Vick a non-factor, Dungy uncertain what will come of him

Michael Vick left the sideline for only two plays in Philadelphia's loss at Oakland.

Michael Vick left the Eagles' sideline for only two plays at Oakland.

It’s only five games into Philadelphia’s season and three games back into Michael Vick’s NFL career. But it’s clear the Eagles still haven’t figured out what to do with Vick.

This news won’t crush the Falcons. The Eagles are another potential NFC playoff team  (or at least so we thought until they managed to lose at Oakland Sunday). The Falcons never would admit this publicly, but the last thing they want to see is their former quarterback make a significant contribution to a conference rival. But Vick played only two snaps at Oakland — and neither as a quarterback. He lost four yards on a run and was a decoy on another play.

Impressed?

Here’s something else interesting. I spoke Monday night to Tony Dungy, Vick’s post-prison, quasi-mentor. Dungy reiterated what most believe — that Philadelphia was a good organization for Vick to go to because of the organization’s long run of success and stability. He said he still speaks to Vick, “once a week, and we text back and forth. He’s doing well.”

But when the subject turned to football, Dungy clearly was less certain about Vick’s future.

“I don’t know what the future holds for him on the field, but off the field I know being with someone like [Eagles coach] Andy Reid in Philadelphia was the best thing for him,” Dungy said.

“You never know about the football part of it. You have to get with the right team and have the right opportunity, and there’s just not that many places to go. There aren’t that many teams looking for starting quarterbacks. Then there’s the aspect of whether he can come back after two and a half years of not playing.”

Question: Does Dungy believe Vick will succeed in football again?

Answer: “That remains to be seen. That’s the wild card question. I think he’ll give it 100 percent. Emotionally I think he’ll give it more than he’s ever given. It remains to be seen if he gets it back physically.”

Vick has played in three games. He is one for five passing (for one yard) and has six rushes for 13 yards. He has been a non-factor in Philly’s version of the “Wildcat” (or “Spread Eagle”) offense.

Columnist Bob Ford of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote a scathing review of what the Eagles have gotten out of the Vick signing so far. An excerpt:

Since Vick has been eligible to play, he hasn’t been used much at all, and the Spread Eagle is little more than a funny-shaped curiosity stuffed into a corner of the offensive attic with a bed sheet over it.

There have been hints that much more is to come – could there somehow be less? – and that they have “only scratched the surface of its possibilities,” much as a dog tentatively investigates its ear with a hind leg.

One would think that Sunday provided a perfect opportunity to crank up the Vick plays and see what would happen. The Eagles were not moving the ball against a bad team. Their offensive line was down to seeds and stems. Brian Westbrook was gimpy again. McNabb was taking a beating and not looking particularly mobile.

It was a situation that yelped for trying something different, and even those who have wondered if all the Vick upheaval was worth it – present typist included – figured this was what Reid had in mind all along.

Well, we’re still waiting.

Final note on this: If nothing else, the PETA-fed circus that figured to follow Vick has been relatively low key, although there were about 30 protesters outside of the Oakland Coliseum for Vick’s first road game. Here’s a flashback for you: an airplane circled the stadium, pulling a banner that read: “Dog Fighter Go Home.”

I’m guessing you don’t miss those days.

301 comments Add your comment

don pardo

October 20th, 2009
7:43 am

I have to admit after all he put us through I am not sorry to see Vick is a non factor with an NFC rival.
But the truth is in the end the Falcon’s are truly better off without Vick. Plus Blank learned a lesson that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Scott Case

October 20th, 2009
7:45 am

Scott Case

October 20th, 2009
7:45 am

DJ

October 20th, 2009
7:51 am

Vick gets about as much use as – say – Chris Redmon. If the Eagles continue the direction started against the Pidgeons then the Eagles will need to decide if next year’s 5 million option will need to be excercised.

No doubt Vick can improve alot of teams this year if for nothing else but sell tickets and excite the local fans. He still has an arm and as far as I can tell he has a new-found dedication not witnessed during his years here in the ATL. He just needs more reps before we will know if he is capable and if McNabb etal don’t start gettin it done I suspect we will see more of MV7.

SimpleDawg

October 20th, 2009
8:01 am

Mike Vick is no longer relevant in professional football….he’s a freak show at best….he’s not even relevant enough to be a polarizing stake in the heart of a team anymore.

Thankfully, he’s someone else’s problem now.

Scott Case

October 20th, 2009
8:05 am

He was alot of fun to watch in the beginning and could quite possibly be again. Regardless of what others may think of him being able to read defenses,check down or throw a good ball. I think even if surrounded by some of the best in the game he might still find it hard to play within a team concept. Because of his abilities, he has never felt the need to rely on anyone but himself. All this being said, he will probably be competeing for a starting Q/B position next year with someone.
I will be happy when he becomes a non-factor in the AjC !

Eternal Optimist

October 20th, 2009
8:13 am

Every opportunity this paper gets to kick this guy the aim low. Come on people. The guy is two years removed from playin pro ball and he’s the third string QB on a possible play off bound team. What do you expect? Do you expect the guy to go out there at this stage and be relevant if so you’re somewhere below stupid. Vick will be ok. By seasons end we will have a sense on where his career may possibly go from here, until then just give the guy a break. No need to wish the worst on someone who’s paid there pennance and then some. The AJC needs to get over themselves. Vick is in Philly. I thought this was a Falcons city….???

SOUTHERN ATL

October 20th, 2009
8:27 am

If you would like to know what is going on with Michael Vick, visit his website for the entire up to the minute information….

http://www.mikevick.ning.com

midnite

October 20th, 2009
8:28 am

I’ll bet Mike Vick is not down to “seeds and stems”. His stash is always full. Thats why he will violate his parole. Many times a chance will only come around one time, he had his chance and was too stupid to make the best of it. He is finished.

lawton

October 20th, 2009
8:34 am

chris redman can sell insurance, and get back into the league with no questions, but vick has to PROVE himself, a former first pick of a WHOLE DRAFT, and he gets questioned????

Nativebird

October 20th, 2009
8:36 am

Don’t really see why such the effort to help this guy play again? He’s not contributing, his type of game doesn’t fit the Eagle offense. He’s not the backup Quarterback. Hmmm. Maybe Rush Limbaugh was right in 2003 about the NFL and the Media, just not about Donovan.

Pago Flyer

October 20th, 2009
8:43 am

Andy Reid a good influence?? Look at his sons in and out of jail!
Word on the street..if vick ever scores a td he’ll spike a poodle instead of a football. Pretty funny…

FALCONS SORRY

October 20th, 2009
8:46 am

Where are you?????

JIM BOB

October 20th, 2009
8:47 am

All he needs is another opportunity.
The “dog thing” is over. He did his time and paid dearly for it.
He will succeed when he gets an opportunity to run an offense.
I am proud of the Eagles for giving him a team to start back in the NFL.
They need to use him more or ship him off to another team.

NC Braves Fan

October 20th, 2009
8:48 am

I doubt Vick is done getting chances. It’s still very early in the process.

What he did was terrible, but he served his time and now begins the long journey back if he can make it.

I don’t wish him ill, I just wish our guys a lot better.

Jamaaliver

October 20th, 2009
8:54 am

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion we’ll see much more of the Vick led Spread Eagle offense when Philly visits ATL?

Eric

October 20th, 2009
8:59 am

Good thing about Vick, he and Petrino are gone from here and Matt and Mike are so much better. In a roundabout way, I guess we can thank Vick for that. Go Falcons!

Mike Jay

October 20th, 2009
9:00 am

Redman didn’t commit multiple felons and lose two years to jail time, so yea he does not get questioned because it is all bout talent and capabilities with him. With Vick you have a whole other mess of issues so he gets questions on weither the headaches (current and potential) or worth whatever talent he might have left.

Paul A

October 20th, 2009
9:01 am

Thank goodness – Another Mike Vick blog !

Hater here…. Mike Vick should be fed to a pack of wolves. He should have to suffer and scream in torture and pain.

He got off easy…. The NFL is a disgrace.

Supes

October 20th, 2009
9:02 am

Shultz,

why must you “fan flames” when there is no need to?

there are 3-5 people on the online blogs who are MV Trolls and relish the opportunity to flame when anything football/falcon related is posted.

How is MV “relevant” to anything Atlanta related anymore?

The so called “MV supporters” are not true Falcons fans.

F-105 Thunderchief

October 20th, 2009
9:06 am

What’s his speed like? Has an 40 time been released, leaked? I guess we’ll see more as time goes on, but yeah, the Raiders seemed a perfect team to open up a can of Vick on. Maybe the can’s empty.

Reid Adair

October 20th, 2009
9:07 am

How anybody can honestly be surprised by the former #7’s lack of effectiveness is truly beyond comprehension. The man was out of the game for more than two years. I don’t care how much he worked out. It’s not the same when you aren’t out there working out and practicing with folks who compete at that same level.

I am glad he’s not in Atlanta, and I believe he has paid his debt to society. But I don’t believe he will ever be anywhere close to the player he was before his legal problems started.

Marie

October 20th, 2009
9:09 am

Jeff, do you really think McNabb is going to share snaps with Vick? They used him more in that 1 game with Kolb as the starting QB and since McNabb has come back Vick has received very little playing time.

It was McNabb that started whining during a pre-season game about shuffling Vick in and off the field. He couldn’t get his groove going — yeah what happened to your groove Sunday McNabb. You called a timeout when the team didn’t have one which probably resulted in your team losing this game; instead of a touchdown you end up with a field goal.

Kolb said he had no problem with Vick coming into the game and said it actually helped him. Bottom Line: McNabb wants to be the only superstar in Philly which is why TO and Garcia have been sent packing in the past.

However, the Eagles have moved Vick to the #2 spot (not sure if it was just for the Oakland game but I doubt it) and Kolb is now #3. And that is probably an indication that Vick has made significant progress.

And although you just won’t come out and say it Jeff we all can read between the lines. YOU WANT VICK TO FAIL!! You and the rest of the erstwhile left-wing media that attacks Rush for “attacking” black athletes while you guys do such a bang-up job doing this yourselves.

Paddy

October 20th, 2009
9:09 am

I like Redman. I would buy insurance from him.

Ryan

October 20th, 2009
9:10 am

If Vick wants a chance to play he is going t ohave to go to a horrible team like Oakland.

ConVick

October 20th, 2009
9:12 am

Jeff, please let it go. This man is not a falcon, he’s an idiot, he had his chance and blew it. Why are you wasting valuable space on this hack? So tommorow you going to do a piece on Ray Lewis or Lenoard Little? If you keep feeding the Roaches they stay around.

And please don’t even pretend the Falcons are worried about this looser. Let him play when him and the Eagles come down here. The Falcons will just show even more his inability to be an NFL QB.

He is a plain out street thug, always has been and always will be.

And to all of VICKERS, please go ahead and wear your #7 jersey at the game, your just showing your allegiance to an ex con, something to be real proud of. I just look at it as “Here’s your sign”

Russ

October 20th, 2009
9:13 am

Michael Vick would get my vote as NFL MVP to this point in the season. He has been dominant.

Steeler's Fan

October 20th, 2009
9:16 am

My goodness…move on folks. You all write some of the craziest stuff. Just like the civil war, get over it!

ME

October 20th, 2009
9:18 am

JIM BOOB….Vick and succeed do not belong in the same sentence.

He’s done!!!

collegeballfan

October 20th, 2009
9:18 am

With Williams going down I think the Falcon defense is in real trouble.

Can TD & MS pull off some kind of miracle? Or is miracle time over?

I would just hate to play NO without a full stable of quality DB’s.

Just An Observation

October 20th, 2009
9:23 am

SCHULTZ WHO CARES??? I DON’T, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DO!!!!!

PMC

October 20th, 2009
9:24 am

He’s fine, he’ll get an opportunity, he needs a year to get back into the swing of the NFL. What comes of him is up to his work eithic. If he wants to be a good QB he’ll be one. He’s got ridiculous amounts of talent. He’s got to work at becoming a good QB, he never had to do that until the NFL. He’s better than quite a few guys starting now once he gets really game fit again.

PMC

October 20th, 2009
9:25 am

It’s really time to forgive this guy and let him go.

Rod

October 20th, 2009
9:26 am

Jeff, get a life and move on.

U-no

October 20th, 2009
9:28 am

I can’t even begin to tell you how much I don’t care about hearing anything about MV. It has not even a slight bit of relevance to what is happening with the Falcons, Atlanta, or Georgia. Let’s move on, for crying out loud!

Asheville Dawg

October 20th, 2009
9:30 am

OK Schultz, it is a slow couple of days here in the sports world (MNF, a couple baseball games), so lets write about the third string QB in Philly Mike Vick.He’s not what he once was! He was out of the game for two years, been crucified, and doesn’t seem to be able to displace McNabb or Kolb. Give him a year or two,because some NFL team will give him a shot, and we will see. His first two years with the Falcons were exciting, but he leveled off. He will always be described as “that dog fighting convict” where ever he winds up. Good luck to him in the AFC.

Bow Wow

October 20th, 2009
9:32 am

Brian Van Gorder

October 20th, 2009
9:34 am

Can Vick play cornerback?

The Grinch

October 20th, 2009
9:34 am

The Saints are who we should be worried about, not the Eagles. And the loss of Williams is potentially devastating. Perhaps Dimitroff will do something by the trade deadline; Ty Hill has probably inactive this whole time for a reason. This team is showing some resolve this year and I’d hate to see the season derailed by one position.

j

October 20th, 2009
9:38 am

If rush fails mike vick is always around to stir up a debate.

Jeff in the history of the NFL when has a backup QB ever been a factor in any game in which the starter has played 99% of the snaps.

Philly is Donovan Mcnabb’s team.

How much did Daunte Culpepper play before stafford was injured?

He is adjusting to life outside of prison.

Vick Supporter

October 20th, 2009
9:40 am

Of course, the AJC would bash Vick. People expect this man to just come in and take McNabb’s team,lol. We all know that McNabb wants to be the only Superstar on his team, and frankly, he’s earned that right. If Reid puts Vick in the game, McNabb will get pissed. If I were Vick, I wouldn’t worry about getting on the field and all of the outside expectations heaped upon him. He just needed to get back in the NFL and on a practice field WITH SOME REAL COACHES/AND REAL ORGANIZATION. The Falcons definitely wasn’t that during his time here. Vick deserves some blame also, but the Falcons organization has found stability and order for the firsttime EVER. I can honestly say the Falcons are doing things the right way now, and good for them.

Vick is my QB, but I never expected him to go to Philly and take over….anyone with any football sense knows this. Could Vick play right now? I think so, but I don’t it would be beneficial to him because of the pressure and by everyone in the world knowing he is the most physically gifted player in the NFL. He never had the coach that pushed him mentally since Dan Reeves left, and sadly, Vick didn’t push himself as hard as he should have. That all goes with having out of this world ability, an owner who “coddled” him, and being “coddled” his entire football career.

IN MY OPINION, Vick needed to be brought back down to earth and be humbled, and that has definitely happened. He knows how to play QB in this league and he knows how to win…deep down..you falcon “fans” know this and have seen it with your own eyes.

Vick will shine again.

Dec 6th….and yes, I will be at that game with my Vick jersey as will thousands of others will have theirs.

DecaturNative

October 20th, 2009
9:41 am

I agree Grinch! Breeus and the Saints have been born again!

Manny

October 20th, 2009
9:45 am

Vick isn’t a factor because he’s a backup QB. Which is a good thing. All that “Vick is going to be used every game” mess was smoke. The bottom line is that Vick needs to be holding a clipboard, not under center.

Why do I say that? Vick is learning and working hard. He’s getting into shape and practicing. And he will get his shot next year. Somewhere else.

Tony

October 20th, 2009
9:45 am

It’s been proven, prison boxing leagues can improve your skills as a boxer….but as a pro football player, playing prison flag football? Not so much.

Toots

October 20th, 2009
9:47 am

Pete Rose should never be allowed in the Hall of Fame. There. I said it.

MAD-DONNA

October 20th, 2009
9:50 am

J. Schultz, I am not surprised after reading some of your commentaries that you are so full of hate for MV. However, I can’t believe how much time you spend on something you despise so much, but I’m guessing it helps your low self-esteem. That’s usually the case when one speaks so often about the misfortunes of others. Man, get over yourself!

PFunk

October 20th, 2009
9:50 am

mark

October 20th, 2009
9:51 am

Buffalo and Cleveland desperately need QB worth a $hit. Panthers need to get rid of Delhomme, Jaguars need to get rid of theirs. There’s plenty of lousy teams that could take a chance.

midnite

October 20th, 2009
9:51 am

@Vick Supporter-Dec 6th….and yes, I will be at that game with my Vick jersey as will thousands of others will have theirs.

Good for you, you will look like ignorant just like the other handful of clowns wearing a Vick jersey. Support your local felon. What has Vick done since the first half of 2005? NOTHING!

Supes

October 20th, 2009
9:52 am

Dec 6th….and yes, I will be at that game with my Vick jersey as will thousands of others will have theirs.

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“thousands of others”

funniest thing I’ve ever read on an ajc blog.

keep dreaming troll.