News and Views: Favre fallacy, Vick back in jail (not that one)

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Welcome back to News and Views, the blog creation of convenience when there’s really no subject at 11 a.m. on a Friday that’s worth more than a couple of paragraphs. Wait. That didn’t come out quite the way I intended. . .

News: Several NFL experts pound Brett Favre for his Hamlet act but claim all that really matters is this signing makes the Minnesota Vikings a better team.

Initial reaction: Huh?

Views: Look, I’m well aware of Favre’s resume: He has won one more Super Bowl and three more MVP awards and been to 10 more Pro Bowls than Tarvaris Jackson. But why is everybody so certain this makes the Vikings better? They did go 10-6 and make the playoffs last season without Favre. Logic dictates that Jackson would only get better this season. If Minnesota is doing this largely to take the next step, why roll the dice on a beat-up quarterback who: 1) is going to turn 40 in October; 2) had his right arm dangling like linguine for the last five weeks of the season; 3) is coming off surgery for a torn biceps; 4) still has a tear in his rotator cuff? Finally, there is the chemistry factor. Favre hasn’t gone through off-season workouts, OTAs or most of training camp with the Vikings.

The Lesser Vick

That kind of thing generally doesn’t play well in the locker room, particularly for a quarterback, the perceived leader. I understand the potential upside with Favre. But everybody is ignoring the obvious downside.

News: M. Vick goes back to jail.

Quick follow-up: Marcus, not Michael.

Views: People forget because his more famous/infamous brother has dominated news cycles. But there was a time when Marcus Vick – yet another fine Virginia Tech product – showed nearly as much potential on the football field as Michael. The difference? He threw it away before he ever really got started. I’ll let Wikipedia give you the background. But here’s something new: Marcus Vick was sentenced to 20 days in jail Thursday for violating his probation stemming from a DUI and eluding police last October. He received a 12-month suspended sentence on the condition that he pays fines, goes to rehab and stays drug and alcohol free. What did he do? He never paid the fines, never completed an alcohol program, missed appointments with counselors and tested positive for marijuana. I have a question: Can Tony Dungy be talked into family plans or does he just do individuals?

Second choice?

(Old) News: Philadelphia trades for Cleveland pitcher Cliff Lee after countless attempts to acquire Roy Halladay from Toronto fall through.

Views: Wow. Count the non-Halladay deal among the best moves never made. Lee has four starts with the Phillies. He’s 4-0 with a 0.82 ERA (three earned runs in 33 innings) with 34 strikeouts and six walks. Halladay? Relatively speaking, he has tanked. He’s 2-3 with a 3.41 ERA in his last five starts. He was 11-3 with a 2.62 ERA prior to the Lee deal. Dime store psychology conclusion: Despite his claims to the contrary, Halladay wanted out of Toronto before the trade deadline.

56 comments Add your comment

Falcons Minority Owner

August 21st, 2009
10:55 am

Since you love to mention Vick so much, might wanna mention that at the Champ’s in Lenox, guess whose jersey is featured prominently at the front of the store? LOL – gots to give the people what they want!

Larvell "SugarBear" Blanks

August 21st, 2009
10:59 am

Jeff I am really starting to look forward to your blogs/columns/ramblings every day. Should I be concerned for my mental health?

YUP!!

August 21st, 2009
11:08 am

WHO CARES ABOUT THE HOPELESS VICK FAMILY!!!

Terrible Truth

August 21st, 2009
11:09 am

I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere but Brett Favre will be playing eleven games indoors and everyone knows how lousy he plays with a roof over his head!

YUP!!

August 21st, 2009
11:17 am

Terrible Truth…….100% correct. I see Favre hurting the Vikes more than helping them. I thought the Vikes were gonna be a strong team to beat this year but grandpa Favre will mess that up.

Dumb move Vikes…..heck Vick would have gave ya’ll a better chance.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
11:24 am

Falcons minority owner: Seriously? I haven’t been to Lenox recently, and there’s no Champs up where I live. You probably heard the story about Dick’s not carrying his jersey for now. Actually, I think that’s wrong. But they’re a business, their decision.

Larvell — Yes, absolutely.

Terrible Truth — yeah, 8 at home plus Detroit, St. Louis, Arizona. No cold weather but a lot of hard turf.

Jon Hughes

August 21st, 2009
11:25 am

Didnt Gus Ferotte play most of the games for Minnesota? I know they started out terrible when Jackson was starting.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
11:28 am

YUP!! You might know, Vick-to-Vikings was a hot rumor for a while.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
11:36 am

Jon — Frerotte started 11 games (Week 3-13). Jackson started 5 games (1-2 and 14-15-16) and the playoffs.

Pago Flyer

August 21st, 2009
11:37 am

Word on the street…..no more stray dogs around the Eagles complex!

Reality

August 21st, 2009
11:39 am

The Vicks/Brodies did one great job raising their kids. What pathetic excuses for parents they are. It’s hard to fully blame the Michael and Marcus for their stupid decisions and behavior when they have completely irresponsible and moronic parents that provided no guidance what so ever.

Douglas

August 21st, 2009
11:40 am

Give the people what they want… All of the “top sellers” jerseys on nflshop.com are either Vick or Favre. People can complain about the coverage all they want, but those two are obviously still popular.

Antonio Gramsci

August 21st, 2009
11:42 am

I have been yelling at my radio (it doesn’t seem to care) that nobody seems to notice that FARVE is washed up, done, toast, finished. Oh, and one other question: How many Super Bowls did he win without Reggie White?

PMC

August 21st, 2009
11:48 am

Halladay is just tanking it. He’s pissed off at them for not trading him. Why play hard anyway or try, they aren’t going anywhere and he’ll get paid at some point over the next year.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
12:00 pm

Antonio — great point on Reggie White.

mn possum

August 21st, 2009
12:01 pm

According to reports up here, the owner and the upper management of the Vikings believe that the window for a Super Bowl with the current team is no more than two years (and probably one year.) Favre will hand off the ball, manage the game, and throw a pass or two. With the attenuation of his skills, he is probably less physically able than both Jackson and Rosenfels. The Vikings management believes that the mental upside (better judgment and greater experience) outweighs the physical downside.

T

August 21st, 2009
12:02 pm

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mn possum

August 21st, 2009
12:03 pm

BTW: Jeff, you are correct about the Vick to the Vikings rumors. The story reached levels of obsession in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and the out state of MN.

dgroy

August 21st, 2009
12:12 pm

You know Jeff, it you’d just quit writing about Vick and Favre, they would go away……that’s really what we few actual readers of the AJC want

mangum

August 21st, 2009
12:17 pm

Man, Vick’s mother did a HORRIBLE job in raising those boys.

Notty Dred

August 21st, 2009
12:26 pm

If all Minnesota need was a QB who can hand it off and throw the deep ball then who better to do that than Vick. Plus he can run and be a weapon! Glad to see Vick with my Eagles. Shultz, u brought up a real and interesting question: Do Tony Dungy do family plans when mentoring or do he just help football players? Danm the Vick family is cursed.

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Aunt Esther

August 21st, 2009
12:37 pm

Jeff–what are your feelings about the proposed “Saved By The Bell” reunion?

Beautiful Monte

August 21st, 2009
12:41 pm

A few points:

First of all, as someone who follows the NFL, I can say that the Vikings won 10 games last season in SPITE of their QBs, not because of them. They had a great running game with Peterson and Taylor, and a better-than-average defense, especially against the run.

T-Joke is a less athletic, more humane version of Michael Vick. It’s become quite obvious that T-Joke is either unwilling or unable to master an NFL playbook, which is a big reason the Vikings were so conservative on offense for most of last season. Opposing defenses dared Minneosta’s QBs to beat them last season, and neither Frerotte nor T-Joke could do it on a consistent basis when the game was on the line.

While it’s obvious that Favre is past his prime, with their running game and defense, the Vikings don’t need an elite QB. They just need someone who can change a play at the line of scrimmage and complete an occasional pass down the field. If they get average play from Favre, and Percy Harvin has an impact, the Vikings will have the weapons to beat the 8-man fronts they faced last season.

Keep in mind, Favre has NEVER played with a back of Peterson’s caliber. Peterson’s presence means that Favre shouldn’t have to throw the ball 40 times a game, and it also opens things up for Minnesota’s receivers, who, as a group, are still pretty mediocre by NFL standards.

Second point: I’m a little disgusted by all of the revisionist history that’s being written about Favre. As I stated, his play has slipped, but to hear to some of you folks tell it, he was NEVER any good. Keep in mind, while he did play poorly (with an injured arm) during the second half of the 2008 season, he had an MVP-caliber season in 2007.

Regardless of what happens this season, to judge Favre strictly by what happens at the tail end of his career is foolish and unfair. I mean, the man HAS won three MVP Awards, a feat matched only by Peyton Manning.

One final point: Antonio Gramsci asks how many Super Bowls Favre won without Reggie White. I’d like to remind Tony that Favre was the league MVP when the Packers won it all in 1996. It’s not like he rode on White’s coat tails. (BTW, Tony, how many Super Bowls did White win without Favre?)

East Cobb Hokie

August 21st, 2009
12:50 pm

Michael deserves the 2nd chance he is getting. Marcus does not deserve anything.

What's Important

August 21st, 2009
1:02 pm

Jeff, no comment on Favre and Marcus, but did enjoy your stint on 790 The Zone on the drive home yesterday.

Flying Fan

August 21st, 2009
1:07 pm

“Philadelphia Eagles Waiting List”

How large is the Waiting List?
A. The Philadelphia Eagles Waiting List has more than 40,000 accounts.

How many people move off the Waiting List each year?
A. Each year, the number of people offered General Season tickets from the Waiting List varies and depends on the renewal rate (99.7% on average) for season tickets.

Antonio Gramsci

August 21st, 2009
1:14 pm

How many interceptions, forced balls, and dumb decisions has FARVE made in his career? I don’t need to know how many MVP awards (which is a subjective measurement) a player has won to have a negative opinion of a player. Not meaning to be argumentative but FARVE is the product of media hype. If he were as great a player as he has been made out to be, he would have won more than one championship. Championships are the measure of a quarterback. As of today, FARVE has as many titles as Trent Dilfer. I offer that he is a selfish player who has made a career out of pretending to be a good ol’ boy when in fact he’s a (anatomical reference deleted).

Doyle Hargraves

August 21st, 2009
1:22 pm

Mister Possum, it is my opinion that Brett Farve and the phrases “mental upside” and “better judgment” should not be used in the same sentence.

I’m hurtin’ Linda. Better call a hearst.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 21st, 2009
1:27 pm

I was getting pretty much sick of Favre and then I read that Fran Tarkenton was ragging on him. If Fran don’t like him, maybe he’s not so bad after all.

DownGoesFrazier

August 21st, 2009
1:28 pm

Say, isn’t there some preseason football tonight?

Vick=Thug

August 21st, 2009
1:47 pm

Maybe the two brothers deserve to share a cell together for the next 10 years?

Mike Vick does not deserve to be in the NFL. He deserves another chance to become a citizen sure….

Everyone makes mistakes and forgiveness is divine… But how can you forgive deliberate torture of innocent animals for your own pleasure? How can you forgive someone that isn’t even man enough to confess up when he gets caught?

I’d like to see Mike go back to VA Tech, get his degree, marry the mother of his illegitimate children and actually get a job that isn’t in the public eye where he doesn’t poison the view of so many children that look up to him. I’d like to see that… but I won’t hold my breath…

SimpleDawg

August 21st, 2009
1:50 pm

Who has 2 bigger boobs than Dolly Parton ?

Mamma Vick !

KentWatson

August 21st, 2009
1:55 pm

Mike Vick deserves to be in the NFL. He has paid his debt to society and he is now ready to restore his position in the NFL, in the community and with his friends and family. Most negative BLOGS regarding Vick are motivated by hatred and jealously. They know they will never make the money Vick is making and they are so hateful that they dont want Vick to earn his money honestly, using a skill that Vick has honed since childhood. If Vick were a garbage truck driver making minimum wage, that would satisfy most people and they would stop the hate mail regarding Vick. Its just that they hated to see Vick making millions before he got into trouble, Vick then squandered all the money, and now most vick-haters dont want Vick to make any more money. They want him to die penniless. Leave Vick alone and let him make his millions. He deserves it, hes earned it, so forget about Vick and concerntrate on Farve, Petino and all the others.

Lenny in Ludowici

August 21st, 2009
2:12 pm

One thing comes to mind with the Vikes signing of Favre. When he goes to the Hall of Fame, and he will, which team will he represent? The Packers have to be royally pizzed at him for the way he kept waffling before they finally told him to man up and make a decision about retirement and for signing with a division rival.

I personally think we are being robbed for another year. The thought of Favre and Terry Bradshaw on an NFL pre-game show would be hilarious.

R Cagle

August 21st, 2009
2:36 pm

If nothing else, Farve gives the the Vikings a quarterback who doesn’t have a made up first name like those Japanese and Korean cars.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
2:51 pm

MN Possum – I understand that logic. But they run the risk of it blowing up in their face.

DGroy – Trust me, my man. If the page view totals said “0” that’s how many blogs about Vick and Favre you would read.

Aunt Esther – Thumbs down. However, all for the Patridge Family reunion. Want to see how Susan Dey turned out.

What’s important – Thanks, I had a blast with Mike.

Antonio – You are quite an astute young man. At the very least, he used to fake it well (and had me convinced in the old days). But I know several people have told me he was always selfish.

Simple Dawg: Funny. (Tip your waitress.)

Lenny: Gotta be a Packer, I’m sure.

Bob Horner

August 21st, 2009
4:06 pm

Is it possible for Michael to stay away from Marcus?

KentWatson

August 21st, 2009
4:38 pm

Lenny: You brought up a good point. When Farve goes into the HOF in Canton, Ohio, how will he go in? Will he go in as a Viking or Packer? I think Farve should go in as a Viking, particularly if Farve wins the superbowl this year. Either way, Farve should go in as a Viking to stick it to the Packers for how bad they treated him last year.

Crowler

August 21st, 2009
4:51 pm

Farve is a selfish, egomoniacle, arrogant, lying, over-the-hill future hall of famer who should go to management, give back his signing bonus and retire with dignity.

Jeff Schultz

August 21st, 2009
5:01 pm

Crowler: I think everything you said at the beginning eliminates the possibility of “retire with dignity.” But it’d be worth a shot!

BigMike

August 22nd, 2009
12:00 am

Magnum you dweed !! Man you got two young men who made it to college, and one has been a superstar in the NFL. You can’t blame mom when young boys turn into grown men and become stupid. Next time think dude before blogging !!

JewellNelson

August 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm

I am glad that Brett Farve has come out of retirement to play football with the Vikings. I’m also glad that Mike Vick is out of prison in time to play football for the Eagles. The Vick and Farve stories both inject life into the NFL. The NFL has always been popular, but when Vick went down for dogfighting it kind of cast a shadow over the league. In addition, with many players either getting into trouble, altercations or otherwise: Marvin Harrison; Plexico Burriss; Ben Rothisberger; Mike Vick; Pacman Jones; Tank Johnson; along with the death of Steve McNair; the league had reached a phase where it might have experienced a down cycle. However, with the return of THREE TIME MVP – BRETT FARVE, and the only 1000 yard rushing qb in NFL history, Mike Vick; the addition of two of the leagues most exciting and electrifying players has breathed new life into a dying league. I cant wait for the season to start because I know it will be a thrilling season. Stay tuned.

reggie white | What's going on!!

August 22nd, 2009
10:51 pm

Suck it Nerd

August 24th, 2009
1:52 pm

KentWatson – Not sure about you but if I went to jail I don’t think my employer or any other of a similar level would welcome me back with open arms. What angers people is that Vick (and many others) are allowed to resume life as if nothing really happened. It doesn’t work that way in the real world.

Just sayin’.

JewellNelson

August 24th, 2009
4:05 pm

Prior to Vick going to jail, he had signed a $200million contract with the falcons as their starting quarterback and had a slew of endorsment deals and property holdings. After Vick returned from jail, Vick had LOST ALL OF HIS ENDORSEMENT DEALS, filed bankruptcy and was the equivalent of a homeless bum. I DONT SEE HOW YOU COULD SAY VICK CAME OUT AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED. I am extremely happy that Vick got a job because 99.9% of the OWNERS blackballed vick and were in collusion against him AND TRIED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF VICK. Thanks goodness for the city of brotherly love or Vick would have had to prematurely retire from playing football in the nfl; similar to the way Farve has had continued retirments for the last few years.

BobPorter

August 24th, 2009
4:33 pm

Jewell: you are right on the money. You couldnt have said it any better. But to be more precise, Vick went from being the richest NFL player in the history of the league to the poorest of the poorest homeless bums out on the streets. THE ECONOMIC PENDULUM SWUNG ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP TO THE DEPTHS OF THE BOTTOM. Vick lost all of his endorsments, bar none. Vick ruined his reputation in terms of getting future endorsments. Vick tarnished his reputation in the league, not just with the Falcons but among nearly all of the nfl teams. And if that was not enough, Roger Goddell brings down the sledgehammer hard on Vick and gives him a six game suspension just to make an example out of him. Its absurd but people with power abuse it and in this case the commissioner abused his power. Vick had already paid his debt to society; the PETA people and everyone else and then comes the piling on by the commissioner. Well, hopefully Vick will have learned his lessons and will cease his dogfighting operations for good.

Suck it Nerd

August 24th, 2009
5:29 pm

A homeless bum who was allowed to keep properties in VA and several automobiles. Not too bad. I did say “resume life”. I didn’t say he didn’t suffer consequences. I happen to agree with the idea that Vick has paid his debt for his crimes. I also happen to think he shouldn’t be suspended. After all, wasn’t he suspended for two years while he was in jail??

My point was that in every day life these kinds of opportunities don’t exisit. If you go to jail it is difficult, if not impossible, to find a job that is the equivilant of what you had before you went to jail.

You’re next argument will be that he is making less etc, etc. That’s true but he’s still getting a better opportunity than most convicted felons (unless they too are professional athletes).

Decatur 4 Life

August 25th, 2009
12:57 pm

What do you mean Vick’s mom did a horrible job in raising children? That a low blow, her children are grown men making dumb decisions. I might blame it on the absence of a positive male role model, regardless they grown men. BLAME THEM, NOT MOM

Decatur 4 Life

August 25th, 2009
1:07 pm

Suck it Nerd, What about the people who do wrong and never get any jail time, they’re able to continue playing like nothing happened. People talk about what happened to Dante’ Stallworth but Danny Heatly was in similar trouble and never was reprimanded by the NHL. The fact is, professional athletes always get off easy, my problem is why is Vick over-analyzed and people want an example made out of him.