Ben Carson proclaims himself a martyr

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Barack Obama has never claimed that his political opponents were motivated by racism. Others may have occasionally made that argument on his behalf, but Obama himself has never done so. However, his conservative opponents love to condemn him for it anyway.

Ben Carson, the black neurosurgeon from Baltimore who has become the latest conservative flavor of the month, clearly doesn’t hesitate to play the race card. In a radio interview Tuesday, he claimed that liberals who criticized his recent comments on gay marriage “are the most racist people there are because they put you in a little category, a box. ‘How could you dare come off the plantation?’”

“They want to shut us up completely, and that’s why the attacks against me have been so vicious,” Carson said in a talk radio interview. “I represent an existential threat to them. They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me, they can’t find anything else to delegitimize me, so they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I’m a bigot.”

His self-aggrandizement aside, Carson poses an existential threat to nobody in politics but himself. As impressive as he is as a neurosurgeon, he is no more qualified for high public office than he is to play center field for the Baltimore Orioles. In fact, Carson is more interesting because of what his sudden Fox-driven popularity tells us about the conservative movement than he is as a political neophyte with no future.

Take, for example, his comments on gay marriage. As Carson put it:

“(Marriage) is a well-established fundamental pillar of society. And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

Now, there is certainly a market for people in public life willing to equate gay Americans to child sex abusers or to those who have sex with animals. However, that market is not large enough to make a person a serious or even marginal candidate for president, and in fact that market is shrinking by the day.

There is also a small market for politicians — and that’s what Carson is acting like — who say silly and stupid things and then play victim when they’re called on it. Sarah Palin is one example; Herman Cain is another. Such behavior plays into a conservative world view that holds that their failure to dominate the political world can be explained only by a liberal media out to get them, by an ACORN-led voting conspiracy, by a 47 percent bought and paid for by the government, by the fact the sun got in their eyes, etc.

Their real problem is the silly things they do and say, but that explanation isn’t to be considered –ironic, given their rhetorical emphasis on taking personal responsibility.

To cite another example, let’s look at Carson’s suggested alternative to invading Afghanistan in the wake of Sept. 11. According to the neurosurgeon, President Bush should not have responded militarily back in 2001 but instead should have made a speech in which he promised to wean the United States from foreign oil within a decade.

As Carson put it:

“And that would’ve been much more effective than going to war because, first of all, the moderate Arab states would’ve been terrified. And they would’ve handed over Osama Bin Laden and anybody else we wanted on a silver platter to keep us from doing that.”

Now maybe I’m a racist. Maybe I’m just trying to shut Carson up because he poses “an existential threat” to liberal policies. But in the wake of Sept. 11, I do not believe that a speech on oil imports would have been a sufficient response by President Bush. I think it reflects a startling naivete.

Carson has also said that of course he supports giving illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship, because “that’s the only humane and reasonable thing to do.” I happen to agree with him on that issue, but the fact that many conservatives either do not know where he stands or do not care — they’re more excited about the validation he offers to them as victims — says a lot about how seriously to take him as a political leader.

– Jay Bookman

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Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
7:22 am

Before I read the above, I want to repost this…

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/

Everybody needs to see…

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
7:25 am

Well….as we all know….politics ain’t brain surgery.

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:26 am

mornin’.

Ben Carson, the black neurosurgeon from Baltimore

Ok, right at the start, the question I’ve got to ask:

Anyone NOT like butter on their popcorn?

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:27 am

I solemnly swear not to enjoy this one too much.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
7:28 am

stands

lotsa butter, popcorn salt AND junior mints please.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
7:31 am

Well…Carlson does seem like a more eloquent version of Herman Cain….and I bet he knows what “Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan” is too…

ByteMe - Got ilk?

April 3rd, 2013
7:34 am

Ok, I must have missed something:

WHO nominated this guy as a “political leader”? I thought he was just a doctor who was being asked not to give a commencement speech because he was a bigot. When did he get to be a “political leader”?

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
7:39 am

“Prior to his Fox News stint, Carson enjoyed a sterling reputation his work as a pediatric neurosurgeon. In recent days though, a colleague from John Hopkins told Media Matters that Carson’s anti-gay comments made him look “nasty, petty and ill-informed,” while students at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine requested that Carson be removed as this year’s commencement speaker. (A guest on Hannity last night said Carson had “ruined his name” after Sean Hannity had worked so hard to elevate him.)

The surgeon’s tumble from the Fox pedestal captures the cycle of futility that the cable channel has mastered in recent years in its never-ending pursuit to prop up challengers to President Obama. And its never-ending pursuit to find a lazy shortcut for launching candidates. (Think: Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, and Herman Cain, among others.)

But not only did Carson badly stumble with his shocking comments about marriage equality, but as we’ve seen from this predictable model, he’s also been turned into a professional victim by the right-wing media, whose practitioners like nothing better than ignoring substantive debates in order to complain about alleged biases in the press coverage. (All the while being careful not to actually repeat or explain what Carson’s scandalous remarks were, of course.)”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/ben-carson-fox-news_b_2998799.html?utm_hp_ref=media

“He coulda been a contenda”
~Thomas “Brando” Jefferson

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
7:39 am

ByteMe: He is a perfect example of how desperate teh Republicans are. THAT is how he got to be a “political leader.”

GB

April 3rd, 2013
7:39 am

Barack Obama has never claimed that his political opponents were motivated by racism. Others may have occasionally made that argument on his behalf, but Obama himself has never done so.

OCCASIONALLY!?

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:40 am

they’re more excited about the validation he offers to them as victims

Ok, to state the obvious, but to touch upon something Jay’s not yet mentioned–or, perhaps, about which he disagrees (I don’t think it contradicts his overall thesis but maybe it does)?

All of us rational folk who, for about five years, have been rolling our eyes at, and trying our damnedest not to take the bait of, conservatives who have been informing us that we “worship” Obama as some kind of Messiah (this meme, far as I can tell, dates at least as far back as a lame summer ‘08 McCain ad trying to tap into this notion), those of us who assume that such accusations stem from unabashed projection, the idea that conservatives would, themselves, immediately idolize any even marginally charismatic orator of the black persuasion given the choice?

Well, draw your own conclusions, given the absolutely googly-eyed posts we’ve seen in here the past month or so from the usual suspects re: Dr. Carson. I think those assumptions were dead-on, myself.

(I guess I could go back and find some examples if anyone’s really interested. I seem to think Scout’s were the knee-slapping high-larious, but I might have him mixed up with some other regular. Honestly, everything I know about this doctor, other than what I read at a wiki page yesterday and from Jay this morning, so far, has been informed by these absolutely glowing reports by a few conservatives in these comments pages. There could be a much funnier world out there that I’ve not yet explored, and I appreciate any help that you good folks could provide.)

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:41 am

OCCASIONALLY!?

Percentage wise, yes. Gross-numbers wise, no.

Happy now?

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
7:42 am

The Republican’s gasping grasp for ANYONE to fill the vacuum that is there moral compass and party leaves them with person after person who are exactly like my new little puppy. One keeps having to go check to see if they have left body waste on the floor somewhere………

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 3rd, 2013
7:42 am

Well Carson does know how to play his audience for more money.

Also funny how some of our conned always want to claim ignorance about the “leadership” when they are elected or when they speak at CPAC or when their other conned are repeatedly touting them as the “next one”.

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
7:43 am

GB

April 3rd, 2013
7:39 am

Barack Obama has never claimed that his political opponents were motivated by racism. Others may have occasionally made that argument on his behalf, but Obama himself has never done so.

OCCASIONALLY!?
++++++++++++++++++++

You have a point GB. The talk radio airheads Fox and you puppets are ALWAYS bringing up his race.

Stevie Ray

April 3rd, 2013
7:43 am

JAY

Can’t disagree that the clutching at straws GOP certainly has no hood ornament with this guy.

However it is fact that the left run hard and fast to attack any emerging threat (or perceived one) from the right and fortunately for the libbies, no shortage of fodder is provided. He is correct about the attacks but that’s nothing new.

You have to admit your comment about child molesters or sex with animals comment is cheap and irrelevant….what is that all about? I understand the context but we both know why you slid it in there..very cheap and below you.

I have no problem in retrospect with his comment about foreign oil. I don’t think anyone would immediately respond with that statement above all others as you infer. But a fair public assessment of the entire fact pattern would have served all of us well and likely save a few thousand lifes…perhaps the data leaned on so heavily by Clinton and Bush regarding WMD and the like would have been more properly vetted before jumping out to kill folks immediately.

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
7:44 am

“he is no more qualified for high public office than he is to play center field for the Baltimore Orioles.”

And being a community organizer qualifies you how exactly?????

Why are you tearing down the successful black man Jay? Can’t stand “those people” speaking for the other side or what? Hey, if I’m a racist for not liking Obama’s policies, you’re a racist for not liking Carson’s. You libs made that bed, so lie in it you racists.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 3rd, 2013
7:46 am

Well, I just got three words to say about this Carson:

Right but uppity.

It’s just a pity we can’t find somebody that says the same things but is White.

Not that I’m a rascist or anything like that. It’s just that we’re Republicans, dang it, and we got our honor to uphold.

Have a good Hump Day everybody.b

Jay

April 3rd, 2013
7:46 am

Yes, occasionally, GB. The number of times that Obama defenders have made that argument is many many times smaller than the number of times conservatives have complained about it.

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
7:47 am

Maybe if this aggrandizing egomaniac spent as much time with his patients and perfecting his craft as he does trying to grab the camera’s he TOO could be one of the top Doctors in his field………..

I have nothing but contempt for crappy doctors who turn to politics.

http://tinyurl.com/d2kx8ft

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:48 am

The talk radio airheads Fox and you puppets are ALWAYS bringing up his race.

Dunno about “always.” Anyway, this becomes a rather tiresome chicken-or-egg argument.

Yes, Obama’s biracial heritage becomes a topic of discussion and dispute rather frequently.

No, it is not the primary reason a majority of people either support or dismiss him.

I have always thought, however, that the right wing would be far more likely to accommodate–to affirmatively act upon, if you will!–a similarly competent, charismatic politician of African American heritage than would the nation’s “left” (it’s not really left, but you all know what I mean), for a lot of reasons, some of them complex, some not-so-much.

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:49 am

And being a community organizer qualifies you how exactly?

Thanks for once again completely disqualifying yourself from the topic at hand, RB.

You’ve got quite the Cal-Ripkenesque streak going.

Bill Orvis White

April 3rd, 2013
7:49 am

Dr. Carson is a real man who possesses a solid understanding of the issues of the day. It takes a real man like Dr. Carson to stand up to this installed-administration to deliver the truth about its illegal health care plan that has been shoved down this once-free nation’s collective throat. It takes a real man to tell the truth about how this once-free nation NEEDS to embrace the true meaning and definition of traditional marriage and family. It takes a real man to explain that if this once-free nation allows gay marriage, then why not allow man-boy love, bestiality and any other perverted behavior that is out there? Now, just like Dr. Carson, me and millions of others freely admit that we are not politically correct as defined by the ObamaMedia. Me and millions of others in this once-free nation ARE the majority. We believe in speaking out for the truth no matter the consequences. It takes a real man to call out the liberals as to what they truly are: bigots and racists. What? Yes, liberals are bigots and racists because all they think about is pointing out the differences between all of us and then try to shove ridiculous unconstitutional mandates upon us like the bogus Affirmative Action, Social Insecurity, Mediraid, Mediscare, the racist Department of Miseducation and the draconian Environmental Protection Agency.

Dr. Carson is real man and leader. I pray that Dr. Carson WILL run for high office and help to bring back the things that made America a great nation and leader in the world.

GOOD NIGHT and Amen,
Bill

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
7:51 am

You have to admit your comment about child molesters or sex with animals comment is cheap and irrelevant

JAY’S comment? Wow. That was selective and stupid even for you. Dr. CARSON is the one who made the comment. MANBLA is an organization for child molesters is it not? Do I have to define bestiality for you? As Dr. Carson Said:

“(Marriage) is a well-established fundamental pillar of society. And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

You need to work harder at your transference and twisting of words pal, you are getting kind of boring and silly now and not making a lick of sense. Your credibility is waning.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
7:52 am

Racist? Me? Hell no!

I support your right to NASCAR, even tho I think formula 1 is sexier.

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
7:53 am

And for anyone inclined to carry RB’s fetid water, Obama’s 11 years as a state legislator and 4 years as a US Senator say “go eff yourself.”

Dr. Carson has never once held elective office. He (and his supporters) have no inkling whatsoever of how he would do if he were to run for something as modest as (say) a Maryland legislator. To suggest that he could leapfrog to running for President–as apparently sentient humans are doing–bespeaks an almost child-like naive quality.

Nobody since Dwight Eisenhower has accomplished such a feat. Have at it, Dr. Carson, if you really want to believe what people are telling you. (I don’t know much about the guy, but I suspect he is a lot smarter than that.)

Jay

April 3rd, 2013
7:53 am

“You have to admit your comment about child molesters or sex with animals comment is cheap and irrelevant….what is that all about? I understand the context but we both know why you slid it in there..very cheap and below you.”

What?

I didn’t make the original comment. Carson did. On national TV. If somebody being touted as a national political leader makes a statement that ridiculous on a national forum, it is hardly cheap or irrelevant to call him on it.

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
7:54 am

Mr. Carson,

“They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me, they can’t find anything else to delegitimize me, so they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I’m a bigot.”

No one has to make it seem you are a bigot…you are one. The reason I call you a bigot is that you, your party and all the people like you are trying to make me, my life and my family subject to your opinion and/or religious belief.

What makes you a bigot is that you are trying to deny me and my family the legal protections that you claim for your own. Marriage equality will not harm you. Marriage inequality does harm me. You fight against something that has no direct effect on your life and has considerable effect upon mine. It is that simple.

That is what makes you a bigot…not just seem like one.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

April 3rd, 2013
7:55 am

“They want to shut us up completely….”

ohhh no kemosabe. The LAST thang we want to do is shut you up dude
Please oh please keep talking cons, and roll camera

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
7:55 am

“Thanks for once again completely disqualifying yourself from the topic at hand, RB. ”

Yea, so Jay can post that being a neurosurgeon doesn’t qualify Carson to be in politics, but somehow me pointing out Obama’s “community organizer” background didn’t qualify him to be in politics is bad???? Is Jay disqualfied from posting any more too or are you just full of crap?

I’m going with “you’re full of crap”!!

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
7:57 am

I bet the Conservative Right would fall all over themselves if, say, Rick Santorum was to suddenly wake up Black..Like in the movie “Watermelon Man”… :)

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
7:59 am

“And for anyone inclined to carry RB’s fetid water, Obama’s 11 years as a state legislator and 4 years as a US Senator say “go eff yourself.””

And his qualifications to become a state legislator were what exactly? If you can’t read, you should refrain from posting stupidity.

Jerome Horwitz

April 3rd, 2013
8:00 am

At one point slavery and Jim Crow laws were pillars of society also. This guys a tool.

Fred – Did you ever get to see the John Adams series? Like it?

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:00 am

“There is also a small market for politicians — and that’s what Carson is acting like — who say silly and stupid things and then play victim when they’re called on it. Sarah Palin is one example; Herman Cain is another. Such behavior plays into a conservative world view that holds that their failure to dominate the political world can be explained only by a liberal media out to get them, by an ACORN-led voting conspiracy, by a 47 percent bought and paid for by the government, by the fact the sun got in their eyes, etc.”

That paragraph is the Fibber McGee’s closet of liberal talking points.

Dr Carson isn’t a politician – although it’s beginning to sound like it’s his new aspiration. Blame / credit Fox News for that, like you said, Bookman.

He doesn’t appear to be a particularly compelling guy, although his personal story is a good one.

But a female or minority with broad appeal who happens to be conservative does scare liberals. It seems to me, that’s why they attack any of the kind with such zeal – whether their actual viability as a candidate warrants it or not.

One of basic tenets of modern liberalism – embraced by the current democrats – is that if it wasn’t for them, both groups would still be largely disenfranchised.

What’s the best rejoinder to that talking point? Conservative women and minorities. The party of inclusion understands this.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
8:00 am

Carlson might do well to remember Dirty Harry’s byline…”A man’s got to know his limitations”…

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
8:01 am

And his qualifications to become a state legislator were what exactly?

Here’s a shovel RB. You know what to do.

You are so good at it, I don’t even need to direct you any more.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:01 am

RB

Community organization is a VERY BIG deal in politics. Those who are best at it win.

It’s called the ground game.

Ever knock on doors for a cause or a candidate?

You get a community behind you, then the city, then the state and then the nation.

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:01 am

Yea, so Jay can post that being a neurosurgeon doesn’t qualify Carson to be in politics, but somehow me pointing out Obama’s “community organizer” background didn’t qualify him to be in politics is bad????

The very lie at the HEART of your lie is what is so funny. Community organizing as you put it IS politics. Yet you also ignore the tiem he spent as a Stsate legislature, US Senator and now even MORE importantly as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

How much more qualified to be President can you be than to be a SECOND TERM PRESIDENT????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. The denial is strong with this one.

kayaker 71

April 3rd, 2013
8:01 am

Let the demonizing begin. Just as predicted, this the first of many threads on how this Uncle Tom is nothing but a GOP shill with a patronizing message. I thought it would take a bit longer for Bookman to post the first one but so be it. Bookman, you might want to view that idiot commentator form CNN who had some pretty choice things to say about Carson. Not only were his comments untrue but were nauseating, inappropriate and misspoken. Bookman, now you enter the company of that little turd from CNN, whats his name, Touche’ or something like that. What you have posted on this thread is all your own opinion. You are certainly free to have one, as I am, but don’t call it truth. If I support Carson’s entrance into higher echelon politics, does that mean that I am no longer a RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST, but you are for criticizing my black candidate? Can’t have it both ways my friend, although you try often enough…. you certainly do.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
8:03 am

RB, your hatred of President Obama has made you look sad…kinda like this guy…

► 6:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7-EEGiABBU

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
8:03 am

“And his qualifications to become a state legislator were what exactly?”

Why aren’t you asking that of the illustrious creatures under the Gold Dome?

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:04 am

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013

You don’t get it at all…..Carson, Palin et al…..they are ridiculous not scarey.

Boo!

BitterEXdemocrackkk

April 3rd, 2013
8:04 am

…’nothing lieberals FEAR MORE than a BLACK conservative’ !!! google it and watch the Allen West
speech at CPAC !!!

Dr. Carson is the fear of Bookman right here…

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:04 am

Kayaker 71

You played the Uncle Tom card!

How funny!

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
8:04 am

And to state the bleedin’ obvious for those who are still allowing the morning coffee to do its magic:

so Jay can post that being a neurosurgeon doesn’t qualify Carson to be in politics

RB. Can you read? Can you read where I was taking to task those who thought he should be running for P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T starting, say, yesterday? Did you note that I was suggesting it would be useful to see how he was in a more modest trial run before suggesting such a thing?

I’m thinking not. I’m thinking you are so off-the-rails indignant at any of your own echo-chamber-driven beliefs being challenged that you cannot possibly think straight, and you constantly prove me right.

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:06 am

But a female or minority with broad appeal who happens to be conservative does scare liberals.

And there I STOPPED. It’s you talk radio FOXBOTS who live a life of fear. EVERYTHING scares you timid little souls. Almost ever caller starts with” Well Rush I’m scared of ……. Well Sean it really scares me that……..

Live your petty little life afraid of everything. Of minorities, gay couples, liberals whatever. But leave ME out of your crappy fear filled generalizations.

Or better yet, grow a set of balls and quit being afraid of everything and trying to transfer and project your irrational phobias onto us thinking productive humans.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:06 am

Then Granny, why do so many waste so much time vilifying those so ridiculous as to render them harmless?

GT

April 3rd, 2013
8:07 am

Apparently the new party policy of the right is to call the left “vicious”.

Someone, getting paid the big bucks over there is the red meat nation, has figure out what you do is run a polls, a real one this time. If you find out the other side object to you being, whatever the volume of information tells them America feels about the right; you label the left that, same thing. Their label de jour is “vicious”. I have seen it bubble up a few times this last few weeks. They like to leave the impression that this physically aggressive subculture is being preyed upon by the left. Now if we are talking mentally it is a little hard not to run over clogged traffic on the way to productive activity, a word hardly ever used for the right. But “vicious” like in mad dogs from a group who invented wrestling and NASCAR, reality television, tattoos, biggie fries, gun racks, and high rise trucks who are these people fooling?

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:07 am

I would suggest that the Republicans are the ones afraid of black conservatives.

They might actually have to get together and elect another one of “those people”.

Funnnnneeeeee!

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:08 am

What is the over and under about how many times the FOXBOT talk radio idiots will cry “FEAR” in the next 2 hours?

Ronin

April 3rd, 2013
8:09 am

While I’m no conservative I’ve got to call B.S. on this statement by Jay: “he is no more qualified for high public office than he is to play center field for the Baltimore Orioles.” The man has above average intelligence, he has actually done something to help others with his foundation. In order to survive in media driven politics today, you truly have to be a political animal with a full time management team. Most of you blogging are just as qualified as the current POTUS to hold office.

As to his point about the far left, Dr. Carson is correct. The far left is the most intolerant group on the planet, followed closely by the far right.

Oh, and Fred as to your comment about crappy doctors that turn political, that’s nothing when compared to crappy lawyers that turn to politics. It gives us the gridlocked system that we have today.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:09 am

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:06 am

Then Granny, why do so many waste so much time vilifying those so ridiculous as to render them harmless?
.
.
.
I reject the term villify.

And most are actually already harmless.

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
8:09 am

Why do “conservative” think anyone who disagrees with their opinion is “scared” of it? I see this all the time…liberals are scared of Sarah Palin, scared of John McCain, scared of Rick Santorum, now scared of this guy.

I guess it speaks silent volumes to the psyche of “conservatives”.

Generation EBT er

April 3rd, 2013
8:09 am

Anyone with the swag knows this fool is an Uncle Tom and nothing but a token n

Pizzaman

April 3rd, 2013
8:10 am

Wow! I thought there was only one black republican.

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:10 am

Granny, quit saying Boo!. Every time you do 20 Cons on the blog crap themselves and have to go change their depends. You are wasting resources lol.

kayaker 71

April 3rd, 2013
8:10 am

GG, 8:07,

None of this is “funnnnnneeee!” Perhaps in your own twisted way, there is some humor in it. Some people will laugh at anything.

Generation EBT er

April 3rd, 2013
8:11 am

Freddy your brain is rotted to the bore.

Keyser Soze

April 3rd, 2013
8:11 am

Called this two weeks ago. Wondering when the first Bookman article on Carson was going to be and ta da…….

Thanks for not disappointing.

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
8:11 am

watch the Allen West
speech at CPAC !!!

y’see, Obama gave a great speech too. In 2002. He was a mere state senator. He rode that pony to an improbable US Senate win (thank you, Jeri Ryan, for refusing your husband’s request to have sex in public!) two years later. Couple years LATER, he ran for President. That is called publicly “vetting” a candidate, like it or not.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:12 am

Nice dodge, Granny. Flip the argument 180 degrees.

And remember Herman Cain? I think he was the leading candidate among the truest of the true believers until his personal peccadillos torpedoed his chances.

DannyX

April 3rd, 2013
8:13 am

“But a female or minority with broad appeal who happens to be conservative does scare liberals.”

Broad appeal? How did that work out for Cain?

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:13 am

K 71

No it is very funny…..So sad is the plight of the humor impaired.

Boo Hoo.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:13 am

Granny, I retract my “dodge” charge. The perils of delayed conversation.

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
8:13 am

“RB. Can you read? Can you read where I was taking to task those who thought he should be running for P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T starting, say, yesterday? ”

Yea, I read just fine. Jay posted that Carson wasn’t qualified to be in politics and I responded to that. There was nothing about PRESIDENT in Jay’s post or my reply, but if you want to think you’re important enough that all replies on this board are all about you, go ahead. Tool.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:14 am

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:12 am

No dodge, No argument.

Like them…you are mostly harmless too.

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
8:14 am

Beat the black man down, libs. Beat him down all day. Make sure he knows not to get off the reservation next time. Just like your man Robert Byrd used to do.

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
8:15 am

“And remember Herman Cain? I think he was the leading candidate among the truest of the true believers”

And was NEVER an actual viable candidate for the Presidency outside of the hard core Republican base. Just a flavor du jour thanks to impossibly long primary season.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 3rd, 2013
8:15 am

Most of you blogging are just as qualified as the current POTUS to hold office

Well yes that is the belief of the GOP and that accounts for stages full of people at GOP debates. But I don’t think the GOP base will go for my political style and I certainly do not have the qualifications of Hillary Clinton or even Elizabeth Warren.

Your real name is not Elmer Fudd is it? Because I have heard about this wonderful political future you have in the GOP.

Stevie Ray

April 3rd, 2013
8:15 am

Jay

April 3rd, 2013
7:53 am

Sorry Jay I simply couldn’t believe he would actually say something like that..That’s well…JB Stoneresque.

My bad..defies any logic…

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:16 am

Freddy your brain is rotted to the bore.

Well you cowardly sock puppet, I think the majority of folks would look at you hiding behind yet ANOTHER alt tossing out insults and then look at me and decide otherwise. But thanks for taking the time to make up a new name to stalk me. It let me know you fear me.

BOO

Mick

April 3rd, 2013
8:17 am

Gotta love it….put yourself out there mr. carson and get elected! All you loser wingnuts on the right gloss over the fact that obama ran very effective campaigns and got ELECTED!!! It is not that easy, just ask elmer fudd or other names that get dropped into the hat.
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Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:17 am

DannyX,
I guess I was trying to say that neither Palin nor Cain have broad, national appeal. Both are darlings of the far right. Yet still libs expend a lot of their precious ordnance firing salvos their way. Why bother?

And if DHS continues it’s spending spree, that ordnance will be more precious.

JamVet

April 3rd, 2013
8:18 am

And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.

The imbecilic, moronic, misguided and stupid comment of the month.

And the sycophantic RB and 71 should be demonizing (LOL!) such senseless words.

I’ll try and find that part of his CPAC speech where he does his George Walker Bush imitation of mangling a famous quote from Abraham Lincoln.

This guy is gonna make Herman Cain look look like Frederick Douglas…

vinny

April 3rd, 2013
8:18 am

“flavor of the month” Jay? Isn’t that just a tad, racist?

The only reason why the turbo-bedwetters are tearing this guy down is because he dared to tell America just how bad obumbles-care really is. Tell us Jay, is he qualified to speak to that?

JohnnyReb

April 3rd, 2013
8:19 am

Growing more sickening by the day is this pedastal on which Liberals have put themselves, and that includes you Jay.

It is an out-right lie to state that the Left does not go after blacks and women who oppose their idiology. You can’t cover their actions with words.

Carson may be a naive politician, and he may have some views not embraced by all Conservatives. However, he has been welcomed in the Conservative ranks. He is belittled and vilified by the Left – he’s black, how dare he.

HDB

April 3rd, 2013
8:19 am

Carson is about to learn how it really is being the “black sheep” of the GOP family!

….and for those who keep believing that liberals are afraid of black conservatives….it’s not fear…in some cases, (as Mr T. would say…)..”We pity the fools!” What too many people fail to note that black people have always had conservative leanings (work, family, religion…), but the preponderance of us have noted that POLITICAL conservatism is based in racism….and when we see those black conservatives regurgitating that same political TRIPE….what else would one expect!! Remember: there is such an entity as an “educated FOOL”……..

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
8:19 am

“Yet still libs expend a lot of their precious ordnance firing salvos their way. Why bother?”

Because their buffoonery has entertainment value. Kinda like using a laser pointer with a cat.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:20 am

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
8:14 am

Beat the black man down, libs. Beat him down all day. Make sure he knows not to get off the reservation next time. Just like your man Robert Byrd used to do.
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Bless your heart.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

April 3rd, 2013
8:20 am

GT – “Their label de jour is “vicious”.

yep, and their codeword for every crazything they say and do is “silly”

see that? see what they’re doing there? sure you do.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:20 am

Granny,
You seem to suffer under the delusion that flinging insults is part of a strong argument.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
8:21 am

I don’t understand how the claim that the media vilifies people like Cain, Palin, Carson, etc.

It is not the media that puts the dumb statements into their mouths; the media just reports the words. Bottom line, it is the person who says stupid things that vilifies himself.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 3rd, 2013
8:21 am

Beat the black man down, libs. Beat him down all day. Make sure he knows not to get off the reservation next time.

Why RB, I bet you haven’t said something like that since you left Rock Ridge. Especially for someone who whines about having to pay minimum wages and healthcare insurance :roll:

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 3rd, 2013
8:22 am

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
8:14 am

RB,
You ARE a hoot, son…

jewcowboy

April 3rd, 2013
8:22 am

“It is an out-right lie to state that the Left does not go after blacks and women who oppose their idiology.”

Psst…the left also goes after old white men who oppose their ideology…it’s called politics. I hear the right does the same thing.

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:23 am

go after….

attack…

villify….

Yep, all us commie, socialist, kenyan-usurping , American haters know all about that.

snicker

Welcome to the Occupation

April 3rd, 2013
8:24 am

“But in the wake of Sept. 11, I do not believe that a speech on oil imports would have been a sufficient response by President Bush. I think it reflects a startling naivete.”

Actually, I think it’s you who are naive here, Jay. The notion that only a muscular military response was appropriate to 9/11 is very narrow and represents a liberal reflex that is not far removed from the neocon response which carried the day. The interesting thing about Carson’s statement is that it represents some tiny sliver of light of recognition that the event of 9/11 gave us as a nation an opportunity not to simply react out of reflex, but rather to engage in some minimal reflection, which is what making a move towards weaning ourselves off fossil fuels would represent. Of course Carson doesn’t make clear how sincere such a gesture would have been, whether it would have just been a bluff, etc., but that a so-called conservative would even venture it is interesting in itself.

What would have been most appropriate of all after 9/11 of course would have been for our leadership to make some gestures of sincere soul-searching on the matter of our cynical and ruthless meddling in foreign countries during the Cold War, such as the mujahedin who later became Al Qaeda – you know, the so-called “blowback” thesis. And maybe even a little contrition and making amends would have been in order. No that wouldn’t have been a substitute for national security or even possibly military action abroad. But Carson’s statement should be taken as an index of how shut off we are from anything even approaching a national dialog on our nation’s misdeeds abroad. The REAL naivete is the idea that we can continue to posture as being primarily a doer of good around the world without ever taking responsibility for our shortcomings.

Mick

April 3rd, 2013
8:24 am

Cons loved it when dr. carson supposedly put down obama in some speech while the president was sitting a few feet away. Nothing to do with race but everything to do with free speech and monday morning quarterbacking. If dr. carson wants to talk the talk, then he needs to walk the walk and get elected to office and contribute his ideas to actual policy. Until then, yes, he is the flavor of the month. Benghazi!!!!

Granny Godzilla

April 3rd, 2013
8:24 am

Escaped from Email Purgatory

April 3rd, 2013
8:20 am

Granny,
You seem to suffer under the delusion that flinging insults is part of a strong argument.
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Nope.

Just the fun part. Us fat ugly liberal chicks have nothing better to do….

snicker

Fred ™

April 3rd, 2013
8:25 am

JCB: Exactly. This silly little man mistakes “precious ordinance” for them being the obviuos butt of self inflicted jokes.

“I can see Russia from my house, doncha know…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVwLvRa_to

George

April 3rd, 2013
8:26 am

Jay….geeeeze… what’s up with the knee jerk reaction to a new player on the other side? The mans a good speaker and straight talker who people find a bit refreshing. I know that you have the Red Guard always in attendance in this blog that you have to pitch to, but come on. The proletariat will not be harmed listening to a non-teleprompter needing speaker giving his view. Your paranoia is not justified.

RB from Gwinnett

April 3rd, 2013
8:26 am

And to the NAMBLA and beastiality quote, if you want to allow gays to claim they were born that way, you MUST also claim the NAMBLA and beastiality people were born that way too. You cannot believe one without believing the other.

Period.

JamVet

April 3rd, 2013
8:27 am

It is an out-right lie to state that the Left does not go after blacks and women who oppose their idiology (sic). You can’t cover their actions with words.

Johnny, here is a GIANT, ENORMOUS, GARGANTUAN mirror for you. Use it. (And for gawdsakes, use a spellchecker.)

In the middle

April 3rd, 2013
8:27 am

So…..Only conservatives are accountable for stupid statements, but liberals get a pass, each and every time…

They’re going to put y’all back in chains.” –Joe Biden, speaking to a largely African-American audience in Danville, Va., Aug. 14, 201

kayaker 71

April 3rd, 2013
8:27 am

He just doesn’t fit the mold, does he libs. He had the fortitude to get an college education and then attend medical with help from affirmative action. Grew up in the projects of Detroit where the odds of escaping that hell hole are next to nothing. He attended Johns Hopkins and underwent a grueling seven year program in Pediatric Neurosurgery, one of the most difficult residencies in medicine. Not only that, he became the dept chief and a world recognized lecturer, teacher and writer. He just doesn’t fit the mold. He ought to be out there walking back and forth over Selma Bridge rubbing elbows with John Lewis and Je$$ie and hating the white oppressor. Think that all of those race pimps would let him join the CBC if he ran for Congress and won? He has about as much chance of that as he does for playing center field for Baltimore. You gotta fit the mold. Step outside the box and you are toast. Bookman, that turd from CNN and most of the liberal media will descend en masse on this very talented man and attempt to destroy him. Just like Palin, Cain, Romney and most anyone else who doesn’t fit the liberal mold. It’s not enough to just disagree with him. He has to be destroyed and sent home never to be seen again. The liberal way.

JohnnyReb

April 3rd, 2013
8:29 am

If Carson was not a threat to the Left, this thread would not exist.

The horror of blacks actually embracing Conservatisim is more than bleeding hearts can bare.

stands for decibels

April 3rd, 2013
8:29 am

I thought there was only one black republican.

Some years back I happened upon some GA primary exit polling that indicated about 3% African-American participation in same (no, I don’t have the link.)

Assuming most of these folks weren’t simply crossing over to cast some kind of make-a-statement vote, but legitimate GOP supporters? That’s still a lot of people, if, obviously, a shamefully low percentage of voters in a state that’s about 30% African American.

RB, Jay did not say he was not qualified to be in politics. The phrase he used was “high public office.” A state legislator is not generally thought of as “high public office.”

In the middle

April 3rd, 2013
8:30 am

and again,

“Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see ya.” –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008

Paul

April 3rd, 2013
8:30 am

” many conservatives either do not know where he stands or do not care — they’re more excited about the validation he offers to them as victims — says a lot about how seriously to take him as a political leader.”

Conservatives’ll latch onto anybody like that, it seems. In his Prayer Breakfast speech, Dr. Carson called on conservatives to take care of America’s lower income people by paying for millions of health savings accounts for the, and to keep doing it every single year. He’s in favor of gun control. Now we know he’s in favor of a pathway to citizenship for illegals.

Cons love the a RINO as their best hope for 2016. .

Progress.

And funny, too.

Peadawg

April 3rd, 2013
8:32 am

The race card is so overplayed in today’s society is doesn’t mean anything to me anymore. When someone claims racism b/c I disagree with them, I just laugh.