Hawks shouldn’t rush to re-sign Joe

Are you ready to give another five seasons to this man?

Are you ready to give another five seasons to this man?

The Hawks are exploring contract talks with guard Joe Johnson, according to my long lost twin Sekou Smith, and theoretically an extension could be worth in excess of $75 million over five years (based on his current salary).

I have a question: Are you comfortable with this?

This isn’t meant to be a bang-on-Joe blog, although I get the feeling we’re headed in that direction in the comments section. Johnson has been an All-Star the last three seasons. He is a consistent 20-to-25 point guy on the court during the regular season and certainly not a problem off of it.

Overall, he’s an asset, not a headache. There. I said it.

But Johnson also has been less than impressive in the playoffs the last two seasons, and it’s worth asking — as we’ve asked before — whether he should be kept as the franchise centerpiece. I understand NBA champions are not one-man teams. But those who make $15 million a year should be a difference-maker when games count the most. Too often Johnson hasn’t been that. His point totals in the last post-season against Miami and Cleveland were 15, 16, 10, 14, 25, 13, 27, 11, 10, 21, 18.

The Hawks probably feel they need to make a decision on Johnson fairly quickly. He will be entering the last year of his contract at $14.9 million. The thinking is: If Johnson plays the season out, he could leave the Hawks as an unrestricted free agent.

My thought is: Let him play it out.

There’s no need to commit now. Let Johnson prove he’s the player he needs to be to earn that kind of money. If he doesn’t prove it next year, no other team is going to blow him away in negotiations any way. If he does prove it, then give him the world. And if he proves it and turns down the world from the Hawks, then obviously he never wanted to be here anyway.

Trade him? Maybe. But I’m not sure what the trade market is right now — after the draft and before training camp. I understand the argument of: You can’t let him leave as a free agent and get nothing in return. But the flip side is tying yourself financially to a player you might be uncertain of.

I credit Hawks general manager Rick Sund for getting all of the team’s players under contract this summer, quickly and efficiently. But this is one where I think he needs to take a step back.

89 comments Add your comment

Dan

August 5th, 2009
10:40 am

1) You could end up losing him to free agency for some weird unforeseen reason.
2) It’s been almost 15 years since the Hawks signed a premier free agent, why suddenly would a LeBron, D-Wade or Chris Bosh come here?
3) Joe has put this franchise on his back for several years now and Woodson has done NOTHING to protect his best player by either guarding his minutes or designing ANY kind of offense to take the pressure off of him. Joe’s shortcomings aren’t entirely his own fault.

Stevengilley15

August 5th, 2009
10:41 am

I couldn’t agree more Mr. Schultz. Despite all the credit he deserves for helping turn this franchise around, he has not been carrying the load and living up to the “star” role he was brought here to be. Also, he never seems to get the criticism he deserves. That is always directed at the other “star” player Josh Smith. Let him get 100% healthy with no excuses and play on a high level. With National TV games coming up, let’s see him shine and show we didn’t go through this hassle for nothing and we have a real good player we must keep for the remainder of his career.

Melvin

August 5th, 2009
10:44 am

Jeff,
If the Hawks consider Johnson a cornerstone (or franchise player or what ever you want to label him) to their team, why should they let him go on the FA market? Good teams do not allow their franchise players the option to be a Free Agent. Get it done, SUND….

Stevengilley15

August 5th, 2009
10:49 am

Melvin, if Joe Johnson played his heart out and refused to let us get swept in the second round and even attempted to battle Dwayne Wade in the first round with JUST ONE huge scoring effort, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation but he didn’t. He was average and mediocre at best and we should let him show himself. Not saying don’t re-sign him but don’t rush to spend money. Especially in this recession.

Stevengilley15

August 5th, 2009
10:51 am

Dan, I understand the Woodson angle. He does overplay Joe but If im not mistaken, Joe wants to take these shots and have this role and like the old adage says, “To whom much is given, much is required.”

J.J.M.

August 5th, 2009
10:53 am

lol I dont think you can be impressive in the playoffs when you are geting doubled all night and no other team mate is helping out to free the double on joe

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
10:54 am

Joe is worth big money in the NBA, so that is kind of irrelevant. Waiting gives one upside which is what do the other super FAs do. Does Lebron, Kobe, D. Wade, Bosch, et. al get extended early? If so then Joe becomes a highly valuable free agent; if not then, then you might get what you are suggesting less of a market for Joe. Particularly in light of the changing cap situation. I think it is too much of gamble to ultimately save 2-3 mil over five years at best.

CCross

August 5th, 2009
10:54 am

The problem the hawks have is do they believe that johnson IS a franchise player, he’s more of a number 2 player than a number 1, 2 players shouldn’t get that kind of money.

Dan

August 5th, 2009
11:00 am

Steve,

Regardless of what Joe wants, it’s Woodson’s job to put his players in the best position to succeed and he’s done an adequate job of that at best.

Jeff Schultz

August 5th, 2009
11:09 am

Dan: On the free agent-coming-here comment, I would just say there’s never been a reason to come here before. Players love living in Atlanta and now I think they want to play here too.

Dan, Steven: Wow. First two comments at opposite ends of the spectrum. I like it.

JJM: So other stars don’t get doubled? In the NFL, the best wide receivers don’t get doubled? In baseball, the best hitters always get fastballs down the middle?

Dan: I know the Joe-has-been-overplayed-and-is-tired argument has been aired by fans before.

Tony

August 5th, 2009
11:10 am

I agree with u Jeff.Do not resign Joe just yet. Let him play it out. First of all lets be honest JOE IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. What you see is what you get. Picture him as the cornerstone of this franchise?! Now picture Lebron or D-Wade. Get the picture?! He is not a superstar!!! Just like Barkley said “He is just a good player”. Holla. I love Joe but we will not go anywhere w/o Josh Smith and AL and Marvin are the key because Joe cannot do it alone. I would let Joe go BEFORE Josh Smith anyday. Don’t hate. Josh Smith can alter the game on both ends. You can talk about his maturity all you want. But Joe cannot control the game like Josh can. Josh is just some maturity away from being this teams best player (holla). To those offended I’m sorry.ATL 4 Life.

J.J.M.

August 5th, 2009
11:18 am

lol this is the nba though way different then other sports and when other stars get doubled they have other players that can STEP up and make shots

J.J.M.

August 5th, 2009
11:20 am

ex: if roddy white gets doubled we have tony gonzalez to STEP up

SWAT Native

August 5th, 2009
11:22 am

I think what the Hawks are doing is smart (as I think all of their moves this summer have been). Waiting until next summer is like rolling the dice. Let’s see where Joe is heading now – if it looks like he’s going to be hard to sign because he wants too much or just wants to move on – then the Hawks may event want to look to trade him at the deadline rather than losing him for nothing next summer.

Also, I know it’s been mentioned before, but I would like to see what Joe does in the playoffs when he’s healthy and not worn out, which he has a chance to be this season with the addition of Crawford.

Dan

August 5th, 2009
11:26 am

Jeff,

It’s merely conjecture that a big name Free Agent would come here. Pretty much everyone loves this town and a lot of the guys live here and train here during the offseason, so why won’t any of them consider Atlanta. The Hawks organization has shown stability for the first time in a decade, thanks in large part to Joe Johnson by the way, but if you’re LeBron, Wade or Chris Bosh do you honestly look like this is an organization that’s going to push for a title in the near future?

Hawks73

August 5th, 2009
11:27 am

I agree with you to a point Jeff. Sund has proven to be wise & thrify in his negotiations (if that’s even possible). I believe it would be wise to see what kind of “deal” you could get on a contract extension now, and if the numbers are worlds apart, call a day and let Joe explore his options (next year). I think it’s more important for the Hawks to lock up Marvin Williams and then use this as leverage with Joe’s deal.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
11:27 am

So Jeff is your best case scenario option: Joe plays poorly all season (which has yet to do), therefore the Hawks stink and we get to save money on resigning him. Great business plan there.
Or he plays well, Hawks continue playoff push as other teams see Joe as more and more valuable. So you pay him more or lose him in free agency and say “So What”.
Dude, I am glad you are not the GM.

Traceman

August 5th, 2009
11:30 am

If the Hawks can get JJ signed for 5yrs/$75M, they would be stupid not to do it. He is not LeBron, Kobe or D Wade and that type of contract doesn’t say that he is, it says that he is a notch below those guys. All those guys will make significantly more than that going forward.

If the Hawks wait around, one of the teams who is saving money for next year (NY for example) will overpay JJ to leave in order to salavage something when LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Bosh and the other top FAs all resign with their own teams where they can get the most money.

All those other teams have approached their players with proposed extensions at the max. 5 yrs/$75M is NOT a max offer. Why risk pissing JJ off (as PHO did) by not offering him a fair contract extension when the time comes?

The guy has been a 3 time All Star for us. We all saw what happened when JJ was so frustrated with PHO that he was not willing to resign with them for the same money we were offering. And he was a RESTRICTED FA then. He will be unrestricted in 2010. We wouldn’t even get a “Boris Diaw” level replacement for JJ, let alone the two additional 1st that PHO got from us.

How dumb will we look if we don’t even try to sign him and then he goes to NY? We will be over the cap with only the MLE to try and replace him with. We can try to talk NY into doing a sign and trade but what do they have that we want? David Lee would be redundant to what Smoove and Al provide (not to mention that he ia nowhere near the player JJ is). Nate Robinson? Wilson Chandler? Please!

Not resigning JJ would set this franchise back tremendously. If you are not going to resign JJ (a big mistake in my opinion), you had better be working on a trade now. Too many teams will have cap room next year to risk losing him for nothing.

Jeff Schultz

August 5th, 2009
11:37 am

Hawks73 – That could be what Sund is doing. I guess we’ll find out.

Daniel – Uh, no, I don’t believe I wrote that my “business plan” was for Johnson to play poorly. But if it helps you make your point, have at it.

Traceman – you asked, “How dumb will we look if we don’t even try to sign him and then he goes to NY?” The answer to that is, it depends on how he plays in New York and what the Knicks do with him in the lineup.

aaron

August 5th, 2009
11:57 am

I think Joe is worth it Jeff. He’s shown he can be clutch. The entire unit did not perform as fans would’ve liked during the post season. Add a healthy Al, a Josh with a consistent jumper, a Marvin with another year of confidence/health, a steady rebounding center, a penetrating Teague, a Bibby stretching the floor with the 3, and a productive bench to that Cleveland series this coming year and maybe Joe comes off a bit better. It’s exciting.

Kaz

August 5th, 2009
12:06 pm

Don’t lose Joe. If we do lose him and start playing horribly, don’t hide from this article saying that you only said wait. Waiting could make him think we don’t appreciate him and then he will feel slighted. If he leaves, it’s comments like yours that never get mentioned as to the reasons why star players don’t come and fans are indifferent. Just stand by these words if he leaves.

Traceman

August 5th, 2009
12:17 pm

Jeff, it is true that our “level of dumbness” will either rise or fall with how well (or poorly) JJ plays. That said, after watching the guy play for the last 4 years, I think it is safe to say he will give them the same 21 ppg, 6 apg and 4 rbg that he has given us on average for the last 4 years. That kind of steady production, when provided for a team that has improved every year he has been on the roster, is not max level production but it is certainly worth 5 yrs/$75M in the context of what other NBA players make.

None of your business Hawk2

August 5th, 2009
12:21 pm

YOU ARE WEIRD. YEAH IT MIGHT BE YOUR OPINION, BUT COME ON NOW. JOE IS WORTH IT BECAUSE WHEN HE GOT HURT IN THHE 2ND ROUND; HE STILL WANTED TO PLAY. ANYWAY ALL OF THE LOSS IN THE PLAYOFFS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JOE. YES, JOE WILL SCREW UP SOMETIMES., BUT IT IS NOT JUST HIS FAULT.

JOE JOHNSON, DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A LOUD MOUTH, ARROGANT, WOMAN ACTING, AND SPOTLIGHT HUNGRY FOOL LIKE LEBRON JAMES TO GET NOTICED OR TO WIN.

YOU ARE NOT THINKING SO BRIGHT BECAUSE WHEN THE REST OF THE TEAM DON’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. WHO DOES SOMETHING? UH? JOE JOHNSON!!!!!!

IF JOE ISN’T SO GOOD, HOW COME EVERY TIME A TEAM GOES AGAINST THE HAWKS THEY WANT TO DOUBLE TEAM JOE JOHNSON. THEY DOUBLE TEAM JOE JOHNSON BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE IS A GOOD, TALENTED PLAYER. WHEN HE IS DOUBLE TEAMED NO ONE ON THE HAWKS TEAM TRIES TO HELP.

JUST FACE IT IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE SUBJECT JUST STAY OFF OF IT AND LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.

DNo

August 5th, 2009
12:33 pm

I’d love to see what ALL of these guys could do with a different, better coach.

realsquawk

August 5th, 2009
12:36 pm

Jeff,

I think you are absolutely right to want to wait and sign and Joe the after his contract is up and after he is given a chance to prove himself. We know Joe gets tired, but we also Joe doesn’t ask for rest something all great players know how to do.

The problem in letting him go to free agency is other teams getting to set ridiculous prices and if the economy gets better we might not be able to sigh him as cheaply as we could this year.

It is freakin Joe Johnson though and with a new offensive scheme and a different rotation he would probably be unstoppable in the playoffs

Shhhh! It's a Secret!

August 5th, 2009
12:54 pm

I heard that Teague is unstoppable when he penetrates.

Hey, cut it out, that tickles!

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
1:11 pm

Uh yes, Jeff you said “let Johnson prove that he is the kind of player he needs to be to earn that kind of money, if not then no one else will blow him away in negotiations anyway”
Or did you mean something else when you wrote that?
You obviously don’t think Joe is worth the kind of money that he will be asking for, and you don’t think his talent is too good to not risk on the open market. That is your opinion, fine.
But, you want to couch your opinion in it making good business and basketball sense. Well, it just doesn’t.
Also, please defend your opinion on the merits of what you wrote.

Dell

August 5th, 2009
1:12 pm

Jeff, just because a player gets paid centerpiece money, doesn’t mean he is on the same level as MJ, KB, DW, or LJ.! It only means, that he was the best player on the team at the time. MJ, KB, DW, and LJ are very rare talents, and can handle the double. Joe is a very good player, but only 1 on 1, so he will have trouble with the double…so get off his bubble! THAT WAS NOT ON PURPOSE!

SWATlantadolfan

August 5th, 2009
1:16 pm

No way you let Joe go into free agency,lets not be fickle.We dedicated ourselves to making it work eith this cast of players.You gotta follow through and signing Joe is the next to final piece(Horford will be the final piece).Joe will get better when the others raise their games up,which I truly believe will happen in the next couple of years.He(Joe) is not a put your team on my back player,but he is a clutch player overall.He just needs to be surrounded with a more confident cast.

Dell

August 5th, 2009
1:17 pm

Jeff, I had you ahead of Mark in being knowledgeable! I’m having second thoughts….

Mystikal

August 5th, 2009
1:22 pm

Agree with Dan and Trace, smart money is on signing Joe now if et al possible. It would be stupid to risk losing Joe after all the strides this franchise has made. We’ve come along way, but certainly not to the point where we can turn our nose at a top 20/all-star player. True, Joe is not Lebron or Dwade, they would command well over 100 million. Not that either of them would consider coming to Atlanta anyway. If we can get JJ around 75 to 80 million, that would be a deal. We know Joe has been overplayed often and hasn’t always had the complementary guys step up, but he’s stayed consistent. He is not Michael Jordan, so he is not going to beat great teams (cavs) by himself. Get it done, Sund!!

Hey Jeff, if attention is already being turned towards resigning Joe, what does that mean for bringing in Joe Smith or another big?

Jeff Schultz

August 5th, 2009
1:25 pm

Aaron – you might be right, but I need to see it first.

Kaz – If Joe earns it, I’ll write it. I’ve never backed off in similar situations.

Realsquawk — Thanks, good points.

Daniel – I’m guessing Joe’s value is different to different teams on the open market. Here’s what I mean: He’s worth more to a team with a first option, where he could be the second option, than to a team that needs a star. I’m not sure he has proven to be the No. 1 guy, and that goes to his value to a lot of teams.

Big Ray

August 5th, 2009
1:33 pm

Well, it depends on whether or not the front office and coaching staff think Joe is still the cornerstone of this team. If they think that another player (or better yet, two) on this current squad can take that next step, then it’s not something you want to commit 5 years and $75 million to. For instance, if you think you can contend for a title with Joe, then you pay him that money.

I’d rather give the guy 3 years, not 5. The team’s future was once built solely around JJ. Now, I’m not so sure. I think we may be looking more at Horford, Smith, and very possibly Teague. You never know. But how far does this team go with Joe making max money? I wouldn’t want Sund’s job.

Big Ray

August 5th, 2009
1:37 pm

Jeff,

Joe Johnson has not proven to be a #1 guy. He’s very close, but needs a second, and probably a third guy who can do anywhere from two thirds to three fourths of what he can do.

This is not a knock on Joe, but we’re paying the man max money as if he can lead a team and take over the way guys like Kobe and Lebron do. Every time he gets criticized for not being Wade, Kobe, Lebron, etc…somebody comes along and defends him by reminding us that he’s not that kind of player, that he is not THOSE players.

Well, we sure are paying him like he is. Something to think about…

Mystikal

August 5th, 2009
1:42 pm

Wade, Kobe, Lebron, etc… those players would command much more than we are talking about giving Joe. Kobe himself currently almost makes double what Joe is making. Besides none of those guys are coming here. What we need is for Josh and Al to expand their games so we can get a complement in the post for all our guards.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
1:50 pm

Jeff- Really? Joe’s value is different to different teams depending on their needs, cap situation, etc. Wow, Is he the only player in the NBA who that statement would be true for, or is it true for every player?
I get that you think Joe Johnson needs to play another year to prove his value to you. Point taken.
I would say, and thankfully our GM would too, that he has consistently proven his value and it is likely to be in the 14 mil per range. Not 17 or 24 which is Kobe and Lebron money.
At best with your plan, we resign Joe next year, after he has tested the market and NOBODY wants him to 10-12 mil.
So, one that is not likely to happen and two it is clearly not worth the risk to potentially save 2-3 milion on a player who has been a model teamate and citizen.

True Hawks Fan

August 5th, 2009
1:50 pm

You guys are going to eat crow. Who could we get to replace Joe? Lebron, DWade, Bosh? Not to many people that can do what Joe does. Name some that don’t have ties to a franchise. NO ONE!

Corey

August 5th, 2009
1:56 pm

If u make a trade let’s say Josh Smith and a second round pick for Amare then you would have a player to take some pressure off of Joe. I agree that he is a very good #2 but if u can pair him with someone who is a willing scorer then we might be on to something in Atl

clint

August 5th, 2009
1:58 pm

with the salary cap set to probably go down again after next season, the hawks should be able to get JJ for less than his last deal if he wants the hawks to compete for a championship

Big Ray

August 5th, 2009
2:10 pm

The problem continues to lie in the fact that we have a head coach who wishes to continue to operate like Joe is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and just about only solid offensive option we have.

It can be argued that guys like Horford, Smith, and Marvin are not ready for larger roles or haven’t proven that they are. Well, that’s another problem that is self-inflicted. Woody wants finished products, and won’t work with anything else. That’s not how the NBA works, or we wouldn’t have a draft. Our young frontcourt players may not look like they’re ready for bigger roles simply because they haven’t been utilized in bigger roles, for the most part. Of course, that applies to Horford and Williams more than it does Smith.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 5th, 2009
2:19 pm

I couldn’t possibly disagree more. Many teams have been clearing cap space in anticipation of the summer of ‘10 to sign LeBron or Wade, most notably the Knicks. But the way the salary cap situation is looking, it may not be possible for a team like that to give one of those elite players enough money to pull them away from their existing teams. So where does a team like the Knicks turn when they have been foiled in their quest for LeBron or Wade? To players like Joe Johnson, of course. Players generally avoid dealing with contract negotiations during the season, and you gotta believe Joe won’t be too thrilled about returning next summer if the Hawks don’t make a strong effort to keep him now. Keep in mind that he has already shown a willingness to leave a good situation for a seemingly worse one — from all accounts the main reason he left the Suns is because he felt disrespected during contract negotiations.

Joe may not be a top-10 player but the Hawks are on the verge of becoming a 50-win team with him as their centerpiece, and the odds that you can trade him for a player of greater value are very slim. The last thing you want is for him to hit the free agent market next summer and have him feel like some other team values him more than this one. Everyone will be able to breathe easier if the deal gets done with him now.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 5th, 2009
2:20 pm

Oh yeah, and I’d be willing to bet Joe plays much better in the playoffs this year if Woody cuts his regular season minutes. With the kind of depth the Hawks have in the backcourt now, there’s really no excuse for him to continue to play nearly 40 minutes a game.

ChuckHinson

August 5th, 2009
2:24 pm

I disagree that Joe is not a top 10. Joe most certanly IS A TOP 10 player in the NBA. I can only think of 3 players who may be better. D-Wade, Kobe and Labron. Thats it. Joe is better than all the rest of the NBA players bar none. I would sign Joe to a long-term contract and build a team with Joe as the centerpiece player.

Good Grief

August 5th, 2009
2:25 pm

Can’t disagree with you anymore than I’m about to Mr. Schultz. I’ve never expected JJ to be a Kobe or Lebron like player. First off, you talk about what he’s done the past two years in the playoffs….

I thought, personally, he carried the team on his back in quite a few of those Celtic games from what I can remember two years ago. You’re right about last year though, not only did he struggle in the playoffs he struggled throughout the year, but for a guy thats carried the team since he gotten here I wouldn’t expect him to have another “off year”. I think Joe is going to come back strong and be a much stronger leader this year and I tell you this. If JJ comes back better than ever it would be the Hawks mistake not to sign him early.

The Hawks have always said JJ is the cornerstone of the team and you just don’t let your cornerstone sit on the side of the street on a cold day. You take care of him as soon as possible and that’s what they need to do. Waiting may also mean his price tag could go up and I don’t know how much the Hawks can afford. Another frustrating issue is this concept of “proving himself”. Its just as annoying as the argument about leadership was during last year’s blog.

Hawks, go ahead and sign the guy and lets get it out the way. We don’t need any Roddy White like issues heading into this seasons where we should win 50+ games.

Dr. R

August 5th, 2009
2:29 pm

I clicked on the link wondering “Joe who?” with no idea exactly which Joe we were talking about. Ain’t like it’s a first name you don’t see often, like Shaq or Kobe. And whatever happened to referring to male adult athletes by their last names? What is this, a girls’ kindergarten class? Treat ‘em like men for criminy’s sake.

MJ

August 5th, 2009
2:37 pm

The top franchises don’t do business like that Mr. Schultz. The extension should always be presented at least to let your team, the league, and fans know that you are serious about winning. There are too many “what ifs” to run that type of risk. An extension now might be a cheaper alternative to the Hawks if JJ ends up having a monster season and playoffs. And who knows, it may not be cheaper as a lot of scenarios would have to play itself out. You don’t run the risk of losing JJ and possibly not getting anything in return whatsoever? The main concern should be about the development and improvement of the young core. That’s the main key to staying competitive over the long term with this team. The money should be less of an issue as opposed trying to stay competitive.

You think no team will pay him the same type of money as his current deal but do you really want to run that risk? You have to take into account how other teams are going to approach next summer as well. I would think if the Knicks can’t pick up LeBron or any of the other superstars on their wish list, they would turn to JJ and give him a substantial offer. You are going to be competing with a lot of money and the market of New York itself. The man is more efficient than MOST players at 2 position in the NBA and the Hawks should really value that.

True Hawks Fan

August 5th, 2009
2:39 pm

I agree, Joe JOHNSON is a top ten player. We let Joe Johnson carry this team for years and now some “fans” are willing to turn there backs on him. Joe Johnson has done nothing wrong, except play the game with character. I believe in Joe.

Loyal Hawk Fan

August 5th, 2009
2:43 pm

Of course you sign Joe Johnson now; if you can!!
He is one of the best players in the NBA. Period.
Besides D-Wade; name a 2 guard that is better.

Jeff, do you watch the Hawks play?

STRETCH

August 5th, 2009
2:50 pm

Wow, this is why this organization/team will never win anything worth noting. We are having discussions about Joe Johnson’s future when they cant even address the CURRENT ISSUES!

JJ is a guy who hides when its time for the big stage. Of course i know he was double teamed throughout the playoffs, but what about the All-star game. I know i was not the only person to see how bad he sucked without the double team.

Like i said before, Kobe, Lebron, D-Wade are Superstars, Joe Johnson is a Star, he’s not going to a team like a Vince Carter or a Tim Duncan or even a Gilbert Arenas(when healthy)would.

This team is loaded with young talent, but they still need a couple more BIG pieces to even be considered elite. They will barely make it in at a 6 seed next season.

Shamwow Man

August 5th, 2009
2:57 pm

JJ is a 12-15 million player. He is a 2nd tier player. Franchises that give 2 and 3rd tier guys max money always come to regret it. JJ has played alot of minutes in this league and his body is starting to break down.