Comments on: Trade deadline special: Salty an afterthought in Teixeira deal http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/ This AJC sports blogger takes things seriously when he has to, but he really would rather not Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:54:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: gunnar http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-15842 gunnar Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:33:38 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-15842 I think you're off the mark on Andrus. His defense has regularly been stellar. He gets to a ton of balls. And, at the plate he continues to improve. He's up into the .260s now. Additionally, he has a good eye. Thank you Braves! I think you’re off the mark on Andrus. His defense has regularly been stellar. He gets to a ton of balls. And, at the plate he continues to improve. He’s up into the .260s now. Additionally, he has a good eye.
Thank you Braves!

]]> By: Katie http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-12083 Katie Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:22:55 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-12083 I think Salty and Elvis have been great for Texas this year. Elvis is in a little bit of a slump right now but alot of the players on Texas has had a little slump one time or another This year. Salty has been great defensivly and has really improved as for his BA that is also the result of a little slump, and even with the slump his BA isn't half bad. I think Salty and Elvis have been great for Texas this year. Elvis is in a little bit of a slump right now but alot of the players on Texas has had a little slump one time or another
This year. Salty has been great defensivly and has really improved as for his BA that is also the result of a little slump, and even with the slump his BA isn’t half bad.

]]> By: Josh http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11994 Josh Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:46:41 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11994 And yet Salty is only 23 years old, Elvis 20, and Feliz 20, Harrison 23-24, all still have tremendous upside. Definitely a reason why Texas is even contending this year. While Teixeira is hitting for the Yankees. Horrible deal. And yet Salty is only 23 years old, Elvis 20, and Feliz 20, Harrison 23-24, all still have tremendous upside. Definitely a reason why Texas is even contending this year. While Teixeira is hitting for the Yankees. Horrible deal.

]]> By: Matt http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11956 Matt Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:17:01 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11956 Elvis being bad at defense is your contention, which is evidenced by his 12 errors. You've never seen Elvis play, have you? Or, are you an individual who thinks that errors are a good metric to evaluate defense? Either way, what a stupid, stupid way to present Elvis' value. Elvis being bad at defense is your contention, which is evidenced by his 12 errors. You’ve never seen Elvis play, have you? Or, are you an individual who thinks that errors are a good metric to evaluate defense? Either way, what a stupid, stupid way to present Elvis’ value.

]]> By: jeffrey d http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11834 jeffrey d Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:43:34 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11834 All I'm saying is we got a player who can be a difference maker to help us compete for two postseasons. So far, we didn't give up anyone who's done anything significant in the big leagues. I know that that'll change, but it's what had to be done. All I’m saying is we got a player who can be a difference maker to help us compete for two postseasons. So far, we didn’t give up anyone who’s done anything significant in the big leagues. I know that that’ll change, but it’s what had to be done.

]]> By: Larvell "Sugar Bear" Blanks http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11803 Larvell "Sugar Bear" Blanks Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:06:04 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11803 The part of the trade that was predictable for me was the Teixiera part - with Boras as his agent, Tex was destined for a free agent contract search for the highest bidder - and the Braves couldn't (wouldn't?) participate - therefore so JS could have one last kick at the can, JS opted for an almost certain no more than 100 games of Tex for all those prospects and whatever they would become - good, bad or in-between. JS more than anyone else should have known what Boras would do at the first opportunity - I have to believe it was JS' ego and bowtie that prompted him to squander those prospects and be left with nothing but a good glove, Punch and Judy hitter in Kotchman. What a waste! The part of the trade that was predictable for me was the Teixiera part – with Boras as his agent, Tex was destined for a free agent contract search for the highest bidder – and the Braves couldn’t (wouldn’t?) participate – therefore so JS could have one last kick at the can, JS opted for an almost certain no more than 100 games of Tex for all those prospects and whatever they would become – good, bad or in-between. JS more than anyone else should have known what Boras would do at the first opportunity – I have to believe it was JS’ ego and bowtie that prompted him to squander those prospects and be left with nothing but a good glove, Punch and Judy hitter in Kotchman. What a waste!

]]> By: the truth... http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11801 the truth... Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:02:56 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11801 yep...the deal was good for the Rangers and them alone....we sucked wind getting Tex just to boost his upcoming free agency. I didn't like Tex then and don't like him now.....the trade had to be the worst the Braves have done in my memory (and that goes a long way back) Anyone who can spin it to say that we got the best of that deal, or that they really only received one player who'll make a difference needs to go back to Little League and start over... Who could ever say it is worthwhile to trade so many young talents for one "stud" who will carry a weak team to the promised land...doesn't work, doesn't happen and obviously didn't .... Anyone remember the Herschel Walker trade? Well read this and ponder how it works for the team giving away the farm....even for a stud like Herschell....and does anyone seriously think Tex is even in the same league impact wise as Herschell was? I doubt it.... I know, different sports, different times....anyway...the deal for Tex sucked....don't spin it cause it makes you look dumb and dumber.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade yep…the deal was good for the Rangers and them alone….we sucked wind getting Tex just to boost his upcoming free agency. I didn’t like Tex then and don’t like him now…..the trade had to be the worst the Braves have done in my memory (and that goes a long way back)

Anyone who can spin it to say that we got the best of that deal, or that they really only received one player who’ll make a difference needs to go back to Little League and start over…

Who could ever say it is worthwhile to trade so many young talents for one “stud” who will carry a weak team to the promised land…doesn’t work, doesn’t happen and obviously didn’t ….

Anyone remember the Herschel Walker trade? Well read this and ponder how it works for the team giving away the farm….even for a stud like Herschell….and does anyone seriously think Tex is even in the same league impact wise as Herschell was? I doubt it….

I know, different sports, different times….anyway…the deal for Tex sucked….don’t spin it cause it makes you look dumb and dumber….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

]]> By: jeffrey d http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11800 jeffrey d Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:53:59 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11800 So we're still gonna pick and choose when we're going to judge TP? Why not compare McCann's and Escobar's minor league and major league numbers? They've taken a big step forward since coming to the majors. But that can't be the work of TP. He obviously only brings down hitters. Major league baseball players have been hitting for about 15 years by the time they make it to the top. You mean to say you think TP instantly makes everyone forget how to hit? Or maybe you're just looking for a scapegoat? So we’re still gonna pick and choose when we’re going to judge TP? Why not compare McCann’s and Escobar’s minor league and major league numbers? They’ve taken a big step forward since coming to the majors. But that can’t be the work of TP. He obviously only brings down hitters.

Major league baseball players have been hitting for about 15 years by the time they make it to the top. You mean to say you think TP instantly makes everyone forget how to hit? Or maybe you’re just looking for a scapegoat?

]]> By: C-Rip http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11799 C-Rip Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:47:47 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11799 OK...this column is fairly interesting...though still flawed considering I don't think you can knock Elvis Andrus on anything yet considering he's about 3 years old. But I still see this same ridiculous notion that Teixeira was not a "clutch" player in Atlanta....which is pretty much just everyone's way of projecting their frustration for the Braves not making the playoffs in '07 or performing better in '08 entirely on him....because absolutely no fact or statistical measure backs up that statement. The facts, Tex played, essentially a full year for Atlanta, here are his numbers: 157 G, 589 ABs, 37 HR, 134 RBI, .295 AVG, .395 OBP, .943 OPS Here are his numbers "Late and Close" (7th inning or later, game tied or within one run) 2007: 62 ABs, .332 AVG, 3 HR, 12 RBI 2008: 88 ABs, .352 AVG, 8 HR, 25 RBI For his career: Late and Close: 533 ABs, 35 HR, 119 RBI, .285 AVG 2 Outs w/runners in scoring position: 437 ABs, 39 HR, 210 RBI, .293 AVG Across every statistical measure - Teixeira is a clutch performer. So it isn't far more likely the fault of say....the Braves having outfielders that COMBINED to hit 18 homeruns in '08, or the fact that Bob Wickman was the closer in '07 (or Gonzalez in '08), or that they were relying on the following hacks to make up 3/5s of their starting rotation: Kyle Davies, Chuck James, Mike Hampton, JoJo Reyes, Charlie Morton, Lance Cormier, Mark Redman, Buddy Carlyle...and not Teixeria that the Braves finished poorly? OK…this column is fairly interesting…though still flawed considering I don’t think you can knock Elvis Andrus on anything yet considering he’s about 3 years old. But I still see this same ridiculous notion that Teixeira was not a “clutch” player in Atlanta….which is pretty much just everyone’s way of projecting their frustration for the Braves not making the playoffs in ‘07 or performing better in ‘08 entirely on him….because absolutely no fact or statistical measure backs up that statement. The facts, Tex played, essentially a full year for Atlanta, here are his numbers:

157 G, 589 ABs, 37 HR, 134 RBI, .295 AVG, .395 OBP, .943 OPS

Here are his numbers “Late and Close” (7th inning or later, game tied or within one run)
2007: 62 ABs, .332 AVG, 3 HR, 12 RBI
2008: 88 ABs, .352 AVG, 8 HR, 25 RBI

For his career:
Late and Close: 533 ABs, 35 HR, 119 RBI, .285 AVG
2 Outs w/runners in scoring position: 437 ABs, 39 HR, 210 RBI, .293 AVG

Across every statistical measure – Teixeira is a clutch performer. So it isn’t far more likely the fault of say….the Braves having outfielders that COMBINED to hit 18 homeruns in ‘08, or the fact that Bob Wickman was the closer in ‘07 (or Gonzalez in ‘08), or that they were relying on the following hacks to make up 3/5s of their starting rotation: Kyle Davies, Chuck James, Mike Hampton, JoJo Reyes, Charlie Morton, Lance Cormier, Mark Redman, Buddy Carlyle…and not Teixeria that the Braves finished poorly?

]]> By: UGA 75 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2009/07/21/trade-deadline-special-salty-an-afterthought-in-teixeira-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-11798 UGA 75 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:41:19 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/?p=2356#comment-11798 Can't help but notice you point out that Rudy Jamarillo hasn't succeeded with a single hitter, on the other hand can you point out a single hitter Terry Pendleton has helped? Andruw and Frenchy were ruined by a so called hitting coach that doesn't work with hitters strengths, but tries to teach them to hit the way he did. Don Baylor taught hitters to use their individual strengths and improve on that aspect of the game. Andruw isn't totally back, neither is Frenchy, but both improved after TP's instructions fade into memories. It is about time that the columnist for the AJC do a comparison between TP, his approach and that of successful hitting coaches. TP is on his way to ruining Nate Mac now. The Braves need a hitting coach that doesn't do any harm, that would be improvement by subtraction at least. Can’t help but notice you point out that Rudy Jamarillo hasn’t succeeded with a single hitter, on the other hand can you point out a single hitter Terry Pendleton has helped? Andruw and Frenchy were ruined by a so called hitting coach that doesn’t work with hitters strengths, but tries to teach them to hit the way he did. Don Baylor taught hitters to use their individual strengths and improve on that aspect of the game. Andruw isn’t totally back, neither is Frenchy, but both improved after TP’s instructions fade into memories. It is about time that the columnist for the AJC do a comparison between TP, his approach and that of successful hitting coaches. TP is on his way to ruining Nate Mac now. The Braves need a hitting coach that doesn’t do any harm, that would be improvement by subtraction at least.

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