Vick may not be ready for what awaits him
Michael Vick looked grim when he began his prison sentence in November of 2007. Given circumstances, he may not look much better when he gets out. (AP photo.)
Sometime in the next few days, Michael Vick will step outside of prison walls and straight into hell.
He will have supporters. That’s fine. The man has paid his debt to society, slept on a cot in Leavenworth for several months and took a bigger hit to his status, his reputation and his income than possibly any athlete in history.
He will have detractors. That’s also fine. Because for as much as Vick has every right to resume his football career, you have every right not to like it. It’s why so many NFL executives are sitting alone in the dark today, weighing that risk-reward thing.
But Vick’s ability to return to football will be based on something far more impactful than the strength of his legs or arm. A New York Times story this week included a common but equally bizarre assumption: “Vick may still be better than half the quarterbacks on NFL rosters.”
If this were all about skill, Vick never would have been in jail to begin with.
This isn’t 2001, when he was embraced by a punch-drunk franchise in a lampooned sports city. This isn’t 2004 when he brought the Falcons to within a victory of the Super Bowl and was given a $130 million contract.
In 2009, Michael Vick is not a hero or a marketing centerpiece. He is an ex-felon and a marketing pariah.
He will be vilified by half the fans in the city he plays in and most fans everywhere else. He will have every move scrutinized by a public and media ready to pounce and mock and an NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, who didn’t like being lied to.
He will be in a locker room where most teammates will say the right thing, something like, “He’s served his time. If he can help us win, I support him.”
But those same players will then step outside and see the picket signs, the news crews, the elephants, the 17 clowns trying stuff themselves into a Volkswagen and maybe that same plane that two years ago circled the field at Falcons’ training camp with a banner reading: “New Team Name: Dog Killers.” And they will think, “I don’t need this. We don’t need this. I wish he was someplace else.”
The success of any pro athlete, particularly an NFL quarterback, is not fast legs or a strong arm. It’s all of those things Vick failed miserably at: leadership, work ethic, resolve, toughness, maturity, teamwork, character.
Michael Vick’s failure as a quarterback had very little to do with his passing accuracy. It had almost everything to do with the intangibles. Vick must come by them in the worst of circumstances. He must come by them when our last memory of him was looking feeble in a season-ending game at Philadelphia, accepting no responsibility for going 2-6 down the stretch and losing 14 of his last 24 starts. He once reacted to the pressure by giving the middle finger to fans at a home game. He all but threw his coach, Jim Mora, and teammates under the bus after that loss to the Eagles. Then he began his off-season with a suspicious water bottle at the Miami airport, was eventually let go by police and rather than breathe a thankful sigh of relief, he suggested maybe somebody was trying to frame him.
Leaders don’t do that. Any of that.
If Vick can return, if he can endure the taunts and grow up and flash any semblance of the magic he once showed us on a football field, this comeback story will top all others.
Unfortunately, the backdrop suggests otherwise. And at least in prison, there has been solitude.
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mars
May 17th, 2009
6:05 pm
It shall be interesting to watch. Will he become a professional, at last?
Sharkman
May 17th, 2009
6:16 pm
As Troy Aikman once put it, playing quarterback in the NFL is done above the shoulders. I am afraid Vick has problems with that part of the game.
Ryan Tribble
May 17th, 2009
6:18 pm
I hope that he can turn himself around, but I will never believe another word that man says until he proves he deserves otherwise. Great work Schultz.
DHD
May 17th, 2009
6:28 pm
Another article about Vick by the AJC. All of the AJC reporters have man crushes on him. Who cares?????
HawkDawg
May 17th, 2009
6:32 pm
Can’t we get more than a 7th round pick for him. Dallas would probably part with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He has to have some value. He is still fairly young and now he is humbled. I’d hate to see him turn his career around and the Falcons have to play him with our season on the line.
Greedy
May 17th, 2009
6:33 pm
You guys can pray for his downfall , but i have faith that the biggest redemption story is on the way. Psalms 121 , MV will play again and when he does all of us who cheered before will pound our chest with joy. Lets get ready to watch the lord guide this boy back to the good life. This story will inspire millions of youth and i know that drives him more than ever.
JD
May 17th, 2009
6:33 pm
Is that Bill Goldberg behind Vick’s right shoulder??
Lou
May 17th, 2009
6:36 pm
DHD..The phrase “Who cares?” always troubles me. It is a very arrogant statement on your part. The implication is you don’t care so no one else should. You have deemed the Michael Vick story non-news worthy, or you are tired of hearing about it. In your arrogance, you assume everyone else should feel the same way because the world obviously revolved around your opinion. The fact of the matter is he is the former number one pick in the NFL draft. At one point, he had hundreds of thousands of fans across this country. He played in this city. He let this city, his fans, his family, friends, and teammates down..and now he is about to get out of jail with a myriad of implications for the NFL and all of those fans…but your arrogance leads you too ask the question “Who cares?” Right or wrong…lots of people do. Just because you are not one of them doesn’t mean a sports columnist in the local newspaper shouldn’t address it. More people care about what may happen with Vick’s football career than care about your arrogance.
wxwax
May 17th, 2009
6:37 pm
I suspect that he still doesn’t get it.
I think that from the moment he realized he was in trouble, he has devoted his entire attention to finding ways to minimize the harm it could do him. I think his every act has been calculated, and not very intelligently, either.
I do not believe he has yet demonstrated any true remorse.
And I think that is why he will be blindsided by the reception he gets from fans. He’s still trying to find ways to beat “the man” when it’s not “the man” who matters. You can’t work an angle with the fans. They want to see something genuine.
I sometimes wonder if this gifted man is capable of being selfless or mature.
We shall see what effect a shunning has on his outlook. It’s a rare person who cares less about how others perceive him. Maybe he’ll change?
JD
May 17th, 2009
6:41 pm
All of the AJC reporters have man crushes on him.
Did you actually read the article, DHD?? That’s definitely not how I talk about my man-crushes.
Good article, Jeff. Me, I’m a very forgiving person. I see that Vick made a mistake in the past (huge mistake), he spent months in jail, and now he’s ready to move on. While I’ve never been involved in anything to the extent of dogfighting, I know I’ve done my share of stupid things and couldn’t wait to get it all behind me.
I hate the “I will never forgive you” viewpoint that most Americans seem to hold. But I guess Vick put himself in this little fiasco to begin with, so he can’t really blame anybody but himself.
Falcon Fan
May 17th, 2009
6:46 pm
I believe Michael Vick will turn his life around and I hope that he is given the opportunity to do so. Roger Goodell needs to calm down with the “I don’t like to be lied to sermon”. This is not the first time he has been lied too. Someone closer to him him than Michael Vick is probably lying to he as I post this. PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) have had their 15 minutes of fame off of Michael Vick, find you a new villian to ride and let this man move on with his life.
Former Season Ticket Holder
May 17th, 2009
6:48 pm
I’m sure the AJC will have a special edition in order to sell their pamphlet on Wed! LOL Of course all of the “we’re so glad he’s gone” crowd will be right there to buy it…and then they’ll complain in the Fall when the national sports outlets forget the Falcons exist while running on the heels of Mike Vick. Maybe Blank should try and put the wheels in motion to steer Vick to a team the Falcons have to play in the Dome…it would be nice to have at least ONE actual sold out game!
The “Hunt is on”!! And its been on and will be on until the opposing team in the Dome is the one MV is on! LOL Welcome back to 2000 Falcons!
Stephen
May 17th, 2009
6:51 pm
Great Article. Only time will tell as to what will be the final footnote on this whole fiasco.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
6:52 pm
Greedy,
Michael Vick can win 10 super bowls in a row as the starting quarterback and he will always be a dumb thug who was into dog fighting. You can pound your chest with joy all you want all it will be signifying is how stupid you are. I almost feel sorry for the guy and his brother because clearly he did not have good parents when he was coming up because both of them have grown into laughable excuses for men. He is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the human race and makes black people look bad. Although I don’t know which was worse Vick dog fighting, which was just one person, or all of the black people in Atlanta who came to his defense and acted like he was the second coming of Jesus? It was quite embarrassing as a black person to see this guy held up like some sort of idol.
Birdy
May 17th, 2009
6:52 pm
AJC = Obssessed with Vick and his future playing status.
Sharpening the blades still, I see.
Ryanreallyis#2
May 17th, 2009
6:53 pm
So the media is convinced of all of the so-called protests…like that huge protest they had at Flowery Branch back in 2007 (all of 20 people, that includes kids)…or how about the 50 people in front of the NFL offices in Manhatten…50 people in a city of 10 million….or maybe the 200 (including kids) in Virginia the day Vick pled? But there were 200 there to support him…so where is the evidence to suggest all these protestors? In the same place as the evidence that suggested all those PUMA people would disrupt and protest the Democratic National Convention? Is that where it is? Yeah…..media manipulation is really for the ignorant who believe in whatever talking points are being pimped to them for the day.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
6:53 pm
And also, I am an idiot.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
6:56 pm
Former season ticket holder,
Why don’t you go to the Falcons games? The Falcons are a much better team now than they were in Vick years and Matt Ryan is a much better quarterback. It’s funny how Roddy White and the rest of the receivers were awful when Vick was here but one year with Ryan and White is in the pro bowl and setting the franchise record for receiving yards. If you want a black quarterback to root for there are better ones in the league to pull for and if you want a black role model for your kids or yourself there are better ones that Vick right on the Falcons right now. I think some of you guys would blow Vick if given the chance and I can honestly say that I have never worshiped another human being like you people do.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
6:58 pm
Yeah I’m an idiot for thinking the people who worship this felon are pathetic. Keep living the good life worshiping a thug. I’m sure you blame the white man for keeping you down too.
Matt's My QB
May 17th, 2009
7:04 pm
Lou that was a great take on arrogance. I too would like to see him successful, but I’d rather see him mature and develope as a better human being. Just like the other supporters, I want to see the guy do all the things we’ve imagine. He’s a remarkable athelete, he could truly be unstoppable. Sometimes heros have to deal with adveristy to reach their full potential as MEN.
DHD
May 17th, 2009
7:04 pm
The proof of the man crush is not in the content of the article, it is the fact that a week doesn’t go by but what they write another article about Vick. It is as bad as ESPN reporting A-Rod and Manny every day. Find something else to write about.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
7:05 pm
I am a white man and I am an idiot. They aren’t usually mutally exclusive.
scottbravesfan
May 17th, 2009
7:07 pm
Here’s hoping the AJC has to lay off another 200 (if that many are left) employees….let the demise be slow. Its down to a newsletter now…I’m sure the hope is that they can capitalize off Vick for a good year, but hopefully he can’t carry them any longer and they slowly go down the tubes.
Whooper Dawg
May 17th, 2009
7:08 pm
I disagree that he has a right to play NFL football. He was right to seek employment and employers have the right to hire him or not. And this is not specific only to Vick, there are many NFL players that should be in the league because of conduct issues. But I have made that point in your columns before.
I don’t think that Vick is a better QB than half the NFL starters, I think he is not better than many of them maybe none. Jeff, you are right, he was none of the intangibles. He can’t read defenses and has absolutely no touch. He does have a very strong arm and can run like the wind. But quality NFL QB, I don’t think so.
Falcon Fan
May 17th, 2009
7:08 pm
Scottbravefan,
Your post infuriated me when I first read it, then I looked at your name, “Scottbravefan”. That right there let me know what an idiot you really are. First stop portraying yourself as being Black because you are not. No one is idolizing Michael Vick, but some people believe in second chances. If do not like Michael Vick and that’s certainly your right, then do so. But you can keep all of the racist overtones, because you, along with me, know nothing about this mans upbringing/family life. You are the typical keyboard racist, whom enjoys spitting these vial words in cyberspace, but if you were standing in Vick’s face you would have lockjaw. By the way, you are probably one of those braves fans that think Bobby Cox is the best thing since sliced bread. The Braves will never be contenders again until they get rid of Cox. The game has long past him by.
Kenneth
May 17th, 2009
7:11 pm
It is so interesting to me that so many people continue treat Michael Vick as if he committed the unpardonable sin or something. The man has paid for his crime and deserved another shot at whatever he is able to get for his God given talents. It is my humble opinion, that there is little difference between fighting dogs and hunting defenseless animals for sport which is legal entertainment in most every state. And don’t give me this crap about some animals being in a special catagory because this is all man made opinions. To me it is nothing but hypocrisy of the highest order but that’s just my view. Michael Vick committed the crime and did the time . Why is this man being treated this way I wonder ? It seems to me that people want him to suffer for the rest of his life while there are thousands of people in high places who have gotten away with all kinds crimes that are worst than dog fighting, but have never been prosecuted because of who they know or how much money they have. To me,let the man alone and so he can get on with whatever he make out of the rest of his life. What if God judged each one of us , the same way we are judging Michael Vick?
Jonny Levin
May 17th, 2009
7:18 pm
Muhammad Ali was a great boxer, he was put in jail for three and a half years and when he came out he became the champion of the world again. Mike Tyson did the same. Hopefully Michael Vick can come out of jail and achieve similar success.
Jeff Schultz
May 17th, 2009
7:19 pm
FIRST A DISCLAIMER: I’ve already had to delete some objectional comments that cross over the line in either racism or something else. I will continue to do so. Please try to keep your comments/debate out of the gutter. Thanx. JS
Sharkman: As Aikman, like Montana, did it more with his brain than physical gifts, it’s understandable that he would say that.
Ryan: Thanks.
DHD: If you can’t realize the magnitude of the Vick story, there’s something wrong.
HawkDawg: I would SHOCKED if the Falcons got a 2 or a 3. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up having to release him. The number of teams in the market for MV will be minimal, so that hurts trade possibilities.
Lou: Yeah. What you said.
JD: Thanks. Good comments also.
(I’m being summoned to the dinner table — I’ll be right back.)
BigMike
May 17th, 2009
7:20 pm
T’Challa, You, like so many stupid people in this media driven liberal society, chose to want to keep this young man in bondage. Why? Will you or any of the hateful people who continue to want to hold this man down achieve anything from it more than self gratitude? Michael Vick is a comodity to the NFL, and they will try to profit from his return. MLB did it with the HR derby, the NBA with it’s thug of the week tatoo club, and the NFL will look at it from a business perspective. The AJC keeps this going because it sells papers and people are driven by this article. MV welcome back to the league, just like MT did in boxing. Make your money, and let the haters live in there depressive little world. Remember all you pitbull lovers, these are the same dogs that take more lives per year than any other dog.As for you T’Challa get a life, and stop hating on something you could never be. P.S. before you respond, truthfully I played 2 years in the league so don’t think I don’t know the game, or can’t play on that level.
DHD
May 17th, 2009
7:22 pm
I realize the magnitude of each of the 4,356 stories you have run about Vick. Each story is HUGE. I am waiting on a new Vick story to pop up any time now.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 17th, 2009
7:24 pm
Is there an eye-rolling emoticon?
Vick’s supposed “failure” as an NFL quarterback — only he would be characterized as a failure after winning nearly 60% of his games and making three Pro Bowls — were entirely related to coaching. All the moves the Falcons made to make Matt Ryan’s transition from college to the pros easier — spending a first round pick on an offensive tackle, acquiring a short-yardage running back, instituting a scheme that allows him to build rhythm and timing with his receivers — are the moves they failed to make for Vick. The Falcons were a one-man team by design when Vick was the QB here. Hopefully whatever team he goes to doesn’t make the same mistake.
As far as the animal-lover protesters… I think you’ll be surprised how many of them fade off into oblivion after Vick’s first highlight-reel TD.
His biggest obstacle, by far, is whether or not Roger Goodell chooses to reinstate him.
The guy has suffered far more than anyone should in the United States of America for killing animals. Count me among the ones hoping he succeeds in his return to football.
Tommy
May 17th, 2009
7:28 pm
The best thing that ever happen to the Falcons is when MV got caught. They are a better “team” without him. Author Blank, Atlanta, and the world fell in love with the guy who kept us on the edge of our seats playing QB named Mike Vick. Will he do it again? Probably, the guy has a gift to run and throw. Did he make poor / dumb choices ….. VERY. Did Ray Lewis kill those people and get away with it? You answer. Yes people will yell and scream at him until he wins a few games. If he were to go to Raiders or Vikings and the start winning all would be forgiven. In sports it is about winning … that is all. Look at Baseball and A-Rod, Bonds, Manny, Poppi, and the list goes on and on.
We forgive our heros when the win. Vick will be the same way ….
HawkDawg
May 17th, 2009
7:28 pm
I wish him the best of luck…..only if it is in the AFC! He has had a lot of time to think and I would imagine that he will quite motivated when he comes back. Never underestimate human nature.
Matt
May 17th, 2009
7:33 pm
The same people that support Mike Vick blindly are the same people that supported O.J. blindly. If the NFL lets him back it, which I believe they will eventually do, and a team wants to give him a chance, then he deserves to get a chance. It was never a good QB to begin with. He made some great plays, but he is not smart and not a leader, and those are two essentials to be a great QB. That’s why Jeff George was always an underachiever. He had great abilities but was terrible above the shoulders. Same with Vick.
Barney Strickland
May 17th, 2009
7:35 pm
I swore I would never watch/support the Falcons as long as this monster was part of their game plan. Anyway, just wait until this dog killing scum gets his first taste of opposing NFL fans in cities throughout the league. Funny thing though, I decided the last year he played, he just didn’t have the ability to deliver us a championship. Now, I’m just glad he’s not going to be our problem any longer. Tarring and feathering would be too good for him but a nice start regardless. Good riddance to Ron Mexico…….. the bum that he is !!!!
country boy
May 17th, 2009
7:46 pm
Let’s take that 7th round draft choice and get rid of this cancer. Let the Vick saga play out in Dallas or somewhere else. End this sad story. Our Falcons – the white ones, brown ones and black ones are moving in the right direction.
bravesfan54
May 17th, 2009
7:46 pm
I have no “should” in this fight. I am the president of a large county Humane Society (I don’t – let’s be clear- speak for it in this instance).
Here are my thoughts: Michael Vick has every legal right to play professional football once the Commissioner of the NFL lifts its suspension. Michael Vick has every legal right to play football. Each and every owner of an NFL club (with due allowance for existing rights) has the right to seek to employ the services of Michael Vick. EVERY sports fan, and every other citizen has the right to protest the employment of this man in any capacity.
It is not “should he be hired by any team?” – the answer to which is “They have everly a right to!”). It is not how should the public react?- the answer is: they have a right to how they damn well feel!).
Of course, if the question is does he have a right to play professional football, the obvious answer is “yes, when the league suspension ends”.
So, should the league suspension end? I say yes, but only because I have no objective way of determining when he has paid the “full” price. He paid the price the law required, and commissioner has a “vague” criterion that amounts to ‘when I think he is sorry enough’! I don’t like like this at all.
I personally think that Michael Vick’s conduct should disqualify him for life. What I don’t like is the “sackcloth and ashes” approach of the NFL. (Those of you with backgrounds in history will understand that the consequence (ok, perhaps self-imposed) for King Henry’s assasination of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas a’ Becket, was that the king must kneell for four days seeking forgiveness. (History buffs, note, this was the short versions!)
I would not require Michael Vick to spend four days on his knees, in sackcloth. I would only recommend it, and then I would be done with it!
Bobby
May 17th, 2009
7:46 pm
It’s his arrogance that gets me. The day he went for his sentencing he bought a $100,000 car on his debit card. I have no sympathy for Vick. I hope he never plays in the NFL. He has had his chances. All he has done is lie, lie and tell more lies. I doubt he can even spell words such as “honesty”, “morals”, “ethics”.
JAYBO
May 17th, 2009
7:54 pm
I see many people still do’t get it…the man didnt kill a human..he fought dogs and killed dogs….who cares??? My only problem with it is it is illigeal…let it go folks…peta need 2 go sit down somewhere…trying 2 throw some weight around! Leave Vick alone and let him resume his career!! I don’t care what yawl say a dog is a dog and I’m not about 2 equate their lives with human life…even when humans kill other humans they get a second chance! whats wrong with us people…are we that sick in america….we can give people a chance 2 resume their lives when they kill another human, but we don’t want 2 give a human another chance when he kills a dog…listen at that now…a dog!!!! We are more messed up in this country than I thought!!!
haleydawg
May 17th, 2009
7:55 pm
i would rather read about vick than brett farve, i hope he gets billions from minn and they drop out of pro football, they have no clue
haleydawg
May 17th, 2009
7:56 pm
he as in frave
Jeff Schultz
May 17th, 2009
7:56 pm
Falcon Fan: Oh, is that what PETA stands for? Didn’t realize that. I’m in!
Ryanreallyis#2: Were you at any of the protests? Because I was, and all had more than 20.
DHD: Can’t speak for others but it’s been a while since I devoted an entire column to Vick.
Whooper Dawg: “I disagree that he has a right to play NFL football. He was right to seek employment and employers have the right to hire him or not.” I think when most people say the first thing, they mean the second thing.
Najeh: I’m not going to disagree with you that a lot of the Falcons’ decline was partly due to the coaching of Jim Mora (and his staff) and some personnel issues. But that doesn’t preclude the way Vick handled situations or excuse his lack of growth in adverse circumstances.
Jeff Schultz
May 17th, 2009
7:59 pm
Lynn — if you can’t get though a post without bringing race into it, that’s on you, not me.
Others– I’ve deleted about a dozen comments now. (I may have dropped a couple accidentally, so if I obliterated yours, my apologies and you can re-post). Again, I don’t take this lightly. Debate all you want, but if you can’t keep this civil I’ll simply close the comments section. It’s up to you.
Tee Man
May 17th, 2009
8:03 pm
You guys kill me, The 1st guy that never made a mistake in life throw the first stone…Where’s the flag for unnecessary roughness, The man has lost is livelihood, been publicly humiliated and went to prision. He has paid his debt to society. Now Rodger wansts him to kiss the pinky ring and his a##, for a chance to ge back into the league. PETA can wait for another opportunity to kick him while he down and oh yea cash in on the free publicity. Now you tell me who getting the inhumane treatment.
Ryanreallyis#2
May 17th, 2009
8:03 pm
Jeff you’re blatantly lying. Seriously, where you wearing your glasses? What protest at Flowery Branch had more than 20 adults? Yeah I was there – not even a relevant number. There weren’t in any city. I have the photos to prove it.
VICK SUPPORTER 2
May 17th, 2009
8:05 pm
MAY 20: “THE DAY THE SPORTS WORLD STOOD STILL”
SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF NERVOUS HATERS ON THIS BLOG
GO FALCONS!
Kenny
May 17th, 2009
8:17 pm
It is precisely because dogs are helpless domesticated animals that Vick’s reputation is in tatters. Even if he had not spent a single day in jail, most people saw the cruelty of what he did and were shocked. It’s easy to take advantage of the helpless. Most violence is pepetrated in this way particularly I would say humans against humans. Our capacity to be cruel and vicious is well documented. We humans are God’s creatures and we are meant to be their caretakers (wild animals and the fishes of the sea fall into this category too now because of human action) and many see Vick’s abuse of animals as heartless and disturbing. We are called to something higher I believe. Now Vick is called more than most. I think he has a chance to redeem himself and he can do it with some public and from the heart amends with regard to domesticated animals. He needs to make some tangible amends and over a long period of time. I hate what he did and I hope he will realize he has a chance to achieve some real good with his soon to be long hard path back to society. Godspeed with hope!
Todd
May 17th, 2009
8:24 pm
Falcon Fans don’t worry, the management will NEVER let Vick QB again; they never wanted him to QB even though he was the best. ZThis time they do ot have to lie the way they did to DJ Shockley (saying all QB’s will start a pre-season game).
AS for PETA, why does this country contimue to be held hostage for such a stupid group. Perhaps Vick should have just been involved with killing a black man, he would have just received a suspended sentence and would be back in football. The only people wo care aout dogs are dog owners. They simply are not human; not that I believe anyone should just abuse them, but this whole thing is just blown way too big. Meanwile Matt Jones who played for Jacksonville traffic cocaine and was allow to play in the league PENDING the disposition of the case, until a technical violation of the pretrial release.
If this arrogant commissioner does reinstate Vick, I hope he cream the Falcons if he play against them. I am a Falcon Fan, but I wish him much success.
jethro bodine
May 17th, 2009
8:24 pm
MV is one of the most physically talented athletes to come along in a long time. Trouble is, the man just ain’t got a brain and that’s something that he can’t rise above.
Derrick
May 17th, 2009
8:25 pm
I am just looking forward to this season, Last season was alot of fun.
I wish Vick alot of luck but we have a new QB now, and good things are to come.
Old school fan
May 17th, 2009
8:27 pm
I was convicted of a felony that I didn’t even know I committed (leaving the scene of an accident involving injury) until I was presented with the evidence. I thought I had clipped a construction barrel. Turns out I hit a mentally ill woman who had a history of jumping in front of cars. It is now almost impossible for me to find a lucrative job in a field I am very good at. I am an excellent millwright/industrial mechanic and I am being denied employment because of this felony. Why should Vick be any different? I seek an honest answer. I doubt I will get one.
Jenny
May 17th, 2009
8:40 pm
I think that what Vick did is horrific and that his sentence should have been harsher, but the justice system disagreed. He served his time…
I personally will CHOOSE not to watch him play football, which is, of course, my choice. I will CHOOSE to turn off the television if/when he is on the football field, but I will not CHOOSE to bash or ostracize anyone else for a choice different from mine.
If any of you think that this crime or worse crimes aren’t still going on in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc., you are very naive. The difference is that Vick got caught and the others haven’t. In a perfect world none of this atrocity would exist, but we aren’t a perfect people and bad things are done by people every day. Please understand, I am not making light of what he did, but I am human and imperfect, and therefore willing to forgive. However, forgetting is far harder and will take a lot of time. Again, I think what he did was horrific and it completely breaks my heart, but I am not perfect and have done stupid things in my life that I regret. I have no right to judge anyone else.
I for one certainly hope Vick turns himself around and gets his life together, and in doing so, helps someone else who may be heading down the road he did.
Barry Jay
May 17th, 2009
8:42 pm
I think Vick deserves a chance…one chance…to play in the NFL again. I believe the protesters will fade only after he shows true remorse. A news conference and a apology is not enough. He will need to donate a portion of his salary to promote animal welfare. Also, saying the right things about the egregiousness of his behavior will be necessary. Finally, volunteering at an animal shelter would help as well. There are other ways to show remorse…but these would, I think, demonstrate it well.
As for the Falcons getting a draft pick for him, if he pledged a percentage of his salary and started volunteering before signing with a team, the protests may be minimal and perhaps his value would increase.
Frankly, I think the Falcons have put themselves at a disadvantage by saying they would definitely release him. Why should teams give anything knowing we are going to cut him loose? They are too afraid of what Vick will bring in bad PR. They’ll wait until signing him will cost them as little as possible. If the Falcons invite him to camp, however, the teams that secretly want him might get anxious, especially if the circus atmosphere is minimized.
falcon21
May 17th, 2009
8:42 pm
If Vick makes it big in the NFL then good for Vick, if he does not then so be it. He is as human as we are and we will see if he learns from his mistakes. Let it go.
Larry
May 17th, 2009
8:48 pm
Ability can take you to the top–integrity can keep you there.
maddog
May 17th, 2009
8:49 pm
I really get tired of reading,they were just dogs,and its not just the dog fighting, its all the other things he did. I love football,but this took away from the game.It was always somethig new ,he disrupted the team,it was always about him. I think that he should stay suspended until next year. He served time in prison because he had to. Give it a year then review and see what he has done on hi own, if he shows true remorse , then let him play, but not this year.
Larry
May 17th, 2009
8:50 pm
Barry,
ANyone with more than a double digit IQ must know the Falcons will NEVER invite Vick to training camp! LOL!
Trill
May 17th, 2009
8:51 pm
the only person in federal prison for dog fighting.enough said…As for the lieing to Godell,Vick didnt lie.Are you fighting dogs Mr Vick. no im not..all the charges were conspiricy charge.read the indictment..lets not forget the closed congressional session to strengthen the dog fighting laws.(thats a secret).
Barry Jay
May 17th, 2009
8:51 pm
Todd,
No creature deserves to be tortured, neglected, or abused. The callousness you show in talking about dogs is one reason PETA exists. I have lived with dogs and cats all my life. They function on the same level as small children. They have emotions and are deeply connected to loving, caring humans. You show your ignorance of dogs when you talk the way you did.
Vick should get a chance. I would even give him one with the Falcons (though not as a QB). It is wrong for anyone, including PETA, to continue to persecute him after he paid his debt to society. However, don’t comment on the lives of animals of which you don’t seem to have any understanding.
crabapplejoe
May 17th, 2009
8:52 pm
Todd wrote: “Meanwile Matt Jones who played for Jacksonville traffic cocaine and was allow to play in the league PENDING the disposition of the case, until a technical violation of the pretrial release.”
Try to have some clue about what you are talking about before wasting everyone’s time by posting. Matt Jones was not charged with “traffiking” cocaine…it was simple possession. He was suspended for several games last year by the NFL. He apparently violated a pre-tial release order on the simple possession charge by drinking a beer while playing golf. He admitted this to a judge and the Jaguars released him. Pleez.
VICK SUPPORTER 2
May 17th, 2009
8:52 pm
I WONDER HOW MATT RYAN “LEAF” WILL BE JUDGED IF THE FALCONS DON’T MAKE OR WIN A PLAYOFF GAME THIS SEASON.
WILL IT BE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO RECEIVERS?
THERE WERE NO GOOD TIGHT ENDS?
THE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS BAD?
POOR COACHING?
BAD GM?
WILL IT CONTINUE TO BE EVERYONE ELSE’S FAULT?
WILL HE BE A HERO EVEN WITH NO PLAYOFF WINS?
WILL HE BE THE BUST LIVING OFF OF R. WHITE & M. TURNER?
I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.
Tom Glavine
May 17th, 2009
8:55 pm
Mike Vick, Vince Young, Kordell Stewart are all exhibit A as to why being a quarterback is more mental than physical. They were all lousy QB’s but great athletes
Barry Jay
May 17th, 2009
8:55 pm
Larry,
Obviously, you are not one who should comment on the IQ of anyone else.
I never said the Falcons will invite Vick to camp. I think they made a mistake by telling everyone they would release him. They did that way too early. I would invite him to camp and if we had a problem, I’d then release him. That is the only way we’ll get anything for him.
Larry, you are really funny talking about the IQ of others.
Ryanreallyis#2
May 17th, 2009
8:59 pm
And Jeff, its folks like Barry Jay that make it clear that the majority were certainly NOT bashing Mike Vick because of the charges. No, PETA and the fradulent HSUS were able to capitalize on a situation because most who were hollering over the internet and airwaves about Mike Vick were doing so for reasons which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the charges. Only the truly insane will equate a dog or cat with a CHILD. No, be honest Jeff…most people were just hollering because, due to the neo-con sports media, Mike Vick was and continues to be, the most “polarizing” athlete in the 21st century….which is more a commentary on those who are “polarized”…certainly not Mike Vick.
Barry Jay, when people no longer want their dog or cat, they are free to drop it off at a shelter and ride on…where after a few days, that dog or cat is ash. So no…a dog or cat is NOT a small child in the United States of America…or anywhere else on EARTH.
tracy
May 17th, 2009
9:01 pm
what is the difference with what mv did and hunting. It is all the same to me. I have a coworker who wrote blank a letter and protested against vick but have never been to a game in all her 53 yrs. She is an animal lover. Never contributed money to a sporting event. People like her are the ones complaining the loudest. Oh and by the way he didnt handle the dogs himself i say let him play
Doggit
May 17th, 2009
9:02 pm
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
I wish Vick the best. What he did was pretty disturbing. If you still don’t think dog-fighting is not a big deal, please try to poke you head up out of the area you live in a look around. Aside from Korea, most of the world loves their dogs. Anyway, I wish him the best. Please just stay the hell away from the Falcons.
Barry Jay
May 17th, 2009
9:09 pm
Ryanrealist;
I never equated a dog or cat with a child. I said: “They function on the same level as small children. They have emotions and are deeply connected to loving, caring humans.” I never said they have the same rights or are viewed in the same as a child.
You make me sick. It is people like you who fail to see animals as more than throw away posessions that allow dogfighting and other abuses of creation to occur. If people like you were just a tiny bit more sensitive to others, then you wouldn’t be talking about PETA and the HSUS at all. They wouldn’t exist. Just because you can’t understand what I’m talking about doesn’t mean the issue is not real. People didn’t understand racism or sexism at one time either.
Mike Vick will, I hope, get a chance. That is more than he gave the dogs he allowed to be tortured and fought. I guess that proves your point, though. And it proves mine.
As for the “charges”…that was never anyone’s problem with Vick. Where have you been?
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MikeDogforLife
May 17th, 2009
9:09 pm
I wonder do all of you fans who criticize Mike Vick, for making a mistake and trying to recover; have ever made a mistake and hope someone forgave you for it. None of you know what he went through, or what he is going through right now. Get over it. We’re all are football fans. He has paid his debt now it’s up to the Commish to either let him work or find a gig elsewhere. Stop talking about he’s a thug and what he spent his money on. Grow up or stop watching football. This is life things happen and we we move on. FREE MIKE VICK!!!!!!! Dog Lovers of America.
Sunshine
May 17th, 2009
9:13 pm
Ughh, some of you folks with this mentality that its just dogs? You make me sick!
Jeff Schultz
May 17th, 2009
9:15 pm
Ryanreally: Vick was polarizing before dog-fighting. Dog-fighting didn’t make him polarizing. And the media didn’t make him polarizing. A subject is either polarizing or it isn’t.
Tracy: I can give you one big difference: One is legal, one isn’t. But I really don’t want to make this comments section a referendum on dog-fighting.
eddiedawg
May 17th, 2009
9:27 pm
VS2 you kill me. I seem to recall this town blaming some of last season on the “rookie wall” Ryan hit after game 12. He also threw a terrible pick in the playoffs which may have cost us the game. He is not above blame because he is white. He is, however, a LEADER which is something your hero Vick never was or will be.
As Blank says-we (the Falcons organization) has turned the page, chapter and closed the book on the Mike Vick era. Can’t you sycophants do the same??
GO FALCONS
26belly
May 17th, 2009
9:27 pm
I don’t remember Michael Vick giving an Iversonesque interview…”We talking about practice!” I don’t recollect Michael Vick pimp-slapping a strip club dancer or beating one senseless. I’ve never heard of (he may have but…I never did) Michael Vick running three or four white women while his girlfriend was pregnant. I don’t remember him killing a human being. Of course there was an allegation about a burning incident, ie. STD. Yes, there was the incident when the gave the fans the finger, but what Atlanta athlete hasn’t wanted to do that to our fair-weathered fan base. The rage that continues to be expressed in the ATL in regards to Michael Vick is a modern day electronic Leo Frank lynching! I dare anyone on this site to sashay down to Columbia, SC and tell them to change their mascot from the Gamecock! I dare you to venture to Oklahoma and attempt to raid a cockfighting match. Better yet, I don’t see the FBI sniffing around East LA (Lower Alabama: Russell Co.) trying to raid the cockfights and dogfights down here!!!
Hopefully, Michael Vick signs a contract in the Canadian Football League and leaves the NFL to history!
OldTimer
May 17th, 2009
9:28 pm
I think the Raiders will take him and I think he’ll do well. Oakland’s standards (including the fans) are different than the rest of us. I can’t really see him anywhere else.
D.Carter
May 17th, 2009
9:29 pm
The thing that bothers me most about the Vick thing is this.. the same people who call his crimes the worst they have ever seen are the same people who sit in trees and shoot deer in the name of sport….. And the whole thing with people saying that Vick wasnt and isnt a good to decent QB are just not being realistic with themselves when hailng Matt Ryan as the next Peyton or Tom Brady..
Truth be told Vick has playoff vicktories under his belt and an appearence in the NFC title game…
with very little talent surrounding him!!!! Until (god) excuse me Matt Ryan wins a playoff game save your second coming talk…. This is the same dude who was getting his snap count jumped everyplay against Arizona…
Mike Vick indeed was his own worst enemy and was and still is paying a hefty price for his sins and mistakes.. but a lot of these people equate his mistakes to his play.. we need to be a little more realistic and separate his off the field troubles from what he brought to this city………
How many of you same people who call Vick a thug and goon get behind the wheel of a car while impaired by drugs or alcohol
or have hit a woman… truth be told you are also a thug and unintelligent…. understand the difference and let the man rebuild his life in whatever matter he sees fit……The HYPOCRISY
Ryanreallyis#2
May 17th, 2009
9:31 pm
Jeff, if you read my comment with comprehension you will see that I reference that he was considered “polarizing” prior to the dogfighting issue…and please, how did Mike Vick create the “polarization” of himself? He created a campaign of polarization to the masses? You can play the “duh, what do you mean?” game all you want too. His “polarizing” moniker definitely is not one that he bought on himself unless not looking like a 1950s All-American boy from the heartland is his own fault.
Falcon Fan
May 17th, 2009
9:33 pm
The South was built on cockfighting. Cockfighting in going on right now as we speak. Where are PETA and the other animal rights crowds. I do not hear any uproar on this issue.
eddiedawg
May 17th, 2009
9:36 pm
Gosh I enjoy hunting. Guess I should go to turn myself into Leavenworth. Oh wait-I don’t have to because IT’S LEGAL YOU IDIOTS.
Dawgone
May 17th, 2009
9:37 pm
I think people should relax when it comes to MV being reinstated. First of all what the hell is showing true remorse? MY should not have to do anything but serve his time like all former felons. No crying on TV for an apology or donating his salary. To the PETA people get over yourself who the hell are you its over now go protest dog races down in Shorter Alabama. Yeah when one of the dogs breaks a leg in a race they kill them too. Now I will say the falcons are better without MV. They now have a complete team. But I assure you that no one in the Falcons organization wants to play against Vick. So to all the haters you will see MV playing again wether you like or not. Consider yourselves warned!
cdog
May 17th, 2009
9:39 pm
I SAY GIVE MIKE VICK ANOTHER CHANCE. REMEMBER WE GOT ANOTHER CHANCE FOR HOPE WHEN JESUS PAID FOR OUR SINS ON THE CROSS.LETS NOT BE QUICK TO JUDGE. JUDGE YE NOT THAT YE BE JUDGED. I DON’T LIKE KILLING ANYTHING.THOU SHALL NOT KILL. BUT I THINK HE PAID FOR HIS CRIME. HE’S A HUMAN BEING WHO IS ASKING FOR A SECOND CHANCE. ANIMALS WRE INVOLVED AND NOT HUMANS. SOME OF US GO OVER BOARD ABOUT AN ANIMAL SOMETIMES WHICH IS CRAZY. SOME OF US TREAT HUMANS WORST THAN ANIMALS WHO ARE NOTHING BUT DUMB ANIMALS. GIVE THE MAN ANOTHER CHANCE TO MAKE A LIVING. THE FALCONS WILL BE FOOLISH TO LET VICK GO. REMEMBER, VENGEANCE IS MINE SAITH THE LORD. WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE OR TAKE VENGEANCE UPON OURSELVES AGAINST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
Boo Boo
May 17th, 2009
9:41 pm
What is amazing to me is the attitude, “He’s paid his dues, now he has a RIGHT to renew his NFL career.” What right? Does a convicted sex offender have a right to return to being seen as a normal person, blending into a society that assumes everyone else is not sexually perverted? No. They have to register as sex offenders and most have to search for some place to live. Does a convicted felon have the right to leave prison and vote in a presidential election? Not most places. Does an employee of Home Depot, who get convicted of running a cock fighting ring in Monroe have the right to just call up the HD on his release and ask, “When do I return to work?” It doesn’t happen that way. Why is Mike Vick special? He’s not. He is just another convicted felon who needs to have people care for his wellbeing for his survival. If he gets that, in 20 years maybe he can realize what he did wrong. If he gets the RIGHT to make millions of dollars, simply because he can run fast and made millions of dollars before, its like coming back from a bad injury. No lessons to be learned from that, other than not to get injured again. In dog killer language, that means the lesson of not getting caught the next time.
cdog
May 17th, 2009
9:45 pm
REMEMBER FALCONS, TREAT SOMEONE WRONG IT WILL COME BACK ON YOU. GIVE VICK ANOTHER CHANCE, THINK ABOUT A TEAM WITH TWO DYNAMIC QUARTERBACKS IN IN RYAN AND VICK. WITH THE OFFENSIVE WEAPONS WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE COULD STOP US? DON’T LISTEN TO OTHER WHO IS PREACHING HATE TOWARD THEIR FELLOW MAN.BRING VICK BACK
mrdonut
May 17th, 2009
9:47 pm
I thought he was going into the construction business?
Old school fan
May 17th, 2009
9:48 pm
One question, did MV eat the dogs? That’s my excuse. WhAT IS MIKE’S?Come up with some more illogic dumba@#
Boo Boo
May 17th, 2009
9:49 pm
I did too.
Joe Schmoe
May 17th, 2009
9:51 pm
CDOG, treating someone wrong? Like, oh lets say funding a dog fighting ring, and letting all your team mates down in the process? Really? In the end Vick will be back in the league if he still has something in the tank. Obviously, it will not be with the Matt Ryan led Falcons. Good luck to him wherever, just not the ATL.
FreeMikeVick
May 17th, 2009
9:55 pm
Atlanta turned their back on Vick, so why should he want to come back here?
Jay
May 17th, 2009
9:56 pm
Mike Vick was wrong in what he did and has paid the price. Everyone has moved on since then. The point is that he should be allowed to earn a living (whether in the NFL or somewhere else). The market will determine if he will make a comeback in the NFL and if my hunch is correct, he will do so. Reality is that he will not be the first ex-prisoner to get back in sports (Mav Albert is still running commentaries today!!).
michaelgee
May 17th, 2009
9:56 pm
How soon can we expect Vick to be off the roster?
VICK SUPPORTER 2
May 17th, 2009
9:56 pm
JOE FLACCO = 2-PLAYOFF WINS & 1-CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
MIKE VICK = 2-PLAYOFF WINS & 1-CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
MATT RYAN “LEAF” = 0-PLAYOFF WINS & 0-CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES
YEAH THAT’S AN INTELLIGENT LEADER
GO FALCONS!
GO LEAF!
Jeff Schultz
May 17th, 2009
9:58 pm
MichaelGee: I’d be surprised if Vick is still on the roster when training camp starts. But can’t say for certain.
VICK SUPPORTER 2
May 17th, 2009
10:00 pm
MATT RYAN = NO CRIMINAL
MICHAEL VICK = CRIMINAL
Terrible Truth
May 17th, 2009
10:03 pm
If we are stuck with him as a Falcons employee, Vick should be put to work. Let him pick up jocks and dirty towels off the locker room floor. He couldn’t pick up an offense or read a defense worth a fat baby’s butt, maybe he can operate a commercial washing machine.
VICK SUPPORTER 2
May 17th, 2009
10:05 pm
“FOOD FOR THOUGHT” – FOR DOG LOVERS
DURING THE 1ST GULF WAR WHILE SERVING ONBOARD THE U.S.S. DULUTH, WE HAD R.O.C. (KOREAN) MARINES ONBOARD IN ONE OF THE BIRTHINGS ON THE SHIP. IN THEIR BIRTHING, THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY LIKED.
WELL THEIR WAS BARKING COMING FROM THEIR AREA. THIS WENT ON FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BARKING STOPPED. WHEN THE KOREANS LEFT THE SHIP, A DOG’S HEAD WAS FOUND IN THE GARBAGE CAN. I THINK YOU KNOW THE END OF THIS STORY.
THE NAVY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT WAS LIKE RAISING A PIG OR CHICKEN. ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE DOG FIGHTING A BIG DEAL. AT LEAST THEY GET TO LIVE IF THEY WIN – IN KOREA THEY MAKE THE BUFFET
WHOEVER SIGNS MIKE VICK WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR – COUNT ON IT!
BARK AT THAT
Dawgone
May 17th, 2009
10:06 pm
Old school did you eat it Idiot. Who cares he paid is debt. Let the man move on whether it be construction, football or God forbid hunting. Maybe you and him can exchange some hunting secrets then would you like him again.
Ted Striker
May 17th, 2009
10:06 pm
1) In the eyes of the NFL, Michael Vick’s greatest sin was lying. Nearly 50 players on rosters were charged with everything from manslaughter (Grant, Charles; Stallworth, Dante) to assault or battery (Johnson, Larry; Boley, Michael, among others) or drug possession, DUI, etc (see Tunnel, Carpal — if I type all the names) in the last 12 calendar months.
2) The character of some — not all — of Michael Vick’s critics (mainly mayonnaise sandwich eating bambi blasters) in these forums is probably not much worse than some of the guys behind bars. The folks in jail have been convicted of crimes but at least they’re not holier than thou types (you know who you are), always wanting to cast the 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th stone.
3) I’d rather go to war with the Dirty Dozen than you judas types.
Boots
May 17th, 2009
10:07 pm
A quarterback should get better over time. As he gains more experience he should improve. That never happened with Vick.
As a matter of fact, he reached the apex of his career early and went downhill — never mastering the intellectual part of the game. He’s a terrific athlete; but a middling quarterback.
Jack G.
May 17th, 2009
10:09 pm
Vick’s actions were reprehensible—-Vick entered a guilty plea.—Vick did his time—Vick paid his debt.
He is now even with the board—-Leave him alone and let him salvage what he can from his interrupted Life.
Like everyone else he diserves a 2nd chance. Lets just sit back and see what he makes of a 2nd chance.
eddiedawg
May 17th, 2009
10:10 pm
VS2 keep blogging-your idiocy is shining through.
MATT RYAN= ROOKIE, with 11 wins, Vick only had 9 his SECOND season
GO FALCONS
BYE VICK
James B. McMullen
May 17th, 2009
10:12 pm
I THINK VICK SHOULD GO INTO HORSE RACING, OR BRONCO RIDING, TO
LAWFULLY INFLICT PAIN TO ANIMALS.
Reid Adair
May 17th, 2009
10:12 pm
Jeff, you are 100 percent correct on this. If and when Michael Vick goes back to professional football – whether it’s the NFL, the CFL, the Arena league or wherever else – he’s going to find protests and critics.
I wonder how many times Arthur Blank has to say it – Michael Vick will NEVER be back in a uniform with the Falcons again. NEVER.
For those who have ignored Blank or missed it previously, he stated it AGAIN at the State of the Franchise event at the Georgia Dome. I’m sure the video is somewhere on atlantafalcons.com.
And, for the record, I am a white man who owned – and proudly wore – a Vick jersey … BEFORE he went to prison. It was sent to an animal shelter in Atlanta to use however they see fit.