Immigration issue has always been about cheap labor

It’s fitting that the last remaining obstacle to a Senate immigration deal has been a demand by the Chamber of Commerce and the rest of corporate America, including agriculture, for a large “guest worker” program to continue to provide cheap, docile labor, and for higher immigration quotas for high-tech workers.

That has been the root of this issue from the beginning. Through the 1990s and 2000s, the same political pressures that are now demanding a continued supply of cheap labor had also prevented government from active enforcement of immigration law both at the border and in the workplace.

It was about money and power. Those who had money and power wanted more of both, and illegal immigrants were a tool for achieving it. I mean, what part of “profitable” don’t you understand?

Georgia provides a great example: The housing boom created a need for cheap construction workers, and as long as politically powerful developers and farmers needed their labor, neither the state’s congressional delegation — yes, I’m looking at you, Saxby — nor the state Legislature made even a peep about wanting tighter enforcement. The result is that we now have one of the larger illegal-immigrant communities in the nation, not to mention a Legislature worried about the long-term demographic and political impact of a migration that that they had tacitly welcomed, if under different circumstances.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
7:53 am

I think everything Jay’s posted is bleedin’ obvious. So I’ll just say:

worried about the long-term demographic and political impact of a migration that that they had tacitly welcomed

…couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of lying, cheating bags of vaginal cleansers.

Tundra Dude

April 2nd, 2013
7:53 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
7:53 am

“Immigration issue has always been about cheap labor”
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Well duh.
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Although if I remember correctly………its the progs on the left claiming bigotry or racism.
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lol

Granny Godzilla

April 2nd, 2013
7:58 am

Golly Jay are you suggesting that Georgia leadership would rather pay immigrants a pittance
than to pay a living wage to some of its citizens?

Color me shocked….

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
7:59 am

Well, if they think the cheap tech worker gravy train will continue from India, they need to watch the changes that are taking place over there. Many of those companies are trying to get away from the cheap stuff and move up the chain to bigger and better.

The long-term repercussions of short-term planning always appear to get the best of our esteemed business leaders. Makes one wonder if most of them all trained at the Bob Nardelli School of Business Management.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:04 am

This whole agricuture thing is a scam. The big corporations want Georgia’s farm land. They pour tons of money into the crooked state Gov’t to keep out “migrant” workers. After a couple of years, Georgia farmers go bust the Corporations pick up the farmland a dirt cheap (pun intended) prices and mysteriously the “migrant labor” issue disappears.

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:05 am

As always, the rich and powerful skate. And it’s not as if these slimy builders and bankers here in Georgia are not too big to jail, are they? It’s just that the even more rich and even more powerful who run the show are disinterested in justice among their own.

So as is the Republican way, they vilify the weak and glorify the wicked.

And wayward Heyward, cynicism, is fine. But as a one trick pony?? And lacking wit or intellectual firepower to back it up, it is often boring, predictable and pretty damn juvenile.

Just an observation…

And BTW, to state what a precocious seventh grader can readily see, many of the illegal immigration screeds from the right wing ARE steeped in that nasty bigoted tea…

TaxPayer

April 2nd, 2013
8:05 am

The easier way out of the immigration issues for Georgia and possibly the rest of the US is to create jobs again for the illegal immigrant population. Transform them back into the fun-loving, hard-working, tax-paying but otherwise ignored worker class that we have all come to know and love so much over the past few decades. Okay. Maybe I am being a little snarky but just a little.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 2nd, 2013
8:05 am

Thomas,
That’s like admitting slavery was all about cheap labor… This “Guest Worker” program is more of the same.

Why does our Georgia leadership hate its citizens so? :roll:

bookman parrot

April 2nd, 2013
8:06 am

sorry jay, but from your (lib scumbelly) it is purely political…. about getting votes for Dems… remember when you point at someone else, four fingers are pointing back at yourself…

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:07 am

Although if I remember correctly…

The next time you “remember correctly” about what opinions the “progs” in your midst have expressed will be the first time you “remember correctly” about what opinions the “progs” in your midst have expressed.

But your concern about unfounded allegations of racism is duly noted.

vinny

April 2nd, 2013
8:09 am

Welcome to the Weenie-blog! Let the bedwetting begin!

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:11 am

Makes one wonder if most of them all trained at the Bob Nardelli School of Business Management.

You take that back. Bob Nardelli is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

Anton Chigurh

April 2nd, 2013
8:11 am

This new, shorter, less-thoughtful approach to blogging you have adopted leaves me cold. Hope it’s just an off week and not a new normal.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:12 am

Welcome to the Weenie-blog! Let the bedwetting begin!

It’s ok for you to be incontinent with your talk radio FOXBOT republican fear vinny. We have Depends for you. Pee away.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:12 am

awcrud. Bollocksed the link @ 8.11, which is here.

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:12 am

sorry jay, but from your (lib scumbelly) it is purely political…. about getting votes for Dems…

Projection. I put that s**t on everything.
–Thomas “Frank” Jefferson

Projection. The new other white meat.
–Abraham “Porky” Lincoln

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

Try again dB lol. Your last link:

Apologies, but we were unable to find what you were looking for. Perhaps searching will help.

Jm

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

“Immigration issue has always been about cheap labor”

Disagree, and over-simplification. But nuance is not the specialty of this blog anyway….

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

TaxPayer

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

sorry jay, but from your (lib scumbelly) it is purely political…. about getting votes for Dems… remember when you point at someone else, four fingers are pointing back at yourself…

Republican Voter ID laws say what! It’s POLITICAL! Well just blow me down.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

LOL you were faster than I and fixed it already.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:13 am

but from your (lib scumbelly) it is purely political…

“bookman parrot,” where did you learn to write, so that I make sure to avoid ever setting foot there?

Doggone/GA

April 2nd, 2013
8:15 am

“Welcome to the Weenie-blog! Let the bedwetting begin!”

If you have an overactive bladder…there are drugs for that. Or failing those you can always rely on Depends.

Doggone/GA

April 2nd, 2013
8:15 am

“Disagree, and over-simplification. But nuance is not the specialty of this blog anyway”

And irony runs rampant

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:17 am

vinny

Your obsession with weenies tell us way more than we want to know about you. Jay’s talking about immigration. You may want to wait until June’s SCOTUS decisions to come out of the closet. Or, at least tell your family and close friends first.

teacher

April 2nd, 2013
8:18 am

Karl Marx

April 2nd, 2013
8:19 am

I do hate to agree with Mr. Bookman on anything but in this case he is dead on. See the EOC lawsuit on Hamilton Growers, doing business as Southern Valley Fruit and Vegetable, Inc. for discrimination against US citizens for jobs in agriculture. All because these businesses got a “Federal” tax savings of 8% for hiring illegal immigrants. Buy as much as you can from your local farmer and bypass those large commercial farms when possible.

RB from Gwinnett

April 2nd, 2013
8:20 am

As usual, the liberals fail to give proper due to the issue of employers preferring employees who will actually show up for work and do the work required. And Jay, you know darn well from that interview you did with the restaurant owner that is exactly what he told you is the reason he employs illegals, but since it doesn’t fit the liberal mantra you shovel here every day, you continue to refuse to tell people that.

I suggest you arm-chair employers get off your momma’s sofa and try employing some of the “less fortunate” you seem to think will show up and work if evil greedy employers would just pay them that mythical “living wage” and you’ll very quickly figure out you don’t have a friggin clue.

fedup

April 2nd, 2013
8:21 am

The story is like the “War of the World”. The Martian (big Corps) go wherever they can to suck up the cheap resources and then move on. Some on the right side of the spectrum thinks it is OK. Just a thought.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:21 am

Why do you hate your fellow Americans so much RB?

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:23 am

“Disagree, and over-simplification.

yeah, Jm, I get what you’re saying.

What the country needs are more financial geniuses who shuffle files around, skim a little cut of for themselves, and call what they sell a “product” to explain how this whole immigration / guest worker thing really works, in macro and micro terms.

Clearly Jay is too simple to understand this, and he is just repeating tired, failed left-wing aphorisms.

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“Oh, and by the way, I was being sarcastic.”

alex

April 2nd, 2013
8:24 am

@ Jay, stands..ist comment says it all about the syncophants here, the lack of discussion is boring,for instance :how would ththis compare to the German guest worker program. Insults and slashing remarks make for a boring conversation over time. See Dupree for today to discuss the implications of the sequester ,I don’t know about Kyle much ,but his article on the new ethics bill had some even handedness about it. jam, fred, stands, granny,geta and jay-you all won’t learn anything new on this blog,just confirming your biases–again, it’s easy, I’ll let you all scream at one another….Braves had a good night and the weather is nice and their are moderates out there..

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:24 am

Vinny and the parakeet, fantastic information. Thanks!

Meanwhile, next door…

Nevertheless, a variety of employers in Alabama said they have not been able to find enough legal residents to replace the seasoned Hispanic field pickers, drywall hangers, landscapers and poultry workers who fled the state. There was an initial rush of job applications, they said, but many new employees quit or were let go.

Wayne Smith, 56, raises tomatoes on a family farm in the misty hills of Chandler Mountain, a 40-minute drive from Albertville. Last fall, he said, his entire Mexican crew ran off, and Smith and his neighbors scoured the area for new workers. The growers pay $2 for every large box of picked tomatoes, and a worker must be able to pluck fast all day, bent over in the hot sun, to fill two or three dozen boxes.

“The whites lasted half a day, and the blacks wouldn’t come at all. The work was just too hot and hard for them,” Smith said. He dismissed the argument, often made by critics of illegal immigration, that Americans might do the work if offered a higher and hourly wage. “We’ve been using Mexicans for 30 years, and now they’ve been run off,” he said. “Everyone is worried about Arizona. If this law sticks, what’ll we do then?”

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-06-17/local/35462377_1_illegal-immigrants-poultry-workers-alabama-law

The Law of Unintended Consequences when you have corrupt mental midgets running state gub’mints…

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:24 am

As usual, the liberals fail to give proper due to the issue of employers preferring employees who will actually show up for work and do the work required.

Ok, if you had the option of hiring an American at $15 an hour vs an illegal at $5 per hour, which would you hire, if you knew there was little to no chance of you being caught? Put your Crayola brush set down for once. This has nothing to do with Lib/Con or any other divisive labels. It’s all about $$$ and if Americans knew the truth, there would be riots that would make the 60s seem like Disneyland.

John Buck

April 2nd, 2013
8:25 am

OMG…I just threw up in my mouth….I actually agree with Bookman. I feel so …..so…..dirty.

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
8:25 am

I just calls them likes I see’um.
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In the past, any critique of illegal immigration would be painted with the left prog’s biggest brush…………..racism.
As the Lefty Nobel lPrize Paul Krugman so eloquently stated recently———-
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“But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil.
I’m unclear about that, at least for 2010. But yes, in the long run you have to think that if the GOP becomes the party of angry white men, unleashed “.
Paul Krugman.
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UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 2nd, 2013
8:26 am

I FIND IT FUNNY ALL THOSE OBAMA WORSHIPPERS ARE SO BLINDED BY THEIR IGNORANCE THAT THEY DON’T SEE THAT HE IS HALF REPUBLICAN…… OH HE TALKS A GOOD GAME ABOUT THE EVILS OF CORPORATE AMERICA………. BUT WATCH WHAT HE DOES!!!!

Obama Betrays Campaign Promise to Label Genetically Engineered Food

Obama Slammed For Signing So-Called ‘Monsanto Protection Act’

Critics slam Obama for “protecting” Monsanto

AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SO BIGOTED THEY CANNOT SEE THAT OBAMA IS ACTUALLY HELPING THE COMPANIES THEY PREACH ABOUT PROTECTING (WALL STREET, BIG PHARMA, BIG AG, OIL CO’S )

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:26 am

…mythical “living wage”…

What is it, RB?

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:27 am

It is about cheap labor, but the ramifications go a bit deeper. It is not that illegal workers make less, they don’t, in fact many make more. Illegal immigrants are not burdened by Soc. Sec Tax, Medicaid Tax, Federal Income Tax, and State Income Tax. In addition the employer saves on their contribution to SS and Medicare and avoid Workers Comp, etc. An illegal can work for 12 and hour and take home 12 an hour, the same takehome would require a US citizen to make close to 20 an hour and cost the employer close to 24 an hour (before Obamacare).
The long term effect of this has been downward pressure on all wages.

Normal, Plain and Simple

April 2nd, 2013
8:28 am

RB,
Cut the duff. If employers paid a good working wage, there would be more reason to show up for work. Why do you hate your fellow citizens so?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 2nd, 2013
8:29 am

preferring employees who will actually show up for work and do the work required

Well looks like RB forgot the rest of that statement…

“employees who will actually show up for word, do the work required for little pay and long hours, no overtime and no stinking compliance with safety or compliance laws and then if they make trouble, we report them to the INS or threaten to report them and we don’t have to pay them.”

Corporate profits have always been made by many with slave labor, sometimes with actual slaves, sometimes with peonage and other effective slave systems. Civil rights changed that for a few years but as that was dismantled they had to create add to the immigrant class of slaves. This is just formalization. :roll:

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
8:29 am

In closing..there will never be a solution to illegal immigration as long as the left progs have leaders such as these………………………..
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In 1988, Paul Krugman stepped up to the plate and told us:

The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in “Metcalfe’s law”–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.

As the rate of technological change in computing slows, the number of jobs for IT specialists will decelerate, then actually turn down; ten years from now, the phrase information economy will sound silly.
Paul Krugman.
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LOL

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:29 am

In the past, any critique of illegal immigration would be painted with the left prog’s biggest brush…………..racism.

Wayward, are you one of those deniers who contends that the southern (in particular) white political movement is NOT still dripping with 92% white racism?

Hysterical.

You must not read this blog much. LOL! That or you need more coffee…

Doggone/GA

April 2nd, 2013
8:30 am

“Illegal immigrants are not burdened by Soc. Sec Tax, Medicaid Tax, Federal Income Tax, and State Income Tax.”

Only if the employer can get away with paying them in cash. If they get paid by check, they DO pay those taxes…and then can’t collect back on them (primarily, of course, SS & Medicaid)

Do a little self-education, why don’t you?

JohnnyReb

April 2nd, 2013
8:30 am

OK bleeding hearts, if the migrant workers had not been allowed you would have yelled about the injustice of not giving poor people work and how it drove up your grocery prices.

While labor makes the news, there is also several other concerns among them illegals coming into the country and going on welfare. I know I don’t want to pay for that, do you?

And JamVet – if you think those paying the top income tax rate are skating, how would you like it if you had to pay almost 40% of your AGI to the feds, then more to state, county and local? Oned ends up with keeping about half what he makes. Yea, that’s skating alright. Where’s the disco music with the rotating silver glitter ball?

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:31 am

Doggone, It is called a 1099, get with it.

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:31 am

The long term effect of this has been downward pressure on all wages.

And why these employers and their protectors in state gub’mint should be rounded up and deported.

LOL…

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:33 am

Wow, Heyward @ 8.25, you got me. You managed to locate one (1) paragraph out of one columnist’s work from 2010 “recently” to back up your assertion.

Clearly, we DFHs can’t so much as see the words “immigration policy” without drawing white hoods on hard-workin’ job creators to cover for our own horrible closeted racity-racist pasts.

Why, we are the Real Racists. And I am so ashamed.

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:34 am

Reb, don’t be a simpleton and conflate unrelated issues.

Ah, never mind. Keep on licking those wealthy boots and praying for your share of that trickle down…

Ol' Timer

April 2nd, 2013
8:35 am

Pandering always precedes reasoning and the radical reaction our esteemed legislature takes is always followed by walk-backs, take backs, restatements, explanations, apologies and dire consequences that were unforeseen. Anybody want to go down to Vidalia and dig onions for a while? Or, pick vegatables or peaches?

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:35 am

The long term effect of this has been downward pressure on all wages.

That long term effect hasn’t been seen yet for the ACA. Hate to burst your little ideological bubble, but wages have been repressed since the corporations went on a concerted effort to decouple labor costs from profits in the 1970s.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wages-stink-americas-most-common-095900890.html

Workers in seven of the 10 largest occupations typically earn less than $30,000 a year, according to new data published Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s a far cry from the nation’s average annual pay of $45,790.

[...]

Among the 10 most popular professions, only the nation’s 2.6 million registered nurses earn a good living, bringing home nearly $68,000 a year on average. Another two of the most common jobs — secretaries and customer service representatives — have an average annual wage of about $33,000.

Wages have been in the spotlight this year as the debate over income inequality intensified. Middle-class Americans have been losing ground, as median household income dropped by more than $4,000 since 2000.

Part of this decline stems from a disappearance of middle-class jobs and an explosion of lower-paying ones. Some 58% of the jobs created during the recovery have been low-wage positions, according to a 2012 report by the National Employment Law Project. These low-wage jobs had a median hourly wage of $13.83 or less.

Aquagirl

April 2nd, 2013
8:35 am

there is also several other concerns among them illegals coming into the country and going on welfare. I know I don’t want to pay for that, do you?

Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for welfare but please continue whining about your poor raped wallet.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:36 am

Anyone think that in 1988, our “Heyward” even knew what an “internet” was?

(Thankfully by the time 2004 rolled around, our national leaders had gotten hep to the new technology.)

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:37 am

You actually just made my point, thanks

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:38 am

if the migrant workers had not been allowed you would have yelled about the injustice of not giving poor people work and how it drove up your grocery prices.

Price increases are as big a myth as Sasquatch dressing as the Easter Bunny and delivering Christmas presents on Halloween. Go to the grocery store and check the food labels. We import probably just as much food as we grow and process here at home. Prices wouldn’t go up nearly as much as we would increase imported foods. Corporations are doing to do what’s least costly to keep profiting. Raising costs will cut demand, importing cheap food keeps sales going.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:39 am

also several other concerns among them illegals coming into the country and going on welfare. I know I don’t want to pay for that, do you?

yea verily it keepeth me up nights and destroyeth my purity of essence.

williebkind

April 2nd, 2013
8:39 am

I have many friends who are farmers. Some are large farms and some are small. I talked to them about keeping workers and what does he pay them on the average. This is what he told me. He pays a tractor driver who can plant, cultivate, and harvest crops $450 a week. Work weeks vary during the season but usually run 5.5 days a week. General farm workers average salary is $350-$400 a week. However there are always a few who are experts in farming and their salary ranges between $700-$800 a week. He said he could pay more but the local people do not want to work and do not work when hired. There has been a poison pill fed to local people about working on a farm. It is slavery they say! So he was forced to hire seasonal workers and he is very pleased. They work better and are more productive. So Jay when you poison the well do not be shocked people will not drink from it. American citizens want that cozy job and do not really want to work because of the many government teats.

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
8:39 am

Aquagirl

April 2nd, 2013
8:35 am

there is also several other concerns among them illegals coming into the country and going on welfare. I know I don’t want to pay for that, do you?

Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for welfare but please continue whining about your poor raped wallet.
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But their children are.
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Your wallet too……………is raped.
Don’t fight it.

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:41 am

You actually just made my point, thanks

How is that? Wage stagnation has only been affected by illegal immigrants in areas where they are employed. I don’t see many high tech or IT companies hiring illegal immigrants. Most low-wage jobs don’t offer benefits, so your figures would be off quite a bit.

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:44 am

See what would happen to wages if all of the illegal immigrants in the US suddenly vanished.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:44 am

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:27 am

It is about cheap labor, but the ramifications go a bit deeper. It is not that illegal workers make less, they don’t, in fact many make more. Illegal immigrants are not burdened by Soc. Sec Tax, Medicaid Tax, Federal Income Tax, and State Income Tax. In addition the employer saves on their contribution to SS and Medicare and avoid Workers Comp, etc. An illegal can work for 12 and hour and take home 12 an hour, the same takehome would require a US citizen to make close to 20 an hour and cost the employer close to 24 an hour (before Obamacare).
The long term effect of this has been downward pressure on all wages.
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I know thta all sounds good on the radio, but could you explain to me EXACLTY how YOU do this with your illegal employees.

You see, I never could figure out how to pay them so that I didn’t have to pay their taxes for me. Let’s say I make $1000 on a job and I paid Pedro $300. I get a check for $1000 so Uncle Sam knows I have $1000. If I write Pedro a check for $300 then Uncle Sam wants to know who he is and why I gave him $300 and where are the taxes on it. If I take $300 out of the bank and give him cash then Uncle Sugar wants to know what I did with that $300. I don’t have a receipt? Really? Then I must have taken it as INCOME so they charge me the taxes that YOU just said I didn’t have to pay……………

Yeah your little story SOUNDS good on the radio, but in real life it just don’t work like that……….

RB from Gwinnett

April 2nd, 2013
8:45 am

“Ok, if you had the option of hiring an American at $15 an hour ”

You sideline reporters just can’t come to grips with the fact our “less fortunate” do not have the work ethic to show up for work 5 days in a row REGARDLESS HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAID. See if you can get Jay to be honest about what his restaurant owner dude told him about that. By now you’ve got to know that’s exactly what happened or Jay would have miraculously appeared to set the record straight in his usual seagull fashion.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:45 am

But their children are.

oh zounds, you have got us! Why these American citizens could qualify for benefits at some point if our educational system has failed them.

I once again bow to your awesomeness.

JohnnyReb

April 2nd, 2013
8:46 am

Aquagirl

April 2nd, 2013
8:35 am

there is also several other concerns among them illegals coming into the country and going on welfare. I know I don’t want to pay for that, do you?

Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for welfare but please continue whining about your poor raped wallet.
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Water Girl – do a little research. I googled illegal immigrants on welfare and it filled with entry after entry of tells where your belief just is not the fact.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 2nd, 2013
8:46 am

You sideline reporters just can’t come to grips with the fact our “less fortunate” do not have the work ethic to show up for work 5 days in a row REGARDLESS HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAID.

Absolute poppycock cleanup Aisle 12!

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:46 am

Doggone, It is called a 1099, get with it.

Please tell me how successful YOU are issuing a 1099 WITHOUT a valid social security number.

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:48 am

Fred, It is called a 1099 employee.

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
8:49 am

I can buy a social security number and I.D for a few hundred dollars, Would you like one.

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:49 am

how would you like it if you had to pay almost 40% of your AGI to the feds, then more to state, county and local?

I’d think this was an awesome country. Sorry you feel differently.

williebkind

April 2nd, 2013
8:50 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 2nd, 2013

Poppycock! You have really lived a sheltered life have you not? You should get out and talk to real employers and you will find your absolute is an imperfection.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:50 am

JohnnyReb

April 2nd, 2013
8:46 am

Water Girl – do a little research. I googled illegal immigrants on welfare and it filled with entry after entry of tells where your belief just is not the fact.

ok. I’ll play. I get these results: http://tinyurl.com/bwk2ku4

The first 8 are from right wing nut case liar sites and the 9th is from fact checker which says you are full of crap. Did you even bother to read your own results you chowder head?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:52 am

Poppycock! You have really lived a sheltered life have you not? You should get out and talk to real employers and you will find your absolute is an imperfection.

This is funny as hell. He’s talking crap to a man he doesn’t know who has more knowledge in the construction field than he will ever know. Thanks for the laugh willie. Your ignorance never ceases to amaze AND amuse me.

Aquagirl

April 2nd, 2013
8:52 am

I googled illegal immigrants on welfare and it filled with entry after entry of tells where your belief just is not the fact.

Another case of how the internet makes dumb people dumber..illegal immigrants can’t collect welfare. Period. Do you need me to read you a story and help you with the big words?

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:53 am

Absolute poppycock cleanup Aisle 12!

I don’t know that it’s poppycock. I’m sure that RB manages to attract the worst of the worst. Would you ever want to have to work for that whiny arsed teaty baby? Would you not take a powder the moment an even slightly better opportunity arose?

Welcome to the Occupation

April 2nd, 2013
8:53 am

Uncle Sam 8:26:

Yeah and you think they’re mad now, wait until it becomes clear that Obama is the one spearheading the effort to dismantle Medicare. That’s going to really cause some shuffling on the left.

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:53 am

You sideline reporters just can’t come to grips with the fact our “less fortunate” do not have the work ethic to show up for work 5 days in a row REGARDLESS HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAID.

And, for lack of a better term, you f**ked up bosses just can’t come to grips that nobody wants to work for your ass REGARDLESS HOW MUCH YOU PAY THEM. You act like you’re the only person here who knows anything about running a business. Just Damn. You are not that damned exclusive or unique.

JamVet

April 2nd, 2013
8:54 am

I have many friends…

Very dubious.

See what would happen to wages if all of the illegal immigrants in the US suddenly vanished.

Wouldn’t matter, because the work would not get done.

READ the linked article in my 8:24.

RB’s kids, cousins, nephews, etc would not last one day in those fields.

Not one…

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
8:54 am

The answer lies NOT in punishing the illegal immigrent worker and forcing him into debt slavery and having roughly 50% of his wages stolen by a tyrannical government to enrich banksters, to finance SS/medicade ponzi schemes , and to wage wars against brown and yellow people worldwide.
No…………the answer lies in allowing American workers to “opt out’ of all these travesties and be treated more like an illegal.(privacy respected, full wages for work, etc………..).
If you want to work……….no questions, no forms, no stealing of your wages, and honest wholesome employment sealed on a hand-shake.
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It’s called Liberty and..basic decency.
The 150 pages of Government Employment lawyers in the Atlanta yellow pages has never really helped anyone………anyhoo.(except the government and lawyers).
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FORWARD FREEDOM!

Arms Akimbo

April 2nd, 2013
8:54 am

You completely fail to mention the organized labor component to this debate. Guest worker programs were designed by labor unions to try to control immigrant workers competing against labor unions. The immigration debate in Washington has been slowed down by the labor unions’ attempt to control guest worker programs through bureaucratic committees that they could stack with their reps like the NLRB. This is all about collecting dues, not representing employees. The union model is simply outdated. I have spent the last two weeks flying around the State of Georgia scouting sites for a manufacturing plant that will create 160 new jobs. Arizona is the other State in the competition. The non-union Port of Savannah unloads 45 40 foot cargo containers per hour. The port of Los Angeles unloads 15 because of the longshoreman’s union contract. LA is also 50% more expensive. It is cheaper to unload in Savannah and ship by truck or rail to Arizona than it is to import to the West coast. Georgia has a large immigrant population not only because of the reasons you mention, but also because it is a right to work State. Unions are only concerned about maintaining the status quo by collecting dues to keep union management in cushy jobs and to have slush funds to bribe their political puppets in Washington. The days of unions being concerned about employees are simply over. Immigration reform is necessary, but awkward for the Obama administration because it competes with their primary source of campaign funding- organized labor. So as usual, we will see Obama take to the bully pulpit preaching to the world about the evil GOP immigration stance. At the same time, he will be cutting behind closed door deals with the labor unions to protect their position in order to keep the cash flowing. It’s all about the campaign and not what is in the best interest of the citizens (existing and new) of the country.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 2nd, 2013
8:54 am

Poor WillieBeBlind, I talk to employers every day. I also see hard workers working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. I also know that for years “those people” were called shiftless, lazy and other names so that they could be denigrated and arrested as part of the southern criminal system to create cheap free jail work force labor. Perhaps you need to learn history and reality.

skipper

April 2nd, 2013
8:55 am

Something to this…….
I work for a company that pays a good and fair wage. The “immigrants” if you will, were a winner in two ways. For one, they NEVER-EVER missed work or layed out. The attendance for most was unbelievable. Likewise, they worked like bees…..I know of no other way to put it. They put many (not all, but many) of what we had to shame. So, if I am “stereotyping”, then excuse me. Facts are facts, so I reckon this is “positive” stereotyping, if there is such a thing. The work ethic was unbelievable.

Brosephus™

April 2nd, 2013
8:56 am

Illegal immigrants can and do receive Medicaid as there are no requirements for citizenship and/or legal residency. If the situation is one that would be considered a medical emergency, anybody without coverage and/or money can get Medicaid in all 50 states.

Simple Truths

April 2nd, 2013
8:56 am

Jay, what is your solution? End the guest worker program? Mass deportation? Self deportation? Amnesty? Enforce existing immigration laws? Close the border? Open the borders?

Your readers would like to know.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:56 am

Fred, It is called a 1099 employee.

Again silly. Tell me exactly how YOU issue a 1099 without a valid Social Security number. Oh and liarboy? MANY employees, AMERICAN CITIZENS are 1099 employees. Most Doctors are. Most lawyers are. It’s a tax dodge that big corporations use with impunity even though it’s against the law. It has nothing to do with immigration status.

Oh and Brainiac? Then tell me how you sneak around the I-9?

http://tinyurl.com/y4mhry

Soothsayer

April 2nd, 2013
8:59 am

Gosh! you mean it really was about cheap labor all along? Who’dathunkit?

Could it also be another way that corporate America foists its costs onto the American public in the form of higher taxes and higher medical costs?

I especially like the way the “ideologically pure” (i.e. those who don’t hire illegals) Fright-Wingers scream and howl and rail about illegal immigration, when their less-pure brethren provide the jobs that lure them to the United States.

Like so many things about the Fright-Wing, hypocrisy abounds.

curious

April 2nd, 2013
9:00 am

Jay is converting the illegal immigrant bashers into illegal immigrant supporters.

Thomas Heyward Jr

April 2nd, 2013
9:00 am

stands for decibels

April 2nd, 2013
8:45 am

I once again bow to your awesomeness.
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I’m glad you’re evolving.
Statism is morally bankrupt.
And violent.
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Try not to backslide.
Re- enforce your new found decency with some Rothbard.
And try to stay away from Neo-cons like Obama and Krystal …..(or at least learn to laugh at them).
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Courage!

guy

April 2nd, 2013
9:00 am

As long as there are too many government “takers” that won’t work there will be nothing that changes.It doesn’t take a genius to understand this. Why work when you are getting free stuff?

In the middle

April 2nd, 2013
9:01 am

Fred, If you don’t know, don’t ask me to teach you. It is not that hard.

Also, most doctors and lawyers are not 1099, they are self employed and have to file taxes quarterly.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
9:01 am

skipper: years ago (more than 20 lol) when I was getting started here in Atlanta in Construction, I worked for a commercial firm. Our job had finished up and the superintendent called another job trying to place me rather than lay me off til he started a new job. He asked one of the guys there who had worked a while on our job what I was like and if he should take me.

The dude said, “Hell yeah he works like two Mexicans.”

I never had an illegal aliens take MY job. And I sure as hell wouldn’t work for someone like RB.

Aquagirl

April 2nd, 2013
9:02 am

I have many friends who are farmers. Some are large farms and some are small. I talked to them about keeping workers and what does he pay them on the average. This is what he told me.

It’s absolutely amazing our cons have legions of people like this…their best friends are all black folk with gigantic bootstraps, the women love Republican policy, and their landlord/restaurant owner/farmer/employer pals ALWAYS prove our con exactly correct.

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
9:02 am

Also, most doctors and lawyers are not 1099, they are self employed and have to file taxes quarterly.

Really? They all OWN those hospitals? REALLY?

You aren’t very bright. You can’t even lie well.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 2nd, 2013
9:03 am

Well, when it comes to this illegal worker stuff I feel something like the dog that just got its tail run over. I don’t know whether to howl or reach out and bite somebody.

I think it’s fine for them to hire the illegals to do stuff like gutting chickens and picking stuff in the hot sun and such but I don’t want them doing jobs us fine upstanding White people could do.

On the other hand I hate labor unions and taxes so much I’d rather do without a job than put up with either.

Like I said, my tail hurts and I don’t know whether to howl or bite somebody.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

April 2nd, 2013
9:03 am

Welcome, can you enlighten me on the Medicare dismantle? I must admit I am ignorant of the situation.

F. Sinkwich

April 2nd, 2013
9:03 am

It’s common knowledge illegal immigrants are more productive than union thugs. But neither are desireable.

JohnnyReb

April 2nd, 2013
9:04 am

Fred – didn’t your mother teach you to play nice? Read some of the articles instead of turning a blind eye because they are not the Huffington Post.

Let me please amend my previous statement to state – immigrants coming here and going on welfare, either legal or illegal.

Now, if you quick to criticize know it alls will read some of the articles you will see that Homeland Security does not track how many immigrants go on welfare once here.

And, to make you feel better, a program was started under W to educate Mexicans while in Mexico as to beneftis available once in the USA. Now, try not to wet yourself while ranting about W.

jconservative

April 2nd, 2013
9:04 am

“Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration estimates that 3.1 million illegal workers pay into Social Security each year. In 2010, undocumented workers and their employers paid $15 billion to Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits — that year illegal workers only received $1 billion back.” (The Daily Ticker, 3/14/2013)

williebkind

April 2nd, 2013
9:04 am

Fred ™

April 2nd, 2013
8:52 am
You jumped to construction from farm working! You are so intelligent liberal. I did not know construction was the same as farming. But you are so typical liberal bullshyt you actually believe what you are doing is the same. You do not know how much I know about construction! Especially wages! You ignorance is overpowering but go look into the mirror and you will see that champion you think your are.

deegee

April 2nd, 2013
9:05 am

Illegal immigrants can’t collect welfare. If they file taxes with a legitimate ITIN they can’t get the EITC. They were ineligible for the economic stimulus tax credits that were thrown around by W. They are fortunate if they get paid all that they are owed by their employer. If any US citizen would like to trade places with an illegal immigrant thinking that they are going to get over on the government then they are free to try it out.