If Roethlisberger skates, Goodell will face a race debate

Intellibird

April 13th, 2010
7:44 pm

First time, first. Nope, no difference. Suspend him as long as he thinks is necessary. Whole season wouldn’t bother me. Go Falcons!

FalconsFan284

April 13th, 2010
7:48 pm

The young lady in the second photo is HOT!!!!

mike

April 13th, 2010
7:52 pm

Sit him.

falcondawg

April 13th, 2010
7:53 pm

Roethlisberge conduct is worthy of a suspension. He just doen’t seem to “get it’. I think 4 games is about right. If no suspension is forthcoming it will be rightfully questioned was it due to the fact that he is white.

mike

April 13th, 2010
7:53 pm

Agreed. She is hot.

devildog

April 13th, 2010
7:58 pm

Ben needs to be suspended. Given his track record of two sexual assults he needs to be suspended for at least half of the season. How many players that were African American were suspended for being accused of less.

povox

April 13th, 2010
8:01 pm

Send Ben home for a few. Start the brunette in the second pic!

Aaron

April 13th, 2010
8:01 pm

Falcondawg, I disagree. There is no way Goodell is thinking to himself, “since Ben is white, there is no way I am going to suspend him.” If he does not get suspended it is not just because he is white. Why say something like that? The black people he suspended all did something very wrong and were found guilty. Ben was not. In the end, I am sure he will suspend him for two games just so he does not have to hear it from the “reverend” Jesse Jackson because you know he, and good ole Sharpton, would be all over them as they are any chance they get. Also, the chick in the pic is hot but her nose looks odd.

SteelScorpio

April 13th, 2010
8:02 pm

There are three differnet phases: “Accused” of a crime, then “Charged” with a crime, then “Convicted” of a crime.

Ben has only ever been “accused”.

Everyone else who has recieved a suspension at the least has been “Charged”.

I can make accusations all day long, but until there is evidence stemming from those accusations to warrant a “charge”, then the accusations must be concluded to be baseless.

Aaron

April 13th, 2010
8:03 pm

Devildog what your black people did was a lot worse and even involved weapons. That was all proven. What if this chick involved with Ben is full of crap? We will never know.

George

April 13th, 2010
8:10 pm

It still takes two to tango. Yes, the guys are usually the more aggressive sex. But not unlike the Tiger Woods situation, there was a woman (many of them actually) involved. What’s a rich, attractive, famous guy to do when these women throw themselves at you? Temptation is a gun.

Russ4Heisman.net

April 13th, 2010
8:15 pm

And how dumb does ESPN now look for refusing to report the first sexual assault allegation?

L.Luciano

April 13th, 2010
8:15 pm

Ben needs to be saddled w/ a 4 game suspension. And right now.
And if the Tahoe thing doesn’t play out in his favor (like the GA fiasco most certainly did – and for the reasons you alluded to), a one year suspension or more is in order – but in either case it’d be to the benefit of the league and the franchise if the suspension(s) came from the Steelers. It seems that 30-40% of sports headlines these days are related to legal and/ or moral issues. Sports pages have become more like the National Enquirer – giving ink to stupidity, not talent; displaying photos of
failings as opposed to trophies. Black or white doesn’t matter. It’s all gotta change.

UGA Mumm-Ra

April 13th, 2010
8:16 pm

Suspending Roethlisberger to avoid a race debate is no reason to suspend him. Having said that, Roethlisberger deserves to be suspended. The first line you referenced from the 2007 letter (Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league) could easily be written to Roethlisberger. He should not be suspended to avoid a race debate. He should be suspended because he’s an idiot, and his actions warrant suspension.

getitstraight

April 13th, 2010
8:18 pm

Aaron, first, if we are going to have a reasoned debate, let’s stop with the “your black people” quotes. I guess only “my black people” fight in clubs and fight dogs!!! Those black people were U.S. citizens just like Big Ben. Second, lets stop comparing crimes when they all were of a horrendus nature. Being accused of sexual assault twice in two years is awful and embarrassing for the league. If one was to read the letter Mr. Shultz provided above, everything that has occurred sticks to Big Ben like glue. A precedent has been sent. The NFL is a business. What if you owned or had a share in this business. Could you honestly look your other employees in the eye and keep an alleged rapist on your staff. What say you?

Aaron

April 13th, 2010
8:20 pm

Patriotssuckwanky – Typical loser from the northeast. I also bet he is about 15 years old. Poor little boy.

falcondawg

April 13th, 2010
8:23 pm

Aaron, I don’t remember anybody in the NFL that has recently been accused of sexually assaulting two women. It is starting to look like a trend if you ask me. The NFL has a “personl conduct policy” . That means that the commisioner has the right to suspend a player if his conduct is detrimental to the league. I think that Big Ben’s conduct falls into this category. I am curious as to what you think of Kobe’s “situation” a few years back?

catsFly

April 13th, 2010
8:23 pm

Looks like there are plenty of scum among the superstar sports figures. You can apply this moniker to whomever you feel has deserved it. Vick, Packman, Tiger, Ben. I couldn’t argue with you.

Oh Really?

April 13th, 2010
8:24 pm

Little (brain) Ben supposedly admitted during questioning that he and his ‘entourage’ bought shots for the underage girls, but the D.A. said that he will not prosecute those misdemeanor charges since the victim just wants it all to end. Based on his admitted guilt to furnishing alcohol to underage girls, that alone is worth a suspension in light of the ‘unprovable’ charges. An almost 30 year old man taking his goons and barhopping with 19 year old girls and getting them drunk so he can do things that later are unprovable. Sounds like you’re a REAL MAN, Big Ben. I think Goodell will think so too.

BMLocal26

April 13th, 2010
8:24 pm

You said players arrested, but not covicted of a crime. Was Big Ben arrested? No. But you are pronouncing him guilty as charged. Believe me, if Baldwin Co. or the State of Ga. had anything on him, there would be a warrant out for him right now. Georgia loves to put people in prison.
Shultz you are the Glenn ‘the weasle’ Beck and Rush Limslob rolled into one, of the AJC sports hacks.

Rheumatism

April 13th, 2010
8:25 pm

PSW… because Ben is one of the best in the league is the reason for the suspension, he is the face of the NFL. And when the NFL is described as a drunk rowdy bunch and not a classy organization is when it ceases to become the NFL and starts to become something like…. well… the NBA. and nobody wants that.

Tim

April 13th, 2010
8:25 pm

Anytime a woman stands to gain a couple mil off a super-star one has to wonder, could she have faked the whole thing? And why not target a guy who already has had another sex charge brought against him? The first (even though it was dropped) would add more weight to the second. Maybe he did it, but maybe he didn’t.

steelerssuck

April 13th, 2010
8:25 pm

send him home so he can get a haircut and shave..dang dirtbag

Aaron

April 13th, 2010
8:26 pm

If Kobe didn’t do it, why did he settle out of court with probably millions? I know if someone accused me of something I did not do, there is no way in hell I would just settle out of court and pay them. I would prove my innocents.

Yunel Asscobar

April 13th, 2010
8:37 pm

Jeff – good piece and though a real stunner in pic #2, Ben is an embarasment to the NFL and should be suspended. On another topic, since Wren is obviously playing out of position and overmatched as Braves GM, is there a way the league could suspend him as well? GManagerial malpractice?

elviskl

April 13th, 2010
8:39 pm

LOT OF DIFF BETWEEN A CONVICTED DOG THUG KILLER AND SOMEONE NOT EVEN CHARGED…….BY THE WAY, WHERE IS THE DOG KILLER AND ALL HIS ATLANTA FANS THAT WERE AT THE PILLY GAME IN ATL?

L.Luciano

April 13th, 2010
8:42 pm

I stand that the apparently “Not So Gene Ben” needs a suspension but I’ve yet see / hear one pundit mention that the police report indicated a white male w/ Bens exact ht. /wt as it’s shown on his Steelers Profile page. anyone?

WreckinBall

April 13th, 2010
8:47 pm

Shultz you’re an agitator.
But, the NFL should definitely suspend Big Ben, for the game the Steelers play against the Falcons, in 2010 anyway.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
8:53 pm

He screwed up big time. Happens to all of us. Doesn’t it?

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

Oh yeah, I work out.

DAWG07

April 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

Concur! Seems like trend in the wrong direction. He is a slow learner.
Have always been a Steeler fan. Would like to see someone at QB.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

Steelers fans have always taken the short bus.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
8:58 pm

Ask Terry Bradshaw.

SimpleDawg

April 13th, 2010
9:00 pm

I’m not sure what there is more of in these comments…..ignorance or hatred.

Some of you people write like English is your second or third language. Some are in need of professional help. Some of y’all just need a nap.

Another…Beam me up, Scotty.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:02 pm

Beam yourself up.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:03 pm

I’ve been to Boston, women have mustaches. Didn’t work for me.

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
9:06 pm

Let’s go over the facts one more time: Big Ben has never been arrested or criminally charged with sexual assualt. His “crime” was being a 28 year old single male who was out on the town looking for some action with the ladies (shock and dismay!). I am sure that none of you, while in your twenties, hung out in bars trying to hook up with women…(sarcasm off). The woman had been admitted to a “hot” bar in a college town so the strong presumption by Big Ben and everyone else (doorman, bartender, waitress) was that she was 21+. In all likelihood she had a fake ID (shock and dismay again!) and was telling everyone she was of age. So you have a 28 year old single male hooking up with a woman who is ostensibly 21 years old. What’s all the fuss. And Jeff, I’m shocked that you would play the race card on this case. If Big Ben is suspended it will be because of all the sportswriters and black “fans” beating the drums for “equal treatment” when there is not a similar case out there.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:09 pm

There is a reason you have crabs.

Ben ate a Furberger

April 13th, 2010
9:11 pm

Suspend the idiot. This guy is putting himself into bad situations. He’s not a very smart man – ask Forrest Gump.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:11 pm

You’d have better luck if you locked up the Latinos.

SlimG

April 13th, 2010
9:12 pm

u dumba$$e$, the girl made up the whole story. Know a few people who were actually at the club. This was a publicity stunt by the capital club. So a young adult parties, who didn’t.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:13 pm

Seriously folks, Ben’s problem is two fold, he’s fat and he’s ugly. That combination doesn’t work on anyones menu.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
9:14 pm

He and CHOKE should be sharing a cell, for all the money he stole from the Falcons

But seriously, this would not be the first time that there was racial bias in the NFL.

Nothing would surprise me.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:16 pm

Are you related to Mike “Choke a puppy” VIck?

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:20 pm

Lester you’re dead, get over it.

Fan

April 13th, 2010
9:21 pm

Are we sure Terrance Moore didn’t hijack Schultzie’s blog?
Jeff, your deductive logic fails as there is no link between the grouping of the first three, you say black, everyone else including Goddell say all arrested, and Rothlisberger. All arrested = suspension, suspension does not = black. Rothlisberger, while not black, was also not arrested. The ‘therefore’ doesn’t hold with the majority of logical thinking readers.

JimC

April 13th, 2010
9:21 pm

At the very least, Roethlisberger should be suspended for several games if Goodell is serious about cleaning up misbehavior. The color of the offender’s skin should absolutely not matter.

Just for the record, in this case, it’s probably a wad of cash and a new police car for the locals.

J B STONER

April 13th, 2010
9:22 pm

CONFEDERATE CITIZENS OF THE SOUTH……..CONVICT THE YANKEE SOB…..FOR BEING HERE TO BEGIN WITH……

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:22 pm

Fan has a point Jeff.

thunderbull56

April 13th, 2010
9:22 pm

And they moderate me over on DOB’s blogovanniavich.Thanks for the first photo Jeff. Looks like Ben just left the shower with a hangover.Key word;Knucklehead;second key word; Sports! Every,not just some, every pro sports franchise suffers “Rock Star Syndrome”.”Member” the Falcons Super Bowl BJ incident.Why, if it’s good enough for the Commander and Chief, it’s good enough fo me by god! Nowhere is there a double standard exercised like there is in sports.Kobe,Tiger,Ben,Micheal,Chipper.Sorry Chip, couldn’t resist.Keeps you guys employed between innings,quarters,halves.

Carrot Top

April 13th, 2010
9:23 pm

JB, go back to being Lester.

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
9:28 pm

Hmmm, let me see… dogkiller or possible serial rapist. Hmmm, do i care for my dogs more than i care for my little white daughter? What a dilemna. Hmmm, i hate Pacman for making it rain, i hate M.Vick for killing those furry thing that i like kissing on the mouth(after they lick their splits). But i love me some Ruthlessraper, and he looks different than those other guys. The commisioner has already set a standard, so what happens if he backs down now. That makes it kind of iffy for Ruthlessraper! OH I KNOW, i’ll just claim blacks are playing the race card, and after that everything will be a-ok, and i can go back to lamblacking the thugs, and all my friends will have my back. Hmmm, how clever of me.

34

April 13th, 2010
9:32 pm

That “chick” in the second picture is a man.

JimC

April 13th, 2010
9:33 pm

crabapplejoe makes some good points, but to be consistent, the NFL has to at least “put the fear of God” into this fellow by enforcing its personal conduct policy. There are responsibilities that come with his supersize paycheck. He needs to learn that.

Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans

April 13th, 2010
9:36 pm

Four to six games sounds about right. He puts himself in position for these things to happen, guilty or not.

If he were convicted of a felony, he should be banned for life, just like other felons who are STILL playing. Goodell has been soft on criminals.

To speak of “integrity of the game,” while allowing ANY convicted felon to EVER play, is laughable beyond belief.

JimC

April 13th, 2010
9:36 pm

I don’t waste my time reading Terrence Moore any more. I’ll take Jeff’s column any time.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:37 pm

Damn Shultz, see what you started! I bet you’re just kicking back, smokin herb, and laughing your tail off! On a serious note- I listen to Sirius NFL radio and the people in Steeler nation are fed up with “hassenfeffers” antics, I say “off with his head” _which ONE? I’ll let YOU decide! LOL

JAmes

April 13th, 2010
9:38 pm

Everyone here seems angry. Chill out.

He doesn’t deserve to be suspended for sexual assault, he deserves to be suspended for hanging out in Milledgeville. What kind of doofus goes to bars in Milledgeville (no offense, GCSU alums)? Especially when he can just have women brought to him?

And carrot top, are you just antagonizing everyone? I have to say, good work.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:40 pm

They need to suspend his ass. Rapistberger. What Vick dod was terrible, but raping women is 10x worse.

Vick. NFL Starting QB 2010 by week 6. I hope he gets to crush the falcons again

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Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:41 pm

He won’t be suspende thoough. He’s white.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:42 pm

Hey welcome back DickSupporter! I see they let you out on parole!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:42 pm

The Great Mike Vick Has Returned

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
9:42 pm

Seriously folks, a suspension of Big Ben could set a really troubling precedent for the league. Think about it for a moment. Any opposing team (or fan) could set any player up by sending in an underage girl with a fake ID to any club where NFL players congregate (I know, I know..some of you don’t believe that pro athletes actually go to clubs and chase women!). All she has to do is then allege a sexual assault, which she withdraws several weeks later. Then the fans go crazy and call for his head and Goddell has to suspend him. Your team is now playing against a team without its star player. C’mon people…get real.

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
9:43 pm

Hmmm, i wonder if “m.sadly”, “d.o. ledbelly”, or “sgt shultz” is going to have a serial rapist rotation every two to three weeks. it’s a formula that’s been used before. it makes it easy to write a column when there’s grist for the mill so easily obtainable.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:43 pm

Don’t worry though, I kept your momma real warm and fuzzy! Although, she’s is one stank ho!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:44 pm

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:42 pm
Hey welcome back DickSupporter! I see they let you out on parole!
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Welcome back florida falcon!!! I see you just gout out of rehab for Meth!!

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
9:44 pm

@JAmes: Big Ben has a place on Lake Oconee….its the nearest town with a watering hole.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:45 pm

Weren’t you on the protected unit? While in the pen? A “special” inmate!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:45 pm

Rapistberger raping women = one game suspension

Vick fighting dogs = 2 years in prison.

What a country

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:46 pm

@VS-What in hell does “gout out” mean? English please, you baboon!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:48 pm

florida falcon

you ever heard of a typo? I forgot, caucasians don’t make typos. I apologize master

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:48 pm

I hope they throw the book on Rapistberger too, and I hope they take down Brees and the Saints on some trumped up charges! We need all the help we can get next year! LOL

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:50 pm

VS- I’m not a white boy. Just wanting to welcome you back into the fold. I must admit that I missed your moronic posts. They are childish, yet entertaining, you’ve become our “village idiot”.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:50 pm

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:48 pm
I hope they throw the book on Rapistberger too, and I hope they take down Brees and the Saints on some trumped up charges! We need all the help we can get next year! LOL
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You’re right about that..the falcons SUCK. Damn noodle armed QB has been exposed. You better hope he took some roids over the summer so he can complete a deep out….maybe stretch the field for once

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2010
9:51 pm

I do think Goodell’s enforcement of the conduct policy has been racially unequal. Nick Kazcur was implicated in a federal drug case and had to wear a wire for the Feds to avoid getting charged, and yet he avoided suspension. Michael Vick was suspended a day after his indictment, while Matt Jones — who was arrested at gunpoint for felony possession of cocaine — managed to avoid getting suspended for six months after his arrest. It doesn’t take a lot of imagination — even for me, as a non-black man — to see the racial inequality.

That said, everyone Goodell has suspended has at least been charged. As much evidence as there is in the court of public opinion against Roethlisberger, if he’s not charged with a crime, it’s hard to make a case that he should be suspended based on the precedent Goodell has set.

The irony of it all, to me, is that players were getting into the same amount of trouble under the Tagliabue administration and got only a fraction of the media coverage. The one overriding effect of Goodell’s conduct policy has been to draw far more public attention to the NFL’s crime record than ever before. If the goal of Goodell’s policy was to improve the image of NFL players, it has completely backfired.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
9:51 pm

VS-Apology accepted.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:52 pm

florida falcon

Moronic? Because I support Vick having a second chance? I’ve dropped so much knowledge on these threads…I’m a legend on here….I own this sh!t

Real American

April 13th, 2010
9:54 pm

Najeh Davenpoop …..excellent points!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:54 pm

I haven’t been on here in a while…the falcons are nothing to talk about until the word “Vick” is mentioned. People seem to come alive then….say the word “Ryan” and you hear crickets,lol

Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans

April 13th, 2010
9:56 pm

Character is the reason for banning a felon for life. For example, if Michael Vick were willing to commit the felony of dog fighting, would he also be willing to commit the felony of shaving points? He openly admitted that he didn’t go all-out in a handful of games. Could there be an ulterior motive behind dogging-it, in his case? We’ll never know. Fans of his present and future teams wouldn’t have to speculate as to whether he’s throwing games, if he’d received a lifetime ban. His character will always come into question wherever he plays, especially after he starts and loses a few games. He seems to always be in financial ruin; that’ll just add to the speculation.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:57 pm

J B STONER

April 13th, 2010
9:55 pm
VICK SUPPORTER, ARE YOU THAT STUPID THAT YOU DONT KNOW THE DIFF BETWEEN CONVICTED VERSUS ACCUSED……..YOUR PROBABLY BLACK………..GO BACK TO PRISON
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Go back to prison? LOLOLOL!!!!! That was a good one man….seriously…I have tears coming out of my eyes from laughter. That shows your opinion of blacks 100%….you live a sad live you piece of sh…

Ace

April 13th, 2010
9:57 pm

Wow, the writer is insinuating guilt over an accusation that the accuser obviously did not want to follow through with. (See lawyer speak for her reasons) Hmmm, accusations equals guilt in many people’s minds, very scary.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
9:59 pm

“He openly admitted that he didn’t go all-out in a handful of games.”

When you play for a franchise that CONSISTENTLY sign and draft bad players (except Dunn and Crumpler)…he probably didn’t give a f anymore….Jim Mora Jr as an NFL COACH!?!? LMAO. Look where he is now. One and done

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:03 pm

You better run….

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
10:03 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop: I can certainly understand you seeing bias in the system when you have your facts wrong. “In August 2007, hours after Vick pleaded guilty to federal charges in the Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation, the NFL suspended him indefinitely without pay.”

Note that Vick was suspended after entering a guilty plea to a federal felony….not after being indicted as you allege.

Matt Jones was suspended much earlier but he appealed the league’s decision. As soon as the appeal was dismissed he was suspended for the remainder of the year. Matt Jones was suspended for violation of the league’s substance abuse policy. At the time of the suspenison decision he was in a diversion program which would have resulted in no criminal conviction. Unfortunately, he later admitted to drinking a beer on a golf course with some buddies and was considered by the court to have violated the terms of the diversion program.

Not quite so much “bias” in the system as you allege.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2010
10:04 pm

Odell Thurman, a black middle linebacker, was suspended for 12 games for a DUI in 2007 — his first brush with the conduct policy. In the incident in question, he pleaded no contest and avoided jail time.

David Kircus, a white wide receiver, was arrested for felony assault, pleaded down, and is serving two years probation. He was not suspended and did not meet with Roger Goodell about the incident.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:04 pm

@VS- (it should be “BS”) You ARE a legend, like Bozo the clown, or Ronald McDonalds. You have made it-AS A CLOWN! Seriously, you defend Vick through thick and thin. Never using logic. The man could rape your family and you would still blame the Falcons and Blank. While defending Vick. Then you spout BS at MR2, That scumbag #7 never gave a damn while in Atlanta and pissed away his talents. Can you agree with that? I’ll be surprised if you can critique MV7 in any way shape or form.

P. Bull Terrier

April 13th, 2010
10:04 pm

Wow! There are some pretty impressive insults flying back and forth. I want to get in my two cents worth before this blog gets shut down.

Booger Eater!

(Now I feel like part of the group.)

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
10:08 pm

hmmm, in korea or china, which is more prevalent, eating dog meat or raping young girls? which has the severest penalty? should K.bryant have been banned from the nba, for accusations? did Matt jones really snort up Peru? i can’t find it on a map anymore! didn’t a bigtime dogfighting promoter recently recieve probation for staging dogfights in ga, hmmm i wonder if he was a black guy? aren’t there 3 rape allegations against “BIG BEN THE RUTHLESSRAPER” now? isn’t there an old saying “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”? hmmm!

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:08 pm

I’m giving you the benefit of a doubt. I am challenging you to have an honest discussion about Vick. It starts by you admitting that your “lord and saviour” Mike Vick stuck it to Falcons fans every where.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:10 pm

@junebaby-Peru fell off the map in during the last earthquake, if you look hard, you might see it floating away in the south pacific.-LOL

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:13 pm

@florida falcon

You must be a rookie on here…I have criticized Vick. I’ll do it again. He was arrogant….a mixture of his own fault, and a team/owner that coddled him…hell all pro athletes are arrogant. Thats a small part of what makes them great. The man has all world talent and he took it for granted…I believe that he felt that his athletic ability could cover everything..and it did for the most part. This whole prison thing is the best thing that ever happened to him, if you ask me.

He needed to be humbled, and in my opinion, he will be better than he ever was. He has the tools to be great….but his arrogance and bad judgement shot him down.

Is that good enough? Lets not forget to add in the team’s faults also. You saw the games…Roddy dropping passes while he’s all by himself…TJ Duckett….at 250lbs…can’t get one yard…so Vick has to get it…etc etc etc.

Vick had alot of flaws in his character….but he’s humble now…that makes a world of difference. It will make a big difference for Rapistberger too

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2010
10:13 pm

In any case, I’m not arguing that the conduct policy itself is racist. I’m arguing that Goodell’s decisions on punishments have been unequal for black and white offenders. My only beef with the conduct policy is that I believe it actually worsens the NFL’s image, as opposed to its intent of improving the NFL’s image. Goodell could avoid any racial controversy by simply coming up with a fixed punishment for each possible offense, similar to the mandatory 4-game suspension for using performance enhancing drugs.

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:14 pm

RON MEXICO

April 13th, 2010
10:07 pm
VICK SUPPORTER….ILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF YOUR SHOULDERS AND SHHHI…… DOWN YOUR PIE HOLE
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You are now officially ignored. I dont’ deal with you tea party mf’ers

JSS

April 13th, 2010
10:19 pm

CrabappleJoe…
Again talking about something you have no idea about…
There are 8 places (including Mellow Mushroom) within 4 miles of Ben’s place on Lake Oconee where a grown man and friends can hang, have some drinks, and kick it… That does not include the 2 “Spas” in the area… If you are a grown man and you venture down to Milledgeville or up to Athens, it is only for two reasons… Venture to take a guess?

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:21 pm

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
9:28 pm
Hmmm, let me see… dogkiller or possible serial rapist. Hmmm, do i care for my dogs more than i care for my little white daughter? What a dilemna. Hmmm, i hate Pacman for making it rain, i hate M.Vick for killing those furry thing that i like kissing on the mouth(after they lick their splits). But i love me some Ruthlessraper, and he looks different than those other guys. The commisioner has already set a standard, so what happens if he backs down now. That makes it kind of iffy for Ruthlessraper! OH I KNOW, i’ll just claim blacks are playing the race card, and after that everything will be a-ok, and i can go back to lamblacking the thugs, and all my friends will have my back. Hmmm, how clever of me.

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You had me laughing so hard, I almost passed out

Now, you know damn well it wasn’t about the dogs, it was about the suspected dog killer. Before Vick came along, they didn’t give a damn about a dog.

Now if it was T.O. who had sex with those two white girls, this blog would be blowing up…………..

HA HA HA

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:21 pm

VS-Fair enough, You earned my respect for that well thought out disertation on MV. Yes, I remember many a dropped pass by Roddy and co., I remember Finneran dropping them in bunches early on. I’ll even agree that any man, in fact ALL men (excluding Hitler and Bin Laden, you know those types) deserve a 2nd chance. MV is getting his 2nd chance, i hope he rises as an example to ALL children that you can make a differnece for the better. However, not against MY Atlanta Falcons. As far as Rapistberger, he seems to be travelling along that path that Vick formerly travelled. He will get his, let’s face it people. WE ALL GET OURS in the end. One way or another lady Karma pays us a visit. For better or worse.

Trophy Case

April 13th, 2010
10:21 pm

At the very least, Big Ben, almost 30 and hitting on sorority girls in a small town, is guilty of buying alcohol for underage women. That his smooth, “adult partying” techniques include following an intoxicated and underage woman into the bathroom and having bodyguards stand outside the door while he does what only he and she know what surely speaks well of the macho professional footballer. Were he not in the NFL, he would be considered a creep at the very least. Since he is in the NFL, he’s a wonderful athlete and she’s obviously a money grubbing whore. The jocksniffers are missing the point here. Just because there are no criminal charges does not mean he did not do something wrong. Even if you believe he did nothing criminal, Ben did plenty wrong. The NFL should suspend him for at least two or three games and Pittsburgh, to gain a little self respect, should tack one or two on to that.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:24 pm

VS-Looky here I made a typo myself> See I am NOT perfect. Just close to perfect!_LOL

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:30 pm

florida falcon

Its just the truth man. Vick was THE MAN in this city, hell he STILL IS the man in this city, it damn sure ain’t Matt ” The Noodle” Ryan…Vick is the best player that the Falcons have ever had….apparently he wasn’t able to handle all of the adulation…money…fame…that came with it…which led to arrogance. that tends to be what brings ALL elite athletes to their knees. Tiger, for instance…said it himself that he though he was “entitled” to schlong all those women…Vick didn’t think he would get caught because he had money. The list goes on and on.

My thing is I like to see people redeem themselves..it just happened to happen to my favorite NFL player. I was pulling for A-rod…many others….yet I’m a racist for supporting Vick. You tell me

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:31 pm

Matt “Choke” Ryan

What up man…long time no see. The falcon section is DEAD unless the convo is about Vick,lol

Intellibird

April 13th, 2010
10:32 pm

Can I have my “first” post removed from this blog? I no longer wish to be associated with it. I guess Schultz fell asleep at his computer, thus the absence of a moderator.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:32 pm

It’s now 4 years into the post Mora era – can we please get a freakin playoff win? Even a serial rapist can bring at least a freakin playoff win.

Damn CHOKE earn that 72 million boy!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:34 pm

Here’s a parting shot for you falcon fans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzEq0m_6FrI

Enjoy.

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
10:34 pm

Choke.., no if it was T.O. the white peoples party would have left their trailer park and showed up in their little white hoodies and togas(only in a mob). all ten of them would have passed out pamplets, then went to stoned mountain, saluted effigys of j.b. stoner and passed around the meth pipe.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:35 pm

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:31 pm
Matt “Choke” Ryan

What up man…long time no see. The falcon section is DEAD unless the convo is about Vick,lol

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These fools couldn’t blow their nose without Vick………. ha ha ha

Now that McNabb is gone, Vick will score even more touchdowns this season against the CHOKE and you will hear that famous chant again……….

WE WANT VICK

nick manning

April 13th, 2010
10:35 pm

young lady in the second photo has HORRIBLE FAKE TAN!

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:36 pm

Matt “Choke” Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:32 pm
It’s now 4 years into the post Mora era – can we please get a freakin playoff win? Even a serial rapist can bring at least a freakin playoff win.

Damn CHOKE earn that 72 million boy!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!! That right….haven’t won a playoff game since Vick played here. That noodle can’t win a playoff game carrying the team on his back like a good qb does when he has to.

Dan

April 13th, 2010
10:37 pm

Roethlisberger should be suspended for idiotic behavior, but that is just me – but before you heartily agree and ask where we can get a rope to help string him up, name me a player whom Goodell has suspended for misconduct (aka other than for failing drug test) without at least being arrested (aka probable cause) for having allegedly committed a crime.

If Roethlisberger is being suspended because it is time to light up a high profile white guy even though it is the first time a misconduct suspension has not involved na arrest, who is being discriminated against based on race?

Take your time

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:37 pm

junebaby

You know that’s the truth!

You know it’s a damn shame when a dog is valued more than a white woman……..

HA HA HA

Vick Supporter

April 13th, 2010
10:38 pm

WE WANT VICK

WE WANT VICK
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One of the greatest moments in falcon history…begging for the opposing team’s QB to play, LMAO

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:41 pm

A quick fact:

In CHOKE’S last 16 games started, he has 18 picks.

Good luck in 2010 with that accuracy…………..

HA HA HA

In Philly Kolb is the 2nd coming of the CHOKE and Vick will be starting by week 3.

Hello

April 13th, 2010
10:41 pm

How is Vick going to score while he’s holding Kevin Kolbs water bottle ?

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:42 pm

I hear ya, Vick wasn’t the 1st and sure isn’t the last player to get brought down by “hubris”. And It’s sure your right to pull for Vick, having read into your words I see that you were deeply hurt by Vick’s screw up. Vick was “the man” in Atlanta and he sure as hell was the most electrifying player in the NFL. OHH-What could have been! Vicks decision hurt dogs, us, the fans, the city, the team, his family but most of all himself. Only time will tell if he will redeem himself, but NOT to you or I, but to our maker! So we ALL, have to atone for our decisions. But in the sports world, I for one will respect your right to cheer for Vick the player on the filed and I have my right to jeer that same player on the field. As a man, I cannot judge Tiger, Vick or anyone. I can only judge myself when I look in the mirror. As far as YOU being a racist for supporting Vick, the answer is based on blind support. And by your statements Today, In my humble opinion, you sir, are not a racist.

HardTruthSoldier ..

April 13th, 2010
10:44 pm

Why make this a Black White issue when this is clearly a issue of another woman trying to extort Millions from an athlete! Have men become so trivial in there thinking that half of ya’ll will agree with anything they say or do? Roger Godell has become the face of the NFL, and he wants clearly for everybody to know this, so he once again waves his majic wand to let the world know he’s the man. Pete Rozelle never wanted the attention and never wanted the rest of the world to know that he reprimanded anyone. Rothlisberger is clearly a victim, but he doe’s need to exercise his self to some discipline. Stop being stupid Ben and grow up.

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
10:44 pm

@JSS: So you are now in charge of picking which bars a grown man can choose to go into…..Dam@ that’s funny man. So you have now officially instructed a grown man who makes millions of dollars a year to go to the Mellow Mushroom for fun rather than a “hot” club in Millegeville…now that’s funny I don’t care who you are. And yes, if you are a twenty-something and venture to bars in Athens or Millegeville you are probably looking to meet twenty-somethings of the opposite sex (or, maybe in your case, the same sex)….did it myself once upon a time. Never got arrested…didn’t harm my career and I had a good bit of fun. Sorry you never tried it. LMAO at the hypocrisy.

t-height

April 13th, 2010
10:46 pm

I’m wondering why people on this board is so over dramatic about other people problem. I see a lot of racist people on this page. Most of you people show your true colors behind a computer but will be back in the opposing race face tomorrow acting as if you are the best person in the world and their best friend. Its really shame that racism is so deep inside of some of you people. Do any of you guys ever say to yourself, why do i hate so much, not just hate something but another race. I can understand if you get tired of some people saying certain things or using race as an excuse but hate them is ridiculous and strong. Everybody is talking about Ben not being charged and the other players being charged makes a big difference. If you look into the justice system, you will notice that a non white person is 1000 times more likely times to be charged, convicted, and given a harsher sentence. This isn’t something being said to talk about race, this is a factually documented by American criminologist. I want to let those of you that haven’t read into the case but are giving you opinions for your own reasons, but the doctor that checked the victim stated that she had bruising, cuts and semen inside of her but there wasn’t enough to test. I thought any little amount of sperm can be tested. Also big ben has a vacation house in the area, so the D.A.and the city of milledgeville don’t want to ruin the money he could bring to the city. When Pacman was suspended the second time, he wasn’t charged with anything.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 13th, 2010
10:47 pm

Hello

April 13th, 2010
10:41 pm
How is Vick going to score while he’s holding Kevin Kolbs water bottle ?

==============================================================

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Ql4UU-p9c

Enjoy

dufferdawg

April 13th, 2010
10:52 pm

since when is getting drunk and getting laid a crime…my god…most male athletes engage in these activities…there were no charges so get a freaking clue Schultz…and the NFL needs a governing body not just super ego maniac to run their organization…

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
10:57 pm

Hey Crabapple- I’m not saying anything but, the words you typed didn’t look right! Here is your quote-”, the same sex)….did it myself once upon a time. Never got arrested…” Just sayin’

Dan

April 13th, 2010
10:59 pm

Jeff sez – “There is enough circumstantial evidence of Roethlisberger excessively imbibing”

Alrighty – if “circumstantial evidence” of “excessively imbibing” now is the test for suspension, unless a squad of Tim Tebows plays for you I doubt there is team that will not face significant suspensions based on that “standard”

Of course, no such standard for suspension exists, but why let facts get in the way of an argument that unless you come up with new standards for suspension to nail Roethlisberger you are a racist.

Hello

April 13th, 2010
10:59 pm

Choke, Kolb = REAL QB. Vick = run like hell out of the pocket because I don’t know how to check
down if the first option is covered.

The Cynical White Boy

April 13th, 2010
11:02 pm

Doesn’t matter. Guys like Big Ben will keep right on treating women as objects just as long as they are women in this world who go “ga ga” over power and money.

Good damn luck to the NFL if it thinks it can change something that’s been going on between men and women since Old Testament times.

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
11:07 pm

@Cynicalwhiteboy- There’s nothing like money grubbing hos! That reminds me, time to pay allimony! Damn!

not really me

April 13th, 2010
11:08 pm

ugly blogging folks ……… ahhh i’ll skip this discussion today!

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:09 pm

Ben is an idiot, suspend him. Going to college towns, getting #hitfaced and following a woman into a ladies restroom makes the NFL look bad. Ben is an employee and has the a responsibility to carry himself a certain way if he wants to have the privilege of playing in the NFL.

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:10 pm

It has been 12 years since the Falcons got to the Superbowl!!! I miss Chris Chandler, and all the intangables he had as a winning QB.

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:12 pm

I like Vick, I cheered for him when he played against the Falcons. If a guy has paid a price, it is him. I wish him the best.

JSS

April 13th, 2010
11:15 pm

FLA Falcon…
Don’t try to explain sense to man (Crabapple) who thinks that little hole in the wall next to the GCSU campus is a “hot club.” Dude is a “grown man,” you can’t be doing that… Tone it down, don’t to make it “rain” with shoots of booze to a bunch of college girls… I grew up in Middle GA, everyone except the Baldwin Co. DA knows the deal… You want to party, call a party planner, and bring in some professionals like the rest of the scumbags do up on the Lake…

Terrell

April 13th, 2010
11:19 pm

The argument by JS is that the others were suspended before they were charged. I’m not saying that I would think Goodell is racist or this is to protect the white guy. I understand that he wasn’t convicted but when you read the letter he sent to Henry and Jones no where did he state that they were convicted but he said their actions were not acceptable and Ben’s actions were not acceptable so if we are going by that then he should be suspended.

three jack

April 13th, 2010
11:21 pm

get over it…he’s a young, big time qb, loaded with cash and horny…some bimbo gives it up and you want him to be suspended..are you kidding me!?

if the nfl is worried about image, then stop all the excessive individual celebrations during games. a qb getting laid is not exactly ‘breaking news’…

junebaby

April 13th, 2010
11:26 pm

Mr Charlie…, i agree with you! wouldn’t it be nice to have a time machine to take us back to 1998. the run that year was really electric, and people were a lot nicer. sometimes i think message boards were the worst thing ever thought of. i know most of the people here are good people, but when it’s bad, it’s very very bad. during the superbowl run, it seems the whole city, blacks and whites were behind the falcons. it was such fun. now i just don’t know. man! i really miss that team. we’re living in bad times now!

JSS

April 13th, 2010
11:27 pm

@Crabapple Doh
Oh when I was 28, I was dating a woman who was 30… It is called “Growing up!” Only thing a young girl could do is play with my nieces, nephews and their friends at Freaknik or the old Music Midtown…

Marie

April 13th, 2010
11:28 pm

Let me begin by stating that I am (well was) a huge Big Ben fan and really hate to see this happening to the Steelers. I also consider myself to be a reasonable female who doesn’t scream sexism, sexual harrassment, and other nonesense at the first sign on impropriety. I honestly think young women need to behave themselves with some respect and stop putting themselves n comprimising situations with men. You don’t go out drinking to the point of intoxication with a bunch of horny guys hanging around. I’m sorry you’re just asking for problems.

Having said that in this case I do believe Roger Goddell needs to come down hard and severe on Ben. I’m not saying this because of some precedent which has been set with AA players; because while you can talk about Chris Henry, Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, etc., you can also point out the fact that Brandon Marshall has never been disciplined by the commissioner although there definitely appears to be propensity for having knock out drag out fights with his significant other.

While having sex with an intoxicated individual is not a crime in GA. This type of behavior is certainly illegal in other states because a person that is so intoxicated with drugs and/or alcohol simply cannot give consent. It can be reasonably assumed from what the DA stated that Ben supplied alcohol to a young underage woman, observed her going into a bathroom, decided to follow her in there to have sexual relations with her and placed his bodyguards outside the door (now was that to keep others from entering or her frome leaving). And we know that this young woman based on a statement given to the police was too intoxicated to give consent to Ben.

However, in his statement Ben flat out lied to the police and said this young woman fell and hit her head or something — not even initially admitting that he had sexual intercourse with her. Why lie if you did nothing wrong Ben? Why lie if this was really consensual sex? I am not saying he raped this young woman in the sense of some violent act we associate with rape. But again this woman was clearly too stoned to consent and he knew it.

And for all these folks that want to label this young woman as a skank and a gold-digger; I simply do not think a young woman so intoxicated that she didn’t know whether she had been sexually assaulted or not — was in any way thinking that far in advance that she could get some money out of this. I find her credible because she went to an officer that night not long after this event happened because I believe she strongly felt that she had not consented to have sex with him.

Fine the DA has said no crime. However, consider if this same act had occurred by a young male college student at this college or any college across the US. If this young woman had pressed a case with the college’s disciplinarian board the young man would be facing expulsion from school. And if Big Ben wants to act like a college frat boy then I think Roger Goddell should apply the same harsh penalty that any young college-aged man would be facing right now.

And I do not like that fact that this jerk has made no public apology to this woman or her family. He acts as if he had done NOTHING wrong. Sorry Ben even if this wasn’t rape — it is boorish behavior to watch a woman get stoned drunk and then follow her in a bathroom in order to sex her up.

Roger Goddell do yo thing!!!

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
11:30 pm

Hey these guys are “hooking up” all the time, that isn’t the problem. The problem seems to be that this is the 2nd time some bimbo has complained to the cops while it involved the big dumb QB. Where there is smoke, there is fire. These “ladies” give it up all the time, and to a man every blogger here (including me) wishes we could live the life, however. Big dummy, is (alledgedly) doing something wrong. Twice!

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:32 pm

Ben will get suspended, don’t know why you even bothered to write this article. Why not write about sports, like the braves, instead of trying to rile up people with racial drivel?

florida falcon

April 13th, 2010
11:33 pm

Yeah Shultz- you race baiter! I took the bait!

Ben Rothlesburger

April 13th, 2010
11:34 pm

White people don’t punish white folks I made a deal with the Milledgevile DA and the NFL commissioner we will make it look good watch and see….(sound of Vincent Price laughing in the background)

OJ got his justice imma get mine too

puff

April 13th, 2010
11:34 pm

Best line I’ve seen on big ben – “turns out he’s as dumb as he looks”

Hello

April 13th, 2010
11:40 pm

I agree with Fla.Falcon and Mr. Charlie. Goddell is definetly going to suspend Rothlisberger, so this whole column is nothing but race baiting on JS’s behalf. Just when I thought he turned the corner to real journalism.

crabapplejoe

April 13th, 2010
11:43 pm

Really…so none of you when you were in your twenties went to bars looking to hook up with members of the oppostite sex (or in JSS and Florida Falcons case the same sex) who were also in their twenties. Wow, ya’ll missed some good times. And I assume all of you men (like JSS) are married to women older than you or exactly the same age. And remember, when you get a hankerin’ to have a good time with your buddies then JSS insists that you go to the Mellow Mushroom or a “happy ending” spa…but never a club in Millegeville…if you do that you get suspended. Its now referred to as the “Mellow Mushroom/Spa” rule in the NFL. Stick to those two venues and your fine according to Commissioner JSS. And don’t ever think that JSS has a little jealousy going over Big Ben having a good time when he refers to Ben’s neighbors in this fashion: “You want to party, call a party planner, and bring in some professionals like the rest of the scumbags do up on the Lake”. So now everyone on Lake Oconee with a little money is a “scumbag” and they should all be hangin’ with JSS and his buddies at the Mellow Mushroom or getting an illegal HJ at the spa…..too funny…and sad.

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:51 pm

Crabb, there is a difference than hanging out and partying with younger woman, and getting #hitfaced and following a woman into the womans room. In addition, Some professions require that one maintains a certain conduct in public if you wish to have the privilege of working in that profession. Ben is a big boy, and if he wants to play, he’s gonna pay. He will get suspended for 4 games. You don’t get called to the commissioners office and not get suspended.

Mr Charlie

April 13th, 2010
11:55 pm

I would not be suprised of Ben gets traded either.

Bill

April 13th, 2010
11:55 pm

Everyone knows Ben is not innocent.

Money talks and Ben Walks. If it was you or me we would be in jail.

Moron on the loose

April 14th, 2010
12:05 am

What kind of moron wears a shirt that says Drink Like A Champion, then takes a photo that looks like he’s been on a 27 year drinking binge?

TheAntiMe

April 14th, 2010
12:21 am

Send that horndog to his room for at least 3 games.

TheAntiMe

April 14th, 2010
12:24 am

While Ben is suspended maybe he and Tiger can go clubbing?

crabapplejoe

April 14th, 2010
12:31 am

@Mr. Charlie: I totally agree with you…in the future any NFL player that steps into a bar (other than a Mellow Mushroom or a “health spa”), that has women patrons younger than the NFL star, should be immediately suspended for four games. Its the only logical thing for the NFL to do.
Thankfully, Big Ben is the only NFL star who goes clubbin’ so we won’t need to worry about any future suspenisons. As I recall, Micael Irving spent most of his weekends at church on the way to a HOF induction….

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JSS

April 14th, 2010
12:51 am

@Crabapple Doh…
Jealous? Oh being crap face drunk with a little girl is something to envy? Not even when I partied from Sundown to Sun up did I get plowed or had to get girls or grown women plowed to have a “good time!” I don’t care if it was one old “Fabulous Mile” in Midtown. “The Strip” in Pittsburgh, TMZ in LA, or the “Mellow Mushroom” on Lake Oconee Parkway; I knew better and no DA had to get my case…

doc

April 14th, 2010
1:00 am

najeh, there was tampering with evidence, also he was accompanied by friend cops who were looking out for him as his posse and they refused to let folks into the mens room to help the girl or check on her by some accounts. that is more than circumstantial as he already is being involved in another law suit of similar nature. the guy probably has too many hits to his frontal brain to have much judgement from football hits to his injuries on his bike. just the same, the point needs to be made to all us included that it is unacceptable to him going forward or anyone else. pac man never was convicted though he was a bad guy and big ben is just as nasty.

until big ben is treated like a pervert or the predator that he is, in spite of his large protective posse throwing their weight around, by the nfl, i will lose confidence in goodell. the others, that have walked the plank goodell put in fromt of them, should have recourse to sue him and the league for back pay. the guy should be down for at least 4 to 8 games and be on permanent probation for a quick exit to the canadian league for any other offenses of this nature.

Marva

April 14th, 2010
1:05 am

I agree with Jeff’s opinion. There needs to be some tangible punishment by the NFL, or there will be too many cries of racism.

Marva

April 14th, 2010
1:08 am

Suspension for 8 games sounds about right. And a strong public tongue-lashing.

Seattle Falcons Fan

April 14th, 2010
1:52 am

He obviously raped these poor girls….two in a couple of months…give me a break…. Kobe was one thing… that girl had like 4 different mens sperm in her……. Ben is a sexual predeator and uses his money to get him out of a jam…. I’ve seen his type several times…. I’m white and all you making this a white vs black situation are so stupid… this has nothing to do with it….. listen to his post game super bowl winning interveiws…. he is just a big a worthless thug as Vick or all the rest…… the poor girl was drunk and now can’t prove he raped her…. he better be suspended or else I’m going to start believing the NFL will make an exception for white star players…………….. just like Barry Bonds…. why is he such an outcast while Jason G. and Andy Petite are signed and cheered for….. Bonds could have hit 50 more HRs….

Seattle Falcons Fan

April 14th, 2010
1:57 am

I agree JSS…. I have been with many woman and none have ever told the police I raped them….. Especially two in like 6 months….. he is the type of person you want to keep your baby daughters away from………… if my 15yr old daughter gets raped by some a-hole like that…..I don’t care how big he is…..the Steelers select a QB in the first round because I would kill his as#..!!!!

Seattle Falcons Fan

April 14th, 2010
2:09 am

P.S.- Any Vick supporter should give up on life right now……. He was a horrible QB that could run…. He never watch film or worked out in the off season…. He was dumb as sh#t….. If you just signed a multi million dollar contract for 10 years, why are you going to try and sneak $10 worth of weed on an airplane??????? I would have hired a weed dealer to live at my house with the best stuff and thrown that crap in the garbage….. Then he flicks off the fans and murders dogs for fun…. what an a-hole….. how can you support him… are you racist?????… do you not like that Matt Ryan’s white… have you not noticed that these guys are individuals and not some kinds of race representatives… this is a football team get over it… we alll just want the Falcons to WIN……

Najeh Davenpoop

April 14th, 2010
3:01 am

doc, Pacman pleaded guilty to lesser offenses to avoid jail time — this is why he was on probation. Believe me, I think the evidence points towards Ben having committed a crime that day, but as despicable as his behavior may be, I can’t support the dictator Goodell and his arbitrary enforcement of his conduct policy. If he suspends Ben despite his not being charged, it opens the already broken floodgates even further for him to start suspending people for doing anything he disapproves of. I can’t support anything Goodell does discipline-wise until he sets fixed punishments for crimes
and leaves his personal discretion, or lack thereof, out of the equation.

Jim007

April 14th, 2010
4:38 am

Big Ben is the true ‘ Village Idiot ”

With so many storys coming to light, this guy is simply a Mega Moron.

Suspension is in Order maybe 1/2 the season

Goodell can use with that old Miami Vice line

Your suspended and the charge is ” Stupidy “

thedream

April 14th, 2010
4:56 am

does anyone else thing that Rothlisberger looks completely …sleazy for lack of better words? I mean even without all of this negativeness surrounding him, I look at him and think “slimy” and “greasy”. I dunno…just something about him.

joetheplumber

April 14th, 2010
5:28 am

THE MEDIA GAVE Ben “Rapist” Roethlisberger ONE PASS ALREADY, SO THE FIRST WOMAN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE BAD PRESS TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF HIM. THATS THE OPPOSITE OF HOW “ALL THE MEDIA” DID TIGER. THE MEDIA HELPED THOSE SK@NKS GET RICH OFF OF HIM. Why did they do that?
It’s called media racism. Have you noticed you never ever ever hear anything bad about hockey players even though they beat the hell out of each other on the ice. They all go home and just eat cookies and drink milk according to the media.
Why did the guy that got a picture of Michael Phelps smoking pot have to go to Britain just to find a news organization that wanted to buy the photo? It was only after other country’s tabloid reported it that American media outlets did the story.

Bill

April 14th, 2010
6:42 am

Let’s see:

Pacman had 10 incidents, including 4 arrests, before he ever got suspended.

Tank Johnson was already in jail before he got suspended (not to mention he had enough arms in the car to supply a small coup)

Vick was “asked” not to go to camp, during a period when he was not getting paid. He was suspended after he pled guilty.

Chris Henry had already been found guilty.

I think what Big Ben did was morally gross, and if I owned the Steelers I would have been a player in the McNabb sweepstakes, but if BR gets suspended, it is reverse discrimination and only because he is white.

FalconUGAFan

April 14th, 2010
6:44 am

Wow not sure how this turned into a Ryan/Vick hatefest. I thought the topic was Roethlisberger. When a player is convicted, it is clear, the NFL needs to hand out punishment. Done. When a player is accused, it requires some investigation on the part of the NFL and punishment should be meted out accordingly regardless of race. Roth is clearly a knucklehead at the least and possibly a sex offender and should be punished. I wonder if the players have a morality clause in their contracts? I think most do.

Captain America

April 14th, 2010
6:56 am

What NFL player has Goodell suspended for conduct detrimental to the league that has NEVER even been charged with a crime? NONE!

If Ben gets a suspension he should sue the hell out of he league for racial discrimination.

Oh please those HOT women

April 14th, 2010
7:24 am

Oh Please those HOT momas knew who he was and probably targeted him. What he needs to do is FIND HIM A WIFE. He does NOT need to be suspended.

GaDawgFan

April 14th, 2010
7:32 am

I am European American not white

Clay

April 14th, 2010
7:48 am

I suggest you Ben defenders read the entire statement of the DA, not just the edited version ESPN is showing. Then read the civil suit by the woman in Vegas, who, by the way, will drop her suit if Ben issues her an apology. You begin to see a pattern of a guy who thinks because he’s famous and rich, he can take what he wants. He even hired the lawyer who got Ray Lewis off his murder charge, and wouldn’t come back for a GBI interview. Sounds like an innocent guy, huh? No, he was just smart enough not to leave a “discharge,” from which a DNA sample could have been taken. It’s all there in gory detail in the DA’s statement.

Hell yes, he should be suspended.

Clay

April 14th, 2010
7:54 am

I’ve had a “good time” in a bar too, crabapplejoe. It did not involve a bodyguard blocking anyone from entering a bathroom where I had taken an underage girl with whom I had provided way too much alcohol. Ben is pretty pathetic if that’s the only way he can get girls.

UglyOldDog

April 14th, 2010
8:03 am

The guy has talent….and a $.50 brain…give 6 or 8 games to understand that his actions screw his teammates and owners. Hopefully something will dawn on Big Ben Butthead!!!!!!!

heartofdarkness

April 14th, 2010
8:10 am

“Ben Roethlisberger is innocent of sexual assault”. Interesting choice of words. More accurate, I believe, would be BR was not charged with sexual assault by the district attorney. Of course, criminal statutes tend to define the area around the lowest acceptable standards of conduct a society will accept. The statutes defining commercially acceptable behaviour seem to occupy the same ethical strata, but do not attract as extreme a punishment. So, once again, professional [and semi-professional] sport becomes the stage upon which we dramatize life’s worst compulsions and society’s willingness to tolerate the resulting activities as measured by the public’s predisposition to buy tickets. Maybe Nietzsche was right.

Rico

April 14th, 2010
8:16 am

So basically what you’re advocating, Mr. Schultz, is that big bad Ben should be suspended because of the color of his skin.

Shame on you and your bigotry.

Billy Bob

April 14th, 2010
8:18 am

Suspend the Sloth-man. Every man takes off duty officers with them to troll college bars, right? The NFL & the Steelers want a predator representing them, right?

Todd - Dacula

April 14th, 2010
8:34 am

For (alleged) sexual assault, TWICE; this guy should be suspended for a year. regardless of the other cases against minority players. 1 year really isn’t enought. You are talking about a total disregard for a human being.

If Godell fail to issue a signifiant suspension,the other athletes should sue Godell and the league for what ever is applicable. I am not going to compare dog fighting and the things Henry and ‘Pac Man’ was accused of, however, taking advantage of a human being, especially a female, even if she has been drinking is just plain criminal. Roethlisberger is a criminal that has not been charged.

I must say that I do ot expect the commissioner to issue a significant suspension, simply because I believe he has racial bias tendencies. Matt Jones shoudl have been suspended for the drup charges, but was alowed to play until he violated probabtion.

Lets see what really happens.

Eaasssyy

April 14th, 2010
8:42 am

if donovan mcnabb were brought up on allegations, twice, each of which no charges filed, should he be suspended?

doc

April 14th, 2010
8:43 am

najeh even the courts are arbitrary. pacman pleaded to lesser offenses that did not fit what his ultimate suspension was so goodell assumed worse. it is a business so anything is fair as long as the union accepts it.

ELVISINTHEHOUSE.

April 14th, 2010
8:52 am

Aaron,very dumb comment.

Brock

April 14th, 2010
8:53 am

It’s very simple people. Ben should pay…………………… pay women have sex with him!! That is one ugly mf’er.

John

April 14th, 2010
8:55 am

He SHOULD NOT be suspended because 1) He was not arrested in either case, 2) race does not matter. GO STEELERS!!!

Dude

April 14th, 2010
9:05 am

I am about tired of this race BS. Rosenbagger wasn’t convicted of any crime or even CHARGED!!! But I am sure that if he isn’t at least slapped on the wrist, the ACLU and NAACP will have a field day. Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t the best when it comes to decisions in his personal life. But, if they suspended a guy for every hickup or use of poor judgement, there wouldn’t be professional sports in America.

Dude

April 14th, 2010
9:07 am

Amen Brock, That is one ugly dude!!

NFC FAN

April 14th, 2010
9:25 am

i think he should be suspended until the conclusion of the civil suit , then if he is found guilty he should be banned. and if you think that is harsh remember he assaulted a person (if found guilty)

jerry

April 14th, 2010
9:26 am

You can bet your a$$ that if there had been enough dna to determine the donor, Ben would have been charged. The girl did not have that to back her up and that is the only reason the DA did not charge his sorry a$$. Ben is one lucky piece of crap.

Dr. Phil

April 14th, 2010
9:32 am

Ben wasn’t arrested because the investigating cop was part of Ben’s “entourage.”

D.W.

April 14th, 2010
9:38 am

This guy is a genius and everyone wants to be associated with a genius. He bought a motor vehicle and rode around on it without a license or helment and since has had two (2) questionable encounters with females. He the quarterback for what I once perceived as the most classiest organaziation in professional football. I quess they like geniuses too and I know Roger Goddell loves geniuses. Uuuummm?

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 14th, 2010
9:51 am

Seattle Falcons Fan

April 14th, 2010
2:09 am
P.S.- Any Vick supporter should give up on life right now……. He was a horrible QB that could run…. He never watch film or worked out in the off season…. He was dumb as sh#t….. If you just signed a multi million dollar contract for 10 years, why are you going to try and sneak $10 worth of weed on an airplane???????

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You are beyond “STUPID”!

Your post is full of more contradictions than I can possibly cover.

First, you compare the crimes of “Dogs” vs “Women”. What Vick “supposedly” did does not even come close to the torture, rape, abuse and mental sabotage that “ACTUAL” Humans have endured behind this piece of crap Golden Boy.

Comparing the two, if I was a profiler, I would be knocking on your door with a search warrant checking for human remains.

Second – damn right Vick flipped off “Racist” fans. I would flip them off with both hands. If you call me racist names, I would do more than flip you off, so if you are one of them, here is a DOUBLE flip off for you.

Finally, you contradicted yourself the most, by saying the same of tired arguments that white people who are fearful of the quarterback position being revolutionalized and in danger of athletic multi dimensional players changing the dynamics and requirements of the position, just like the demographic in the NBA.

You say in one breath that he was not a good quarterback and in a second breath, you said he didn’t watch film. Now, you have quarterbacks like Matt “CHOKE” Ryan, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallace, Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson and the list goes on and of “Great Bust Hopes” who study film, yet have not even won a single playoff game and making multiple pro bowls – only on Madden would they even be mentioned by the pro bowl selection.

That argument about him not being a good quarterback, I just direct you to the Falccons archives and look up the quarterbacks in Falcons history list of victories and tell me who is listed number 2 on that list – I think we know where I am going

In 2002, Vick in his sophomore year, lets see what he did:

- Voted to his 1st of 3 pro bowls.

- Finished 2nd in the MVP voting.

- 1ST QB in NFL “HISTORY” to beat Green Bay at home in playoffs.

What did Matt “CHOKE” Ryan do in his sophomore season:

- Had 2 or more picks in 4 straight games.

- Had a pick in 6 straight games.

- Had 14 picks in just 13 games played in 2009.

- Did not play or win a playoff game to compare to Vick’s 2nd year.

Now, you have a guy like the CHOKE who studies film, supposedly reads defenses, had a Hall of Fame tight end to add to a roster with a pro bowl receiver and pro bowl back and still fails to make the playoffs, yet you have a guy that you admitted doesn’t study film and doesn’t read defenses, yet he has playoff wins and a championship game on his resume.

You my friend are – STUPID, DUMB and DELUSIONAL.

HA HA HA

Marie

April 14th, 2010
10:19 am

So let me get this straight from all the guys on here who believe the commissioner should not take any action against Ben since he was not charged. If your 20 year old college daughter became intoxicated at a party, it is okay for a young man at the party to take advantage of her in this state? And if the college finds out about what he did — they should not pursue any course of action against the young man since he was NEVER charged with a crime?

Sorry guys but if a young man attending college had committed the EXACT SAME thing Big Ben did during a night of partying with a group of guys and gals; and had sex with a girl clearly too intoxicated to consent to sex — he would face expulsion from college. And it doesn’t matter if he was charged by the local DA with a crime or not. The school reserves the right to take any course of action they deem appropriate to prevent this type of boorish behaviour from becoming acceptable.

And like I said if Big Ben wants to act like a college frat boy then the commissioner should treat him like one; kicked out the league — NO; but a good kick in his wallet and few games suspension should get the point across.

BTW — When Michael Vick was facing dog fighting charges all these liberal groups like PETA and HSA was all over him. Where are the liberal women groups like NARAL and NOW?

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The Dude

April 14th, 2010
10:52 am

This Rothliswhatsits treats objects like women, man. This aggression … this aggression will not stand, uh, man.

Pierre

April 14th, 2010
11:33 am

Totally disagree that there is precedent for suspension. Pacman and Vick both had pending criminal cases in front of them whereas Ben has no criminal liability in any of these incidents.

Hollywould

April 14th, 2010
11:41 am

Stat boy, you are correct on Vick’s soph. season. Now about every other season…….. Remember, Vick Supporter says “stats don’t matter.”

AJC Truth Detector

April 14th, 2010
12:13 pm

LORDY….LORDY…..LORDY….JEFF…..YOU STOLE MY WORDs…..GOOD LITTLE liberal CLONES is exactly what we have in the Obama-Atlanta Urnal staff.

Louis

April 14th, 2010
12:16 pm

Uh, yeah, there’s a difference. PacMan Jones had 10 run-ins with the law, including 5 ARRESTS which included drug and battery charges ACTUALLY being brought against him BEFORE Goodell suspended him. The late Chris Henry was ARRESTED 4 times in 14 months for drugs, weapons, DUI and providing alcohol to minors, AND spent time in jail BEFORE Goodell stepped in.

The Lake Tahoe case is a joke, and in Georgia you have a woman who first said that Ben didn’t rape her, then said she didn’t even know if the 2 had sex, and then in the morning after she’s sober somehow vividly remembered saying no and being raped?!? Please.

GIMMEABREAK

April 14th, 2010
12:17 pm

Sexually assulting a WOMAN is way worst than fighting a DOG! While I don’t condone dog fighting lets just stick to the truth – he probably did sexually assult the woman – offered her a payout to drop the charges-she let it go- HE got off and SHE got paid. But HE still should be suspended for his actions because he was wrong and fed alcohol to an underage young lady. HE embarrassed the NFL just like the rest of them did!

The Dogfighter Returns

April 14th, 2010
12:18 pm

come on no one was hurt. it was just a he said she said. deep down she really wanted to be with ben and had a change of heart afterwards.

no harm no foul. let big ben run wild on heinz field. why stop the show.

hell the nfl is a relief from the low life politicos.

Ben is a great guy he wouldn’t harm a fly.

Sitller

April 14th, 2010
12:19 pm

Leave it to an Altanta columnist to make this racial.

The Dogfighter Returns

April 14th, 2010
12:21 pm

Choke you are 4 months ahead of schedule dude. simmer down bro.

London Clock

April 14th, 2010
12:21 pm

I would give him a two game suspension for that freakin’ hair-do!

junebaby

April 14th, 2010
12:21 pm

Choke…, i feel your pain! i noticed i didn’t see any comment from you for a long time. i gather you were banned for speaking the truth. i suspect the same thing is going to happen with me. my posts are awaiting moderation, while the worst names and phrases will be allowed to continue. oh well, that’s life in america for you. notice the only people i’ve said bad things about are the three stooges, who continually stir the racism pot with their race-baiting columns.

AUG247

April 14th, 2010
12:24 pm

I’m sick and tired of everyone trying to make this a “race” issue. It isn’t. The facts are Ben is a QB and Holmes is a WR. It is about being “the Franchise”. There are no comparisons to Vick. Vick was arrested for gambling. Ben hasn’t been arrested for anything. PacMan Jones was arrested 5 times before he was suspended. Ben did use “bad” judgement. He may or may not have done it, but there wasn’t enough evidence. Schullz, you wrote this article because you knew it would stir the pot. IT IS NOT A RACE ISSUE! I’m sure Ben will get a “steep” penalty due to the public “political correctness” of this country.

pucky

April 14th, 2010
12:25 pm

Second time in a year for the same thing??? Sit him down, if for no other reason then he is an idiot.

“I can’t help it, woman keep taking advantage of me when I go to bars”, Then stop going to bars bud, life is not fair……….but then again you have 100 million so it’s a good trade off.

bcatl

April 14th, 2010
12:29 pm

This is a simple case. The guy is an accident waiting to happen. In fact, multiple “accidents” have already happened.

If this man keeps going down his present path, he’ll bring more grief to himself and to the league. He needs a wakeup call.

Of course suspend him, for at least two games.

What's Important

April 14th, 2010
12:31 pm

Jeff, since you are “just saying” that it happens that victims sometimes get paid off, they also sometimes are subject to intimidation by sleazy defense lawyers who have clients with lots of money. Remember that while District Attorneys, other than the clown in North Carolina, are bound to stick to some semblance of the facts, defense attorneys are not, they are allowed to spout anything they want on TV, put forth any scenario and say anything about the victim they wish. A 20 year old college student with a small town district attorney as her lawyers up against Ed Garland and his gang of thieves, could have a tremendous amount of pressure placed upon her, and have her reputation ruined, whether warranted or not. I for one would not want my daughter to have to go through that kind of scrutiny and attack after having been traumatized by a sexual assault. So when you are “just saying” you might want to just say that also.

Hindu Elvis Pimp

April 14th, 2010
12:34 pm

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Mulligan

April 14th, 2010
12:36 pm

Race has become the wedge that will break this country. I’ll bet the Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves because they chose not to address the issue when they drafted the Constitution, and look where we are. There are extremists on both ends of this topic who espouse the kind of hatred that would make Hitler proud. The conversation is uncomfortable and one of the most volatile issues across the board in the USA. There is no viable “solution”….when you see small children at play – or even disabled adults w/intellectual disabilities, you can witness race “irrelevance”. Color has no consideration for these individuals….we adults blessed with “normal” intellect should be so lucky.

GASteelahsFan

April 14th, 2010
12:39 pm

Race is going to be an “issue” for debate regardless! Goodell’s haste to action with respect players of color versus his deliberation when comes to caucasian players (Matt Jones & now Ben) just indicates that there is a double standard.

Vick was forbidden to attend any fuctions on Falcons property because of the potential distraction. If this latest “flap” doesn’t create a distraction in the mind of Goodell, he will yet again leave the door open to this type of scrutiny.

When Goodell enforces the code of conduct with equal amount of deliberation then this type of stuff should cease.

Luv 2 Hate Me

April 14th, 2010
12:42 pm

Ruthlessraper and Rapistberger…Now that’s funny (lol)

bcatl

April 14th, 2010
12:43 pm

Another think, I hope he does get suspended as I said. But the guy is well on the way to turning his career into toast anyway.

Even in the world of Superstardom, he’s exceeded the stupidity limit. What kind of guy can engrage Arnold Palmer, Terry Bradshaw, and a prosecutor from Georgia, and who knows who else, in this short period of time? Man, that has to be a record of some kind.

Give me a break. Even for the big guys it can turn into a very small world if you start stepping on the wrong toes.

Cousin Curtis

April 14th, 2010
12:44 pm

Damn, Vick Supporter. The haters don’t like you much for having an opinion. I don’t necessarily agree with your opinion, but the bigotry’s getting pretty thick in here.
As a Falcons fan, I’m glad Vick is gone. For all his amazing talent, he was inconsistent as hell in Atlanta, and his off-the-field antics were a distraction we didn’t need. Hope he does well elsewhere.
Big Ben is a dirtbag. Three unrelated rape allegations — where there’s smoke there’s fire. I wouldn’t want him on my team either, and I think heavy-handed discipline from Goodell is in order. In addition, as a man who loves his wife, daughter, mother, and sister, I wish they’d line him up with a 350-lb butt-raping cellmate to teach him what being violated feels like.

JASon

April 14th, 2010
12:52 pm

Henry was GUILTY of multiple gun charges.
Pacman was GUILTY in a strip club melee.
What has Roethlisberger been guilty of? I’m waiting, Jeff…

Yeah, that’s right NOTHING. Why don’t you look at the results before you start playing the race card. I’m sick of people like you.

vader

April 14th, 2010
12:56 pm

Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction.”

THE ABOVE STATEMENT SUMS IT ALL UP!THE NFL COMMISSIONER NEVER SAID THAT A PERSON MUST BE ARRESTED VS. ACCUSED TO DECIDE HIS FATE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE STANDARD MUST BE OBJECTIVE AND NOT SUBJECTIVE, AND THEREFORE, THE OBJECTIVE FACT IS THAT BIG BEN HAS ALLOWED HIMSELF NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE TO BE INVOLVED IN SITUATIONS THAT IN GOODELL’S WORDS: “Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league.”

ACCEPT IT OR NOT, GOODELL SET THE STANDARD A LONG TIME AGO, AND NOW HE IS FACED WITH THE DECISION TO BE CONSISTENT.

LASTLY, I AM JUST AS GUILTY, BUT THE MENTION OF RACE BY THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE, ACCOMPLISHED JUST WHAT WAS INTENDED, AND THAT’S THE POINT OF GARNERING DISCUSSION, AND MEDIA TIME ON THEIR SITE!

Michael

April 14th, 2010
12:57 pm

The AJC continues to be a piece of crap. Too bad it’s the only fishwrapper in town.
As for you JS, congrats to stir up all the racist haters once again. You suck.

JEWELL

April 14th, 2010
12:58 pm

aaron….kobe never paid anything to anyone….except the ring for his wife….

Michael

April 14th, 2010
1:02 pm

Jewell, how the hell do you know???

jay

April 14th, 2010
1:04 pm

Big Ben needs to be suspended for showing up at his press conference dressed like a sex offender….He looks like a degenerate in the first photo with his hair slicked back and the 5 o’clock shadow on his face.

vader

April 14th, 2010
1:04 pm

Talking about being manipulated by the media!

soulfinger

April 14th, 2010
1:06 pm

What was I thinking??? I thought this would be a serious level headed discussion…I got to the 5th comment and there were the ignorant racial slurs.

Good Grief

April 14th, 2010
1:08 pm

I agree, Ben should be suspended. Don’t think it will be the whole season, but at least a few games. The two rapes (who knows its possibly more than that), and then there was that motorbike accident which isn’t a crime and im not sure how much its his fault, but it seems like every season we hear some crazy story about this guy. He’s had two cases of alleged sexual assault so sit him. Its as simple as that.

bcatl

April 14th, 2010
1:09 pm

Right on Jay. I mean, how could the guy be more clueless?

Tye

April 14th, 2010
1:12 pm

I do not understand why the AJC continues to pay Jeff Schultz… Vick & Pac are both criminals and have been found GUILTY in court. Yeah, Roth puts himself in bad situations but the kid makes MILLIONS and is enjoying it. You know that girl was drunk and wanted just as much at Ben. I don’t see him beating his wife, running people over in his car, going to strip clubs fighting/drinking/shooting, asking a friend to stab someone (Ray), or financing an illegal underground dog fighting ring. All you race card SOB’s get a life and I hope the AJC fires you Jeff because your articles are ridiculous! So the point here is that no suspension is necessary…

The Dogfighter Returns

April 14th, 2010
1:21 pm

jay

April 14th, 2010
1:04 pm
Big Ben needs to be suspended for showing up at his press conference dressed like a sex offender….He looks like a degenerate in the first photo with his hair slicked back and the 5 o’clock shadow on his face.

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you wish you were as cool as big ben. that dude is a throwback to a different time.

nothing like getting sorority chics drunk.

modrod

April 14th, 2010
1:24 pm

Hey Jason. I guess O.J. didn’t do anything either. Right? Since he was not found guilty.

Ghost

April 14th, 2010
1:25 pm

I’m a 30+ year Steelers fan. I think Ben should be suspended at least 2 games if Goodell doesn’t want a debate on race regarding this case. I not only want it because of the race debate, but because Ben has shown that he needs a real wake up call on the merits of the cases against him alone.

And don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ben should just sit at home on his off days. I think he just needs to show better judgement about where and who he associates with. He has every right to enjoy his wealth and status, just do it more smartly.

Tye

April 14th, 2010
1:26 pm

Modrod… He was found guilty in Civil court. Pull your skirt back up!

jack

April 14th, 2010
1:27 pm

To posters… note that almost 100 percent want Roth suspended for his behavior…

Note to Schultz… I’m glad you write sports, not serious journalism… your sarcastic statement: “who don’t walk the line like good little clones” shows your intelligence level.

The Commissioner FINALLY requires the players to stop acting like thugs and criminals and this upsets you?

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:30 pm

“How many players that were African American were suspended for being accused of less.”

You mean rape, killing dogs and illegal firearms?

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:31 pm

“Jones, Henry and Vick all are African American. Roethlisberger is white.”

DANG!!!!! This is what I call “spot on journalism!”

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:32 pm

““Jones, Henry and Vick all are African American. Roethlisberger is white.””

Actually, none of them are African. They were all born here.

To fix your typo: “Jones, Henry and Vick are all black. Roethlisberger is white.”

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:33 pm

“Is there any difference in this case?”

Yeah, Ben was not charged with anything. The other guys were.

modrod

April 14th, 2010
1:35 pm

Tye, my point being, just because someone is not found guilty does not mean they did not do anything. If no civil charges are brought against Ben it is pretty obvious she got the envelope of cash Jeff was referring to. Guess it pays to act a slut.

DC Dirty Bird

April 14th, 2010
1:39 pm

@ Dan, Davenpoop, and Crabapple: I have noticed that in all of your arguments against Ben being suspended, you have used precedence and technicalities as the primary thrust of your argument. In my humble opinion, precedence should never be the primary decision making argument. What I would like to hear is your opinion on the merits of a suspension. Crabapple seems to come the closest to stating such by implying that Ben doesn’t deserve to be suspended due to the possibility of impropriety on the part of these women. Before going down that road, think about how often this type of thing happens compared to the number of star professional athletes that grace our televisions. Is it really so commonplace that we can only assume that this is the case for Ben R. The question that should be asked is, did Rothleisberger violate the letter or spirit of the personal conduct policy. If the answer is yes to either, he should be suspended.

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:39 pm

“Guess it pays to act a slut.”

It worked wonders for Bill Clinton.

meh

April 14th, 2010
1:44 pm

Roethlisberger should be suspended just for being a complete freakin idiot.

Dumbo

April 14th, 2010
1:51 pm

Is there anything about this paper that IS NOT racial?

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
1:53 pm

“Is there anything about this paper that IS NOT racial?”

That’s racist.

NubianOne

April 14th, 2010
1:59 pm

Big Ben will get a gynormous fine and a strong admonition to “clean up your act or else”. Why? The official explanation will be something along the lines of “he’s a key component of the Steelers organization and losing him for any part of the season could be detrimental to the organization and inhibit their ability to play competitively…yada, yada, yada. Some may say it’s “because he’s white” but, although it was pre-Goddell era, Ray Lewis, took a plea deal in a murder trial in exchange for his testimony and was only fined by the NFL. So, when Big Ben gets his fine – remember you heard it here first – it’s because he’s a “too valuable a player in the Steelers organization”.

ACE

April 14th, 2010
2:08 pm

I wonder how many of these people calling for Ben’s head are the same people who still love Mike Vick and wear his jersey

GEORGIA

April 14th, 2010
2:11 pm

Lake Tahoe, July 2008. Ben has one nighter. Girl emails coworkers and
friends..is very happy. Months later her online romance with fake
soldier sends her over the edge. She goes in hospital. Comes
out and decides to sue BR.

March, 2010. Ben being investigated for sexual misconduct..not rape.
No DNA. Girl can’t recollect what happened…no charges.

I’m willing to bet a lot of you reading this have had one nighters. I’m sure you have also put reself in some bad situations where alcohol was a big factor. Roethlisberger should know better and realize
that bad contact will cause major problems. He should miss
two games. get fined and attend some sort of alcohol rehab.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 14th, 2010
2:16 pm

junebaby,

You know how it is. You can tell a douche by the way he wears his out dated “Bow Ties” The guilty party knows who they are.

Reminds me of that Uncle Tom theory, where they turn their backs on where they came from, in hopes of fitting in with the “in” crowd.

One thing I can never accuse Jeff of is being bias in posting requirements, unlike his colleagues.

There is an old saying “the truth shall set you free”

WreckinBall

April 14th, 2010
2:17 pm

My advice to Ben Rotheswhatever is to sell his holding in Ga. and don’t come back. Georgia is a prison state, and doesn’t mind putting anyone in the gray-bar hotel(aka as the jailhouse).

John

April 14th, 2010
2:35 pm

Ben has NEVER had charges filed against him.

The other suspended players HAVE.

dawg1967

April 14th, 2010
2:39 pm

10 games suspended is good, if guilty later the whole season suspended with his years salary going to various abused womens shelters.

What's Important

April 14th, 2010
2:40 pm

I see that Schultz has taken a page from Bradley’s book, blog em and leave em.

Junior Samples

April 14th, 2010
2:43 pm

when i saw Roethlisberger wearing his cap backward I knew he was a thug.

Realist

April 14th, 2010
2:47 pm

The black man will never be happy. Always complaining about something with his hand out.

Matt "Choke" Ryan

April 14th, 2010
2:55 pm

Calm down guys – it was just a couple of white women.

It’s not like they were dogs……………

sheepy

April 14th, 2010
3:15 pm

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up the racial issue! I think Goodell is smart enough to make the right decision.

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
3:16 pm

An admission to a felony or conviction of a felony should get a significant suspension and void contract. This would be Vick.

Hanging out in clubs, drinking and womanizing are not felonies or even misdemeanors. If that is all Jones or Henry did, their suspensions were out of line. I don’t know the details.

Case in between, such as a misdemeanor crime or a felony awaiting trial are tougher to answer. However, in this case no crime was committed. This is America and innocent until proven guilty is the standard.

omg!

April 14th, 2010
3:23 pm

YALL R CRAZY, FUNNY AND I CAN TELL THAT WE ARE ALL TIRED OF BLAH BLAH BLAH …A NFL PLAYER MESSED UP BLAH BLAH BLAH..WHO R THE KIDS GOING TO LOOK UP 2 BLAH BLAH BLAH….HES SUPPOSE TO BE BLACK BUT HE CAME OUT WHITE BLAH BLAH BLAH…….I HAVE OTHER THINGS ON MY MIND…LIKE WHAT R THE CHANCES OF US GETTING SNOW THIS WEEKEND!

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
3:24 pm

“This is America and innocent until proven guilty is the standard.”

No it’s not.

bcatl

April 14th, 2010
3:26 pm

Uga acct? No crime was prosecuted. You have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. All the prosecutor said was he couldn’t meet the reasonable doubt standard. There’s a subtle distinction being made here.

However, to all the people who want to go easy on Big Ben, don’t worry. Let him slide and give him another year. He’ll eventually get himself convicted of something he he keeps this lifestyle up.

Bama Bill

April 14th, 2010
3:33 pm

So, big Ben says that he did not lay a hand on that co-ed ? Where are the charges for underage drinking, providing the booze and such ? Does Ben usually take young drunk co-eds into the bath room to help him ? Is the club shut down and license revoked ? Mom and Dad’s, I would say that that is a good school and city NOT to send their children to. Thugs seem to rule the place !

GSU Eagle 91

April 14th, 2010
3:36 pm

I believe he should be suspended for his actions..He seems to live a charmed existence, though, after getting away with 2 discretions, and surviving a MC accident.
2-4 games should suffice..The Rooneys deserve better from their franchise player!

Matt

April 14th, 2010
3:39 pm

This is not a race issue. Yes Holmes is balck and Ben is white. Whoopty do. Whoever pointed that out is a genious. The reason Holmes was sent away is b/c he’s a trouble maker but also a receiver. Receivers are easier to replace than your FRANCHISE QB. A lot of people will say thats not right. Ben did this so he should be released. While he should eb suspended they did also invest over $100 Million in this guy so from a business standpoint he has to stay. Holmes is 1 more suspension away from a yearlong suspension so since he wasn’t the franchise QB he had to go. How can you call it racial when the Rooney’s (the owners of the team) created the Rooney rule making it mandatory for teams to interview a minority candidate?

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
3:42 pm

Al Sharptong

April 14th, 2010
3:24 pm
“This is America and innocent until proven guilty is the standard.”

No it’s not.

I stand by my statement, it’s a fundemental tenant of our society.

Archie

April 14th, 2010
3:42 pm

Ben did something morally wrong but it can’t be proven that he did something criminally wrong and the girl was at fault morally for getting so drunk she couldn’t make a coherent statement to the police. Rothlisberger’s biggest problem is trying to get sex by taking advantage of a stupidly drunk woman and it’s his second time having a problem where a woman thought he took advantage of her. His conduct was detrimental to the league and he should miss a game but frankly, I think it was wrong of Goodell to suspend players that just, just, because they make the league look bad. It will look like a double standard but society has a double standard when it comes to arrests and convictions and every time the numbers are run it shows up.

erika420

April 14th, 2010
3:45 pm

friendgurl’s nose IS big .. Ben needs help !!!

tman

April 14th, 2010
3:47 pm

Her nose looks that way because it is cooking from too much tanning. Stick a fork in it, it is almost done.

Archie

April 14th, 2010
3:47 pm

Matt everything you said made sense except the last statement. This can be a race issue because other guys have been suspended just for being arrested multiple times but anyway I don’t like suspensions and if Goodell had not started with that general “conduct detrimental” stuff he wouldn’t have to be aware or think about any kind of issue. In other words, punish people for specific offenses not general stuff.

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
3:50 pm

bcatl

April 14th, 2010
3:26 pm
Uga acct? No crime was prosecuted. You have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. All the prosecutor said was he couldn’t meet the reasonable doubt standard. There’s a subtle distinction being made here.

I don’t believe a prosecutor is even allowed to say, “we believe he’s innocent”. It would be disrespectful to the accuser and imply she was lying. In a case like this, the prosecutor’s statement should be issued carefully and neutrally as he did.

Feeling Free

April 14th, 2010
3:51 pm

Right is right and Wrong is wrong.. that sums it all up. If the man is gulity in the eye of the commissioner he may be punished, just like the other players before him. Hopefully race is not an issue, this is getting so darn old. I was taught to love people not the color of their skin. It’s 2010 and we are still talking about race, when will that topic end.

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
3:51 pm

Archie – Ben wasn’t arrested. Continue…

Archie

April 14th, 2010
4:09 pm

ugaaccount, I never said Ben was arrested…

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
4:14 pm

you mentioned arrests in your last two posts, as if it’s relevant to this discussion.

Archie

April 14th, 2010
4:29 pm

I did mention arrests because people were talking about the differences in punishment in the Nfl and how some guys were punished before they were even charged. It’s relevant because in society everything statistics are run you have harsher punishment for minorities for the same crime and I think what Jeff Schultz is saying that it will look like a double standard if something doesn’t happen to Ben R. for basically conduct detrimental to the league. Matt, made some good points earlier about the difference between a good receiver and a franchise quarterback as it relates to this situation but I disagreed with his last statement.

It’s true that Ben R. has never been arrested or even charged but he has been accused two times in less than a year of sexual assault and he does not deny he was in a bathroom with a young lady so it fits that general “conduct detrimental” to the team stuff. Schultz is not the only writer to mention race while discussing Ben R. Frankly, I think if Goodell had not come off as this law-and-order guy this would not be a discussion.

ugaaccountant

April 14th, 2010
4:34 pm

Arrested and Charged are both higher levels than accused. Incidentally, I don’t think any of the 3 should carry a punishment at all until a conviction, but there are large differences in the 3 words.

And also, a general “conduct detrimental” clause is b.s. in general in contract law. It’s just not the way a contract is supposed to work, not that I want to get into that. A conduct detremintal policy does lead to these kind of issues where some people honestly don’t know the difference in levels of proof in the various stories, and assume they are equal.

Basically Goddell’s dug his own grave here.

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Dan

April 14th, 2010
6:12 pm

DC Dirty Bird – I said Roethlisberger should be suspended – going into a public bathroom to engage in some sort of sexual activity with a blotto drunk 20 year old is reprehensible for a 21 year old frat boy, let alone a 28 year old multi-millionaire NFL QB.

But with regard to “precedents and technicalities” being the primary thrust of my argument, if the purpose of the NFL disciplinary policy is to deter misconduct, then it is reasonable to ask what conduct is prohibited if players are supposed to avoid engaging in that sort of conduct.

My understanding is that Goodell’s previous suspensions have involved either: 1) failing a drug test; or 2) engaging in misconduct that was sufficiently egregious to result in an arrest. Roethlisberger has not flunked a drug test (Santonio Holmes fluked another one and the Steelers gave him away this week to the Jets as an alternative to cutting him). And probable cause to arrrest Roethlisberger has not been found – in fact, the DA said the investigation did not establish probable cause that a criem had been committed.

If Roethlisberger was not being suspended after having engaged in conduct that had resulted in a non-white player being suspended, then a case of favorable treatment based on race would be established. That is not the case.

Therefore, for Jeff Schulz and Bill Rhoden of The New York Times to contend that if Roethlisberger is not suspended there s a racial double standard in play is specious. If Roethlisberger is suspended, he apparently will be the first player suspended by Goodell who has not been arrested, convicted of a crime, or failed a drug test – instad, i guess the suspension wil be based on actions in Milledgeville and a pendig civil suit in Nevada where the plaintiff has her own package of credibility problems. While I personally believe a suspension is appropriate, if Goodell imposes a suspension so the news media will quit bleating about needing to get a high profile white player’s scalp, that will constitute dscrimination against Roethlisberger on the basis of Roethlisberger’s race.

Of course after living in Atlanta for 30 years it usually come back to a racial discussion around here, a practice that is encouraged by the race baiting of such AJC writers as Mr. Schulz and his dear, departed colleague Terence Moore (who no doubt would contend the only reason the Steelers let Santonio Holmes go is becuase Holmes is black).

Just my two cents – cheers

Mike

April 14th, 2010
7:22 pm

I think Ben should be suspended because of how he conducted himself….not because ot seems like the politically correct thing to do. If he is not suspended I will be very unhappy with the NFL for allowing there players to exercise that type of behavior. However anytime disciplinary action is being considered, race should not factor into the equation.

GMann

April 14th, 2010
8:51 pm

Not all players that were suspended were charged with a crime. So, if Ben is not suspended, it looks like he is getting special treatment. Not that Goodell will consciously think to himself, “let’s not suspend Ben b/c he is white.” But, unconsciously, Ben being white could play a role in Goodell’s decision.
Personally, I think it is wrong to suspend anyone if they are not convicted. But, Goodell set a standard, and now he needs to remain consistent.

TommyJack

April 15th, 2010
8:14 am

Clearly, at the least, Big Ben is a doofus. BTW, is it me, or is he becoming a lard-azz?

Dan

April 15th, 2010
8:29 am

GMann

Please name a player whom Goodell has suspended for off the field misconduct who was not arrested, charged with a crime, convicted of a crime, or failed a drug test.

CalvinKlein

April 15th, 2010
10:48 am

Big Ben proved that he was innocent, so it turned out that he was “Gentle Ben” after all and did no wrongdoing. As it were, since Ben was exonerated, Ben should not be suspended at all and all of his LOST endorsements should be reinstated at once. Ben’s accusations were a fluke.

Just Being Real

April 15th, 2010
1:59 pm

first off f*#$ Vick cause regardless of my race(which is Black)because he didn’t play hard for my home Team, two f*&% Ben cause I can see once being accused but twice is very suspect, three for any one taking up for Ben or Vick for that matter is blinded by bias thinking, the people have been given an option in life that most don’t get and the play with it like it’s a joke, it’s really sad how the slap us all in the face and yet we still find was to defend them.

egeagle

April 15th, 2010
3:35 pm

It’s funny how the most virulent racists and bigots are the ones who scream it loudest. junebaby, Vickstrap, Cousin Charlie, et al. Don’t forget MCR, either, who only hates Matt becasue he’s white. These A-clowns have used many bigotry-laced code words used by blacks with impunity because stupid libs think they can assuage their “”white guilt”Vick had GAMBLING debts and he probably shaved a few points in his time. I still see him fumbling a ball without even being hit in an inexplicable loss to the Lions years ago. Race is all these fools can think of or express. They are no better or worse than JB Stoner or his ilk. As for charges, why can’t I call Michael Jackson a child molester. 14 mil in hush money is OK if you’re black. There is no content to your collective characters.

Camden Mark

April 15th, 2010
10:39 pm

I think in this day and age we are way past this “race” crap.
Ben has not only not been arrested he hasn’t even been charged,with anything.
Red yellow black or white,there should be no suspension in sight,not in this case

ejj

April 15th, 2010
11:04 pm

I didn’t realize until now how racist this state really is. Bloggers constantly talk about Vick, he served his punishment, and he isn’t even in the state. This clown has an second sexual incident, and the GBI finds residue, but won’t try him. Mville should have tried him, its bs.

san diego dawg

April 16th, 2010
1:53 am

Something is not right with this young man. I think he should be suspended for mandatory therapy. There is a pattern going on here with his life away from football and it is not good. Ben needs help ridding whatever he is suppressing before it is too late. I’d hate to see him continue down this same path and end up as another tragic celebrity story. I am somewhat surprised that the Steelers organization have not assigned a mentor to Ben.

BET

April 16th, 2010
8:27 am

To defend Ben’s actions is flat out disgusting. Ben is a very lucky man, and he should galdy accept his suspension. He will be suspended at least two games. Aaron please go get help while you still have time. There is something very wrong with YOU.

ATL Observer

April 16th, 2010
3:15 pm

“Rapistberger raping women = one game suspension
Vick fighting dogs = 2 years in prison”

How about this for accuracy?:
“Not enough evidence to charge = possible suspension
Vick PLEADING GUILTY = 2 years in prison”

If Vick HADN’T PLEAD GUILTY, then maybe there would have been no jail (although the overwhelming evidence suggests he probably would have).

Roethlisberger *should* be suspended. I figure 2-4 games is about right. His conduct has been detrimental to the league, regardless of whether or not he raped one or both of these women. And if he really DID rape either one, she/they should not be so disgustingly low as to allow such a horrific offense to be worthy of a payoff.

ATL Observer

April 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

Additional note: on a more humorous note, Ben’s haircut was worthy of a suspension for conduct detrimental to the league also.

Pel

April 17th, 2010
12:18 pm

I wonder what the men who have daughters think about this situation?

Strait

April 17th, 2010
9:04 pm

Jeff, you’re as big an idiot as Ben is. By the way, just what is an “African American”? You’re a drone.

Jimmy

April 18th, 2010
3:13 pm

Public Opinion carries allot of weight in situations involving professional athletes who make bad decisions. I don’t agree with the race being a issue here as far as what decision will be made. With that said, if this young lady was not paid hush money, at some point you can expect to see her on a talk show or TMZ or on ‘E’ selling and telling her side of the story. Big Ben better hope she doesn’t breakdown crying when telling her story of her being dragged to a bathroom and him forcing her to have sex with her telling him ‘No’. This would be a nightmare for the NFL and the Steelers organization. Bottom line here is that something was covered up and for some reason, nobody is talking yet, which speaks volumes. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see some Breaking Story on the eve training camp or the season opener. Stay Tuned.

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11:39 am

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Christian Values

April 21st, 2010
1:12 pm

Wow, some of you really need professional help…Unfortunately race is going to play a part in this.. Football used to even the playing field.. Guys getting together to watch the game regardless of race, creed, religion, political affiliation.. Big Ben should have been suspended. As far as Vick is concerned, he deserves a chance at redemption not destruction.. Unfortunately regardless of the situation, many of you believe in destruction not redemption for Black athletes.

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Sam

April 21st, 2010
4:51 pm

Good job Shultz!!!
I’m Black…and I see the
“race card” in everything…..so I am glad you “played the race card” first.
I put race card in quotes because there a lots of unaware whites that believe that racism and double standards when it comes to race are dead….and if you inject race in any form into the conversation….then you are “playing the race card”. Props to you.
As far as Vick vs. Ben is concerned…Vick killed dogs….Ben raped human beings. Which is worse??? Hurting a human being is always worse than killing an animal.

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William Brown

April 22nd, 2010
6:06 am

Underage drinking is a charge in many states. Nothing was said in this case. That seems to be the case in white people land. Maybe if he would have plied a dog with alcohol and had his way with the dog there would be more outrage. Too bad, it’s only a woman that’s not old enough to drink legally.

pskom

April 28th, 2010
10:33 am

Roger Goodell should be suspended without pay. By suspending a player for engaging in legal and harmless indulgences, he has undermined the integrity and reputation of the NFL. The saddest aspect of all of this is the message that Goodell is sending to our impressionable children: that living your own life to your own standards, regardless of whether or not others are harmned, can be punishable by the self-righteous.

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