Hawks being too passive in free agent market

1st?? but prolly 3rd

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dang, 4th

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Schultzie, unfortunately, this is not really news. Even Cunningham lost pretty much all hope of the Hawks doing anything of significance before he went on vacation. And I’m just tired of this non-story. Unless there’s actually a signing of significance, I don’t really care to hear about the Hawks again until Halloween. And depending on how Tech and the Falcons are doing at that point, I might not even care then.

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As hawks fans, we have to feel aggrevated that the ASG isn’t really trying to pursue bigs to help improve this team….but at the same time were still a top 4 team in the east regardless of what chicago is getting….were still better than them and the rest of the eastern conference teams (not named: orlando, miami, and boston) it’s better then being in the cellar of the east like we have most of the last decade…..i’m not satisfied with the current team because we want a title but were not too far off either….go hawks….

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LMAO! Whatever!

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I agree the ASG really screwed up this time…they overpaid Joe J.. and to top it off Joe told the fans in so many words.. screw you. Imo i doubt if they even make the playoffs. Attendance will fall.

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Still say that they need to make a trade or two to clear room for Shaq and bring on Kwame Brown as well. Shaq will make the Hawks play off bound again and maybe get to the East finals against either Miami or Boston. If our were the Hawk players, I would sit down with Sund and work out a percentage reduction of everyone ’s salary to produce a “money bank” to sign Shaq, it would be their best chance to earn a ring.

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Most of you bloggers have on the rose colored glasses… this team will go nowhwere until it’s leadership does. Stop all of the trade possibilities and salary options… WE AREN’t GOING to GET Better until ASG is out the door! So let’s do what we can and get them out the door!!

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I’m starting to feel like we just don’t care. We have a mid-level exception and some cap space we traded for, plus the cash from the draft picks. Why can’t you at least bring in someone, anyone to make it appear you’re doing all you can. Collins doesn’t cut it to satisfy our fan base. We could use a good SF who can shoot 3’s and rebound to help Marvin and a big center to help big AL with D and rebounding!

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Fire Rick Sund and we need new ownership

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our front office is a JOKE, Rick S-Dumb can’t get it done, their too cheap, they complain about how we don’t show up but they don’t show up either, then the use the ” we’re building our team like Detroit” lol, they got one title and flamed out every other time to better teams, also this core has nothing on that Detroit core, Detroit could defend, we switch till we mismatch ourselves, we stink, fan’s and the team.

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Hey Jeff ….. what free agents are left? …. Can you give a list? …. It’s not pretty I’m sure.

Love your column and couldn’t agree more. I like Sund and understand his apprehensiveness. It’s not the “greatest” free agent market after the marquee players. But trades are STILL an option.

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Jeff, thx for taking on this challenge of making sense to the moves of Sund. He has made one move of significance to try and improve this roster: Crawford. He is about to have to move him though because we aren’t going to pay him after this season.
He has Marvin,Bibby and Zaza at 17M/year…….that’s a lot of change that could be given to better players….far better players. Does anyone have these 3 on their fantasy rosters?

We still don’t have a center to go up against Dwight and the Celtics.
We are throwing all of our eggs in the Teague basket.
We give LD 2 years to prove himself….really, 2 years for a team that you like?

Is this the makings of a championship contender?

ASG, don’t exceed the cap, that’s fine. But don’t come out and complain that you can’t get support for a team that has been dreadful in the 1/2 court the past 2 playoffs.

Sund, keep the model of Detroit and San Antonio. The only problem is those are exceptions more than the rules. Duncan and Billups aren’t on this roster. Detroit and SA has bulls to deal with Shaq. We don’t have that.

If you like this team the way it is, then why is Knight or Woodson gone? They brought it to this level and you are only the caretaker that gave one player 25% of your cap minimum for the next 6 years.
Talk about faith in one player who has done little in the playoffs.

I can only hope that both Milwaukee and Chicago will have chemistry issues. That still puts us 3rd or 4th in the EC. Am I reaching here?

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kirkinga, well, Jamal Crawford’s contract expires after this season, as does Mo’s. And Bibby will be a lot more tradeable next offseason, since he’ll be in the last year of his contract, but the Hawks would likely have to take on a longer term contract in return. Unless they just re-sign Crawford and Mo, those contract situations would seem to dictate that there should be a good bit of movement with regard to the roster after this season.

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I don’t understand then why they didn’t draft Gani Lawal with the 30th pick then- He would have fit in the budget, and He would have fit the bill as your power foward- He just made the all NBA summer rookie league- He would have been a tremendous pick and would have been a great guy to bang for us.

ASG is going to regret selling that pick- That may end up going down as a Sheldon Williams type deal for them. Especially knowing their budget restraints. They need to find young guys to fill that Center and Power foward spot- It accomplishes two things- Their cheap, young, and have tremendous upside. Rather than expensive and no upside.

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ryan said
“Rumor has it that the Hawks are quietly going put a trade to send Josh Smith and Marvin Williams to Denver for Carmello Anthony . And could be why they have been quiet about adding anyone.”

lollolollollollollolhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, the ASG is not that savy!

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ryan, didn’t Denver recently say they have no interest in trading ‘Melo? Not that teams haven’t said stuff like that before a trade before.

Also, that trade really doesn’t clear significant cap space. Unless there’s some corresponding deal to get a big man (which would likely put the Hawks into the luxury tax), our back court would be great, but our front line would be incredibly weak. It would probably put more butts in the seats, but I’m skeptical that it would lead to more wins.

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Thanks Jeff, I am glad someone else shares my frustrations.

Now if we do end up with Shaq, he will be even more disgruntled than usual and will disrupt our team just like he has with his past teams.

Right now our management has no credibility with me and I am sure others.

Eventually, these fans will tire and fade away.

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No matter how well they play during the season,its all to clear they will quit when the playoffs reach round 2. Who needs a team like that? These guys should all have been run out of town. It’s going to be a repeat. yuck.

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dap01
“:Right now our management has no credibility with me and I am sure others.

Eventually, these fans will tire and fade away.”

I have tired but I don’t know where to fade away too I was born down here

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Some owners are content to sit it out in hopes that some young phenom will fall into their laps and dramatically improve the fortunes – on and off court – of their franchise. Is it financial constraints or ‘throw your hands up’ incompetence that leads to this sideline sitting? Who knows. Others actively and creatively seek to better the fortunes of the franchise with a well conceived and executed plan. Seems apparent what we have here, doesn’t it?

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Comments like Sund just presented to us explains everything to us about being a team that doesn’t have any intentions of contending for a title.

And Shaq, like Iverson, isn’t going to sit behind anyone….

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ASG= LOSERS. Both teams, Hawks and Thrashers, sinking toward the bottom together. Nuff said.

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The Hawks match up at the 4 & 5 positions well against everyone except LA and Orlando.
Can they compete with Boston? Well, they swept them last year.
Can they compete with Miami? If they can’t, it won’t be because Al Horford can’t guard their center & Josh has proven to be able to guard Bosh.

None of the guys the Hawks could have signed this offseason would have improved them to championship level. Brad Miller would have been a nice addition and Shaq off the bench isn’t bad but that will not get them out of the second round.

If this team, as it currently is constructed, develops some mental toughness, stops complaining to refs over bad calls (there will be plenty of those), and focuses on the task at hand on a nightly basis; that will take them a lot farther than any of these free agent big men.

They still need some personnel changes to have a shot at a championship but the attitude adjustment is the most important thing for this team in my opinion.

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Here is the bottom line truth: I would never pay a dime to see this team play. If they can be cheap, well… so can the fans. Great job Sund. You can retire as the mediocre GM that you are. Good riddance. The sooner this team is sold, and a new management team arrives, the better. Reminds me of the Rankin Smith owned Falcons of the 80’s.

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I’m sick of the Atlanta Hawks non-stories as well, but apparently, so are all the NBA journalists. It’s slightly depressing.

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your line up would be. mo william ( pg). j crawford (sg) C. BULTER (sf) al (pf) an haywood an center

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I think the Hawks are doing about all they can do. They are obviously on a budget, and just throwing money at the likes of Brad Miller isn’t going to necessarily make them better. If the Hawks had run their offense last year (instead of iso-Joe), they would have given even Orlando a run for their money. It would be great to get some more big bodies, but Kurt Thomas is still available, and he probably would do them as much good as Miller. It ain’t over yet. I was very disgusted with their showing down the stretch last season, and especially in the playoffs. But a lot of that would be fixed if they will just move the ball. And they have the guys to do it, if they will just do it.

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Well DUH

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I think Jordan Crawford will help a lot, only problem is he plays same position as JJ and Jamal Crawford.

A lineup of
SG Jamal Crawford
PG Jordan Craford
SF Joe Johnson
PF Josh Smith
C Al Hortford

Is very solid, If Drew’s a good coach and could get these 5 to run, share ball and play as a team they could win the east. set offense may be rough without true PG but that 5 guys that teams would have to respect.

With good coach they would kill the Bucks, Celtics, Bulls, compete with Magic and Heat.

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Yeah, passive. Just like the big stiffs they stick on the end of the bench to take up space.

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ASG throwing in the towel…

The Hawks signed JJ to save face, they don’t intend to actually compete and a championship is for the smokers…put down the pipe. They are content to be NBA owners.

In retrospect, Woody overachieved and pulled together a bunch of 1st rd. picks and surprised everybody with a playoff team. ASG comes out pretty well with a 1st rd televised playoff, several big game sellouts and their share of luxury tax distribution. They’re not counting on competing in the 2nd rd. – that would require significant investment, i.e. paying luxury tax, and that would forfeit their share of the luxury tax distribution – not happening.

Sad thing is we are THIS close! And Shaq could get us over the hump, he’s the one player DHoward cant bully. The one player that’ll clog the lane from DWade and LBJ and provide the Hawks the “heart” they lack. It’s simply asking too much of Horford to take that beating, even though he gives a yeoman effort, he simply isn’t big enough. And we know Smoove is a PF in name only.

Kwame Brown is a good specimen, but he doesn’t address our issues. He’s just a more expensive RandMo, maybe not as good. Certainly hasn’t done anything anywhere he’s been.

I don’t think ASG appreciates the embarrassment and humiliation felt by the fans when getting pounded by 30-40 on national tv. And to watch them piss away several negotiating chips for 2nd rd picks, trade exceptions and cash is insulting.

But like clockwork, they’ll complain about attendance! Who’s going to fight downtown traffic after a workday on a Wednesday night to see them beat up on below .500 teams, lose on the road and get swept in the playoffs, year after year after year?

JUST SELL THE FREAKING TEAM ALREADY!

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Football season’s around the corner – maybe Hawks will find new ownership someday. They sure are not finding any of my money running things like this.

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Sign Shaq!!!!

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If Rick Sund would come out and say, look, we are building a young team that could well turn into a championship caliber team in 2-4 years…fine. The team is young and talented, and with LD as HC Teague and JC2 may actually see significant minutes this year and will develop their games and make the Hawks even more youthful and dynamic.

The problem with Woody was he ran the team like they were a bunch of aging vets…his teams should have run opponents out of the building…but, ironically, his teams were the first to tire and fade…whiloe young talent sat and watched.

If the “develop the talent” plan is Sund’s philosophy,what makes NO sense whatsoever, is passing up on the opportunity to draft a young big man (C or PF) at #31, when there were some intriguing talents there. The team is still trying to find big men as we speak and yet they sell the #31 pick for $3M?

There would be a different kind of buzz if Sund was selling the fans on the youth movement and he pulled a rabbit out of the hat by showing the creativity to come away from the draft with Jordan Crawford, one of the young, talented shot blockers like Whiteside, and Pape Sy.

The selling of that draft pick…when there are ALWAYS 2nd round steals (how about Blair from Pitt last year?)…and getting the FIRST pick in that 2nd round, which is hard to do because so many teams covet that pick…yup, the selling of that pick was one of the most egregious fake-outs the Hawks have ever pulled on the fans.

Hey, Sund’s big move was to make JJ the highest paid player in the NBA.

Maybe, as it turns out, Sund agrees with JJ…the heck with the fans.

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In 41 home games last reg season, the Thrashers averaged 13,607 attendance (15,407 overall, incl road).

In 41 home games last reg season, the Hawks averaged 16,545 attendance (16,821 overall, incl road).

The Thrashers have a GM now who means bizness and they look to be vastly improved over the team that choked on their “March to the Playoffs” last year. The Hawks have, well…a GM and they look to be a retread of the team that choked on their “2nd Round Collapse in the Playoffs” last year and the year before.

The interesting thing is the Thrashers TRIED to give away $101 Mill to their “franchise player”. He balked and the team is stronger. The Hawks DID give away $120 Mill to their “franchise player” and they have ruined this team for the forseeable future.

I wonder if any lessons were learned? Perhaps the Thrashers exceed the Hawks in avg attendance at Philips this year. If so, then the lesson is pretty glaring, huh?

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Great summary Mitch.

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Jeff, me and you see eye-to-eye on what’s happening here

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To all ya’ll on here who think the Nuggets are going to trade Carmelo Anthony for M. Williams and Josh Smith, you need to put down whatever you are smoking.

You are delusional if you think Denver will trade a top 5 or 10 player in all of the NBA for two middle tier, at best, players.

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Can’t get mad. Its like getting mad at someone who works at McDonalds because they can’t afford the expensive clothes at the mall and all of the high rollers can.

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Sign The Big WaffleHouse…….. oops! I mean Shaq!

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I agree with what Sund is doing. Shaq is the best available free agent out there and will be a good fit for the Hawks. However, don’t just go over the salary cap. He is still available so no one is going after him heavy. When Shaq see that he’s not gonna get the money he wants i think he will come along and play for a team he can help get to the big dance. He also needs to be willing to come off the bench so we can keep the chemistry together with our starting five. Sure we have gotten swept in the second round for two straight years but a lot of that had to do with our coaching (Woodson). Now under a new coach i think we will be a hell of a lot better this year. Ball movement with our team creates mismatches with a lot of teams in the lead. Just watch and see im very excited! We will lure in Shaq and compete with any team in the lead.

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We are already seeing the effects of overpaying for Joe Johnson. No one else would have given him that kind of money!

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I dont think that the ASG isnt pay attention to fans or anything like that, they know that many of teams in the Eastern Conf got alot stronger and better. The Hawks didnt do anything just resign somebody who got more money then the Three Divas in South Beach. I think that Hawks doesnt do something, we will be going back those days when their was no fans and no wins.

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The Heat went down Rodeo Drive? They got three superstars to take less money and have been convincing vets to take the minimum. They have gotten everything on the cheap.

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I think Sund is playing it smart. Our team is good. Without a goofball coach we’re even better. The Braves have Chemistry, but The HAWKS have had chemistry and still have it. If we can convince Shaq to join us and take the first half of the season off we’ll be golden. We just need him to hold off Dwight long enough for either Josh or Al to help and block the bs hook he has. Right now Dwight is just too big and athletic for anyone on our roster. PG is a question for us, but our team can score with any team out there with a coach who has half a game plan.

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The ASG blows.

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Sund pulled a rabitt out of the hat last year with the acquisition of JC. With Melo and CP3 wanting out, lets hope he can work a deal for one of them by moving smoove and marvin. bloggers saying that cant happen need to remember that teams losing superstars would usually prefer to get something for them. Hopefully Mr. Sund is calling New Orleans and Denver Every day. LD has to be effective though for this team to do anything. Chicago definitely moved up, but Boston is a year older. It feels like the Hawks are the 4 seed….

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Joe’s contract is way too much in the future, but this year his salary is only 15th in the league, so he’s not the problem this year. ASG said they would spend the 3 mill. they made on draft day on vet bigs – they need to do it!

Shaq or Kwame and Anthony Tolliver would improve us – not sure about Josh Powell or any of the guys from the Summer League.

We may end up with Shaq after all – Knicks and Nets want him, but they look like losers, and he wants to go out a winner – maybe the Mavs get in the sweepstakes also, who knows

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They probably are trying to sign FA’s, but they too damn cheap………….besides they got JJ, not D. Wade, L, James and C. Bosh………….Chit, the ASG and Rick Sund are only stupid asses that think JJ is a SUPERSTAR……………

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I Don’t Think The Celtics Or The Bulls Are Better Than The Hawks, I Do Think Miami is Slightly Better and Orlando Has Our Number Because Of D. Howard. Atlanta Fans Kill Me When They Say We Are Gonna Suck Next Year. Two Words….Not Happening! Our Core Is Young and I Would Love To Add Shaq, But Only For The MLE! Sund and ASG Are Doing The Best They Can. You Can Squeeze Lemonade From Oranges. Trading Marvin For Shaq Would Of Been Stupid. Marvin Is Still Only 24, If We Trade Him It Has To Be For The Right Value. Period!!!! I Think Miller Got Overpaid…There Is No Way In The Hell He Was Going To Defend Dwight Howard and For 5 Million a Season for 3 Seasons, Man He Robbed HOUSTON!! LOL! SHAQ IS THE ONLY PLAYER THE HAWKS NEED TO SIGN FOR 5.8MIL. ANYTHING OVER THE MLE IS WASTE OF TIME OF SHAQ O’NEAL. If We Get Him For The MLE Then Fine. If Not Lets Fight With What We Got And At The Trade Deadline, See Where We Stand!!! Love What The Hawks Are Doing!! STAY PATIENT!! GOOOOOOOOOO HAWKS!!

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Forget Shaq……………..he don’t want to play for the Hawks…….especially for the MLE. If they sign him for the MLE…………….remember you get what you pay for!

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I TOLD YOU SO…STOOOOOOOOOOPID ATLANTA FANS!! LOL!

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I totally disagree with jeff, that the hawks are 4th in east conf. The hawks current roster will not beat Milwauke or Chicago, in the playoffs. They would struggle with even Charlotte.

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classichawks i agree but to bad we will be in the 5th spot in the playoffs because division winners are top 4 unless we can beat out miami or orlando we will be 5th

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There is the damn problem from this idiot: he aims to be one of the 4 best in the east. The Lakers/Celtics/Spurs/Heat aim to be #1 in the NBA. My 4 games a year are DONE. Screw this ownership.

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Just pay Shaq you cheap bas****! I mean he is the only true big left dont miss out b/c we have missed out on all of them this summer!! We still need someone for the magic and lakers and move Al to the 4! He still puts the casual fan in the seats and if 50 people come to 40 home games during the year b/c of Shaq at an average of $50 a pop you make your money back. If i were Shaq and know this i would want more moeny too! I mean thats Economics 101!! Where did our owners go to college at again was it Morehouse??????

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I just tried to give my Josh Smith jersey to a homeless man and he told me he did not want it!!!!

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This team will get destroyed next year. The Atlanta Dream has a better chance of winning a Championship than the Atlanta Hawks

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Yeah i agree about the east! OUr division is going to be murder and we may not have a winnig record in our division!!!!! We not a bad team but i would not put $1 down for us to win it all i would rather go buy a double chesse burger from Micky D’s!!!

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loll in the east you forgot!!! Were #4 in the east! Were number#4! Our owners are going to look real stupid when we go back to losing again and they look back on this and say we had the peices in place to make a run at a chip!! Oh well when does SEC football start agian???

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Delusional should describe all of us. We were spoofed by Joe and his recruiting abilities. We are being told by Gearon that we will pay what it takes to get better. We are being told that Sund likes the core and we hope to attain Top 4 status.
Did I miss anything?

Going forward, we lose Jamal Crawford this year. We are stuck for now with Bibby and Zaza. Marvin is in the lower tier for fantasy small forwards and probably lower than some teams’ reserves.
Our bench has not improved one iota. There aren’t any minutes available for hotshot Jordan Crawford, who isn’t in any shape to compete right now.
It is tough to think that the majority of us are ignorant and don’t know the needs of this team. The only thing we have missed this offseason is for the GM to come out and tell us he is the basketball expert of this organization.
Frankly, like Joe, he has said enough to drive a lot of us away from coming to the arena.

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P-Bull Terrier and K-Dogg – You guys are optimists. LOL.

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They gave all their money to Joe Johnson

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Has Sund made his round of the Goodwill places yet? There may be an old-timer hanging on the rack. Matt Geiger has marked his mansion in Tarpon Springs down from $25 million to 14, so I’m guessing he might need a job. Maybe he can still wander around on a basketball court?

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Sund again: “I think we’re pointed in the right direction. I’m hopeful we’ll improve with some changes to our offense and our young players getting older, and we can stay among the top four teams in the Eastern Conference.””

LOL! The guy doesn’t care about winning rings. He just wants to win regular season games. He even said it himself: The blowouts vs. ORL didn’t matter because other teams got blown out.

Worst GM in the NBA.

The guy said our only goal 2 years ago was to make the Playoffs with a winning record (LOL!).

KWAME BROWN IS OUT THERE. WE HAVE A TRADE EXCEPTION, THE MLE, AND 3M CASH FROM SELLING THE PICK. IF U CAN SIGN JOE’S UNDERACHIEVING @$$ FOR $125M, HOW CAN U NOT AFFORD FREAKING KWAME BROWN?

THIS IS BULLSH!T..

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The Hawks should sign Tracy McGrady, Shaq and Allen Iverson.

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D.S.G.B.

July 20th, 2010
11:57 pm
please, please have this lineup. it would be so explosive, and offensively dynamic. especially with this new LD offense i keep hearing about.

1=teague/bibby
2=jordan/jamal
3=jj/marvin
4=smoove/augustine or davidson or aminu
5=horford/hopefully shaq

could your imagine the firepower that will just overwhelm opposing defenses, generated from this starting lineup. Oh and picture our bench scoring 30 a night posssibly with bibby, jamal, and marvin coming off of it. we would be much too much depth-wise for any team to handle. I LIKE IT ALOT! please try it out in training camp

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the hawks are doing the right thing. its not like we are at the bottom of a well and wont do any to try and get out. we are balancing at the top of the well and are just a move away from getting out. the strategy is to keep our footing where we know it is firm, until that move reveals itself, so that we don’t slip further down into the well. as is, we are eastern conference playoff contenders and the longer we can stay in that position the better. sooner or later well make that last jump to the title, but it needs to be perfect, and not a gamble that puts at risk all the ground we made to get to the top of the well. just be patient. as long as were in the playoffs every year, we’ll get our chance. just be happy were not some team that is not even thinking about the playoffs… so ungrateful.

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Giving $124 million to joe johnson to run isos is being passive?? Get real–the hawk management is on top of it. With JJ, they will win the NBA title—he’s a one man team baby—get out of his way!!!

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If J.J was REALLY SERIOUS about winning a ring. He would have taken less money like the other top free agents(Pierce,Bron,Wade,Dirk).

we could really salvage the summer by getting a few nice pieces, LIKE SHAQ.

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Maybe the team believes life is like a video game and they can create a player.

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As much as I have blasted the fans in Atlanta for their apathy toward this team, even I have to admit that it is VERY HARD to support this ownership group now. When you basically sit back and do nothing to improve the product, how are the fans supposed to get excited about all of this? WTF are we supposed to do? Just smile and grin, while a damn superpower pops up overnight in our own damn division?

I mean damn . . HOW DARE SUND talk about how the ASG is running this team like Detroit and San Antonio.

Detroit put together a juggernaut defensive team, went out and hired ( stole ) a Hall of Fame head coach, and executed a trade with US to add the final piece ( Rasheed Wallace . . after we had acquired him for one day ). That’s what put Detroit over the top.

Meanwhile, the Spurs have one of the top 10 – 15 big men in the HISTORY of the NBA, while constantly trading their fringe pieces around their core 3 ( not core 6 like Sund believes ), every damn year. They don’t EVER keep the same team together.
And they ALWAYS acquire IMPACT VETS that end up helping the team. Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli are the core . . but everybody else is either traded or moved out every 2 or 3 years.

LOL @ he likes our team. We like the team too. We would like it even more if you made a DAMN MOVE to improve the team.

JUSTQUIT (( BLEEPING )) LYING TO THE FAN BASE !!

If you mo-fos had no intention to sign a SIGNIFICANT free agent to improve the team, don’t lie about selling the pick that you acquired ( only for money ). Don’t lie that you’ll go over the Luxury Tax for the “right player”. And why not use that damn pick in the first place? If you had no intention of bringing in a significant free agent, why sell that damn pick? Here I am, defending what you did, thinking that the 3 million could be used to pay for possible luxury tax penalties. The people on the ajc blogs and on Hawksquawk tried to tell me that you simply did it to pocket the money, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

NEVER AGAIN WILL I DO THAT.

The pick was “cheap”, since that’s how you guys are going to run the team now. Why not let the fans “drool” over another young guy like we will over Jordan Crawford? Why not let the fans “hope” over that pick at least. Seriously . . WTF?

I, for one, will not let your INCOMPETENCE as a management group deter me from driving 600 miles round trip to go to the games. I support the TEAM unconditionally . . but I could give a damn for this ownership group. You guys are NOT BIG LEAGUE, and will never be BIG LEAGUE.

I know that if I boycott going to the game ( like hundreds, even thousands of others may do ), it’s not going to change a damn thing. It never does. If anything, the ASG would move the Hawks out of ATL, before they sell the team outright. You mo-fos would probably move the Hawks right out of ATL, like the Oilers did in Houston.

It’s a damn shame.

Your young PF/C asks for help on the frontline, and who is he going to get? Jason Collins? What you gonna do Sund? Call your boy Robert Swift to help out Horford? Maybe Saer Sene can help the Hawks out.

We have a damn superpower that sprung up in our division overnight, and you guys sit back and do nothing . . . NOTHING!!

A lot of the fans used to call Billy Knight “arrogant”. Well Sund is a different kind of “arrogant”. They’re both cut from the same cloth. They think they’re the “smartest kid in the room”. He’s rolling the dice on a “new offense” and our guys getting older.

Trying to sell that top 4 ish to the fans isn’t going to work anymore. He’ll, we could be TOP 3 and STILL be the #5 seed in the damn playoffs. The 3 division leaders have to get one of the top 4 seeds. So if Miami wins 60 games – Orlando 58 games – and the Hawks 56 games . . we’re STILL the #5 damn seed, without home court advantage.

I was watching that fake 2012 movie the other night. LOL . .I would be highly pizzed if the Hawks were close to winning a title, but didn’t do it, simply because they were too cheap to acquire a player, and possibly pay a little luxury tax.

Then the world ends.

Mo-fos

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Northcyde

That post was OFF THE CHAIN. Bravo.

neutral observor ,

Your first mistake is comparing football to basketball. The payroll and the system are nothing alike. Secondly, the Falcons are entering year 3 of a total rebuild. The GM was displaced and a new (and better one) was hired. Same thing with the coaching staff. It’s taken the Hawks several more years than that to do that…

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northcyde, I want them to move this team out of Atlanta because we will be sending a message to the next owner who think he can take the fans in the ATL for granted. ITS TIME FOR CHANGE! Sometimes you have to sacrifice to get things moving in the right direction. It won’t be easy at first but time heals all all wounds. I’m more excited about Mark Fox and the DAWGS anyway. That team is on the rise just wait and see.

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Northcyde,

I feel you, I defended them too. I couldn’t have said it better.

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The Hawks have the absolute worse ownership/management in the history of sports. I thought the objective is to win championships and not just settle for being 3rd or 4th best in your conference. I say we boycott the Hawks until ASG sell the team. Hell, sale it to Joe Johnson, you paid him enough.

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Classic Hawks: I fully understand your devotion as a Hawks fan and I admire it but, you have to be realistic about how this thing has played out. The Hawks have stoop pat and definitely fell back a step or two. No way the addition of Utah Mafia in Chicago and a new coach don’t take them higher than the 8th seed – they are “younger” than the Hawks and upwardly mobile. It will go Heat – Orlando – Celts – Milwaukee – Chicago – Atl – Tor – Charlotte – you lose in 6 in the first round to the C’s! Book it!

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Fire Sund!!!!

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@ClassicHawks,did you forget your glasses or are you blind saying the hawks are better than the celtics,bulls and miami is slightly better? its one thing to cheer for your team because its your team but another thing to decieve yourself because its your team.

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No one is happy with the offseason so far. If we want to show ASG just how unhappy we are with them and their lackluster eforts to improve the team. All we have to do is stay home and don’t buy the tickets. It is that simple.
If we stay at home one of two things will happen.
They will sell the team or
They will finally build a winner

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You all have no perspective. This team sucked for a very long time (see the Blalock and Smith trades). Getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs consistently s a great accomplishment – beyond that it takes a little luck, some good calls and some hot shooting to win. Only a very small number of owners are willing to pay the luxury tax, so if you think there is a miracle group/person to buy out the ASG think again. If you can’t root for a team that consistently makes the playoffs and is still developing then you have no idea of what being a fan is.

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Let’s run one!

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Passive is an understatement to put it mildly, you ever had a contract hangover? I think they are waiting on Joe to recruit the top FREE AGENTS in the league to come to the ATL. At least that is what he said 30 seconds after the DUPE OF THE CENTURY contract was pulled off. For his next show he will climb Phillips arena and swing over the the GA dome with no ropes………………………….just money

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The Hawks will end up #5 in the East AT BEST next year. MIA, ORL, and BOS are clearly better than the Hawks and I would say that the Bucks are ready to break out. The Hawks have no shot of even making it to the second round of the playoffs in my mind, so I can see why only 4% of ATL responders believe they can compete for the East.

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ASG….if you are trying to please your fan base, you have made a mess of it.

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TB, you need to have this explained to you….

The Hawks’ end of season has not improved in 2 years. They are at a peak now with their current roster. It has been proven for 2 years.
- who is our PG this year?
- who is our big man inside this year to compete with Dwight?
- should we rest Joe more for the playoffs?

Those questions will continue to be asked until this group with the limitations of a cap (despite the JJ fiasco) shows it has an answer.

TB, did you see us against Cleveland and Orlando last year? Did you watch one game in the playoffs? Milwaukee w/o Bogut took us to 7….did you see any of that?

Has Orlando improved? Maybe
Has Cleveland improved? No, but it sure will be laughable if they finish ahead of us and we never considered Byron Scott.
Has Boston improved? Maybe
Has Chicago/Milwaukee/Miami improved? Yes, and these 3 weren’t that far from our level last year with their rosters.
Have we improved? No

We have done nothing to improve….
- coaching could be weaker…is that possible?
- the only potential change is Bibby to the bench
- Teague in the starting lineup makes our bench weaker

So, based on how it is layed out, is it Woodson and Bibby that were the problems to our moving forward last year? That’s the only thing we have changed.

How is it that 90% of the comments here can see that and a select few on these blogs, the inept ASG, and Sund cannot?

We might have hope here, but there sure isn’t much change. Kiss a first round home court advantage goodbye as we look today.

Keep saying its only July..its only July.

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It’s the Hawks –nobody cares!

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Operating on the cheap,bussiness as usual. I think the ASG will take a financial hit next season. The attendance was already questionable last season and they Give Joe a gazillion dollars, resign Collins and fail to pursue guys who could have really helped the team. Not alot to get excited about.
I would target Louis Almundson as a reserve PF and Steven Hunter from GS as a backup PF/C and Sign Kwame to goon it up when needed. Almondson and hunter would replace Morris/Joe Smith

Why does it take a Professional ball player a whole dam year to get in shape. Collins is my least favorite player on the team. In shape or not his game sux and he is a foul machine.

JJ’s recruiting HUH? ASG want to improve our team HUH? You cant lie to the fans and expect them to just go with the flow. So far JJ has’nt recruited shyt and Sund is handcuffed by our broke owners.

I personally dont think Teague is ready for prime time and Bibby is past his prime so we should be looking for a Vet PG as well.

STRETCH- That was a sweet analogy man- So True!

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I am getting becoming more worried about the Heat they putting a great team together they have signed Juwan Howard and could sign Jerry Stackhouse and Bulls and the Bucks have verry much improved i do not like the Hawks chances now.

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No reason to fire Sund. He can only do what the owners allow. Blame the ASG. But I do agree with the Hawks not giving Shaq more than the mid-level, especially when there’s no other playoff team out there that desires his services. He has very little demand among teams he’d consider playing for (perennial 2nd round teams). Beggars can’t be choosers.

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Concerning the Bucks series, the Hawks did not get outplayed, they simply got outcoached. If any other coach with half a brain was coaching the Hawks, and they saw how Skiles used the switching defense against the Hawks, they would have made adjustments and the series would’ve been over in 5. I was never on the Fire Woody train until I saw his lack of a reaction to Skiles’ coaching in the 1st round. Then I knew that win or lose, he had to go. NOT OUTPLAYED, OUTCOACHED.

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Larry Drew needs to show quickly that he can coach in this league. Or ASG cheap antics in not hiring Avery Johnson will be second guessed.

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The Hawks management are a joke…they know we need a true center. If u are not gonna get a player to fill the seats of the arena, then at least hire a TOP RATED coach, and they didn’t do that. They overpaid for Joe, I don’t think any other team would have offered Joe that type of money..but we will never know because the Hawks didn’t give anyone a chance to offer anything. We need a big man, otherwise we got the same team we had the last 2 years, which means we will make the playoffs as a 3 or 4 seed. In the 1st round we will play down to our competition (like we did against the Bucks) and stretch that series to 7 games instead of winning in a sweep or in 5 games. Then in the 2nd round we will loose to Orlando again, or maybe it will be Miami with their new big 3. Bottom line is, i do not see us making it to the Eastern Conf Finals. We will again loose in the 2nd round and maybe the upper management is satisfied with just making it to the playoffs, but I’m not..I WANT TO WIN!

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Why hasn’t any reporters set up a interview with someone from the ownership to find out the real scoop? Is the ownership not willing to give an interview? Are they aware that the fanbase is getting a little upset about the lack of commitment they are showing? Or do they even care?

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It sounds like ASG cheap crap ownership has thrown in the towel screw them and FIRE RICK SUND !

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BTW, here is a list of every team owner in the NBA. I could be wrong but the ATLANTA HAWKS, your, ATLANTA HAWKS are the only one with 9 FRIGGIN OWNERS! Like the ol’ saying goes, “How many idiots does it take to change a lightbulb?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_team_owners

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@ FrustratedBird….I agree with you…The basketball franchise does need to be a bit aggressive. Here’s an idea….let get Arthur Blank to purchase them and he’ll hire a good GM…At least he finally got it right with the Falcons…lol

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Here is idea everyone what needs to happen if you want change is protest the Hawks outside there office boycott the games don’t go and maybe you might be able to change the ownership it happened in Charlotte, NC .

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North, welcome to the Dark Side. I tried to reach out to you months ago when you ripped folks for not showing up; you’ve finally seen it my way.

I’ve been preaching this sermon since the Dan Roundfield days regarding this franchise. Championships are won long before TNT runs their ‘40 games in 40 nights’ promos in May. They are won in the front office and unfortunately for every person who call themselves Hawk fans, we’ve never had a single guy there who acted on that.

Kasten? Please. He’s the same clown who not only drafted Jon Koncak but gave him a cap-killing extension to boot. If it weren’t for the Jazz nearly going bankrupt, Nique’s jersey would be hanging from the rafters in Salt Lake right now. Like Sund, he also sat on his hands and watched Nique’s teams go stale while the Pistons, Bulls, and Knicks passed them by. The only moves he made to help his franchise player, who was getting double and triple-teamed night after night was bringing in old Moses Malone and old Reggie Theus; we all know how well that turned out, don’t we?

Babcock? No need to go into the Nique trade again. Because of his pisspoor drafting (Adam Keefe, Doug Edwards, and Dion Glover ring a bell?), Steve Smith, Mookie, and Dikembe had to play 99.9999% of the game for them to have a shot to win. He’s the single reason why Alan Henderson and Chris Crawford are sitting in beachfront houses in Aruba counting their $$$$ right now. Oh yeah, do I really need to mention J.R. Rider?

BK? Get real. He’s had not one, not two, not four, but as King Kong Bundy would say, FIVE LOTTERY PICKS. After losing 50+ games all of those years, you would’ve expected the self-proclaimed ‘basketball expert’ to bring in guys who would’ve change the franchise for the better. With the exception of Horford, he managed to draft a glue guy who doesn’t start, the clumsiest small forward in basketball, and two others who will have a hard time getting an NBA deal over the league minimum. Just how much different would this team look with Chris Paul, Rudy Gay, and Al Jefferson on it instead of what’s there right now? The resources used to bring in Speedy Claxton, only to be forced to trade for Bibby could’ve easily been reallocated to getting the big man they so desperately needs if BK had simply did what all of us here, on Hawksquawk, RealGM, and Peachtree Hoops had suggested; leaving Marvin alone to draft a point guard. On top of that, he hires a guy who comes from the Red Holtzman school of not playing young players, even if he has a ROSTER FULL OF THEM. Woodson would’ve had CP3 or Deron sitting the bench behind Tyronn Lue and Anthony Johnson. BK has done just as much damage to the team as the A.S.G., which leads me to….

Rick Sund. He bamboozles Golden State into giving us Crawford and, well, that’s been all folks. Oh yeah, thanks to BK’s cracked vision of having a roster of 6′9″ guys and Woodson’s ‘never play the young guys while JJ or Crawford pounds the ball’ coaching style, Joe Johnson had all the leverage he needed to secure a maximum deal. Sund insists that a new coach and more improvement from ‘the core’ is all that is needed for them to be a top-4 team again. He insists that he’ll get the help that Horford’s been screaming from the hilltops for and his answer is Jason Collins? Really???? He must have missed the memo that Lebron and Bosh joined a team in his own division, which would make them the 5th best team in the conference at best. Yet and still, he refuses to part with any players of value (????), despite the fact that they just finished getting swept away in record-setting fashion AT HOME. Well, when you’re considering Marvin Williams as a core player, well, that tells me that you really aren’t paying attention and a new driver needs to take the wheel.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the leaders of our local NBA team over the past 30 years.

If anyone wants to know why Philips is only half-full when the Lebrons or Kobe isn’t in town, say no more. If anyone wants to know why the locals throw up their hands in frustration, only to turn around and buy a Dwayne Wade jersey, well, as Ryan Cameron would say, NOW YOU KNOW.

When you have a franchise who only thinks about how much $$$ they can make by getting to the second round of the playoffs instead of one who thinks of the proper route they should go on during their championship parade in June, folks aren’t going to respond. No one’s impressed with ‘how far they’ve come’ when Orlando’s guys are laughing their hindparts off on the sidelines while up 29. No one cares about Josh Smith’s improvement when they turn around and see the Big Old Three in Boston playing for titles.

Again, stuff like this makes it real hard to be a Hawks fan. And with a lookout looming next year, they might lose a lot of folks on this board, including this lifelong fan. This time, it might be for good….

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Come on Hawks fans change we can believe in we need stand up like the tea party and have are voices heard and get rid of the ASG !

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Tolliver is a UFA. The Hawks should offer him the bi-annual. I bet he would sign with the Hawks. The Warriors are not prepared to sign him @ this time!

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Jeff,

Great find! I would rather have Tolliver, but I guess I’m not the man making these decisions!

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ryan,

The Hawks could still get Shaq by sending Bibby and a second round draft pick to the Kings. They need a Vet. guard and they have the cap space. Then we could take the 5.5M and sign Shaq. Next, the Timberwolves are trying to get rid of Sessions. So, see if they would accept Evans (expiring contract) plus 1.4M of our TPE for Sessions.

We could look like this:

PG-Sessions/Teague
SG-Crawford/Crawford2
SF-JJ/Williams/Sy
PF-Smith/Zaza/Powell
C-Horford/Shaq/Collins

That’s NOT BAD!!!

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Milwaukee is better than us.

Bogut, Jennings, Salmons, they signed Gooden and 3 draft picks……….

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Chris Paul wants to be traded the hawks need to find a way to get him to Atlanta.

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I know I’m in the minority on being optimistic for the Hawks. I find the whining here indicative of why I moved away from Atlanta. Pessimism. Entitlement. Self-righteousness.

A 53 win team comes back together. ASG doesn’t feel they should sign someone like Jon Koncak to a MLE plug the center. I have always felt that Woody held this team back and zapped their confidence. Someone would get hot on the floor and he would rest him for 12 minutes. Switching defense where Bibby ends up on Dwight ends up like the Hindenburg.

I’ve always felt we have the players, just need the system. Perhaps Larry Drew is da man. Back in the 70’s, I remember sticking a Braves bumper sticker on my mom’s stationwagon that said “This could be the year!” We never were, but we rooted for them even when they sucked.

If we would go into Luxury tax for someone that won’t help us, but we “made a move”.. would that really be a good move? If Sund has a budget and thinks he can figure out how to either get Shaq for MLE or hold tight with their “core” and keep working to improve (with a long term vision).

Remember that the Hawks have NEVER been past the second round. Not with Dominique, Willis, Doc and Tree.

“This could be the year”

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Josh Powell signs with Atl for vet minimum

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2197

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Everyone who is dreaming about Chris Paul coming here for get it he just named 3 teams he wants to play for and its not the Hawks its the Knicks, Magic, and Lackers . I AM DONE WITH THIS SO CALLED TEAM !

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Face it the owners aren’t going to spend money. They own this team for a tax write off at the end of the year. They have no intentions of owning this team to try and make a profit much less worry about advancing in the playoffs.

What a waste of everyone’s time…….

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We have too many guards on the roster… and not enough QUALITY big men.

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I’d rather have Powell over Smith. Powell has the size to guard Howard, Smith does not. We could still get Shaq too. Let’s just be patient. We don’t need an all world center/big. We just need one with size and coordination.

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Real question for me is will the Magic go with Vince or tweak the lineup for something new. I think Vince was their weak link last year as well as backup PG play. They’ve solved their PG issue, what of their Vince issue?

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Whatever Orlanda does I’ll still be scared of them. Screw Miami. The Majic are the team to beat in my opinion. Now in two years maybe Miami will take that spot, but not right now.

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That’s my point. There’s no one out there who can stop Dwight. Maybe Powell can shine here at home. He’s a homer who hasn’t seen many minutes in LA. He’s young enough to still have the motivation and energy to make a splash here. We got him, let’s use him.

I still don’t say Shaq is the answer. I’d rather see someone younger than 30 myself. We need strong, quick footed, athletic defenders to stay in front of Howard or a strong rebounding, defensive minded SF to back up Marvin.

Let Howard dunk, just control the boards otherwise. That was our achilles, no rebounding or perimeter defense. They just broke us down.

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Soulstar…My 8 yr old knows Horford can defend better than Powell. We need fouls though and powell gives us those.

Fund….With the options available this summer I’m not sure who you guys are tyring to target. Miller would have been nice in this offense, but Howard would have had a field day against him.

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someone tell me its some nasty, tasteless, disgusting joke. Did the hawks really sign josh powell???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? I AM SERIOUSLY BEGINNING TO BELIEVE THERE ARE MONKEYS SITTING IN THE ASG OFFICES PUSHING COLOURFUL BUTTONS AND PICKING EACHOTHER, so much anger built up inside…

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Jay,

Perhaps your 8 year old knows that we can get fouls from Jason Collins too. If all you’re looking at is how many fouls the guy can absorb at a position he probably won’t even defend, then you should pass the keyboard to your 8 year old and go about your business.

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We should be in the CP3 discussion. Trade Jamal Crawford and Mike Bibby and sign say…Shannon Brown to come off the bench for JJ. Gives us:

PG: CP3
SG: JJ
SF: Marvin – He’ll do better this year right?
PF: Smoove
C: Horford

Bench of: Teague (Our all Wake Forest PG depth chart), Shannon Brown, Mo, Rookie Crawford, Zaza, Collins and another big to be named later (Shaq?).

Thoughts?

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Anybody know where these Josh Powell rumors are coming from. Is it true? Really? We ask for a true center and get Josh Powell.

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Here’s the link that says Powell to sign with the Hawks!

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68285/20100722/powell_close_to_deal_with_hawks/

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So is Josh Powell our knight in shining armour sent to defend the likes of Dwight Howard? If you’re going to sign Josh Powell, why the hell would you consider being back that big loaf of meat named Jason Collins. Is it just me or is this whole picture offly confusing? It’s not all Sund’s fault. He’s simply doing what the owners tell him or approve of him to do. I agree with many who’ve commented in past posts – Phillips Arena will look like a ghost town. I love the Hawks. I’ve been to at least 20+ games in my time. Good times, bad times. But this is about the worst I’ve ever seen it get. How can I as a fan subject myself to this nonesense? How? Oh yeah I forgot…We do have the NBA’s highest paid player. He must at least be a top 3 or 5 talent in the league and be worthy of my hard earned money to go see. Another joke…ha ha. Not funny, I know.

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Did I just hear that Chris Paul would rather play for the Knicks than the “tired-assed” Hawks………..Chit, guys don’t even want to be traded to this team……………What does that say about this organization.

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I just do not what to think about this Hawks team anymore they wont trade for anyone they resign Joe then that was it the Shaq thing looks dead i just don’t know.

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How bad do an organization have to be for players not to want to be traded here! This is basketball HELL.

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Just PATHETIC

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RS couldn’t make a deal if he was to die and come back as Monty Hall………..

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i told you so.. cp3 picked 4 teams as pos destination one where he will be with melo and stoudemire pos next year, duh no brainer, marvericks , or why wouldnt he , the magic go figure, but there is still alot of teams out there he didnt dsay stop being a baby,

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Come everyone sing with me NA NA NA heeeeeeeey good buy ASG !

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The Hawks should go ahead and trade Marvin Williams for Chris Paul. Paul desperately wants to leave the Hornets and Marvin would make be a nice addition to anyones team by being the last or worst player on any nba roster. Trade Paul for Williams and a 1st round draft pick and sign the deal as quickly as possible.

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Alright to everyone asking for Chris Paul he’s not coming in fact if anything Chris Paul holds all the cards, and he wants to be traded to either the MAGIC, KNICKS, MAVS, or LAKERS.

In that list there is no team that starts with an A in fact not even close to it. Also like someone said CP3 probably would have bolted anyway.

Plus top that off Woodson probably would have stunted his growth as a PG anyway remember how Acie Law turned out lol.

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CP3 is nothing but a crybaby! I heard Magic Johnson the other day blasting LaBron, Wade and Bosch as these modern day athletes are being DISHONEST in their attempts to gain championship rings. Back when Jordan, Magic and Bird played there was TOTAL HONESTY in going after the gold ball.. Nowadays players are spoiled and feel they are entitled and refuse to wait patiently for their clubs to build dynasties as the MJs Bulls, Magic and Kareems Lakers and Birds Celtics. These players come into the league like a bat out of hell believing they will get max deals RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE without having to prove their worth to their teams. Additionally, folks like LaBron and Wade were so frustrated that they couldnt win that THEY FELT THEY HAD TO CHEAT (collusion) in order to gain their rings. As I said before its cheating and I feel that David Stern was afraid to fine LaBron and rescind the deals sending bosh and james to the heat. David Stern should have made that deal NULL and VOID and forced LaBron back to the Cavs so that he could go about getting a ring the correct way. Some people say, “LaBron was a free agent and was entitled to play wherever he wanted, which is true”. But the acquisitions of LaBron and Bosh to the Heat to play with another superstar D-WADE should have been stopped because it (1) ruins the league and damages the integrity of the game; and most important (2) damages the league and IS BAD FOR THE GAME OF BASKETBALL AND CHEAPENS THE GAME FROM NOW ON. LaBron has become as destructive force and I think Dan Gilbert was correct in his letter to the Cleveland fans. Oh well its too late now and I wont ever watch nba basketball ever again.

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For all you dont give Shaq the money and a starting spot people, have you watched any of Shaq’s highlights last year? If given the touches he is still very close to a 20 -10 guy!!!! We are a jumpshooting team and Shaq would provide us with the proper half court balance when the jumper’s arent falling!! Get real ATL

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When was the last time you saw a Hawk commit a meaningful foul on someone coming down the lane? Actually Shaq would help out running game because he understands what an OUTLET pass is!!! Unlike Josh and AL would try to double as Point guards leading the break, We can move Marvin to the bench which is where he wants to be anyway…. Are we trying to compete or what?

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Everybody keeps trying to trade this team away, lol. I like our 3 guys of Josh, Jo and Al. I like our 6th man of the year coming off the bench in Crawford. I’m really intrigued by the JC2 as well as Jeff Teague. I kind of like the idea of Bibby teaming up with JC1 against second stringers every night. Please Marvin show up. Please Sund sign Shaq. Please fairweather fans leave the arena so I can get cheap good seats!

@soul, nice one bro. Either way jason collins can’t give fouls if running to the scorer’s table tires him. That’s the confusing signing in my opinion. Dude didn’t even get in shape at any point during the season.

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They “snuck” Crawford…………..jay you could have made that deal bro, GS didn’t need him anymore. After they drafted that kid from Davidson (remember they have Monta Eillis as well, so that made Craw the odd man out. They had too many scoring guards, so they basically gift wrapped him to the hawks. Not saying Craw haven’t being good for the hawks, but do not give RS any “big time” credit fro making such a simple deal.

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Hey relaxxxxxxxxxx! You wait for CP3 down at Phillips, he’ll be there but he won’t be wearing a hawks uniform sucker……………

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So, we have confusion with multiple Joshes again and the obvious confusion of Jamal and the other Crawford. If we could only sign someone named Josh Crawford, can you imagine the fun it would be listening to Dominique on TV trying to keep it all straight on who is doing a ‘heat check’?

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Told you so_I know Crawford was there to be had, but there were 20 plus other teams that could have gotten him. And we got him for peanuts and without any rumor mill. We literally gave up nothing and got a 20 ppg scorere. I give Sund kudos for that. Woodson should have done more with what he had.

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Anybody who followed NBA basketball in ’60s and ’70s knows that there were a ton of great players including Bill Russell and all his championships with the Celtics. Can you imagine what would have happened if Wilt Chamberlain, David Thompson and George “Ice Man” Gervin all called each other to have a summit meeting so they could play together and win championships. Those three giants of the game would have probably won several championships but their legacy would have been tarnished and I’m sure they would have lost a ton of respect. Now the great Chris Paul, who hasent accomplished anything sudden feels he must bolt from the Hornets and form his “Dream Team” to follow in LaBrons footsteps. Like I said yesterday, LaBron has created a copycat model in the NBA to follow for the idiots to follow. The league should never be thought of as “the inmates running the asylum”. David Stern is a wimp to let LaBron run his league. LaBron, Bosh and D-Wade should have each been fined, along with Pat Riley of the Heat and David Stern should have blocked the Heat acquisitions KNOWING THAT THEY WERE BAD FOR THE LEAGUE. Now Chris Paul wants to do the same thing, and some of the other players who are watching and observing are looking at this as if Chris Paul, LaBron and Boshe are models to follow. The models you should follow are Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan because they built the league and made it great and they didnt have to team up to form dream teams. They all made their teams great and each won multiple championships to show for their efforts. LaBum is a quitter and now you will have a league full of quitters, crybabies, whiners and unethical spoiled brats. David Stern will sit there and do nothing because he has a league full of stars and the league is making gazillions of dollars.

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Chris Paul is a Jerk if i were NO i would not give CP3 what he wants if your doing to trade do it right be sure your going to get real good players in return and don’t just trade to New York because he says they do not have good roster except for Amare .

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Those people in NO are suffering and Chris Paul cares about his him self at least Joe is only one that has any class.

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Chris Paul/Emeka Okafor for Smoove/Ja. Crawford/Bibby and 2 future 1st rounders…with that trade, financial stability will be kept, and we become instant contenders for a title

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Fire Rick Sund

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If you can trade the three I mentioned before (Smoove/Ja. Crawford/Bibby) and 2 future 1st rounders to NO for Paul/Okafor, you get a top 5 PG and a new C that can move Horford to PF and solidify this team, hell you even cut off $2 mil from your budget with that trade. If the ingrates at ASG had any sort of basketball knowledge, they would go for this deal in a heartbeat.

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Chris Paul has turned into a jerk the way he is treating NO he is a coward in my book those people are going through a rough time i just don’t think i would want him on my team.

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I’m guessing the people here must not read the news much Chris Paul doesn’t want to come anywhere near ATL, and giving away Smoove and Ja. Crawford would be the worst deal ever.

There are at least three people in the Hawks group that are untouchable Smoove, Horford, and Joe(apparently). Smoove for the fact that he brings in a lot of the ATL fans and is a face for many of us. Horford because he’s a dominant PF, and Joe well he just got paid 126 mil need I say more.

Seriously all these trades with NO won’t be any good because NO would want Joe Johnson, Smoove, Crawford, Williams, and Horford just for Chris Paul. Would you really want to give those 5 guys away. Now Williams I know most of you are willing to give away, but the other 4 would you? Also be reminded that giving those five guys away and only getting CP3 and a C means we have No SG’s well their’s JC2, but we don’t know how he’ll pan out. Plus their’s no SF or PF that’s of any good. What Josh Powell yeah right he’s probably about as good as Joe Smith if at all.

With all that said Hawks need some C’s and that’s it. I fear the day they trade away Marvin to an up and coming team and he becomes a superstar remember we had that happen twice already.

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Trade Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams to the NO Hornets in exchange for Chris Paul straight up. The Hawks would then have the best point guard to come into the league since Tiny Archibald led the league in scoring and assists concurrently. I cant imagine Chris Paul in a hawk uniform although it should have happened when we mistakenly drafted Marvin Williams ahead of Chris Paul while Paul was still on the draft board. THE HAWKS COULD HAVE HAD CHRIS PAUL INSTEAD OF MARVIN WILLIAMS.

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I think the Hawks should try their level best to acquire Chris Paul. Since Paul wants out of NO maybe atlanta could put together a deal to accomodate Pauls wishes. Orlando wont take Paul because they already have one of the premier point guards in the league in Jamir Nelson. The Hawks have as good a chance as any to land Paul. I hope we get him because we should have gotten him instead of plastic man marvin williams in that infamous bothched draft when Billy Knight was general manager.

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The Hawks should have let Joe Johnson walk and attempted and get CP3 and JC2 with the $126mil they gave johnson by mistake. The Hawks wasted their money on Jonhson, a guy who is and will be no more than an average journeyman player. Bad deal.

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Hawks had to over pay… but Joe has credentials… 4-time All Star, SG… If Amare got a $100mill deal, Joe deserves it.. people are quick t bring up the playoffs, but who carried the team, consistently? It was Joe… Joe made the Hawks relevent, and we know what to expect from Joe… Hawks wouldnt have been able to ATTRACT anyone of Joe’s caliber… w/o Joe here, who’s gonna want to play for Atlanta…???

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Atl Southside: you just gave me a great idea for a trade: I SURPRISE MYSELF SOMETIMES! THIS IS ABSOLUTE GENIUS. IVE GOT A PHENOMINAL PROPOSED TRADE THAT IS SURE TO BE ACCEPTED BY NEW ORLEANS IN EXCHANGE FOR CHRIS PAUL. THE HAWKS SHOULD GIVE THE HORNETS FOUR PLAYERS OFF THEIR CURRENT ROSTER PLUS A DRAFT CHOICE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE AWESOME CHRIS PAUL. THE FOUR PLAYERS THAT THE HAWKS SHOULD LET GO ARE BIBBY, MARVIN WILLIAMS, MO EVANS AND TEAGUE. YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED TEAGUE IF YOU ARE LANDING CHRIS PAUL THAT IS PROVIDED THAT PAUL STAYS HEALTHY. HOWEVER AFER CONSIDERING PAULS HORRIBLE TRACK RECORD OF BEING INJURED ALL THE TIME, YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP TEAGUE FOR INSURANCE IN THE EVENT PAUL IS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN GOOD HEALTH. SO HERE ARE THE TWO TRADE POSSIBILITIES: SCENARIO 1: BIBBY, WILLIAMS AND EVANS + A DRAFT PICK FOR CP3. SCENARIO 2: BIBBY, WILLIAMS, EVANS, TEAGUE + A DRAFT PICK FOR CP3. THE HAWKS SHOULD OFFER SCENARIO 1 FIRST HOPING THAT NO’S ACCEPTS THAT OFFER. WE WOULD THEN STILL HAVE TEAGUE TO BACK UP PAUL IN THE EVENT PAUL CONTINUES TO GET INJURED. I BELIEVE THE HORNETS WILL AGREE TO ONE OF THOSE TWO TRADE POSSIBILITIES.

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I think ATL organization would not even think about trade for CP3 because SUND have never being none to make smart and bold move. Check his record with seattle he blew that team up when they had salary cap trouble. So you think he will make a bold move like that. ATL. have more to offer than the other team who want CP3 like MAVS,LAKERS,MAGICS,AND KNICKS if those teams plan on keeping their core together.ATL. to me is the best team for CP3 but i know the ownership problem and their history will hurt ATL.SUND hear me and hear me good this trade is so easy for the hawks.Just send Ja. Crawford expiring contract,ZAZA,MARVIN,BIBBY future 1st and 2nd rounds pick for CP3 AND E. OKAFOR and still keep your core but you have extra money on the book for extra years.KNOW tell me why wont ATL be in the running for the east crown. CP3,JOE,MO,SMOOTH,AL YOUR STARTERS, OKAFOR,TEAGUE,JO.CRAWFORD,POWELL COMING OF THE BENCH.We will still need to add a SF and another big what about SHAQ.This could be a team that could really contend for the big ONE.

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I just have a felling that Chris Paul will wind up staying in NO until 2012 because the Hornets are going to want a lot and expiring contracts .

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Come on ASG at least talk to NO about him even if you know your not going to deal for him. Who knows they might what to deal with you.Like i said before ATL got the pieces to make big trade with NO even if they have to deal one of their core players.If they do trade one of them they still have a nice core. With addition of CP3 and Okafor because he have to be included in any deal for CP3.

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I,m not saying that the ASG will make a serious offer for CP3 & Okafor, but this is the trade IMHO that the Hornets would go for:

Hawks get-CP3 & Okafor (we finally get a PG & a center)

Hornets get-Crawford & Evans (expiring contracts), Bibby (back up PG), & Zaza (replacement for Okafor

***This could happen. I just don’t believe though.

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I dont know why people think that NO want trade CP3 why not trade CP3. They are cap struck, they have to free up money some how and fast.CP3 will not resign will his contract is up,so they have to make a deal. I hear stuff like he is a jerk and he is wrong for wanting out of NO,but the thing is if u want 2 win sometime u have 2 leave were u call home.I will take CP3 anyday so take JA. CRAWFORD,BIBBY,ZAZA,M.WILLIAMS,1RD PICK, AND WE ALSO GET OKAFOR.

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I’m surprised and even SHOCKED that Chris Paul would believe that the “LaBron Plan” of free agency of using CONSPIRACY, COLLUSION and UNDERHANDEDNESS in trying to FORCE A CHAMPIONSHIP through TRICKERY and DISHONESTY is honorable, noble and worthy of copying. It would take an absolutely DEVIANT MIND or someone without a CONSIENCE or without CHARACTER (like a Mike Vick) to pull a labron james and attempt to FORCE A CHAMPIONSHIP OUT OF THIN AIR. I really believe Paul is delusional, demented and crazy to think that the LaBron way is the new way of success of building championships. I for one cannot believe how stupid Chris Paul is to follow in LaBrons footsteps. I really thougth that Paul was one of the brightest minds in the NBA. As it turned out by his extreme, beligerant, ruthless, offensive and obscene request to muscle a champsionship by forming his gang of bandits to overthrow the league is pure foolishness and silliness. I am surprised that David Stern has sat back in his easy chair and has said absolutely nothing because Stern now feels that LaBron has pretty much TAKEN OVER THE LEAGUE and is now the new comissioner of the NBA. Introducing the new commisioiner of the NBA—–LABRON JAMES. Its utterly ridiculous but I think its now in effect. LaBron will now make decisions for the league since is hit show–THE DECISION–was such a big hit. In fact I heard that espns Labrons Decision program was watched more than one of the games of this years NBA Finals between the Celtics and the Lakers. Thats quite a feat that was pulled off by Labron James. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of LaBron, D-Wade and Chris Boshe. What those three guys have done is unforgivable and it looks to me like its going to ruin the league. Pretty soon the NBA is going to go out of business because of LaBron James selfishness. What LaBron has done is create a league full of LaBron James copycats. Chris Paul was the first one to emerge. Many more will follow.

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If they don’t make any moves the rest of the summer and if Hawks fail to make the playoffs there is going serious consequences they past Brad Miller, Kurt Thomas , and Tyson Chandler and got nothing for Childress this going to come back and haunt them like CP3.

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I might boycott the NBA and ASG because i have not this crap it sucks I wish something could be done to get rid of this horrible ownership.

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CP3 leaving NO will mean the Hornets will need CPR to breathe life back into a dying franchise!!!!

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now here is a concept, The NBA is going to push for a soft non gaurenteed contract clause. They wont get the NFL absoloute hard non gaurenteed contracts. But it might make the Hawks day, Say you sign Speedy Claxton and then he gets hurt, then you can waive him for half of his contracts value
that would help, I dont see being able to waive a player to get under the cap or because he sucks (ALA Marvin Williams) But at least when they re-sign Al Horford they’ll have the option a year from Febuary after the lockout

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I do not want the Hawks to move if we can just get a someone like owner who loves the game of basketball and listens to fans like a Mark Cuban does or Author Blank it was a huge mistake not letting David McDavid own the team. Hawks fans need to have your voice heard if you want change.

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I’m glad the Hawks didnt try to pursue Shaq. Shaq is 38 years old and too old to be productive in the nba. He is holding on just to continue to reach nba paychecks because he knows that once his nba career is over, he’ll go back to either being a bouncer at a nightclub or bagging groceries at Kroger. Shaqs hall of fame career is basically over. Shaq isnt smart enough to retire on his own so he will wait until he gets cut and nobody calls his agent.

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ryan: you hit the nail right on the head. Here are the hawks doing absolutely nothing in the free agency period during the offseason while other teams are stocking up with improvments. We could have easily added 3 outstanding players to our roster: Shaq, Heidu Turkelu and T-Mac, but Hawks management thought those players were washed up and no good while they were offered and signed to contracts by other teams. I will monitor those three guys this upcoming season because I know all three of them will be all-stars and provide a significant lift to their teams. The Hawks management team are idiots.

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The fact that our AJC Bloggers have’nt had anything to report on about the Hawks for well over a week, shows us just how “busy” the Hawks are in the offseason. I mean even hawks.com has the same story on there for like an entire week. Not even a rumor of anyone coming over.

It’s sad and pathetic and I really do hope someone is bought in to help us.

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I have a friend in Detroit and they’re reporting out there, Detroit News, that the Hawks and Pistons are restablishing talks from last year to trade Al or Josh for Teyshaun and his expiring contract. Neither of us believe it because the trade wouldn’t help either squad.

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I can see this coming:

1. The Cavs just traded for Sessions. They have the Bird Rights on Shaq.

2. The Hawks will trade Josh Smith for Prince and Jerebko and a 2nd round pick.

3. Then the Hawks will trade Marvin and Bibby for Shaq (S&T), Moon, and Sessions.

New Hawks line up-
PG-Sessions/Teague
SG-JJ/Crawford/Crawford2
SF-Prince/Moon
PF-Horford/Powell/Jerebko
C-Shaq/Zaza/Siler

If you can make this happen Rick Sund, YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Thoughts?

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I think Rick Sund needs to be fire along with the ASG.

I wish i was a billionaire I would buy the team and I would make Dominique the GM

I would trade Johnson/Bibby and 2 future 1st round pick for Chris Paul

I would have hire Avery Johnson to be the coach now.

I would have sign Shaq to be Center.

I would have gotten rid of Marvin Williams and gave the max to Jamal Crawford and resign josh smith.

Playing Miami is not going to be a walk in the park anymore. Now we have 3 guys that are threats on the floor. J-smoov can not defend all 3.

We need a Big man to TKO Superman on the floor. Shaq got beef with D-Howard

but seriously the Hawks may not make it to the playoff this year because of a weak donkey’s behind line up.

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Diehard Hawks Fan: I dont agree with your assisment of the hawks trades. First, Avery Johnson is a great regular season coach but he is HORRIBLE IN THE PLAYOFFS. Second of all to package johnson and bibby is foolish. Joe Johnson is a first ballot hall of famer. Bibby is a great player WHO IS A SCORING MACHINE WHEN HE IS HOT. Bibby can sit outside the 3-point line and make threes all day, similar to Ray Allen of Boston when Bibby is scorching hot. Why would you get rid of two of our best offensive players for a young punk like Paul who is trying to destroy the league with his LaBron Plan of Destruction. You see how mad it made Cavs owner Dan Gilbert in his rants and tirades to James in his farewell letter to James. LaBron James and Chris Paul are WRECKING BALLS FOR THE LEAGUE. What those two are doing is similar to a truck lowering a wrecking ball on a building and destroying the structure. Those two guys, I think, should be kicked out of the league along with Bosh and D-Wade. Those four are all selfish prima donas who think they will win at the expense of whomever gets in their way. To heck with them, there are other great nba players to root for, like Kobe Bryant, Carmello Anthony and other great players. Forget about plans of destruction because its a waste of time and the Miami Heat wont accomplish anything this season.

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Jeff, since this Chris Paul demand has come up, I have concocted a deal that the Hawks should look to just in case things blow up . . . which I suspect will occur during the season as New Orleans begins to suffer. Chris Paul and James Posey to New Orleans for Jamal Crawford,Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby and a 2011 first-round pick.
The Hawks have decided by signing Joe Johnson to a max deal that their time is now and they should push for a championship and they need a guard like Paul that can help overwhelm the competition and give the Atlanta community an exciting product to rival Miami. Sund should prep that package now – Marvin may improve but seeing him as our main hope for improvement is just a poorly constructed plan.

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Hinesight is always 20-20 and I know so many people are lamenting over the fact that we could have drafted either Chris Paul OR Daron Williams. Either of those guys could have been drafted by the Hawks if they didnt have a horses a$$ as a GM at the time (Billy Knight). Of course our current GM is not much better than Knight, although Sund was shrewd enough to get us Jamal Crawford (the assassin) who should be much better this coming season. Folks just forget about Daron Williams and Chris Paul because we cant go back in time and make those drafts right. We are stuck with Marvin Williams although Marvin still has an enormous upside potential, Marvin may eventually get promoted to usher if he continues his progression backwards.

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I’m not an expert on nba basketball personell, but I think current GM Rick Sund should get fired. Why? Because he failed to sign two players who I felt would have given the Hawks considerably more fire power and helped assist their chances of making either the Eastern Conference Finals or the NBA Finals. The Hawks should have signed Tracy McGrady because you dont know what he has left. T-Mac used to be the best player in the league AHEAD of Kobe and LaBron but since t-mac has been injured he has fallen near the bottom of the top 10 players in the league. The question is he might still be one of the top 5 players so you invite him in for a tryout to see what he has left. If he is still great his signing upgrades your team considerably. Plus to go along with T-Mac you should have gone out and signed Heidu Turkelu a proven commodity in the NBA. Heidu is a 5-tool player who is one of the best talents to ever come along in the association. Turk should have been signed to at worst a 10-day contract. Bringing in those two guys would have made the Hawks the odd-on favorites to WIN IT ALL. Without those two players the Hawks this upcoming season will be a 38-49 win team and thats about all we have to look forward to. Bringing in Shaq would have been a waste of time. Shaq is finished and waiting to sell his rap albums. The Hawks need a competent GM who can acquire great players either as soon as they hit the waiver wire or as soon as they become available.

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Its sad what has happend to the Hawks this offseason. The moves were all there to make and Sund just felt as if the only way to improve the hawks were by adding the top marque name free agents. Those folks werent offered enough money so they couldnt play with the Hawks. Joe Johnson was offered so much money that he couldnt refuse although in reality he is probably worth only HALF of the contract but in his mind he is worth every penny he signed for. Its too bad because if we could have offered max contracts to Dirk Norwinski AND LaBron James and just imagine how good we could have been. Think if it, pretend for one minute that we signed Dirk AND LaBron during the offseason and those guys get to play with Al Horford, Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith and Joe Johnson. Now you have an all-star team capable of hoisting the Larry O’Brien trophy. But instead you have the same group of underachievers who got blown out by over 100 points in a playoff series against the Orlando Magic (an NBA record). Thats what you have going into the 2010-11 season. Like I said yesterday I would not expect the Hawks to win more than 38-49 games this season. I dont expect the Hawks to crack winning over 50 games this year. The Hawks look to me like they are regressing declining and going backwards and I am expecting the hawks to go 38-44 this year, especially since Chicago, New York Knicks and Miami Heat have all improved dramatically. Unless the Hawks get one more really good player to be added to their current mix, I dont expect much of an improvement from the Hawks, although I am no expert by any means a basketball expert. If you could get Marvin (the invisible man) Williams to play up the level that he played in college and come into camp with a fresh attitude and imrpoved game, then the Hawks could possibly win 60 games with the current group that they have. But I’m not expecting any improved attitude from Williams. Im expecting the same guy who gives you nothing but expects everything in return, which to me makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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I agree with Cory Boulder: I felt the Hawks SHOULD have made only 3 moves to their roster this offseason: 1) Add Avery Johnson as head coach; 2) sign Heidu Turkelu and 3) sign Tracy McGrady. Making those three moves would have brought so much excitement to the Hawks because: a) T-Mac might still be a great player, if he is then its as good as signing LaBron or Kobe: b) Heidu Turkelu will get any team he is a member on to the finals. Check with the Orlando Magic, two years ago he was on their roster and two years ago the Magic made it to the finals. c) Avery Johnson is one of the brightest minds the NBA has ever had. Avery would know how to maximize our roster and Averys contributions from the head coaching vantage point alone would get us to a minimum of the Eastern Conference Finals or the NBA Finals. Averys impact would cause these results. The Hawks decided instead to stand pat with their roster and let other teams get better (a passive approach).

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Nothing but lip service from the Hawks there as transparent as the Obama administration is.

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Shaq is Bean Town Bound !

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