Bust poll: Bobo (Georgia offense) vs. Groh (Tech defense)

Mike Bobo.

Mike Bobo (Georgia offense).

Al Groh (Georgia Tech defense).

Al Groh (Georgia Tech defense).

In the interest of full disclosure, here goes: When Georgia and Georgia Tech both hired new defensive coordinators in January, I had more confidence in Paul Johnson’s decision to bring in Al Groh than I did Mark Richt’s decision to hire Todd Grantham.

The reason was simple: While Groh was a disappointment as a head coach at Virginia, he was a proven commodity as a defensive coach in the NFL and college, working with the likes of Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick. I also believed that taking a college coordinator’s job at 66 indicated that he must be truly motivated to win again. Conversely, while Grantham came highly recommended, most recently as the linebackers coach of the Dallas Cowboys, he had been a coordinator only once before: with the Cleveland Browns, where he had mixed results (2005-07). Grantham was closer to an unknown commodity.

Who has done worse job: Al Groh (Tech defense) or Mike Bobo (Georgia offense)?

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Now, while Grantham hasn’t beeen stellar in Athens, Tech’s defense has been a disaster. That has to be a reflection on Groh. I’m not saying the guy forgot how to coach defense, but neither do I buy into the notion that the Jackets are completely devoid of any talent.

In fact, I will now pose a question that before this season would’ve seemed unfathomable: Who has been worse — Groh as Tech’s defensive coordinator or Mike Bobo as Georgia’s offensive coordinator. (Vote in our poll. This should be interesting.)

My view: Groh is the bigger bust because he is in complete control of the defense at Tech. Bobo works for an offensive coach (Mark Richt) and designs the game plan with his boss in mind.

The Jackets were smoked by North Carolina State, 45-28. They have allowed 12 offensive touchdowns in the last three games.They have an ACC low two interceptions, rank eighth in the conference in total defense (367.8),  ninth against the pass (212.5) and 10th in scoring (26.8).

They didn’t have to be great defensively this season — they just had to be better than in the last two years under Dave Wommack. That hasn’t happened.

Johnson is trying to temper the criticism of Groh. Quoting from Tuesday’s news conference: “As I said when [Wommack was fired], I don’t want to put all that on Dave Wommack. Guys have to make plays, too. You can’t change coaches every time you don’t tackle somebody.

“We’ve got guys who have played for two or three years here that are doing things there’s no explanation for.”

Johnson is equally upset about the Jackets’ play on both sides of the ball. He counted 85 missed assignments against N.C. State — 43 on one side of the ball and 42 on the other (he didn’t remember the breakdown). He believes the team is playing with a lack of urgency, saying, “We need to go to Winston-Salem and play like our hair’s on fire.”

As for this excuse by some that Tech just doesn’t have enough talent, he said: “It’s like anything. The more talented you are, the more mistakes you can make. Do we have guys as talented as Derrick Morgan? No. But that doesn’t mean we can’t play better defense if everybody didn’t do what they’re supposed to.”

That’s mental, not physical. That’s where coaching comes in.

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284 comments Add your comment

Mark (another one)

September 28th, 2010
12:40 pm

Tech’s defense is sad.

BOBO

September 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

IT’s fourth and one??? Hail mary time!!

Tampa Wreck

September 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

I agree that Tech’s defense is sad, but I don’t think you can pin that on Groh (yet). They were sad last year with Burnett and Morgan there. Need to give Groh some time to teach the defense and recruit some players that can execute it.

In contrast, Bobo has been a UGA long enough to be held accountable.

GoDawgs

September 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

Fire the whole offensive side of the ball. That includes richt. I feel like richt is turning UGA into FSU. I think Mcgarity is going to fire richt and the offensive side of the ball this summer. We need to hire KIrby smart. D wins Titles.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

jeff, i think you are making assumptions too fast on coach al groh,yes techs defense has played horrible this years but dont you think its to fast to make a verduct on coach al groh???? we still dont have the players for the 3-4 defense yet??? i have complete faith in coach pj he will get things turned around this year at worse gt will be 8-4

Dannyboy

September 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

Mike Bobo has been at UGA for years. Al Groh has been at GT for spring practice and 4 games.

It’s like comparing Coach K at Duke after his first season to Dean Smith (and no, I’m not saying Groh is Coach K and Bobo is Smith). This poll might be better suited for the end of the year. GT is still in position to make it to the ACC championship and UGA is still in position to make it to…the Independence Bowl?

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
12:55 pm

as for ga mike bobo needs to be fired on coach richt

GoDawgs

September 28th, 2010
12:55 pm

I think both D coaches need three years to get the players they need. So, That means BOBO is the issue.

Tucker T

September 28th, 2010
12:55 pm

Both are busts. They deserve each other.

DawginLex

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

bobo in a landslide.

Groh inherited no talent suited for the 3-4 scheme just like Grantham. Grantham has actually done better.

No excuse for Bobo.
10 starters back
Veteran offensive line
running backs returned from last year
Good receivers
tight ends galore

No excuse for averaging 24 points per game including a 55 point deluge vs LALA.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

one thing i firmly believe in is coaches coach and players play gt and ga both the players are making too many mistakes

girl know better than you

September 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

too sad to comment

hmmmm.........

September 28th, 2010
12:57 pm

Bobo needs to go for sure, groh is installing a new d and doesn’t have the right players

Supes

September 28th, 2010
12:58 pm

Both should be on the same team to form what would be a unholy alliance of LOSERS!

Bug Zapper

September 28th, 2010
12:58 pm

I think Bobo’s the bigger bust……Groh does’nt have the pieces in place yet and is probably doing the best he can considering the new scheme……Same as Grantham……They need time to right the ship and get their own players in place…..Bobo on the other hand has the weapons in place….Outside AJ being gone there was supposed to be a lot of tallent there…..If I see one more predictable delay handoff up the middle fo undersized backs I may hurt my TV……Every play is predictable…..Where are our tallented tight ends?…..How bout some roll out passing which Murray is more suited for….I say CMR will give Bobo the benefit of having AJ back for a game or two before taking over the play calling duties….

Jack

September 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

the players at GT either do not respect these coaches enough or fear them enough, either way, it ain’t working. Simplify things and find someone hungry that wants to get the job done. Never have been crazy about hiring anyone from a losing school and never will. They bring their losing curses to your school.(groh/mcollum) I am so not kidding

GT man

September 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

Groh is too old to coach and relate to these young men, also the 3-4 hasn’t stopped anyone yet. And who’s idiot idea was it to dress in ” all-white” Saturday?. NCST came out of the tunnel dressed in white, saw the “all-white” and felt like they were the home team !!!!!, no wonder they played so good, against Miami are we to dress out in green?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

September 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

both have been horrible. but being a UGA fan, Bobo’s playcalling has become vanilla and everyone in the SEC knows. either move him to QB coach or get rid of him. so much talent wasted right now on the offense.

Ralph

September 28th, 2010
1:00 pm

We at least know that Techs offense is a Hell of a lot better than thUGA’s offense or defense. Tech rolls over thUGA in November by two touchdowns.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:00 pm

coaches coach the players up but in the end the players have to make the plays and for tech and ga neither has done well so far this year

Wally Butts' Designated Stumbler

September 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

So, Jeff, is Ben Jones going to be benched for a game or two after this stunt?…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reVnna38sPI

Will CMR do what’s right and sit his cowardly butt or will the SEC have to step in and do it?

btgt69

September 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

On game day, we, GT, are too mentally tired from calculus, thermodynamics, quantum mechanics etc. exams. uga is too hungover on game day.

Dawg on the hot seat

September 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

jellybeandawg

September 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

I thought Grantham was the Dallas DL coach, not linebackers?

5150 P.O.A.D

September 28th, 2010
1:02 pm

I would take Tech’s Offense against Tech or UGAs defense And Tech’s Offense will win. If you take UGAs Offense againt either Tech or UGAs defense the Defenses win. Tech can score, but UGAs offense can’t score anything except field goals.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

September 28th, 2010
1:02 pm

Groh should get the same benefit that Grantham is getting. Lost several players to the NFL and it is a scheme change also. Groh should get a pass since he does have a history of doingthings well at the highest of levels.

Bobo is the vote, as this team lacks no identity offensively!

Jack

September 28th, 2010
1:02 pm

GTman, the student body arranged white out day weeks ago. But GT has to ask NC ST for permission to wear white. Naturdally they said no because they are classless people like Wake was last season. What CPJ should have done is ask to wear Gold jerseys, then the morons at NC ST would have said no and we could be wearing white. Honestly, this is the dumbest rule in college football. When it is your home game, the home team should be able to wear whatever jersey they want and tell the other team to shove it.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:03 pm

jellybeandawg

September 28th, 2010
1:03 pm

Yea Grantham was the DL coach at Dallas for sure, not LB.

Bull

September 28th, 2010
1:03 pm

Let’s do a poll on worst UGA sports writers

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:05 pm

jack i agree with you completly

McDawg

September 28th, 2010
1:05 pm

for the Bobo/UGA “scheme” to be effective it must be executed effectively-not alot of room for errors-i’m not sure we have the personel

my complaint w/ the UGA coaches is that they are stuck on their system, scheme, philosophy whatever you want to call and are not willing to adjust to the realities-maybe our blocking schemes are too complicated for this crew??? what i do know is that talent level is not what it was

Jack

September 28th, 2010
1:05 pm

And I honestly believe NC St grabbed the “favor” that GT has wearing white and acted as if they were the home team.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:05 pm

better questions is who do we think will have a netter record at the end of the yea gt or ga????

Dawglasville

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

Since neither will see the Papa John’s Bowl this year I’ve been trying to get the Tech vs Georgia game sponsored by Little Caesars. I haven’t heard back from them. Does anyone know someone at Digiorno?

cattledawg

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

The cure for al groh will be when he plays mike bobo.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

i think gt will be at worse 8-4 best 9-3 and ga at worse5-6 at best 7-5

What happens when they play

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

What will happen when they play each other? This will be interesting with 2 inept teams clash (probably a bad choice of words, more like fall into each other). If Georgia can’t score against Tech, UGA should quit playing football and concentrate on gymnastics.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

GTJeff

September 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

I can see why UGA fans don’t like us. You dummies have no clue. Al Groh has EVERYTHING to do with why the defense sux. I remember them getting him earlier this year thinking “This is a bad idea” Sad to say I was right. Every game I have watched this year, the defense looks ABSOLUTELY clueless. Who does that come down to? The coach. Yet both Groh & CPJ want to blame it on the players. As bad as Wommack’s defenses were last year & the year before, they weren’t THAT bad & ole Shultzy has a valid point. Groh was brought in to at least marginally improve the defense immediately. That hasn’t happened. As any UVA fan that follows football how frustrated they were with their D when he was there.

Born2Buzz

September 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

Enough of this “Groh doesn’t have the right players for his system” crap. The players are who they are. The coach has to make the necessary adjustments to have them do what they can do and perform. Funny how when we had Chan and Tenuta our D was always good enough but the O was horrible. Now our O is good enough but the D is horrible. The players haven’t changed that much.
Coach PJ will continue to support Groh for now as he doesn’t want to admit he made a mistake, plus he is the head coach and responsible for the whole team. But if there are not improvements don’t think he is waiting around to see if Groh can turn it around in a few years “once he has the right players”.

Oh, and I love Bobo. He should be the head coach at UGA.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

better questions is who do we think will have a better record at the end of the year gt or ga????

SOUTH GA DAWG FAN

September 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

I have to give my vote to Bobo because of his lack of production over the last two years not just this year.

Jeff I am coming for you in sack shultz I am only two behind now!

Systemic

September 28th, 2010
1:09 pm

You’ve got to be kidding, right? Groh has been DC for 1/3 of a season. Even if he were a “bust” there’s no way you can draw that conclusion at this point. I think Tech’s defense will improve under Groh, but it’s not fast food. Give the man some time!

You sportswriters, sigh. Well I guess y’all gotta eat, too.

GTJeff

September 28th, 2010
1:09 pm

Exactly! Tenuta’s Ds were 100 times better than what we’ve had in the past 3 years. Sad he left after CPJ. I was hoping he was going to stay.

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

coaches coach and players play

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:11 pm

joeygt

September 28th, 2010
1:12 pm

1 better questions is who do we think will have a better record at the end of the year gt or ga????

GT12

September 28th, 2010
1:13 pm

Our D is about as bad last year, but we don’t have Morgan or Burnette anymore. The players look like they’re in the right positions this year, but they’re not executing. Give it some time.

Vixzilla

September 28th, 2010
1:13 pm

Bobo gets this on eby a long shot. To defend Groh, NCState is Legit. They are like a GT offense that can pass the ball as well.

Georgia has a top 15 offense playing like a Fresno State Bulldog offense. ( even without AJ )

Trying the same thing over and over and expecting differet results is insanity. I’m here to tell you, Bobo is a Madman. Bobo is a Dodo.