Braves, Wren send right message with deadline trades

Rick Ankiel, a converted pitcher, hit 25 homers in 2008 and will fill the Braves' void in center field.

Rick Ankiel, a converted pitcher, hit 25 homers in 2008 and will fill the Braves' void in center field.

Sports fans scream for a championship every season. But really all most expect is for somebody in the executive suite — whether it’s the person who’s making trades or clutching the checkbook — to care as much as they do.

As a general rule, “We’re building for next season,” just doesn’t play well with the guy in the $6 seat.

Given that, the Braves should be commended today. They’re being as passionate and proactive off the field as they have been on it. They’re trying to win now, not sitting back and praying for unicorns.

Maybe Philadelphia’s acquisition of Roy Oswalt spooked them a little. Maybe they see something special in this team. Maybe they’re intent on trying to send Bobby Cox out with a championship.

Kyle Farnsworth excelled as a closer for the Braves in 2005.

Kyle Farnsworth excelled as a closer for the Braves in 2005.

Does it matter?

Drink this up Atlanta: You have a team going for a championship.

Faced with a tight trade market and a thin budget, general manager Frank Wren managed to improve the team anyway. This is the way things are supposed to work with playoff contenders at trade deadlines.

Trade deadlines highlight the serious players and expose the pretenders.

The Braves made a five-player trade with Kansas City. Outfielder Rick Ankiel and Kyle Farnsworth come this way. Gregor Blanco, Jesse Chavez and prospect Tim Collins go that way. If you break this deal down by player, Chavez’s exit will result in the loudest single cheer. At some point, the question became not whether he would make it as a Brave, but whether he would make it to the parking lot.

He had a 5.89 ERA. He had given up six home runs, 40 hits and 12 walks in 36 2/3 innings. Torch-carrying villagers were starting to wait for him outside the stadium.

But Ankiel and Farnsworth provide immediate help. Ankiel can fill the Braves’ black hole in center field. He brings some power (having his 25 homers in 2008), even if he’s currently hitting only .261 with four homers. Farnsworth, who was briefly a lights-out closer for the Braves in 2005, has been strong out of the bullpen this season (3-0, 2.42).

Neither is a centerpiece. Neither has to be.

They fit what the Braves need and what this team has become. The roster lacks star power, but makes up for it in depth, aggressiveness and chemistry. They just needed a boost lately, with Philadelphia rising, the lineup settling and Troy Glaus looking more and more like a one-month wonder.

Credit Wren. If this and other recent moves lead to the Braves’ first postseason berth since 2005, he may have just sewed up Executive of the Year honors.

Approaching the trade deadline, Wren had to feel like he was duct-taped to a lamp post. Dead money was killing the budget. Fact is, for all of Wren’s success in rebuilding the roster over the past three years, he still was paying the price for three significant miscalculations: Derek Lowe (four years, $60 million), Kenshin Kawakami (three years, $23 million) and Nate McLouth (three years, $15.75 million). The three read like a bad 401k portfolio.

Lowe was signed to be an ace. He quickly become a fourth starter making $15 million a year. Kawakami was signed to be a second or third starter. By midway through this season he couldn’t even hang on to the No. 5 job and was jettisoned to the bullpen.

Nobody has seen him since. He’s like D.B. Cooper.

McLouth, acquired from Pittsburgh, was expected to be the perfect bridge to Jordan Schafer. That’s an “oops” to the second power.

Expensive mistakes hamstring general managers. Lowe, Kawakami and McLouth represent $27 million of an $85 million payroll (31.7 percent) this season. Factor in Chipper Jones’ $14 million contract, and that’s $41 million for four players (48.2 percent).

Wren suggested in recent days that he likely wouldn’t do anything. The market was too tight. The budget seemed blown. He also kind of liked his team.

“We’re talking to teams,” Wren said a few days ago, “but we’re not putting a full-court press on.”

Either he was being less than truthful then or something changed. Doesn’t matter. He chose not to sit back. Serious teams don’t do that. The message about this season seems clear.

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Whitney Houston

July 31st, 2010
6:23 pm

first, bobby?

Whitney Houston

July 31st, 2010
6:24 pm

Hell to the yeah, Bobby!!

Whitney Houston

July 31st, 2010
6:25 pm

Like a virgin….first for the very first time…

Whitney Houston

July 31st, 2010
6:25 pm

Guess I should read the article now, huh?

double g

July 31st, 2010
6:28 pm

Basically it’s a Blanco for Ankiel, and Chavez and minor leaguer for Farnsworth. Salaries go out after this year, pending options. It’s not a case of one team getting the better of the other, but instead KC getting the future, ATL getting the present.

double g

July 31st, 2010
6:29 pm

And who’s Bobby?

nickgranite

July 31st, 2010
6:29 pm

“Lowe was signed to be an ace.”

I can’t think of one brave fan that I have talked to that thought Lowe was an “ace” when he was signed.

matt r

July 31st, 2010
6:30 pm

Fantastic, maybe we can lead the division in message-sending instead of wins.

The Real Brave

July 31st, 2010
6:32 pm

But can we hit!

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:32 pm

Great message indeed! Let’s pickup a steroid user to win a few more games.

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:34 pm

The guy above is a poser and not the real Jon.

"Chef" Tim Dix

July 31st, 2010
6:34 pm

How many time times have we mined our Triple A, K.C. affiliate.

That said, how many were keepers?

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:35 pm

I wasn’t aware that there was only Jon on this planet.

tiger7_88

July 31st, 2010
6:37 pm

Right, nickgranite… if memory serves, the Braves tried and lost on a couple of other free agents to sign an “ace”. When they weren’t able to make it happen, they signed Lowe not as an “ace” but as an adequate “innings eater”.

CSpin

July 31st, 2010
6:39 pm

Couldn’t even finish this. Ankiel is not the player he was in 2008. C’mon.

BMC

July 31st, 2010
6:39 pm

I would rather have Blanco than Ankiel.Farnsworth is a good pick-up and Chavez always drove me crazy,not so mad to see him go,even if he is young and could develope,No place for on the job training these last two months of the season,unless you are going to bring Freddie F. up to pinch hit and rest Glause.

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:39 pm

It sounds like I’m talking to myself. Or that you’re talking to yourself.

Tom

July 31st, 2010
6:39 pm

looking at farnsworth’s career numbersm he is fine as long there is no pressure on him to perform. his best years were with teams with no playoff expectation. Rick Ankiel i have visions of 6 wild pitches or so in an inning…….

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:40 pm

@CSpin: He doesn’t have to be the person he was in 2008. He just has to be better than Melky/Nate/Gregor.

Chippers Daddy

July 31st, 2010
6:43 pm

don’t like this deal at all, not because of what we gave up, which really wasnt much, but its what we got, which isnt much either. lol. a low career avg. hitter and Kyle who is the only thing i like in this deal.

level

July 31st, 2010
6:45 pm

DB Cooper? Showing your age, there, ain’t you, Jeff? Why not, “He’s like Jimmy Hoffa?” By the way, I think it is a trade that could really help the Braves. Neither Mickey Mantle nor Rollie Fingers were available, and that’s who most fans want their GM to trade for this time every year.

Jon

July 31st, 2010
6:47 pm

Hey, sorry I’m late, did I miss the meeting of the Jon’s club?

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
6:50 pm

Like the Farnsworth part, not the Ankiel part. Really? I’d rather have Blanco. They shoulda given Schafer up, he’s washed up, his career is ruined. The good news is maybe we get Blanco up soon, by recalling him from AAA KC.

Joe Mama and Angie Daddy

July 31st, 2010
6:54 pm

Oh Yeah! We’ve got the Phillies trembling in their cleats now! Why didn’t you just keep Blanco? What a joke this trade was.

Bob in SF

July 31st, 2010
6:54 pm

Seriously? The Braves trade a tomato can pitcher, a replacement level CF and a fringe prospect for a guy who crumbles under pressure and another dude who can’t stay healthy, isn’t a very good center fielder, doesn’t get on base much but occasionally hits a HR and we’re hailing it as a sign from the heavens the Braves are serious about winning?
Fail.

sid's bream

July 31st, 2010
6:54 pm

Sure we have one of the best bullpens in the league and just got better with Farnsworth, but we still have no offense ( I present today’s game as exhibit A). What good is a great bullpen if Bobby doesn’t know how to use it, i.e. leaving starters in too long when they obviously don’t have it (once again I point to exhibit A), or when we don’t have a lead to protect because our offense doesn’t score?
Unless Ankiel just rakes here and Glaus pulls a Lazarus and resurrects his hitting, I see this lead slipping away by the end of the week.

Alan

July 31st, 2010
6:55 pm

Yippe yay. How about the bad yunel trade. Another out by Gonzalez. What a shocker. This trade means nothing and doesn’t help at all.

moboman

July 31st, 2010
6:55 pm

Not impressed. No faith in Farnsworth, and Ankiel doesnt offer much more than Melky. Just a trade for trade’s sake. And we gave up a prospect.

Braves91fan

July 31st, 2010
6:58 pm

Farnsworth good. Great pick up. Ankiel lets hop for the best. Has to be better that Nate or Melky.

ryan

July 31st, 2010
6:58 pm

With Prado out they had to make this move you hate to give some prospects but they did get one back in Ramires from the Tigers and the Phillies are coming back.

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sid's bream

July 31st, 2010
7:03 pm

There’s a definite message being sent, but I don’t think it’s about a dedication to winning. So far, Gonzalez has not been an upgrade at shortstop, and I can’t imagine Ankiel being an upgrade over Blanco. I feel good about Farnsworth, and really good about getting rid of Chavez (that guy made me nervous every time he toed the rubber), but we just don’t have the offense to stay in first or even make it to the postseason.

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:04 pm

Who made this trade? Bobby? I mean holy s**t, it’s awful. They better get someone thru waiver wire or bring up Freeman and rest Glaus for the next 2 months. Glaus’s knees ache, so he has no power cuz he’s hitting with his arms.

Mitch

July 31st, 2010
7:04 pm

Dang JH at least swing.

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July 31st, 2010
7:05 pm

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FlaReptile

July 31st, 2010
7:06 pm

Are you really serious??? This trade was a waste of print space. This team cant hit and it showed again today. Cox would have a better chance of driving in runners. We should have kept Blanco at least he brought speed. How many times can one organization follow the same blue print with only 1 ring to show for it.

sanantoniobravesfan

July 31st, 2010
7:07 pm

sid’s bream:

with the phillies playing the nats tonight, you can bet we’ll be back to 2.5 games by the end of the day

Numbers

July 31st, 2010
7:07 pm

Yunel since trade

Last 10 Games (Season Game Log) Season to Date
Date Opponent Score AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Jul 30 CLE W 8-1 5 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .258 .342 .322 .663
Jul 28 BAL W 5-0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .256 .341 .320 .661
Jul 27 BAL W 8-2 5 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .259 .345 .325 .670
Jul 26 BAL W 9-5 5 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 .253 .341 .320 .661
Jul 25 @ DET L 5-6 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 .254 .343 .319 .662
Jul 25 @ DET W 5-3 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255 .345 .321 .666
Jul 24 @ DET W 3-2 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252 .344 .318 .662
Jul 22 @ DET L 2-5 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252 .345 .319 .664
Jul 19 @ KAN L 4-5 4 1 2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 .252 .346 .317 .662
Jul 18 @ BAL W 10-1 4 2 3 0 0 1 5 0 0 0 0 .248 .342 .303 .645
Total 314 37 81 14 0 2 27 38 36 5 2 .258 .342 .322 .663

Alex since trade
Last 10 Games (Season Game Log) Season to Date
Date Opponent Score AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Jul 30 @ CIN W 6-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261 .302 .485 .788
Jul 28 @ WAS W 3-1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 .261 .302 .485 .788
Jul 27 @ WAS L 0-3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264 .306 .491 .796
Jul 25 @ FLA L 4-5 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266 .308 .495 .802
Jul 24 @ FLA W 10-5 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .269 .309 .500 .809
Jul 23 @ FLA L 6-7 5 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .269 .308 .500 .808
Jul 22 SDG W 8-0 5 1 4 1 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 .268 .307 .499 .805
Jul 21 SDG L 4-6 5 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .260 .300 .491 .792
Jul 20 SDG W 4-1 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .258 .299 .487 .786
Jul 18 MIL W 11-6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .258 .299 .490 .789

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:08 pm

If anything i like the prospect we got from detroit. maybe he’ll be ready next year. still hate to see blanco gone though. :(

country boy

July 31st, 2010
7:09 pm

hello Jeffy Boy. Sadly I’m beginning to agree with your accessment of Glaus.

G

July 31st, 2010
7:12 pm

Seriously? We are supposed to applaud this trade based on a guys stats from 2008!! We won’t ever get to Farnsworth if we don’t start scoring some runs. Lets take a look at Wren’s record:

1. McClouth – in the minors
2. Adding Schafer to the lineup last season – in AA
3. Lowe – over paid for a 4th starter
4. Cabrera – really a fifth or sixth outfielder
5. Glaus – what I figured, the guy would start to fade in the second 1/2… He is too old and banged up
6. Kawakami – he is MIA
7. Gonzalez – not lived up to his billing

This trade just allows a mediocre GM to say; “well we tried to make our team better. We have just had some guys hurt and had some tough breaks.”

DaveinNEPA

July 31st, 2010
7:12 pm

Blanco wasn’t going to help us much so long as Bobby batted him 8th in the order. His speed and OBP pretty much got negated by that.

As for Chavez………not sorry to see him go.

Whatever we get from Ankiel has to be better than we’ve gotten from Melky/McCouth. Melky has a respectable average but we haven’t gotten much bang for the buck from him. Now he can be that 4/5th OFer we expected him to be.

Farnsworth won’t be called upon to close for this team unless something unforesee happens to Wags. He’ll become another solid piece to an already stellar pen.

Does this trade make the Braves better? I would have to think so.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:13 pm

Jeffrey,

funny and informative piece. thanks

Bama man

July 31st, 2010
7:14 pm

Sure hate to Grego. Is the new center fielder the guy that use to pitch?

carlchamblee

July 31st, 2010
7:14 pm

Seriously Schulz – you really think this trade “sends a message”? Really? Or is this just the usual lapdog local Braves media pap?

You’re actually gonna quote a 2008 stat to praise Ankiel? LOL that was McLouth’s “breakout” season too! hahaha

A clear message? Yeah, we got into first place by being a patient team that manufactures runs. We now have a new SS and Cf with 250 liefetime avgs that strikeout a lot and dont take walks w whoping 300 OBPs.

Seriously Schulz – at least TRY to have some dignity when shilling for the organization.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:15 pm

G, i agree complely with your pithy assessments.

Colonel Claude

July 31st, 2010
7:15 pm

Braves are saddled with terrible additions by Wren: Glaus, Lowe, KK, McLouth, Melky, wow–so impressive. A deal involving 5 no-name players a “message”? Too many butt kissers in this town, including the columnists who write for this paper.

Bill

July 31st, 2010
7:15 pm

Love the Trade.
Jeff, 1st base is killing us. Braves need to call up Freeman are make a trade off waivers . This gets old. Thanks for up date Jeff.

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Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:16 pm

Nickgranite — I agree with you. But $60 million doesn’t scream No. 4 starter.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:16 pm

i hope Ankiel gets to cinci quick

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:17 pm

Matt R — Wow, that’s even more cynical than me.

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:17 pm

DaVein: Who pinchruns when Glaus singles in the bottom og the 9th? Slow melky? the trade sucks, Frank Wren is doing what he can so don’t completely blame him. bring back Ted Turner please.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:17 pm

Jon — It was HGH, he was investigated and then baseball dropped it. Google.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:18 pm

I guess wren thought lowe was worth those bucks

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:18 pm

“Chef” — There does seem to be a shuttle between the two teams, doesn’t there.

carlchamblee

July 31st, 2010
7:18 pm

Yanks pick up Berkman – MESSAGE

Phillies pick up Oswalt – MESSAGE

Braves swap 4th OFs (losing the better one) and middle relievers – NOT A MESSAGE

darrell starks

July 31st, 2010
7:18 pm

What the h is going here again bad trade waste of time.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

stew

July 31st, 2010
7:19 pm

Ankiel isn’t an impact player. I want someone to hit homeruns. We haven’t been hitting them. We need righty power in the outfield. Then we can ditch Glaus and bring up Freddie.

TO

July 31st, 2010
7:19 pm

The Braves team and management infuriate me. How can Wren even possibly be mentioned as a candidate for EOY when he makes bonehead decisions. Really, what did the Braves do to improve themselves with this trade? The get bullpen help for an already good bullpen? They trade one stopgap CF (Blanco) for another (Ankiel) who is a shell of what he was in 2008? Little power, doesn’t hit for average, or even get on base? They scored two runs today and that’s probably what they’re going to average the remainder of the season…I’m no baseball expert or GM, but I’m guessing they should be getting a decent bat, especially if they want to contend for the wild card.

Harry

July 31st, 2010
7:20 pm

Melky for vasquez! yunel for gonzalez. and now this. what a joke. this team is done.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:20 pm

Level — My age? So should I make analogies that appeal only to 18-to-25 year olds? Hey, read a history book!

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:20 pm

one of the few spots i got to see the game was glaus striking out with 2 (i think) aboard. wren, give troy the directions to gwinett.

darrell starks

July 31st, 2010
7:21 pm

Freeman call up is and emergency now.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:21 pm

Carl — Yeah, that’s me. Lapdog.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:22 pm

all of wren’s moves seem to be just trying to upgrade mediocrity with just below average.

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July 31st, 2010
7:22 pm

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Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:22 pm

Surprised, really, that these comments (so far) are so universally anti trade. It tells me most of you folks were expecting something unrealistic like a $10 million player coming here. That just wasn’t going to happen.

carlchamblee

July 31st, 2010
7:22 pm

He took HGH – admitted it (blamed his doc of course) – baseball dropping it does not mean he didn’t cheat. HE ADMITTED IT.

Maybe he and Glausy can scare up an old supply.

darrell starks

July 31st, 2010
7:23 pm

Power slugging pct 3,4, 5, is the lowest in majors now.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:23 pm

Bill — OK, that’s one.

ATLfan15

July 31st, 2010
7:23 pm

Ankiel? Farnsworth?! that’s the best Wren could do for a deadline trade?

i’ll never understand why Blanco wasn’t given another chance….oh well, like another post said, whatever we get from Ankiel will be better than what we’ve gotten from Melky/Nate. the only message he sends with this trade is ‘i don’t care if we finish second…we’re just hoping for the wild card’.

TampaGator

July 31st, 2010
7:23 pm

How about sending Troy Claus to AAA next….man is he bad right now. I guess Hinske and Glaus will now alternate at first and Ankeil will alternate in left and Milkey will be in center full time. The Braves, I do not feel, have enough (even with this trade) to hold off the Phils or the other wild card challengers. I hope I am wrong.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:23 pm

Jeffrey, when we spoke last night you indicated doubts about wren doing anything today noteworthy. did this change your mind? i mean REALLY change your mind?

carlchamblee

July 31st, 2010
7:24 pm

Sorry, but calling Wren EOY material for this marginal-at-best trade screams lapdog.

TampaGator

July 31st, 2010
7:25 pm

Why not send McClouth instead of Blanco to KC. Anyone else notice the Braves stopped their winning ways when Blanco was sent out. I think he added a lot of spark to the club….and we all know Bobby Cox does not like spark of any kind.

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Ralph

July 31st, 2010
7:25 pm

It doesn’t matter who the braves get in trade, as long as they have Bobby Cox they will not win anything, PERIOD. Braves do not have one starter that I would let pitch after the sixth inning no matter how great they were pitching in the sixth, they all cave in by the seventh with a very rare exception, with the bullpin they have they would win a lot more games if they would pull the starter after six innings.

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:26 pm

Laroche for Glaus and Melky was unavailable? Come on Wren make some relevant deadline trades. Or make the right move now by CALLING UP FREEMAN PRONTO!

Braves73

July 31st, 2010
7:26 pm

Welcome to bargain basement dealings…Thanks Liberty Media! It’s really a shame when the Braves are putting together a roster with a budget of $85 mill and the Phillies are working with $130+…baseball is joke. Why not impose a salary cap like the most successful sport in the US… the NFL.

Navigator

July 31st, 2010
7:26 pm

What difference does it make this year, we have a manager that doesn’t know when to pull a pitcher, and keeps a no hit first baseman in the middle of the order. Hey, the two additions should go well with the rest of this teams laid back do nothing players.

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TampaGator

July 31st, 2010
7:27 pm

If the Braves want to win….call up Freeman and alternate him with Glaus for the rest of the year. But calling up Freeman now is about money and the Braves are not about spending money any more…especially to win.

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:27 pm

Ralph, so right. The only reason we won in ‘95 was because of Mezzone and his gang.

G

July 31st, 2010
7:27 pm

I am not so much anti trade as I am anti Wren as well as your comment that this sends a message.

Real UT

July 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

Farnsworth is an upgrade over Chavez. The Braves should be really concerned with the state of the offense. Having Chipper and Glaus put up an 0-for in the middle of the lineup is killing us. At least Chipper occasionally contributes with an RBI single and some walks. All Troy can do right is draw walks. It is so obvious to everyone except Braves’ players and coaching staff that Glaus needs some rest. How long will the offensive struggle continue????

Tmac

July 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

Don’t like this trade? cause of Blanco?

What did you people expect to get, Babe Ruth for a bag of baseballs?
Blanco is a good guy, but not even a coveted backup CF.

We didn’t give up anything and we helped the 2 area’s of need. I am one of the first to bash FW for some of his moves (jeff references in this article), but he did well on this one.

(those who cling to Blanco and think this trade is not good) Get over yourself!!!

BravesFan

July 31st, 2010
7:32 pm

Real UT, remember who’s the manager? The only reg. player who gets rest is Chipper and it’s cuz he demands it. Prado’s had like 2 off days all year, and heyward’s had 2. Glaus has had 3 (injuries/pains don’t count). I mean Venters has almost as many appearances as Moylan! As long as Bobby is manager, we’ll go nowhere.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:32 pm

lets face it. wren had to do something to at least somewhat answer the phillies.

he might be quoted: ” i didnt say this trade was good. i said it was the best i could do.”

Mikey

July 31st, 2010
7:32 pm

“three significant miscalculations: Derek Lowe (four years, $60 million), Kenshin Kawakami (three years, $23 million) and Nate McLouth (three years, $15.75 million). The three read like a bad 401k portfolio.”

Left out the worst: Chipper at $13M this year, 2011, and 2012. He is possibly the worst 3B in the NL, offensively and defensively. A money pit. Let’s hope he retires with that money paid out over 30 years as a “consultant”.

Asheville Dawg

July 31st, 2010
7:34 pm

I will now put the torch down and return to my village. Glad to see you gone Chavez. Didn’t know who you were Collins, so not a great loss. I liked Blanco, so it was a down grade for Ankiel. Farnsworth way better than Chavez, but so would just a plain rock be.

100 points for D. B. Cooper reference. Maybe Kenshin has gone to meet D.B., cause I haven’t seen either in the past month. Of course Cooper disappeared in 1973.

NRBQ

July 31st, 2010
7:34 pm

Stew:

The Braves have a power righty in left field. But Bobby only plays him once a week.

And this isn’t a swap of Ankiel for Blanco, because Bobby was never gonna give Blanco any starts.

Mikey

July 31st, 2010
7:34 pm

and let us hope we go to a real platoon: Glaus should sit (in favor of Hinske) against all righties. And we can jigger our outfield as well.

Brad

July 31st, 2010
7:35 pm

I like the trade. Ankiel is a pretty good outfielder with a very good arm.

How bout this trade… KK, Lowe, Nate.. for Pujols. That’s what we should have done!

I get so tired of people wanting to trade player that are not performing and expecting to get something exceptional in return.

Rich Clary

July 31st, 2010
7:35 pm

Farnsworth is an upgrade from Chavez. Ankiel is an upgrade over Mcclouth. They give bobby some room to manuever…maneuver…man…make some moves in the lineup…

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:37 pm

BravesFan — I agree Braves coud’ve done worse than bringing back LaRoche. But why does Arizona make that trade?

DaveinNEPA

July 31st, 2010
7:37 pm

My biggest concern with the team right now is the way Cox constructs the batting order.

Chipper should not be hitting 3rd nor should Glaus be hitting 5th. One thing cox has never been able to do is structure his batting order to the hot hitters.

This is what I would hope to see tomorrow.

Infante
Chipper (still has decent OBP, let himn set table)
Heyward
McCann
Hinske/Diaz
Ankiel
Glaus
Gonzalez
Pitcher

Jesse James

July 31st, 2010
7:38 pm

Time to sit Glaus!

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:38 pm

Tmac — Thanks for the needed perspective.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
7:41 pm

Brad — KK, Lowe and Nate for Pujols? Ah come on, how could the Cardinals possibly turn that down! OK, we’ll throw in Glaus. And a box of Twinkies.

Chip Shot

July 31st, 2010
7:42 pm

Jeff, do you hear ANYTHING about the Braves calling up Freeman? He’s beastin right now.

Jt

July 31st, 2010
7:43 pm

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff. This is not an upgrade. Needed a centerfielder- best one out there was Blanco. Melky cannot do it. Every flyball is an adventure-turning every which way. Blanco can defend and get on base- Prado is gone for 2 weeks maybe. Need a hitter who can put pressure on the defense of the other team. Ankiel is a WAS- not a NOW!!! This is a knee-jerk reaction that does not upgrade- it downgrades!

Alberto

July 31st, 2010
7:43 pm

To the list of Frank Wren failures, Schultz should add Glaus, a season .244 hitter hitting .237 with runners in scoring position. The lynchpins of the team have been Hudson, signed long ago, and Prado, McCann, Venters, Hansen, and Jurrjens, all Braves products. With the one exception of Wagner, who has been good so far, Wren has not made any move that he deserves credit for.

And Carbrera is batting .308 and slugging .487 in the second half!!!! How is that a “black hole in centerfield,” and how will “I bat .240 unless I’m on HGH” Rick Ankiel improve over that, Schultz??

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mikeDW

July 31st, 2010
7:50 pm

Honest question:
Is there a reason why we didn’t give Blanco a real shot in the outfield?

Dave

July 31st, 2010
7:50 pm

It’s certainly not a bad trade because we didn’t really give anything up. Blanco was never going to be more than a singles hitter who can’t steal bases despite being relatively fast. Farnsworth is a good reliever, and losing Chavez is addition by subtraction, but we upgraded an area that didn’t really need upgrading. Unfortunately, a deep bullpen doesn’t help if you can’t get the lead, and the Braves have been struggling, particularly with runners in scoring position.

Ankiel doesn’t help our pennant chances in the slightest. Wren went out and got yet another low-OBP, occasional home run guy. We needed another clutch hitter in the lineup, someone who can consistently get a key hit or advance a runner, and he didn’t get it done. Of course, there weren’t any realistic options out there for center-field that really fit the bill. It’s nice that he made the team a tiny, tiny bit better, but I don’t think this trade realistically makes any difference in our pennant hopes.

Chippers Daddy

July 31st, 2010
7:50 pm

Deal is a wash. Ankiel is a career .252 hitter. Farnsworth will be a welcome addition, especially over Chavez. But to say that the Braves didn’t have better options internally for this bullpen is a lapse in organizational knowledge. Marek and Kimbrel are both ready. Beachy is close. Not overly ecstatic on the deal, i suppose Wren made this happen for the sake of saying at least he didn’t do nothing? Correct me if I’m wrong…

Spartacus

July 31st, 2010
7:50 pm

some of you “baseball fans” just don’t get it! Ankiel is an upgrade over any other option we’ve had in centerfield this year. I’ve watched most of the Braves games this year and Blanco is really a below average centerfielder. He continually takes bad routes to balls in the gap, doesn’t hustle to balls hit in front of him and has a really weak arm. Ankiel gets injured by hustling to everything and trying to catch everything. He has a cannon for an arm, and at .261 on a terrible team, he will be an immediate upgrade in the offense at the 7th or 8th spot. Blanco never really understood how to use his speed and even when he was sent down, he had started to come back to his normal meager offensive numbers. The Braves made a move to improve in two areas of the team, centerfield and the back end of the bullpen. I say, job well done!

TheDream

July 31st, 2010
7:53 pm

Nice Article Jeff…..but speaking of MIA pitchers, what the heck happened to Scott Proctor? He was pegged to be rehabbing earlier in the season and was supposed to help provide depth and a bit of leadership in the bullpen. However, nobody has heard from him since spring training. What gives?

Chippers Daddy

July 31st, 2010
7:55 pm

BTW I saw somebody bash the Vasquez trade? Have you seen Vasquez’ ERA lately. He had a career year here in Atlanta. He wouldn’t have done it again, and his career ERA was over 4 even with his great year here. Not to mention we got a top 100 mlb prospect that could be dealt for a quality player if we really wanted to. which we wont because he is a good player. so dont be so ignorant and shortsided when evaluating previous trades…

Chippers Daddy

July 31st, 2010
7:56 pm

THE OBGYN

July 31st, 2010
7:56 pm

Solid Trade. Kyle F is a good addition. Huge upgrade over Chavo… Ankiel is a throw in gamble. If he pans out and stays healthy the rest of the year hits 10 to 12 homers total then he’s better than what we would have had. If he hits 15+ for the year we really won the gamble… If he does less than well we were just as well to keep blanco… I’m thinking he’ll end up with 10-12 and we’ll be moderately satisfied by him.

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Alex The Great

July 31st, 2010
7:58 pm

This is a trade that a cheap team makes. When you have teams with 100+ million dollar payrolls, you make trades like the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox, etc. The Braves want to play with the big boys but can’t. On top of all that, they gutted the minors for Mark Texeira. We will pay for that for years to come.
Can’t come to a war with a pee shooter, folks.

Tomahawk

July 31st, 2010
7:58 pm

Well… I have to very respectfully disagree with you Mr. Schultz. It seems to me Wren is actually more focused on the coming years than really making a huge push for this year, which isn’t terrible. This year’s team has played pretty darn well and will more than likely make it to the post-season. However, it’s still a hitter away from having a solid lineup. If Wren was really serious about going for it this year, as you have stated, Jeff, he would’ve traded better talent for better players. The offense is good, but doesn’t scream “we’re going to take down your best three starters in a best-of-five series.” Wren knows that. He also knows that the organization is going to spend the next couple years promoting the likes of Freeman, Minor, Delgado, Salcedo, and Teheran. This is NOT the year for the Braves to go all in. Thanks to Wren’s brilliant waste of half the budget, the Braves have become a team that simply cannot sustain a competitive team without getting very significant contributions from young, cheap, controllable talent. That talent, Braves fans is on its way… but we can’t jump the gun too early. Patience is the real key to the Braves competing over the next few years, and Frank Wren is doing a very good job of being patient.

BUT don’t even think of counting out the current team. They don’t have a murderer’s row, but they have very good pitching and should be expected to make some noise this year.

William in Pasadena

July 31st, 2010
7:59 pm

Come on Schultz. Do you expect us to buy this crap. Why are you AJC writers such wimps and refuse to challenge the Braves management? This trade swaps scrubs for scrubs. It appears Wren is just pulling the ole rope a dope that he tries to improve the team. This fits in with all the other junk he has brought in. All I can say is, only 3 more months of Cox, and I hope he gives Wren, Chipper and Glaus a ride out of town when he leaves. Lowe, Kawakami, and McLouth’s $27 million would have brought a stud hitter,but, like I said, we like a lot of scrubs. I’ll take one stud over a bench full of scrubs anyday. Then you writers and Braves brass try to sell us on the idea of depth. I’ll bet NY writers wouldn’t be such kiss ups.

todd grantham

July 31st, 2010
7:59 pm

some speed would have been nice.

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Keith Law

July 31st, 2010
8:02 pm

KEITH LAW OF ESPN ON THE TRADE

“Atlanta has made itself marginally better, maybe, but it gave up a valuable, cheap middle relief piece who was a big part of why I liked its deal with Toronto earlier in the month.

Rick Ankiel is a bench piece who can’t play center every day, doesn’t control the zone and has had trouble staying healthy. He has raw power, but his ability to get to it has declined as pitchers have exploited his weakness against off-speed stuff. Kyle Farnsworth is actually having something rare for him — a good year — partly due to good control, but partly due to luck keeping the ball in the park, which isn’t likely to continue for a guy who’s not a ground-ball pitcher and tends to work with straight heat up in the zone.

The Royals get one real prospect in return, diminutive lefty Tim Collins, who can’t be mentioned in print without some reference to his height. I wrote when Atlanta acquired him in the Yunel Escobar deal that he “has dominated at every level where he’s pitched, including AA this year; he has great feel, a solid-average fastball and changeup with an above-average 12-to-6 curveball, but unless he improves the breaking ball or continues to improve his walk rate, he’s probably more of a setup guy than a potential closer.” Needless to say, nothing has changed in the last two-plus weeks, although Collins did face 29 batters in Atlanta’s system, striking out 14.

Gregor Blanco is a solid fourth outfielder who works the count a little and can play all three outfield positions but has no power and won’t hit enough to play every day. Jesse Chavez has been below replacement level this year for Atlanta, but I could see him being better than that for the next two years for KC as the 11th or 12th man on their staff.

Landing Collins alone for Farnsworth and Ankiel is still a solid return for the Royals, who retain their lead over Arizona in the race for the most quality left-handed arms in one farm system.”

Orlando Cepeda would help

July 31st, 2010
8:05 pm

At the very least, it frees Hinske from outfield duty, allowing Melky to play left, Hinske to first and let Troy rest his aching feet/knees. Without his base, his hitting has no chance.

Greg

July 31st, 2010
8:06 pm

Forget the Chavez part of the trade. Saito just lost his job to Farnsworth. Look at what will be the new late inning reliever rotation and the trade makes sense.

South Georgia

July 31st, 2010
8:07 pm

Trade is acceptable but can anyone convince Bobby Cox to take out starting pitcher before he gives up three runs when he is obviously through for day?

CECIL UPSHAW

July 31st, 2010
8:07 pm

JEFF,YOU ARE DEAD WRONG ON THIS ,BUD!!! THIS IS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHIN’!!! WAIT ,YOU DO HAVE ONE THING RIGHT…..WREN WILL BE THE G.M. OF THE YEAR IF THIS WORK’S,HOWEVER DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!

Ray

July 31st, 2010
8:10 pm

Another deal where we trade someone (Chavez) whose value has dropped to almost nothing. Just like Francouer, Reyes, Escobar. Ankiel and Farnsworth were available as free agents, but the Braves didn’t pursue them. Now, they have to deal assets to get them. Also, the 2 options are way too high for the Braves so these guys are simply rentals -as usual. But compared to the Soriano deal (which now amounts to a complete giveaway), this deal isn’t so bad.

Mathman

July 31st, 2010
8:10 pm

I agree, bring up Freeman. The Braves won’t though. Who would you send out? The choices would be Diaz, Cabrera, Conrad, Hinske, Ankiel, or Ross. We only carry a 13 man roster with 12 pitchers. So, which one of the above would you send out?

Answer: The Braves will continue to run Glaus out there, maybe resting him occasionally with Hinske. We will not see Freeman this year, unless Glaus or Hinske go on the DL.

South Georgia

July 31st, 2010
8:10 pm

Does Bobby know when to take a pitcher out?

BoroBall3

July 31st, 2010
8:10 pm

I have no idea why so many dont like the Farnsworth transaction… I think many of you forget that the Braves offered him a two (or threee) year deal to stay in Atlanta to be the closer and got outbid by the Yankees for a couple billion dollars… They like Farnsworth and for all in tense and purposed, Farnsworth never disliked being in Atlanta… this is going to work out

Josh

July 31st, 2010
8:11 pm

Jeff – pointing out that these guys don’t have to be the center pieces of the trade is the most overlooked part of the article. But now, the center pieces of the team have to start playing like it. I’m just glad we have someone with speed and great arm (Ankiel) in center.

Concerned

July 31st, 2010
8:13 pm

Can not believe that Melky and Hinsky were in the outfield laughing about that error made by Melky………SUCH A SHAME!! That play alone probably cost us a win.. They should not be allowed to start again!! They are both slow as hell and cant play outfield….I hope Bobby or Wren sees the replay and scolds them for this mochery !

Oregon Brave

July 31st, 2010
8:13 pm

Don’t sweat the 18-25 crowd, Jeff I like your style. Been a Braves fan since ‘57 and I can’t recall an acquisition more horrible than the Mike Hampton deal. By August of ‘08 we didn’t have any starters that could even go 5 to qualify for a win did we? So FW overpays for a couple of innings eaters in DLowe and KK. Wasn’t it against the Braves that Ankiel started his downward spiral as a pitcher?

BuckheadBrave

July 31st, 2010
8:15 pm

Who knows, there is no telling you people act as if baseball can be predicted and if it can you are the ones who can do it. Who knows, you need this guy to have a hot 2 months, who would have thought Glaus would have the May and June he did, none of you, if you say you did you are a liar. What is Ankiel comes in here and has an Adam LaRoche like second half and hits 14 HRs, none of you predicted that from Laroche, if you say you did again you are a liar. He’s not worse than Gregor, he’s not worse than Melky and he has the potential to flash more power in the next two months than those two will their entire careers. Stop acting like you know what will happen, its not football where bigger and faster always wins, baseball is weird, quirky, and wildly unpredictable and you never know what player with a bit of raw talent will out of nowhere start bombing the ball out of the park. Did you honestly think the lackadaisical Laroche we saw in his first go around here would EVER have the two months he had his second time around? It could be the same thing this time.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:16 pm

Why are these “Braves fans” not only not at least happy with the deal, but flat out upset with it? Breaking the deal down piece by piece shows it is AT WORST a wash for us.

Chavez < Farnsworth – no brainer. People complaining about getting a good bullpen arm, familiar with the club, and experience on a big stage are certainly not getting it. This is also addition by subtraction.

Blanco cash – Unless the cash is a considerable amount that makes a difference in the future for roster flexibility. That being said, we had him for a very short time and he is no lock to be anything special.

Then what bat do you get? Corey Hart? hurt thumb and mixed results. Carlos Guillen? will fly through waivers next month. Who else seriously??? I wish we could have pried Marlon Byrd from the Cubs but there is no reason to think that was even in the realm of possibility. I pick him because he plays center and hits with average and some power… plus he plays amazingly hard every play.

Sit tight and ride it out.

Reid Adair

July 31st, 2010
8:16 pm

Kyle Farnsworth taking Jesse Chavez’s spot is an improvement; adding Rick Ankiel is not. The Braves needed power. As you mentioned, Jeff, Troy Glaus has shown that May’s numbers were the exception rather than the norm.

Ankiel’s 25 home runs were much like Glaus’ performance in May. Outside of 2008, he’s never hit more than 11. Ankiel is not a solution to the need for power.

To some, it looks good now; for me, it looks to be another dud.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:18 pm

Asheville Dawg — Don’t put your torch in storage yet. Might need it in a few weeks for Glaus. Hah!

NOCAHOMA

July 31st, 2010
8:18 pm

PEOPLE chill! trade = mediocre players for a different set of mediocre players. with the ones that were here you KNEW they were of no help, at least with the new mediocre players we could get 1 or 2 GOOD months out of them. that makes the deal viable.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:20 pm

Chip Shot — Haven’t heard. My PURE speculation: I’d be surprised if he’s not called up. Wouldn’t shock me if they DL’d Glaus. Have to do something.

BuckheadBrave

July 31st, 2010
8:20 pm

NOCAHOMA, my thoughts exactly the same people who want the Braves to win now also want them to stock up for a future that may never arrive. There is no pleasing them.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:20 pm

JT, JT, JT… Disagree on this not being an upgrade (does it make a stronger impact when I type the name 3 times too).

I'm jaded...

July 31st, 2010
8:22 pm

I’m in panic mode…I feel this team is put togather with spare parts and the Phillies have a car that just got out the shop…and it’s tuned up fine….I’ll pull for Braves like crazy…but I’m worried….

Jeff….I googled DB Cooper…he’s still around…living it up Brazil…

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:24 pm

The Dream: Proctor’s numbers @Gwinnett: 2-3, 8.28. Don’t expect to see him up here.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:24 pm

Jeff – A little early, but any thoughts (prior to letting it play out) on the waiver wire strategy or some names/target positions that are being tossed around as potentials?

Doc K

July 31st, 2010
8:25 pm

Frank Wren is stupid! All he has done is took a team that lost 90+ games and turned them into a first place club in front of heavily favored Philly. And Bobby Cox can’t manage either, 14 straight division championships and has the respect of every player in MLB. We need to fire both of them and hire a couple of self proclaimed genius bloggers!

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:25 pm

The Obgyn — Fair analysis.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:26 pm

half my post was cut out… hmmmm reading out now makes no sense. I will try again.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:26 pm

William in Pasadena — If you think I don’t challenge Braves’ management (or any team’s front office in this town), this must be the first column of mine you’ve ever read. I’m sure others can fill you in.

Furman Bitcher

July 31st, 2010
8:26 pm

Jeff I agree completely with you. Good solid trade that filled two needs that we had and we did not give up anything except the weakest link in our bullpen.

Furman Bitcher

July 31st, 2010
8:27 pm

Tough crowd tonight

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:27 pm

Keith Law — OMG, Keith Law isn’t overwhelmed! Well, that’s it, the trades stinks. Time to go home.

Bobby Waits Too Long

July 31st, 2010
8:27 pm

Hope there was lots of cash involved in the deal. Was probably just a thousand or two to say and cash. Why in the world does Bobby wait so long with starters. He must still be “jerk leg” about his bull pen. Another case of another inning too long. How many of these games has Bobby Cox lost. I love Bobby but this is a major weakness. We would probably have at least eight more wins this season if “too long” Bobby had made the call to the bullpen sooner.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:28 pm

retry:

Chavez < Farnsworth – no brainer. People complaining about getting a good bullpen arm, familiar with the club, and experience on a big stage are certainly not getting it. This is also addition by subtraction.

Blanco cash – Unless the cash is a considerable amount that makes a difference in the future for roster flexibility. That being said, we had him for a very short time and he is no lock to be anything special.

turkey caller

July 31st, 2010
8:29 pm

Braves need a true #3 hitter instead of Cox parading Larry Jones in the batting order. I said early in the season that Cox and Jones would kill any postseason hopes and it appears that is what is happening. Infante needs continued playing time and to hell with the lefty/righty junk Cox is hung up on. It always seems we bench our hottest hitters in lieu of players Cox trots out with some crazy notion of it being a stategy. Prado, McCann and Infante are really the only consistent game to game offense we have had all season. Hinske has been productive and Heyward also to some extent. Sure, we are in first place but this is beginning to be the time of year good teams really start playing ball. This lineup has not had a #3 hitter all season because Cox continues to play Jones when it is evident he is just going thru the motions and is washed up. He may have been a good player in the past but he is a damned joke in the power slot and defensively is slow as a snail. I don’t watch the Braves just because it is Cox’s last season or because Larry Jones is still on the team. I like to see them play good, smart baseball but at times Cox makes that impossible. They knew damn well before the season they needed a big stick or two and instead played the bandaid approach. This team leaves baserunners game after game and more often than not the heralded Larry Jones kills any chance of productivity. Loyalty is one thing folks but enough is enough.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:29 pm

BoroBall3 — The biggest surprise about Farnsworth leaving after 2005 season is Braves were offering him the closer role. He was only going to be setup guy in NY.

JG2112

July 31st, 2010
8:30 pm

@ Alberto – I disagree. Glaus has been terrible for most part of the season, but where would we be if it wasn’t for that “only productive month” he had with us? For the money he is getting I can’t say I could ask for more. Unlike Lowe, who is getting PAID but isn’t honoring his salary.

@ Everybody crying for Blanco – Yes, the dude had a nice few weeks “this season”. But I keep reading people saying things like “Why never give a chance to Blanco?”, to that I say… are you serious? How many more chances do you want to give Blanco? He got 430 AB back in 2008 and the very next year he couldn’t beat Anderson for a roster spot.

He is what he is. A guy that can work the count and get some bxb, plays average defense (he isn’t as Willie Mays-esque as some are putting him to be) with a BELOW average arm, and gets some singles now and then.

If you check the stats, we are having NO PROBLEMS getting WALKS. Glaus and Chipper are doing great. What this lineup needs it’s more POP and that’s what Ankiel should bring. If you check at Ankiel’s numbers, he is having a bad year but still has a SLUG. of 450+ Which means he is getting it done in the extra base hits department. If you ask me THAT’S what we need. Plus, I think that Bobby Cox can get creative and use more Hinske in 1B, Ankiel in LF and Melky en CF vs RHP. That could help Glaus to get going again.

Finally, you guys need to remember the names of Charles Thomas, Dewayne Wise, Nick Green, etc. Those guys did great as roleplayers, but after they left they became nothing. Simple because like our friend Blanco, he is NOT starting material.

But’s that’s just me thinking.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:30 pm

Thanks Josh. Maybe I should’ve led with that.

What is Bobby C thinking?

July 31st, 2010
8:30 pm

Jeff, why does Bobby wait so long to pull a starter. This has happened so many times. Do you have any idea why?

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:30 pm

Why are these “Braves fans” not only not at least happy with the deal, but flat out upset with it? Breaking the deal down piece by piece shows it is AT WORST a wash for us.

Farnsworth over Chavez – no brainer. People complaining about getting a good bullpen arm, familiar with the club, and experience on a big stage are certainly not getting it. This is also addition by subtraction.

Ankiel over Blanco – Blanco may have done alright a week or so ago when he was up but he spent most of his time for the last decade in the minor leagues. He will be taking his ONE CAREER HR and his 3 to 1 strike out to RBI ratio with him. Do people really think he is this young up and coming player still? I like him fine but will not likely notice he is gone.

Collins over cash – Unless the cash is a considerable amount that makes a difference in the future for roster flexibility. That being said, we had him for a very short time and he is no lock to be anything special.

Then what bat do you get? Corey Hart? hurt thumb and mixed results. Carlos Guillen? will fly through waivers next month. Who else seriously??? I wish we could have pried Marlon Byrd from the Cubs but there is no reason to think that was even in the realm of possibility. I pick him because he plays center and hits with average and some power… plus he plays amazingly hard every play.

Sit tight and ride it out.

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:31 pm

Oregon Brave — Thanks. Hampton was a great deal for about a year, a long and expensive nightmare thereafter.

Furman Bitcher

July 31st, 2010
8:31 pm

Was Arod not available for trade or could we have landed Rivera. We should have done the package with Lowe, McCouth, KK & Chavez. Who would turn that down.

moldavite731

July 31st, 2010
8:31 pm

did we forget that these braves were 7 games ahead of the phillies, they have held unto first place for 2 months now, everbody was on the bandwagon now that the phillies are coming back people are jumping ship saying they’re not going to win it, but this is the same team thats been winning it. what changed? nothing. the only thing philly did was pickup oswalt. thats it. and he lost last nite. pitching will win the division for the braves. come playoffs we will see if we rise to the ocasion

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
8:33 pm

Real Perspective — I think there’s going to be significant movement in the next month. Two factors: 1) Several teams being convinced they’re no longer in wildcard race and willing to move players; 2) Players w/high salaries not being claimed on waivers because of economics, allowing deals to be made.

Time

July 31st, 2010
8:33 pm

You people ripping the trade are clueless. Even if Ankiel does nothing but sit in our two position OF platoon, getting Farnsworth will prove to be a great move. You can never, ever, have too many good relief pitchers.

I wanted a big time power corner outfielder just like everyone else. Problem is, once the Brewers pulled Hart off the market, there were none to be had that were worth getting. Could have overspent for Hawpe, or maybe gotten Berkman and been terrible defensively.

Now, move Lowe to the pen, bring up Mike Minor. Then move Glaus to the bench and bring up Freeman.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:34 pm

Keith Law is notorious for using obscure stats in his favor while ignoring others. He is also famous for watching the comments on his blog and selectively responding to points in an off-the-handle manner while ignoring good points.

Lastly his whole analysis is irrelevant and weak. He has been high on the little reliever and has barely mentioned any of the other players in either Atlanta deal in a positive light.

Bob Horner had a big fro

July 31st, 2010
8:34 pm

This is a good move. It isn’t a “breaking news” kind of trade, but it gives us a good #6 or #7 hitter and lets us use Hinske at first base more. The bullpen upgrade is solid, and I think we gave up little and could get much more in return. We needed power, not another utility outfielder, and that is what we got. I think Wren did the best he could. The McLouth, KK and Lowe contracts are hurting him right now, but the REAL key to this team is not Ankiel versus Blanco – it is Glaus and Chipper needing to come through with some hits and power. We won’t go far without those two getting going – and soon.

Bill Stanfill

July 31st, 2010
8:35 pm

The Braves made a reasonable trade. Chavez did not contribute; Blanco is not productive enough at the plate; Collins, despite his innings/strikeout ratio, does not rate as highly as at least 10 of the minor league pitchers in the Braves’ system.

Farnesworth will be a reliable presence for 6th and 7th, maybe 8th, inning work. Ankiel is solid defensively, has been impressive lately in what has been a short season for him because of injury.
The Braves gave up none of their valued prospects; they’re deeper in the pen; Ankiel has more up-side than any of the others in the CF-LF rotation.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:36 pm

Jeff – thanks for the reply, but any early insight in what the Braves may look to do in regards to waivers?

Also I found out that the comment box does not allow the less than and greater than symbols, and that is why my comment got cut off twice.

Bob Horner eats red meat

July 31st, 2010
8:38 pm

I agree w/ your post but that didn’t cost us the game….we’re not hitting…..(I’m a genious) JJ had good stuff today…Bobby stuck with him 1 inning too long…(and I agree w/ that call….I would have as well..).that said when we were going to the bottom of the 7th and I saw who the Reds had coming up I said to myself this is the game…and it was…if we win tomorrow it’s a 4-5 road trip and we fly back to Atlanta with agood taste in our mouths…..if we lose the lead could could be 1.5…..

JRW7

July 31st, 2010
8:39 pm

BOBBY COX!!!! Please play Eric Hinske at 1st, Glaus is killing us, he grounds out or pops for the last week and you continue to play him WHY?????

Bob Horner eats red meat

July 31st, 2010
8:40 pm

my last post was for @Concerned

Jimmy in Gainesville

July 31st, 2010
8:41 pm

Jeff, could you ask Bobby Cox why he chooses to leave tired pitchers in the game so long?

free advice for JRW7

July 31st, 2010
8:44 pm

JRW7 …because Bobby sticks with “his boys”…..you didn’t know..???…realize it…accept it…if you don’t you’ll drive yourself insane…it “is what it is..” and it will NOT change….

ryan

July 31st, 2010
8:44 pm

Well what if Braves have stand pat then what you have said i bet if we Cody Ross you people still would upset or Corey Hart. You so called Braves fans should be happy we got some help . We are banged up with Chipper and Prado so this was a good move as insurance .

Yunel #1 Fan

July 31st, 2010
8:44 pm

Im NOT a Wren fan but this is not a bad trade. Ankiel is better than what we have and i love Farnsworth. Now we have the best pitching staff in MLB.And a decent CF. And we still have our prospects.
This trade only helps us this year, and same thing with the Yunel trade (stupid trade) so we better win it ALL this year.
Finally im truly worry about next year, no Bobby, no Chip, no SS and a lot of dead money. So its NOW or never.

IceColdATLien

July 31st, 2010
8:45 pm

Think about the great strategy involved with this move: You have Ankiel-Cabrera platoon in center field, and Hinske-Diaz in left field. That maximizes their strengths as well as give us great depth… and that’s assuming McLouth doesn’t get it together this year.

This was a nice move overall, especially when you add to the bullpen depth with Farnsworth almost as a throw-in. I’m happy with this.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
8:45 pm

I’d like to ask all of these people complaining about the Wren deals (which may suck, not really arguing) what they think we are missing? There were no major bats to buy at this deadline. Do you want Tejada or Berkman… sure if it is 2002. Do you want to deal with Boras for Prince Fielder?

I’m more interested in seeing what is up with BJ Upton or (I WISH) Carl Crawford next year. I am not sad we didn’t buy on Figgins.

As for Lowe. Maybe we overpaid but he is literally the poster boy for consistent.

BuckheadBrave

July 31st, 2010
8:46 pm

The comments are gradually getting more positive. Its because those trade deadline watchers who probably have three computer screens up two tvs on ESPN and running analysis on how trades will affect their fantasy teams are the ones who always could have made a better move and scrutinize every word out of a GM’s mouth. The rest of us normal people and normal fans were out with members of the opposite sex doing things and you know, having a life and enjoying a weekend. Rick Ankiel or Gregor Blanco have no impact on my life and you have no idea how the next 2 months can play out. I am as big a Braves fan as there is im the one to my friends who is obsessed with the Braves but you people make even me want to say, who gives a sh*t, get a life. Now if you excuse me im going to go return to my weekend.

@IceColdATLien

July 31st, 2010
8:49 pm

and that’s assuming McLouth doesn’t get it together this year.

How do you type this and and hit the “submit comment”..?????? I’m not a blogger bully but I’m calling you out on that statement….McClouth was wretched this year…debate over

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Beef Pocoroba

July 31st, 2010
8:51 pm

I am surprised to see so many against this trade.

We gave up a guy with a career .309 slugging percentage (think about that for a second), a scared and scarred mop-up man, and a prospect who was in our system for two weeks.

We got a much needed bullpen piece who is sporting an ERA under 2.50, and an outfielder who can provide some much needed power and play a solid center field. All without taking on too much salary.

Any team with several high OBP guys needs someone to hit a bomb now and then to capitalize on it. At least Ankiel provides that possibility

Christopher Chance

July 31st, 2010
8:51 pm

Ankiel has killer arm playing center field………something that we havent had in quite some time.

Marc in FL

July 31st, 2010
8:52 pm

After thinking about it more, I still don’t get it, lol, this trade continues to baffle me. Maybe Ankiel will hit 20 HRs down the stretch and rack up 10 assists. Maybe Farns will replace Saito and be an elite set-up man for the rest of the year.

Or maybe Ankiel will continue to be an out machine with slightly above average defense and health concerns. Maybe Farns will be a 6/7th inning guy that mostly just replaces Chavez in the pen.

I don’t know, I want to belive in Frank, but this just doesn’t inspire me.

IceColdATLien

July 31st, 2010
8:52 pm

exactly my point. We have depth even without McClouth. Calm down and take a moment to read the actual words…

Yunel #1 Fan

July 31st, 2010
8:55 pm

D*ckheadB- KMA “real fan” my ass. I do care what my Braves do or not do. I spend a lot of time watching them play. So go f yourself and dont comment if you dont like it.

@IceColdATLien

July 31st, 2010
8:58 pm

sorry…my dislike for Nate’s offensive production crosses over into personal life…….I need help…..I want to make millions for hitting a buck-fifty……and be “liked” in the clubhouse….and by Bobby…

Marc in FL

July 31st, 2010
9:01 pm

And I don’t think anyone is questioning getting Farnsworth, I think most people are a bit baffled with the Ankiel acquisition. I’m beginning to think Moore wouldn’t trade Farns without including Ankiel in the package and we were the only team willing to bite.

Michael C

July 31st, 2010
9:02 pm

Numbers, your numbers speak volumes. But what they don’t say is that Escobar wasn’t going to produce that for the Braves. The chemistry between Yunel and his teammates, or Yunel and Bobby Cox, was bad. Yunel needed to move on.

Marc in FL

July 31st, 2010
9:03 pm

moldavite731 – “did we forget that these braves were 7 games ahead of the phillies, they have held unto first place for 2 months now, everbody was on the bandwagon now that the phillies are coming back people are jumping ship saying they’re not going to win it, but this is the same team thats been winning it. what changed?”

Troy Glaus sucks again.

JoeFan

July 31st, 2010
9:03 pm

Makes all the sense in the world to DL Glaus and promote Freeman. Glaus is definitely hurting. You can see it by the way he hits and runs. Give him the time to heal and lets see if Freeman is as his numbers indicate at AAA.

ryan

July 31st, 2010
9:03 pm

I remember a few years ago some on here said we have to get Ankeil because in St . Louis he was one of the reasons why they one the World Series and with the Royals he played pretty good and there a bad team.

Jesse James

July 31st, 2010
9:04 pm

Yunel is where he needs to be! Out of the country!

Chris G.

July 31st, 2010
9:04 pm

Freddie Freeman is on fire right now!!!! Bring him up and sit Glaus down. He is the jolt we need. He is going to be the real deal. They can at least let him bat against right handers.

Jesse James

July 31st, 2010
9:06 pm

JoeFan – You are right about Glaus. Weak effort on low throw today but I believe it was because of his knee and foot. Freeman has been impressive and I like his approach to the game, very professional.

don

July 31st, 2010
9:06 pm

CONGRATULATIONS AND BEST WISHES TO GREGOR BLANCO AS HE ESCAPES ATLANTA AND WILL NOW GET A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF.

Blanco obviously was never going to be given a chance in Atlanta. He is njow a Royal. Good for him.

He parallels Javier Vazquez in many ways. Why was Vazquez traded? Because the Braves couldn’t unload the vastly overpaid Lowe and/or Kawakami. Only the Braves were fool enough to sign these two and no one was dumb enough to take either of them off their hands.

Same goes for Blanco. Why was Blanco in the trade rather than McLouth or Cabrera? Simple. No one would take either of these duds off the hands of the Braves.

Wren was true to form. He grabbed a couple of unwanted rentals for the rest of the year. Will they bring a NL championship? Not likely. It didn’t work with Drew or Teixeira. It isn’t likely to work with these two retreads.

By the way, didn’t Wren tell us that Collins could be the next Billy Wagner? He sure chanced his mind quickly.

Still, all in all, I’m pleased with the transaction. I am pleased because Blanco escaped and will now get a fair shot. He deserved it a long time ago.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
9:08 pm

I like it. And even though the Braves were definitely one of the buyers at the trade deadline they came out almost like a seller by getting K.C. to pony up some Pesos for the salaries of Ankiel and Farnsworth.

Okay, so we gave up Tim Collins who probably will see some success in MLB as a relief pitcher but we did not give up any of the following:

Mike Minor
Craig Kimbrell
Julio Teheran
Arodys Vizcaino

I like it.

BehindEnemyLines

July 31st, 2010
9:09 pm

Put me in the “it’s not bad, it’s just not more than marginally good either” camp. Overall, it’s definitely an upgrade of the roster IMO, just not seeing how it’s enough of an upgrade to maintain the division lead and doesn’t make me think holding onto the wildcard is more than a 50-50 proposition. That said, I expected this to border on a hundred loss team when the season began, so I’m having a tough time doing the righteous indignation level of anger about it.

Chris G.

July 31st, 2010
9:11 pm

Ankiel is a gamble but he is 10-24 last 6 games since cming off DL with HR. He is hot and maybe his best is to come this year.

steve

July 31st, 2010
9:12 pm

DL Glaus! Use Infante MORE! Bring up Freeman! Hinske/Diaz LF Ankiel CF Heyward RF
Chipper/Infante 3B Gonzalez SS Prado 2B FREEMAN! 1B McCann C The key is to bring up Freeman If he can’t perform at the big league level, you have rested Glaus and maybe you can alternate Hinske and Glaus at 1B for the rest of the season with acceptable production Does anyone have a better idea?

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:12 pm

WHO is Kieth Law, and why should I give a ding dong dangit about what he thinks.
ESPN is a hack network.
The heck with em.

Marc in FL

July 31st, 2010
9:14 pm

Watching the White Sox / Athletics game right now… Andruw looks like a natural RF out there. Too bad he had to hit bottom before he turned it around. I’m happy for him but wish he would have done that in a Braves Uni. We wouldn’t have this CF/RH power bat issue.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:15 pm

@Marc in FL – how does this deal baffle you? We got rid of our worst reliever and added a far better one. Then we took a 10 year minor league player that was in the minors just before the trade and got a center fielder that has some power. At worst we got a veteran to add to the rotation, the upside is added a power bat with a chip on his shoulder. Then we got rid of a guy we had for a few weeks that is riddled with question marks. This deal is fairly straight forward, low risk, at least some improvement.

@don – Why weren’t McLouth or Cabrera included? The Royals were DUMPING salary not taking it on. Blanco has done nothing in the decade he has been with the Braves. Why such a loyalty to him over the Braves? Did you catch his ONE homerun ball? On the other points, I am not sure even you know what you are talking about.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:15 pm

This trashing of Glaus is the same bull that the non-believers were spewing in Apr.
Glaus will get his MOJO back.
I personally hope that he waits until around the middle of Aug.

Dawg Whisperer

July 31st, 2010
9:16 pm

Jeff, I couldn’t agree with you more.

Bad news

July 31st, 2010
9:16 pm

I don’t know why Jeff isn’t on top of this story, but Chipper just strained an oblique trying to pronounce “Ankiel”.

Bill

July 31st, 2010
9:17 pm

When are you people going to realize that Wren can only do so much with the lack of money he gets from this ownership group.When your payroll pales in comparisons with Philly, NY, and Boston this is what you get.

The days of picking up a Fred McGriff at the trade deadline are gone.At least until somebody that cares about winning first buys the Braves.

wawel78

July 31st, 2010
9:18 pm

Glaus signed for 1.75 mil. While he seems running out of gas, he’s already earned his money.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:19 pm

Some of these folks would complain if you gave them a job in a mattress factory, checking the softness of the bed.

steve

July 31st, 2010
9:19 pm

Glaus runs like he is 90 years old. You do him a favor by putting him on the DL.

Chris G.

July 31st, 2010
9:19 pm

What kills me is a week ago the Braves were the favorite to win the division then the Phillies get Oswalt now their going to win the division and the World series. Espn is a joke!!! Oswalt is 0-3 with 7.58 era lifetime versus the braves. They are hot and we are cold but it will go back and forth til the end of the year. We are taking the Phillies punches right now and we are still in first.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:20 pm

Any of the complainers want to take a crack at what the Braves “should have done”? (cue: cut Lowe, trade Glaus, McLouth, Kawakami for Pujols and Wainwright – get Francouer back – and trade for Oswalt OR Strasburg)

Largo

July 31st, 2010
9:21 pm

Jeff , you’re an idiot! I wouldn’t take either of these guys as a gift. Farnsworth wasn’t worth a damn under pressure when he was here before. Of course, he thought he was, the self-centered bum. Ankiel is a joke, look at his stats. Quit trying to please the powers that be.

We still have Glaus. What a bummer. He couldn’t a pitcher if the guy walked across the plate.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:21 pm

@Bill – valid point. Even if we had the money… who is the Fred McGriff to get this deadline? Berkman or Tejada? No thanks.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:23 pm

RealP…….You left out trading Prado to Ariz. for Kelly Johnson, because he would never had hurt his hand, making that head first slide.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:24 pm

@Largo – since you are throwing around the word idiot, would you care to clarify what this means?

“He couldn’t a pitcher if the guy walked across the plate.”

If you wouldn’t take those guys as gifts, then it is probably best you don’t purchase an MLB team or at least someone else accept gifts like that on your behalf.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
9:25 pm

Wow, you mean that the great Keith Law disapproves of this trade because the Braves gave up a AA pitcher who might have a chance at a marginal career as a relief pitcher. I guess Frank Wren is going to jump off of the nearest overpass when he reads that. After all, Keith Law is such an expert. Get real.

@RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:25 pm

Why weren’t McLouth or Cabrera included?

I got a run down the car in the yard…aint worth $500….but I’ll sell it to you for $1K….

not sure if you play chess but you can’t trade a pawn for a Bishop….(and win)

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:25 pm

They would complain if you gave them a chocolate cake, that the chocolate frosting was too thick.

steve

July 31st, 2010
9:26 pm

Good team overall, we just need to sit Chipper and Glaus down at frequent intervals. PS Let’s not hang the starters out for loses in the seventh inning, they have already done their job after 6.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:28 pm

Need to 7 innings.

Turtsnap

July 31st, 2010
9:28 pm

I’ll go against the trend here and agree with you Jeff. I do see this as an upgrade. To get Farnsworth and Ankiel and only give up Blanco, Chavez and a minor league prospect is a pretty good deal.

Personally, I can’t believe all of the sudden Gregor Blanco lovers. Just 2 years ago, everyone was begging for him to be sent back down to Richmond. Fickle blog

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:29 pm

need to go 7

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
9:29 pm

RealPerspective — No names because it’s impossible to know: 1) What teams will drop out of race; 2) Therefore what players will be available; 3) And what Braves need. But if you want names, here’s some: Adam Dunn, Josh Willingham, Adam Laroche, Corey Hart, Cody Ross, Jose Guillen, Jose Batista. That enough to hold you? Haha.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:30 pm

“Why weren’t McLouth or Cabrera included?

I got a run down the car in the yard…aint worth $500….but I’ll sell it to you for $1K….”

You do realize it was don that asked that, not me. You aren’t selling me a Ford Pinto.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:30 pm

What has happened to KawaKami? Did he fall in one of those sink-holes when the Braves were down in Fla.?

THE OBGYN

July 31st, 2010
9:31 pm

If Freeman is ready bring him up. Let Glaus rest him once every 5 games like ross does for McCann. Glaus could be a heck of a bench player. But who do we send down Chris?

Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
9:32 pm

Does the same person who keeps blogging under different names asking why Bobby leaves starting pitchers in too long think that I don’t know that it’s the same person blogging under different names asking the same question? Just askin’.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:32 pm

Can call KK, D.B. Cooperkami.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:35 pm

@Jeff Schultz – Thanks for the list. That is the same cheat sheet we have had for this deadline, so no surprises there. I was more curious about the methodology rather than the specifics like; “we missed on this” or “it would be nice to add depth here”. It seems at least to some degree that our two to-do list items of reliever and outfield bat were addressed to some degree. Thanks for the reply! I know it is impossible to name names at this point. One other wish list question… is there any chance that in a world were Crawford or Pujols were available, would the Braves be serious players in that market. (obviously there would be league altering scenarios needed to play out for either to happen, but a fantasy what-if, if you would be kind enough to oblige.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:37 pm

Cox can rest Glaus on a regular basis with Hinske at 1st.
That way, Diaz could get his bat in the game more.
And don’t tell me about the L/R bull, Diaz can hit .250 against righties.
Is Cabrera hitting any better than .250 against L or R hand pitchers?

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Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
9:37 pm

Largo — I’m an idiot? You’re the one who just said Kyle Farnworth couldn’t handle pressure when he was here and he had a 1.98 ERA w/10 saves, 32 strikeouts, 7 walks in 27.1 innings in 26 appearances. Do your homework, bunky.

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:37 pm

@__________ Q: Does Bobby Cox leave pitchers in too long? A: Sometimes.

repeat 5x

Marc in FL

July 31st, 2010
9:39 pm

We don’t know what trade possbilities were out there, so it’s hard to judge a GM when you don’t know what the alternatives were.

I do know after almost 3 full season, we still do not have a damn RH bat with pop. We jumped into first on the back of Glaus, he’s cold now, and if he doesn’t heat up I doubt the addition of Ankiel will help pick up the slack.

Basically, we’re in the same boat we were in yesterday – we need Glaus to perform (or, gasp, Chipper to break out), or replace him somehow – or this team will continue to play around .500 ball on the backs of good pitching and occasional late-game heroics. I have a hard time saying we improved, when in fact, we have the same vulnerabilities and strengths we had before. We didn’t need bullpen help, Chavez was mostly relegated to blow-out games, and Ankiel simply isn’t a significant upgrade in CF.

We still need our only RH impact bat (Glaus) to get hot again. The point of a trade is to better your team where it needs it; we did not do that. Thus the reason it baffles me. I don’t blame Wren, I don’t know what options he had, but forgive me for not jumping up in joy over this when it essentially did nothing.

@Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
9:40 pm

are you saying you know when people change screen names..??? how can I circumvent that..???

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:41 pm

I was going to say that Farnsworth sure looked like he handled a lot of pressure situations when he was with the Braves.
The Braves could not out spend those dangnabid Yankees, to retain him.

mudcat

July 31st, 2010
9:42 pm

Farnsworth was the key. Bobby always wears out his bullpen early and Farnsworth will really help eat some innings. We gave up-nothing! Blanco could be a decent utility guy someday-but not today! This wasn”t a difference-maker deal, but it could be a small part of the process that results in a shot at a championship. And that’s all you can ask for, is a shot.

GO BRAVES

July 31st, 2010
9:44 pm

RALPH WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD MANAGE THE TEAM PENDLTON? THE BRAVES ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE IN HITTING WITH HIM AS THIER COACH WHERE WOULD THEY BE WITH HIM AS MANGER YIKES!!!

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:44 pm

The Braves do have a right handed batter with pop, he hit a HR last night.
His name is Matt Diaz.
But the manager has this R/L thing and will not give him a chance to play against RHPs.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

During the Braves 14-year run the one thing that kept them from winning more World Series Championships was the lack of a good bullpen to close the deal for the amazing starting pitchers that the Braves always had.

All of the folks who continuously knock Bobby Cox with the any idiot could win World Series Championships with Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in the starting rotation argument convieniently seem to forget all of the late inning bullpen failures that doomed the Braves during the 14-year stretch.

I, for one, am never going to complain about Frank Wren doing what he can to make the Braves historical achilles heel as good, or better, than any other bullpen in baseball.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

Aren’t the Braves 5th in hitting and runs scored in the NL?

@Jeff Schultz

July 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

bunky..?? my dictionary reads bunk is “nonsense”….so bunky means “one full of nonsense..?? come on Jeff…bite

RealPerspective

July 31st, 2010
9:47 pm

@Marc in FL:

I agree with you on most of what you said. I am not sure still why at least marginally upgrading baffles you. Having a veteran in the pen with experience and a strong-armed center fielder that has some power over our worst young bullpen arm and a career minor leaguer should be pretty much a no-brainer.

Sure many of the same problems may exist (although maybe lessened after today) but that is not this trade. This trade makes us better… how much, we don’t know yet. There wasn’t a ton of movement on the hitters’ front. The guys that moved, I’m not sure were worth the price. Corey Hart was hurt too, hard to jump on that.

Peter

July 31st, 2010
9:47 pm

Wow Jeff how many guys coming back from injury are we going to pick up ?

Glaus was great for a month and 1/2…..

Why trade a 300 hitter for some power, that may or may not happen ?

Also can you tell us the Braves record when Blanco started……. cause that trade was just Dumb !

I would have traded Chavez, and minor league guy for Farnsworth, but are we not getting another Nate in center now?

So what happens if Nate finds his stroke…how many left handed hitters will we have ?

Please let’s get real, Chipper and Glause are killing us……Chipper in the 3 hole is a JOKE and Glaus above the 6 hole is the second JOKE.

We should have kept Blanco and batted him second, Hayward 3rd…..Brian 4th Chipper 5th Glause 6th….

This club is about to implode because they cannot score runs unless we hot a home run……Stupid baseball, but hey just an opinion.

By the way they club was like over 60% when Blanco started is that not true ?

DaveinNEPA

July 31st, 2010
9:48 pm

@ the posters who are complaining about Cox leaving pitchers in too long.

Today he didn’t have a whole lot of choice because he was an arm short in the pen.

As soon as the trade went down, Chavez was packing his bags to leave town, and Farnsworth won’t be available until tomorrow at the earliest.

Venters, Moylan and Saito all pitched last night and I don’t think Saito was available today. I even saw Kawakami warming up today.

Cox may leave his starters in too long on other occasions but today he’s off the hook. He didn’t have much choice.

Idot

July 31st, 2010
9:51 pm

DaveinNEPA……..So, KK is still alive then?

JOE

July 31st, 2010
9:54 pm

Jeff, I agree with your assessment COMPLETELY. This sends the right message and does exactly what we needed, gives our team a slight boost without draining our farm system or leaving us any financial baggage for next year! There is really no way that this deal could come back to hurt us, unless the 5′7′ Collins turns out to be the best closer baseball has ever seen. Ankiel will play good defense, and provide a little more pop and hopefully a little more average than Melky in center field. Farnsworth is a very good arm from the right side. He could be a set-up man on most teams. Here he’ll have to get in line behind Venters. This gives us a damn good bullpen. I cant understand why people dont get or like this trade. Its exactly what the first place braves needed!

Gena

July 31st, 2010
9:58 pm

Jeff, I have a rather dumb question. Is there any reason for the movement of the cash in the two trades. Is this in the hopes of acquiring a player in the near future,

I agree with you, this is a great trade considering what we gave up. Just knowing Chavez won’t be in the bullpen any longer makes me cry.

joe

July 31st, 2010
10:02 pm

Jeff, why do you even bother writing sports columns – you are absolutely clueless. Once again, you write something to fill space. How do you figure that a trade that is mediocre at best is a signal that this team is serious about winning now? Allow me to answer – it doesn’t. If a team has the money and refuses to spend it and subsequently makes a purchase on the cheap, how does that equate to trying to win a championship?

thunderbull56

July 31st, 2010
10:04 pm

Jiffy,Jiffy,Jiffy, puuleeze follow the slime trail back to where your brain fell out and, well pick it up and play with it.Farnsworth, another former BRAVES’ CHOKER ! SEE, Braves Astros playgoof last.Chaves was inhaling a lot of southern wind,but I’d probably take over Kyleie pooo.Let me see if I get this right, The KC Royals,had talent that THE ATLANTA BRAVES coveted ? D#$@ what a coup.Un totally believable.Now, let me go see who blew an ear ligament in the Falcons camp.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
10:05 pm

RALPH WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD MANAGE THE TEAM PENDLTON? THE BRAVES ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE IN HITTING WITH HIM AS THIER COACH WHERE WOULD THEY BE WITH HIM AS MANGER YIKES!!!

While I also feel that there are more qualified candidates to manage the Braves than Terry Pendleton you probably should want to know that the Braves are currently not at the bottom of the league in hitting but are currently 5th in the league in batting average and are also currently 6th in the league in RBIs. Just FYI, that is nowhere close to the bottom of the league in hitting.

Mathman

July 31st, 2010
10:06 pm

The cash is to pay some of Farnsworth’s and Ankiel’s big salaries.

JOE

July 31st, 2010
10:07 pm

I love how everyone thinks that Gregor Blanco is an All Star Center Fielder. Dont get me wrong, i like Blanco and i think he did great for us this year, but wow. The Last two years, he was horrible, not good at all. And we saw first hand how he was when the pressure was on. (Hitting .251 over 144 games with a whoping 1 hr and 38 rbis in 2008) Give me a break!! I’ll take my chances on a guy who hit 25 hrs in that same year.

Peter

July 31st, 2010
10:07 pm

Folks this WAS a trade on the cheap…… Serious about winning ???????

NOOOOOOOoooooooo

Bill D.

July 31st, 2010
10:08 pm

How in the heck can we expect the Braves to continue to win when the No. 5 hitter has not gotten the ball out of the infield in his last 10 times at bat(at least) . Continuing to play Glaus is absurd. Will one of you beat writers please ask Cox why he still does this

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
10:10 pm

I’m sorry but anyone who thinks that someone named Hayward is the Braves starting RF has immediately lost any credibility they may have had in their comments.

Dave

July 31st, 2010
10:12 pm

The Braves have been playing over their heads all year. They have mediocre talent. They traded for more mediocrity. Since their glory days, they have gotten what they’ve paid for.

stachemoney22

July 31st, 2010
10:14 pm

Good article on Farnsworth outside of the game and in the clubhouse….

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_4_67/ai_n25379616/

cattle dawg

July 31st, 2010
10:19 pm

The Braves tried to sign me a few weeks back while I was at the game.. It seems a scout saw me hit 65 mph on the radar at baseball pitching cage.. Nothing like getting hammered and throwing your arm out.

Craig

July 31st, 2010
10:20 pm

Who is this guy we got from the Tigers for cash and a player to be named later?

JOE

July 31st, 2010
10:21 pm

quick facts:

Production from Our Center Field position this year: 102 Games, .229 BA .324 OBP .325 SLG 3 HR
Production from Rick Ankiel this year: 27 Games, .261 BA .317 OBP .467 SLG 4 HR

We’ve gotten 28 Rbi’s from our Center Field position this year in 102 games. Rick ankiel has 15 RBI’s in 27 games! Come on!? Why is there even a discussion?!

Notso Fast

July 31st, 2010
10:21 pm

WE got two player that might help for three that would not help at least this year. WE now need to rest Glaus for several days until his legs , knees or whatever is hurting can recover. He is of no value like he is.

Mathman

July 31st, 2010
10:22 pm

Ryan Zimmerman’s walk off 3 Run HR leaves the Braves with a 3 1/2 game lead.

Craig

July 31st, 2010
10:24 pm

Glad no one snagged Zimmerman today. We needed his bat against Philly.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
10:27 pm

Where are all of those Phillies fans talking smack now? :P

Plate Appearance

July 31st, 2010
10:28 pm

SOMETHING TRULY PRODUCTIVE

Had Wren wanted to make a move that would have be truly productive for the Braves OF, he should have traded for Ryan Ludwick, who currently has an OPS better than A-Rod, for RF and shifted Heywood to CF.

I was stunned to see that Ludwick was available! What a steal for the Padres!

Largo

July 31st, 2010
10:33 pm

I guess I was dreamin’.about Farnsworth giving up those home runs when he was here before, Jeff. Maybe I’m also dreamin’ when I say this is the only year he’s had an ERA in the twos. Maybe also about his career ERA being over four. I just know I looked forward to him being here before, but it wasn’t long until I wanted him gone.

Bob Horner had a big fro

July 31st, 2010
10:44 pm

Jeff, solid take on the trade. Too bad all the greatest GMs in the world are too busying blogging on your article and not working in MLB. Anyway, this is a step forward. I think you are on to something when hinting that a future trade for a 1B player might be in order, but until then, we really need for Chipper and/or Glaus to get hot.

PhillyJim

July 31st, 2010
10:45 pm

@AntiMe I’m a Phillies fan. i haven’t been talking smack.Let’s agree there are idiot smack-talkers
for all teams , all sports. Am i glad we picked up Oswalt? Of course, who wouldn’t? But I’ve been saying for awhile we need a closer. Lidge was “lights out” in ‘08. He was hurt for several stretches but, I just don’t think he has “it” anymore. IMO the Braves made as good of a trade today that Wren could make with his bosses being Liberty Media. I’ve lived in Atl. for 20+ years and you guys deserve
better then them. Let’s all just enjoy the next 2 months of baseball. Remember, there are much more important things to worry about. Anybody but the MUTTS!

Mike Honcho

July 31st, 2010
10:45 pm

Hey Jeff,

Since we all kinda figure Chipper is gonna retire after this season. Why do you think the front office didn’t make a trade for an up-and-coming third baseman? I’m pretty sure we don’t have a 3B in the minors that’s tearing it up so if Chipper does hang it up it will definitely leave a hole there next year. I totally understand making a move for this year and I’m all for that but still, its never too early to look that far ahead.

Grandpa Right, formerly of Cochran

July 31st, 2010
10:55 pm

Good grief, no wonder Atlanta is thought of as a town full of pathetic sports fans. The Braves are in 1st place, we upgrade our bullpen significantly and we upgrade CF (we had Cabrera, Blanco and McLouth, for goodness sake, not Willie Mays), and 99% of these posts are whines from a bunch of crybabies.

Frank Wren has to play with the cards he’s been dealt. With a limited budget and the three inherited mistakes (Lowe, KK and McLouth) I can’t imagine how he could have done any better.

If 1st place and 2 slight upgrades doesn’t please you people, just acknowledge that you can’t support a mid-level budgeted team and GO AWAY.

Grow up, kids!!

ben

July 31st, 2010
10:55 pm

We made a bad trade with the Escobar-Gonzalez deal. Even without looking at individual statistics, the Blue Jays and the Braves are going in opposite directions.
This trade was about stopping the bleeding. Blanco was one of the few highlights we had when he was called up. Now the Braves ship him out and we get a player who was injured most of the year and a pitcher who is known to be unable to pitch in big games. This really didn’t make us much better.
Wasn’t our bullpen our strong suit?

savannahdawg

July 31st, 2010
10:55 pm

Freeman is hitting .295 with 14 hr and 63 rbi. It’s time to bring him up for the pennant run. Glaus could use some rest here and there. There has got to be a way to give Freeman quality at bats.

Gene

July 31st, 2010
10:56 pm

I saw the Braves in Cinci today. The 7th inning was pure T ball. They may stumble into the post season, but the Yankees or White Sox will eat them up, if they somehow get there. Glaus is a black hole. Freeman is batting ;296 with 14 homers, and he can run.

Mathman

July 31st, 2010
10:57 pm

Honcho, they did make a deal for a 3B/OF. Wilkin Ramirez, #8 prospect on Detroit , started his career as a 3B, and now plays LF as well. We got Ramirez for a player to be named later or cash. Has a lot of power potential. Has already hit 1 HR in the majors and had 4 hits in 11 AB in the majors.

sid's bream

July 31st, 2010
10:58 pm

so jeff, I can see where you’re coming from if you mean that FW is trying to send the message that he is committed because he is doing whatever he can to make the club better; even FDR tried several things that did’t work to get us out of the recession, but people loved him because unlike Hoover, he was doing something. However, the nation didn’t have an owner like the braves do that sets the payroll. They would be the ones who send a message or not, and having a payroll $57.5 million lower than the phillies and $48 million less than the mets is not sending a message of wanting to win. If they wanted to send Bobby out in style or show us fans that they want to win, they would have picked up a REAL outfielder over the winter even if it boosted the payroll by $10 million instead of relying on a McClouth who wasn’t good last year or in spring training either.
FW may want to win, but he’s handcuffed by those that send a very clear message, and it isn’t that they want to win. Except for the occasional fluke, every year the majority of the teams to beat are those that spend the money to get there. Phillies, Yankees, Rangers, they sent messages and picked up some salary in the process. we shifted some players, improving our great bullpen even more, but time will tell if Ankiel is better than Blanco. Gonzalez certainly doesn’t seem better than Escobar.

Ray Parker Jr.

July 31st, 2010
10:59 pm

So all this praying for unicorns I have been doing is a waste of time?

DangerousDan885

July 31st, 2010
11:00 pm

I’m sick of all of these poser Braves fans — go back to New York or Chicago or where ever the hell you came from,

robdawg08

July 31st, 2010
11:00 pm

Maybe just maybe they will play Hinske at 1B now. I like the Braves chances with Ankiel in CF and Hinske at 1st. This will eliminate all the achilles heels (McLouth,Chavez,Glaus).

steve

July 31st, 2010
11:00 pm

Jeff, Different guy same obvious question. Is not 6 quality innings all you want or need from a starter in modern day baseball? Bobby is still back in 1991-1995 with his strategy. It is basically what the Yankees have done successfully for years. First sign of trouble 6+ the Yankees starter is outta there, not 5 hits later.

Braves20

July 31st, 2010
11:01 pm

All in all, a positive trade for the Braves although a right handed bat would have been more help. Farnsworth was lights out down the stretch in his first stint with the Braves saving, I believe, 10 for 10. He certainly will be better than Chavez in the 6th or 7th or in extra innings.The final verdict on this trade hinges on whether we were seeing a career month from Blanco. There are baseball people who believe that to be true.

MichaelATL

July 31st, 2010
11:01 pm

I’m sorry, but if we were going to deal with Kansas City then the player we needed most went to the Dodgers. As much as I want this year to be the year, Ankiel is just not the answer. Blanco would have been just as good (if not better) in CF. The gaping hole we have is still at first base. Unless Glaus has a replay of his fluke month, this deal isn’t going to get it done.

Ray Parker Jr.

July 31st, 2010
11:02 pm

savannahdawg – Freeman won’t come up until Bobby is gone. Too young and Bobby doesn’t know how to manage young players. Heyward made the team to sell tickets. I’m sure Cox thought he needed another year of Triple-A.

Chip Shot

July 31st, 2010
11:03 pm

Coach (2011 or Bust)

July 31st, 2010
11:05 pm

Hey, I like Ankiel as an athlete, I really do. But Schultz, who the F*** are you kidding here?

Prado just went down and Scott Podsednik was there for the taking a week ago. Frank Wren dropped the ball and failed to be proactive in meeting the needs of this team before hand.

The Braves offense cannot survive the loss of Prado coupled with the massive slump that Troy Glaus is currently in. As Prado and Glaus go, so go the Braves. One is injured, the other is missing in action.

I know Infante is a great back up, but he’s just that… a back up being pressed into everyday duty. Farnsworth is a solid addition and I applaud the effort by Frank Wren, but it’s a little late to be putting the proverbial band aid on a gaping wound.

sid's bream

July 31st, 2010
11:07 pm

@dan885
are you saying that a “real braves fan” wouldn’t care about what the owners/ management did, or that they would just always agree with whatever they did?

What do you think this thing is for? so everyone can spend their saturday nights saying how we all agree about everything?

robdawg08

July 31st, 2010
11:07 pm

So Jeff, can you ask Bobby if he plans to play Glaus everyday when he continues to go 0-4 ? Does Glaus have naked photos of Bobby or something ?

braves70

July 31st, 2010
11:18 pm

Frank Wren did not inherit the mistakes of McLouth,Lowe, and KK. Frankie boy made those all by himself. No one else to blame for that.

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
11:19 pm

Hey, PhillyJim, I realize that most Phillies fans are just good fans that root for their team and, like yourself, conduct themselves with class.

Unfortunately, this past week I have seen more than a couple who, no doubt were carried away by the impressive hot streak lately, and were really arrogant and obnoxious. That’s life in the blogworld, I realize that.

That’s where I was coming from, however, absolutely no offense intended to the rest of you good Phillies baseball fans.

Alpha9

July 31st, 2010
11:21 pm

has anybody ever considered some of the additions Frank Wren made he wouldn’t have had too.Had John Shuerholz not sold the farm for Texiara….I’m sure Salty at first base right now would please Braves fans along with Andrus at short and Feliz as a starter,,Wren has made some bad moves but they pale in comparison to Big John raping the Farm

TheAntiMe

July 31st, 2010
11:24 pm

How will we ever get by without Gregor Blanco? He was carrying this team.

Alpha9

July 31st, 2010
11:24 pm

Also if i recall correctly the 2 big names were Lowe and Aj Burnett..Lowe looks like Cy Young compared to Burnett…Also went hard after Furcal he used us..Tried to get Jake Peavy but wouldn’t give up Hanson..Hanson is still pitching this year Peavy isn’t….Does any actual think about what they say before they post

PhillyJim

July 31st, 2010
11:26 pm

Right back at you AntiMe ! Everyone have a great night ! Remember to tell your kids and family you love them EVERY DAY! A couple of funerals in as many weeks will remind us all of this! GOD BLESS Y’ALL !

savannahdawg

July 31st, 2010
11:28 pm

Our trade was better than the Phillies. Oswalt is done, is best years behind him. Philli has the offense and we have the pitching. I’m not going to knock Wren’s trade. We didn’t get the true power guy we might have needed. But we did improve some. Hopefully, “TP” can do something positive with Ankiel. I still think it’s time to get Freeman up and find a way to use him enough to give him quality at bats. Keeping him at triple “A” any longer is stupid. We need another bat with some pop and Freeman has it.

robdawg08

July 31st, 2010
11:29 pm

Can the Braves trade Bobby Cox for Tony LaRussa ? By the way, why do managers wear uniforms ? They don’t play. Basketball,Football,Hockey head coaches don’t wear uniforms.

Philco

July 31st, 2010
11:46 pm

Alpha9, I could not agree with you more!!!! The Texiara trade set the organization back 5 years!!! Cox hopefully will realize Chipper is NOT a 3 hole hitter anymore, I don’t care what he has done in the past!! I’m not a fan of Diaz, but he needs to play everyday with his hot bat, and like others have said, Hinske can then play more at 1st.

chris

July 31st, 2010
11:51 pm

Come on Jeff……..Granted I am not sad to see Chavez go but saying Ankiel makes this team better is a stretch. You are basing it on 2008 numbers because the guy has been hurt almost all year. Wren has built the hopes of this team on guys being able to come back from injuries. Hudson has done it….Glaus did it for a month and a half. Now your hoping Ankiel can go the rest of the way injury free and hit like he did almost 2 years ago.
I almost feel like Wren made this move because the Phillies and Padres made moves and he felt like he couldn’t be the GM that stood pat. This trade is just Wren hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

TNBravesFan

July 31st, 2010
11:51 pm

Decent trade. Some idiot asked why we didn’t trade McClouth instead of Blanco: Have you ever heard of Mike Hampton? You’d have to pay a team (even KC) to take a Multi-Million dollar concussion case off your hands.

Blanco was fast, and the type of guy you like to have at backup CF. Good fielding, but pitiful at the plate. Sub-400 slugging. Ankiel, by contrast, has a lower OBP, but decent slugging. About even on OPS. You’ve traded a great fielding plate liability for a decent hitting defensive liability. At least we’ll have an all-liability CF with Milkman and McClouth, now.

Gonzalez trade: Picked up a steady producer for a mercurial phenom. No Jeter-esque plays from the hole, no routine force-outs winged into the 4th row, either.

Ankiel trade: Picked up a potential producer for a good fielder. Jury is still out.

I am in the “who did you expect” crowd. The CF market is dreadful this year. Not sure what losing Blanco will do for team chemistry (always thought Yunel was a drag), but we shall see. Just don’t see how the sky could be falling, not yet anyway.

Bravesfan54

July 31st, 2010
11:58 pm

Nothing in this trade suggests any “game changing” of the Braves’ current position. Happy they got of Chavez, sorry to lose Blanco (really sorry!). Farnsworth has the potential to be a dsclubhouse downer- i.e. , to Braves’ baseball what Gordon Liddy was to the Nixon White House. That’s harsh, but true. Ankiel adds nothing of significance, period.

This was a move simply to say “we made a move”. I really, really, hate the expression: it (the team) is what it is”. In this case it is true. We changed the chemistry for the worse (Farnsworth – and I will never forget his two grandslams!), and received – what? Rick Ankiel- oh, he, of the game-changing dynamic of a Fred McGriiff? (No, say!).

Change for the sake of change? Ok – at that level I can understand it, but this is a sophisticated fanbase, and you can’t sell this.

Bravesfan54

August 1st, 2010
12:03 am

Jeff – please share with me whatever you’ve been smoking! Your take was pure, unadulterateld drivel!

Born2Buzz

August 1st, 2010
12:04 am

The trade is OK. I see Ankiel as a little better 4th outfielder and we needed another arm for the pen.
Now the real message should be having Glaus finally get sent down or dropped and Freddie Freeman brought up. Glaus has been just as bad as McClouth was. I know he gave us a great May and carried the team but right now he is huge hole in the lineup that is killing the team.

Robert Dean

August 1st, 2010
12:04 am

As a season ticket holder and a life long Braves fan, I must say I like Frank Wren making a move that will give us a chance at winning the division. Farnsworth will have an immediate impact. He will be a great set up guy. With Venters and Moylan and Wagner closing I feel great about are chances as long as we are winning after 6. I really wish we could of kept Blanco and got rid of Mcclouth or Schaeffer but the Royals are not totally dum. Ankiel is a possibly awesome pick up and evenif he doesn’t start hitting bombs like 2008, he will play a good center and drive in some runs. Ankiel is just getting healthy. Thanks Mr. Wren for giving us a shot. Now lets all boo Glaus again so he will start hitting. Go Braves

keith

August 1st, 2010
12:15 am

Honestly, this trade wasn’t a bad deal at all. I think we all agree that Blanco was a fan favorite for the sparkplug he provided the offense for a few weeks there when we were hot. I can understand that…however, we needed some extra pop.

Ankiel is definitely a risk as he hasn’t done well this year, even though he has been out almost 3 mos for an injury. Since he’s been back from the injury, he’s hit for 1 HR and 6 RBI in 8 games. Pretty good production. THat’s what their hoping for. The 2008 year of 25 homers. I figure that our pitching/bullpen just dramatically improved by dropping Chavez and picking up Farnsworth….and the upside of Ank is better than the upside of Blanco….

Overall, I give the trade a grade of B. :)

Oh, and we were still able to keep our A prospects in Minor/Teheran.

keith

August 1st, 2010
12:19 am

*they’re instead of their ;)

TheAntiMe

August 1st, 2010
12:20 am

Rick Ankiel- oh, he, of the game-changing dynamic of a Fred McGriiff? (No, say!).

I hate to break this to you but there were no Fred McGriff type players out there this year at the deadline. The only player that was even close to being in Fred McGriff territory is Adam Dunn and you see that he did not go anywhere.

You can’t just wish for great players to magically appear out of thin air. Well, you can but that usually only happens in video game baseball, where you can trade your worst players for the best players in the game. It just don’t happen that way in the real world.

Carl Jung

August 1st, 2010
12:31 am

Level: How about as hard to find as Amelia Earhardt

Sonny Clusters

August 1st, 2010
12:37 am

We was wondering how the trade deadline would play out. We guess the deadline is what its name means, the dead weight players get thrown over the line to a new team. We was impressed Wren could throw that dead weight Chavez over the line to a new team.

Dem Clusters

August 1st, 2010
1:12 am

be dern funny

sid's bream

August 1st, 2010
1:13 am

the thing i like best about this trade deadline is that we didn’t sell a large part of our future for a short term hope that may not pan out. We may not get much out of Ankiel, but we should out of Farnsworth and we didn’t lose much either way. As much as I want the braves to win this year, I couldn’t bear to watch another raping of the farm for a guy you know we won’t resign.
I think FW did what he could in his limitations but I certainly wouldn’t call this or the escobar/gonzalez trade a message of commitment to winning. The only message I got was if you’re going to have an attitude, you better hit .300. Perhaps a secondary message is that something is up with our team when Escobar can’t hit here, but leaves and rakes.
All in all, I’m hopeful of what Ankiel can do, but have low expectations.
Even if he does well though, we have too many other problems to stay in first. Chipper isn’t hitting and Bobby refuses to take him out of the 3 spot, Glaus is injured and horrible lately and he bats in the heart of the order, and nobody on this team seems to get a hit when men are on bases. This teams loads the bases with no outs or one out and then hits into a double play almost every night lately.

Roland's Office

August 1st, 2010
1:21 am

WREN OUTHUSTLED

“As for Ludwick, the Pads got him as part of a three-team deal that netted the Cards Jake Westbrook. Hard to believe the Braves couldn’t have satisfied the Indians’ demands for young talent. Ludwick can play CF, by the way. Either Liberty Media is cheaper than we thought, or Wren got outhustled by Jed Hoyer.”

Mitchell

August 1st, 2010
1:28 am

Kyle Farnsworth excelled as a closer for the Braves in 2005.

Except when it really mattered and on that one special occasion, he excelled at making Charlie Liebrandt seem like a Hall of Famer.

Rick Ankiel was on steroids in 2008. He was probably on steroids in 2000 when he threw nine hundred wild pitches in that playoff game and yet still managed to win.

Imagine that. Of all the years in the playoffs, the one time a guy tries to give it to us we couldn’t even take it.

God I’m gonna miss Bobby Cox.

Mike McDonald

August 1st, 2010
1:33 am

Fish stink from the head: McGuirk, Schoerholtz, Wren and Cox. Not a bona fide professional baseball player or executive among them.

Bush league media reporting, broadcasting and inane and insane, wise-ass blogs complete the ugly picture of Atlanta MLB.

2010 will be the end of a pitiful era of lost opportunities and downright boneheadedness.

Malone of Liberty is nobody’s fool. He’ll cut the crap at the head office and fire sale the personnel/staff that has no serious talent assets except for McCann, Prado, Infante and Hudson. All the rest are poseurs, eating up payroll and producing sub par results.

Look for a new breed of ownership once Malone’s IRS holding time requirements are met. In the interim. instead of supporting inflated, under-performing assets, epitomized by Larry Jones et al, Malone will milk (without Melky) the Braves and drive down the payroll and overhead to a de minimis position. Then he will sell the team and extract a king’s ransom for a valuable franchise without costly baggage, in a highly lucrative geographical market place.

Perhaps then, the new ownership will be able to rebuild the brand. But only after they fix the local media coverage in print and broadcast and foster a big league attitude in every facet of the team’s make-up and communications.

benchwarmer

August 1st, 2010
1:34 am

Bring up Freeman, Move Chipper down or up in the order. He is not a 3 hitter anymore.

A Real Fan

August 1st, 2010
1:37 am

This town doesn’t deserve a pro sports team with people like you smashing this deal. Its terrible to think that you even call yourselves a fan of a sport. No of our teams should win a championship for the simple reason that you people as ‘fans’ will get the pleasure of saying you rooted for them. If you dont like it, dont go to a game…wait, thats right you aren’t cause the Braves don’t have any revenue to go out and get someone that can do it all. If it doesn’t break the bank then you poop all over the idea. Face it, Escobar was a disease, Chavez couldn’t pitch, and Blanco didn’t have a spot to put him. I didn’t want to see Blanco go but he’s going to a place where he can play more. Its a two horse race in the East and we play the Phillies twice in the last two weeks of the season, and end the season with them…at home. You remember what this Braves team did last year in Mid-August and September? They went crazy to get back near the wild card. The Braves are the best home team in Baseball and we play 19 home games this month. So go to a game to help the Braves increase their revenue so they can get you a star player to make you fair-weather fans the happiest you can be.

Whats going to happen when the Falcons lose two games, everyone of you “fans” will be jumping ship calling the season over? Probably. Absolutely disgusting that you call yourselves fans.

READ THIS JEFF:

August 1st, 2010
1:46 am

What if Ankiel/Melky take right field and Diaz/Hinske take left while Heyward roams center? think of that anyone? (im not reading all those posts so i take credit for this idea.) that way we’re strong up the middle and platoon against rhp’s and lhp’s as necessary with our other four of’s. i think its brilliant what you think Atlanta? maybe that’s what Wrenn & Cox are up to with this one. We’ll see…

PHIL

August 1st, 2010
1:48 am

Why couldn’t we just trade the Collins kid and Chavez for Farnsworth? Why Blanco for this other guy? He’s nothing.

The only way it made any sense to make a trade was to get Bautista from the Jays and pay the, for him. Nothing else out there would have helped this team. It’s gonna be gut wrenching watching them fade. Rick who? Seriously Jeff you think him for Blanco sent a message to anyone?

Pacuvio

August 1st, 2010
1:55 am

Executive of the Year? With 48.2% of the payroll locked up on four players? Wren’s bad trades are a huge part of the problem.

J-Man

August 1st, 2010
3:10 am

Chipper’s contract was Schurholtz’s deal. But FW failed with Lowe, KK, and the trade for McClouth. Whats worse is the earlest they can come off the books is 2012 and Lowe 2013

J-Man

August 1st, 2010
3:11 am

I guess if you get the big contract you will take plays off and not give it your all

J-Man

August 1st, 2010
3:16 am

I kinda think KK might retire or go back to Japan next year and Chipper might retire and Wagner will retire (which I don’t want) if that happens the Braves will get around 29 million to work with but with Arbutrationt probably something like 22 mil. which I say sign Prado to a long term extension 5 yr. 45 mil and go after Carl Crawford 4 year 65 mil. There I go again similuating this stuff on my PS3

J-Hey

August 1st, 2010
5:17 am

“I can’t think of one brave fan that I have talked to that thought Lowe was an “ace” when he was signed”

wasn’t Lowe signed with big money because Wren kept failing with other moves he tried to make? So he slipped up and made a desperate move by signing Lowe to a large contract.

Ace wasn’t in mind, Wren didn’t want to look bad by losing out on another potential signee so he threw a ton of money in Lowe’s direction so that Lowe would have to take the deal.

keef

August 1st, 2010
5:23 am

$85 million payroll.
Thanks Liberty Media.
We’re only $120 million lower than Yankees.
Only $100 million from the Red Sox
This entire: Win one for The Gipper (Cox) is a sham. How can we even CONSIDER playing the Yankees who will be one of the W.S. teams…
Until we have a new individual as owner, this entire point is moot..
And rumor has it the payroll will be trimmed to $74 million next year…because Chipper will be off the books…

skip

August 1st, 2010
7:02 am

Ralph…you’re on point,son. I’ve been saying the same thing about Cox for a long time. Yesterday’s game was just another example of his bone-headed reluctance to pull his starters before the game is out of reach. Remember when he allowed Charlie Liebrandt to pitch to Kirby Puckett in the ‘91 Series? Did the same thing a couple of years later against Dave Winfield. The guy just nevers learns.

LJ

August 1st, 2010
7:25 am

I didn’t know Blanco had so many relatives.

bob

August 1st, 2010
7:37 am

When Prado is back from injury put him at first, sit Glaus down till his ankle heals, Play Infante at 2nd. Or Play Conrad at 2nd and move Prado to first. Need to set Glaus down for a few games either way

Chris from the Rock

August 1st, 2010
7:49 am

Count me in the minority who really likes this trade. We gave up very little. Everyone forgets 2008 when Blanco’s slugging percentage was sub .300 in 450 ABs. He just got hot pre-demotion and wouldn’t have kept it up. Chavez stinks and Collins will be a decent loogy at best. Meanwhile Farnsworth and Ankiel help now. And oh yeah, KC is paying their salaries for the rest of the season. Edge, Braves. Well done, Wren.

Chris from the Rock

August 1st, 2010
7:51 am

For you guys complaining about the low payroll, go to the ballpark more often. Increased revenue means increased payroll.

scott simet

August 1st, 2010
7:58 am

This is a trade of some nonproductive players for some nonproductive players.
Don’t have to trade for Babe Ruth and Lou Brock every year, but would be nice to have a trade that benefits both teams. Not sure how this is supposed to convince us that the Braves management cares as much as we do.

clint

August 1st, 2010
8:01 am

I agree with virtually everyone but Schultz (who, along with DOB, is obviously sucking up to Braves’ mgmnt) that this trade sux. We give up one of the best pitching prospects in baseball for a guy with an attitude and an ego and another guy who would be a 4th CFer on most teams. We now have an OLD team.

I love the Braves, always have. But to suffer thru BS like this hurts at a time when we really had a shot to win a pennant.

jfreak13713

August 1st, 2010
8:02 am

IDIOTS! You complain when the Braves give up too much to get a star then complain when they give up nothing to get two solid players! This moves works for the Braves because they just didn’t need much.

BravesFan

August 1st, 2010
8:12 am

A Real Fan

August 1st, 2010
1:37 am

I’m a real fan, but this trade is stupid. You say the Braves went like crazy last year to get close to getting the wild card. Why? Because they mad a relevant trade and got a gamechanger in Adam Laroche. Tell me, how are these guys gamechangers? Phillies went out and got a gamechanger, the Padres did, the Yankees did. What did we do? Spend 450k to get some AAAA (yes i mean 4A) players. This is why liberty media needs to go. Mr. Blank doesn’t want the Braves?

BravesFan

August 1st, 2010
8:14 am

Go up and read that real fan says at 1:37, the post below that is mine.

Peter

August 1st, 2010
8:27 am

Jeff, what all sees today is a team that has just lost three straight series, and a team that cannot hit, it won’t matter who we get……… get if Chipper is a 250 hitter in the three hole.

The Braves are a second half team no longer…………. the second half is for young players, and players in shape……… The Braves are fading, and it speaks volume’s about the key players we have.

We have zero speed, cannot manufacture runs, and thus we wait for a home run to hopefully win. BAD BASEBALL, BORING BASEBALL……. the fan base will be frustrated yet again.

The Bobby Cox retirement party cannot come soon enough.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
8:34 am

If I were a professional athlete, I wouldn’t even get in the same area code as these bandwagon-jumping, nitwit fans of Atlanta’s. Most of these jackasses are upset that Glaus didn’t win the Player of the Month, EVERY MONTH! Shame on him! FYI, Glaus wasn’t signed to carry this team, he just happened to do it for a month and a half.

I know, let’s blame Wren. He shoulda known everybody but Prado would hit 20 to 80 points below their career averages with little or no power.

Just remember this, the players Wren brought in here are mostly the reason the Braves are clinging to first place, instead of fighting for last place, where his predecessor left us.

JS left the Braves with two good players, no pitchers and a stripped-down farm system. With a lot smaller budget than JS enjoyed under Turner, Wren has restocked the farm system, including beating the Yankees, Red Sox and everyone else to the then 18 year old shortstop (name escapes me) that scouts are calling the next A-Rod. Wren got Jurrjens. He’s built the best bullpen in MLB. He got 2 current (Melky and Dunn) and 1 future major leaguers (Vizcaino) for Vazquez. He made an excellent trade for McLouth. If Nate was playing now like he was in the two seasons before the trade, we’d be about 10 games ahead of the Phillies. Those two years, by the way, included 42 dingers, 164 RBI, and 41 stolen bases. Yeah, everybody but Wren knew the 27 year old was about to melt down.

Maybe, some of you unappreciative nutcases should just donate $120 million or so, and the Braves maybe could sign Tex, Dunn, Pujols, and everone else you desire. That’s how much smaller his payroll budget is than the Yankees. And New York has won what, 5 more games than the Braves this year? I, for one, think Wren is doing pretty good.

Fan since 1977

August 1st, 2010
8:35 am

Good article, Jeff, I agree with you completely. I was one of the villagers waiting to exile Chavez. Good addition by subtraction there. Farnsworth is the biggest pickup by far, especially with O’Flaherty still out with that virus and Saito and Wags occasionally showing their age. Can’t throw Venters every night. And glad to have him back, I was disappointed when he left us for the Yankees.

Don’t know how Ankiel will perform but if he’s penciled in every day in CF (provided he produces, I’ll take 10 HR’s and a .850 OPS the rest of the way), that allows Diaz and Melky to platoon in LF, and FINALLY, something I have been posting on DOB blogs now for a month, a PLATOON at first with Glaus and Hinske. Glaus isn’t a one month wonder — he’s just flat tired. A platoon there will increase the productivity at 1st, I guarantee it.

Best (or, I should say worst) part about your article was the painful “stat” at the end: Lowe, McLouth, KK and Chipper account for 48.2 % of this season’s payroll. Even these days most retirement accounts are getting better returns than that. Ouch.

I disagree with those who call this a bad trade. I agree it is not a blockbuster or a great trade, i.e., McGriff. Wren made it obvious in his quote we were going have to mortgage the farm for, e.g., a Corey Hart, and we’re not doing that again (see, Texeira). We were not going to get a bopper, period. It helps the club more than it hurts. I don’t know about the “ego” noted above re: Farnsworth but Wags and Moylan won’t let him destroy the chemistry in the pen. Moylan would whip his ass.

I agree Blanco had a nice stint with us this year but we really did not give up much. For all his speed he was not a good baserunner, and Ankiel is just as good defensively.

And BTW J-Man, Chipper’s CURRENT deal is year two of a 4 year extension given to him by WREN after he won the batting title in ‘08 (but yes, correct, he was already under contract when that was done).

And Wren is responsible for KK, Lowe and McLouth. And we gave up LaRoche for McLouth. Then got LaRoche back. Then did not resign him because Wren thought he wanted a multi-year deal. LaRoche said he never said that and took a one yr deal w/Arizona. LaRoche is a great 2nd half player and was a great clubhouse guy. Wren is slowly redeeming himself with the last 2 deals but has a long way to go in my eyes. 48.2 % of useless payroll (cause Chipper is now a part-time singles hitter) and taking a flyer on Glaus is mighty expensive on the job training. Thought Schuerholz would have trained him better, but I guess Jon can’t pass on his genius and relationship with the other honchos in MLB.

Fan since 1977

August 1st, 2010
8:44 am

Clay, if the SS you are referring to is Salcedo, I saw him in person in Rome (Class A) last month. Kid hasn’t shown he can hit yet. He’s big (6′3″) for a SS and runs like a deer, but his stick has not impressed me yet. Not for a $1.6 million signing bonus.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
8:46 am

Roland’s Office: “WREN OUTHUSTLED”
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Why is it necessarily a bad thing that Wren didn’t “satisfy the Indians demands for young talent”?

keith

August 1st, 2010
8:51 am

RE: A Real Fan and a Fan since 1977.

Both of you made great points. :)

Go support your team and cheer them on instead of complaining!! No, this wasn’t a blockbuster trade, but I think it was worth the risk with Ankiel provided that he provides half of his potential upside.

Matt the Brave

August 1st, 2010
8:55 am

Jeez people, stop acting like you must play video games. No team in their right mind would want to take McClouth, Lowe, Kawakami off of our hands right now. It’s a bad investment, and maybe they’ll show up in August and September.

Oh, and for the people who are just regurgitating the facts from the article, go and do some real research, form an opinion, and then post.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Yeah, Salcedo. I guess a 19 or 20 year old who is ready for the majors comes along only every 10 or 15 years (A-Rod, Heyward).

Clay

August 1st, 2010
9:00 am

Braves traded LaRoche to the Pirates for Mike Gonzales.

GT

August 1st, 2010
9:07 am

Baseball is the perfect sport for the modern press. It is like the weather, give it a few minutes and it will change so no matter what is written it will in some frame of time be true. The Braves are on a prolonged road trip. They have one bad road trip every few months. This one is mild compared to the early season one out west. They will have almost all August at home. Division Champions job well done. We are lucky to have one team that has a front office that has held serve for two decades.

Yurtle_the_turtle

August 1st, 2010
9:12 am

Jeff… give those of us who are “ant-trade” a little credit here. It’s not that we’re “unrealistic” as you say. We were not looking at a $10.M trade that gives us Matt Kemp or something, but your excitement over this trade and exclaimation that this trade somehow “sends a message” is pretty lame, don’t you think? Come on now, I guess you had to write SOMETHING, but geez, you need to get a dose of reality to slap you if you think this trade a) helps the Braves b) “sends a message”. I don’t believe the Yankees or Phillies are concerned that Ankiel is now a Brave. You seem to believe that.

Idot

August 1st, 2010
9:13 am

Shultz….I hate to say it, but your blog sure does attract a huge contingent of dumb@sses.

DTK

August 1st, 2010
9:18 am

Check out Kansas City writers review of the trade.

http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/2398

Yurtle_the_turtle

August 1st, 2010
9:19 am

Christ from the Rock..screw you butt-wipe. Braves have one of the best attendance in the league and they don’t spend. You get your little posse to the stadium. How many freaking season tickets do you own? I’ll not support this team with more tickets until I see them actually trying to win and not with lame-ass trades like this one. Glaus was had on the cheap, no significant FAs in the last 3 years, no upgrades at the trading deadline. When Liberty starts showing me they care, I’ll go back. Until then, you suck-up idiotic “fans” can keep going back to the staduim and spending your $100.00 a night.

Nativebird

August 1st, 2010
9:20 am

“Troy Glaus looking more and more like a one-month wonder”. spot on. once more I’ll say it again, until the Braves get a big time RH hitting RBI producer at first base to anker this lineup…ala the Big Cat (last year that Braves really threatened at the W.S.), this lineup will not deliver championships…no matter the pitching.
first Base has ALWAYS been the key.

Marvin Mangrum

August 1st, 2010
9:21 am

Gregor Blanco was the only player in the trade, now he will become a star. He said, if I have to bunt to get on I will. When he said that he was done. I konow he was hitting 355, but he was bunting to get hits. And that is no good!

nobody

August 1st, 2010
9:24 am

Why are people complaining? Before this season none of you thought anything of Blanco. He gets on base and is fast, but he was expendable. He really wasnt that good. We basically dealt Blanco for Ankiel, Farnsworth, and no more Chavez. Im d@mn happy about that.

dub366

August 1st, 2010
9:25 am

Bobby Cox or Frank Wren one has a problem with dark skin ball players.

nobody

August 1st, 2010
9:28 am

I was very suprised to see Adam Dunn stay put.

MitchC

August 1st, 2010
9:28 am

I dont know how this deal will work out, but I have to give Frank credit for trying. At least he’s not standing pat.

Mclouth mght have been one of the worst players ever to wear a Braves uniform. Anyone has to be better than him. Farnsworth still has a good arm. On nights that Billy Wagner might need a rest, I’d feel more comfortable with Farnsworth closing a game than Saito.

I’m still very apprehensive about the Phillies. There’s two months to go in the season. Hopefully, the Braves can hang on and win the division, but I have a strong feeling that, at the very least, Philly will make a strong run.

Fan since 1977

August 1st, 2010
9:37 am

Clay – I stand corrected, it was Gonzales we got for LaRoche. You are correct.

But still, look how that deal turned out. Net gain = zero.

dub366 that was an ignorant and racist comment.

DP

August 1st, 2010
9:40 am

Looks like the guy got in the article below got it right about a week ago, the Royals brought Ankiel up from the minors to showcase him for a trade.

I think it’s quite a stretch to point at this trade as some kind of major signal that the Braves are willing to ante up to try to win the division. This trade looks to be pretty minor to me. There’s a center fielder who can’t play on each side and a last guy in the bullpen thrown in by the Braves. It looks to me like the meat of this trade is a young reliever with some promise traded for a 34 year old rental relief pitcher who can help down the stretch. I suspect the Braves wanted Farnsworth and the Royals made them take Ankiel as part of the trade. With McLouth, that gives the Braves two left handed hitting whiff machines who can’t play center field.

I can’t imagine that the Braves would want to have both Ankiel and McLouth active on the 25 man roster at the same time since they’re basically the same player. Maybe this trade means McLouth is going to spend the rest of the season in the minors or even be released.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/4441/ankiel-returns-for-no-apparent-reason

“Craig Calcaterra on a (typically) puzzling move by the Royals:

The Royals are about to call up Rick Ankiel from Omaha, where he has put up a batting line of .270/.281/.556 in 63 at bats while rehabbing. Meanwhile, Alex Gordon is batting .315/.442/.577 in 260 at bats since being sent down, presumably to learn left field.

Query: given Ankiel’s injury history and his own defensive limitations, why on Earth isn’t Alex Gordon getting the shot in Kansas City’s outfield instead of Ankiel?

The only reason I can possibly think of is that the Royals think they can trade Ankiel and want to showcase him for a bit, but that’s a bit delusional, ain’t it? Guy hasn’t played in the majors for nearly three months.

Delusional? Yeah, probably. Because he hasn’t played in a while, but also because, you know, he’s not real good. In his last 141 major league games, Ankiel’s got a .228/.283/.392 line. Oh, and he’s not exactly a Gold Glover in center field. (Actually, if you believe the Ultimate Zone Ratings he’s downright terrible out there.)

Ankiel probably takes over in center field from Mitch Maier, who’s just as good as Ankiel but suffers from a significantly smaller salary.”

Fan since 1977

August 1st, 2010
9:48 am

@ Matt the Brave –

If I appeared to be regurgitating Schultz’s article it was not my intention, but I had no idea those 4 players ate up half our corporate ownership imposed limited payroll. That was an eye opener. And my opinion is Wren has screwed up so bad I am glad his last 2 deals have helped this club.

And you are right no one is going to take on those hefty contracts, so why don’t we designate KK for assignment and see if he’ll agree to go to Gwinnett, cause he needs work and is just collecting dust right now. McLouth accepted it — who says KK won’t? If he gets in a good rhythm down there and dominates he might help the 40 man roster in September. Just like if McLouth starts hitting .500 down there (but I ain’t holding my breath on that one).

If he doesn’t accept and we have to give him his unconditional release and eat the $$, well, lesson learned and sayonara. Maybe we can negotiate a buy-out.

Ted M

August 1st, 2010
9:55 am

Ankiel is hitting over .300 against righties. His defense is great. He’ll help us a lot.

Jeff – So where is Ankiel going to hit in the batting order?

nobody

August 1st, 2010
9:56 am

Well said Fansince1977. KK needs work and he isnt going to get it here. Send him down our way

steve

August 1st, 2010
10:01 am

This trade is good because it is an upgrade, our problems stem from having the least productive hitters in the 3 hole (chipper) and the 4 or 5 hole whichever Glaus is in, unless those 2 start contributing more we are in trouble because Prado, Infante, Heyward and McCann cannot be the only run producers on this team. The starting pitching has been great and if we had any clutch hitting with the bases loaded we would have won 3 more games on this road trip.

Marty

August 1st, 2010
10:03 am

It has been a long time since I have seen a blog this filled with idiocy. Oh, wait — it was yesterday afternoon leading up to the trade deadline.

Folks, we just traded an awful reliever with great stuff, a low-grade pitching “prospect,” and a 26-year old fringe major-league outfielder (Blanco hit .228/.326/.279 in a full season at AAA last year) for a reliever with a 2.42 ERA in 44 2/3 innings this season and a guy who can play CF and has massive power. Basically, we just gave up junk for a solid bullpen arm and a guy who COULD be an upgrade in center. If it works, great; if not, they’ll both be gone at the end of the season, and we’ll have given up little to nothing for the pleasure.

Now, let’s back up and talk about how awful Wren’s trade/acquisition history has been. Seriously, let’s do that, since you all seem to have a very selective memory. Here are a few you missed:

1. 10/29/07 – Braves trade Edgar Renteria (and his large salary) to Detroit for Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez. Renteria had one year left on his contract at the time, and in case you were wondering, his OPS has been .699, .635, and .709 in the three seasons since the trade.

2. 12/4/07 – Braves trade Jose Ascanio to the Cubs for Will Ohman and Omar Infante. I will not re-state what Omar has done for us, since I would hope you at least remember that, but Ascanio pitched a grand total of 22 innings (poorly) over parts of two seasons for the Cubs before being unloaded on the Pirates. Ascanio has not pitched in the majors since sometime in 2009 and is currently on the 60-day DL having undergone right shoulder surgery.

3. 11/20/08 – Claimed Eric O’Flaherty off waivers from the Mariners. This looked like a non-factor at the time, but Eric has posted ERAs of 3.04 and 2.30 in 119 games since we picked him up. Yeah, I’ll take that.

4. Just this past offseason, Wren re-signed Hudson for 3 years, $27 million with a club option of $9 million for 2013. Yeah, that looks awful now.

5. Is anyone complaining about the signing of Billy Wagner right now?

6. How about Eric Hinske? Yeah, that has worked out ok for us as well.

That’s just what I could come up with in about 5 minutes without looking at anything. Come on guys, get a clue.

nobody

August 1st, 2010
10:08 am

Ive always remembered Ankiel to be a decent fielder. Am I crazy? and Mclouth was an ok defender. That was not the problem. He got to a lot of balls no one else would have been able to. He never threw, which Ankiel, being a former pitcher, should be able to scare some runners.

Brave Dawg

August 1st, 2010
10:10 am

This defines the term trade. It’s a swap. I swap you three that I don’t want for two that you don’t want and are willing to throw in a little cash to get someone to take. Good trade or bad doesn’t matter. Doing something by the deadline is what’s important. Makes us both look like we are active and neither of us can afford the better players. Neither of us wins the trade but we don’t lose it either, it’s just a swap.

nobody

August 1st, 2010
10:17 am

I like todays lineup. I would have switched Conrad and Infante, but overall it is pretty solid. I would not mind to see Conrad start taking more starts at 3rd base to keep Chipper freshish

J-Smoove

August 1st, 2010
10:23 am

Ankiel is a better pitcher than Chavez…. I’m so glad we finally got rid of that bum. It didn’t even matter who we got for Jo Jo Reyes and Jesse Chavez, as long as we got rid of them! GO BRAVOS!!!!

Farnsy

August 1st, 2010
10:28 am

Just wait til I throw at you, Princess Fielder. I dare you to charge the mound!

BigCaliDawg

August 1st, 2010
10:29 am

Have y’all paid any attention to the fact that Wagner’s blowin’ saves lately?

Farnsworth was important. We just might end up using him as our closer.

As far as CF goes, it’s like the Bermuda Triangle. Prospects go in there and washed-up has beens come out the other side…………..

Ted M

August 1st, 2010
10:39 am

nobody what is today’s lineup? Where do you find it?

[...] Farnsworth are the type of deal the Braves needed to send a right message to their fans, writes Jeff Schultz of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Neither player has to be a centerpiece, but will perform well in their complimentary [...]

ET

August 1st, 2010
10:42 am

OMG…Reading through this thread one would think that the Braves are in last place and have nobody on the club that can hit. I do have a problem with the Texeria trade several years ago, but that wasn’t Wren. Sure, Kelly Johnson is doing well in Arizona, & Escobar seems to have gotten the message that you have to play all the time, but hey, the Braves are 3 games up in the standings. We are not in last place.

The same guys who were saying in spring training that the Braves were a last place team are still preaching that garbage. Wake up fools, we are in first place in the NL east. I guess you guys don’t let the facts get in the way of your hatred of Wren and the Braves owners… And you call yourselves fans…BS.

Idot

August 1st, 2010
10:42 am

Enter your comments here

Reece 12

August 1st, 2010
10:46 am

Ankiel is good, when he’s healthy. Very strong arm; very good going to the ball. He can hit for power and average – in 2008 he had 25 home runs and was hitting 290 when he was developed a sports hernia in July – out for the rest of the season. In May of 2009 he took a header into the center field wall at Busch – out another 45 days – never really regained his timing – platooned with Rasmus – then when the Cardinals got Holiday – he was basically a bench player for the remainder of the year.. 2010 with the Royals, injury again. If he stays healthy, Braves fans will be pleasantly surprised.

Ankiel will hustle . . . on every play, both offensively an defensively.

stew

August 1st, 2010
10:47 am

We still need a righty bat. If we face a lefty, we’re in deep trouble. Time to bring up Freddie. Anyone remember Glaus’ problem in April was a timing issue. I always thought Melky was a decent outfielder. He’s too slow. We traded away the only centerfielder that played decently (Blanco) this season. I wonder if they play Ankiel will they sit Melky? I think we lost out on the recent Wren deals. Vasquez for Melky/ Yunel for Gonzo/ Blanco for Ankiel just don’t make it. Why do we need Farnsworth making 5 mill a year. I thought we had the best bullpen in baseball.

stew

August 1st, 2010
10:52 am

Andruw’s last year with Braves 26 hrs/94 rbis/ .221 avg and everyone wantedto get rid of him. Melky’s first year with Braves 3 hrs/29 rbis/.260 avg and everybody loves him. Who do you think is the better defender?

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:22 am

Hmm, a mostly garbage hard throwing Right handed pitcher… and a converted pitcher who is now an out fielder who had one good season.

No I don’t mind that Chavez and Collins are gone… that’s a lot of hope to put on Ankiel to do something in CF. They needed a bat. They got ANOTHER PROJECT and or bucket of hope and dreams.

Farnsworth might as well be a warm body, but he’s got to be better than Chavez.

Ankiel… I have no idea. I hope he can hit 10 homers or so and have a respectable BA.. that should help… drive in a few runs maybe. As I see it they gave up virtually nothing and they got back… virtually nothing.

TennesseePaul

August 1st, 2010
11:23 am

Nate McLouth (three years, $15.75 million).

But for Braves payroll purposes this is only $5.25M a year…

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:25 am

They did make a trade though. So there’s something. Here’s hoping the move recharges Ankiel and Farnsworth can be a good warm body in the dugout.

With Prado hurt… we’re going to need all the hope we can get at the plate. Really and truthfully the only guy up with RISP close and late that you really feel great about is Heyward. Mac is next and that’s about it.

Chipper is hitting the ball much harder of late so here’s hoping they start to fall this week and his slugging numbers come up. We need every run we can get.

TennesseePaul

August 1st, 2010
11:26 am

Expensive mistakes hamstring general managers. Lowe, Kawakami and McLouth represent $27 million of an $85 million payroll (31.7 percent) this season.

$85M which is actually, technically more than the previous season’s payroll, because there was no budget cut… when adjusted for inflation last year’s $97M payroll was actually less than this year’s $85M.

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:27 am

At the very least they got a tad bit better and gave up virtually nothing to do that. Let’s hope Ankiel can stay healthy for a couple of months.

peter nincompoop

August 1st, 2010
11:29 am

Jeff, wow I like how you have no opinion at all on this trade and you can switch from wren being exec of the year to a diatribe about how much money he has wasted on lowe, kk, mclouth, and you threw in a little chipper there at the end. Way to throw some guys under the bus there shultzeeee.

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:33 am

On the good end they get a stronger outfield arm and hopefully a better overall outfielder than what they had if he’s healthy and he can hit for some power so they got a little better.

In the bullpen where they are already better than most teams they were able to add depth so they don’t have to wear out pitchers like they have of late.

It’s not like adding Fred Mcgriff but it’s not terrible.

don

August 1st, 2010
11:34 am

Marty. You must be Wren’s wife. I’ll trump all your small time successful/lucky deals with the Teixeira trade. That trade dwarfs all others. And, the Soriano trade, the LaRoche trade, the Lowe signing, the Kawakami signing, the Glaus signing, the Francoeur trade, and a host of others add to the overwhelming fact that Wren is in over his head. I’m sure other GMs don’t avoid his telephone calls. For them and their teams, it can often be Christmas Day during the baseball season.

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:37 am

Kawakami was the only mistake. They didn’t need to make that move. Lowe was a necessity and they knew they were vastly overpaying for an average starter… they needed guys who could get tot he 7th inning. They had none. McClouth was exactly what they needed at the time…. he just faceplanted once he came to this team. Not really a mistake logically he’s just lost all ability to play baseball at a major league level. If it were in the budget they could have had Nady or someone like that.

This move still allows them to go after Jason Werth next year in Free Agency. That’s good.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:38 am

Thanks for making my point even better . . .

southerndawg

August 1st, 2010
11:39 am

The jury is still out on ankiel. Farnsworth was good when he was here the last time. Philly is still a threat, but I think everyone is going to find out that oswalt is not going to automatically make them the best team in the NL. He is 0-3 against us. I still like our chances against them.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:39 am

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:44 am

Don… Wren didn’t make the Texiera trade.. Scheroltz did and Sherholtz took a golden parachute to the presidents office when the bugetary constraints took effect. That’s one reason he’s been so public over the handling of aging pitchers and the shenigans with the Furcal deal. He’s defending his own legacy. Sure he handed the keys over to Wren to a pretty decent car…. but he’s had to drill his own oil and refine it. The Texiera deal set the competitiveness of the team back 3 years because the owners wouldn’t pony up the money to resign him and they lost thier high end prospects in the process. Combined with the total flame out of Francouer Wren has had to rebuild the starting pitching, the bullpen and he’s still working on the outfield. The next problem will be 3rd and 1st…. and he still doesn’t have enough money to do it quickly no matter what McGuirk spouts off publically. It’s not all Frank Wren’s fault. Considering the situation they were in and the budget constraints… Frank is doing REALLY WELL to have built a team that is in 1st place in August when none of thier “stars” are really playing well at all.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:44 am

stew, it was Vasquez for Mike Dunn, Viscaino, AND Melky. Melky was the throw-in. Damn, do some research before you post! Dunn is in Atlanta, Viscaino was the Yankees’ number one pitching prospect in their entire farm system!

peter nincompoop

August 1st, 2010
11:44 am

That being said, I hope Chipper does get run over by that bus!

don

August 1st, 2010
11:45 am

After watching the first two games in Cincinnati, I have concluded that:
1. Chipper Jones should have retired last year.
2. Glaus and Hinske should be a tag team in the WWE. They could be called either “Slow and Slower” or “Clumsy” and “Clumsier”. Glaus looks ill at ease at first base. Hinske needs a bushel basket and roller skates in left field. Both are a dream for an opponent in need of a double play.
3. No one would remotely consider taking McLouth or Cabrera in a trade. Both are overpaid. The Braves are stuck with them. Blanco is superior to either of them. that’s why the Royals grabbed him.
4. Lowe and Kawakami. Need I say more. These two define the term “overpaid”. The Braves couldn’t give them away.
5. With no real hitting out of first base, third base, left field, and center field, I have concluded that Old Bob must be a genius.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:46 am

don, just stop posting, please. You are making yourself look foolish. And you can’t “trump” anything. Jeez . . .

Dirty Jacket

August 1st, 2010
11:46 am

Seems like a trade just to make a trade. I don’t trust Farnsworth. Ankiel has had one good season an OF and one good season as an SP. I’d rather have Diaz-Hinske/Melky/Heyward than whatever cluster Ankiel will now cause. Getting rid of Chavez is nice, but he was barely being used anymore anyways. I don’t see this helping or hurting, just seems worthless.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:49 am

There’s always the dry cleaners, Dirty Jacket! I guess you missed Chavez “barely being used this past week” losing the Fl game, while not recording a single out. If Wren had traded him for some used cups, I would have given him a standing ovation!

don

August 1st, 2010
11:52 am

I was wrong. PMC is Wren’s spouse. The Teixeira trade set the Braves back five years. Not because Teixeira wasn’t resigned (Who really thought Atlanta could resign him? that “hometown” crap was silly. He went to GT. Big deal. that sure didn’t make Atlanta his “hometown”. He was always going to end up with the bright lights and big dollars. That aint Atlanta.). And, the truth is that resigning Teixeira wouldn’t have been a cureall by any stretch of reality. Losing players like Andrus, Feliz, Wainwright ill-fated Drew trade), et als. That is what put5s an organization back five years.

And, yes, your spouse was involved in the Teixeira trade.

don

August 1st, 2010
11:54 am

Clay. The truth hurts, doesn’t it. Are you still supporting the captain of the Titanic?

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:54 am

Don. Sherholtz made that trade. Not Wren. Your argument is with John Sherholtz who was making an all in effort to get one last playoff push out of that group of players.

Wren was not in charge of making that trade.

peter nincompoop

August 1st, 2010
11:55 am

Bring up Freddy!

PMC

August 1st, 2010
11:56 am

They aren’t going after any big name players because the ownership has no desire to go sign top level talents. They are running this major market club like a small market club because they have to.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
11:57 am

Titanic? don, the Phillies lost again last night, so ………….look at the standings – the Braves are in first place with a 3 1/2 game lead.

will

August 1st, 2010
12:01 pm

The only way this deal could have been considered a proactive win now move would have been if we could have somehow also gotten Arizona to give us micah owings to play left field for us. This is completely rediculous, we could have at least gotten jose guillen, at least hes a proven major leaguer. Ankiel has essentially had 1 good year, and wasnt he roiding? he struck 99 times with next to no walks in something like 374 at bats. This is a farce. In bobby cox’s last season this is who we give him? Why dont we just re-sign todd hollandsworth and we can party like its 2005. Anyone who thinks this is a sufficient move to move forward in the pennant race especially in light of the phillies recent acquisition is completely diluted.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:01 pm

Wren can’t help it if players perform under their career numbers, whether it be hitters or pitchers. what else can yougo on when making a decision? Yeah, 2 years down the road, we can say that Lowe, KK, and McLouth are overpaid. Wren didn’t have a crystal ball . . .

cattle dawg

August 1st, 2010
12:01 pm

All I know is today is a BIG game . Im hoping Hanson can shut em down. We really need this series win.. About the trades. I think we didnt give up much , and didnt get much back. Id say its about 60/40 our favor on the trade.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:04 pm

cattle dawg, somebody’s got to hit today too. We need to get that run production back up to 4 or 5 per game and everything will be fine.

SC

August 1st, 2010
12:05 pm

They don’t want Freeman to be the next Shafer.

Tim

August 1st, 2010
12:08 pm

This trade just makes our weakness at first base all the more glaring. Unless Ham can start hitting again, thats basically an automatic out in our lineup. And even when he gets on base, moving him from one station to the next is like passing an act of Congress.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:14 pm

To me, the worth of a GM is how well his team competes with the major market (big money) teams, and no team is doing that better that the Braves this year. His payroll is about $60M less than the Phillies and Mets, and $120M less than the Yankees, yet we are competing with those teams, and are in first place! If crertain guys start producing up to their standards, the Braves will win the division, plus the farm system is stocked. Be happy, Braves fans!

Tami

August 1st, 2010
12:17 pm

I hated losing Blanco in the deals. I don’t know a thing about the new OF acquired from the Royals. I guess time will tell if Wren did well or not. At least he did something. Now…what can we get for KK?? LOL.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:20 pm

Yeah, Tim, that scumbag Glaus. All he did is carry the Braves from last-to-first in May and June. You unappreciative “fans” are something else. Troy was signed at a discount price as a stopgap til hopefully Freeman gets to the majors. He wasn’t supposed to “carry” the team. Tthat was supposed to be left to Chipper, Escobar, and Mac. They’re the ones who haven’t done their jobs, yet.

Brave Dawg

August 1st, 2010
12:20 pm

Sports writers act totally in their self interest. Regardless of their location or whether they like the team they must suck up to the local team management or they would have to pay for their tickets like the rest of us. Add to that the fact that they get paid to do it. This is no more apparent in Atlanta than any place else.
Don’t expect any of them to write their true feelings becaus that ain’t what they are paid to do. Get off their backs.

Heyward22

August 1st, 2010
12:21 pm

Ankiel is going HAM today. I can feel it. The Great American Small Park is nothing, Ankiel is going yard today.

Farnsworth is an IMMEDIATE upgrade over Jesse Chavez and for you people to say otherwise are ridiculous.

I mean, who were we going to get for Blanco, Chavez, Collins, and cash? We didn’t lose anything in this trade. Now, I also ask you guys this:

Why is it that none of your favorites got traded? Huh? Dunn, Hart, Ross, Ellsbury, etc. They are all still in their respective clubs untraded which tells me two things, you guys on here know more about trading baseball players, or the real MLB scouts and trade negotiators know nothing.

Good trade. We got the best on the market at the time and didn’t lose anything. Will is pan out? Who’s to say? But I do know one thing, if you back out Ankiels injury time from this BA, he was averaging .333. I’ll take it.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:23 pm

That’s what Google is for, Tami. You’re right, though, time will tell. And my answer to your (rhetorical) question? Um ………….(still thinking) ……………………….

Tim

August 1st, 2010
12:24 pm

I didnt call him a scumbag. I like Glaus.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:25 pm

Man, call Jeff whatever you want to call him. But he ain’t no homer. I have yet to see him “suck up” to any local team.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

Tim: “This trade just makes our weakness at first base all the more glaring. Unless Ham can start hitting again, thats basically an automatic out in our lineup. And even when he gets on base, moving him from one station to the next is like passing an act of Congress.”
******************************************
You like Glaus? Really?

cattle dawg

August 1st, 2010
12:28 pm

Clay, I agree with you on the bats.. Its time for someone to step up. I was hoping that heywards hit the other night would get the team rolling, but that didnt happen yesterday. So maybe someone will step up today.. Chip, Mcann, Gonzales, maybe Ankiel will do something…. If nothing else , hopefully the stadium will catch fire when the Braves return home.

Robert Dean

August 1st, 2010
12:34 pm

After reading most of these posts I am convinced most of you do not really watch the games or keep up with the past or keep up with other teams or the other teams past. Speaking of the Yankees’ pay roll. How many years have they now spent more than anyone and have only produced a championship. The yankees’ consistently over pay for players and still dont when it every year. The pay roll of the Braves is very limited and FW has done a nice job with what he has been given to work with. Speaking of the Braves waiting on the HR to win games. I think that statement is crazy. How many 20 HR guys do we have on the team and we are in first place. That is producing runs. Somebody on he braves always steps up with a key hit. The last two weeks have been hard but every team has a dry spell and we are still in first. The Phillies getting Roy Oswalt does not lock up the division. Oswalt has not pitched good since last year. He is not the difference maker in the division. I agree that Glaus needs to be sat down for a couple of weeks but besides that we are looking pretty darn good. Nice trade MR. Wren. You have made the best bullpen even better and now we have a guy in CF that can actually play the position and now healthy will start to produce runs like 2008! Go Braves!

TheAntiMe

August 1st, 2010
12:35 pm

3. No one would remotely consider taking McLouth or Cabrera in a trade. Both are overpaid. The Braves are stuck with them. Blanco is superior to either of them. that’s why the Royals grabbed him.

There is no doubt that Nate McLouth is in the mother of all slumps this season and wasn’t as good as hoped for last season. However, just two seasons ago McLouth hit 26 HRs and drove in 94 RBIs. He also scored 113 runs and accounted for 23 stolen bases. It’s highly unlikely that Gregor Blanco will hit 26 HRs or drive in 94 RBIs in his entire career. I think that, don, must actually be Gregor Blanco’s spouse.

indigo

August 1st, 2010
12:36 pm

With Gonzalez/Escobar, everyone talked about good it was for clubhouse chemistry, how Gonzalez fit right in and provided leadership.

No talk of that stuff with Farnsworth. If I recall correctly, he could be a real pain. So much for the importance of good team chemistry.

evan

August 1st, 2010
12:36 pm

Even with Glaus struggling lately, he still leads the time in RBI’s right? Tied in homeruns with Bmac, right? Consistency would be nice, but still have to look at what he’s done overall. He carried the team through the month of may and got the braves out front of the phillies where they still are right now. I still wouldn’t mind seeing Freddie Freeman when rosters expand though.

Hopefully Ankiel will be what Nate was supposed to be. Farnsworth is definetly needed as a Righty setup man because Saito can only go every other day and Moylan is getting overworked. Braves bullpen is stacked with Farnsworth aquisition.

RAS

August 1st, 2010
12:43 pm

Rick Ankiel was a sorry pitcher. He’s a sorry outfielder. But, more importantly he is a sorry excuse for an arrogant, self-centered human being (term used for lack of a substitute. I’ll root for the Braves, but I hope Ankiel falls on his face.

Jimmy Dugan

August 1st, 2010
12:44 pm

We are still in first place 3.5 up. Worst we can be after the road trip is 2.5………UP! Wheres that Mitchell dude that said we would be in 2nd come Sunday. Stop all the complaining. No wonder outsiders look at Braves fans as the worst. I say again, enjoy the ride. this is gonna be some fun baseball to watch in the next 2 months.

waterstim

August 1st, 2010
12:46 pm

Anyone who says this trade doesnt improve the Braves, and thinks the Braves made a mistake by trading Blanco—–they know absolute zippo about baseball

bob

August 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

Braves are in a collective hitting slump presently, just like in April. Hopefully they will come out of it early enough for a nice Sept and October run.

It’s called a 162 game Baseball Season folks.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

Right, cattle dawg and Robert Dean. I mean, since the AllStar break the Braves are playing .500 ball, nobody’s hitting other than Heyward, and they are still in first. And I’m not so down about the Nats series last week now that I see what they are doing to the previously red-hot Phillies. Go Braves.

Clay

August 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

RAS, I know nothing about Ankiel except his stats, and I think they show he is a pretty good outfielder. If he is arrogant and self-centered, that probably makes him the rule instead of the exception as a professional athlete. Seriously, with the exception of Brian McCann, wht millionaire pro isn’t arrogant and self-centered?

bvillebaron

August 1st, 2010
12:56 pm

Jeff:

I have disagreed with many of your posts, but you are spot on with this one. Wren made a very understated, but VERY good trade for several reasons. First, and most importantly, he did NOT give up anything in this trade which is important because I for one think the future of this team is its wealth of prospects and this is not the time for another Texeira fiasco.

All the other geniuses who post here were ready to run Chavez out of town and Farnsworth is a HUGE upgrade over him. The so called experts on ESPN who claim that there are questions about his ability to pitch in key spots in a pennant run apparently forgot about how brilliantly he pitched for the Braves down the stretch in 2005 (as you so aptly pointed out). Besides, I envision Farnsworth as being a 6th or 7th inning guy to be followed by Venters, Moylan, Saito and then Wagner. The major difference between Atlanta and the Phillies is the Braves’ bullpen (another blown save for Lidge last night) and the Braves bullpen just got significantly better and deeper. Collins may have a future, but the Braves have higher rate minor league relievers.

For those of you who claim that Ankiel is a downgrade from Blanco, I got news for you. Blanco is a 5th outfielder on a major league roster that only carries 4. I don’t profess that Ankiel is Corey Hart, but he is an upgrade over Blanco. He is a better outfielder, has a cannon for an arm, plays hard (he keeps getting hurt after crashing into walls) and has some power. I also noticed that he has only played 27 games this year due to injury, but is 11 for 30 with a homer, 6 RBI and 7 runs scored during the last 21 days. I assume Wren confirmed he is now healthy before making this move.

I have ripped you in the past Jeff, but I salute you on this one. This is not a team of stars and this move addressed 2 needs, made the team deeper and did not mortgage what I believe is a very bright future.

The Abs Man

August 1st, 2010
1:12 pm

The black hole on Braves?

Bobby Cox when he keeps a total rat like Melk-Dud in lineup.
Melky is a real joke. A Grade I sadsack.
Overweight.
Needs compass on routes to half the balls hit to him, particularly in centerfield.
Swings, half of ‘em, like he has fly swatter instead of bat.
Melky is a loser. Capital ‘L.”
And so are Cox and Braves with this giant stale Melk-Dud abyss in lineup.

mark m

August 1st, 2010
1:21 pm

At least start platooning Hinske at 1B with Glaus. If Gonzalez doesn’t produce. let Infante play more at SS. CF will be a freeforall with McOut, Cabrera, and Ankiel. Hate to lose Blanco,

Jon

August 1st, 2010
1:29 pm

I don’t need to google Jeff. You are defending a proven CHEATER, I am not. He took a banned substance, he knew he did it thus he cheated. What a joke!

Bill

August 1st, 2010
1:32 pm

Bvillebaron..Well said!

.

August 1st, 2010
1:34 pm

Abs boy is the only loser on this blog are team. With Capital “L”

Robert Dean

August 1st, 2010
1:40 pm

Go Braves! Gonzo with a homer and Ankiel a walk. Nice Start!

Robert Dean

August 1st, 2010
1:46 pm

Jon, talking about substance abuse in baseball, if you know your history I would be willing to bet that a lot of your favorite players took them. Cocaine when base ball began to amphetamines in the 60’s and 70’s and steroids until recently. When a edge is available a competitive athlete will usually go for it. I do not like it but I do not condemn one man for what 90 % of athletes have been doing ever since the beginning of athletic competition. GO BRAVES!

Mookie Mills

August 1st, 2010
2:27 pm

Dumb a$$. Blanco was the answer and you traded him and now we have 3 equal shoddy lowers as weak links (Ankiel, McLouth, Melky). Pick which .200 hitter you want to lose the game for you. I thought Melky was laughing about how he threw the ball in the ground last night that cost us 2 runs but he could have just been laughing about Wren and this trade.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 1st, 2010
2:32 pm

Kyle Farnsworth was never the same after that at bat, where Julio Franco fouled off about 15 pitches and then hammered it.

The Doktor

August 1st, 2010
2:58 pm

The LOB thing is absolutely KILLING this baseball team… it’s MADDENING!

Bye Bye Bobby

August 1st, 2010
3:09 pm

Choking, nohitting, $&#)$)$%_+# . Fire Pendleton. THis team has great pitching, but cannot score runs. Braves suck.

POAD

August 1st, 2010
3:19 pm

We need to get the lead back to say like 6 games.

ltdbrave

August 1st, 2010
3:47 pm

Looks like the Braves should have picked up a few more bats the way they are playing now. They are back to the point where they can’t hit the broadside of a red barn. Losing again today.

fieldofdreams

August 1st, 2010
3:50 pm

Should have put JHEY in center, Diaz in right, Hinske in left. Why is Diaz not playing? He’s the hottest hitter on the team now?

Keith

August 1st, 2010
3:53 pm

Farnsworth is a good pickup! He will definately help in the bull pin. Ankiel is a better outfielder than Melky C. or McClouth. Could the Braves be smart enough to go ahead and trade Mcclouth and certainly Melky C. since neither one of them have panned out? Get rid of them Braves!

Rural Education

August 1st, 2010
3:55 pm

The Braves are done, they won’t be within 6 or 7 games of the Phillies by the end of August. Normal Brave choke

Homer,GA

August 1st, 2010
3:56 pm

And who decided to pay Lowe $15,000,000 per year!!? Now we’re hamstrung financially for a guy we hope will give us a quality start every 5th day. HELLO!!! They say they don’t have the money for a BAT. I wonder why?? Here we are scoring 1 run again today.

RAS

August 1st, 2010
3:59 pm

Clay, you are probably right. I have to say that my feelings for Ankiel are biased. You see, when he was a pitcher in the minor leagues, I took my niece to see him because even though she was a Braves fan, she thought Ankiel was special. She was eight at the time and the minor league game was only in the Applachian league – not AAA or even AA. Ankiel’s team won and he pitched a good game. After the game, she wanted him to sign her ball ( She was 8 at the time). She carried her little ball to where he was going off the field and patiently waited until he passed by. When she asked him if he would sign her ball, he turned and, in the most arrogant, hateful voice I have ever heard, told her he didn’t do autographs. That’s fine. But he could have been a little nicer especially to a child. It just showed me what kind of person he was. She was devastated and remembers it to this day (She is now in college.) So, you see, my perception of Ankiel is colored. I know that. But, I still don’t like him.

Max

August 1st, 2010
4:07 pm

The Braves are a sorry lot, falling like a rock. Three straight series loses. Glaus never hits. Gonzales never hits except into dp’s. His defense also sucks. Melky’s defense sucks. Anybody other than a Braves sponsor saying this is a great team? This team is stuck in stink mode.

Homer,GA

August 1st, 2010
4:11 pm

The braves have to have the all time record for men left on base.

Brave Dawg

August 1st, 2010
4:14 pm

Signing and managing a team is very easy using only hindsight as your only tool. I bet Wren and Cox wish they had that luxury. Lack of an owner willing to support them is their biggest problem in fielding a winner, and without that support they are both doing a pretty damn good job. Phils and Mets have a budget 20M to 30M more and the Braves still lead both of them.

ONLY

August 1st, 2010
4:30 pm

Whoever traded Adam Wainwright should be fired!! This is not Mon. morning guessing. It was obvious from the start that he was headed for stardom. Who was or is guilty?

ben

August 1st, 2010
4:31 pm

RAS…that’s a terrible story. He could have been a LOT nicer, especially to a young child. Well, thank goodness not all athletes act like total jerks.

wildbill

August 1st, 2010
4:33 pm

Didn’t the Braves look great in Cincy?!?!?! They SUCKED! I believe the team has mailed it in already. They sure don’t look like contenders, heck, they don’t even look like PRETENDERS!

ben

August 1st, 2010
4:34 pm

Escobar went 1 for 5 today…1 RBI, 1 run scored. I still think of him as an Atlanta Brave, despite the media’s portrayal of him.

cattle dawg

August 1st, 2010
4:40 pm

Why cant Diaz stay in the lineup? Leave him in left, Heyward in right, and have a texas death match for center……………………..

Jesse James

August 1st, 2010
4:40 pm

I would really like to see Diaz play everyday and see what he could do. He had a good at bat against the righthander in the nineth today. As far as Ankiel, I also heard from someone that was at a sping training game and Ankiel was doing rehab with the minor league teams and he hit a homerun and didn’t run the bases, he just went back to he dugout in an arrogant way.

Jesse James

August 1st, 2010
4:41 pm

cattle dawg – I agree, Diaz is as good a stick as anybody we have.

Smitty

August 1st, 2010
4:54 pm

Let’s see… we give up Escobar, Chavez, Reyes and Blanco, and get back Gonzalez, Pastornicky, Ankiel and Farnsworth. Collins doesn’t count. He just passed through. Definitely a couple of moves for this year. Chavez, Reyes and Blanco were really just spare parts. Blanco looked good for a short time this year (he peaked). We needed a third dependable right handed option out of the bullpen. We are set with lefties. Chavez had the stuff but was too inconsistent. Hopefully he will do well in KC with less pressure (as he did in Pittburgh). To replace the pouty Escobar, we get Gonzalez, a dependable SS for this year and next, and another ss who MIGHT replace him in 2012. Farnsworth doesn’t have to be the closer. As another RH setup man he sure solidifies the bullpen. With Ankiel taking over CF, Melky becomes the fourth outfielder again, helping in all three slots. Hinski goes back to helping at 1B and off the bench, for which he was signed. He is not a great outfielder.
Now, KK and McLouth become expensive spare parts, serving as emergency backups this year and, hopefully, can be moved in the offseason for someone more useful.
We have major league ready pitching as starters and relievers at AAA, so KK needs to try elsewhere. My big question is: What do the contracts of Ankiel and Farnsworth call for for next year?

Also, this winter, what could we get for KK and McClouth if we throw in a midlevel pitching prospect?

I wonder what the Red Sox would require for Jacoby Ellsbury. He would look great in our OF.

Since Freeman looks like he will be next year’s firstbaseman, we very much need a veteran RH backup at 1B and a good RH bat in LF. I like Matty, but a better power hitter would help.
The Ramirez pickup from Detroit MIGHT be the ticket in LF if, (BIG IF!) he can learn some better bat control. Otherwise he would not even be another Frenchy.

The two trades look promising for this year if all works out well. ;-)
Looking ahead, we need to upgrade everywhere except 2B, C and RF. Having premier players at only three positions (other than pitchers) and the rest being role players, puts a strain on the offense. A better balance would be 4 and 4. So, we are not that far away from being a dominant team.

POAD

August 1st, 2010
5:05 pm

Thank GOD the BRAVES are not the ga bullmutts run by Damon “Red Panties” Evans.

Jesse James

August 1st, 2010
5:08 pm

Hey POAD that is getting old!

Jon

August 1st, 2010
5:30 pm

Robert Dean – I completely agree with you. However, Schultzie plays it off like Ankiel never did anything wrong. I guess he has to to appease the average Braves fan who thinks this organization is the salt of the earth. But he has no problem ripping into guys like Bonds and A-Rod for doing the exact same thing.

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POAD

August 1st, 2010
6:15 pm

Damn Braves we need wins!!!

Bill in VA

August 1st, 2010
6:20 pm

65 LOB in the weekend series. 65!!!!!!! That sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

August 1st, 2010
6:23 pm

Braves and Wren send a message? Yeah, we have no money to spend. Every reference in this story about success is from 2005 or 2008. It is 2010. Wren is trying to fake us out, Bobby “it’s a crapshoot” Cox, will find a way to blow it if they get in the playoffs, and it would be appropriate that this team wins the division in a thrilling race with the Phillies and then lose to the wild card team in Cox’s final year.

[...] AJC writer Jeff Schultz says the Braves sent the right message by making the trade. That message is that they are not going to stand pat and are pushing hard to try and send Bobby Cox out as a winner this year. [...]

don

August 1st, 2010
6:57 pm

Looks like Ankiel will fit right in with Cabrera and McLouth.

Does anyone else think that the Farnsworth of a last place team is not the same as the Farnsworth with a team in the pennant race? He has a long record of failure.

At least Blanco got a hit today and KC won.

World Wide News Flash

August 1st, 2010
7:17 pm

Braves, Wren send right message with deadline trades | Jeff Schultz…

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)

It's a shame what he did to that dog

August 1st, 2010
7:40 pm

“Braves, Wren send right message with deadline trades”

Yeah, it’s such a right message the Braves have managed to lose three series in a row.

Jesse James

August 1st, 2010
8:20 pm

We didn’t hit on this road trip, but I am telling you that we played three pretty good ball clubs.

Wayne J

August 1st, 2010
8:55 pm

This trade will not change anything significantly. It is just another trade for the sake of making a trade. We have a long history of trading for someone who used to be good.

Chris Snow

August 1st, 2010
10:27 pm

How long do yall think Prado will really be out?

Buster Olney

August 2nd, 2010
7:32 am

BUSTER OLNEY’S TRADE COMMENTS

“The Atlanta Braves got two veteran players in Kyle Farnsworth and Rick Ankiel, and this left a lot of folks with other teams wondering whether either is a winning player, given Farnsworth’s history in big spots and Ankiel’s inconsistency. Both players will now have the opportunity to show that they can help a club win under pressure.”

Braves #5

August 2nd, 2010
8:01 am

We could have got Adam Dunn if stupid Wren would give up on Tommy Hanson !!

jo

August 2nd, 2010
8:07 am

Braves will finish 3rd. Their hitting is suspect as always and their defence has returned to April levels. When we lose 2-1 and strand 10 guys on base, half of those in scoring position, we are just not a good team. However, if we finish with 90 wins, who knows what could happen….but I am counting on 85 wins…

J-man

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

On the plus side Wren didn’t give up anything the Braves will miss and Farnsworth should help. But getting excited over Ankiel is kind of like arguing whether Hitler or Stalin was worse. Both were pretty bad. Ankiel is maybe less bad than Cabrera, but you gotta love Bobby Cox. He found a way to keep Cabrera in the lineup anyway. I’m finding it hard to believe that a team that starts both Ankiel and Cabrera in the OF is going to go to the playoffs.

Phillistein

August 2nd, 2010
9:02 am

Ok Braves!!!

The mark of a good team is that, when your opponent is down………..you step on their throat and don’t let them breathe. The Mutz would like nothing better than to play the spoiler. Your game is on national TV tonight…………

Frankly……….I only marginally care. The MUTZ are/were the most arrogant team in the national league. They’re getting what they deserve. but, if they do manage to beat you……….wouldn’t be the worst thing.

Santana Vs. Hudson………..should be a good game

Don

August 2nd, 2010
9:35 am

Mr. Schultz:
Do you really think that Bobby Cox won’t blow it??
AFTER ALL:
(1) If he played McLouth full time with him producing almost nothing during the first 1/4 of the season or longer (even through the 9 game losing streak) with Hinske and Infante on the bench (Diaz was injured at the time) -and caused the loss of who knows how many games;
(2) If he hit Chipper in the 3rd spot in the batting order all season with him hitting in the .230s or below a significant part of the time and producing few RBI. – causing the loss of how many games?? (Assuming he was going to be in the lineup, he did not have to hit 3rd.);
(3) If he has continued to hit Glaus in the 4th or 5th spot in the batting order throughout long long slumps – even if he was not going to take him out of the lineup – costing who knows how many games;
(4) If he played both Melky and McLouth full time in the outfield during the first 1/4 of the season or longer (one of them in a corner slot- with neither of them producing – with both Infante and Hinske on the bench – cosing how who knows how many games:
(5) If he even placed McLouth back in the lineup afte he came off the DL and did not show signs that he had come out of it in his rehab at AAA’
(6) If even after the acquistion of the new Centerfielder, he stuck Melky back in the outfield yesterday in a corner spot;
(7) When Heyward was off to a great start – being patient, being selective, hitting to all fields, hitting great, producing great; Cox then said that he should be more aggressive – Soon thereafter, Heyward stopped being patient and selective, started swinging at bad pitches, overswinging, pulling everything (or at least a lot more) and his hitting and production went in the tank;
(8) And after his continued misuse of the bullpen like in so many other seasons:
(9) Not to even mention all of Cox’s questionalble in game strategy moves that could be argued one way or the other:
WITH THIS KIND OF MANAGEMENT.
Do you really think that there is any reasonable chance that BOBBY COX WILL NOT BLOW IT??????

Trade Nate for a Bag of balls

August 2nd, 2010
9:45 am

Numbers:

Yunel is hitting against TERRIBLE AL Pitching.

Dan

August 2nd, 2010
9:48 am

Does not matter who the Braves get, Bobby Cox is still in charge so it’ll all go for naught.

Don

August 2nd, 2010
10:10 am

One good thing about Bobby Cox being the manager this year — We don’t need to worry about making a deal or not making a deal – or whether a deal was good or bad — Fact is there is no need to worry about anything — BECAUSE BOBBY COX IS GOING TO BLOW IT – no matter what (withing reason)

Don

August 2nd, 2010
10:15 am

It is a good thing that a movie has not been made of Bobby Cox’s management this season – because a significant number of things that he has done have been so absurd that they would be considered to be too unbelievable to be included.

bushwacker

August 2nd, 2010
10:25 am

Nothing against Ankiel but there was a reason he signe dwith Kansas City.

Ever since we sent Blanco down so McLouth could be brought back we have played under 500 ball.
Now McLouth is finally gone for good but so is Blanco, bad move.

Blanco was finally becoming the the hitter we need at the top of the order, the top of the order for the next 10 years could have been:
1, Gregor Blanco, CF
2, Omar Infante, 2B
3, Martin Prado, 3B
4, Jayson Heyward, RF

TOO LATE NOW!

papadawg

August 2nd, 2010
10:39 am

I’m tired of Cox management style. I’m going to live thru this year and hopefully the Braves Management won’t blow it on a new guy and I’ll see better ball next year

Doug

August 2nd, 2010
10:49 am

I left the country and was out of touch for 10 days and the Braves surged. Ever since I came back they have stunk again. I’m willing to leave again if that will help.

Tell it like it is

August 2nd, 2010
11:17 am

The Braves pitching looks like playoff material, other than that———————————–

Don

August 2nd, 2010
11:21 am

Doug,
Don’t think it would help for you to leave the country.
Now if you could get Bobby to leave, that is an entirely different question.
Any possibility of that???

tulsabravo

August 2nd, 2010
11:30 am

Hey Shultz, You are an idiot. The Braves did nothing to address their immediate needs, unless you see Farnsworth moving to the setup position, and that’s shaky at best. Just another reason why I can’t stand Wren.

Tazz2293

August 2nd, 2010
11:45 am

LMFAO 0- The Braves are done!
Are you ready for some football?

Don

August 2nd, 2010
11:50 am

After seeing the game and after seeing the box score in the newspaper-
SOMEONE TELL ME:
After getting a new centerfielder, Bobby Cox DIDN’T REALLY put MELKY back in the OUTFIELD yesterday in a corner spot.
Surely, that is not possible.

Don

August 2nd, 2010
11:51 am

Sorry, I forgot — There ain’t no cure for DUMB

Roy Hobbs

August 2nd, 2010
12:18 pm

Love the DB Cooper reference. Nice touch.

I dont like this move any more than the Escobar move for the long run, and think its mostly smoke and mirrors to make the faithful think everything is being done that can be done.

I would be far more impressed if KK joins McClouth in Gwinnett and an actual pitcher is brought in to fill in the last spot in the bullpen. That would tell me that Wren, Cox, etc have all checked ego’s at the door and are truly doing everything in their power to win this year.

papadawg

August 2nd, 2010
1:30 pm

Glaus mojo, Dang it we need TEAM MOJO

James

August 2nd, 2010
3:13 pm

Rick Ankiel reminds me of Kelly Johnson he’s going to be a bust for the braves,

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