Tuesday Countdown: So at 50-1, should Hawks just forget about next season?

Once more with feeling: Trading Josh is not the answer.

Once more with feeling: Trading Josh is not the answer.

I always figured if money wasn’t an issue for me, my vice would be sports gambling. There’s no off-season. There’s always something new to interest you. And every Las Vegas sports book is within 10 feet of a $7.99 buffet. You know how cheap those 127 items come to at $7.99?

Only in sports gambling can a season end one night and you already have a chance to “invest” in the next season at breakfast the following morning.

Which leads to this week’s Tuesday Countdown. Did you know somebody’s already not projecting greatness for your Atlanta Hawks — and general manager Rick Sund hasn’t even made a roster move yet?

10. Psst. But what if Shaq goes to Cavs?

Just got word from Bodog.com, which actually isn’t a casino but rather an online sports book. They’ve just put out their odds to win the 2010 NBA championship and — the LeBron James muppet may not want to hear this – the Los Angeles Lakers are a slight favor to repeat as champions at 9-4, followed by Cleveland at 3-1 and Boston at 9-2. Your Hawks? Bodog has them listed at 50-1, which is tied with Miami, Chicago and Phoenix Miami, and ranks 13th in the NBA and fifth among teams in the Eastern Conference (behind Boston, Cleveland, Orlando and Detroit). The complete list:

Odds to win 2010 NBA Championship
Los Angeles Lakers 9/4
Cleveland Cavaliers 3/1
Boston Celtics 9/2
Orlando Magic 15/2
Denver Nuggets 12/1
Houston Rockets 15/1
San Antonio Spurs 16/1
Portland Trailblazers 18/1
Utah Jazz 20/1
New Orleans Hornets 35/1
Dallas Mavericks 40/1
Detroit Pistons 45/1
Atlanta Hawks 50/1
Chicago Bulls 50/1
Miami Heat 50/1
Phoenix Suns 50/1
Philadelphia 76ers 60/1
New Jersey Nets 75/1
New York Knicks 75/1
Washington Wizards 75/1
Charlotte Bobcats 100/1
Golden State Warriors 100/1
Indiana Pacers 100/1
Los Angeles Clippers 100/1
Milwaukee Bucks 100/1
Oklahoma City Thunder 100/1
Sacramento Kings 100/1
Toronto Raptors 100/1
Minnesota Timberwolves 125/1
Memphis Grizzlies 150-1

9. Coming soon: Blogger faceoff!

This is a prime opening to note two things: Beginning Wednesday morning, Mark Bradley and I will have an online point/counterpoint on one issue every week. I have proposed calling it, “I’m right. He’s wrong,” but I’m not sure that’s going to fly. HELP: We need you to suggest names. (This should be good. I feel like I just let go of an underhand pitch with a whiffle ball.) This week’s topic is: If you could make only one major move with the Hawks this season summer, what would it be? I don’t believe either of us is picking, “Trade Josh Smith,” since we’ve both weighed in to the contrary. But on that subject: Why won’t these rumors go away?

8. Oh look, an ESPN exclusive!

ESPN: So many channels; so much fiction.

ESPN: So many channels; so much fiction.

An enterprising reporter (work with me here) from the Entertainment Sports Programming Network reported that the Hawks have been working hard to find a taker for Smith – because, you know, you really have to labor to get somebody interested in a young player who can rebound, sky and run the floor, knucklehead tendencies notwithstanding. Our Sekou Smith summarized the situation fairly well. Even if you believe that the Hawks actually are entertaining this – and I don’t – there’s a poison pill in Smith’s contract that states he gets $6 million if he’s traded. That’s $6 million above his contract. In this economy, do you know how many already discounted seats on all-you-can-eat-Tuesday-hotdog night a team needs to sell to make back that $6 million?

7. Dealing Smith could haunt franchise

OK, once more with feeling. Sund is really considering a MAJOR move, he should look at trading Joe Johnson, not Smith. I’m not suggesting he do either. But Johnson is entering the final year on his contract and he disappeared in the playoffs again. There could be a sense of, “This is as far as he can take us.” He’s a great complimentary piece, not a centerpiece. Smith is aggravating, yes. But there’s an upside to him and the real possibility that if you trade him, he turns into the somewhat stable superstar you always hoped for but somewhere else.

6. And speaking of ESPN: Uh, what?

ESPN reports that Earl Boykins will not try to post-up against Shaq.

ESPN quotes two unnamed sources as saying that Earl Boykins will not try to post-up Shaquille O'Neal..

I am not making this up: ESPN actually quoted two unnamed sources saying that Phoenix is not on the verge of a trade with Cleveland involving Shaquille O’Neal and the clubs have not spoken in the past few days. So let me get this straight: Two sources told a reporter — on background, not for attribution — that two teams haven’t spoken to each other and are not about to make a trade? And this is news?

5. I hear Yankees are not moving to Des Moines

Why not just make this part of a series? What better way to pass the long days of summer? “ESPN has learned today that Joe Lapchick is not on the verge of making a comeback with the Montreal Canadiens and the two sides haven’t spoken in recent weeks, at least in part because Lapchick doesn’t speak French, can’t skate and is also dead. On a related note, Hubie Brown has not been contacted by the Brazilian Olympic women’s soccer’s team about its vacant job, according to well-placed sources and a guy who just knocked on my door trying to sell me new windows. ESPN will bring you updates later today on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNNews and ESPNU but not ESPN-Favre, unless Brett says it’s OK.”

One possible tour destination: the Addis Ababa train station.

One possible tour destination: the Addis Ababa train station.

4. Hey, kids. We’re going to Addis Abba!

Looking for that perfect summer getaway? Here’s an idea: Ethiopia! Got an email advertising a three-night trip to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, for Evander Holyfield’s exhibition fight July 25 against Sammy Retta. The bout is being billed as the biggest event in Africa since Ali-Foreman, which I’m pretty sure was bigger. Anyway, the email did not include prices but it includes airfare on Ethiopian Airlines, accommodations and a tour of downtown Addis Ababa, which I would imagine includes the market, the post office, the train station and the Ace Hardware store. As an alternate vacation choice, two unnamed sources tell me you can always just drive to Destin because it’s closer, cheaper and you don’t have to watch two old guys looking pathetic fighting each other, unless they’re fighting over their place in line at “Big Kahunas.”

3. Twittering with the (former) stars

Got a Twitter from Jamal Anderson. Asked him where he’s been. Response: “Witness Protection Program…working as a roadie for the New Kids On the Block! hahahahaha….” Not sure but I believe he’s not quite ready to open up yet.

2. Heatley wants out, Hossa wants anywhere

This is Marian Hossa and his girlfriend. Her name is Janka. Yeah. I thought you'd like that.

This is Marian Hossa and his girlfriend, Janka. You're welcome.

Four years ago the Thrashers traded Dany Heatley for Marian Hossa after Heatley requested a trade (after the NHL lockout and two years following the car wreck that killed teammate Dan Snyder). Now both players are having their issues. After four seasons in Ottawa, Heatley has requested a trade – and, no, he’s not coming back to Atlanta – even though there are five years and $37.5 million remaining on his contract. Hossa? He has played in the Stanley Cup finals two straight years. But he lost to the Red Wings as a Penguin and then — after leaving Pittsburgh in free agency and taking less money in Detroit — lost to the Penguins as a Red Wing. He also disappeared in the playoffs. Know why? Because he’s the Joe Johnson of hockey – a great complimentary player but not a guy to build around. Now he’s going into free agency coming off a post-season in which he went goal-less with three assists in the finals and failed to score a goal in 14 of the last 15 post-season games. And no, he’s not coming back to the Thrashers, either.

1. All is well at Tech, so far

Gani Lawal announced he is pulling out of the NBA draft pool and will return for another season at Georgia Tech. Paul Hewitt, you’re on the clock.

85 comments Add your comment

Greg

June 16th, 2009
12:24 pm

How’s this for a title for your seires with Bradley: “We can’t both be wrong all the time!”?

Brendan

June 16th, 2009
12:26 pm

IF the Hawks trade Josh Smith, yes, they should just forget next season, and the one after that, too. And trade Johnson, while they’re bent on dismantling a team that just won a playoff series. Which is something of a rarity in Atlanta sports these days. (For the sports that play series.)

Okay, names for Bradley & Schultz Wednesday show:

“The Atlanta Factor.” (Bill O’Reilly might sue.)
“Peachy Keen.” (Meh.)
“Teams of Endearment.” (Debra Winger might sue.)
“Oy, Atlanta.” (Spanish community will argue for the “H” in front.)
“A Pack of Points NOW!” (Hmmn, that has potential.)
“Real Sports, with Mark & Jeff.” (Too campy.)
“Star Sports.” (George Lucas might sue.)
“Final Analysis” (Richard Gere and Kim Basinger might sue.)
“Point Break.” (Meh.)
“Breaking Point.” (Sounds too much like a cue for sponsor timeout.)
“Ultimate Ultimatums” (Now, I really like that one.) In that show, Mark & Jeff tell the owners what they simply MUST DO.

Jeff, me yikey Janka. But something you once wrote still comes to the forefront, on Hossa. You said, “Marian Hossa has NEVER put a team up on his shoulders and carried them.” And he didn’t, once again. Hossa is a great player. Maybe he is window dressing. But Hossa is still one of the 10 best power forwards, on Earth, in hockey. I hope he gets what he wants: A longterm deal with Detroit. The guy doesn’t need money. It’s not about the money anymore. It’s about playing where he wants. And I suspect Hossa has always wanted to play in Detroit, or a market “like Detroit.” At a 40% discount, I think Detroit would be foolish to let a player like that get away. The Red Wings have not been about “one player,” so much as they are about being “four lines deep, laden with All-Stars.” Hossa fits in Detroit. He’s just got to perform better in the Finals/Playoffs. If Detroit doesn’t want Hossa, Ottawa would do well to reacquire him. IF that happened, Hossa would come to be known as “The Heatley substitute.”

Alex

June 16th, 2009
12:29 pm

Nirvana If You’re A Fan Of Online Debates Between Sports Writers In Large Metro Areas Of States That Border Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama and Florida

Kahler

June 16th, 2009
12:33 pm

I love the idea of playing off of BS.

The question you have to ask yourself about Josh Smith is will he ever reach his full potential? If you believe so, then you have to replace Woodson with a guy who can get him there. If not, then you have to trade him at his highest value, getting as much in return for him as you can. This clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EprveDGVBA should tell you something!

Alex

June 16th, 2009
12:34 pm

Or you could play off of another one of the AJC blogs that probably has the same readership and call it “Woman To Woman… only with guys, and it’s about sports”

Kahler

June 16th, 2009
12:38 pm

How about “Some Afternoon S&M, with Schultz & Mark”?

Alex

June 16th, 2009
12:41 pm

it doesn’t matter what you call the column as long as the first topic you debate is who would would be a better hypothetical replacement for josh smith: cynthia tucker or jim wooten

mr. mike

June 16th, 2009
12:42 pm

Janka, is it?
Thank you, Jeff; thank you.

Where can you find...

June 16th, 2009
12:51 pm

…a buffet in Vegas for $7.99? That went out in about 1985, though you can get the all you can eat shoe leather and prime rib at Terrible’s Casino, if you ask for it!

Real Life

June 16th, 2009
1:19 pm

Dany Heatley never paid the price for murder—he was dui–homicide of Dan Snyder. Vick killed a dog and prosecuted immediately. So, yea, mention his name and Dan Snyder’s death through vehicle every chance you get…Vick name will forever be mentioned with dogs and he paid the price and much more!!! Real Life!

woody

June 16th, 2009
1:20 pm

You want a topic lets talk about the total, I mean total, lack of Stanley cup final coverage on the AJC.com….I mean I know it’s the South and you hate us Yankess ..but i could not find a blurb on the Front page nor the Sports page and not even the Thrashers/NHL page. Talk about sports racism you guys at the AJC.com sure showed it the last two weeks.

Terrible Truth

June 16th, 2009
1:22 pm

You could call it “Hen Party” so long as there is no gender based trademark infringement conflict.

Janka….Yummy!

StingerSplash

June 16th, 2009
1:26 pm

you know, NSFW for the Bradley v Schultz thing just might work. I mean, who would ever think to mention either one of them and the word work in the same sentence.

Karl Childers

June 16th, 2009
1:34 pm

call your blog Kasier blade and potted meat……

got to go, my biscuits and mustard are ready.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm……..

observor

June 16th, 2009
1:37 pm

Real life, you’re an idiot. Get your facts straight before you spout off about a topic. Heately WAS NOT DUI. He was tested at the seen and was sober, he was just driving like a reckless fool in a Ferrari. It’s time you dumba$$ Vick supporters stop propagating lies in a rather pathetic effort to defend that worthless felon. I do agree that Heatley got off lightly, but stop making up lies to support that brain dead fool up in Virginia.

gdg73

June 16th, 2009
1:53 pm

and Stallworth just got 30 days for killing a guy while DUI. I dare someone say that our legal system is not jacked up.

Jack G.

June 16th, 2009
2:28 pm

How about HUFFIN and PUFFIN or YING and YANG

sane jane

June 16th, 2009
2:50 pm

Add a third aging sportswriter and call it “Lemon Party.”

andy

June 16th, 2009
3:05 pm

How about “One Up/ One Down” or “Shirts & Skins”

Paul H

June 16th, 2009
3:55 pm

Atlanta has a hockey team?

BrittishAnger

June 16th, 2009
4:48 pm

Call the articles “Flip of the Coin”, since it would likely cover the pros and cons of whatever topic you would be discussing, and one of you could always be a heads/tails kinda guy; either that or maybe you could talk to Tony Reali about using the old “Buy or Sell” routine….since it’s the same thing in a typed-format….

Bo

June 16th, 2009
5:08 pm

Jeff and Mark –

Good thing you didn’t launch Blogger Faceoff while Terence was still on staff. His wits were unconquerable. I checked out his NBA blogs on fanhouse.com. I was reminded of Elaine dancing (Seinfeld).

Can’t wait.

MrHughes

June 16th, 2009
5:26 pm

Back2back Homers

Jesse M

June 16th, 2009
5:30 pm

just a thought, but a name for your bradley-schultz thing

Two Guys, 1 Column

kinda inappropriate but funny

MrHughes

June 16th, 2009
5:42 pm

Or “The Home boys”

You people need to layoff Joe Johnson. Without him the offense goes back to being run through J”Clang” Smith. That happened the year we won 13 games. I’d rather not return to those days. Joe is the best thing to happen to this franchise since #21 and we’d be smart to hang on to one of the few valued All Stars/free agents that actually wanted to come here when we were figuratively swirling the bowl.

Lets hope Rick Sund gets Ty Lawson… Keep Marvin (proof that Woody is capable of developing players), Horford (you never get rid of a legit big man), resign AC and Solo on the cheap, Keep Zaza for $6.5 million per, bring back Flip, get JChill to come back home, and add a few quality pieces.

It’s amazing that people say fire Woody for a defensive minded coach. That’s what we have people. This is when we find out if Sund is any better than Billy “Blogger’s Scapegoat” Knight. I wish we had Mr Congenality back. I don’t care about how nice the GM is to Steak, Buck, The King and, you reporters. Build me a team that wins!!! He’s not a Reverend. I don’t need the GM at Hardees to be nice to me. I want a fluffy biscuit with hot eggs and sausage!!

Giuseppe

June 16th, 2009
5:55 pm

Jamal Anderson was at Eclipse De Luna at Perimeter on Sunday late into the night, drinking and hitting on girls. Now you know…

SthrnSrvy

June 16th, 2009
6:16 pm

Joe Johnson may lie low during the playoffs, and that is presumably due to the fact of ALL the attention he garners by the opposing defense. Sure, superstars make the shot, but if the Hawks can find somebody to complement Joe, maybe some stress can be relieved. Jeff, your hatred for JJ has been apparent for some time. Fact is, he’s still a hot commodity. And your love for Josh is ambiguous, due to the simplicity of his ignorant shot selections.

Tom Davis

June 16th, 2009
7:00 pm

Who cares about the CUP. Look at that piece of tail. Yes, please.

pcoleman

June 16th, 2009
9:01 pm

He Schultz … off the Mark

O'brien

June 16th, 2009
9:06 pm

Jeff,

How about calling it “He said, He said”.

willie

June 16th, 2009
11:00 pm

Just amazing how much junk Joe Johnson takes. There are only a few guys in the league that can score out of double-teams…the rest of them (like Joe) have to pass out of them. If the other guys can’t score once he passes, how is that Joe’s fault. Is he Kobe, Lebron, or Wade? Absolutely not….but he is a solid star and I can’t imagine the Hawks not giving him a max deal. It is nearly impossible to get good players to come here so please sign this guy!

Sadtoseeitthisway

June 17th, 2009
12:27 am

I hope Marian Hossa can get more than a one year contract with that babe. His uninspired effort in the playoffs was because he was looking forward to a short offseason with her. Who could blame him if that`s the case. I think I`ll scroll back and get one more look at that hottie.

Allbtme

June 17th, 2009
8:38 am

Well Ned I suspect people will stop mentioning the “Wreck with Heatly” as soon they stop mentioning “Dog fighting with Micheal Vick” at least Vick paid his dues to society and yet some people are still trying to crucify this man. Heatly was allowed to start FRESH…. and given a second chance after he recklessly, irresponsibly killed another human being.(Those actions sound quite the same as Vick with the dog fighting) Please know this response to your comment is not a racial tirade on how life is not fair.. But often times I read these blogs and I would be shame to claim any race…. Because on both sides wither your black or white we need each other in one capacity or another.. Have a Bless Day People

woody

June 17th, 2009
8:40 am

that woman is too damn skinny. looks like she is about to fall over in the breeze..should of known Hossa would likem that way

Wade

June 17th, 2009
8:59 am

I’d rather talk about Janka!