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Javier Vazquez is be pitching for own future, as well as Braves.

Javier Vazquez is be pitching for own future, as well as Braves.

Frank Wren went into the off-season last a year ago knowing he would need to add starting pitching. He will go into the off-season this year realizing he needs to subtract.

One obvious conclusion: “It will probably be a little less stressful this winter,” the Braves general manager said.

Somewhat. But a significant issue has been hanging over the Braves all season, and the core of that issue was on the mound Wednesday night. Javier Vazquez, the same pitcher whose heart and big-game ability was questioned last season by the Chicago White Sox’ turbo-lipped manager, Ozzie Guillen, has been Atlanta’s best starter this season. He went into the Florida game with a 15-9 record and 2.83 ERA (4-0, 1.93 in this improbable September).

There’s also a chance he was starting his final game as a Brave.

“I’m not going to get into our decision-making, and I don’t know, quite frankly, what we’re going to do,” Wren said. “We’ll sit down and look at all of our options. It just depends how we configure our ballclub. At the end of the day, it’s how do we put the best team on the field and what 25 players allow us to do that.”

This topic has been debated ad nauseam. The problem is that the season is about to expire, and we’re no closer to clarity. The Braves have six starting pitchers and one has to go – not just to the bullpen, but to another team. Payroll says this. Logic screams it.

The thought of dealing Vazquez seems ludicrous, even with a poor outing Wednesday. Imagine what the top of the rotation would look like next season with these three starters and their respective ERAs: Vazquez (2.83), Tommy Hanson (2.98) and Jair Jurrjens (2.61). But the only thing we know for certain is Hanson and Jurrjens will be here. We also know Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami probably will be here because they carry bloated contracts that don’t nearly match their production. It’s likely no other team would touch them even in a normal economic climate, let alone amid today’s global budget-shrinkage.

That leaves Vazquez and Tim Hudson. Hudson has a $12 million option for next season. He has looked pretty good since coming off Tommy John surgery, Tuesday’s 5-4 loss to Florida notwithstanding. If you’re the Braves, can you just let him walk?

The answer should be yes. Hudson hasn’t been the dominant top-of-the-rotation starter the Braves hoped for when they acquired him. Now is not the time to assume he’s going to turn into that. If it’s really about keeping the best guys, Vazquez stays and Hudson goes.

Here’s Wren on Hudson at his non-committal best before the game: “He’s come back and he’s shown us that he’s healthy and he’s able to pitch at this level. When we get to the appropriate time, we’ll announce our decision on how we’ll move forward.”

I’m guessing he would’ve given the same answer if I asked, “What do you think? Plums or peaches next week at Kroger?”

It was clear Vazquez did not have his best stuff Wednesday. Through three innings, he had already allowed three runs (though only one earned), five hits, a wild pitch, a hit batter and a ground ball through the legs of Chipper Jones. Then came a two-run homer in the fifth. That said, he has had a career-best season. It’s odd, given the Braves are his fifth team in the past seven seasons, and he was ripped by Guillen late last season for not coming through in the clutch.

Wren obviously disagrees. Consider what Vazquez has done in September and on the road this season:10-2, 2.80. (Strangely, he has struggled on the road.)

“Knowing Javy from afar, and now seeing him up close, I think he’s as solid as a rock,” Wren said. “We thought we were getting a real good starting pitcher. He had a history of durability and going to the post. He’s lived up to it.”

Maybe not Wednesday. But he’s a better option than Hudson.

461 comments Add your comment

Dallas

September 30th, 2009
8:08 pm

*6 k’s in 9 outs

pretty “punk” indeed Joe Simpson

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:08 pm

Haha! Strikeout, yes!!! Go Marlins!

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
8:09 pm

7 strikeouts in 9 ABs. That ain’t answering the bell, fellas.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:10 pm

Will the Braves be one hit tonight? Find out on SportSouth in Sparkling HD!

MightyQuinn

September 30th, 2009
8:10 pm

Ok, I’m not a constant Cox basher on any of these blogs, but tonight points to a perpetual problem I have with Bobby. When they showed on tv that JV’s ERA to the Fish was over 5, and he was 0-2 against this year, assuming the Braves know this, why wouldn’t BC work the rotation to give KK a start and hold Vasquez for the Nats?

Ronald Millsaps

September 30th, 2009
8:11 pm

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:11 pm

Will the Braves be one hit tonight? Find out tonight on SportSouth in sparkling HD!

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
8:12 pm

Not that it matters tonite because no one wants to touch the ball, but why isn’t Diaz still hitting leadoff after tearing the cover off of the ball up there, and why in heavens name is GA still hitting 5th? The guy isn’t even hitting his weight in September. Wouldn’t LaRoche fit better there?

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:14 pm

Every swing and a miss. Every choke. Every out. Every flyout. Every weak groundout. Every error. This is your choked team. SportSouth.

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
8:16 pm

Just read the boxscore a minute ago, 22ND error of the year for Chipper. Ouch.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:17 pm

Nate has got to do something here. Walk, hit, hit by pitch, something.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:19 pm

And Nate strikes out. Muhahahahahahaha!

Jeff Schultz

September 30th, 2009
8:19 pm

IowaBrave — Yes, Chipper leads the team. Updated: Chipper 22, Escobar 13, McCann 12, Kelly Johnson 10

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
8:20 pm

7 k’s in 2 1/4 innings not gonna do it..

My Braves

September 30th, 2009
8:20 pm

Get something started, Martin!!!!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:20 pm

We need new commentators. John and Joe are boring. Yawn.

Chris

September 30th, 2009
8:20 pm

How bad of an E on Chipper, tough play, or did he just blow it?

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:21 pm

Haha! Heck yes. Marlins rock. Go FISH! Keep striking out these sorry Braves.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
8:21 pm

8 k’s out of the 11 outs not even 3 innings old? game over shesshhh…

Dallas

September 30th, 2009
8:22 pm

Come on Braves, 5 more non K outs and we won’t end up with 20!

MightyQuinn

September 30th, 2009
8:22 pm

To expand on my 8:10 post, Bobby has almost always managed the postseason exactly like the regular season. And for all practical purposes we are already in the postseason. Sometimes the status quo doesn’t hold. Sometimes you play the stats and the stats said JV shouldn’t have gotten the call tonight, especially since our strength is an over abundance of starting pitching. Ditto McClouth leading off. Bobby always manages like the regular season because there is always tomorrow. Now there IS NO tomorrow! Of course, it also looks like our offense has decided to dissapear again, so it doesn’t really matter anyway. As I’m typing this, the Braves record their 8th strike out. Oh well. It was a fun September.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:22 pm

Haha! I’m loving this. Braves strike out in order. GO FISH!!!!!

Dallas

September 30th, 2009
8:23 pm

Chipper… lol

wow

MightyQuinn

September 30th, 2009
8:23 pm

Six consecutive K’s, nine overall.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
8:23 pm

9 k’s not one has put the ball in play? wow

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:23 pm

This is great stuff. Go Rockies and Phillies and Fish!!!!!

Ronald Millsaps

September 30th, 2009
8:24 pm

“colton”–You’re contradicting yourself, buddy.

“Iowa…”– I’ve wondered, myself, why Bobby doesn’t analyze and strategize the lineup properly. He generally gets a lineup in spring training and uses it for 90% of the season. I don’t think he looks specifically enough at who should bat where, and I think he uses excessively-sizable case samples or excessively-small ones when making certain evaluations. He doesn’t go with the hot hand enough, and he puts too much emphasis on R-L matchups.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:24 pm

I’m hungry. Chick-Fil-A anyone?

Chipster

September 30th, 2009
8:25 pm

So much for making up for my error with my bat…

Ross

September 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

Chris – there are two rules in baseball – run it out, and get in front of it.

Chipper did not even bother to get in front of the ball. New glove, old attitude.

*9* strikeouts! Nine!!

Navigator

September 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

After the stupid move by Cox last night to bring in a demoted pitcher in a must win situation, and why didn’t he go to a four man pitching staff in Atlanta, and have a chance last night. Anyway, next year more Cox boners. I hope I live to see the Braves play for manager other than “We won a World Series, didn’t We?” Cox.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

Atlanta Braves. We didn’t invent the out. Just the strikeout.

iowabrave

September 30th, 2009
8:26 pm

This is macabreish (if that is a word). How do you strike out 9 out of 12 times in such a big game vs such a average hurler?

Tyler

September 30th, 2009
8:27 pm

This certainly does remind me of the playoffs for the Braves in the past. Whenever this team finds itself in big, meaningful games, they go completely dormant (and now utterly embarrassing) on the offensive end.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 30th, 2009
8:28 pm

No way would I trade Vasquez but then again, nobody in baseball ever asks my advice anyway.

Dawgfan

September 30th, 2009
8:28 pm

Braves played loose during the recent 15/18 now that they are in must win situation they are pressing. Marlins are the ones playing loose. Come on Bravos still time loosen up.

My Braves

September 30th, 2009
8:28 pm

Don’t give up so easily! This is baseball. Anything can happen.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:29 pm

I hope I can order my Phillies division shirt tonight so I can wear it in time for the weekend.

MightyQuinn

September 30th, 2009
8:29 pm

I have hated the Marlins since the ‘97 NLCS. Hated!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:30 pm

Who’s ready for the Honky Tonk concert in November?

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 30th, 2009
8:30 pm

This is macabreish (if that is a word).

If it isn’t a word, it should be.

JEFF

September 30th, 2009
8:30 pm

GAME OVER… SEASON DONE..

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:30 pm

Haha! 5-0. GO FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

Gload is the man!

MightyQuinn

September 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

Ross

September 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

It’s not a matter of giving up. It’s like fighting a battle with Pauly Shore leading the charge. You just can’t imagine what a cancer Jones is – he’s the utter wreckage of all baseball effort.

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

Haha. Why is it so quiet at Turner Field?

Dallas

September 30th, 2009
8:31 pm

definitely, definitely gone… Joe “Rainman” Simpson

Bobby Colton

September 30th, 2009
8:32 pm

Phillies tie it up. Heck yes!

PJ

September 30th, 2009
8:32 pm

Counting down the days until opening day……………2011.