Woodson running his new offense: Pick-and-whine

CDOG-if Woodson was White, it’s very likely he would have been fired by now, and I say that as a Black man. This might come as a shock to someone who’s mentality is still based on BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE MAN, but White HC’s get fired and denied contract extensions too.

Has anyone heard any of the Hawk players offer their public support for Woodson and his public campaign for a contract extension? Also, what does it say about a HC that thinks he deserves a contract extension before his star player? Wouldn’t you want the team to get the teams best player signed before campaigning for your own extension?

In Woodson’s quest for a contract extension, it appears he’s using some of the same flawed strategy and logic he uses during the season.

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Ken Strickland

September 1st, 2009
7:50 pm

QUIT WHINNING!

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TRUTHSERUM-normally I treat clowns like you the same way I treat dog shi!, I don’t step in it, I step over it. But you have become rather amusing in your increasingly repetitive derogatory and rather childish attempts to gain some measure of recognition by getting my attention. You’re too stupid to even realize how you’ve demonstrated to everyone just how delusional your thought process is.

You make negative comments about my character as if you know me personally, and you’re actually stupid enough to think people believe you. You refer to me as being negative, but you’re so clueless you can’t even recognize you’ve made me your personal obsession and the comments you direct toward me are all negative personal attacks.

Your approach is based on the old saying, “IF YOU CAN’T DISCREDIT THE MESSAGE, DISCREDIT THE MESSENGER”. You go out of you way to attack anyone you disagree with and openly embrace anyone you feel might share your limited concepts. And when your limited mentality has run its limited course, you resort to race as your last line of defense, which is the refuge of an attention starved, insecure coward with serious selfesteem issues.

I have some news for you and clowns like you. THIS COUNTRY HAS JUST ELECTED A BLACK PRESIDENT, SO THE REFUSAL TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT OF A MARGINAL BLACK HC IS HARDLY A RACIAL ISSUE, IDIOT.

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[...] permalink They’re chasing gold baby. Wish them luck. ———— Woodson running his new offense: Pick-and-whine Most coaches would embrace a strong off-season like the one the Hawks have had and try to use it to build some momentum and excitement for the upcoming season. But Mike Woodson is not like most coaches. He prefers to whine. Woodson is entering the final year of his contract. He apparently wants to make sure everybody knows that. I guess the hope is, I dunno, somebody starts a Save-The-Woody write-in campaign. The combustible one spoke about his situation again this weekend to Yahoo Sports. Most of the comments echoed those he told our premier hoops writer, Sekou Smith, three months ago. But Woodson turned up the rhetoric, saying: “Am I a little disappointed that none of my staff and I were extended contracts this year? You’re damn right I am because we deserve it. … Any other coach probably would’ve been extended, without a doubt. … For us not to be extended is not right.” You know what’s not right? A coach who goes 106-222 in his first four seasons and doesn’t get fired, only to then ask for a new contract after his first — first — winning season before the existing contract has expired. The Hawks won a playoff series last year. Woodson wants to cash in. But the Hawks aren’t exactly in contract extension mode right now. General manager Rick Sund didn’t even give an extension to point guard Mike Bibby before last season. Why would he do that for Woodson, who doesn’t nearly have Bibby’s career resume? (Bibby got his extension after the season). Sund could’ve fired Woodson when he was hired as GM last year. He didn’t. He gave him a two-year contract. He basically told the coach: “I think you deserve a chance to come back but I’m not committing to you long term. Let’s re-evaluate in 2010.” It’s 2009. If Woodson really felt as secure as he claims he is, he would coach the team Sund improved this off-season, take the Hawks to the next level and then use that as leverage in negotiations. Then again, maybe he’s just not as confident as he says he is. Link [...]

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LIKE WOODSON OR NOT. HE IS A GOOD HEAD COACH. I JUDGE A COACH BY HIS TEAM. PAT RILEY.PHIL JACKSON AND THE AUERBACHS HAD TALENTED TEAMS AND PLAYERS. WITH A ROSTER THAT WOODSON INHERITED, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE FARED ANY BETTER. WOODSON HAS TAKEN A BUNCH OF NOBODIES AND MADE WINNERS OUT OF THEM REGARDLESS HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. ANY BODY CAN WIN WITH A TEAM OF SUPERSTARS BUT WHAT ABOUT A TEAM WHERE YOU HAVE TO DEVELOPE THEM. REGARDLESS OF YOUR RACIAL HATE FOR WOODSON, HIS PERFORMANCE HAS SPOKEN FAVORABLE OF HIM.DESPITE AN INCOMPETENT GM, WOODSON AND THE HAWKS WILL BE EVEN BETTER THIS SEASON.LIKE ONE BLOGGER SAID, IF YOU DON’T LIKE WOODSON, DON’T FOLLOW THE HAWKS THIS SEASON. FIND YOU ANOTHER TEAM TO FOLLOW SUCH AS THE UTAH JAZZ. THEY HAVE A PREDOMINANT WHITE TEAM AND COACH.

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Ken Strickland,

No need to even amuse that individual by acknowledging their existence you do more damage by doing what you have been doing all along…ignore them!

We will continue to have healthy hoop conversations about our favorite team until we see a championship. I like the blogs even when we don’t express the same opionions we do it with intelligence and class. That’s the American way. I look forward to your next blog homie!

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Hey Ken,

Ive been reading your blogs for a while too. It seems to me that while this truth-serum guy is pretty hard on you, it seems his questions are valid. Example. You fling a lot of venom at Woodson with your analysis but when Mr truth-serum questions you about you experience or coaching background you dont seem to have an answer which make it seem that you dont have any more knowledge or experience than the next guy and that would by default make you attack on Woodson personal. I understand that he and Mr Schultz dont get along and Woodson wont grant him an interview, but you seem relentless in your attack and tirade against Woodson. Now that the sixth youngest team in the NBA is beginning to mature can we at least have a couple of losing seasons before you engulf this site with so much hate and anti Woodson posting. Id like to just be able to come to a site and have positive feed and support towards the Hawks. This is my team and atlanta’s team and like it or not Woodson is the coach. You do turn me off (and im sure lots of fans who would like to get in the excitement of the hawks) with your non stop sprewing of hatred. Please let those of us who like the hawks and think woody is a fine coach enjoy this site. Cant you just write Woodson a letter and tell him you hate him and leave the rest of us alone? Can you and your racist friends take your stuff else where….Please?
We just want to root for and support the Hawks. My friends would like to share this blog sight but get turned off by your hatred. OK you hate woodson. Everyone knows it. Can we change the subject so that the true fans can build excitement about the up coming season.

We all have an opinion of how to coach a team, and we all have our favorites players and coaches. Youve made clear your opinion. Thank you for sharing. Most of us have an different opinion than yours. You have no more knowledge and or experience than the rest of us. Please sit down and be quiet.

Thank you.

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Ken,

My question to you is, why does he have to be a fool to pursue job security.

Let me ask you how well you could perform if you went to work daily not knowing if you will have a job next year.

I am a now auto worker and I know the stress of several years of not knowing if the plant would close or if there would be major layoffs.

School teachers across the U.S. have to deal with either short term contracts and in many cases, no contract.

I lastly ask you, What makes you the expert on Labor Relations. Is your job guaranteed ?

Do you have a family ? Quit being so judgemental. Everyone can tell the other person how to live ! Is your life perfect ?

Same question I asked Jeff Schultz, When was the last time your wife said you were the best.

I beleive I could change her opinion !

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Ken Strickland

September 2nd, 2009
6:01 pm

Ken who do you coach for? Who have you coached for? What is your record?background?qualifying experience? Are you a scout for the Hawks? the Celtics? Lakers? Pistons? any pro team? college team? High school? Park and rec?

Then do us a favor…. Shut up!

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J.C.

September 2nd, 2009
7:31 pm

Ken is so over whelmed by hatred that you cant expect him to be rational. Its very human to tried to do better and get security in business for your wife and children and for your own sake. There is a saying ” why should my good be evil spoken of” I really dont think kenny can do any better.

WEIGH IT !

September 2nd, 2009
7:18 pm

In a perfect world! Wouldnt that be nice!

Just-checking-in

September 2nd, 2009
7:41 pm

Amen!

BC

September 2nd, 2009
11:36 am

Your thinking is B.C.

Ken Strickland

September 2nd, 2009
9:39 am

You reap what you sow. The same thing you say that I attack you unfoundedly is exactly what you do to woodson. Deal with the man in the mirror. Heheehhe Billy Jean!

Im sorry you regret that we now have a black president. You cant change that. The majority of the people dont think like you do.

The only message you carry is one of hate. Messenger? You are a joke man. Discredit you? You have no credit idiot! Dont you get it? You are just a blog site Jocky armed only with an opinion and fueled by hate. You have no professional experience. You have no amatuer experience. You are just a blog site jockey living a lie and being jealous of the real thing who is a pro coach and has amatuer and college and professional experience and is now the leader of a fine atlanta hawks team. Im talking about the number 9 coach in the Coach of the year polls. Im talking about MIKE WOODSON. SO LIKE JUSTCHECKINGIN SAID. SHUT UP!

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I COULDNT AGREE MORE GUYS!

onemoretime

September 2nd, 2009
7:34 pm
WEIGH IT !

September 2nd, 2009
7:18 pm

I agree with you. I wish there was a hate Woody blog site so the rest of us pro hawks fans could connect on this ajc site. Ive never seen a person so obsessed with hatred for a person. I would definitely put a restraining order on this Ken Guy. He should be investigated. Ill bet hes a part of some right wing radical organization.

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“why should my good be evil spoken of”

Okay, what was that? One of Master Yoda’s sayings ?

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Ken Strickland,

Come now, don’t encourage him. If you talk to all of the personalities, they will keep coming back. Come one, man. I know you see it. Five names. One keyboard. Too obvious.

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gasportsfan, do you think you would have a great record if you unherited a bunch of misfits from the start of your 4 years? definitely not. look what he has done the last two years.plus how many teams such as washington, the golden states and others who did not the playoffs?you judge him on what he has done lately not because he is a black coach and most hate him because of this. look at the vicious attacks on vick and dj shockley. all because they were black. the first two rebuilding years is the reason his record is the way it is.of course you wouldn’t know nothing about that being you are looking at skin color of woodson.if this was pat riley most will be dancing in the street calling for him a contract extension.

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Jeff, you’ve ripped on Woody every chance you’ve had. You’ve never recognized what Woody has accomplished with, in the early years, virtually no talent with any experience. You’ve constantly refuse to acknowledge that Woody has grown the good talent into effective individual players who contribute within their roles effectively to (now) produce a winning team despite holes that have continued to populate the roster. The notion that anybody – Red Auerbach included – could have done any better than 106-222 with the rosters Woody’s had to deal with over the years is silly. So my sense is that (a) you don’t know much about basketball, and (b) you don’t like Woody because he doesn’t toe your line about a coach being a “great guy” to interview, whatever your criteria for that might be.

Woody’s finally got a roster with size and depth in the front court, talent and depth at the point and a plausible backup for Joe. The only question that I have is how well Marvin is going to handle the 3. Otherwise I’m convinced Woody will be able to manage games very, very effectively with this roster. So I’m going to bet that when the season’s over Woody’s record and reputation among players and other coaches will cause general managers around the league to wonder why the Hawks didn’t wrap him and his staff up this summer when they had the chance to . . . .

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What’s happening Truth-Serum and I hope you had a great summer (smile)!!! By the way, I thought this was a good article about the Hawks for those with short memories. Thanks God you are in Atlanta to keep an eye on things and fire back at folks…

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/08/16/

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Hey, it’s me. Same as “welikebaseball.” Somehow, forgot the 2. Not using multiple screen names like some of you guys. LOL. Anyway, I find it amusing that a journalist isn’t allowed to write an article critiquing an athlete or coach regarding their ability/inability to do their jobs. Sorry, but I just don’t see the “pettiness” or “personal attack” in Jeff’s critique. So what, is every journalist supposed to support every coach? Now, don’t get me started on Jeff’s personal attacks on Vick, but here he’s guilty of nothing more than performing his job by analyzing Woodson’s job performance.

Oh yeah, FYI: Players “working in the community” have nothing to do with the coach & everything to do with the Community Affairs Department. Darnit, guess that just leaves Woodson’s X’s & O’s for the critique. Not looking good for the coach with one winning season.

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Truth-serum,

If Jesus said turn the other cheek, then what do you call yourself doing?

I could have sworn that a certain verse reads “Vengeance is mine, saith The Lord.”

It doesn’t say “Vengeance is mine, saith the Truth Serum.” So you can’t claim retaliation, now can you? I mean, since you believe in the Bible.

By the way, this is what you quoted to us:

“why should my good be evil spoken of”

That was your exact typing. Strange, because my Bible says “Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil.” No wonder I didn’t recognize it. Perhaps you should read your bible while you type, instead of modifying the verse to your own version of “english.”

Some corrections and tranlations are in order here:

I Corinthians 10:30 refers to giving thanks for food, regardless of who set it before you (believer or non-believer), except in cases that cause or initiate a stumbling block. You must read verses 23 through 33 to understand the full context of the passage. It has nothing to do with the subject matter we were previously discussing. The gist of the passage is seeking the well-being and edification of others, something you don’t seem to have a very good grasp on, unless of course they agree with your point of view.

As to I Peter 4:14, what is your point, exactly? You have neither invoked the name of Christ, nor are you reproached or villified in His name. Again, read the full passage that you might understand the context, lest ye make a fool of yourself for no reason, and only be a stumbling block to others.

2 Peter 2:2 is a verse you need to read again. Once more, picking a verse out of the air and using it for your own purposes is folly. READ THE ENTIRE PASSAGE. You are not describing anyone here with that passage.

Understand something. I do not say these things to appear arrogant or condescending. But you come on basketball blogs with religion, but you do not even know what you speak of. You insult people in various ways, calling them names, posting with their names and making references to sexual orientation, and then accuse them of being racists, or members of racist groups. On top of all of that, you want to spew forth Bible verses. That is hypocrisy of the highest level I can think of. I would suggest you keep it to basketball and name calling. You’re the modern day version of a Pharisee or Saducee, only worse. Leave the Bible out of it. You give any sort of religious individuals a bad name.

…. rant off

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BIG RAY-BRAVO MY BROTHER, BRAVO!! I wanted to address this clowns misuse of the bible as well, but I decided to take your advice and cease and desist. Idiots like him often operate on the premise of assumptions. Therefore, they assume everyone else is as stupid, ignorant and uninformed as they are. So, they feel confident that they can get away with saying almost anything about anyone.

The approach he’s using reminds of the term ARRESTED ADOLESCENT DEVELOPMENT. Only a truely underdeveloped mentality could find so much joy while indulging in such a childish endeavor over such an extended period of time.

GEEMACK-that’s a very good question, and it will be pivotal in determining whether Woodson gets his extension. With the addition of JSmith and JCollins, our frontline has definitely gotten taller, bigger, deeper, more versatile and experienced. With the addition of JTeague and JCrawford, our backcourt has definitely gotten quicker, deeper, faster, more versatile and talented. They also increase our one on one, penetrating and outside shooting ability.

Only the Spurs have someone(MGinobili)that can match JCrawford’s production and versatility. On paper, all of these teams would be hard pressed to match JTeague’s talent off the bench. JSmith, Zaza, RMorris and JCollins can match the experience, versatility, size and talent of most of the bigs on these teams’ bench. So far, every player on our bench, except RMorris, can effectively start if necessary. There’s no doubt we are now in the top 3. I know someone is entertaining the question, HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT TEAGUE. Well, that was the same question teams asked about CP3 and DWilliams, which is why teams other than the Hawks passed on them, and look at how that’s turned out.

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Hey schultz did Woodson grant you an interview yet? Well, why dont you and your blog site pit bulls ken and Ray ask him if hed attend one of your Go Hawks and Go Woody fan club events?

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Sope Creek

September 3rd, 2009
7:05 am

Jeff does realize. The hate in his heart wont let him honor woodson for the outstanding job hes doing. He realizes. Woodson refuses to grant him an interview until he changes his ways but we are all waiting for hell to freeze over. It just aint happening.

Im glad you noted it and there are a lot of true Bird fans here. Jeff and his pit bulls will continue to attack Woodson.

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Ken, Ray, Help me get my job back.

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Ken Strickland,

Thanks. Normally, I don’t like to get into religious topics with people, but that misuse was just too much. I can deal with the name-calling and statements that show a lack of cognitive development or capability. I deal with that every day on the job. What gets me is how you or anyone else can be a racist because we aren’t in love with Woody….when we’ve openly campaigned for guys like Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, etc. Correct me if I’m wrong…but aren’t those guys black as well? And I don’t know about you, but I’ve had this dark skin since 1977, when I was born with it.

One of this country’s founding fathers said something that applies here: “A fanatic is a person who won’t change his mind, and won’t change the subject.”

I think we’ve both established that while we don’t like everything about Woody, we would still rather see him succeed with this team, than fail with this team. The failure of one is a failure for all. And we’ve also both stated that Woody more than deserves an extension if he can continue to experience success this season, particularly if this team narrows the gap between us and the Big Three. Only a person both blind and consumed with hatred would miss all the things we’ve discussed on that subject.

And I think you’re right: a true multiple personality doesn’t have any idea about their other personalities.

That would explain the post by “Just checking in”, now wouldn’t it? Strange how they both post exactly the same way, context, form, and everything.

I’ll bet if you looked at the IP addresses of both posters, the number would be the same.

As for Snowman, well…everybody needs friends. Even crazy people.

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Hey Ken, and big ray, Ive listen to you guy and truth serum. Like just checking in, I feel that you guys have been very cruel and unfounded in your attack on Mr Woodson and Mr Serum. Sorry guys I would also like to just enjoy the Hawks and move on from the consistant attacks on Woodson. Does me having a opinion similar to Truth-Serums also mean that Im truth-Serum? Are all these guys that disagree and are tired you your attitudes truth serum? I see how you deal with your problems. Get real.Im sorry if you disagree. But you guy have been spewing this garbage for over a year now. Its old and it stinks. Lets move on.

Shout at cha onemoretime
thumbs up truth-serum. Keep your head up!

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