Hawks get hit by the first wave


After eight straight home wins, Josh Smith and the Hawks expected better Wednesday.

Josh Smith and the Hawks hoped for better than this against San Antonio. (Rich Addicks/AJC.)

Josh Smith likened this week to “a tidal wave,” which of course led to the obvious question: Are the Hawks standing on high enough ground?

They are assured of a postseason berth for the second straight season. They are moving closer to a home playoff series for the first time in 10 years. They have displayed chemistry and resolve by sweeping a seven-game homestand, which had followed a 13-18 stretch, which had followed a 21-10 start.

None of that suggests they’ll soon be spitting out seaweed any time soon.

But on Wednesday night, the Hawks played the first of three games against teams — San Antonio, Boston and Los Angeles — that have won eight of the past 10 NBA titles.

The tidal wave reference: completely understandable.

“When we played those seven games at home, we were tested against some pretty good teams,” Smith said Wednesday. “But this will test our competitiveness. This will show how hard we’re playing and whether we’re ready for the playoffs. It’s definitely a chance to see how good we are.”

Boston comes to town Friday. Maybe we’ll see it then.

Playing without Tim Duncan seemingly did little to hurt San Antonio — or help Atlanta. The Spurs won 102-92. They shot better than the Hawks. They certainly defended better than the Hawks.

In short, they looked more April-ready than the Hawks.

“It’s definitely disappointing because we had come so far,” Mo Evans said. “Now we’ve lost to two elite teams [in the past three games], Cleveland and San Antonio. That’s the true test. This hurts because we had been playing so well.”

It’s late March. This is when great teams come together. Nobody went into the week expecting the Hawks to beat the Spurs, Celtics and Lakers in five days. But this is a time for them to gauge where they really stand.

Early results: not pretty. Manu Ginobili was back after missing 19 games with an ankle injury and wasn’t a factor (two points in six minutes). Duncan probably could’ve played. But the Spurs played Tuesday; his knees aren’t fond of back-to-backs, and coach Gregg Popovich is thinking of the playoff.

Didn’t matter. Tony Parker (42 points) couldn’t be stopped. Coach Mike Woodson said the team tried to double-team him more often but couldn’t get there in time.

“There was some slippage,” he said.

Slippage — in intensity, in execution and in results.

One game is not foreshadowing. How the Hawks bounce back against Boston could be.

“Our team has grown, and these guys in the locker room are hungry because they’re trying to secure a spot that allows you to host a round,” Woodson said before the game.

He doesn’t have the luxury of resting players. The Hawks are still trying to secure the No. 4 seed (their fortune: Miami also lost).

But, yes — this was a night for slippage. Smith went 3-for-12 with four turnovers. Even worse, there was this bit of slapstick: In one 51-second span of the first quarter, Smith had the ball stolen, was called for traveling, missed a slam dunk at one end and called for goaltending at the other.

“He had a bad night,” Woodson said.

They all did. The got hit by the first wave.

  Jeff Schultz, fighting to stay relevant with peeps under 40, can be reached via email (jschultz@ajc.com), Facebook, Tweeter (SchultzAJC) or carrier pigeon (make a right off 400).

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Dr. Warren

March 26th, 2009
2:11 am

We all know the Hawks aren’t on the level of Cleveland, SA, Boston, and LA. We’ve had all season–hell, the past 10 years–to learn that. They may very well lose all four games. Let’s just hope they can hold off Miami for the #4 spot. If they do, and are able to get out of Round 1, we should all be satisfied. The top teams all have one bonafide superstar + one star. The Hawks have one star–Joe Johnson–and several good players. That ain’t enough, folks.

Dr.Nunna Yo Bizznezz

March 26th, 2009
6:15 am

i agree with you dr.,look at that,2 out of 2 doctors agree that this team needs are not met,and that they will need to win the 4th spot in order to win the 1st round and will likely lose in the 2nd round and that we should be proud,i agree totally..
now the question should be,who is to blame for the stalling of this team..

sure billy knight had a hand in putting this team together,missing out on drafting players like a chris paul among others..but,who to say paul would have been the kind of player that he is with new orleans?? he had his hand forced in playing big Al because we needed him asap,but,i doubt he would have played paul any decent minutes at all..

gm rick sund said in a news conference early this year that they supplied woodson with what he said he didn’t have last year,some players to come in off the bench,and now he would not have no excuse to play his bench..flip,mo evans,and even rookie phenom othello hunter and 2nd year player thomas gardner,and some beef in the middle in randolph morris who’s been in the league for some time now,but, if they were called to come into the game today and play needed minutes because of player injuries or something others,they would be under performing, because of lack of playing time,they would look lost,most likely..

the energy,and defense of mario west was evident last year,but its sad that this coach takes a year or so to see what is obvious..
now,mind you,im never at any hawks practices ever,but i know from experience in playing sports,that there are plenty of athletes whom raise there level of intensity and play when they actually play in a game..and then you would even have a better chance of knowing whether this player belongs in the nba or not..now,the above mentioned rookie phenom and 2nd or more year players may be project players,but,still,give them more than 2 minutes every 10 games..
And if they are not ready to play in the nba,then why are they on the team????

how many jobs keep people aboard because they are project players?? or,workers?..if this game was physical like football,i would understand,but its not..

this team will only rise after the fall of woodson…


March 26th, 2009
7:50 am

I have a suggestion for Mike Woodson. Start finding more minutes for ACIE LAW quick fast and in a hurry. We will be needing him in the playoffs, especially for his defense and his ability to get to the basket. I know that Tony Parker is good, but 42 POINTS? That is ridiculous. Who was guarding him? It appears nobody.


March 26th, 2009
7:59 am

Dear Mr. JS–what’s a loss when Milt Stafford was at courtside? Did you see him? In a baseball cap, too. Your pal, Leland


March 26th, 2009
8:13 am

the hawks have been consistant in their inability to hang with the east and west elite this season. some due to coaching / game adjustments, some due to missing a center, and some due to a team that has been unable to play a consistant game for 48 min.


March 26th, 2009
8:15 am

Dear Mr. JS–a Cincinnati baseball cap. Your pal, Leland

Funky Bobby J

March 26th, 2009
8:25 am

Why the heck didn’t Woody leave Mario in to guard Parker? He hung with him tough for a few minute in the first half. Put someone in to make the dude work for those 42 points. Bibby is a huge liability on D. If the Hawks cannot learn to D the high screen better – not sure that they can even get past Miami.


March 26th, 2009
8:44 am

Dear Mr. JS–frontways. Your pal, Leland


March 26th, 2009
8:56 am

I love Woody. He sits at #2, all-time, for stupidest sports quotes, with this gem from August of 2005: “Records are records. I’m not concerned about our record. We can’t control our record.”

I repeat, I love Woody! I think he’s hilarious. Why would we ever want someone like that to ever go away? I think he should be on “Late Night.” The guy’s got a career in ’stand up comedy’ after the NBA.

I wish the Hawks the best of luck as they move forward. And, seriously, I blame much more of the Hawks recent history on Billy Knight than Coach Woodson. Yeah, yeah. I hear ya. 250 or so losses under Woodson … and counting. But did Woodson draft players? Is Woodson charged with “oversight” of the team? Since 2003? Did Woodson suggest the Joe Johnson trade that CREATED this cluster, amongst the ownership group?

No, “Woody” is just the guy trying to the make the best of the situation that he inherited. Is he “blameless?” Chuckling. Hardly. Yes, Woodson has to answer for the mistakes he’s made. But no players, no team, and no coach have EVER, EVER, EVER overcome poor management and poor ownership. And that’s BEEN Woody’s situation. I don’t know much about Rick Sund, but he’s GOT TO BE BETTER than Billy Knight. It takes YEARS and YEARS to unf**k what Billy Knight did. I wish Rick Sund the best of luck, especially with this ownership controlling the purse strings and interfering with the decision-making process, which ought to be UNIQUELY Rick Sund’s. That’s what a GM is for. You hire a GM to make decisions. All the owners are supposed to do … is fork over the dinero … then GET OUT OF THE WAY. Let the GM manage the team.

Ummn, is that what’s happening with the Atlanta Hawks?


March 26th, 2009
9:06 am

Uh, the Hawks HAVE shown they can hang with the elite. Two close losses to Boston, including a buzzer-beater loss, and a close game against Cleveland that should have gone to OT, and a win against Cleveland.

They just had a bad day. Its not all Woodson’s fault that everyone besides Joe Johnson couldn’t hit a shot in the fourth quarter. Brush it off and lets come back and beat Boston finally. We owe it to them.


March 26th, 2009
9:38 am

You are right about Bibby defensively. I like what he brings offensively as a complement to Joe and as a perimiter shooter, but Coach needs to recognize what he’s doing on the defensive end that hurts the team. He loses his man constantly and is real lazy in closing out his rotations. I like him, but he’s either got to up his effort and concentration or have his minutes reduced. Wish he played like Mario or even Mo in terms of effort. And Flip needs to fill in a littl more for Bibby. Flip does try to stay in defensive position.


March 26th, 2009
9:44 am

By the way, Marvin Williams has the same defensive mentality as Bibby. His team D is below average, and that’s being nice. It’s not a coincidence that the Hawks win more with Mo getting more burn. I don’t know why the players don’t just give a little more and stop being lazy. Josh is guilty of that too (sometimes). $10 million a year to stand around and not block out, only go to the offensive glass once in a while, etc. But he has improved 1000% in terms of not shooting stupid outside shots and not high-dribbling into traffic (with his no-handles self).


March 26th, 2009
9:47 am

Kurt, you are the only one who seems to get it. The so called fans that reply to JS are not true fans.
This team has beaten some of the best teams in the league and some more than once. They had an amazing home run of 7 no wait 8 games in a row. THE ENDED UTAHS 12 GAME WINNING STREAK!!!! They are the best pro sports team this town has had in a long time, and hey fun to watch. So once again JS writes a raciest Bubba – personal attack on the Hawks after one game. A STATEMENT ON THIS FUN, WINNING TEAM AFTER ONE GAME. JS and all the bubba’s – go bash the loosers if you want, but this team is a winner.
NOW THIS YEAR THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE, AND HAVE PLAYED EVERY SINGLE TEAM WELL, AND HAVE BEATEN UP ON TEAMS THEY SHOULD. THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST RECORDS THEY HAVE EVER HAD AND ARE EXTREMELY FUN TO WATCH. So JS decides to write something negative and one nights profromance, this shows his lack of professionalism, his lack of fair play, and his amazing racism. It does not matter what the Hawks do.

HAWKS – CONGRATS ON A GREAT SEASON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


March 26th, 2009
9:49 am

This team (and I use that term loosley) will go nowhere. I sat there and watched Joe(slow everything down) Johnson do his little runners short 70%of the time and then get killed by Parker. Does he understand how to play the game? Josh Smith raising cain on his blocked shot that clearly hit the backboard first. Always griping/throwing the ball away/ and cannot shoot a free throw. They will go out first round.


March 26th, 2009
9:56 am

Anyone know when Bibby’s contract expires? We sure could use an upgrade at point. He only gets a handful of assists, is an inconsistent scorer at best, can’t play defense…and doesn’t even run the offense in crunch time. Last night, Flip was bringing the ball up late in the game, while Bibby stood in the corner. Other nights Joe handles the ball in Woodie’s isolation offense (but that’s another story).


March 26th, 2009
10:11 am

Whammer. Did I miss something? What is racist?


March 26th, 2009
10:39 am

Dean, Bibby’s contract expires this year, so he will be an unrestricted free agent after the playoffs.

JS, Miami also lost last night, but the 76ers are closing fast, and its possible that we could face Philly in the first round.


March 26th, 2009
10:49 am

I was at the game last night and Parker carved us up all night; and we couldn’t buy a bucket in the first 5 minutes.


March 26th, 2009
10:53 am

“We tried doubling him some, but he kept beating the double-teams,” said Hawks coach Mike Woodson. Huh? I saw a very poor defensive effort/scheme if they were trying to keep Parker out of the lane. Part (if not all) of the problem was scheme. How can you justify not making a concerted effort to get the ball out of his damn hands. If it requires leaving someone else open, then take the lesser of the two evils. Also, they should/could have knocked Parker on his a!! when he drove to the basket (just as the Spurs did anytime we challenged the basket). The fact boils down to this, the Spurs were better prepared & executed much better than the Hawks (they led almost from start to finish).

Jeff Schultz

March 26th, 2009
11:13 am

GDG73 – I don’t know Woodson’s plans for Acie Law. But I know coaches in general don’t change their play rotations too much this time of the year. So even if Law is healthy, I tend to doubt he’ll all of a sudden get a ton of minutes, unless somebody else gets hurt.

LELAND – Milt and Matt Stafford related … Actually, on that subject, I was stunned he got booed last night when he was announced and his face was on video screen.

BRENDAN – Especially given the way the Childress thing unfolded, Sund did a good job this off-season. Flip Murray and Mo Evans were great additions. I wrote when he was hired I thought he was a solid GM, and I still think that. But he’ll have a lot of interesting decisions to make after this season.

KURT – I agree, they have shown they can hang with elite teams. But because of that raised expectation level and great success at home, even players in the locker room were disappointed with last night’s game.

DEAN – Bibby’s an unrestricted free agent after the season.

HOLLYWOULD – Thank you. There are some things I’ve just stopped responding to.

O’BRIEN – I think they all know the 4th spot isn’t nearly locked up. And you’re right, consider the difference in seeding: No. 4 seed (maybe home vs. Miami), No. 5 seed (maybe at Miami), No. 6 seed (at Orlando or at Boston). Yikes.


March 26th, 2009
11:15 am

There are too many Hawks hatters on here. We have a winning season for goodness sake. The Hawk are improving. Its situations like these that they learn from and how to handle them. They’re 42-30 and counting. I do believe the Hawks need a big man though, especially when we play teams like Cleveland, LA, and Orlando. In these situations i believe Zaza should start and move AL down to PF and Josh to SF. It’ll give them a little more movement. There are only a few bugs that need to be worked out. So to Hollywould and all the other hawks haters out there…..holding on tight to the pube hairs of LA and Cleveland, we don’t want you to fall off their nuts!!!!!!! ONE


March 26th, 2009
11:20 am

well said hawks 73…i think someone should have knocked parker to the floor after he burned them for 20–at 30 pts yo have to let him know your atleast in the bldg–42 and basically beats you one on five–you’ve got to drill him every time. it works–where’s the pride? every time we got close to the basket someone got a bloody nose–bibby literally!

we have to make a stand in some of these games–I’m sick of teams coming in and laughing at us–we’re better than that–stand up and hit someone.

Ric Roc

March 26th, 2009
11:22 am


Who else was scoring well during the game to help Joe out on offense? When Joe had the ball was there any movement at all by the other players? Who was open for him to pass it too? What would you have preferred?

Bibby jack up another contested three with 18 seconds left on the shot-clock? Or how about a 20-footer from Josh Smith, or perhaps one of his patented dribble penetrations when he attempts a cross-over but trips over his own clumsy feet, loses the ball and lays on the ground crying to the refs for an entirety while the opposing team completes a fast break opportunity?

Noooo…what you wanna see is Al brick 15 and 17ft baseline jumpers with no one else to rebound…yeah, with all those other options, who would want the ball in Joe’s hands, who happens to be our most prolific by pure cosmic coincidence!

Ric Roc

March 26th, 2009
11:26 am


We better pray Joe Johnson even wants to COME BACK to this sad-sack franchise and ungrateful bunch of fans. The guys the best player we have, but so many of you would rather have Boris-freakin-Diaw!


March 26th, 2009
11:28 am

JS, although the Hawks have a tough schedule, they have more home games than Philly and Miami, so I think the Hawks will hold on to the 4th seed. However, Miami or Phily might finish as the 5th seed. Once we finish as the 4th seed, would we prefer to play Miami, or Philly? I’d be more concerned if we face Philly.

I think a decision on Bibby wil be made depending on his playoffs performance (and his contract price will depend on that also). If he struggles like he did last year (although he was injured), then I say let him go.

Ric Roc

March 26th, 2009
11:35 am


Yes, the Hawks are 42-30 and have improved their record each of the last 4 seasons and deserve kudos for that, but they SHOULD/COULD be sooo much better. They are still under-achieving. I believe that to be the problem with most fans.

Jeff Schultz

March 26th, 2009
11:41 am

OBRIEN — I agree. The Hawks didn’t look great but they hardly got smacked around either. I also think they’ll hold onto the fourth seed. …. Miami or Philly? That’s kind of a tossup. Heat as one of the best players in the game (Wade) who has taken over playoff games before. Also, I was in China for the Olympics — Wade was the best player on the U.S. team. He was UNbelievable.

Jeff Schultz

March 26th, 2009
11:44 am

RIC ROC: I get the feeling most fans are in one of two camps: 1) We believe; or 2) We’re not sure yet. It kind of reminds me of 1991 with the Braves. Fans were burned for so long that I don’t think they really started to believe until they beat out the Dodgers for the division, then got to the playoffs and beat the Pirates in the NLCS. When the Hawks win a playoff series, that probably will change.


March 26th, 2009
12:11 pm

ric/ I would like to see some movement by all/ you are correct but I am sick of Joe Johnson’s
globetrotting dribbling. He wastes 15 seconds every possession. The only reason the Hawks are
in the playoffs are 2 fold. The other teams sux and the Hawks have some good athletes. Athletics don’t win in the playoffs. Teams with a direction do. All this dribbling will sink them again. Don’t get me wrong, I am a lifelong Hawks fan going back to Fast Eddie(remember him) but they will go nowhere with this so-called offense and no help defense.

Ric Roc

March 26th, 2009
1:06 pm


I can feel you a bit on Joe Johnson dribbling out the shot clock, but we don’t have a true assist man on the team and again, the players play with so little movement without the ball. Each player finds a spot on the floor and just camps there until the possession is over.

He has to work for what he gets. Most definitely not the most ideal approach to team basketball, but it would seem the only play in Woody’s playbook is ISO-Joe…it’s like he stole from the back of a cereal box.


March 26th, 2009
1:20 pm

“slippage”, is that the same thing we witnessed as a equipment malfunction in the super bowl a few years back?

the slippage i saw was in intensity and not being able to fight back when they got busted in the mouth by kurt thomas, never known to be a goon or an enforcer. hawks problem continues to be lack of speed in the guards and no significant weight in a big when it gets pushed around. simple formula for the other team to decode, one that sund will have to undo in the summer. the other slippage was in the coach not having any answers himself when the other guy made adjustments. gee we got hammered by also rans and never ever guys and a coach and a quick point guard.


March 26th, 2009
1:47 pm

Now i do agree with you on that one Hollywould. They should not have gotten beat that bad by TP. They should have gave him a couple hard fouls to make him think twice about coming to the hole. It seems like everytime he scores says “FOR EVA” under his breathe. Its hilarious. The Hawks need to bang a little bit more. they play better when there is contact. We’ll see how they respond on Fri. The Spurs were a good challenge for the Hawks, cause they sure have that Spur imprint burned on their arse right now.


March 26th, 2009
2:24 pm

If the Hawks hold onto the four seed, I think they’ll get to the second round given their home court play. After that they are toast.


March 26th, 2009
3:10 pm

What planet are you people living on? I know the Blog Gestapo lives on Uranus, but least I digress… Tony Parker has lit the best points in the and teams in the league the last season and a half! No one, and I repeat NO ONE has taken him out of game in quite awhile, Cleveland and Boston worked him when Manu first went down. The last 6 games (before the Hawks), he averaged 26.1 a game. I was interested to look at the rest of the box score, and lo and behold, just as I suspected, Roger Mason 7 for 10!, Horford – 2 for 9 (No Tim Duncan, no problem), and Josh went 6 for 11 from the charity stripe… If you think Acie Law is going to shut down TP, you are about 4 years too late. Their 10 were better than ours, get some sleep, shake it off, and get ready for the C’s.

The Cox Sisters are so broke they can’t afford to deliver papers in Middle Georgia anymore (ROTFLMAO!)… Remember Schultz, tick-tock, tick-tock!!!


March 26th, 2009
3:20 pm

To reiterate. Parker is scorching us. Bibby is missing shots and not running whatever offense we have. Why not think outside the box and bring in your best on the ball defender – Mario – to try and setem the tide. The game was winnable even with an atrocious effort from JSMooth. No wonder he sits the fourth quarter of close games. He is Shaq like in shooting free throws. A malady that will sink this whole team in a significant playoff game. Anyone notice the difference in execution between your Atlanta Hawks and the Spurs? No contest. Lots of things to like about them and they have improved significantly. But they will not move to the next level with this roster and coach.


March 26th, 2009
6:06 pm


March 25th, 2009
9:35 pm
San Antonio is dominating in the paint!!! Led by 6′1″ Tony Parker the Spur runs right down the Hawks throat. Parker Kills them in the paint for 42, most of which were lay ups of the dribble.
I’ve got an Ideal, let’s ignore the fact that our center Pachulia is on the bench watching.
Rather than try and get someone to stop other teams from driving down our throats, lets attack Woodson. Yeah that’s the ticket. It s Woodson’s fault, fire the coach. Right, Schultz. What type of professional analysis is that Jeff?
Every good team knows that the way to beat the Hawks is attack the middle, not the coach.

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Ted Striker

March 26th, 2009
7:45 pm

I don’t know whether the Hawks have been hit by the first wave, the second tsunami, or the 99th nuke but I do know this: If my buddy at the AJC isn’t on top of the Valerie Bertinelli People Mag Swimsuit issue — my heart just isn’t into getting up in the morrow. Tell me all is right with the world, Jeff.


March 26th, 2009
8:02 pm

To Truth-Serum, my man Whammer, Ric Roc and Kurt (I am probably missing others) thanks for supporting the Hawks and coach Woodson. When I read some of this JUNK, you would think these guys were the Clippers…WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE, SERIOUSLY!!!!…This team, and I will say it again, reminds me of the Pistons circa 2003/2004 and they won the World title that year. Oh, except, I forgot one small frickin thing, EXCEPT FOR THEIR BENCH!!!!…We must beef the bench up in the off season to contend for a title.

I continue to be impressed by how Woodson gets as much out of this group as he does. By the way Schultz, how did your boy Josh Smith look tonight?…C’mon…Woody should have gone after him again with that pathetic performance and he wants to be considered an elite player in this league….P-A-L-E-E-Z-E!!!! By the way, Roger Mason Jr. was a free agent last year and the Hawks courted him but ultimately could not afford him (I guess).

I actually love Josh so I hated to take “a shot at him” (smile). We’ll be ok…he will redeem himself Friday…bring on the Celtics…I wish I was in Atlanta for that game…smile…GO HAWKS!!!!!


March 26th, 2009
8:40 pm

Jeff, no mention that we’re without Marvin?

The team’s making great progress, and are fun to watch. Don’t expect perfection.

As an aside, I think whammer’s next post will recommend the Hawks draft Mike Vick.

Furthermore, he called you “raciest.” I think that’s a compliment.

Dr.Nunna Yo Bizznezz

March 26th, 2009
10:02 pm

we have a bench. woodson just refuses to play the guys he has on it..
i know the d-league is not a league of world beaters,but,even if you are an nba player and you go down to the d-league,u are supposed to put up the numbers that hunter and gardner put up and look like superstars..
i have a question for you,js,and others..if chris paul was drafted by the hawks,would you think he’d have the playing time he has now or be the starter for this hawks team,or better yet,would he be the player that we see now???
heck naw!!!!
he would be doing spot duties,with mario…


March 26th, 2009
10:14 pm

Ric Roc, at least the Hawks won’t have to TRADE ANYBODY to re-sign Joe Johnson. We just have to “fork over the money.” And, like you said, “hope and pray” that JJ feels like his time in Atlanta wasn’t “wasted years.” This is the best Hawks team I’ve seen since 1999. And, in my FAR, FAR from informed opinion, Joe Johnson is the Hawks’ best player. I hope he can and will be re-signed. Especially, “responsibly.”

Now, as for Josh Childress …. No, I’m going to stifle myself. Mother always said, “If you don’t have something ‘nice’ to say about someone, say nothing at all.” Hmmn, I hope he’s enjoy Greece and eating plenty of backlava. He’s still costing the Hawks’ a “cap hit” to own his rights. And to continue owning those rights, Atlanta must submit a “qualifying offer,” as best I understand it. And the offer “counts” against the cap, even if Childress continues to suit up in Greece.

Dr.Nunna Yo Bizznezz

March 26th, 2009
10:21 pm

as for me,im not a hawks hater..and i know u didn’t come out and call me that personally but,like i said,im not a hawks hater but i hate not doing the obvious to better your situation..
last year,woodson’s excuse for not playing his bench was that he didn’t have one..
And in a pre-season interview with gm rick sund,he stated that this year,that not having players to come off the bench would be one of woodson’s least worries…

And,i forgot who said it earlier but,i love the play of mario west..And he should have played more,well,played against the celtics in the playoffs last year..he should have been on rondo..and we should have kept him on tp,as he was doing a good job at slowing the advancement of him bringing the ball up the court and that led to the spurs having less time on the clock to run their offense..but,u know what,they still did and they won..woodson could have musterd up a better plan on defense after seeing that tp was having a time with mario guarding him,but he pulled him out for bibby,thinking that bibby could even slow him down,which is absurd..

and as for ac,and flip,they should have went right on tp and make him work on d,and bring the ball up also..with the young fresh legs on the bench running,running,and running,tp would not have had the legs midway thru the 3rd i bet..

And,most of all,we need a center..thats the only fault i have with rick sund,but,i think that with solo and randolph morris (who played shaq well earlier in the season)on the team and the trade deadline coming or passed,lol,i don’t know..but,he is letting woodson know that he already has his centers,he just has to play them..


March 27th, 2009
6:42 am

brendan dont go balistic over something that isnt. chills is on the books only and it is costing the hawks nothing for him to be there. they ahve said publicly within the last week on 680 by none other than sund himself that if they had been able to get chills for less than greece but the upper end of what he was asking for they wold not have gotten either flip or mo and would have had a roster of only 13 players. he made a big deal almost spoke of it as an accomplishment of the fact that the hawks were carrying a full roster of 15 for the first time in the history of present ownership because they didnt sign him.

that “money” you speak of is only monopoly money that will help them if they decide to trade him and keeps him for that purpose. they are not hostage to him and his “salary ” on the books as if they didnt want him. they could have given him his out right release. they can still trade him for another two years, i think, according to the collective bargain and get something in return. again, it is to their advantage also then to keep him on the roster at NO true expense.

the real cap hit in real over spent dollars is bibby who is costing the team 15 mil and though helping mightily the most overpaid this side of detroit. speedy is probably a hit as well though i think they will try to get it back in insurance dollars in spite of speedy’s claim recently he is ready to play. again brendon and whoever thinks along your line, the hawks were not going to spend anything more than they did. chills costs us nothing in real dollars or in the ability to get someone else, they werent going to spend it. it was one of the reasons they played it so close to the vest and almost lost josh. if the sixers had made their first play instead of brand the hawks would be among the also rans without him is my guess. sometimes you just get lucky because of the other guys stupidity. over the next six years who will be the more productive player? i’d say josh.


March 27th, 2009
9:28 am

Folks we are only waiting for the inevitable…an exit from the playoffs. The problem with sports fanatics is that every year we always have hope and high expectations for that championship, then reality hits and we start b*tching and the pointing of fingers follow.

This team gets beat by elite teams cause they 1) dont have a big man and 2) dont get enough rest and the fourth quarter showed that. Coach Woodson does not know how to utilize his bench. He will never get past the 2nd round they way he manages his bench!

I have a used car in my drive way, its 8 years old, but you know what? I dont just let it sit there and walk past it everyday, no, i drive it to the mall or to the store to get milk. And when things are going easy, i take it for a nice Sunday drive. You know…keep some life in it.

Now when its time to hit the freeway and i need to get someplace but keep up with the faster traffic, then i drive the vehicle thats capable of keeping up! The morale of that story? You cannot drive two vehicles at one time, but you can use them both when they are needed. Until Woody learns how to use that bench, 1st or 2nd round at OUT.

They are going to have to make some big decisions during the offseason which “should” not only be about the players but coaching was well. This team does NOT have what it takes, NOT. THIS. YEAR. Dont care how you all look at it…thats the reality of it people.


March 27th, 2009
10:35 am


March 27th, 2009
9:28 am

STETCH, I understand that you are a Woody Hater along with Schultz, but the man has done an excellent job with what he has. In Atlanta’s bench with Mario West, Thomas Gardner, Solomon Jones, Randolph Morris, and Othello Hunter are just not NBA level at this time. I understand you have your favorites and your loyalty, but Woodson has reality. He’s trying to win games and put an exciting product on the floor.

You open with a realistic point that the lack of a big man as this teams #1 deficiency. That is true. It’s hard to develop experiments and projects without a center to cover their inexperience by keeping the other team in check so they don’t run up the score while the developmental squad is in.

The reality is we need a center and most of our developmental issues will clear up.

The bottom line is the Hawks with Woody at the helms are achievers. The only reason they won’t get out of the second round is because of a lack talent (ala Zaza watch this turnover Pachulia) at the 5 spot not because of the project player’s development, they are getting adequate playing time considering the talent level.

The hawks are 2 players away from competing for the title. They need a center and another star. How about Camby and Amare Stodimire? Let’s trade all your development players and go after a championship? Let have an attitude of winning instead of divisiveness. Woodson has done an excellent job and the Hawks are playing at or above their talent level. Which means Woody is getting the job done.

Schultz, don’t hate congratulate.

Jeff Schultz

March 27th, 2009
11:54 am

Snowman: I never realized Josh was “my boy,” but thanks for the updated. I’ll make a note of it in my “agenda.”

NRBQ: Marvin’s been out for a while now, and the play of Flip Murray and Mo Evans has compensated, at least to some degree – but, right, he was playing his best basketball when he got hurt.

Truth: Yes, the Hawks need a center. I think we have common ground there. … By the way: “don’t hate congratulate.” You’re a poet and don’t know it.


March 27th, 2009
1:24 pm

As a Celtic fan, this is what kills me about the Hawks. They stink up the joint Wednesday against SA with no Duncan and a limited Ginobili. They get blown out in Cleveland, the game was not even as close as the final score indicated. But watch how they come out tonight and play hard against us as if their life depended on it. Then they will whimper and get whupped by the Lakers. The Celtics are not the only team on your schedule Atlanta Hawks, but when you are the champs, it comes with the territory. Good luck, and its not a rivalry!


March 27th, 2009
2:03 pm

Hey Y’all:

Everything is going to be alright with our Hawks. They have the tendancy to plying to the level of the competition. Therefore, expect these games against the Celtics and the Lakers to be nitty-gritty games with the HawKs showing out. I see us winning these two games. Yes, I said it. I see us winning these two games. We arr not a weak team. We have the players to compete and win every night. Playing these caliber of teams only makes us stronger. Our players are not young anymore. Nor should they be in awe of any team and/or player that steps on the floor with them. They seen and played them before and won. The hawks are a better team than last year. The have Flip Murray and Moe Evans. These players add a new dimension to the Hawks. they not only allow our starters to rest, they can even contribute more than our starters in their scoring capability. These Hawks are solid and they are ready to make a move. Believe me, they are going to make a real big dent in the playoff. Hey we are still in “SHOCK THE WORLD”
mold. Let’s get it on.

This is a SECRET from a HAWK FAN. TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





March 27th, 2009
8:06 pm

Your first commentor, Dr. Warren, pretty much nailed it: “We all know the Hawks aren’t on the level of Cleveland, SA, Boston, and LA. We’ve had all season–hell, the past 10 years–to learn that. They may very well lose all four games. Let’s just hope they can hold off Miami for the #4 spot. If they do, and are able to get out of Round 1, we should all be satisfied. The top teams all have one bonafide superstar + one star. The Hawks have one star–Joe Johnson–and several good players. That ain’t enough, folks.”

With TWO GLARING EXCEPTIONS: (1) We should NOT be satisfied with only being able to get through Round 1, and (2) it’s been far longer than “the past 10 years.” In fact, it’s been the entire 40-plus years–since they moved to Atlanta–that the Hawks have NEVER (not even once) made it past the second round of the playoffs. That’s a record of futility matched by very few. So to those of you who are critical of those of us who are skeptical: Shut your yaps! Let’s first see if this team really amounts to anything when it counts (in the postseason)–or if it lets us down yet again–before we pass judgement.

Jeff Schultz

March 27th, 2009
8:58 pm

Anybody else watching this game now? Sitting on my couch with a cold. Hawks down by 10 at halftime.