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Javier Vazquez is be pitching for own future, as well as Braves.

Javier Vazquez is be pitching for own future, as well as Braves.

Frank Wren went into the off-season last a year ago knowing he would need to add starting pitching. He will go into the off-season this year realizing he needs to subtract.

One obvious conclusion: “It will probably be a little less stressful this winter,” the Braves general manager said.

Somewhat. But a significant issue has been hanging over the Braves all season, and the core of that issue was on the mound Wednesday night. Javier Vazquez, the same pitcher whose heart and big-game ability was questioned last season by the Chicago White Sox’ turbo-lipped manager, Ozzie Guillen, has been Atlanta’s best starter this season. He went into the Florida game with a 15-9 record and 2.83 ERA (4-0, 1.93 in this improbable September).

There’s also a chance he was starting his final game as a Brave.

“I’m not going to get into our decision-making, and I don’t know, quite frankly, what we’re going to do,” Wren said. “We’ll sit down and look at all of our options. It just depends how we configure our ballclub. At the end of the day, it’s how do we put the best team on the field and what 25 players allow us to do that.”

This topic has been debated ad nauseam. The problem is that the season is about to expire, and we’re no closer to clarity. The Braves have six starting pitchers and one has to go – not just to the bullpen, but to another team. Payroll says this. Logic screams it.

The thought of dealing Vazquez seems ludicrous, even with a poor outing Wednesday. Imagine what the top of the rotation would look like next season with these three starters and their respective ERAs: Vazquez (2.83), Tommy Hanson (2.98) and Jair Jurrjens (2.61). But the only thing we know for certain is Hanson and Jurrjens will be here. We also know Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami probably will be here because they carry bloated contracts that don’t nearly match their production. It’s likely no other team would touch them even in a normal economic climate, let alone amid today’s global budget-shrinkage.

That leaves Vazquez and Tim Hudson. Hudson has a $12 million option for next season. He has looked pretty good since coming off Tommy John surgery, Tuesday’s 5-4 loss to Florida notwithstanding. If you’re the Braves, can you just let him walk?

The answer should be yes. Hudson hasn’t been the dominant top-of-the-rotation starter the Braves hoped for when they acquired him. Now is not the time to assume he’s going to turn into that. If it’s really about keeping the best guys, Vazquez stays and Hudson goes.

Here’s Wren on Hudson at his non-committal best before the game: “He’s come back and he’s shown us that he’s healthy and he’s able to pitch at this level. When we get to the appropriate time, we’ll announce our decision on how we’ll move forward.”

I’m guessing he would’ve given the same answer if I asked, “What do you think? Plums or peaches next week at Kroger?”

It was clear Vazquez did not have his best stuff Wednesday. Through three innings, he had already allowed three runs (though only one earned), five hits, a wild pitch, a hit batter and a ground ball through the legs of Chipper Jones. Then came a two-run homer in the fifth. That said, he has had a career-best season. It’s odd, given the Braves are his fifth team in the past seven seasons, and he was ripped by Guillen late last season for not coming through in the clutch.

Wren obviously disagrees. Consider what Vazquez has done in September and on the road this season:10-2, 2.80. (Strangely, he has struggled on the road.)

“Knowing Javy from afar, and now seeing him up close, I think he’s as solid as a rock,” Wren said. “We thought we were getting a real good starting pitcher. He had a history of durability and going to the post. He’s lived up to it.”

Maybe not Wednesday. But he’s a better option than Hudson.

461 comments Add your comment

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
8:55 pm

Norton is playin oh great he best workin in sewers then a MLB player

NCBravesFan

September 30th, 2009
8:56 pm

Well Braves – in the immortal words of Andy Dufresne, “Get busy living, or get busy dying.”

Tyler

September 30th, 2009
8:56 pm

What is wrong with Cox… Greg Norton, again!

Zach

September 30th, 2009
8:57 pm

what a freaking surprise…norton strikes out at ball in the dirt

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:58 pm

And the MVP strikes out!

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
8:58 pm

Of course Greg Norton that is illegal son he had many years ago…he wants him to strike out so we can throw coke at him

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
8:58 pm

thats one reason why bobby cox is a moron and should of never been signed again. greg norton is 6-60 this yr and u put him in now to of course strike out.. wow

Tyler

September 30th, 2009
8:59 pm

That right there, plus his handling of the bullpen, is sole reason that I will not be sad to see Cox retire.

Max

September 30th, 2009
8:59 pm

Schultz must be bored out of his mind. Not much commentary tonight. He sure was a believer yesterday.

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
9:00 pm

well greg Norton Must have fought was Greg Norman the golfer n forgot where at….and we goin have Bobby cox n friend back they say 2010 be better i afraid its 2011…after the cox era is done

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:00 pm

Haha! GO FISH!

Terry

September 30th, 2009
9:01 pm

Hawaii LA Tech is more exciting than the braves. LOL

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:01 pm

Hey Jeff! Do you still believe? Haha!

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
9:02 pm

why yes Bobby Colton he believes in peter pan n tinker bell will make them win…..lol

rabiddawg

September 30th, 2009
9:03 pm

Damn these braves… Two weeks ago I wrote this team off and was ok with the fact that the playoffs were out of the question. I told myself as well as friends that I was done with this baseball season unless the braves closed within 2 games which they did. I became very interested again only to get let down. Well 2010 looks good.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:04 pm

Hey Jeff! What is your favorite food to eat at Turner Field?

Ethel Mertz

September 30th, 2009
9:04 pm

What is it with these two clowns on TV? They aren’t saying a word. Maybe they are choked up but isn’t it their job to give us some sort of narrative and analysis? When the Braves are doing well they never shut their yaps.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
9:04 pm

way to goo.. goodnight and see ya next yr.. we shall see this team needs a new everything. bobby cox should have been told he is not coming back yet we sign him to a one yr deal again. he manages like a fat slob.. 4 yrs of garbage baseball and hes rewarded for managing like this. who cares if ur over 500.. there are huge issues frank wren needs to deal with and one is gettin rid of bobby cox..

Preston Hannatized

September 30th, 2009
9:05 pm

What an indictment of the senile old man in the corner of the dugout. “Let’s go Nort!” With the team facing perhaps a last gasp rally, who does he send up but Greg Norton? Who promptly fans. In sports, you fail publicly and it’s cruel but Norton sucks. Bonus points for Boog and Joe saying basically WTF is Norton doing up in this situation. When Kelly Johnson appears to be the better alternative, Mr. Norton, it is time for a career change. That was sad but typical of “old Bobby.” Players love him. And how’s that McLouth deal looking now, Mr. Wren. Would you like to wreconsider?

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:06 pm

Haha! GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:06 pm

GO KANSAS CITY ROYALS!

Scott

September 30th, 2009
9:07 pm

Bobby Cox and Bobby Bowden. Both need to get the heck out of coaching. So sick of this crap.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
9:07 pm

nope 13 k’s and 2 hits and gettin spanked by florida and if colorado wins tonight its all over..

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:07 pm

9 OUTS AND THEN I CAN CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Preston Hannatized

September 30th, 2009
9:08 pm

By the way, Thrashers GM Don Waddell says Frank Wren is doing a great job and building a winner here in Atlanta.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:08 pm

Hey Scott. Who is your favorite Braves player?

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:08 pm

If yoru happy and you know it, type 1!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:09 pm

Dumbfound

September 30th, 2009
9:09 pm

Jeff, Can you block the man that Bobby Colton away from this blog ?! He was no respect for anybody here trying to cheer the Braves on.

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
9:09 pm

well no the magic number be 1 if we lose n rockies win…..with for to go…..since the nats are comin we be so happy to see them we will roll out the carpet n lose 3 out of 4 to a team who has lost over 103 Games this year!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:09 pm

Scott

September 30th, 2009
9:09 pm

Bob Horner is my all time. Currently I don’t have one. I liked Smoltz and Maddux before they were let go.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:10 pm

Alright. It’s rally time for the Braves. We got the big hitters coming up.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
9:10 pm

scott I cant disagree with u more.. both guys should be told there coachin and managerial duties are done. for florida state my team as well to lose to miami the way they did. horrible management of a football game and then lose to South florida at home? uhh just go home and retire both of u.. time for new life and a new style..

NCBravesFan

September 30th, 2009
9:12 pm

I think I see Jeff Schultz in the crowd buying beer and pretzels for the entire second deck! That’ll set him back at least $30.

Preston Hannatized

September 30th, 2009
9:12 pm

Schultz has gone to top up his resume for ESPN Atlanta.

Kevin

September 30th, 2009
9:12 pm

So remember like us The cubs Mire in 2nd are 1st are out like us…however they have empty seats more i guess when u choke like braves do it like a fever!

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
9:12 pm

Down 5 and 1st pitch swinging by the Chip. Guess you gotta get those good huntin’ spots early.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:13 pm

My favorite Phillie is Jason Werth!

Scott

September 30th, 2009
9:13 pm

Jeff…is your last name Bowden? haha j/k. And what is even more disturbing with fsu is jimbo. I don’t feel any better with him and he’s due what, 5 million if we back out. Such a mess in Tally. Sorry for the ot fsu rant. I will leave now.

FlaReptile

September 30th, 2009
9:13 pm

Can’t blame the fans. They braves have choked the last three or four years when they have a chance to get close in the race. The bad thing is not that they lose, it’s that they get blown out. The braves will never win another title as long as they dont add the element of speed to the lineup. Everyone sees that except the front office, that is what frustrates the fans, same team different year.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:13 pm

Haha. I love MLB Gameday…it says Brian McCann grounds out SOFTLY…..haha!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:14 pm

Omg. I just had a heart attack as the Braves just got a hit.

Dumbfound

September 30th, 2009
9:14 pm

These are not real baseball players. Can’t win under pressure no wonder people don’t get behind these Braves. It just don’t make any sense !!!!

Danny G

September 30th, 2009
9:14 pm

Turn out the lights! The Party’s over.

Dan

September 30th, 2009
9:15 pm

One, if not the most important game of the year and the braves decide to have the worst offensive showing of the season. Ricky Nolazco. Are you kidding me? A mediocre third tier pitcher carving up the Braves hitters. Chipper Jones, calling out the fans, what a joke!!!
I definitely thought that the Braves would show more heart tonight. Great run, but like always, all for nothing.

The Dust

September 30th, 2009
9:15 pm

Brewers lead 2-1 in second inning.

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
9:15 pm

Hey, Brew Crew is up 2-1, though.

Preston Hannatized

September 30th, 2009
9:15 pm

Frank Wren = Rick McKay – they look good in a suit and at a news conference but when it comes to W’s and L’s, they’re in over their pompadours.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
9:15 pm

Dangit Florida!!!!! Field the dang ball.