going to the world series is going to difficult, and winning almost impossible. He’s got to do better having a cohesive line up to play every day, and stop this insane platooning with most the outfield.
JRW7
October 12th, 2010
11:42 pm
Fredi, We need more hitting, more team speed, and more defense! GO BRAVES!!!
Daniel
October 12th, 2010
11:44 pm
I also hope he gives the righty-lefty, lefty-righty thing a break. It was kinda crazy watching Bobby put a pinch hitter in to have the other team change pitchers and then Bobby pinch hit for the pinch hitter, effectively burning a man.
myra
October 12th, 2010
11:44 pm
The Braves will surely not make the mistake of firing Roger McDowell. He has helped us win many a game. The pitching staff has responded to him way beyond our hopes. Great starting pitching,and fantastic bullpen. I give mad props to Rog.
TheAntiMe
October 12th, 2010
11:45 pm
I’m afraid that I’m not very optimistic about Liberty Media giving Frank Wren much if any more money to play with this offseason, so that means no Jayson Werth for the outfield.
That being said, Frank Wren can, hopefully, be a bit more creative this offseason and find an outfielder who can at least hit .275 with 20 HRs and 90 RBIs. Even though I would like to see better than that, it would be a great improvement over anyone the Braves currently have to play the outfield. Yes, J. Heyward hit .277 and was close in HRs but no other outfielder was close in the power department.
Also, since the Braves did finish 20 games over .500 with 91 wins, hopefully, Liberty Media will reward that very good performance by budgeting a few more resources for their Bravos. The last thing we need is for them to say, “Now that we’ve got Fredi Gonzalez, who has proven he can do a lot with a little, we can scrimp even more on the Braves.” I can dream, can’t I?
JOD
October 12th, 2010
11:51 pm
YES!!! THANK GOD, TOO BAD YUNEL IS NOT GOING TO BE MENTORED BY FREDI, AND BE ABLE TO PROSPER.
myra
October 12th, 2010
11:51 pm
Does anyone else get sort of a sour stomach looking at the ‘used to b ours guys’ playing for Atlanta West….um ..I mean Texas.
Will b interesting to see Cliff Lee battle his future employeer the NY Yankees
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 12th, 2010
11:52 pm
AWESOME!! I hoped and thought this would happen but I was so afraid they might do something stupid.
I agree with some of the above comments. Anybody that knows anything about baseball applauds this decision. This is a guy who was forced to have the lowest budget in MLB and still put together teams with back to back winning seasons that just barely missed the playoffs. The Braves will give him twice as much to work with. I am excited to see what he will do with it.
Plus he seems to know when to pull a player at the right time. He has made nothing but sweet lemonade out of sour lemons.
Thank you Braves, this was definitely the right call.
REAL Braves fan
October 12th, 2010
11:54 pm
I think the Braves should explore trading Heyward now… he is becoming Franceur without the defense…
Ueeediot
October 12th, 2010
11:55 pm
Remember, they are about to break up that Tampa team. There are several good players over there I would like to have. Also may be a shakeup in Minnesota.
I hear Adam Dunn is a FA
JOD
October 12th, 2010
11:57 pm
I JUST HOPE HE DOESNT HAVE FAVORITES LIKE BOOBY DID, AND WILL YANK SOMEONE WHEN THEY ARE NOT PERFORMING.
Richard Starkey
October 12th, 2010
11:57 pm
Hey BUCK BELUE…now you know whose boots you have to lick next season. I don’t think I have ever heard such a shameless cheerleader in any market as old “one hit wonder” Belue during Braves coverage. I think both him and B.O. Mazzone would marry Bobby Cox if he asked them.
JOD
October 12th, 2010
11:59 pm
INFANTE AND PRADO NEED THE BE AT 2ND AND SS PERIOD!
JOD
October 13th, 2010
12:01 am
TIME TO RID OUR SELVES OF THE DEAD WEIGHT SS ALEX GONZALEZ, AND START FROM SCRATCH.
Love the Braves in NC
October 13th, 2010
12:03 am
Right call by Braves for Fredi.
myra
October 13th, 2010
12:03 am
hey richard did u notice how when 680 signed up w/Braves that ole kincaid sure was a lot quieter about his feel-ees this year. In years past he RAILED on and on about them and how the Braves were crap.
Guess McGuirk and Wren didn’t want to hear his trashin of the “Brand”
J-Hey
October 13th, 2010
12:05 am
Fredi’s a good hire, brings that familiar face back into the mix. I’m curious if he’ll have the “Staying Power” that Bobby had … these days you just don’t see one team keeping the same manager for so long.
I like Roger McD too but Pendleton I’m not set on. I think the Braves need to go back to the player-manager days and finally set up Chipper in his second career while he’s still playing his first.
Younger Than That Now
October 13th, 2010
12:07 am
TheAntiMe
“The last thing we need is for them to say, “Now that we’ve got Fredi Gonzalez, who has proven he can do a lot with a little, we can scrimp even more on the Braves.”
I agree and it scares me to death! I really don’t think McGuirk will allow that to happen though… at least I’m hoping. I don’t wish for bottomless pockets like the Yankees, Muts, Boston et al… but it would be nice to see them cut loose a few more $$$$ and try to fill a couple of needs that don’t appear to be hanging their gear at Gwinnett. But I just feel like the Braves are more or less like the GBPackers, and you can’t point to a guy and say “there’s the owner”, like we could when Captain T had the club… and I’m not wishing for the early Ted… all bucks and no brains.
Arthur Blank is the owner of the Falcons and everybody knows it, but he’s smart enough to let the people who know about “football” and the “business of football” do their jobs… and there’s a difference in the two… and then sit back and write the checks like the Captain did in the later years. It’s just a feeling of Liberty Media being a smaller version of Time-Warner. Maybe I’m wishing for something that’s not gonna ever happen, and I may live to regret that wish… but I’m willing to take that chance.
Whatever else happens now… I’m happy with Fredi G at the wheel, so let’s roll!
Dr. R
October 13th, 2010
12:10 am
Great choice indeed, but let’s hope Braves fans don’t hang him out to dry the first time they get shut out and clueless yahoos want to blame the coaching staff for not coming up with a better offensive game plan.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 13th, 2010
12:12 am
J-Hey,
I completely agree with the Chipper thought. I know it is now unorthodox, but I would not mind seeing Chipper as 3B and Batting Coach next season. Look at what he did with turning McClouth’s swing around (you have to admit that McClouth looks way better now than he did earlier this season).
Regardless, I think they have to let Pendleton go. I loved to watch him as a player but it seems like our hitting keeps getting worse (even J-Hey started to decline..) with Pendleton as hitting coach. Did you notice that Philly fired its hitting coach when they started to slump and instantly they started to hit again. It seems that all the mediocre hitters that left here recently went on to hit great at other Teams (see Kelly Jonhson, Jeff Francoer to a lesser extent).
Ueeediot
October 13th, 2010
12:13 am
BJ Upton CF and Evan Longoria 3B would be great additions over here.
Infield of Longoria, Gonzales, Prado, C Jones, with Infante and Freeman as backups
out field of Diaz Upton Heyward
Wonder if Joe Mauer can play 1b…Werth would be an interesting FA sign…Carlos Pena at 1b would be awesome too…
Quicherbichin
October 13th, 2010
12:17 am
Bravo, AntiMe!!! well said!!! Mitchell and company will continue to whine, and I will continue to be the voice of reason! After all…. If Mitchell had managed the 1962 Mets, they would have gone 162-0 and swept the AL winner away in 4 games, because Mitchell knows more about baseball than both Bobby Cox AND Casey Stengel!!! Mitchell’s coaching would have the pitchers never allowing a hit and the b batting 1.000. he has never made a mistake. just ask him… He’ll tell you.atters
Ueeediot
October 13th, 2010
12:18 am
The problem with Liberty Media is the same as with ESPN. Its run by people who were born and raised in the Northeast and by and large dont think much of Atlanta or care about the fans or the team. They are interested purely in the profitability of the enterprise.
MLB needs owners who are vested in their teams directly and we as fans need owners who are themselves fans. Look around at the successful teams in all sports. They are all owned by narcissistic egomaniacs. (Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, Al Davis…)
Najeh Davenpoop
October 13th, 2010
12:22 am
I have no idea what kind of a manager Fredi Gonzalez is, but if he has the Bobby Cox stamp of approval, I think he can counted on to at least be pretty good.
MitchC
October 13th, 2010
12:34 am
For a brief time, before I heard about Freddi being hired, the idea of Torre crossed my mind, except for one problem. He’s too old. Joe is 70, Freddi will be only 47 when next season starts. It isnt likely Torre would stay more than 2-3 years. If Freddi can be successful, he;s at the age where he can stay several to even 10 years.
Hopefully, Chipper will and can return. The pitching is fine, but we do need one more run producer to be a serious threat The offense in the playoffs was pitiful.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 13th, 2010
12:38 am
Just a poll: what does everyone else think of Chipper being a player-coach next season ala 3B and Hitting Coach?
I know player-coaches have not been seen in a while, but in this case it makes perfect sense to me…
idot
October 13th, 2010
12:45 am
I wouldn’t want Torre anywhere near the arms of our young pitchers in that bullpen.
idot
October 13th, 2010
12:50 am
Joe Fishbreath @10:14…….I am supprised that you do not want the Braves to hire Terrel Owen as the new manager, considering all the man love you express for him, on the Falcon blogs.
Younger Than That Now
October 13th, 2010
12:54 am
Hitting coach and playing 3B at the same time… that’s a pretty good idea but not sure if it would ever come about. Chipper would probably be fine with it as long as he’s here and playing, but once he retires I don’t think you’ll see him again unless it’s to accept some type of honor or seeing Bobby Cox honored in some way. He would be good at it, but I’ve seen his dad up close and personal as a hitting coach, and for more than a few minutes, and he would be a great pick for hitting coach… better than most I’ve seen in action.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 13th, 2010
1:13 am
Younger Than That Now – thanks for the insights in to his character. I have watched Chipper since he was a rookie. To me he is as synonymous with the Atlanta Braves as Bobby Cox. I cannot imagine him not in a Braves uniform (during baseball season at least) or not connected to the Atlanta Braves in some capacity. I knew he was calm and focused 100 percent of the time, but I had no idea he was the quiet type or would just walk away completely. Wagner maybe, but not Chipper…
Fredi Gonzalez
October 13th, 2010
1:24 am
[...] Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Tuesday. View. UPDATE 9:45pmPeter over at Capitol Avenue CluFredi Gonzalez – The Atlanta Braves are expected to hire former Florida Marlins skipper Fredi Gonzalez as manager, [...]
truth sir em
October 13th, 2010
1:33 am
That should have been Terry Pendleton’s job. look for moral to fall.
kreedham
October 13th, 2010
1:35 am
My guess is Fredi will keep Eddie, Roger and Glenn but he’ll want his own bench coach and 3rd base guy! As far as TP goes it’s a coin flip but I’ll bet he’s gone!
kreedham
October 13th, 2010
1:45 am
This is a little crazy and not likely to happen but….remember when Roger Clemens didn’t sign right away and by not doing so had to start about a third of the way into the season. Maybe Wagner could be talked into that…you know don’t turn in those retirement papers and join the team in June.
sportsmandh
October 13th, 2010
2:01 am
I am pumped about Fredi. You know he’s gonna love it and have a great incentive to stick it to the Marlins every year. And he knows how to duke it out with the Phils. Not sure about the numbers but I think the Marlins have fared pretty well verse the Phils the last few years.
I would’ve been kinda happy too if they’d talked to Torre, but it’s a no brainer. Fredi is a perfect fit and so much younger.
Fredi Gonzalez
October 13th, 2010
2:04 am
[...] Fredi Gonzalez Is Braves' Perfect Choice To Replace Cox | Jeff Schultz From the moment he inexplicably was fired as the Florida Marlins’ manager — and maybe even before — Fredi Gonzalez looked like the obvious choice to. [...]
Nobleman
October 13th, 2010
2:19 am
Great hire, don’t forget that screwy owner of the Marlins fired Joe G, the Yankee manager too. I’d like to see a new batting coach, can’t hurt.
Darn... It's over
October 13th, 2010
2:19 am
http://pricezack.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/the-end-of-an-era/ pretty interesting read for all braves fans
TheAntiMe
October 13th, 2010
2:20 am
Good point about Fredi wanting to stick it to the Marlins, sportsmandh. If anyone were to ask him, I’m sure he would say that he has no desire to stick it to the Marlins and that they are just another team. But, Fredi would be less than human if he didn’t want to beat the crud out of the team owned by the egomaniac who had no appreciation for the fine job that Gonzalez did with the Marlins.
This is a welcome bonus as, I believe, that Fredi can be a major impetus toward finally being able to consistently beat a team that has seemingly had the Braves number ever since they came into the league.
Now, if only he can do something about those darned Nationals, as well.
P. Bull Terrier
October 13th, 2010
2:29 am
I wonder what FREDI Gonzalez would have said to ALEX Gonzalez when he didn’t bother to run to first base in Game 4 the other night.
Bravedawg
October 13th, 2010
2:30 am
Fredi will be a great hire. Look at what he did with a whole lot less than Bobby had. Let him use the resources that Bobby had and see what he can do. It should make for some exciting years.
As for Fredi’s handling of the Ramirez incident, he won’t have to worry about that here. The Braves have always had a business-like, classy attitude amongst the players and coaches. No one was brought in that thought they were bigger than the team. And if the attitude began to emerge, the player didn’t stay around long. The players kinda policed themselves.
As for Chipper, I’m willing to bet he plays another year (if capable), retires a life-long Brave, then becomes the hitting coach. He’ll stay with the organization, but no way stay in an office. If he finds out in the Spring that he is unable to play the caliber he wants, he’ll be a hitting instructor in the minors for the year, then move up the following year.
kirkinga
October 13th, 2010
2:36 am
I’m a big TP supporter primarily because I believe the offensive numbers have been much better than they were under his predesessors. I think the numbers have exceeded the talent level on the teams each season even with some high profile failures.
That said, I think it would be best for TP to move on, take over another team and do well.
In sports, it seems as if 99% of those who follow legends never are able to duplicate the successes and most do not last very long. I’d be surprised if Gonzalez is here 5 years from now, especially if the Braves don’t make the playoffs once or twice. There doesn’t appear to be any advantage for TP should he stick around.
If he leaves and has success, then he would probably head the list of potential Gonzalez successors. If Ned Yost turns the Royals around then he may be atop that list as well. Of course this assumes stable ownership and a desire to stay in-house when choosing managers.
So I wish Gonzalez the best of luck and hope he can be that rare exception that is able to stick after taking over for a legend. Unless Liberty increases payroll, then the Braves are going to still be constrained by Chipper’s and Lowe’s contracts. There also doesn’t appear to be much in the way of talented position players in the minors. So improving the roster quickly doesn’t appear to be in the immediate future.
Good luck Fredi, you got what you wanted.
wxwax
October 13th, 2010
2:42 am
*snort*
Gonazles
*snarckle*
Younger Than That Now
October 13th, 2010
3:00 am
“Darn… it’s over”… thanks for the link to that article. That was well written and a good summary of a lot of people’s feelings. That is the one thing that irritates me about the Bobby Cox bashers here… they are entitled to their opinion and the opportunity to express it, but this is not the time or the place for it. And as I mentioned to Mark Bradley Monday night after game… I wish for one time, just one time, that those bashers would give it a rest for a while and just let those that want to express their thoughts, thanks and appreciation for Bobby Cox have a little time and a little space to do it without having to try to brush that to the side.
Anyway… thanks for that and I endorse your endorsement of it.
Fredi Gonzalez is Braves' perfect choice to replace Cox | Jeff Schultz | ENA news
October 13th, 2010
3:49 am
[...] Original post: Fredi Gonzalez is Braves' perfect choice to replace Cox | Jeff Schultz [...]
Darkpassenger
October 13th, 2010
5:35 am
The real question is, what the H*ll is wrong with Jeff Loria’s face?
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__63/ept_sports_mlb_experts-174436561-1283698613.jpg?ym2OUuDDPGU5aG__
Seriously, is that just the way he looks? Was he in some kind of accident? Is his face melting?
Revived Braves Fan
October 13th, 2010
5:52 am
I read all the above blogs with interest and the overwhelming majority approve of the hiring of FG. I have no opinion until at least one full season
under FG is completed. However, I do wish him the best and hope Braves
will get the players they need to compete with the Phillies.
Chipper's ACL
October 13th, 2010
5:58 am
At least Wren didn’t need to think about this one. Was there really another choice as Bobby’s replacement? I’m sure Fredi was high on most teams wish list. Now the questions arise about his coaching staff. Will he bring some or most of the Fla staff to Atl? MAybe St. Claire in as pitching coach. McDowell seemed to do an ok job but I don’t feel Hanson has been handled correctly. His stats are good but watching him all season not work off that blazing fastball, that’s a coaching issue. It was sickening seeing this kid try to throw his second or third best pitch to get a first pitch strike. First pitch fastball should be his rule and locating it is what needs to be defined. Could be McCann calling for it or Tommy waving it off but it boils down to the coach taking control. St. Claire also worked with all of the studs in the Marlins rotation. Should be interesting. I could also see Dave Collins as 1B coach. No offense to Hubby but most successful teams 1B coach had been a threat to steal a base during their playing time. Collins was one of the best during his time and this team sure needs to be aggressive on the bases. I think Perez will return in the pen or maybe even as the bench coach. I hope TP doesn’t return because his hitting style isn’t condusive to this team. You coach to a players abilities, not try to reform everyone to your style. We drew tons of walks but it sure got old watching every batter take two strikes. I’d love to see an aggressive hitting coach brought in but can’t think of anyone that may be available. Should be an interesting next few days.
Kbrab
October 13th, 2010
6:53 am
Great hire. It’s the one I wanted and expected. The only coach I hope is replaced is TP. A good man, but I just don’t think he really is able to help hitters as effectively as you want in the bigs.
Troy Glaus
October 13th, 2010
7:14 am
Frank Wren is an idiot.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 13th, 2010
7:16 am
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E-6
October 13th, 2010
7:16 am
A good and logical hire. The Dave Collins suggestion above is fascinating – particularly after watching Texas run Tampa Bay out of the playoff last night and not with burners but guys like Molina and Vlady. I would also opt for a different bench coach and if we hire someone like Collins find another role for Hub – excellent infield coach..
danbo
October 13th, 2010
7:17 am
Good hire only if he boots TP out. We have needed a real batting coach for years. TP has taken many 300 hitters and in just weeks got them down to 150….
If TP goes the Braves will have a much improved team next year.
Big G
October 13th, 2010
7:17 am
Bobby Cox was an OK manager. If you gave me the best starting rotation the game has ever seen, Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz, I guarantee you I would have won more World Series than Bobby did.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 13th, 2010
7:17 am
Opps I hit enter 2 soon. Its good 2 see that oters see it the way I do and Gonzales is not the write hire. Thanks for the support.
Kudzu Rules
October 13th, 2010
7:26 am
Now its time for Wren to acquire some legitimate hitters !
Gen Neyland
October 13th, 2010
7:28 am
Guess Bobby got a gift from the Marlins afterall…
Kudzu Rules
October 13th, 2010
7:28 am
Big G,
Give Joe Torre or Tony LaRussa the talent Bobby Cox had from 1991-96, Atlanta would have 3 World Championships instead of one.
Troy Glaus
October 13th, 2010
7:34 am
Joe Torre? He is a terrible manager. He jumped ship in LA because the Dodgers wont give him talent. He is the most overrated manager. Anyone can win with the Yankees, look what Joe Garidi did in his first year
LaRussa had Carpenter, Wainwright, Pujols, Hallday and couldnt make the playoffs lol
ATLfan15
October 13th, 2010
7:35 am
I like the idea of having Fredi G. as our new manager. Have to be honest though, it wasn’t much of a surprise to me.
Welcome back Fredi…looking forward to spring training 2011!
Go Braves!!
Bill M.
October 13th, 2010
7:45 am
I’m find with the choice but he has to be his own man. I think they should try a different hitting coach. Please don’t start bring back Mazzone. Mazzone left on his own for more money and you see what happened. McDowell is respected by the pitchers and he is alot younger than Mazzone. I’m sure Fredi would want to bring in some of his coaches.
Daphne
October 13th, 2010
7:46 am
Congratulations Freddy on your new job!!!!!!!!! I remember seeing you play ball at Southridge in 1982 (SMH). Go Spartan!!!!!!!!!! Now I have a reason to purchase Braves tickets.
Tami
October 13th, 2010
7:56 am
Beautiful news! I knew it wasn’t a question of IF the Braves would name Fredi the new manager, but WHEN. Welcome back, Fredi!!
jfreak13713
October 13th, 2010
8:01 am
Gonzalez on paper looks like a great hire and I’m sure glad to have him here in Atlanta. However, its up to Wren to give him something to work with. Either way its a pretty safe pick and hopefully a good one.
Wright
October 13th, 2010
8:01 am
I think this is a good choice. Hopefully Fredi can manage a pitching staff better than Bobby, that was Bobby’s main weakness.
Ricardo
October 13th, 2010
8:04 am
You heard it hear first – Atlanta Spirit will openly try and purchase the Braves from LM in the nxt 6 months. I’m not saying that I want it to happen, only that it will.
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October 13th, 2010
8:09 am
[...] 8:05 p.m. The AJC reported last night that Fredi Gonzalez will be named the next Atlanta Braves manager and will be introduced Thursday to the media. Two unmanned sources confirmed the report. Gonzalez, 46, will succeed his former boss and mentor Bobby Cox, who retired after 29 seasons as a major league manager, including 25 with the Braves. Jeff Schultz: Gonzalez is the perfect fit. [...]
papadawg
October 13th, 2010
8:13 am
I hope he’s NOT just like Cox and knows how to win with small ball and doesn’t keep Pendleton
Jack This
October 13th, 2010
8:18 am
hiring a fired manager not the smartest move, they are usually fired for a good reason…Joe Torre already managed the Braves and everyone else, please just go away to the retirement home along with Cox, why does management keep hiring these people?
ATLfan15
October 13th, 2010
8:18 am
@jfreak: starting out, i think Fredi has just as much to work with now (roster-wise) as Loria gave him with the Marlins…which isn’t saying a whole lot. LOL
ATLfan15
October 13th, 2010
8:20 am
let me clarify my comment: same low payroll without a bunch of stars in the lineup. and yet, the Marlins managed to compete.
mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache
October 13th, 2010
8:23 am
McDowell is great. We should not get rid of him. Look what he did with Lowe at the end of the season.
papadawg
October 13th, 2010
8:33 am
Mazzone got to much credit for what he supposedly did in the 90s. I could have coached that group of pitchers. He & Cox both are going to the hall of shame on the backs of Smoltz, Maddox & Glavine
scott
October 13th, 2010
8:47 am
If Fredi doesn’t work out there is Smolts and Glavin waiting in line for the Brave manager job . And i predict one day soon that Chipper will become the Braves new hitting coach .
Blackberry Cobbler
October 13th, 2010
8:47 am
Now, get rid of TP and bring on Smoltz as pitching coach and Chipper as hitting coach.
1911A1
October 13th, 2010
8:59 am
+1 on Chipper as hitting coach. Welcome home, Fredi!
wardenerd
October 13th, 2010
9:00 am
we braves fans look on the Marlins as a bunch of losers but the truth is they have twice as many world series wins as we do. How they went about it makes no difference. facts are facts. The Braves under achieved when they were the best team in baseball and overachieved when they weren’t. Good bye Bobby although you won’t be going very far to the front office. You can’t let a reliever with a 99 mile an hour fastball throw sliders from the front office so we haave a chance to win some big games.
Turtsnap
October 13th, 2010
9:01 am
Gonzalez is liked and respected by all players, minus Hanley….
Gonna Miss Bobby But Like Fredi, That's For Darn Sure
October 13th, 2010
9:05 am
Perfect hire and glad he’s on board! The Organization rocks on!
Kevin
October 13th, 2010
9:07 am
I didn’t realize Florida didn’t honor Cox. What a joke! No wonder those people love wearing Jorts and neon colored clothing.
The Temporary Mascot formerly known as Russ
October 13th, 2010
9:07 am
He’s permanent, right? Not a temp? I wish him well and hope he will conduct an entirely different spring training for these Braves. Let’s get the pitchers where they can run to base without pulling a hammy. Let’s get the fielders going to the right base and hitting the cutoff. Everyone learns to bunt and hit behind a runner. Everyone learns to run the bases. Less golf. Less fishing. Less NASCAR. More baseball. Win early. The early games count the same as the ones in September. Most importantly, no nose picking. None. Even a little dog knows not to pick his nose on television.
Chipper's ACL
October 13th, 2010
9:07 am
With new management comes change. Even though Fredi was tought by Cox, he has his own style. He believes in small ball and the three run homer. He has also gotten the most from his players. Uggla is a good example. The concerns shouldn’t be with the coaching staff but with how Wren is going to build this team for the future. The team is stuck with 2 bad contracts (Nate and KK), the weakest outfield group in MLB again, and defense that mirrors a 5-6 year old team. Do they continue to up Diaz salary? Good person, good against lefties but at 2.5m with a possible raise? Do you trade Infante with his value being at a peak? Let’s all hope this winter will produce solid long term pieces and not band aid issues any longer. No Glaus signings. No Farnsworth trades. Dig in, search long and hard, and build a team. May not all fall in place next year but do it the right way. I’d love to see a deal worked out with TB for Bartlett and Zobrist.Could be possible if the Rays try to keep Crawford.
I think we all see issues with this team and could configure the roster to be competitive in our own way. All we can hope for is Wren lays it all on the table this winter and impacts this teams future in a positive way. I’m not holding my breath, but there’s always hope.
NEW CARS
October 13th, 2010
9:14 am
Jack,
What do Casey Stengel, Leo Durocher, Joe McCarthy, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, Bobby Cox, Lou Piniella and Fredi Gonzalez all have in common….They were all fired from managing positions..My biggest question is whether TP will be back and whether we will try to become a little more agressive offensively…I would like to see us run a little more, but that will depend on who’s playing LF and CF, as all the other positions are pretty much set.
I guess I’m fine with McDowell coming back as pitching coach, although I do think that we need to work on scouting and game plans with these young pitchers. It seems that too many times, the other teams were sitting on certain pitches, ala Huff against Dunn the other night..I think the key for Hanson, Kimbrell, Dunn, Venters as well as Beachy and Minor is to command the fastball, throwing it for strikes so they can work off it with their secondary pitches. that’s one thing that Leo seemed to pound into the guys and I’m not just talking about the big three. Guys like Remlinger, Burkett, Millwood were never better than when they were working with Leo.
AFSOC 1st Sgt
October 13th, 2010
9:16 am
Only time will tell if Fredi’s a good hire, but at first blush he looks like a good fit. As for Chipper becoming the hitting coach, yeah he’s probably pretty good at it, but why in the world would he want to do it? He wants to stay home with the kids not spend just as many days on the road a a coach as a player would. Oh…and how long before we get the Terrence Moore “Braves Miss Opportunity to be More Inclusive by not Hiring Terry Pendelton as Manager” cloumn?
Delvin
October 13th, 2010
9:18 am
As long as he is legal, I have no problem with the choice.
Dan
October 13th, 2010
9:21 am
Lets top this off with a cherry and go get Carl Crawford!!!!
Reid in EAV
October 13th, 2010
9:21 am
I love this hire, and saw it coming ever since Fredi turned down a shot at the Cubs. In Fredi we’ve got someone who is like Cox in all the best ways: loyal to players, dealing with issues behind closed doors instead of in the media (unless you are a bonehead like Hanley Ramirez, who went to the media first to whine). Plus, I happen to think he’s a slightly better in-game tactician than the great Cox. (Don’t get me wrong, you don’t win 2,500+ games without doing many things right, but I credit that more to Cox’s unerring ways in dealing with people than his knowing the exact right moment to make a pitching change.)
I think he’ll keep a lot of the same coaches — thank goodness — but TP may wish to move on of his own accord, since he didn’t get the job. He definitely should be a manager somewhere and deserves the opportunity. But I think we already have a darn good hitting coach already in the organization in Jamie Dismuke. Keeping Eddie Perez and Roger McDowell around is a must… particularly the latter. (Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Eddie ends up managing somewhere too — maybe in AAA.)
And if Chipper chooses to retire, we’d be idiots not to anoint him a part-time roving instructor and send him out to mold our youngsters.
As someone who saw an often hapless organization flail in the ’80s and remained a Braves fan anyway (hey, we’ll lose fewer than 90 games this year… right???) the way this organization now is going about his business is absolutely refreshing and great to see. I wish Fredi all the best and the opportunity to manage 20+ years, just like his mentor.
Biff Pocoroba
October 13th, 2010
9:22 am
Roger McDowell is probably staying. He and Fredi are neighbors.
jerry
October 13th, 2010
9:26 am
The evidence is clear. Talent wins, not managers. Gonzales had friends in high places and most certainly was not hired based on his record, which really is not as important as talent. If Wren and Liberty Media give him the talent to win, he will, if they don’t, he won’t.
DoninTococca
October 13th, 2010
9:27 am
Gotta say it … Fredi …is a great choice! Players like him and will play for him and he probably will keep most of the other coaches. It will be interesting next year. But, before then I’m just saying …. some heads will roll.
Tucker T
October 13th, 2010
9:29 am
The only thing surprising about this move is that it happened so fast. Great choice. Can’t wait for next season.
@WreckBuZZ
October 13th, 2010
9:32 am
Honestly, if they don’t sign Jayson Werth or Carl Crawford to play LF/CF, then it won’t matter who the manager is.
They need a big bat or a dynamic leadoff hitter to create some offense.
wintervillebrave
October 13th, 2010
9:33 am
Good hire. I think he has a little more fire than Bobby but generally runs things the same. I’ve often felt that edge is what the Braves needed in the postseason. I think if we can get the owners or a new owner that will support getting a complete team on the field then this could be a great thing for the Braves.
wintervillebrave
October 13th, 2010
9:35 am
Stop mentioning the losing record. It’s only becuase he waw working with an impossible situation in South florida. Baseball people know this and saw what Fredi was able to do with that. This guy can flat out coach!
wintervillebrave
October 13th, 2010
9:36 am
They need a big bat but I’m worried that Werth only succeeds because of who is surrouding him in the lineup. He was awful during the injury issues with the PHillies. But, I’d welcome seeing him come on board. As for Crawford, he’s a headcase and the Braves don’t get invovled in that kind of thing.
New to ATL
October 13th, 2010
9:44 am
go out and get Carl Crawford
jerry
October 13th, 2010
9:46 am
Gonzales was 35-36 when he was fired. The next manager went 45-46. If Gonzales made such a difference, there should have been a great drop off after he was fired. Where is it?
Dr. Phil
October 13th, 2010
9:48 am
Fredi is a great choice, but Wren remains an idiot whose stupid trades will hamstring any manager.
Randal Patrick McMurphy
October 13th, 2010
9:50 am
This is more of the same mediocrity we’re all accustomed to – Freddie Gonzalez IS NOT the answer to the manager question. Wanted some with exposure to the Braves organization with some FIRE in his belly… the answer quite well might be Ozzie Guillen… I’m just sayin’…
daBraves
October 13th, 2010
9:51 am
Hope Gonzalez doesn’t load down the Braves with all Latin players. They seem to have a chip on their shoulders. Tesh the Fish House guy is pulling somebody’s chain ding-a-ling! Gonzalez was an obvious choice as he has experience, ties to the Braves, and will make changes that will help the club without pissing everyone off right from the start. I hope Chipper can play 5 more years. He has learned alot this year and I believe it has helped him as a player and a potential coach and future manager. I apologize to the Latinos. I, also, dislike lazy white players, Afro-American’s that complain, and Native Americans who can’t do the chop correctly!
NEW CARS
October 13th, 2010
10:01 am
Jair Juurjens for Delmon Young. Anyone else interested in that deal…Then send McLouth, KK and Dunn to Toronta for Vernon Wells and cash…Resign Hinske and go pickup Wes Helms and a Coco Crisp type as the 4th outfielder and gave Vazquez an incentive laden contract and we are set.
Prado
Young
Heyward
Wells
Chipper
McCann
Freeman
Gonzalez
Infante
Helms
Ross
Crisp
Diory
Hinske
Hudson
Hanson
Lowe
Vazquez
Minor/Beachy
Venters
Kimbrel
Martinez
Moylan
Beachy
O’Flaherty
I like that lineup….If we are more agressive on the bases, Prado, Young, Wells and Heyward can all steal in double digits..We have too many slow guys locked in to turn into the ‘85 Cardinals…I think Young or Rasmus would be fair for Juurjens, as long as he’s proven healthy…Their salaries will be similar and he’s proven over 21/2 years to be a solid top of the rotation guy..I would feel better about having Vazqez in the rotation rather than both Beachy and Minor…A one year deal for him to reestablish he value and tide us over for Medlen, Teheran, Delgado or Beachy to be ready is fine with me..I will be curious to see, if they don’t trade Dunn, if Venters is given a shot at the rotation as some have speculated. His pitches would seem to play as a rotation guy. His stuff would seem to be wasted a little as a setup guy and I think Kimbrel is the man at closer.
We won 90 games with a mismatched lineup that got very little real power production and consistent starting pitching from really only three guys all season (Hudson, Hanson and Medlen) and inconsistent work in the field AND 2-3 black holes in the lineup AND no true SB threat AND injuries at every starting position AND lost 2 of their top 3 hitters and 2 starters basically for the season in August AND had last year’s team MVP go completely in the tank and Bobby still had the team in the playoffs (greatest runon sentence ever). Don, PL and the rest of clowns that have derided him over the years need to chew on that.
I would love to see him have one more year with the lineup constructed above.
My other big hope for the offseason is that Heyward gets healthy and gets those kinks out of his swing so he can go back to being the hitter he was earlier in the season.
MB
October 13th, 2010
10:22 am
AFSOC 1st Sgt:
Terrence Moore hasn’t written for AJC in quite a while. Where have you been?
Lanier Dawg
October 13th, 2010
10:42 am
Great hire and I am glad Freddie is back with the team. As far as the coaching, I am pretty sure everyone will be back. I don’t quite get the Roger McDowell stuff. He has been a great pitching coach for the Braves and really did well working Lowe and Hanson through their troubles this year. Look at what they were at the end of the season and understand that Roger helped these guys get back on track. Both have given him credit for it too. I will hold judgment on Pendleton until he has a chance to work with Gonzalez. Got to remind ourselves about the talent we had this year was average at best.
Oh and Kudzu – Tony LaRussa had much more talent than Bobby Cox has had in three different places. In Chicago he got one measly AL West pennant. In Oakland he had the best team on paper hands down from 1988 thru 1992 and got one Championship out of it. Now in St. Louis, he has had one the best NL teams this decade and has only one World Championship to show for it and even that was a fluke. This year he had the best pitching staff in the league and couldn’t muster 90 wins. Don’t sell Bobby short, because the Braves ran into some bad luck during the 1991-1996 playoff run.
Fred
October 13th, 2010
10:46 am
First GREAT move made Mr. Wren. Now if he can follow this by dumping all the garbage his has brought in then we will have much to look forward to in 2011;
Tennessee Brave
October 13th, 2010
10:46 am
Keep Lee and Gonzalez while Freeman and Hicks are coming up to speed. The pitching staff is fine as is. Spend the $$ and outbid the Yankees for Carl Crawford. We need the speed and power in the lead off spot. Write Kawakami a check and give him a plane ticket to Tokyo. They will win 100 games next year
bronkelliott
October 13th, 2010
10:47 am
Great hire, Hoping for a great season and a fresh start for The Bravos! I like his passion and think he is right for the position. Go Braves and let’s take it to the next level!
DawgDad
October 13th, 2010
10:49 am
I like the fact they made this move quickly. This is a message to the players, free agents, and the rest of the league that the Braves believe in how they run the organization and are very comfortable with the people and direction.
This is a roster that needs help, no doubt. We will see more rehab-style rent-a-players in the short term because the farm system isn’t producing everything the team needs, they don’t want to move top pitching prospects, and the purse strings aren’t likely to loosen.
I hope Wren learned a big lesson last year in the Vasquez trade; i.e., when you trade something of value you have to get something of value back. Braves would have been far better off landing a couple of postion player prospects (or even one top prospect), and they STILL need that infusion of youth and speed. And, before you trade for a hitter you need to check the ballpark effect on his stats. The Cabrera performance was EXPECTED, and so was the Gonzalez drop-off (though I think they make that trade regardless).
It will be interesting to see which fading vets get another shot. There are so many.
the real Old Gold
October 13th, 2010
10:56 am
“Joe Tess Fish House”…. the first step towards credibility is not misspelling the word “dumb” in your post, especially when there is spell check (not that anyone with an IQ over 75 would need it for that.
jojo
October 13th, 2010
10:56 am
LOOK FOR A NEW BENCH COACH,3B COACH. DON’T KNOW ABOUT TP, ROGER AND PEREZ SHOULD STAY. FIRST BASE COACH TOSS UP.
Joe Tess Fish House
October 13th, 2010
10:59 am
Why do sum of u want Chipper as bating caoch? All he will do is take them to Hoters to hit on women! LOL
Fogeyville
October 13th, 2010
11:10 am
Misteaks is what some fish has between ther years, er gills, U no what I meen?
Terry
October 13th, 2010
11:12 am
Fredi is a great hire, but the TP bashing is getting old. I personally witnessed Ankiel have two horrible at bats against Lincecum in an earlier season game. Terry P. pulled him aside & the next time up, Ankiel put a double down the right field line, driving in 2 & putting the Braves in the lead for good. It’s not Tery’s fault if the players don’t listen or execute. Francouer wouldn’t listen & he’ gone. Andruw Jones wouldn’t listen & he’s gone. You get my point?
The Red
October 13th, 2010
11:14 am
I hope he brings Jim Presley with him as hitting coach.
Jim was a brave in 1990, so that would at least make him eligible to be a Braves coach.
G
October 13th, 2010
11:15 am
Jeff interested to know how you would grade Frank Wren?
NORRIS
October 13th, 2010
11:21 am
From what I read he wants to bring some guys in. I hope he replaces TP.
But it is going to be interesting who is on our team next year. Right now we have a lot of holes to fill
We have no left fielder, no center fielder, no third baseman.
Chipper is an unknown and if he plays he cant everyday. He showed this past year that he cant produce the numbers anymore.
The playoffs proved that we have no hitters. We got to go get someone.
free agents: glauss, hinske, infante, jurgens, diaz, melky, ankiel, and more that i cant remember.
The Real Brave
October 13th, 2010
11:24 am
This is like good-cop/bad-cop with you and Bradley.
Boston Braves
October 13th, 2010
11:26 am
I feel bad for Chino. Jeff, do you think he becomes Director of International/Carribbean Scouting?
Don
October 13th, 2010
11:26 am
Regardless of who the new manager is, the Braves are probably not going to be competitive for next season or perhaps for years to come because Bobby Cox is leaving them with two of their star young strting pitchers injured, what should have been a Star Shortstop and big bat in the middle of the lineup gone, and (for that matter) only 3 healthy established regular major league quality position players.
Does Gonzalez' hiring mean Pendleton is out of job? | Jeff Schultz
October 13th, 2010
11:28 am
[...] after word leaked that the Braves were going to hire Fredi Gonzalez as their new manager to replace Bobby Cox, speculation began on his coaching staff, most notably [...]
Honky Talkin'
October 13th, 2010
11:32 am
To: Joe Tess Fish House. You need to start over with 1st grade. You are a complete moron.
Brave New World
October 13th, 2010
11:34 am
Fredi is the perfect choice!
Brave New World
October 13th, 2010
11:38 am
Terry October 13th, 2010 11:12 am
Fredi is a great hire, but the TP bashing is getting old.
Terry: I couldn’t agree with you more. If everyone wants to find fault with TP, then they should also “blame” him for Infante and Prado becoming .300 hitters.
Britt
October 13th, 2010
11:42 am
Still reeling from Game 4, but must admit I’m not real happy with choice. I see this as a continuation of the current regime, which frankly, has not delivered. I was really hoping for someone outside the ‘family’ so we can start a new philosphy/style. All that being said, if Freddi is indeed the man, than i’m behind him 100%. Let’s go Braves!!!!!
pb
October 13th, 2010
11:44 am
To the guy who asked about Terence Moore- don’t think he works for AJC any more. But I could be wrong. Guy named Joe Tess Fish House not dumb or crazy- he is just trying to stir it up. And he has right to be on here as much as anyone else, even if you disagree with him.
Coach13
October 13th, 2010
11:45 am
I think this is great. They get to things basically the same way but just enough different. I always thought Cox needed to be slightly less loyal or at least make the appropriate changes when people weren’t doing their part (this is in no way directed at Conrad)
DawgDad
October 13th, 2010
11:46 am
Don: I agree with you in general, but this team COULD be competitive next year. They might be hamstrung with big contracts for non-producing players, but if they manage to land a right handed bat that can drive in 100+ runs and shore up defensively in center field and second base they could make a lot of noise. The pitching should still be good enough to keep them at or above .500 with little or no offense.
JoePrizzy
October 13th, 2010
11:48 am
Lets not forget the last guy to get fired from the Marlins and go back to his original team to manage; Joe Girardi. He had a losing, or as Joe Tess would say “loosing”, record as well in his only year… I’d say that hire worked out well for the Yankees
NORRIS
October 13th, 2010
11:53 am
I think with the talent the yankees have a blind man with half a brain could have a winning season.
JoePrizzy
October 13th, 2010
11:54 am
I agree but it does take some skill to maintain chemistry in a clubhouse full of stars
NORRIS
October 13th, 2010
11:55 am
next year:
1st base: freddie freeman: rookie unknown
2nd base: prado
3rd base: unknown
short stop: gonazlez but not certain
catcher: Mccann
LF: unknown.
CF: unknown
RF: Heyward
Looks to me like we have a lotttttt to do in order to put together something competitive.
NORRIS
October 13th, 2010
11:55 am
i agree Joe. that is true.
cfountain72
October 13th, 2010
12:10 pm
As a lifelong Dolphin and Braves fan, I see a lot of parallels between Bobby leaving and Don Shula. Shula also had his team competitive every year and made it to the playoffs more often then not (16 out of 25 years.) In fact, Miami had the best regular season winning percentage of any franchise during Shula’s reign. He was considered tough but fair to his players…and maybe a little too loyal sometimes. He was also criticized later in his career for not being able to win the big game (they won 2 of 5 Super Bowl appearances, and none since 1973.) Sounds more than a little like footballs’ version of Bobby Cox.
Since the end of Shula’s 25 year period as head coach, the Dolphins have had six coaches in only 15 years. During that period, they’ve won their Division only twice. I only hope the Braves succession plan works out better than the Dolphins’ has.
Doug
October 13th, 2010
12:46 pm
Most managers are only as good as the talent they manage, look up Casey Stengel, genius with the Yankees and a idiot with the early 1962 Mets.
Gonzalez at least knows the players, organization and did well manageing the Marlins against Atlanta. I’m sure he knows what is lacking with this team.
TP ?? thank him for his service as a player & coach, wish him well and help him move on!! I know alot of lost players hurt the offense ( Chipper,Prado & Lee) but for the most part other than Mcann and David Ross nobody hit for average with any power.
The pitching appears fairly solid for a few seasons to come but unless the dead wood on offense is let go and a few decent hitters are aquired not alot will change anytime soon.
TERRY P.
October 13th, 2010
12:49 pm
people please it is losing not loosing that is incredibly dumb
dawgrific
October 13th, 2010
1:01 pm
Let’s hope he can help the Braves get Uggla (a free-agent, right?), or some pop and speed from somewhere else.
jayvee
October 13th, 2010
1:09 pm
Gonzales will be good, I think. His Florida teams were overachievers, well-coached and gave the Braves fits. I wonder if he might not bring Dan Uggla along with him. I think the Braves’ most pressing need at this point is to get a couple of stud outfielders. Not that I’m against giving McClouth and Ankiel a shot, but we’d have to see pretty stark improvements at the plate from them both to warrant their continued presence. Carl Crawford is No. 1 on my list. I hope the Braves pursue him aggressively. If only they could unload Kawakami’s contract…..they’d have some coin to bring in some productive bats.
Also, if Chipper were to retire, that would free up a huge chunk of change. Not that I really want him to — just doing the math.
Welcome Fredi. Go Braves!
LostCause
October 13th, 2010
1:10 pm
Last 3 seasons Gonzalez managed a 205-188. I throw out the first season becasue he had Girardi left overs. Looks pretty good compared to Braves last 3 years. Great hire! Now let’s tweak the team a little bit. Really like the pitching staff that will remain. I also like most of the hitters somewhere on the team. Role players Conrad, Kinske, Infante, & Ross … what a bench!
Joe Boo
October 13th, 2010
1:18 pm
I just hope Fredi doesn’t stick with lefty-righty match-ups and doesn’t stick with poorly performing veterans just because – well – they’re veterans – like Bobby did. A little gut feeling and risk taking on occasion will be a nice change.
rufino linares
October 13th, 2010
1:28 pm
Let me guess.He’s another players manager who will also make bonehead matchup decisions in which in the playoffs are useless remedies to other bad decisions. Won’t matter he doesn’t have what it takes or any hall of famers to get him far into the playoffs.Only reason why Braves made it to the World Series is because Glavine,Maddux and Smoltz. Mazzone proved he had nothing to do with their success but if the Braves were to somehow get Mike Maddux as a pitching coach that would help.
rufino linares
October 13th, 2010
1:31 pm
Gut feeling won’t work either but checking out a scouting report every once in a while would do wonders. How do you think Heyward come out of his slump? Just coincidence that Booby put him where he is most productive .(in the sixth hole)
rufino linares future interim manager of the Atlanta Braves
October 13th, 2010
1:48 pm
Hopefully this manager won’t put free swingers in the 7th and 8th hole anymore unless they are just not an offensive threat. Hope Braves don’t get any more duds who can’t hit or field . Bring back LaRoche and K.Johnson just don’t waste them down in the order. Those two would be much more valuable than KK and the aging Chipper on the payroll. Braves need a starter that is consistently good. Hudson,Lowe and Hanson are not aces. Braves either need to adopt the LaRussa strategy of Starter and 2 or 3 one innning relievers or get pitchers who can last more than 7 innings. Just don’t be inconsistent with by committee crap.
Sam Fossela
October 13th, 2010
1:53 pm
Interesting that you have so many people who approve this move but aren’t willing to go out on a limb and use their normal handles. Surely all the baseball regulars haven’t missed this story? We can tell y’all are here because of all the Terry Pendelton haterz.
rufino linares future interim manager of the Atlanta Braves
October 13th, 2010
2:08 pm
No one listens to T.P. and his batting tee. McLouth proved that. Get the AAA hitting coach before you retain T.P.
noseknows
October 13th, 2010
2:32 pm
When I was watching a 30-min. segment on one of the sports’ stations early in the season, they ran a special on the Marlins coaches (prior to Freddi’s firing) and these coaches were “tough” – something the Braves need.
James
October 13th, 2010
2:47 pm
Welcome Home Fredi
Skeeterleg
October 13th, 2010
2:53 pm
seriously McMurphy? Ozzie Guillen? He has got to be the biggest clown in baseball. Why do fans misinterpret ranting and raving as how much you care or how much baseball knowledge you possess? Chipper Jones doesn’t have a history of throwing hissy fits, but I doubt he wanted to win any less than Paul O’Neill or any other tantrum throwing baby that has graced a MLB field.
Chipper
October 13th, 2010
3:13 pm
Terry Pendleton new 1st coach and in field instructor….Glenn Hubbard and Chino is gone
Mike
October 13th, 2010
3:16 pm
Guys, get a life! Joe Fishy is playing you for all you’re worth. NOBODY could be that thick and still be able to navigate a keyboard!
Freddie was the right choice for the Bravos.
Chipper
October 13th, 2010
3:20 pm
TP first base coach and infield instructor…TP get’s promoted by Frank Wren
marke
October 13th, 2010
3:29 pm
It just goes to show that the Braves have class.
PeteofMarietta
October 13th, 2010
3:38 pm
Fredi G. is a superb hire. For 40 years I have been following the braves, and in that time, this is the best move a brave’s general manager has ever made. He is bi-lingual, and with his excellent communication with hispanic players, he will make even the current team players, play better. I hope Frank Wren offers Chipper Jones the Hitting Coache’s Job, and make Terry P. Third Base Coach. With 14 millions we save per year for the next two years, we can get 2 great hiiters for the team, to play at First Base and the Left Field.
a
October 13th, 2010
5:01 pm
Good hire. And Norris: I don’t think CF will be an unknown when Spring Training is over. I still honestly believe that Nate McLouth has the potential of returning to All-Star form. Let’s hope so. Cause what a huge lift that would be!
nelson
October 13th, 2010
6:28 pm
nice move wren !! For all these supposedly fans of the braves but everything criticize , diganme who was best for MGR ? VALENTINE ? TORRE ? MACHA ? PENDLETON ? PEREZ ? Please , freddi is the best acquisition that the braves were able to make , , support to this team, which is the pass criticizing everything that this organization makes . IF THEY DON’T LIKE GET OUT !! WE DO NOT NEED OF FANS FOR EVERYTHING IS A CRITICIZES ..
nelson
October 13th, 2010
6:28 pm
CHIPPER JONES HITTING COACH ? GIVE ME A BREAK , JAJA
nelson
October 13th, 2010
6:30 pm
HEY FREDDI SIGN DON BAYLOR AS THE NEW COACH BATTING AND MATTER RESOLVED
Daily Twink – 10/13/2010 | Section 247 Sports Blog
October 14th, 2010
12:02 am
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October 14th, 2010
5:01 am
[...] and rehab from a major knee surgery — he seems more determined than ever to come back and is a big fan of new manager Fredi Gonzalez — means his $13 million salary will remain on the books. Closer Billy Wagner ($7 million) [...]
Steven Lemon
October 14th, 2010
7:47 am
OK, TheAntiME. As one of those who have constantly bashed bBobby, I can name you the moves he made or didn’t make that COST US AT LEAST TWO RINGS during the World Series alone. Tell about all those insignificant ones that DID work and got us ANYTHING. As for his 2500 victories, look at the record. He only won a lot of games when he had the likes of Smoltz, Glavine, Maddox, Justice, Pendleton, Lemke, Nixon, Avery, Wohlers, Crime Dog ALL TOGETHER. I maintain that with lineups like that even I could win 2000 games, and blind luck could account for another 200. So I’ll give Bobby credit for managing to 250 wins. The rest were the result of great players and blind luck.
Now Schultz, you had me right up until you said Fredi will be just like Bobby Cox! I hope you mean in the clubhouse, not on the field. I will be suspicious until that first squeeze bunt, hit and run or ninth inning without seeing three pitchers pitch to three consecutive batters.
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October 14th, 2010
9:47 am
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10:15 am
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