‘Disappointed’ Sund not rushing into decision on Woodson

Mike Woodson is smiling here (with Jeff Teague) but he's still waiting for Rick Sund to make a decision. (Curtis Compton/AJC)

Mike Woodson is smiling here (with Jeff Teague) but he's still waiting for Rick Sund to make a decision. (Curtis Compton/AJC)

There’s a chip on Mike Woodson’s shoulder the size of Mt. Rushmore. That goes to his competitiveness. It goes to studying under Bob Knight. It goes to being thin-skinned when it comes to criticism and seemingly believing that everybody is out to get him.

Well, Woodson should take comfort in this. While many consider his exit from the Hawks a foregone conclusion, Rick Sund is not rushing into any decision on his future. In his first interview since the Hawks were waxed in four straight games by Orlando in the second round of the playoffs, Sund said Wednesday that he was “ecstatic” about the regular season but “disappointed” about the Hawks’ playoff exit and “surprised” at the team’s effort in a 30-point loss at home to the Magic in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference semifinals.

As for insight on Woodson’s future, keep waiting. Sund said he hasn’t even deliberated on the subject yet and has had only brief conversations with the coach, whose contract is expiring.

We all want this done yesterday. Woodson wants this done yesterday. A clause in his contract actually allows him to begin talking to other teams next week. Is Sund concerned? No. In matters such as these, he moves with the pace of moon phases – and there’s nothing wrong with that.

“I don’t have a time frame yet,” he said.

”In the next couple of days I’m going to formulate some thoughts. Write some things down. Analyze. What you have to do is separate emotion from analytical assessment. There’s emotional assessment and analytical assessment. From my standpoint I have to make sure everything we do is from the analytical standpoint.”

Whether he is allowed to keep his job or not, Woodson is in no position to claim Sund is not being fair about this. He is not Joe Fan in Section 119. He is not Bob from Marietta on sport stalk radio. He is not a columnist.

“I want to draw my own conclusions,” he said. “It’s the organization and ownership and management that have to make the decisions.”

He hasn’t asked Atlanta Spirit owners if the decision is his, but it worked that way two years ago. Sund was hired to replace Billy Knight and his first major decision was on whether to keep Woodson, who had an expiring contract. Sund recommended to owners that Woodson be kept but given only a two-year contract. The owners agreed.

“When I came here they said they would go with what I wanted to do,” he said.

One owner already has spoken out. Michael Gearon Jr. said he had high expectations for the team in the postseason. He certainly didn’t expect losing four straight to Orlando by an NBA playoff record 101 points. Gearon indirectly took a shot at Woodson for not giving more minutes to rookie guard Jeff Teague or playing Jason Collins and Joe Smith more in the Orlando series.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest Gearon and Sund have spoken about these things, but Sund wouldn’t comment on Gearon’s quotes.

He said he was a realist before the Orlando series. He had a staff member research the eight teams in the conference semifinals and how they fared against each other. Cleveland (13-7) and Orlando (12-8) had the best records, followed by the Hawks and Los Angeles (both 11-7).

“I knew to beat [Orlando] we were definitely going to have to bring an A game and have them bring a B game,” he said. “As it turned out, we didn’t bring an A game and they did and they spanked us.”

And why did that happen?

“I’m still looking at that,” he said.

So much for insight.

He praised the accomplishment of  53 wins in the regular season. He was less effusive about the playoffs, saying, “I’m disappointed. Everybody is disappointed.”

Asked if a better effort against the Magic would make this an easier decision, Sund said: “You’re talking hypotheticals. I don’t really respond to those.”

Others are in a hurry. But we’re on Sund’s time — and he’s using a sun dial. If Woodson wants to go, there’s the door. But his boss isn’t rushing into anything.

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Hawk n the Ham

May 12th, 2010
7:57 pm

Jay

May 12th, 2010
7:59 pm

I’m also surprised by Woodson’s choice not to give Teague any playing time. He doesn’t like point guards for some reason. I would’ve shook things up by starting Teague and have Bibby come off the bench. We need a coach that has “movement” in his offensive schemes. I was growing tired of the JJ isolation plays. A Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan protege would be nice to have.

FIREMIKEWOODSONEXPRESS

May 12th, 2010
8:04 pm

please I mean all this great coaches our here and the hawls are thinking about keeping this guy around????? Please give me a break. Like I said a few years back on this forum, I’m not supporting the hawks untl they fire woody. And they should not even think about hiring larry drew. From what I’m hearing from a friend whos and assist around the league is that drew & sund are good friends.

Reggie

May 12th, 2010
8:12 pm

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John

May 12th, 2010
8:25 pm

Everyone keeps talking about firing Mike Woodson. People need to realize that had it not been for Mike Woodson this team would have not been where it has been the last 2-3 years. Yes as a Hawks fan I am disappointed that we lost the way we did.All I can say is that Mike Woodson is the best of the available. Unless you tell me Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan, or Pat Riley are available we need to realize that Woodson is the best option. I don’t want to imagine having Mike Fratello, or Doug Collins on our sideline let alone an assistant that has never been given a head coaching job. What we need is consistency at the top. We have too many “Me” players on this team and that needs to change. What we need to do is focus on signing “A” players that can help with leadership of this team. Joe Johnson is too quiet, Josh Smith is too vocal, and Al Horford is just way too young to assume this role.I am not saying dismantle this team by any means because I think we have a great core, we just need to add pieces to the puzzle and need to do it in a smart way. I consider Joe Johnson as our only ” A” player now we wneed to complement him with another “A” player to take some pressur eaway from him. Jamal Crawford is great but lacks defense which killed us in the last 2 games of the Orlando Series.

OldTimer

May 12th, 2010
8:25 pm

53 wins = 29 losses. Until you can win 2 out of 3 STFU.

John

May 12th, 2010
8:35 pm

Win 2 out of 3? R u serious? The Hawks didn’t make the playoffs for 10 years and now that they have the last 3 years you want to get rid of the coach who took them there. Our roster comes no where close to that of Cleveland, Boston, or Orlando. When it does and we don’t win 2 out of 3 then you can talk. Until then you need to STFU.

Leebo

May 12th, 2010
8:48 pm

The decision has already been made. Sund’s just not rushing to announce it.

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robdawg08

May 12th, 2010
9:00 pm

I’m disappointed that Sund is considering keeping Woodson. It is an easy decision. He allowed two players to loaf on defense and play poorly without addressing it appropriately on the sideline during timeouts. A former coach that was commentating saw it immediately and Woody saw it on tape after the game. He’s gotta go.

Ken Strickland

May 12th, 2010
9:13 pm

JOHN-What makes you think Woodson is the only HC that could have made this team into a winner? Do you think he could have done it without BK drafting Smoove, Marvin and Horford, trading for Zaza, JJ and Bibby, or RSund trading for JCrawford and signing FA’s JoSmith, FMurray and MEvans? Woodson was given some serious talent, and he reached the point where he couldn’t handle what he had(THE PETER PRINCIPLE).

hop

May 12th, 2010
9:16 pm

sund is hopeful woody gets another offer so he does not have to do the firing himself, and that could very well happen since so few good coaches are in the league.

woody has brought the hawks to this level but it is clear with the perfromance in the playoffs the last few years that he is outmatched and coached.
woody cannot take this time to another level and now he has lost control of the team to the point that they do not listen to him anymore!

this might take longer than one would think,but woody will get any offer!

gcs

May 12th, 2010
9:23 pm

Jeff Teague, what an awesome pick that turned out to be….

Swatguy

May 12th, 2010
9:28 pm

I believe the more important issue is concerning player personnel. More obvious are the failure of last off-season contracts. Sund MUST move Marvin and Bibby. That has to be in the summer strategy. Sund must bring in another top player ala Bosh, Stoudemire, or Hienrich et al. S@T til we get a top roster. Al and Jamal are the only keepers. As far as Woody, he is a good coach and needs the horses as well as an offensive overhaul. Keep Woody, get him some horses and shake up the assistants.

The Grinch

May 12th, 2010
9:38 pm

Jeff Teague may very well turn into an awesome pick if given a real coach to work with. If Sund does all this careful analysis and decides to keep Woodson, we’ll know he’s just not very bright.

The Grinch

May 12th, 2010
9:45 pm

Even for the disillusioned in Woodson’s corner, y’all have to know that the vast majority of the fanbase and the vast majority of the media think it’s time for a change. Do you really want to go to games next year with less than a thousand in attendance and nobody in the media doing anything but making jokes about us? Time for a change, or the Hawks will be in Seattle soon.

3DawgKnight

May 12th, 2010
10:01 pm

Two things are at work here.
(1) Sund is doing his due diligence developing a short list.
A wise man once said;
“a frog does not leap without knowing where he will land.”
(2) Woodson is lining up his options as well.

Get Real

May 12th, 2010
10:20 pm

Be careful what you wish for. Woody did not motivate his team in the second round, but should you have to? The players are the ones who got embarrassed for four games. Should a coach make you want to compete?

The only two that did compete were Jamal and Al. That is it! Woody should have played Teague more but Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby give him nothing and are being paid millions!

Outside of Jamal Crawford (and maybe Teague because we don’t know), no one on the bench can score.

Bibby is a shell of himself, Joe Johnson has the personality and big game capability of a worn shoe, Josh Smith is lazy and a turnover machine when he’s bad and was called out for it on TV, Marvin is useless, Zaza is clumsy, Mo Evans is average, Mario, Randolph and Jason Collins don’t have enough talent.

Phil Jackson has never had to coach a mess like this. He has stars and a solid team. We need some too. The team is short-handed because we picked Marvin Williams and Sheldon Williams when we were bad enough to be in the lottery…oops.

Rick Sund, please fix this.

Justafan

May 12th, 2010
10:21 pm

BS —Fire Woody asp. Sund needs to hear the Fans and what the owner said yesterday. Make the move.

rusty

May 12th, 2010
10:29 pm

if sund decides to keep him he is dumber than wooey who is mighty dumb. joe chokes because he is a choker.his pounding the ball destoys any offensive ball movement or player movement. he disrupts all continuity.

Not Drinking the Kool - Aid

May 12th, 2010
10:36 pm

Hey John, we all appreciate what Woody has done over the past few years in making the Hawks competitive. But, I think it is a forgone conclusion that Woody needs to go. The playoffs are a microcosm of exactly why Woodson needs to leave:
1. Lack of effort by the team. Quitting in games they are getting blasted in by Orlando and Milwaukee an inferior team.
2. Starters tuning Woody out in time outs with obvious frustration on their face. I have even heard Mike Bibby(veteran point guard) make smart remarks concerning Woody’s adjustments on TV.
3. No developement of new, young talent. For example, Salim Stoudamire, Acie Law, and even Jeff Teague, who we all kind tell is talented.
4.No offensive schemes, even out of time outs no plays but iso-Joe, no movement by players off the ball, no double screens around the baseline, and very little pick and roll basketball, and obvious weapon against teams with big centers like D. Howard and Orlando.
5. Very few in game adjustments, if not for desperation at the end of the season when the Hawks are getting blowed out Woodson only calls time outs when it is too late,and after halftime very few adjustments.
6. No defininitive style: Most teams develop a style of play after a certain point in the season. Earlier in the season everyone agreed Hubie Brown, K. Smith and Barkley, other coaches, D. Wilkins, most fans agreed the Hawks were at their best when they run to capitalize on athleticism. When they did this you ended up with great wins at Boston, at Houston, and against the Lakers and Orlando at home in the regular season. This disappeared as the season went on. I blame this squarely on the coach. Other coaches can discuss adjustments with TNT announcers after halftime. Woody always says “we didn’t defend”, “we didn’t rebound”, “we’re just not shooting the ball well”.
Well Woody, tell us something we don’t know. If the TNT announcer ask a loyal fan what is wrong with the Hawks I guess we should say ” Woody can’t coach, obviously!!!”
Just let Woody go!!!

Give me a break

May 12th, 2010
11:10 pm

Woody and his 53 wins looked like what in the playoffs? Outcoached and nearly beaten by a team with far less talent in the first round. Beaten by an NBA record in the second round (and outcoached again).

This team got where it did because of:

The addition of Mike Bibby.
The addition of Jamal Crawford.
The growth of Al Horford.
The growth of Josh Smith, who still has more growing to do.
The talent of Joe Johnson.

Woody is not responsible for any of this. None of it. Keep riding his jock, right out of town. Please. We don’t need his supporters anymore than we need him.

northcyde

May 12th, 2010
11:19 pm

Not Drinking the Kool – Aid

May 12th, 2010
10:36 pm

Hey John, we all appreciate what Woody has done over the past few years in making the Hawks competitive. But, I think it is a forgone conclusion that Woody needs to go. The playoffs are a microcosm of exactly why Woodson needs to leave:

1. Lack of effort by the team. Quitting in games they are getting blasted in by Orlando and Milwaukee an inferior team.

Effort is usually an ingrained trait of a player. A lot of people praise Scott Skiles for what Milwaukee did this year. But people forget that Skiles was the coach of the Bucks LAST YEAR, when they sucked and lacked effort across the board. Skiles and the Bucks organization had to bring in 6 or 7 new players, in order to get that effort.

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2. Starters tuning Woody out in time outs with obvious frustration on their face. I have even heard Mike Bibby(veteran point guard) make smart remarks concerning Woody’s adjustments on TV.

That is a lack of respect for the coach. But doesn’t that speak more negatively on the player? Smoove was called out in Game 4 for watching “Kiss Cam” instead of listening to the coach. That’s on Smoove, not the coach. The coach was doing his job in that situation

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3. No developement of new, young talent. For example, Salim Stoudamire, Acie Law, and even Jeff Teague, who we all kind tell is talented.

Both Acie and Salim receive playing time during their rookie years. They got ample chances to prove themselves. But they just couldn’t get the job done on a consistent basis . . or they stayed hurt all the time. Teague didn’t get the chances that those two had. But in my opinion, he’s not as talented as Salim and Acie was either. We’ll see this next year.

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4.No offensive schemes, even out of time outs no plays but iso-Joe, no movement by players off the ball, no double screens around the baseline, and very little pick and roll basketball, and obvious weapon against teams with big centers like D. Howard and Orlando.

No argument here. He did depend on the ISO offense a lot. But then again, he didn’t have a PG worth a damn or a big man who could create his own offense down on the block. This was NOT a complete team, and people know this.

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5. Very few in game adjustments, if not for desperation at the end of the season when the Hawks are getting blowed out Woodson only calls time outs when it is too late,and after halftime very few adjustments.

You don’t win 53 games without a legit PG and a good scoring big man down low, if you’re not coaching and/or making adjustments. He may not have made EVERY adjustment. And he was definitely out-coached in the playoffs.

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6. No defininitive style: Most teams develop a style of play after a certain point in the season. Earlier in the season everyone agreed Hubie Brown, K. Smith and Barkley, other coaches, D. Wilkins, most fans agreed the Hawks were at their best when they run to capitalize on athleticism. When they did this you ended up with great wins at Boston, at Houston, and against the Lakers and Orlando at home in the regular season. This disappeared as the season went on. I blame this squarely on the coach. Other coaches can discuss adjustments with TNT announcers after halftime. Woody always says “we didn’t defend”, “we didn’t rebound”, “we’re just not shooting the ball well”.
Well Woody, tell us something we don’t know. If the TNT announcer ask a loyal fan what is wrong with the Hawks I guess we should say ” Woody can’t coach, obviously!!!”
Just let Woody go!!!

In those games you mentioned, a big reason for those wins was the play of ISO-JOE. The Hawks ran when they rebounded the basketball and played defense. When they didn’t rebound and defend well, they didn’t run . . and they didn’t win on most nights. People act like this team was clueless for most of the year, and that Joe Johnson ( even in ISO mode ) was garbage. LOL . . you don’t win 53 games in the season and see the ISO player make 3rd team All-NBA, if things were going so wrong here. We needed ( and still need ) a PG who can run the show, and at least a defensive big man to defend good centers. We were at top 10 team ALL YEAR. Not once did we fall below the 4th seed in the East. NOT ONE TIME. We had a very disappointing year, but this team was nowhere near as bad as people want to make them out to be.

Hawks had a VERY GOOD regular season, and a poor postseason.

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northcyde

May 12th, 2010
11:22 pm

we had a very disappointing END OF THE YEAR . . ( that should read )

heat check

May 12th, 2010
11:23 pm

Woodson is getting waaay too much credit from some of you. If you’d been watching Hawks games prior to a couple weeks ago, you’d know he’s in over his head. The wins have gone up as the team has added pieces (and avoided injuries in an awful conference). The only reason Woodson even got the job in the first place was because he was old teammates with BK. And of course because of his defensive wizardry. He would’ve got the boot 2yrs ago if it wasn’t for the BOS series….

Sund is scaring me. This isn’t a tough decision. He’s going to get around to thinking about it while other teams scoop up the best available coaches out there? Awesome.

TomB

May 12th, 2010
11:40 pm

Sund does not impress me in the least. First, he’s had all year to analyze the situation. He knows if the team gives effort or not, and how the coach does his job. What is this crap: I’m going to formulate some thoughts over the next few days and write it down. Hell, a GM worth his salt is already prepared to give his answer to the owners. There’s no need to even mention emotion to this decision. Everyone knows this is irrelevant. And, when did effort become a hypothetical? Maybe winning against Orlando would be a hypothetical, but effort? When your team doesn’t give effort then you have bigger problems than deciding on a new coach. Get rid of these clowns, Sund and Woodson, and then start with the million dollar players who don’t give effort every night.

ReddJonn68

May 12th, 2010
11:44 pm

Hello ATL we are not going anywhere until we have an understanding ,you AIN’T that good , we are a 2nd tier team at best !!!! We have not drafted a Matt Ryan 2 turn it around , if Josh is the leader then so be it , let his game evolve. You guys never thought that K.G. could get it done. I used 2 love myself some Vick, but he’s an idiot & gone . Wake up, who are we gone get to come in & change the future of this Franchise right fn-now. This summer is one the worst ever , because everybody wants 2 get paid & don’t want a fight 4 a championship, can u say maxx contract . You don’t think given the way the the playoffs have gone that any of these young men will step up 2 the plate, other than ORLDo U got nothing . If LAs legs can last we got a series. This formula has been going on 4 yrs look at Phils rings, he doesn’t coach 2nd tier teams !!!!!!!

JSS

May 12th, 2010
11:57 pm

You know, the more I look at this, Josh Smith may really need to man up and pull a Delonte West and ask for help. The long time and vocal Hawks followers may “ding” for that comment; but he’s been in the league long enough to have a “professional’s attention span.” He does not seem to as severe as West (clinically bi-polar); moreover I’m not going to pull a “BugKiller” and try to diagnosis a grown man. That is what doctors go to psychiatry school for and get “licensed” by professional boards to do… However, what does he have to really lose? He may get to the root of why seems to lapse into the most indefensible of behaviors, LAZINESS!

ReddJonn68

May 13th, 2010
12:04 am

I thought this was a Woodson & Sund blog ,so why are we even talking about Teague? If Teague would save my paycheck & get me 2 the conference finals , he would step off the bus in his uniform !!!!

Feudfinder

May 13th, 2010
12:06 am

I like the way Rick Sund is handling this situation,especially doing it from analytical standpoint. Whatever his decision is,will be well taken by reasonable fans.

ReddJonn68

May 13th, 2010
12:23 am

Ok northcyde where do you propose Management & Sund will come up with this extra money 2 make any type of significant move, given U can’t maxx a contract( U won’t sell Luxury Boxes, with this yrs results), & season ticket sales will be down due 2 your playoff results ????

Saabotager

May 13th, 2010
12:53 am

Fire Woodson…puhleeze. Get real folks. Granted Woodson made some mistakes, but the effort from the players were atrocious. Woody put the best talent on the floor based on matchups. No one wanted to step up and be the hero. Rick Sund is following in Billy Knight’s footstep by not addressing the Hawks needs. How do you fire a coach with a progressively successful win record as this guy. You can go down the list and point out basic fundamental mistakes by everyone who played. Effort…effort…and effort is what was lacking. Too much standing around, individual play, and turnovers to name a few killed the hawks chances. Did you expect Woody to change the lineup? Who on the bench would replace Joe Johnson points, Josh Smith rebounds, Jamal Crawford’s creativity, Al Horford’s tenaciousness, Marvin Williams whatever he brings, and Mike Bibby generalship. Give Woody a break. Joe Johnson is so inconsistent from night to night. One would think this would be the best playoff series of his career. He average a paltry 12.75 points against Orlando…YIKES! I bet he wants superstar money to boot. Alright you clowns this is what is gonna happen if the Hawks get rid of Woody. All continuity is gone. The Hawks are back to where they were four years ago.

TomB

May 13th, 2010
12:54 am

Hey Feudfinder, How else does he make a decision then from a analytical standpoint? Why even mention this crap? Everyone knows how managers make decisions. Sund could do without the lecturing about his decision making process. Its his decisions that matter. We just want some damn results.

Nite Owl

May 13th, 2010
1:22 am

Listen to Hubie Brown’s interview on 790’s website—he gives an exhaustive clinic on how Woody got outcoached in the Magic series (and the Bucks series, for that matter).

If you like Woody, you blame it on the players. I get that. But the bottom line is these guys are a very talented bunch who can pull one good game against top competition in the regular season, but they couldn’t sustain it for a playoff series.

Woody was handed a talented collection of players. It’s his job to figure out how the pieces fit. Give them defined roles and spend the regular season getting them ready to take on the big boys in the playoffs. Then anticipate the X’s and O’s of the playoffs. Make adjustments to what the Bucks are doing, what the Magic are doing.

Instead, we get a rudderless ship, but we blame the guys rowing. Gearon is absolutely right. We got Teague to handle quick point guards like Jennings and Nelson, but Woody didn’t get him ready. We got Joe Smith (leadership, toughness) and Jason Collins (another big body to bang with Howard). Woody wasted them completely.

There was no consistency, no defined roles, no anticipation of what the other team would do X’s and O’s-wise. No in-game adjustments. Just “defend and rebound.” Well, duh.

Here’s hoping we get a new coach who knows what the hell he’s doing. Hopefully he will make a backcourt of Teague and Crawford work; he’ll discipline Josh Smith so he keeps that steely-eyed determination full-time. We can still be the Pistons of a few years ago, as Woody hoped for. Problem is, Larry Brown wasn’t coaching this team.

P. Bull Terrier

May 13th, 2010
1:27 am

Hawk n the Ham – I don’t usually click on links that people post on here, but I’m glad I clicked on yours.

That’s a great ad, but I think I’ll pass. The price is too high for what you get.

Nite Owl

May 13th, 2010
1:29 am

One other thing, by the way. Please stop citing that the Hawks won more games each year with Woody.

First of all, the bar started pretty low at 13 wins.

Second of all, it took about five years to get to 50 wins. Uh, congratulations? Does that make the coach in Oklahoma City the next John Wooden?

Lastly, if Woody takes the credit for that, then he needs to take the blame for the playoff wins NOT going up, and for getting crushed in the second round even worse than last year.

And even if you throw out everything I just said, none of it matters. They tuned him out. It’s time for a new voice.

Nite Owl

May 13th, 2010
1:39 am

Ack, one last thing before hitting the hay. The Hubie Brown interview may have been 680. Whatever. I listen to whichever one isn’t on a commercial, unless that hack Colin Cowherd is on. What a wanker.

Saabotager

May 13th, 2010
1:58 am

I guess Hubie Brown should know he has the same playoff record as Woodson. I agree with one point you make, Nite Owl, I think Joe Smith should have played. As for Jason Collins and Jeff Teague, it is obvious that Jason Collins should not be in the NBA. Teague on the otherhand is a project that may conribute some day. Larry Brown, c’mon man, he finished a job Rick Carlsile started. I don’t give him much credit for the Piston’s success.

Give me a break

May 13th, 2010
2:01 am

Nite Owl makes sense. Northcyde makes excuses. Woody makes a mess. Bye bye Woody.

Give me a break

May 13th, 2010
2:05 am

Hubie Brown had nothing to work with in Memphis and took a team from not competing to playoffs in about two season. Woodson had two all-stars and one that should have been. He took a team from competing in the playoffs to getting embarrassed in the playoffs. Stop living in his underwear, the guy sucks. Jason Collins and Jeff Teague did not lose those games or even play. Larry Brown won a trophy and even took Allen Iverson and a bunch of nobodies to the Finals once. Or are you going to say Carlisle did that as well. Carlisle got fired and now he is screwing the neighborhood dog in Dallas with another talented team that got knocked out in the first round. Do you know anything at all about basketball.

Not Drinking the Kool - Aid

May 13th, 2010
2:26 am

Northcyde, I don’t get your point. If a point guard and a big man are needed then isn’t it the coaches job to get this information to management and ownership? Wasn’t it Woody who wanted Mike Bibby resigned last summer when their were plenty of nice free agent point guards to be had in a deal last summer? Why didn’t Woody make a play for Brendan Haywood like Dallas? If all season, matter of fact we all have said the Hawks have needed a big man for the last 2 or 3 years. Most people have been begging for Marcus Camby. This is either your coach, gm, or owners fault. The owners are not going anywhere. Rick Sund isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Your team is young and talented they just don’t listen to Woody. So, to get more out of your team hire a good coach. A good coach can do wonders for a team. Look at what Doc Rivers is doing with Boston against Lebron and company. Woody is not going to change anything he is stubborn and all the more stupid for it. Hire Avery Johnson, Thibodeaux, Byron Scott, Lawrence Franks, or Dwayne Casey and you will definitely see effort and improvement and probably a team which the Hawks really are not at this point. Woody = Flawed Coaching. (Even Steven Wonder could see this!!!)

Big Ray

May 13th, 2010
2:34 am

Well, what didn’t help was Woody admitting after the season was over that Mike Bibby has slowed down and probably needs to back down off the minutes, and likely the starting job. I mean, Woody didn’t come right out and say it, but he was implying it.

Ok, so when did he begin thinking this way? Why not get Teague just a bit more prepared, so he could start taking the pressure off of Bibby? Having Jamal play all the minutes at backup pg was not a great idea, because Jamal is NOT a pg. He killed us in the playoffs. There was nothing he did that helped facilitate or initiate the offense. The man came in and gunned it (and missed).

I hate when Woody does that. Either recognize the issues as they develop, or ignore them. But for cripes sake STOP telling us about it WELL AFTER the fact, and then making yourself look like an arse. Ugh!

Dr. Warren

May 13th, 2010
2:36 am

Correction: Orlando’s 12-8 record against the final 8 teams was actually slightly worse–not better–than the Hawks’ and Lakers’. Just do the math.

Big Ray

May 13th, 2010
2:38 am

The other thing is, in this League, the coach has the most tenuous job. There is only one thing guaranteed: if things don’t go well, you are the first one to get a ticket out of town.

Fair or not, it’s the way it goes. As far as coaching, former Pistons Head Coach Chuck Daly said it best:

“This is a player’ League. If you don’t have the respect of the players, you won’t get far.”

He’s right. Woody does not have these guys’ respect. How else can you explain it when the whole team goes ISO or does what they want at the first sign of adversity? If Woody is calling the right plays on the sidelines, then why aren’t the players listening to him? If Woody is doing everything right, then the players MUST NOT be listening to him. Show me a GM who will ship all, most, or even a significant chunk of players out of town just because a coach says they won’t listen, and I’ll show you a coach who can and will work in the same place forever.

And if you name anybody other than Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, or Greg Popovich, I’ll call you a liar.

Big Ray

May 13th, 2010
2:40 am

Dr. Warren,

You wouldn’t have known that by the average of 25 point defeats in this series. Ugh…

Not Drinking the Kool - Aid

May 13th, 2010
2:41 am

Well said Big Ray!!

Conyers Hawk Fan

May 13th, 2010
4:21 am

It is interesting to read all of the fan`s opinions. However, Sund is right.
It is the responsibility and right of a team`s management and ownership
to make the decisions without letting the opinions and emotions of
mostly uninformed and unknowledgeable fans influence them.
If the fans don`t like the decisions, they do not have to buy tickets.

Maxx

May 13th, 2010
5:19 am

I’m ok with JJ leaving if we sign Chris Bosh

dap01

May 13th, 2010
6:55 am

Sund: Analyze this, Woody is horrible!

Does he develop anyone?
Can he coach offense?
Can he coach defense?
Can he make adjustments?
Other than these small issues, he is great!