Braves have lost the benefit of the doubt
Much like this ground ball to second baseman Omar Infante, everything with the Braves these days seem just out of reach. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)
They have a left fielder hitting .171 but turning down rehab assignments, a Japanese pitcher who looks out of his league, a catcher who can’t see, a legend who can’t throw and a rookie starter who’s on pace for over 200 strikeouts, which would be great if we were talking about Jordan Schafer as a pitcher, not a hitter.
Still bubbling over with enthusiasm about your Atlanta Braves?
They started the season 5-1. They were 6-14 since, heading into Wednesday night’s game at Florida. They dropped consecutive home games to the struggling New York Mets, and in Tuesday’s loss committed two errors and hit into three double plays. Manager Bobby Cox scooped up the remains of starting pitcher Kenshin Kawakami after five innings, which seemed wise given Kawakami was on a pace to throw 203.4 pitches.
If Kawakami were being paid by the pitch, his $23 million contract would seem like a bargain. Instead, it looks like the second cousin of Mike Hampton’s contract.
It sure would be nice if catcher Brian McCann (eye infection) could see again. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)
It’s only May. The possibilities are endless. Injuries heal. Hitters get hot. Bad luck evens out. Who knows? Maybe one day, somebody will even ship Brian McCann glasses that actually have two corrective lenses in them instead of one (as happened Tuesday).
But ask yourself this: Given that so much went right for the Braves over 14 straight seasons, did you ever think this might be the market correction?
“Eventually some good things have to start happening,” Chipper Jones said.
And then this: “I once told one of my good friends in baseball, ‘We’ll get ’em next time.’ Then he dropped an expletive and basically said, ‘Screw that, I wanted to get ’em this time.’ That’s how we all feel. We’re living for today. We’re hoping today is what turns it. It just seems when we put ourselves in a good situation, we self-destruct or something unlucky happens.”
Problem is, good baseball teams don’t self-destruct. Franchises certainly aren’t defined by luck. They are defined by personnel decisions, player development and, unfortunately, economic agendas.
If the Braves don’t turn it around, they will fail to reach the playoffs for the fourth straight season. That’s not luck. That’s definition.
The fizzled trades and free agent rejections of this past off-season are well known. Maybe expecting to make it back to October with so many second choices was too much to expect.
Garret Anderson — summoned after the Ken Griffey Jr. signing unraveled — has struggled with a calf injury. He rejected a minor-league assignment that was meant to help him find his swing. So he returned Tuesday against the Mets and went 0-for-4, stranded three base runners and hit into a double play. He was batting cleanup.
Does this sound like the backdrop for a turnaround?
The Braves rank 26th in the majors in runs, 23rd in hits, 24th in home runs and 27th in total bases. Defense has been mediocre. Overall, pitching has been solid. But Kawakami (1-4, 6.41 ERA) has been an early bust, Tom Glavine has yet to throw a pitch and reliever Blaine Boyer was punted to St. Louis two weeks ago.
Manager Bobby Cox reacts as he always does, with a positive: “We’re only 3 ½ back.”
General manager Frank Wren, who put this team together, harps on injuries. When asked if the season has been a letdown, he said: “We all feel like we’ve left some games out there we could’ve won if we had our full club together.”
There are built-in assumptions there. But assumptions go down easier when a team is coming off a string of post-seasons, not declining win totals. Maybe now, this is the norm.
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Rhonda
May 7th, 2009
9:48 am
No team stays on top forever. I have been a fan since the mid 70’s and I will be a fan til I die. Sure, it is more fun to be a fan when they are winning. There will be fun years again. In the mean time, let’s just love our Braves, win or lose! But seriously, they couldn’t get McCann’s glasses right? Whoa! That is sad. I groaned when I heard that last night!!
Patrick
May 7th, 2009
9:49 am
One other comment…WHY is Tommy Hansen not pitching in the major leagues NOW? It makes no sense to keep him at Gwinnett if he could be a solid contributor now to the starting rotation! It’s time for the Jo-Jo Reyes experiment to end!
ProScout
May 7th, 2009
9:51 am
Unfortunately with Freeman, Heyward, and that other kid (forget his name but he’s an infielder) producing but just not quite being ready they won’t make big splashes at those positions. The Braves need to continue to build that pitching staff and a solid group of role players so that when Heyward, Freeman, name that escapes me, maybe even Gorkys get the call they aren’t expected to carry the load, till their ready that is!!
corkylikesbeer
May 7th, 2009
10:12 am
Jeff…do you think any of the Braves have any trade value?
Braves73
May 7th, 2009
10:15 am
So what exactly do we have in these Braves? Well, that’s hard to tell. We have solid pitching (which right now is good for fourth place), terrible hitting, no speed, mediocre fielding, & a questionable bull pen. Oh, I forgot to mention an unimaginative manager. Sounds like a formula for fourth place.
Here’s what the past tells me…NOTHING. It is absolutely foolish to compare this team (pitching and little offense) to the Braves of the 90’s. That team (90’s Braves) had three sure fire hall of fame pitchers, whereas this team has “solid pitching”. There is no comparision. In the history of baseball, there has been and probably never will be a pitching staff like that one. To try to use “The Braves of the 90’s formula” with any other team is foolish. This team does not have anywhere close to “that” type of pitching. The foundation of this team has to be re-examined.
If we are supposed to buy into this team, then the formula (of this team) has to make sense. If we know that are proven commodity is solid pitching, then we must build on that premise. By that, the Braves must have some sort of identity on offense to compliment the solid pitching. We do not have “shut down” starters, therefore we must create pressure on the opposition. We are not built for the long ball & have very little speed to speak of…it’s time for change. If that means making a trade (and or trades) or bringing up our future “stars”, then do it. We have seen what Bobby’s wait see attitude has brought us over the past four years.
fieldofdreams
May 7th, 2009
10:19 am
Is it too late to offer San Diego Kawakami, Kelly Johnson, Matt Diaz, Jeff Francouer, and Casey Kotchman, for Jake Peavy? Me thinks Frank is Wren over his head.
Bring Me the Head of Deforest Kelley
May 7th, 2009
10:25 am
Thanks Schultz for finally putting into a column what a lot of us have been feeling for a while. Cox’s reaction that we’re only 3.5 back right now is exactly the problem. The guy completely refuses to acknowledge shortcomings.
If he doesn’t want to state anything to the press to preseve his popularity rating, he can simply say “no comment” and walk away. He doesn’t need to throw players under the bus, but he also shouldn’t endlessly spin bad news into “we’re only 3.5 back” every day.
Still, Cox is only part of the problem when you look at the bad deals to have come out of the front office, and the organization’s glaring lack of development in its young players. Braves management really isn’t doing anything right these days.
Dostahawk
May 7th, 2009
10:28 am
I would just like to personally congratulate the new Owners (whoever they are) and Management for quickly destroying what was once a great Organization.
From the Team, to the Players, to the Announcers, to whatever TV channel you’re MIGHT find them on, the Braves I knew, loved and watched every day/night…….do not exist anymore.
Sad.
coach k
May 7th, 2009
10:34 am
We have this same converstation year end and yr out. There is no sense of urgency, its the same old hole hum attitude. Until we blow out this management get use of same style of not moving runners over, not executing the bunt, and never trying to pitch inside, and never standing on the steps rooting for your team. Say bye Bobbie and get me someone and does not play favorites and can mix thing up. Same ole
bs since 96 and it will continue until we move management out. Why are the Braves off limits from the media, it’s time to hear from Scheurholtz,Wren, constitution and Braves Announcers that this type of play is unacceptable!!!!!! Stop the madness
Jorge I.
May 7th, 2009
10:35 am
Don’t forget about a couple of trades that are really hurt right know. Ok. I admit it. I fall for the Mark Texeira deal a couple of summers ago…that year the team was in contention and having Texeira for at least a year and a half should had help the franchise…but the it didn’t work out and we trade him for a first baseman who doesn’t hit and a minor league pitcher which apparently is a one hitter releiver. Now, I keep seeing how Elvis Andrus is developing in Texas as a solid SS, the pitcher Harrison pitching effectively, and the other two pitchers (I’ve fotgot their name) as can’t miss prospects…don’t forget Saltalamachia which could be helping now that MCann is blind…Imaging how good the team could be if we had not make that deal…
Jeff Schultz
May 7th, 2009
10:41 am
Bugkiller: It’s not about bowing at Bobby Cox’s feet or anything. I’ve certainly never been shy about criticizing and coach, GM, owner or athlete if I thought it was justified. It’s just a matter of laying blame where you think it should be. I think the issues are more personnel than managing.
lagnamor: There were good arguments on both sides of the Josh Anderson/Jordan Schafer debate. Obviously they had to make a decision on Anderson, so in that sense they could’ve stored Schafer in Gwinnett for a while. But they felt he was ready – and he still may be. Its early.
UgaBrave: Agreed, though I think some of what’s gone wrong has not been Wren’s fault. Just my opinion.
Wxwax: Yessssss! There’s another 6 cents.
Ted Striker: I can always count on you to keep things in perspective.
BeachGaBulldog: I love you, too.
Jeff Schultz
May 7th, 2009
10:49 am
Patrick — Hansen may or may not be ready — nobody really knows — but starting pitching’s not the biggest issue right now.
Corky — how do you define “trade value”? I mean, yeah, another team would take Kelly Johnson if they need an infielder who’s shown offensive potential. But realistically what level of OF would you get in return. But like I said early, teams don’t trade in May. We’re at least a month away from significant roster movement.
Jorge: You’re not alone. I fell for Teixeira too.
bushwacker
May 7th, 2009
10:50 am
THEY PLAY WITH NO EMOTION, the “Braves Way” of doing things ain’t getting it done.
Bobby is too loyal to fire and inept hitting and pitching coach, so get rid of Cox.
Bring in some one who would light a fire under these guys.
Pete Rose would be perfect but since he’s been blackballed, I think Larry Bowa would be perfect.
Some one who hates losing more than they like winning.
Trey
May 7th, 2009
11:03 am
Its still early and the Braves can come around, but they just need to make a few changes to the lineup. Stop giving Reyes a chance that he can be a good pitcher with a record of 5-14 or is it 5-15, now? Stop letting Kawakami pitch, when he is already 1-4 for the season, because if we didn’t have Kawakami, we would be a lot closer to .500 if not already at 500. We are 4 or 5 games out and if we had a pitcher 4-1 or 5-0 we would be much higher in the standings. Kelly Johnson can’t hit for squat and Jordan just needs to calm down at the plate, because he has a lot of potential. The Braves hitters need to stop taking lessons from Terry Pendleton and start listening to Chipper’s father, as Chipper’s father is the one who trained Chipper his whole life, that’s why Chipper barely strikes out and continues to be dangerous.
Trey
May 7th, 2009
11:04 am
By Reyes record, I mean career record of 5-14 or 5-15.
bushwacker
May 7th, 2009
11:07 am
There is too much talent on this team to be sub 500, you can’t fire all the players!
David
May 7th, 2009
11:08 am
At least I have video copies of the 14 years of playoffs to watch when the Braves were for real.
Trey
May 7th, 2009
11:16 am
Eh, the Braves still have a chance to come around, because every team has its struggling point, just replace Kawakami and Reyes. I don’t even know why they would choose Reyes over Hanson other than the fact that Reyes has Major League experience, however, how can Hanson get the experience until he gets a chance to pitch. So replace Reyes with Hanson.
Cardog10
May 7th, 2009
11:16 am
Lawton, go cheer for the Yankees or Red Sox or something… you are not a Braves fan. You would think some of you idiots would give the respect that Chipper has EARNED and DESERVES. You are talking about the guy who just won the Batting Title last year, not to mention how important Chipper is to the Braves, the last guy left from our 1995 World Series. He IS the Braves. Now get the hell out of my city.
Gene
May 7th, 2009
11:18 am
When you see how many former Braves are doing well in the league, it makes you wonder about the management. Dye, DeRosa, Furcal, Millwood, Marquis, Wainwright, and Josh Anderson. Shafer should be in MS, and Josh Anderson should still be a Brave. That wouldn’t have been hard. The Braves may come around somewhat, but .500 baseball is about the best we can hope for.
Branch Rickey
May 7th, 2009
11:18 am
No. power. No speed. No fundamentals. Brain-dead manager.
Half the Braves’ starting lineup – Schafer, Kochman, Johnson & Diaz, would be utility players elsewhere.
Kelley
May 7th, 2009
11:19 am
The fire Bobby talk is ridiculous. And all this talk about “only one World Championship”.. we never hear that talk about the Falcons or Hawks do we, b/c they’ve never won one! Be thankful the Braves were so good for so many years, it’s more than any other franchise has given us. Heck ,the Bulldogs haven’t won it all since 80, that’s nearly 30 years folks.
Bobby can’t make these guys get the big hit when they need it (Chipper against the Mets in the 9th). I would say he gets more out of his players than most. His record speaks for itself, numbers don’t lie.
Trey
May 7th, 2009
11:34 am
We got two quality starters and one starter who is decent, Lowe, Jurrjens, and Vasquez, but then you have two horrible pitchers that the Braves keep using after they have proved that they are not quality starters. Maybe put Kawakami into the Bullpen? That is just a suggestion and trade Reyes for a decent hitter who does not have to be a home run hitter but to able to put the ball in play and get on base and to be a danger on base, and bring Hanson up for the number 5 spot, as it looks like Glavine will probably retire.
braves70
May 7th, 2009
11:40 am
Good article Jeff. The problem starts at the top. A General Manager in Frank Wren who is out of his league and failed miserably in Baltimore. A Manager in Bobby Cox who was never as great as his talented teams and who now is just flat too old to fit in with today’s game or today’s players. We are stuck in an endless loop of failure until these problems are addressed.
Chase
May 7th, 2009
11:43 am
Should have never let Leo Mazzoni go. Everything went down hill when he left.
nick manning
May 7th, 2009
11:46 am
Bobby still manages like he’s got a bunch of killers in his lineup! You know what I mean? We’d be alright if it was chipper, mcgriff, justice, klesko, lopez, etc..
ABravesFan
May 7th, 2009
11:46 am
Jo-Jo hasn’t pitched all that terribly this year. He has one great start and 2 marred by tiring/hitter figuring him out in the 6th. Starting pitching has definitely be a positive so far as the Braves are at least in the game for 3/4 of their current losses.
As for the hitting, the Braves’ hitting averages are only lookoing decent from the few big innings that they have had. When you rely so much on a stream of singles (and having no speed), it’s hard to score.
We desperately need McCann back and in form.
Dwayne
May 7th, 2009
11:49 am
why does cox stay with schafer> oh fer his last what???13??? 11 stickouts??? did he get a meaning less hit lasst nite late in the game. cox shows toooo much loyalty to slumping players.
rhaiz ur blaide
May 7th, 2009
12:00 pm
For whatever reason the Braves seem to think we can win with a no-hit, good-field 1st baseman….Yeah, we won with Sid Bream 83 yrs. ago because we had GREAT starting pitching….1st base is a run producing position such as Tex, Galaraga, Crimedog etc….Heck, lets talk to Barry Bonds or anyone that might give us a little power….
cursive
May 7th, 2009
12:03 pm
Jeff,
It has become hard to watch any games that the Braves are not winning by 3 or 4 early on, because I KNOW that they’re not going to get any clutch hitting to pull one out… How much of this rests on TP, and how much of it rests on the Braves just not having many good, consistent hitters?
dogsbrekky
May 7th, 2009
12:06 pm
Gee Jeff you whiny little negative man
How did the semi-fit Garret Anderson do on Wednesday night…… oh yes 3 crucial rbis
The guy can hit……..
Just me
May 7th, 2009
12:06 pm
My biggest complaints about Bobby Cox is his carved in stone attitude about when to change pitchers regardless of the situation in each game and his substitution decisions. The Braves of the 90’s are not the Braves of the past few years but he simply has not adjusted his decisions. My biggest complaint about the organization is the fact that Terry Pendleton is still the batting coach. He was a good player in his day but that alone does not make him a good coach. He has done far more harm than good to the hitting. He tries to change the things that brought these batters to the big show and that keeps them confused, which shows. Get him out of here instead of making him manager-in-waiting.
Trey
May 7th, 2009
12:08 pm
I don’t know A Brave Fan, he had one great game where he looked as if he was coming together. His next game he was fine then he blew up in one inning and just lost all confidence in him. What do you expect for people to think of him with a horrible career record? He may be young but he should have some sort of improvement by now.
me
May 7th, 2009
12:15 pm
they need Prado in center filed!!!!!
SL3
May 7th, 2009
12:19 pm
Why is Shafer still playing every game? I know he is the best defensive center fielder, but his endless strings of strikeouts is way over the line. This team has no true power hitter not to mention power pitching starter. Not much speed either. It’s going to be a long boring season.
Brendan
May 7th, 2009
12:56 pm
Jeff Schultz, thank you for this article. It needed to be said. Look, folks. I like the Braves. And I like Bobby Cox. By all accounts, he’s a wonderful man. And, there is that impressive resume of 15 division titles, 5 LCS pennants, and one (1) World Series win. Bobby gets a lil sleepy in the 7th inning, wakes up sometime in the 8th. But hey, when I’m his age, I’ll be napping a lot, too.
But here’s some truth. This ownership doesn’t spend like the previous one. They don’t gun for the World Series every year, anymore. That ship has sailed. They’re being fiscally responsible. They’re owners, not sports enthusiasts.
Here’s another truth. The last time the Braves won a game in the World Series, the team played games at Fulton County Stadium. And the last time the Atlanta Braves won a home playoff game, it was 1995, and it marked the team’s 1st World Championship. And Last. As I gaze at my calendar, a very Patriotic one featuring six American girls of various ethnicities, waving American flags, marking “Memorial Day,” it reads, “May 2009.” Let me get out a calculator. I’m not strong in math, admittedly. Well, the calculator says that 2009 minus 1996, the last WS playoff win, marks 13 years without a World Series playoff win.
Thirteen.
Fourteen, if you want to count that last home playoff win.
The Braves are on about .425 pack. I’d say that 69-93 sounds about right for these Braves. I’d go as high as 72-90. But no higher.
“Change we need” isn’t just a Presidential campaign slogan. The INK on the 1995 Braves World Series Championship … it isn’t “fresh.” I have the AJC from that day. I even have it as a T-shirt. That was Thennn. This is nowwwwww. It’s 2009. Bobby Cox is in the final year of his contract. If Bobby doesn’t retire, he shouldn’t be renewed. I like Bobby Cox. I respect Bobby Cox. But I’d also fire Bobby Cox.
Bobby Cox
May 7th, 2009
12:59 pm
Gee, Skip. Schafer’s been tearing it up in batting practice. At some point he should make contact with the bat.
Darth Nick
May 7th, 2009
1:41 pm
Jeff,
Don’t you agree that the Braves should shift there strategy to be more like the A’s, KC, Twins, and Tampa with building up the minors and try to get draft picks for free agents. If they are not going to spend money to get talent then spend it on scouting and player development. Just admit that they are not good enough to win with what they have, and a few changes here and there are not going to help. Take there lumps now for the future. And that means getting rid of old regime because they have been fighting youth movement for 4 years.
Jeff Schultz
May 7th, 2009
2:06 pm
Actually Darth, I think they’ve done the draft pick thing for years. Just think of some of the players who’ve left in the past few seasons.
DooDa
May 7th, 2009
2:24 pm
(1) I agree with uga-brave, the whole local-boy, home grown talent thing is wearing thin. I’m tired of hearing about how some up and coming minor league prospect is a sure superstar. The same goes for sticking with players because they are a ‘fan favorite’ ( I heard Jeff Blauser might be available). Let’s build a team that can compete today rather than build for the future. This ‘build for tomorrow’ mentality is just a ruse for ‘to cheap to go out and spend money on talent’.
(2) On of the biggest problems is that the Braves have built this team like they still play in Fulton County Stadium (aka, the launching pad). Getting a couple of guys on base and then trying to hit a home run worked there, it doesn’t work in the Ted. They haven’t adapted and learned to play small ball, move runners, manufacture runs, etc. This is the fault of the manager.
(3) We need a player with some fire like David Justice to stir things up. Yes, he was outspoken and contoversial, but he produced in the clutch. This team is too dull (like the manager). Braves haven’t been the same since DJ left.
Keeping It Real
May 7th, 2009
2:37 pm
The Braves are boring with a capital B. Most of the players are Triple A at best.The one player with speed strikes out and cannot get on base. They have rehab pitchers with high salaries. No wonder the attendance is low.
Time to clean house and start all over with some young talent. The Marlins have done it twice and won World Series both times. They are doing it a third time at present and are better than the Braves already. Bring up Freeman, Heywood, Hanson, etal. Bring some excitement and talent back to the Ted.
Brendan
May 7th, 2009
3:16 pm
The Braves did just beat the Marlins, 4-2, this afternoon. Which proves nothing, of course. I’m just imparting information. It’s a 162-game schedule. Some things, you just CANNOT HIDE over 162 games. I believe Jeff Schultz has already identified what they are.
Bob Salttoyourmachia
May 7th, 2009
3:24 pm
Don’t know if Schafer is going to stick to the wall or not, but Gorkys Hernandez sure is a good looking lead-off type player-
http://minorsandmajors.com/2009/619/brave-year-gorkys-hernandez
Bob formerly of Atlanta
May 7th, 2009
4:31 pm
The Braves do not seem to do anything exceptionally well. They can’t run bases, they can’t hit and run, they can’t bunt, and they are poor defensively. The players probably stack up well both mentally and in baseball skills with other teams, so it has to be a management problem.
Teams fire managers during the season often. What are the Braves waiting for?
alsim
May 7th, 2009
4:56 pm
THANK YOU! Finally an Atlanta journalist has the sense to speak up and say this Emperor has no clothes. You people who say “it’s only May” were also saying that last year…and in 2007…and 2006…
It’s SS DS – same s—, different season.
It is time for change. the Braves should follow the example of the Falcons and hire an infusion of youth in the front office and in the dugout. God bless, Bobby Cox, but his time has passed.
They can get Ned Yost back if they want him.
Schuerholz is out of gas and Wren is not quite up to snuff.
.
Einstein
May 7th, 2009
4:57 pm
Jeff, I can’t think of anything new that has not already been said above.Coxshoudhave been fired 9 years ago…despite the talent and HOF players, he still bungled the playoffs with his bonehead decisions. The Braves won 14 consecutive division championships and 2,000 games…not Bobby. He just gets to take credit for them. My suggestion would be for the front office to stop acting like Rankin Smith and the falcons, and act likeArthur Blank and hire competent people. People who will teach the fundamentals as well as instill some fire/attitude/pride in the team. One old bromide I wish I had thought up is “s#!t flows down hill”. Bobby’s attitude toward the game has infected his players and it shows in their non-performance and losing attitude. It’s more frustration and disappointment rather than anti-Bobby. Peace
trey
May 7th, 2009
6:01 pm
What is up with Reyes’ beard? It doesn’t connect to the top of his lip, very tacky if you ask me.
BugKiller
May 7th, 2009
6:41 pm
So Jeff, you’re telling me that when the Braves had the best team in baseball 8 out of those 14 years heading into October, only to see it fall apart AGAIN due to Cox’s horrible mismanagement of his bench and pitching staffs:
Sticking with Maddux and Glavine, two average (and that’s being nice) October pitchers when their wide strikezones shrink instead of pitching Smoltzie, the best playoff pitcher EVER in games 1 and 4.
Sticking with his starters too long in need to win games where there is no tomorrow.
Bringing in the wrong relievers to face the wrong batters. Liebrandt, anyone? how about taking out the guy who looked like John Travolta in game 4 of the ‘96 Series when he was MOWING down Yankees in order to bring in Wohlers a full inning early?
Sticking with ridiculous lefty / righty platoons of his favored no-hitting veterans at the cost of his overall line-up, when Klesko, for example, proved time and again he would have been a better option against lefties than whatever corpse Cox threw out there.
Refusing to change his “we’ll get ‘em tomorrow” approach of managing when in October, THERE IS NO TOMORROW!!!
Continually waiting for the three run homer to bail him and the team out instead of playing small ball and trying to manufacture runs (something that killing the team right now, and has been the last few years).
Jeff… you mean with all of that EVIDENCE proving Cox was and is the problem staring you in the face, and you STILL believe that personnel was the issue?
In baseball, personnel win you divisions. Managers win or lose playoff games.
It’s that simple.
Bobby Cox should have been fired after 1996, and in any other city, he would have been.
Again, Jeff, Bobby Cox is Einstein’s definition of INSANITY!!!
al
May 7th, 2009
7:32 pm
Where are all the Andrew Jones haters? I bet his next few years be more productive on the field than your boy in center now.
jm
May 7th, 2009
8:42 pm
You guys are freakin morons and just horrible complainers.
Bobby Cox is the 2nd best thing that ever happened to the franchise behind Hank Aaron.
Shut the heck up.