Beverly Hall indictment a stunning turn of events

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2009 Superintendent of the Year Beverly Hall

It shouldn’t be so stunning, but it is.

Former Atlanta School Superintendent Beverly Hall — a one-time national superintendent of the year who ran the Atlanta school district with an authoritarian hand — has been indicted on racketeering and other charges, as have 34 other administrators, principals, teachers and others, in the Atlanta cheating scandal.

If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million. Given that Hall is not a great threat to flee the country and poses no danger to anyone, that bail recommendation sounds exorbitant. Frankly, it sets off warning signals that the case itself may be an overreaction, but we will see.

I’m not trying to defend Hall by any means. If she did do the crime, she should do the time, although it is possible that the charges will be bargained down if she admits guilt and returns the bonuses “earned” through cheating. As it is, the charges imply that Hall took an active and knowing role in the scandal or in the coverup. That is certainly plausible, but I’m not aware of any evidence to that effect.

On the other hand, I also didn’t sit on the grand jury.

In that light, it’s interesting that Hall’s top assistant, the much-feared Kathy Augustine, is not among those indicted, suggesting that she may have agreed to testify for the prosecution. To borrow the cliche, Augustine had the reputation as an administrator who knew where the bodies were buried because she had put them there.

There is certainly a lot of evidence — overwhelming evidence, to my mind — that Hall willfully chose to ignore proof of cheating because it served her purposes to do so. I vividly remember two telephone conversations with Hall in which I hung up the phone startled by the degree of denial that she demonstrated. It was also troubling to see the lives and careers of underlings being ruined in the scandal while Hall, the person who had previously made no bones about being in charge, looked to be walking away scot-free.

But again, we’ll have to see how this plays out in the judicial system. At the very least, we’re going to learn a lot more about how the mess went down, and perhaps about how it can be avoided not just here in Georgia but around the country.

– Jay Bookman

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That Black Guy

March 29th, 2013
7:17 pm

That Black Guy

March 29th, 2013
7:17 pm

on to the topic.

just damn.

td

March 29th, 2013
7:31 pm

If I was any of these people I would ask for a new venue because I think the after all the embarrassment this group has brought to the children and parents of Atlanta I think a jury might want to hang these people.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
7:31 pm

Teach the material, not the test.

jewcowboy

March 29th, 2013
7:31 pm

Cheating scandal? What is the problem? Isn’t this a primer in capitalism that the education system needs? Fairness is for suckers. Oh wait…they got caught and no cronies to insulate them. I guess that is the lesson to be learned.

Serious Robuck

March 29th, 2013
7:32 pm

I’m both surprised and pleased that she’s been indicted. The bail SHOULD be very high due to the damage done to the children of Atlanta and all those who worked for her, and to the City’s reputation.

My fear is the incompetence of the Fulton D.A.’s office. Perhaps Bowers and Wilson should be appointed special prosecutors.

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wsm_marathoner

March 29th, 2013
7:34 pm

Why must you always defend crimes and unethical behavior by Black people or the “Black Community.” I hope she gets what she deserves!!!!!!!

Proud of AJC

March 29th, 2013
7:34 pm

Thank you to the AJC. This would not have happened without the newspaper. I’m a Republican and want EVERY government official and employee held accountable no matter what party. The newspapers in the other cities around the country that the AJC has noted similar problems should take notice. WELL DONE!

Recon 0311 2533

March 29th, 2013
7:38 pm

Because she and others under indictment have possibly harmed our children through their selfish activities they deserve justice to the fullest extent of the law. Having said that, they’re innocent until proven guilty.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
7:40 pm

Why must you always defend crimes and unethical behavior by Black people or the “Black Community.”

Sometimes the stupidity of a post still leaves me dumbfounded.

Serious Robuck

March 29th, 2013
7:43 pm

The AJC deserves the credit for this. No question. Great cities have great newspapers. Atlanta, with all its faults and failures, is very fortunate to have the AJC. At our house, this investigation is the primary reason we still subscribe. We can’t depend on Fox 5 to do serious investigative journalism, can we?

wsm_marathoner

March 29th, 2013
7:44 pm

Please!!! IF SHE WAS A WHITE BANKER YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING FOR JUSTICE NOW!!!!

Oscar

March 29th, 2013
7:51 pm

WSM – Don’t see anyone defending her on here. What are you talking about?

independent thinker

March 29th, 2013
7:53 pm

Jail nay be good for her- she might lose a few pounds. Of course she is going to be depressed to be without her $60k a year body guard and driver.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
7:53 pm

Holy crap, this one’s getting ugly from the get-go.

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
7:54 pm

On these forums, it is not unusual to see someone scream out, “Hey, look at me! I’m deranged!”

Congrats, wsm…

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2013
7:55 pm

This whole cluster has nothing to do with race, although some will make race the prime mover. It is a pathetic story of people in charge doing the wrong thing. at the expense of others, primarily the students, for their own benefit. They should pay the price.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
7:56 pm

WSM, you’re telling the world a lot more about your own obsessions than about this topic.

James

March 29th, 2013
8:00 pm

Since almost all of the people involved are Black, I predict that very, very few are convicted.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
8:01 pm

Oh, and its the liberal Atlanta School Board.

Followed by:

Conservative or liberal has nothing to with it.

Why then, did you make a point of it?

Sport.

BRW

March 29th, 2013
8:01 pm

This _marathoner has obviously run a mile or two, too far.

BRW

March 29th, 2013
8:03 pm

And James is an obvious bigot.

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Recon 0311 2533

March 29th, 2013
8:09 pm

Thus far the Forsyth county school system hasn’t experienced the pollution that has affected too many public school systems in Georgia and throughout the nation. Time to shovel the left out of our public schools and out of our universities.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
8:10 pm

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
8:11 pm

This topic and those accused does seem to bring out the worse in some posters. :roll: We still have a long way to go to achieve that post-racial society.

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 29th, 2013
8:12 pm

James – “Since almost all of the people involved are Black, I predict that very, very few are convicted.”

Yeah….because they are very few black people in jail. (insert roll eyes)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
8:13 pm

Friday night smack-down. Ringside seats still available?

Flyboy

March 29th, 2013
8:16 pm

Thug, I’ll make it easy for you. Fact, ASB is liberal. Fact, liberal or conservative has nothing to do with being a crook. But the story does get slanted depending on what side of the fence Jay sees you on.

wsm_marathoner

March 29th, 2013
8:16 pm

BRW – SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU BUT I AM VERY SUCCESSFUL AND EDUCATED.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZumikMAjOJ8

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 29th, 2013
8:18 pm

APS bumper sticker

“My Child Is An Honor Student (subject to an ongoing criminal investigation)”

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 29th, 2013
8:19 pm

I’m already sick of lawyers waxing eloquent about “cheating the children”…………………….while their state/taxpayer lottorific paycheck will come from…………………..literally…………..the children’s mouth and/or education.
.
despicable.
.
Jon
Corzine, Nathan Deal, Timmy Geithnor, Eric Holder, Jamy Dimon, etc…………..are still walking free?
WTF?

Jay

March 29th, 2013
8:20 pm

Seriously, a few of you are practically tripping over yourselves in your excitement at being able to take shots at those a different color than you, and by doing so are embarrassing only yourselves.

But hey, don’t let ME stop you.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
8:23 pm

Fact, liberal or conservative has nothing to do with being a crook.

Fact. You claim for the second time the school board is liberal.

Sport.

Fact. You claim for the second time liberal or conservative has nothing to do with it.

Sport.

For the second time why then did you make a point of it?

Sport.

Speaking of being schooled, our host just lowered the boom on your ass.

Sport.

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 29th, 2013
8:23 pm

wsm_marathoner – http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZumikMAjOJ8

OK…..it’s been a long, hard week so I am missing something. What is the meaning of this link? Thanks

wsm_marathoner

March 29th, 2013
8:23 pm

YOU PROVE MY POINT! Everyone ignores criminal behavior by corrupt government “leaders” and cry when anyone seeks accountability!

wsm_marathoner

March 29th, 2013
8:26 pm

And I an NOT a racist. I work with a lot of Black people and they respect me!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
8:27 pm

Everyone ignores criminal behavior by corrupt government “leaders” and cry when anyone seeks accountability!

Well since you say “Everybody” that means you include yourself.

There, I have run rings around you logically!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
8:28 pm

And I an NOT a racist. I work with a lot of Black people and they respect me!

“The LADY doth PROTEST TOO MUCH, methinks.”
– Thomas “Billy Shakespeare” Jefferson

guy

March 29th, 2013
8:28 pm

James, you are exactly right unless they are conservative blacks.Then, their asses are as good as fried. Thank you for your expertise!

Flyboy

March 29th, 2013
8:33 pm

Jay, Thanks, but like I’ve said, I’ve read those articles for the past few years in this newspaper. I’m talking about your comments in your article above. The reality of the situation is this is the biggest corruption of a school system and you think it may be an “overreaction”. Clayton County and now this three years later.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
8:35 pm

Tell ya what, WSM. Why don’t you show your comments on this blog to your black friends on Monday. Let us know how that goes for you.

clem

March 29th, 2013
8:36 pm

flyboy , open mouth insert foot;
jay just kicked your booty….so go fly a kite

in other news:Sandy Springs-based UPS will pay $40 million to resolve a federal investigation into its role in shipping drugs for illegal online pharmacies.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 29th, 2013
8:37 pm

No Child Left Behind(or with a dime nor mind) …………………..will prove to be chumpchange,
compared to ObamaCare.
(universal Healthcare insurance ………no Healthcare).
.
Typical…………………………Federale……………….BS.

Orange13

March 29th, 2013
8:38 pm

Recommended $7.5 million bail seems a little steep.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
8:39 pm

Special Dedication to Jay and td…………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jNlIGDRkvQ

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
8:40 pm

Wanking Since Monday? Is that what kind of a “marathoner” he is?

anyway, yeah, just damn, this news. not much else to say.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
8:40 pm

oh no, they are slowing down. It took 48 posts to bring up Obamacare. Bring in some fresh clowns!

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
8:41 pm

Crap. Wrong thread lol. Nice job Jay on the quick Beverly Hall thread. Kinda kicks FNM in the butt, but WOW. That’s all I could think when they broke the news (on the news lol). I figured they were going to hang her underlings and let her walk.

guy

March 29th, 2013
8:44 pm

clem, there are guilty folks of all colors. some cover more for blacks and some cover more for whites. racism and opinions are almost impossible to change.been that way since the beginning of time. sad but true!

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
8:44 pm

BADA, LOL!

Flyboy got shot down.

And not to worry Del, Forsythe County has its own particular and special scent of pollution.

Bluscot

March 29th, 2013
8:44 pm

Bookman, you’re an ass. It’s not about race; it’s about corruption. Institutional corruption has been part and parcel of Atlanta and Fulton County politics for decades. Not that these richly deserved indictments will make any difference. Paul Howard’s incompetence is enough to all but guarantee not guilty verdicts for most if not all of the miscreants.

It’s typical that you, like all the bigoted, hard Left, fall back on ad hominem attacks of “racial discrimination” when there is no other defense to be had.

getalife

March 29th, 2013
8:45 pm

Is accountability making a comeback in America?

I noticed the fed is fining instead of dishing out corporate welfare.

I like this change.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
8:48 pm

Bluscot

March 29th, 2013
8:44 pm

Bookman, you’re an ass. It’s not about race; it’s about corruption.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Actually using your logic, since YOU brought up race not Jay wouldn’t that make YOU the ass? I would say a total dumb ass if I were to label you, but I’m not in a labeling mood tonight so you get a pass and we’ll just let you call yourself an ass.

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2013
8:49 pm

Beverly Hall is a pathetic example of a supposedly educated, in charge, responsible leader who takes it upon herself to ignore the obvious. The people who suffer are the children of the APS. I am sure that the parents of those children are not so concerned about the race of those responsible but are mainly concerned about the neglect of those teachers that were attempting to elevate their own interests ahead of their students. You can take advantage of the system in a lot of ways but doing it at the expense of those who are entrusted to you is about the bottom of the barrel. No excuse, Beverly….. none whatsoever.

BRW

March 29th, 2013
8:50 pm

“BRW – SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU BUT I AM VERY SUCCESSFUL AND EDUCATED”
Keep saying it loud like that and you may just start to believe it.
Won’t make it so, but you can still believe it.

“And I an NOT a racist. I work with a lot of Black people and they respect me!”
Say that one as loud as you want. No one will swallow that BS. Not even you.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
8:51 pm

What I find odd is that even though 2 feeder elementary schools and one feeder middle school of Booker T. Washington High school were found to be involved in the cheating, BTW wasn’t.

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James

March 29th, 2013
9:00 pm

Does anyone really think Beverly Hall will be held accountable?
Does anyone really believe that she did not know cheating was happening?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:04 pm

Does anyone really think Beverly Hall will be held accountable?
Does anyone really believe that she did not know cheating was happening?

Does anybody really know what time it is?
– Thomas “Chicago” Jefferson

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:05 pm

It’s typical that you, like all the bigoted, hard Left, fall back on ad hominem attacks of “racial discrimination” when there is no other defense to be had.

Is there a separate essay depending on whether you’re left or right? There are some stupid mofo’s here tonight. This is gonna be a fun one to read.

:lol:

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2013
9:06 pm

The kind of charges that Hall is facing makes jail time, if convicted, almost a certainty. It will be interesting to note what the courts will do with an educated black middle aged female. Its a bit difficult to imagine Hall down at Pulaski serving a few years. Probation and public service?

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:06 pm

Kamchak

I take it you liked that name drop I gave you earlier, huh? I met her earlier this week and wasn’t sure whether you knew of her or not.

Mary Elizabeth

March 29th, 2013
9:09 pm

This indictment, which said that Hall put pressure on subordinates to reach goals on standardized tests, gives testimony as to why students’ standardized test scores should ONLY be used for diagnostic purposes – in order simply to assess an individual student’s correct instructional placement and correct level of instruction – and not be used for the purpose of punishing teachers.

This is, also, why a business model for public schools is actually hurtful to public education and why a business model will, in the end, counteract what public education must be about – the fulfillment of each student’s inherent potential, without unrealistic expectations and pressures. High pressure should be limited to the business arena; it should not be a part of the educational arena. High pressure for unrealistic schoolwide scores on standardized tests will only create tense educational environments, which are not conducive to learning.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:10 pm

SoCo/Bro

I kinda figured that’s what you were getting at.

Was this her destination, or just passing through?

Got that Kate Moss burned-out look, or at least the photos I saw.

West End

March 29th, 2013
9:11 pm

This is just another ploy to bring down the Black man.
The APS may have a few problems…but, this looks like a lynching.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:11 pm

It will be interesting to note what the courts will do with an educated black middle aged female.

If she’s found guilty, she’ll go to jail/prison as sentenced. I don’t recall anybody getting a deferred or dismissed sentence just because of their educational background.

Catlady

March 29th, 2013
9:11 pm

Jay, may I also,point out that I and several others began pressing this long before the AJC started their investigation? I was one of several on the Get Schooled blog to assert repeatedly the impossibility of the “gains” while members of the AJC staff were still throwing parades for Hall.

So saying, the AJC had and used the clout to get state officials to examine the claims–something they should have already been doing instead of supplying confetti for the parade!

indigo

March 29th, 2013
9:12 pm

It’s just a matter of time before anguished cries of “racism” come from those indicted.

When this sh*t really hits the fan, look for Jesse and Al to be in the public view as much as possible saying “we’re here to investigate civil rights violations”.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:12 pm

Kam

She was passing through Atlanta. She’s pretty cool and laid back.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
9:14 pm

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:17 pm

Fred

Zuzana Straska

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:17 pm

The APS may have a few problems…but, this looks like a lynching.

By a black DA?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:19 pm

Pizzaman

March 29th, 2013
9:19 pm

Sorry Jay but this has to be said,

Don Young, the Republican Congressman from Alaska has again showed why the Republicans are wrong: old, white, bigoted!

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
9:19 pm

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:20 pm

Zuzana Straska

Oh, her. Nothing wrong with her that some biscuits and gravy wouldn’t cure.

independent thinker

March 29th, 2013
9:21 pm

So how is that No Child Left Behind program of our genius ex-president doing? Mission Accomplished??

liberal hack

March 29th, 2013
9:22 pm

to me, this is a case where politicans and administrators have failed the kids. stuff like this makes me severely distrust the public education system. it’s pretty sad this has happened. could happen anywhere. hope the get to the bottom of this and get the APS system back in line for the kids…

MM

March 29th, 2013
9:23 pm

One of the under-discussed aspects of this sordid affair are the dysfunctional power players that populate this city’s insular and ego-driven government and civic culture. Driven by such bad payers as Sam Williams (Metro Chamber chief and instrumental in one of the many cover-ups of this cheating scandal) and Egbert Perry (Central Atlanta Progress Director and long-time bloodsucker of public money at the Integral Group), these powers-that-be operate below the public’s radar but are as culpable as any that went before the Grand Jury. All these people have been willing to lead their plush lives at the expense of Atlanta’s black underclass and undoubtedly will continue to do so. Shame on them for the unrepentant denizens they are and shame on us for letting them get away with it for so many decades to the detriment of all poor Atlantans.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:24 pm

Fred/godless

You don’t wanna see Cindy Crawford in person then….

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:25 pm

Don Young, the Republican Congressman from Alaska has again showed why the Republicans are wrong: old, white, bigoted!

Pizzaman: How much are those broad brushes at Home Depot today?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:27 pm

You don’t wanna see Cindy Crawford in person then….

To quote Phil Robertson, “I don’t want to have to shake the sheets out to find my woman.”

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:29 pm

liberal hack

I seriously believe that the only way to reform our educational system is to get rid of the politics and stop letting politicians get involved with education other than budgeting funds. Damn near everything a politician gets involved with usually ends up being royally screwed up.

————————

godless

:lol: :lol: :lol:

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:31 pm

Enter your comments here

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:32 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:35 pm

The biggest problem is monitoring/measuring achievement.

Teachers are pressured to perform, so they teach the test and not the materials.

And when that doesn’t work, they change the answers on the test.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
9:37 pm

You don’t wanna see Cindy Crawford in person then….

Last time I saw her, she was still sleeping as I slipped out of the room………

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 29th, 2013
9:43 pm

Kam. Word. Success in education is tough to measure. We know it when we see it but then we try to apply “national standards”. Teachers need to be held to some standard, but then we have to consider what they are given to work with.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:48 pm

Teachers need to be held to some standard…

I say it’s time to flip the script.

Parents should be held to the same or higher standard, but outside of being publicly ostracized I don’t see any carrot or stick to motivate them.

Fred ™

March 29th, 2013
9:54 pm

Parents should be held to the same or higher standard, but outside of being publicly ostracized I don’t see any carrot or stick to motivate them.

Yeah but how do you motivate a crackhead? Not every child has Ozzie and Harriet as parents………

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 29th, 2013
9:55 pm

Well, I know I’m tipsy up here at Billy Bob’s and I’m about to get tipsier, but the more I think about this Atlanta Schools thing the madder I get.

See, it’s this way. When we want to take out after the edumacators, we don’t do it with money because, well, that costs money and that means more taxes. The way we do it is, we set up this bunch of tests we know the kids can’t do good on and when they don’t do good on them then we can fire people and have a ready reason to send our kids to private schools where they can learn about Jesus and the Dinosaurs.

I’m burnin’ mad because they plumb hoodwinked us. Instead of admitting the kids couldn’t pass the tests and standing up to get fired fair and square, they cheated on the tests and we wound up paying them big bonuses. And just when we was ready to brag and tell people, “See, a little Republican tough love took care of the problem,” we learn that they been playing us like a cheap fiddle at a carnival.

I want all these people fired and the worst ones to get the Death Penalty. Heck, I want even the teachers that wasn’t involved to get fired. That may be a burr under the saddle of a Certain Blogger on here that calls me dirty names, but that’s the way it should be.

I would write more but my new PBR just arrived. Have a good weekend everybody. And I’d appreciate it if you’d let me know of any traps the cops got set up between here and Cumming.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:59 pm

godless

Who would set the standard for teachers? I see no problem with that approach other than that. I’d even co-sign Kamchak’s point of setting standards for parents to include the student’s input and participation. My pessimism tends to get the better of me because of the influence and control politicians have over the educational system.

getalife

March 29th, 2013
10:06 pm

Phil Robertson loves him some chunky women with meat on their bones that can cook and eat squirrel brains.

Happy, happy, happy.

Morality?

March 29th, 2013
10:12 pm

This has nothing to do with race………. how stupid could these gub’ment employees be. If nothing else they HAVE to be convicted of stupidity

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:15 pm

Yeah but how do you motivate a crackhead?

Yeah — I dunno.

n

March 29th, 2013
10:21 pm

I would like to see some GA pols indicted for sins as great or greater than most of these scared & intimidated women. Hall & some of the others deserve felony prosecution, but most of these teachers just wanted to hang on to their jobs and were under great duress to do what they did. There are many worse criminals running around than these poor frightened teachers.

Get Real

March 29th, 2013
10:24 pm

A public square caning would be appropriate….

Jm

March 29th, 2013
10:25 pm

““Beverly Hall placed unreasonable emphasis on achieving targets; protected and rewarded those who achieved targets through cheating; terminated principals who failed to achieve targets; and ignored suspicious CRCT score gains,” the indictment said. “As a result, cheating became more and more prevalent within APS.”

A. I think hall is guilty of a coverup, and if that is a crime, should go to jail
B. the first two items in the list above are not crimes
C. The third item could be a crime and if so, jail baby

YouLibs

March 29th, 2013
10:28 pm

If you don’t have fifteen minutes right now, bookmark this and watch it when you’re in a really good mood. If you don’t like jazz, don’t bother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI5BJ2hMHC4

appleseed

March 29th, 2013
10:32 pm

Like them squirrel brains,fried ramps with scrambled eggs.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:48 pm

independent thinker

March 29th, 2013
9:21 pm

So how is that No Child Left Behind program of our genius ex-president doing? Mission Accomplished??

Go back now and tell us who wrote and championed this efforts in the congress? This bill was claimed to be a highlight of his liberal legislative career.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:51 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:48 pm

Teachers need to be held to some standard…

I say it’s time to flip the script.

Parents should be held to the same or higher standard, but outside of being publicly ostracized I don’t see any carrot or stick to motivate them.

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts. Ostracizing is a great starting point. I had a couple of teachers on time tell me that instead of giving children Saturday school for bad behavior that the parent should be required to come with them and that may stop the behavior problems in the classrooms.

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 29th, 2013
10:53 pm

No FNM? Well in honor of the burning truck of canned tuna on fire this morning on I 75 S, I recommend REO’s “You can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish” album. And “Hot Tuna”, from 1970, by the band of the same name. I love the smell of hot tuna in the morning. It smells like victory.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

March 29th, 2013
10:53 pm

I assume that if she was a Republican you would have put the “(R – Atlanta)” after her name. Perhaps she is in need of ethics reform.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

“Yeah but how do you motivate a crackhead?”

Why are crackheads allowed to keep children?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

Go back now and tell us who wrote and championed this efforts in the congress?

The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001 (voting 384–45),[6] and the United States Senate passed it on June 14, 2001 (voting 91–8).[7] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.

Sport.

Bernie

March 29th, 2013
10:55 pm

Jay, I agree with you on the Bail amount onf Ms.Hall. This is a Woman well into her (60’s) sixties, no previous criminal record, whatsoever! The amount of Bail is over the TOP. Such amounts should be saved for the most violent criminal elements among us. This is NOT one of them……

Georgia Justice has always been more of a 3 ring circus, than seeing the interest of Justice being served. Marching Bands will soon be arranged for the hearing date.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:56 pm

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts.

Don’t give a flying f*ck.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:57 pm

td

March 29th, 2013
11:02 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

Bill Clinton Blames Kennedy for No Child Left Behind Flaws

“The President made a deal with Senator Kennedy and neither one of them meant to mess it up,” Bill Clinton told a crowd of about 400 teachers and students in Texarkana.

“The deal was supposed to be, we will give the schools more money and get rid of two programs that Bill Clinton actually started — hiring more teachers in the early grades which actually does help performance and help schools with construction needs if they are overcrowded,” he said.

“And we will not put anymore money in the after school programs, which does help, and we will raise school performance by telling people their money depends on how their kids do on tests and we are going to give five tests five years in a row, and we will cut the states a check based on how they are doing. And then the law kind of winks at the state of Arkansas and says, ‘don’t worry about it too much because you get to pick the test and the passing score.’ Now think about that you get the worst of all worlds,” Clinton said.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/bill-clinton-bl/

Sport.

I thought the two biggest mistakes of the Bush Administration was to team up with Ted Kennedy on NCLB and Medicare part D.

td

March 29th, 2013
11:09 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:56 pm

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts.

Don’t give a flying f*ck.

Just trying to point out when a Commie and a Conservative can reach agreement on an important issue then something should be done. Since you want to be indignant about it then go back to your little corner and listen to a good tune that explains you to a tee.

http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/21907

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
11:13 pm

Just trying to point out when a Commie…

Just like a phlogiston chemist, you’re wrong from the get-go.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
11:19 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1810

March 29th, 2013
11:40 pm

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPXnoLAEUSQ

The GOV

March 30th, 2013
1:09 am

I do remember when all of this broke. I feel bad for the children. Regardless of your politics many kids are so far behind they’ll probably never catch up.

The GOV

March 30th, 2013
1:14 am

td, I get the impression you have no clue what this is about.

Some of these kids will never catch up. It’s damn tragic.

guy

March 30th, 2013
2:30 am

Fred @ 9:54 p. m. Finally, a person who knows the truth. You! No one can fix stupid. You are so right!

guy

March 30th, 2013
2:34 am

n Never reward failure. That’s killing this nation!

Road Scholar

March 30th, 2013
5:49 am

It was reported last night that Kathy Augustine was hired last year to run a Texas district education system and she was removed from her job as a result of the indictment (her non-indictment)!

Racism, School Desegregation Laws and the Civil Rights Movement in the United States

March 30th, 2013
6:39 am

wsm_marathoner,

Lest we forget, history books reopened….refresher course with your name written on it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA

weetamoe

March 30th, 2013
6:49 am

The CR test has been administered for many years–way before Bush and Kennedy’s No Child left Behind. The purpose is diagnostic.The results show areas in which an individual student is performing reasonably well and where the student needs help or even tutoring. Had you watched any of the coverage you would have seen the tragic results of the school system’s stupidity cupidity criminality –crimes against vulnerable children. And if a teacher is competent there is no need to *teach to the test.* That is a term that originated as an excuse for the incompetence of too many *educators.*

Peace

March 30th, 2013
6:57 am

A “stunning turn of events”? As in ’surprising’? I’m not stunned or surprised. This bunch has lived up to my expectations.

The Southern States Cheating Strategy

March 30th, 2013
7:21 am

TEXAS

EL PASO — A third El Paso-area school district has acknowledged wrongdoing in a scandal over cheating to meet federal accountability measures, the El Paso Times reported Saturday.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2013/mar/17/3rd-school-district-admits-to-cheating/

LOUISIANA

Two months late, state provides records on standardized test cheating
Hours after The Lens published a story on the Louisiana Department of Education’s failure to provide public records on probes of standardized test cheating, the department’s attorney forwarded the documents — two months after they were first requested.*
The Lens has received district reports of cheating investigations in 2010, 2011, and 2012. We’ll be publishing our findings after a review of the 159 pages of documentation.

http://thelensnola.org/2013/02/19/state-education-department-hasnt-provided-records-on-standardized-test-cheating-investigations/

independent thinker

March 30th, 2013
7:37 am

Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
7:48 am

Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html

“I think the Bush administration deserves pretty high marks in terms of increasing aid to Africa,” said Steve Radelet, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development.

Bush has increased direct development and humanitarian aid to Africa to more than $4 billion a year from $1.4 billion in 2001, according to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. And four African nations — Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt and Uganda — rank among the world’s top 10 recipients in aid from the United States.

Beyond increasing aid to Africa, Bush has met with nearly three dozen African heads of state during his six years in office. He visited Africa in his first term, and aides say he hopes to make a return visit next year.

Although some activists criticize Bush for not doing more to end the ongoing genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, others credit him for playing a role in ending deadly conflicts in Liberia, the Congo and other parts of Sudan. Meanwhile, Bush has overseen a steady rise in U.S. trade with Africa, which has doubled since 2001.

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
7:51 am

Hall through her attorney has denied everything. Meanwhile back at the ranch, there won’t be an attorney available within 25 miles of the city after all of the accused “lawyer up.”

The prequel to the trials forthcoming of lawyers jockeying and battling for position will be a real cat-fight, I am sure. I remember being in the Dallas area when the Delta L1011 jet crashed at the airport, killing 8 crew and 129 passengers. Lawyers from all over the country were crawling in like jackals. Somehow the word was leaked where the airlne was putting up the victims families, and it happened to be the hotel where I was staying.

I counted three kiosks, or booths, set up, where lawyers were advertising their services for the grieving family members (before they even had the chance to identify their loved one’s body), in the lobby of the hotel, before hotel officials had the police clear that sickening scene.

Lawyers will take any road, do or say anything right or wrong, just for the aquittal. Anything. Look at all of the scenarios played out by Casey Anthony’s lawyers.

Oh well, somebody has to take out the trash, somebody has to be the trash, and somebody has to see that the trash is taken out with all of their rights protected, and that sort of sums up our current legal system.

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
7:55 am

Off topic Bro, another LSD flashback to Bush, I suppose.

You pathetic group of Bush haters have my sympathy, you really do.

Maybe once you will flash forward about $9 trillion of debt in the last 4 1/2 years and join the rest of us, instead of grovelling or slobbering about the past. Personally I doubt it.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
7:58 am

Hall must be a Democrat, Bookman. If a Republican you would have fried her. In fact I’m surprised you even wrote on the subject.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:04 am

Off topic Bro, another LSD flashback to Bush, I suppose.

What the f**k are you talking about? Someone asked about something positive from Bush, and I provided an answer. If you don’t like that, then go fellate an aluminum baseball bat wrapped with rusty concertina wire for all I care.

Go back and point out where I posted anything “hate” related about Bush. I dare you. Better yet, I triple dog dare you.

Once you open your eyes and actually read, maybe you can flash forward and quit those damned knee jerk reactions. Personally I doubt you’ll ever do that.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
8:05 am

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:08 am

I think the people here who read Jay’s blog post above, and deem Bookman a Hall apologist, are complete morons.

Maybe they should reread the post. And maybe again. And again.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:10 am

Jm

That would actually require them to read before their knee jerks. Given the hyper responsive reflexes of some posters here (7:55 and 7:58 respectively), there’s plenty of proof that the reaction time of the knee jerk is much faster than the ability to read.

:)

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:10 am

To all the reading impaired, ease note this paragraph.

“I’m not trying to defend Hall by any means. If she did do the crime, she should do the time, although it is possible that the charges will be bargained down if she admits guilt and returns the bonuses “earned” through cheating. As it is, the charges imply that Hall took an active and knowing role in the scandal or in the coverup. That is certainly plausible, but I’m not aware of any evidence to that effect.

On the other hand, I also didn’t sit on the grand jury.”

Bob

March 30th, 2013
8:12 am

Jay, yes, many have brought up race in ways that had nothing to do with the problem. But when we are choosing leaders in Atlanta metro race is a big factor. When Hall was hired the system did not give any white person a real shot. We see the same with DeKalb county and even a black member of the DeKalb Board admitted his dismay that one of the best candidates was not given a second interview because she was white. And its nice that you have run a few threads on this but you had more discussion about Bush and waterboarding, something you and your followers were rabid about until your guy decided to kill people that Bush may have water boarded. And this brings us back to education. The left bashes repubs over education yet don’t have the same interest when it comes to democrats running systems into the ground. NCLB did not do the damage to students that DeKalb, Clayton and APS administrators did. You and your followers will soon be bashing Rand Paul or someone else that have never done the damage to poor kids that your elected officials do throughout the country.

Cloudodust

March 30th, 2013
8:12 am

Thank you Beverly Hall et al for continuing to make the case that our public education system has been maimed if not destroyed by the tons of money we taxpayers have been forced to throw at a resounding government failure. There are no longer a majority of educators that are in PE for the love of educating our youth. The overwhelming numbers are in PE for the cash. Thank God for decent educators that stick around the public school system and give it their all and thank God for those that fled that system and took up their career paths in private schools where government interference is MIA.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:13 am

Bro.

I think it’s a genuine reading comp issue.

Some people get so emotional about some issues that they cant read or evaluate much beyond the first sentence, even if they do read it.

JSH

March 30th, 2013
8:14 am

In Atlanta, the next step will be to name a street after her. Or maybe, a third name on Hartsville Int’l Airport.

The AJC did, however, do a good job on this story. If only they were not afraid of the mayors office.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:14 am

Jm

Did you notice that Jay’s posted that list twice too? Maybe he should just put that list at the top of every page to cut down on the risks of some major MCL and ACL blowouts here. I think the torn meniscus injuries are manageable.

:lol: :lol:

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:18 am

Bro :)

This North Korean crap is getting out of control

Obama needs to communicate that if the do anything it will be the immediate end of the idiots short reign.

I don’t know that Obama is well equipped to deliver that kind of message

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:25 am

jm

I think those B-2’s delivered that message pretty well. I imagine NK is tracking the navy equipment floating in their direction as well. Given Obama’s enhanced bombing techniques over past administrations, I think NK would be overwhelmed by B-2s and B-52s if they did anything to S. Korea. Depending on the damage and loss of life in the south, I think the north would get spanked quite hard.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:26 am

But while I’m on the subject, great job of skewering Augustine with your slight-of-hand comment “To borrow the cliche, Augustine had the reputation as an administrator who knew where the bodies were buried because she had put them there.” Guess she didn’t cooperate with you either, eh?

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:31 am

Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:34 am

Dcb

Jay is no fan, or apologist, for Hall

It’s crystal clear

Jack ®

March 30th, 2013
8:36 am

I was pretty sure the Hall thing would replace Bookman’s Friday musical fade. I’m also pretty sure that Hall and her lieutenants will do no hard time because it just ain’t “fair”.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:36 am

Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA

Blogging about something in 2010 to CYA against allegations by dcb in 2013??

BWAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAA!!!!

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:37 am

Bro

I think the B2s actually don’t do a great job of that

We are highly unlikely to use nukes ( though the B2s can drop other things than nukes)

A movement of ships, artillery and divisions would be more meaningful

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:37 am

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
8:41 am

“Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA”

dcp, Jay knocked you out with his 8:05. Your punch drunk replies after you got up off the floor are pretty funny. You are going to have one big headache.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:42 am

Love this “stuff” you opin, JM, and I actually agree with it …… I think it’s a genuine reading comp issue.

Some people get so emotional about some issues that they cant read or evaluate much beyond the first sentence, even if they do read it.

On the other hand this says nothing about the source of the written word. And if, as usually is the case, that source is from the media then no reason to read past the first sentence. Especially if in an op-ed piece.

Notice that I didn’t say “…that source is from the liberal media”. Altho’ in case you didn’t read that into the meaning, you should have!

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:43 am

Weak response Danny X – you can do better than that!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
8:45 am

…then go fellate an aluminum baseball bat wrapped with rusty concertina wire…

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock:

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
8:48 am

That is a term that originated as an excuse for the incompetence of too many *educators.*

AMEN

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
8:50 am

Altho’ in case you didn’t read that into the meaning, you should have!

And there’s your sign.

Bob

March 30th, 2013
8:54 am

independent thinker “Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?”
This has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with liberals screwing up metro Atlanta schools. If this was because of a plan by Bush wouldn’t every school system be indicting the former supers ? And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume. Can someone name a program ted kennedy gave us that was not f–d up ?

SouthernGent

March 30th, 2013
8:55 am

This has nothing to do with a business model. This has everything to do with cheaters. In this case we have the classic liberal royal entitlement mentality, but the bottom line is she appears to be a scumbag cheater who could not perform, only deform.

dbm

March 30th, 2013
8:57 am

jewcowboy

March 29th, 2013
7:31 pm

If your reference to capitalism is meant to say we should have separation of state and education, I couldn’t agree more.

If your reference to capitalism is meant to say that this sort of cheating and lying is a good example of capitalism, you are defaming capitalism. If that’s what you mean, why are you blaming capitalism for something that happened in a government school system?

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:58 am

Morning Brosephus™ – would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor? Cut through the pseudo-intellectual crap and say it so the common folk can understand what you’re really attempting to say. This opaque junk really gets quite old fast and is sure not as cute or impressive as you obviously think it is.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
8:59 am

Bud Wiser – 7:51

Absolutely correct.

Lawyers will be swarming all over this like a swarm of locusts.

This will likely drag on for years and only reinforce what a sick joke our legal system has become.

Only in America.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

Absolutely Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes. Way to go heavy-weight!

dbm

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:29 pm

Now if we had separation of state and education, we would really insulate schools from politicians.

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

“And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume.”

That is certainly the typical Republican/Bush defender reply. NCLB comes from Texas. If anything Kennedy should have stayed away from Bush. Texas started the NCLB experiment and Governor Bush loved it.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:01 am

Kamchak

I think he deserved such a response for that bullcrap. I try to give something positive about Bush, and he accuses me of hate??? That just shows that his dumbass doesn’t read anything at all.

————————

SouthernGent

So, I guess Wall St. cheating American’s out of billions is that classic liberal royal entitlement mentality too, huh? Would that mentality also have anything to do with defense contractors wanting coverage from and conservative legislators wanting to shield them from sequester cuts? That answer does nothing but show your partisaned mindset, and partisanship kills more brain cells than drugs.

This is about greed and cheating. Point blank. There’s nothing partisaned about those two things, no matter how you try to slice it.

A decade of No Child Left Behind: Lessons from a policy failure

March 30th, 2013
9:05 am

On Jan. 8, 2002, then president George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law, ushering in an era of standardized test-based school reform. This assessment of the NCLB decade was written by Lisa Guisbond with Monty Neill and Bob Schaeffer, all from the National Center for Fair and Open Testing, known as FairTest, a Boston-based organization that aims to end the misuse of standardized tests. Guisbond is a policy analyst, Neill is executive director and Schaeffer is public education director.
By Lisa Guisbond with Monty Neill and Bob Schaeffer
Ten years have passed since then president George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind (NCLB), making it the educational law of the land. A review of a decade of evidence demonstrates that NCLB has failed badly both in terms of its own goals and more broadly. It has neither significantly increased academic performance nor significantly reduced achievement gaps, even as measured by standardized exams.
In fact, because of its misguided reliance on one-size-fits-all testing, labeling and sanctioning schools, it has undermined many education reform efforts. Many schools, particularly those serving low-income students, have become little more than test-preparation programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/a-decade-of-no-child-left-behind-lessons-from-a-policy-failure/2012/01/05/gIQAeb19gP_blog.html

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
9:05 am

Jm,

I’ve been critical of Obama’s foreign policies, however, with the most recent bellicose statements coming that half pint dictator in the NK, I think the handling is about right. The demonstration of but one means that we possess to deliver devastating fire power is sufficient. Engaging in a war of words would serve no purpose.

ticket2it.com

March 30th, 2013
9:07 am

Jay,

I read your article and a few of the first comments left on your blog post. I can not believe how many people are turning this into a racial issue. Lets look at the bigger picture. The cheating would not have occurred if our government did not create the incentive to cheat.

Why does anyone in the education system deserve bonuses based upon student test scores ? These people were either elected or hired to do a job, and that job was to educate our children. These actions only make things worse. Those children are now tainted. It is on their record, and it will stay with them for life. Colleges will overlook them, and potential employers will do the same.

The sad part about all of this, is that it will only continue, because the next chief will still have that same incentive to cheat.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:11 am

Morning Brosephus™ – would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor? Cut through the pseudo-intellectual crap and say it so the common folk can understand what you’re really attempting to say.

Well, if you can’t follow what I say, even with your couple of advanced degrees, then I’d suggest you go back to where you got those degrees from, demand a refund, and ball stomp each and every last instructor you’ve had throughout your educational process. That wasn’t too hard to follow, was it?

Now if we had separation of state and education, we would really insulate schools from politicians.

I don’t really think you need to go that far. Simply return things to the way they were when our educational system produced a quality product. Let educators run education and leave the politicians to legislating the funding for education.

For example, when you put a Bob Nardelli in charge of a Home Depot or Chrysler, you’re asking for a visit from the failure fairy as he has no background in building products, home construction, or automobile manufacturing. I wouldn’t hire a hedge fund manager to run a plumbing business, and I wouldn’t hire a plumber to run a hedge fund. I believe in putting people where they are most knowledgable and efficient.

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
9:14 am

Bookman’s heart bleeds for Beverly Hall.

If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million. Given that Hall is not a great threat to flee the country and poses no danger to anyone, that bail recommendation sounds exorbitant. Frankly, it sets off warning signals that the case itself may be an overreaction, but we will see.

With Bookman the buck stops at the top of corporate America, never government.

West End

March 30th, 2013
9:17 am

This is just more of the hating.
There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:25 am

There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.

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ticket2it.com

March 30th, 2013
9:26 am

West End
March 30th, 2013
9:17 am

This is just more of the hating.
There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.
=======================================================================

You are absolutely correct, except, whitey had nothing to do with it.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:34 am

Jm you’re simply wrong.

Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order. Notice the DATES of all the editorials. There’s your proof.

How you say? Glad you asked.

Paul Donsky, formerly of the AJC, did the groundbreaking work on SYSTEMIC cheating way back in 2001. Almost a full DECADE passed before Jay would admit the error of his ways, He all BUT admitted his own culpability when he said post scandal we “wanted to believe the narrative.”

Catlady also pointed this out earlier. Jay, Cynthia Tucker and Maureen Downey supported the “narrative” even as Paul Donsky pointed out the TRUTH. In 2001 Jm.

2001.

Jay, at least admit you and the AJC editorial board had your own part to play at first, and you played that part for YEARS; THEN you can take full credit for the change of heart and your efforts to hold Hall accountable.

Your readers deserve that Jay. Do they not?

Do you have the INTEGRITY to admit it Jay?

eddy

March 30th, 2013
9:41 am

……awaiting comments from the local as well as national leaders of the NAACP about the disenfranchisement of all of these children from a proper education. This will be followed by some special rhymes commemorating this dark day by Rev Jesse. Rev Al will follow but he is waiting for his check to clear before participating.

The sounds of silence are deafening!

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
9:44 am

My prediction: Hall skates, none of what they’re accusing her of is in itself a crime, just doing a poor job. Why would she turn away from investigating suspicious scores? Well, she was financially compensated by the board to do that, so where was the incentive to look into it?

The principals and teacher do indeed get punished, although jail time is unlikely unless they tried to cover up what they did or lied to a government official investigating it. It’s almost always the cover-up that’s worse than the crime.

Oh, and the idiots who think this is a black/white or liberal/conservative or atlanta/everyone else thing are just looking for a theme that makes them feel better about themselves and really don’t give a rat’s patootie about the kids of Atlanta.

Bob

March 30th, 2013
9:46 am

DannyX

March 30th, 2013, 9:00 am
“And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume.”
That is certainly the typical Republican/Bush defender reply. NCLB comes from Texas. If anything Kennedy should have stayed away from Bush. Texas started the NCLB experiment and Governor Bush loved it”
Sorry danny, I was responding to a leftist blaming our problems on NCLB, a program we would not have had if it were not for Bush and Kennedy. I do not have to defend Bush on the APS scandal because just like DeKalb and Clayton County schools, the Atlanta scam had nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with the libs that hired Beverly Hall. Hall not only cheated on standardized tests she also falsified attendance records, something else that can’t be blamed on Bush. I am not a Bush defender, if I was I would be bored. He tried to fix Social Security and the mortgage crisis but was shot down by dems. Not many other good things to say about Bush. Looking back, I wonder if Bush was right when he said we were heading for a crisis in the mortgage industry ? Probably not since so many dems told regulators that the mortgage industry was solid and no changes were needed for Fannie and Freddie.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
9:50 am

The investigators, the district attorney and the grand jury al think she is guilty based on the evidence collected and presented. Sometimes they are wrong, but not often. The track record is pretty good on covictions following indictments.

clem

March 30th, 2013
9:52 am

while i agree it seems to be a bit extreme given what else goes on in the world, i wish the black community would be more critical of some of their leaders. i watch ga gang and phil kent is a load but jeff and alexis vary rarely seem critical of clayton, dekalb, atlanta, etc. they spend most of their time pushing back on extremes of kent and williams. where are black leaders who care about their community not a paycheck? granted i am not the most learned person, but until peer pressure is brought seems like it always devolves into racial camps. and rethugs concern does not seem genuine.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
9:53 am

“Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order. “

OK, cite something positive that I wrote about her….

We’ll wait.

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
9:55 am

“Sorry danny, I was responding to a leftist blaming our problems on NCLB,”

You deflected the blame from Bush to Kennedy with your “And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume,” which is exactly the opposite of what happened.

Then you even add to your Bush defense by throwing in an obscure mortgage industry defense.

But hey Bob, you’re not a Bush defender.

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Do you have the INTEGRITY to admit it Jay?

That he rides on the coattails of others?

When pigs fly, he will.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Brosephus™ I’ll pose the same question to you.

Look at the dates Jay posted. Ask yourself, where was Jay between 2001 and those dates?

In 2001 Paul Donsky in Jay’s own paper told you everything you needed to know about widespread SYSTEMIC cheating in APS.

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Bob – Think you are being a little too easy on W. Bush. He was fully on board with removing restrictions on low income borrowers so they could buy houses – thy went too far and as a result too many bought houses they could not afford.

But th main cause of the meltdown was the irrational thought that house prices would kep going up and that formd a bubble – plus fraud in the mortgage loan and banking industry in making loans basd on false loan applications.
Mostly bubbbles come up and bust. As in when the stock market runs up way beyond the value of the stocks. Then there is a crash – meltdown,

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
10:03 am

clem: i wish the black community would be more critical of some of their leaders. i watch ga gang and phil kent is a load but jeff and alexis vary rarely seem critical of clayton, dekalb, atlanta, etc. they spend most of their time pushing back on extremes of kent and williams. where are black leaders who care about their community not a paycheck?

Think about this for a second, and maybe this will shed a bit of light on why you don’t see criticism from the Black community.

First thing is that there is no “Black leadership” for the entire community. There are people who position themselves as some kind of speaker for the community when, in actuality, there is no such position. You can’t have a community be critical of a person/position that does not exist.

Second thing to consider is something you touched on from your viewing of GA Gang. I have no idea of what that is or who the people are, but the things you witness bear a striking resemblance to what individuals face on a daily basis, and it’s not just limited to Blacks. Jeff and Alexis appear to spend so much time fighting extremism from Phil that they don’t have time to address anything else. In real life, there are people who spend so much time fighting for survival that they don’t have time to address things that other people think would need to be addressed. If the choice is protest something someone said or work to put food on the table for the family, a person would be stupid to choose to protest if they don’t have an alternate means to put food on the table.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
10:07 am

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

I don’t HAVE to justify it. You’re assuming something that has no bearing on me or my life. Jay’s a grown man. I didn’t pay Jay much close attention until I came across this blog, so I have no idea of what Jay said from 2001 until 2010. Why don’t you be a grown man and ask Jay yourself? Are you some kind of mamby pamby poser or something?

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:07 am

Jay that’s a dodge and you know it! It’s not that you “said something positive” Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.

Were you calling for resignations when Paul Donsky told you all you needed to know about widespread systemic cheating back in 2001?

Were you using the bully pulpit of your position to get the AJC to dig deeper into the Donsky story?
Why wasn’t the Donsky story followed up? A story that explosive, why wasn’t the editorial board screaming from the rooftops for accountability then.

What about a few year later when 40 schools reported zero discipline problems and Kathy Augustine said “Perhaps our reforms are working so well, there are no discipline problems to report”?

Did you call BS Jay, or were you silent?

Would you dare let McQuery (sp?) off the hook because he didn’t “say something positive” about Sandusky Jay?

Of course this is not remotely close in terms of ethics and integrity. But why not just admit “We as an editorial board could have delved deeper, and sooner. In retrospect I wish we had”

Why is that so hard to admit Jay?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
10:08 am

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

So how do you explain that the archives dates to the right of this thread stop at Feb 2009? Conspiracy of silence?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:15 am

Perhaps Beverly Fraud should present Paul Donsky’s work–which she apparently is more than intimately familiar with–from 2001, yes 2001, and let us judge for ourselves its true potential relative to the work conducted by the AJC since then. Come on, Beverly Fraud. Put up or quit the yapping.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
10:19 am

Interesting:

NO PURPLE HEARTS

“But Neal Sher, counsel for the Fort Hood families involved in a federal lawsuit against the department, told Fox News that the document — an “official Army response” to the request for Purple Heart status — is “an utter outrage” and that it was not surprising given it comes from the same department which labeled the attack “workplace violence.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/30/defense-department-says-giving-purple-heart-to-fort-hood-survivors-would-hurt/#ixzz2P25HcZe5

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:24 am

@Sophist, perhaps Jay should present the work, since he probably has better access to it than I do.

But in the story at least 5 schools had over 50 CRCT gains in a single year. Jean Dodd (who admitted had her own ethical issues) was the one board member who had been a teacher and say there was “no way these gains are legitimate”

5 schools have 50+ point gains in a single year and the AJC doesn’t, for close to a decade do a follow up story Sophist?

Does that sound like a paper that’s dying to get to the truth, Sophist?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:26 am

…would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor?

Well, I only have Ph.Ds from Johns Hopkins, Cal Tech., MIT, Harvard, Yale and Princeton but I was able to understand just fine.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:28 am

Beverly Fraud,

You are the one making the claims so back up your yapping. Grow a pair.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:29 am

Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.

You’re gonna hold him accountable for what he doesn’t say?

Do you follow him around 24/7 with a recording device of some kind?

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
10:29 am

Kam – You should hve gotten one from Emory. Then you resume would hve some real weight, insstad of going to all those seocnd rate northern schools.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
10:30 am

“Jay that’s a dodge and you know it! It’s not that you “said something positive” Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.”

No, Fraud. You are now living up to your own name. You are the one dodging, and doing a damn poor job of it as well.

You accused me of being “a Hall apologist of the first order.” That is a clear accusation that I defended Hall against attacks, and “of the first order” implies that I somehow led the effort to excuse Hall’s behavior or cover up what happened. You now seem to admit that you cannot back up that accusation. It seems that you are very quick to make accusations that you lack the evidence to substantiate. I guess that you can do that as an anonymous blogger. But you would not last long as a professional journalist forced to stand behind his or her work on a daily basis.

In contrast, I wrote about Hall as the evidence allowed me to do so. I would do exactly the same again. Doubt and suspicion are no substitute for proof. If Paul Donsky’s 2001 work actually “told us all we needed to know,” as you claim, then we would not have needed the subsequent in-depth AJC investigations and statistical analysis, which led to the state’s investigation of erasures on test papers (documents that the AJC could not access legally, but the state could), which in turn led to interrogations of APS employees by scores of GBI agents, etc., which led to the district attorney’s investigation, which led to yesterday’s indictments.

You contend that none of that was needed, that we knew all we needed to know back in 2001. I contend that you’re full of baloney.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
10:30 am

They just don’t teach typing at Emory.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 30th, 2013
10:31 am

This is all very sad.

Beverly Hall looks like somebody’s grandma in that picture.

$7.5M for bail? That’s grandstanding.

The APS scandal is a national embarrassment for us. Hell, we Atlantans should used to those by now.

Lets see. Real Housewives of Atlanta and Honey Boo Boo. There was the Bill Campbell/Munson Steed Olympics. Street vendors, anyone? Traffic, crime, potholes. MARTA mismanagement.

And of course there are all the ignoble playoff performances by the Braves. “There’s a grounder to third! Chipper fields the ball and throws to…he threw the ball into center field!”

Then there’s our esteemed District Attorney, Paul Howard. Has his office overreached on these charges? Will they be undressed by high-priced talent retained by the defendants? Won’t be the first time our prosecutors looked like schmucks in a high-profile case.

No Child Left Behind – another federal mandate – demanded success – perhaps unattainable success given the socioeconomic environment within the city. Success to be measured by a test.

What often happens when unrealistic demands are placed on folks? They fudge the results. They cheat.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:33 am

They just don’t teach typing at Emory.

Yeah, that’s one of those second rate northern school thingies.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:33 am

Ok Sophist I think I have given you enough details for starters

-5 schools have at least 50 point gains in a single year on the CRCT

-The one teacher on the school board says “no way the scores are legitimate”

-Education experts (if I recall correctly) cited by Donsky, raise serious questions about the legitimacy of the scores calling such gains highly unlikely

-The AJC reports this in 2001. No follow up for close to a decade.

Are you really going to sit there and claim Jay couldn’t have done more? Are you going to let Jay skate with “prove I said something positive” about Hall?

Really?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:39 am

Are you really going to sit there and claim Jay couldn’t have done more? Are you going to let Jay skate with “prove I said something positive” about Hall?

Really?

Are you really gonna start of with, “Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order” and then move the goalposts to, “Jay, it’s what you didn’t say”.

Are you really gonna expect that no one will call you out on such an obvious diversion from your original assertion?

Really?

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:43 am

From Jay:

You contend that none of that was needed, that we knew all we needed to know back in 2001. I contend that you’re full of baloney

Yes Jay you did have “more” data and when you did get that data, you did not act as the apologist that Downey did (she suggested Hall be allowed to stay on the job for the “stability” she provided, rather than resign)

But still Jay, your own words are telling:

“If Paul Donsky’s 2001 work actually “told us all we needed to know,” as you claim, then we would not have needed the subsequent in-depth AJC investigations and statistical analysis”

And when was the “in-depth” investigation? 2008? Where was the AJC for close to a decade?

To the detractors as well as Jay I pose a challenge: I am not able to find the article, but I have no doubt Jay can. Jay, are you willing to post a link to Donsky’s article let readers see just how damning it was, and let the readers decide if there should have been a follow up and the editorial board should have been using their bully pulpit to highlight it?

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
10:43 am

Flyboy, just changing your name to Beverly, doesn’t hide your obvious dearth of debating skills and your limited intellectual capacity. (hat tip Richard Nixon)

But by all means, keep doubling down on the dumbass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-eN7gVEzq8

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:46 am

Ok Kamchak you could score a point with my use of the word “apologist” More accurate to say Jay didn’t do all he could have done to hold Hall and APS to account.

So call that “moving the goal posts” if you like. But if you aren’t willing to discuss WIDESPREAD, SYSTEMIC cheating (read the Donsky report if Jay will link it) are you not at least somewhat culpable for being a (silent) apologist?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:47 am

Beverly Fraud,

You have presented nothing but your own hearsay and declared it to be the end all in evidence needed to substantiate your bloviating. You are a bore and I am being kind with my assessment of you. Present something, anything, of substance for me to read on my own and I shall determine for myself its value.

TM

March 30th, 2013
10:48 am

Any consideration given by the AJC to redact the names of the citizens who served on the Grand Jury??? I know its a public document but is it necessary to publish that??

Atlanta mom

March 30th, 2013
10:49 am

Perhaps the reason for the high bail for Dr. Hall is because she’s from Jamaica and presumably could return there?

Thomas

March 30th, 2013
10:50 am

No one or institution is perfect but the AJC has always done an outstanding job going after local Atlanta and GA stories in an unbiased manner. Listened to the press conference and it does make sense- the folks were after gov’t money. Kind of like the mortgage scandal after fannie and freddie $s….

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:53 am

@JamVet as if though not refuting my points somehow allows you to challenge them?

Points as follows:

-2001 Paul Donsky reports at least 5 schools with 50+ point gains on the CRCT in a single year,

-Education experts quoted by Donsky call these gains into serious question

-At least one board member says “there is no way” the scores are legitimate

Yet no follow up story in the AJC to close to a decade, no real heat from the editorial board for close to a decade, and somehow it is wrong to question if Jay couldn’t have done more?

Seriously?

Challenge Jay to post the Donsky story, see for yourself.

Atlanta mom

March 30th, 2013
10:54 am

So Beverly, is Jay responsible for all wrong doings here in the big city? Or does he get responsibility for the entire state?

td

March 30th, 2013
10:55 am

The concept behind NCLB was a good one. We need nationalized standardized testing to use as a tool on the state levels to see where we compare and contrast with other states so that we can adjust teaching methods and curriculum. The problem was when the law attempted to Federalize standards and time tables.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:55 am

The CRCT was introduced in 2000 and Beverly Fraud would have us believe that unsubstantiated variations in test scores for the test’s second year in use is evidence of some large scale fraudulent activity. Personally, I would expect the scores to exhibit potentially large swings for many years before settling down to a statistically definable behavior. In fact, I do not know of many people that would rely on as few as even three years worth of scores for anything useful.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
10:56 am

Fraud, it’s the weekend, I’m at home, I have no access to AJC archives from here and your self-righteousness bores me.

So find it yourself.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:56 am

“You have presented nothing but your own hearsay and declared it to be the end all in evidence needed to substantiate your bloviating”

Actually Sophist ALL the evidence you need is in the AJC’s OWN paper. If I am wrong a simple link from Jay will totally refute it. Will Jay post the link to the Donsky story?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
11:01 am

Ok, a quick diversion from the he-said/fraud-said nonsense…

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/evaluating-the-odds-for-florida-gulf-coast-and-the-rest-of-the-final-16-teams/

Nate Silver takes on March Madness. So this is what happens in an off-election year? His odds are Louisville then Florida. Interesting read, more interesting than most of our brackets at this point…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:02 am

So call that “moving the goal posts” if you like.

I’ll call it moving the goalposts not just because I like, I’ll call it moving the goalposts because IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID, sport.

But if you aren’t willing to discuss WIDESPREAD, SYSTEMIC cheating (read the Donsky report if Jay will link it) are you not at least somewhat culpable for being a (silent) apologist?

“Aren’t willing to discuss”?

Jay provided a list of ten links, first here and then he repeated them here on the following page.

You know it would really help if you read through the comments before posting such easily refuted silliness. You would have found out ten instances where Jay was more than “willing to discuss WIDESPREAD, SYSTEMIC cheating.”

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
11:06 am

From a quick scan I see that Beverly Fraud has been on this little rant of her’s for many years. Many of the same words were posted on Maureen’s blog as well. And in every single case, Beverly fails to provide anything more than evidence of some sort of personal axe to grind.

td

March 30th, 2013
11:07 am

Yes there was cheating by the APS administration. Probably from the second year of the CRCT forward because the APS administration want wanted to set a low bar in order to make themselves look so good in out years. This sets the Administration up for huge raises and bonuses.

The above is a crime and IMHO the administrators should be punished for the crime. What I have not seen any evidence of is how this crime educationally harmed the children of APS? The test scores were low prior to the cheating and they were at the same low levels after the cheating had stopped (maybe even a little improvement).

Dude

March 30th, 2013
11:09 am

A writer/professional reporter in a public fight on a forum? Walter Cronkite would be ashamed. And no I am not a racist or a bigot for having that opinion.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:10 am

Kamchak you’re missing the entire point. He has provided no links from 2001-2009

Yet here is the title of Donsky’s article:

Sudden rise in test scores stirs concern
Suspicion grows as Atlanta schools fall off failing list

-Education experts quoted by Donsky call the gains into serious question

-The one Board member who taught for 30 years said “there is no way these gains are legitimate”

But no links from Jay until 2009? What happened between 2001-2009

And let’s not even discuss the falsified discipline date, where Kathy Augustine said 40 school had ZERO discipline problems because “our reforms are working so well, there are no discipline problems to report”

Did Jay call BS on that, or was he too busy “believing the narrative”?

And he’s “bored”? Maybe like Hannity might be “bored’ talking about Iraq?

Difference of degree, but NOT difference of principle.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:11 am

Kamchak

You know we single-degreed mathematicians completely discombobulate and dismantle the internet lexicon when converse with our estimable, anonymous, compadres. :)

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:12 am

Aquagirl

March 30th, 2013
11:14 am

Flyboy, just changing your name to Beverly

So we have a sockpuppet of an anonymous person whining why somebody else didn’t do x, y, and z to their satisfaction. We now have our very own APS chickenhawk, isn’t that special?

Latrina

March 30th, 2013
11:14 am

I am glad that Hall has finally been indicted – it appeared for a while there that the DA was intentionally sitting on the case to allow the statute of limitations to expire.

If she is found guilty of the charges let’s hope the judge throws the book at her. She did terrible, inestimable harm to so many people.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:15 am

A writer/professional reporter in a public fight on a forum? Walter Cronkite would be ashamed.

I seriously doubt this would be considered a fight as one person is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kR39r6Lxg0

Dirty Dawg

March 30th, 2013
11:15 am

Saw that the great Paul Johnson would be prosecuting this…so not to worry Bev, the jerk couldn’t get a guilty verdict with everything but a confession, so how’s he gonna ‘convict’ a group of teachers and administrators who are guilty of only trying to survive in a rigged game that they didn’t create and were given little choice as to the options available them…a veritable ‘Catch 22′ for the ‘No Child Left Behind’ education system. Then again, this is probably the only folks he can convict…people without enough money, or powerful people (aka professional sports), to get em out of it.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:16 am

Sophist there is NO evidence of WIDESPREAD systemic cheating in APS?

HA HA HA HA!

Funny.

What I have said is that there is evidence that the AJC editorial board did NOT use their bully pulpit to further Paul Donsky’s groundbreaking 2001 story.

And Sophist education experts quoted by Donsky call the gains HIGHLY unlikely (as best I recall) and didn’t make some excuse about how it hasn’t been three years.

Jean Dodd (who had her own issues) said there is NO WAY you have 50+ gains in a single year.

Close to a decade later, Jay Bookman finally agreed.

How many could have been spared if the editorial board pushed harder after Donsky’s story?

Jay

March 30th, 2013
11:20 am

Fraud is not Flyboy, and vice versa.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:20 am

Aquagirl, who posts anonymously, criticizes someone who posts anonymously, not even realizing that that in and of itself is an ad hominen attack in that she attacks the person, not the argument.

Rich.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
11:21 am

I think all the people indicted in this mess are Black.

And yet, many here say this has nothing to do with race.

If, in the near future, many white teachers in other areas of Georgia are charged, then they will be right.

If all, or almost all of the indicted now, and in the future, are Black, they will be wrong.

Here’s a grown up tip for all you kids here, biological and otherwise:

Ignoring something you don’t like and don’t want to hear will NOT make it go away.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 30th, 2013
11:23 am

Well, best I can tell that grand jury really wanted the Hall woman in jail. With that kind of bail she’s either out three quarters of a million bucks she won’t get back or I doubt she has that kind of money and property to put up. I figure it’ll be about 5 years before a trial is done with so she’ll be a real old jailbird by the time they decide she gets a fine and probation.

Anyhow it would be a good day for golf but Joe Bill says there might could be some mud on the course and he don’t want to get the shoes he bought at Goodwill dirty. I reckon me and my buddy Jim Earl could go and get paired up with two normal people we don’t know but I’ll pass on that. They probly would frown on using a tee peg on the fairway and maybe even want to putt everything out. So I’ll just wish y’all a good visit from the Easter Bunny and see you on Monday.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:24 am

He has provided no links from 2001-2009

And you are moving the goalposts — YET AGAIN!

You start with the premise, “aren’t willing to discuss WIDESPREAD, SYSTEMIC cheating”, and when it has been proven that not only has Jay been “willing to discuss” this issue, but he has discussed this issue at least TEN TIMES, you now want to limit the scope of that discussion to a specific time frame “from 2001-2009″.

Run along back to whatever blog it is that you think you dominate. You really are out of your depth here.

Really.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
11:27 am

Rest assured you proved something with that post, Indigo.

Not what you had hoped to prove, perhaps. But still …

Most of the financial bigwigs who blew up the economy were white. All Nazis who killed six million Jews were white. What do such things tell us?

You know, biologically speaking?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:28 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:28 am

SoCo/Bro

I wouldn’t mind discombobulating Zuana’s brains out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:29 am

*Zuzana’s*

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
11:30 am

Kamchak you’re missing the entire point. He has provided no links from 2001-2009

And neither have you. Why is that? What are you hiding? Who are you protecting??

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:33 am

Kamchak

:lol: :lol: :lol”

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
11:33 am

I think all the people indicted in this mess are Black.

And yet, many here say this has nothing to do with race.

So is indigo’s stupidity biological or environmental? Discuss.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:35 am

Jay you yourself said it. We (apologies if I don’t quote you exactly) “We wanted to believe the narrative”

Can you not own up to the fact that you yourself wanted to believe as well, Paul Donsky raised legitimate questions about the “narrative” and if you had it to do all over again, the AJC editorial board might have listened more carefully to those (like catlady alluded to) who tried to inform that something was rotten in Denmark well before 2008?

Many people were harmed between 2001-2009. Many children were harmed. Is that not reason enough to ask could the AJC editorial board have done more?

Why is this not a legitimate question to ask?

indigo

March 30th, 2013
11:37 am

Jay – 11:27

My comments are confined to the school cheating scandal.

So, I’m somewhat mystified as to what NY financial bigwigs and Nazis have to do with this.

My “biological” reference had to do with adults who become child-like when ignoring something they don’t want to hear.

Of course you know all this. I understand perfectly that, for job security reasons, you could not possibly agree with me here.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
11:37 am

Lot’s of blowing going on here today. Would this be the wrong time to laugh at Brocephus our resident NCAA tourny Guru?

(read the caption on the video Bro :mrgreen: )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uSTOHa4Im4

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:38 am

I understand perfectly that, for job security reasons, you could not possibly agree with me here.

Job security, being diagnosed as clinically insane — whatevs.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
11:39 am

ByteMe – 11:33

While we’re discussing that, let’s explore why you go into complete denial when something you don’t want to hear appears.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
11:40 am

Beverly Fraud is as the name indicates, a one note horn. I’m not sure WHY he thinks the whole world and every article in the paper since 2001 should be about APS but there it is. Jay is now the Get Schooled blogger apparently, just like blowing someone now means pontificating.

I think I also learned a new definition for discombobulate a few posts ago…….. I knew the English language evolved but not hourly…………..

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
11:41 am

While we’re discussing that, let’s explore why you go into complete denial when something you don’t want to hear appears.

Please provide proof of the hypothesis before suggesting a discussion on the topic.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
11:42 am

Beverly, I’ve got more important stuff to do than laugh at your really bad dodgeball moves.

Now, do I take McCutchen or Kemp as my first outfield pick? Hmmm….

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:42 am

Actually Kamchuk now you are just misconstruing my words. I sad Jay WAS an apologist; not IS.

I have (as i have brought this up before on Maureen’s blog) said words to the effect that Jay FINALLY showed some “buyer’s remorse” when it came to Hall.

But I’ve yet to see Jay, Cynthia, or Maureen take full responsibility for what they could have done, after Donsky’s story, what they could have done when people (as Catlady alluded to) tried to inform them that Donsky’s story deserved a follow up, and that other issues (such as the falsified discipline data) where more than enough to call Hall’s facade into question.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why this isn’t a legitimate point of contention.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
11:43 am

Would this be the wrong time to laugh at Brocephus our resident NCAA tourny Guru?

Don’t you mean laugh WITH? Hell, I’m probably laughing harder than you are. I’m saving that caption for a motivational poster. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Amazing

March 30th, 2013
11:44 am

First, I don’t have an issue with the indictment in general. However, it seems to be excessive for them to be facing charges up to 40+ years. How can they face more time than some murderers get? Are the people accused of the same actions in other districts also being indicted? If not why is one group being treated differently than another? If not, it makes this indictment nothing more than a political ploy and the compliants about the justice system vaild.

weetamoe

March 30th, 2013
11:47 am

The CRCT was used way before NCLB was passed by Bush and the Hero of Chappaquiddick. In fact children were harmed. Testimony from mothers desperate to get help for their children who could not read reveals that they were told their children received high scores on the CRCT and there was nothing to worry about.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:47 am

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument as to why this isn’t a legitimate point of contention.

I have yet to see a compelling argument from you, period.

Bored now….

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
11:48 am

Brocephus: And when you DO look at that caption doesn’t it make you wonder about those millions when it came to td and a few others?

As far as the bracket is concerned? I exceeded my expectations as well lol.

weetamoe

March 30th, 2013
11:50 am

I think Jay sounded somewhat like an extremist–with the Nazi thing and all.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
11:50 am

Dodgeball? Seriously?

You’re the one dodging obviously, as my point is exceedingly simple

-Evidence existed concerning widespread, systemic cheating as reported in Jay’s paper going back to 2001

-There was no serious, sustained bully pulpit advocacy for digging deeper for close to a decade, even though there was enough smoke that the AJC “knew or should have known” (in no small part as Catlady said, there was those who did know who tried to inform the AJC

-How much damage could have been spared if Jay had been willing to be a “watchdog” in attitude, rather than someone who wanted to “believe the narrative”?

-And why is this not a legitimate question to ask?

Jay

March 30th, 2013
11:51 am

Kemp has a more well-rounded game and has a much better supporting cast, Jam.

weetamoe

March 30th, 2013
11:51 am

I think Indigo sounded somewhat like Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood–with the Black thing and all.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
11:52 am

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
11:53 am

That discombobulate is what the D stands for.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
11:54 am

We need to terminate the immoral “edumacators” and go back to hiring TEACHERS – this system lacks morality. These “edumacators” aren’t qualified to teach. While w are at it we need to outlaw “edumacator” unions in the public sector nation wide. They have the wrong priorities. This system is corrupt, immoral and broke. Clean house and start over at the college level by getting rid of “professors” that that don’t teach the importance of morals in the school system. When the ACLU and the leftists invited God out of schools w invited evil in. School killings, rampant drug use among teens, condoms in the classrooms, dishonest and unqualified “edumacators” and superintendents, drug addict parents or no parent at all. The Godless less is destroying our children and our future. If you don’t like what I am saying you are likely part of the problem.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
11:55 am

Yeah, it’s a jungle out there.

My brackets have so many red marks on them they look like one of williebekind’s English tests.

But I’m still in 2nd place out of 21 teams.

So either all of us really suck or this tournament has been brutal!

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
11:56 am

Sooth: I thought the same. I’ll bet the “puppies” were just playing at first as puppies DO play rough and then pretty soon she just became a chew toy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:56 am

While w[sic] are at it we need to outlaw “edumacator” unions in the public sector nation wide.

Deflecterbation.

Unions have no bearing on the topic at hand.

Aquagirl

March 30th, 2013
11:57 am

Beverly Fraud is as the name indicates, a one note horn. I’m not sure WHY he thinks the whole world and every article in the paper since 2001 should be about APS but there it is.

The world is full of people like that–”let me sit here on my @$$ and tell you what should be done!”

I think the word you’re looking for is “lazy.” Bevvie doesn’t risk anything by posting it heard so-and-so. I don’t know how much Cox Enterprises spent on lawyers after Richard Jewell sued but it’s way beyond what Ms. Fraud makes for whining.

Having said that I do feel sorry for the people trampled IRL by the real Beverly Hall and this may be one of them. I can’t imagine the anger and frustration for those folks forced to watch firsthand.

Just saying

March 30th, 2013
11:58 am

This is a stunning turn of events. Most of us assumed that government officials always got away with criminal activity, especially if they were black.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
11:58 am

JB, knows his baseball! The Dodgers could be juggernauts this season…(And the Pirates???)

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 30th, 2013
11:59 am

I’m not sure follow your logic, Indigo.

Are you claiming the legal predicament those indicted find themselves in is as much a product of their race as the offenses to which they’re charged? Are you claiming that non-minorities should have been indicted but were not?

Have you checked the ethnicity of the Fulton County District Attorney’s office lately?

Mainstream authority – black and white – bends over backward to ensure their official actions do not to appear prejudiced against minorities – lest they be called racists or Uncle Toms. Notice that Governor Deal replaced the DeKalb County School Board with exactly the same racial composition that he ousted. Coincidence?

Bookman, the Wallstreet cowboys who took us to brink of financial ruin were honkeys? OK. The Nazis too? So were their victims for the most part if my history books were accurate. Were European Jews non-whites?

What does that matter?

In other areas of Georgia, if investigation determines crimes occurred, then suspects should be identified and indicted as appropriate. We’re supposed to adhere to a quota system here too?

Who gives a damn what color they are? And their ethnicity, at face value, proves absolutely nothing, indigo.

Hey, maybe some among the APS 34 are gay too. If so, what the hell does that prove?

Is there an anti-black homosexual conspiracy afoot?

Your point sounds suspiciously like “You mean in all this mess, they couldn’t find ANY white folks to indict?”

Check the poor-performing schools. Check the schools whose performance stood muster and was valid as reported. If you find a pro-white bias then maybe you’ve got a point. Otherwise, this sound like more practice of the same old racial politics that degrade the legitimate claims of racial bias.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
11:59 am

Fred: a 16-month old pit bull can hardly be considered a “puppy,” but I get what you’re trying to say. Although we’ll never know because it appears no one actually witnessed the mauling.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:59 am

Most of us assumed that government officials always got away with criminal activity, especially if they were black.

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddd there’s your sign.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
12:01 pm

And when you DO look at that caption doesn’t it make you wonder about those millions when it came to td and a few others?

I know I’m not Jay, but I’ve gotta throw a flag on that one, and you might even deserve a Bobby Cox. The sad part is that, if I do that to you, then I have to do it to myself for laughing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
12:01 pm

I’m sorry I don’t have anything to say on this cheating scandal. I’m counting the days until I don’t have to pay this obscene school tax anymore. I cannot wait.

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
12:03 pm

Yes continue to believe faith over science.

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
12:03 pm

I hope that the state goes after Hall and her co-conspiritors for every single penny of the so-called achievement/reward money for the (alledgedly) illegally committed actions.

It is called ‘theft by taking’, ‘racketeering’, (insert your favorite crime word here) and is a felony offense, which will cause the clauses in her contract to be null and void, thus freeing up the state to pursue the cash.

That money should be plowed back into the schools as well, NOT for teachers salaries or benefits, but for school supplies for those who cannot afford the simple things like pencils, paper, etc.

Then when they all go to prison, we can send them a nice fruit basket.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
12:04 pm

Brocephus: I DO do a good Bobby Cox imitation here don’t I?

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
12:04 pm

Oh, and that medal in the picture, get that back too.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:05 pm

Jay – The Atlanta gub’ment system will be perfect in a 3rd world country……. corrupt, incompetent and immoral.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
12:05 pm

Yes continue to believe faith over science.

This is as funny as the clowns trying to make it a race thing. Maybe funnier. The lengths folks will go to get their hate on………..

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:05 pm

Jam @ 11:55

Both

Jay

March 30th, 2013
12:06 pm

I’m in a VERY competitive 5×5 12-keeper Roto league, Jam. Several baseball beat writers, a sports columnist, a former pro baseball player, a baseball author …. they know their stuff, and I just try to keep up.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
12:08 pm

Kamchak

Evidence of widespread systemic cheating in 2001 as reported by this very paper

Noting (or close to it) from the AJC editorial board for close to a decade later

Could Jay have used his position do have done more? Should he have done more?

And this is somehow an offensive question to ask? I would expect this from Hannity/Limbaugh supporters; not from Bookman supporters

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
12:08 pm

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:10 pm

Beverly Fraud

You keep whining about what Jay did or didn’t do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What the hell did you do besides whine as you are doing today?

No need to answer, we already know it

Thanks

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:11 pm

Why anyone would bring Chipper Jones in to this is rather strange. He committed an immoral act by cheating on his wife, I get that, but is he a gub’ment school system employee? I always say “if you are going to run around on your spouse get a divorce first”.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
12:12 pm

Since both those studs got taken before my turn, I went risky and took a starting pitcher on my first pick – Verlander…

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:14 pm

Florida vs Louisville for the title. It’s a lot easier to predict when you are down to eight!

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
12:17 pm

More Billy Martin than Bobby Cox.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
12:17 pm

And this is somehow an offensive question to ask?

And you can show where I ever asserted it to be offensive?

Please do not expect me to defend a position that I did not take.

I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t LAST NIGHT.

Sport.

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
12:17 pm

The AJC’s editorial board were lambasted over at Creative Loafing. There was much to discuss about their unwillingness to follow through on Donsky’s findings.

From Creative Loafing: Former AJC reporter Paul Donsky was newly assigned to cover the APS in 2001 when the scores of the Criterion-Referenced Competency Test were released. It was only the second year for the statewide test and some southside Atlanta schools posted incredible gains. In a system where 70 percent of the students had failed to meet state standards the year before, some schools were reporting increases of more than 40, 50 and even 60 percentage points.

“I saw test scores take this big jump,” says Donsky, who now works for a PR agency. “It struck me as suspicious.”

But when he wrote that first article expressing skepticism about test scores, Donsky was subjected to a style of push-back from Hall’s office that has become familiar to reporters, investigators and critics in the years since.

“I was accused of not believing that inner-city black kids could learn,” he says. “They made it very personal, as if I had some kind of character flaw because I was questioning the test results. It was like, ‘How dare you?’”

Maybe the AJC’s editorial board did not want to deal with those types of accusations. While they dawdled black children had their futures stolen.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:19 pm

With a little Earl Weaver thrown in as well

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
12:20 pm

I always say “if you are going to run around on your spouse get a divorce first”.

Newt Gingrich and Mark “Appalachian Trail” Sanford both say, “What?”

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:21 pm

Don’t think the Braves improved themselves that much. More like an even trade. Prado is gone and he was their clutch hitter. The back up catcher is gone and he probably could have been the starter this year. Their former All Star and Gold Glove center fielder is gone, as well as Chipper Jones – 3rd base by committee won’t be an improvement. Still need a second baseman. Hudson is a year older. Lots of sore arms in the bullpen due to Freddie over using them the last two years – and Cox before that. Still I expect them to be a wild card team and one and done as usual.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:27 pm

12:20 – Immorality doesn’t have a PARTY – adultery is well represented by the Dems and Repubs – let’s not forget 99% of the Kennedy men and a recent V.P. and Prez combo from the left that lost the election by a hanging chad.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
12:28 pm

TBS

What have I done?

-Sponsored extra curricular clubs out of my own pocket for disadvantaged youth
-Promoted literacy by personally transporting entire families to the public library, walking them through the process of getting a library card
-helping illiterate parents get gainful employment by helping them fill out job applications, coaching them on the interview process
-hundreds if not thousands of hours volunteering in public schools
-mentored inner city children, more than one of these children contacted me later to thank me for being the “reason I am in college today”

For starters.

It’s called walking the walk TBS

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
12:29 pm

Well nothing like being vindicated by the one poster who has actually researched the issues.

Thank you DemWOP

Jay

March 30th, 2013
12:31 pm

DemWop, the Creative Loafing piece that you cite says not a single word about the AJC editorial board. It contains not a single word of criticism about the AJC at all. In other words, you posted a lie.

http://clatl.com/atlanta/aps-cheating-report-only-the-first-step-to-recovery/Content?oid=3554242

I find this all rather remarkable. The AJC is the only institution in the city or state that dared to take this on. The state and district attorney moved in only after we had firmly proved the basic facts of the scandal. If you want to read an attempted apology and defense of Hall, you can go to the New York Times for that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/education/08atlanta.html

I remember being flabbergasted by that piece, which tried to depict Hall as the victim.

(And for the record, the AJC editorial board has never had any control, influence or even input into the work of reporters. The edit board handles the opinion side of the business, and news editors etc. handle the news side.)

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:33 pm

Beverly

Good for you. That is great stuff.

However I was speaking of the issue (APS) you are whining about? I’m sure you knew that. You seem to know all the info and what Jay should have done, what did you do regarding the APS?

Thanks

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
12:33 pm

If you got a divorce first,then how could you be running around on your spouse?I say don’t get caught.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
12:37 pm

Well nothing like being vindicated by the one poster who has actually researched the issues.

Thank you DemWOP

Well, nothing like standing too close to someone just before Jay lowers the boom on him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:41 pm

Looking forward to DRAFT DAY in the NFL: Hopefully Falcons will turn around their 100% failing track record on drafting a DE over the past 10 years. My mock draft (subject to change) : #1 Datone Jones (DE), #2 Desmond Trufant (CB) [trade; Oakland's #2 in 2013 (3rd pick 2nd round) for Atlanta's #2 in 2014 & #4 & #7 in 2013] #2 Sio Moore (ILB/OLB) #3 John Jenkins (DT) [trade up; Jax's #3 in 2013 (2nd pick 3rd round for Atlanta's #2 & # 5 in 2013] #4 compensatory pick; Alvin Bailey (OG) # 6 Kiko Alonso (ILB) #7 compensatory pick; Ontereo McCalebb (RB/ kick returner) #7 compensatory pick; Malcolm Brown (WR) This draft will get the Falcons to the Super Bowl!

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
12:45 pm

BRW – SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU BUT I AM VERY SUCCESSFUL AND EDUCATED”

there’s no place like home
there’s no place like home
there’s no place like home

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:45 pm

Kam

Well it did seem like a great to Beverly while it lasted…………

:-)

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:46 pm

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
12:47 pm

Fred: I DO do a good Bobby Cox imitation here don’t I?

To the point where, if I didn’t know you, I’d swear you were Bobby himself. ;)

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
12:48 pm

Kam @ 12:37

I would have to read that right as I took a swallow of water. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:48 pm

12:33 appleseed – Sounds like you have passed the immorality test to be on the Atlanta School Board… “If you get a divorce first then how could you be running around on your spouse? I say don’t get caught”. I say if you are planning to run around on your spouse – get a divorce first.

Josey

March 30th, 2013
12:51 pm

Bookman would only report this reluctantly. The AJC never has any true journalistic value when covering Obama, City of Atlanta, Fulton County or any government issue when managed by a black person……they get a free ride from the AJC and Bookman.

Wondering

March 30th, 2013
12:52 pm

Jay,

Why no articles from you about the arrest of De’Marquise Elkins for the murder of a baby in Brunswick? I remember several of your articles about Trayvon Martin’s murder?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
12:53 pm

Bookman would only report this reluctantly.

If by “reluctantly” you mean at least ten other times, then yeah.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:54 pm

Can’t see how Jay is responsible for hiring the crooks that run the Atlanta school system? Like I said “The Atlanta city gub’ment is perfect for a 3rd world country” -kickbacks, payoffs, corruption, incompetence, …………… check, check, check, check.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
12:56 pm

Morality

You mean the website that you took that draft from is subject to change as opposed to any insight that you have.

But I knew what you meant

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
12:57 pm

12:51 “Jay would only report this reluctantly “. Well yeah – these are his people that have failed. You wouldn’t expect him to be proud of this disgrace would you?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
12:59 pm

This draft will get the Falcons to the Super Bowl!

Since the NFC South was established, no division champ has repeated. Just sayin’

Jay

March 30th, 2013
12:59 pm

“Why no articles from you about the arrest of De’Marquise Elkins for the murder of a baby in Brunswick? I remember several of your articles about Trayvon Martin’s murder?

Well, let’s see. Is the local police department refusing to investigate that case? Is it refusing to arrest the suspected killer? Is there some evidence in that case to suggest that justice isn’t being done to the scum of the earth who perpetrated that horrible crime?

As far as I can tell, the answer to all those questions is no, and the justice system is working just as it should. So I wonder … what parallels do YOU see between the Brunswick and Trayvon cases?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
1:01 pm

12:51 “Jay would only report this reluctantly “. Well yeah – these are his people that have failed.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I never knew Jay was a brotha!!!!!! I guess he must have gotten one of those “one drop” qualifiers from one of his ancestors.

:lol: :lol:

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:02 pm

“So I wonder … what parallels do YOU see between the Brunswick and Trayvon cases?”

My guess is that it is the same or similar “parallels” that the other blogger had but would not mention

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:03 pm

12:56 T(BS) – “You mean that website you took that from draft from is subject to change as opposed to any insight that you have”………… it’s subject to change because free agents are still being signed and trades are being made and the draft isn’t until April 25th……. smart butt! When you find the website this mock draft came from let me know……… it’s all mine. Where’s yours smart butt?

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:03 pm

Bro

Jay is just “keeping it real”

hahahaha

Jay

March 30th, 2013
1:04 pm

“Bookman would only report this reluctantly. The AJC never has any true journalistic value when covering Obama, City of Atlanta, Fulton County or any government issue when managed by a black person……they get a free ride from the AJC and Bookman.”

And the fact that the AJC undertook this investigation on its own, committing a lot of time and resources to it including hiring outside statistical experts, the fact that Beverly Hall would probably still be basking in the glory of her great performance if the AJC hadn’t exposed her as a tyrannical fraud, just cannot penetrate Josey’s alternative universe.

I guess if (s)he allowed that fact to register, the subsequent blown mind would be too much to take.

(The same is true, by the way, of Bill Campbell. The AJC edit board and myself were telling the world he was crooked long before the authorities caught up with him.) But again, such facts must not be allowed to penetrate …

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:05 pm

It is all yours just like that “Fantasy Island” you own “tatoo” or is this Gilligan from “Gilligan’s Island”…….

As for mine, I dont do mock drafts nor cut and paste them from other websites

The Thin Guy

March 30th, 2013
1:05 pm

Hate to step out of character, but I have enormous sympathy for Hall and the others who face prison time for trying to educate today youts. They were told that if their students test scores didn’t improve they would receive no pay raises, bonuses, and might even be canned. But their students refused to cooperate. Today’s youts have no desire to learn. You don’t need math with calculators or English with spell checkers. Astronomy and geography? Why learn about places you are never going to go? All of education is a joke. The way to get to where we need to be is to restore corporeal punishment. You don’t do your homework young man? Bend over. We don’t need more money, administrators, standardized tests, etc. We need nuns with rulers.

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
1:06 pm

Remind me to never challenge Jay in “whack a mole”
he’s on his game today!

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
1:08 pm

I dont do mock drafts

what’s the point?….unless gambling is involved

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:08 pm

EC

Put on a hard hat just in case Jay starts doing random whacking as a preventative measure

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:09 pm

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:11 pm

12:59 – Brosephus – So with those odds Falcons will certainly win! I’ve been a Falcons fan since 1966 when they started and I am STILL waiting for them to win a Super Bowl. 1:01 ” I didn’t know Jay was a brotha !!!!!!!!! He THINKS he is so let him dream. Actually I wasn’t referring to race at all – more like their way of thinking and what Party they likely vote for since they were elected in inner city Atlanta – gub’ment knows best.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
1:11 pm

Saints win it this year.

Good job AJC.

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
1:14 pm

Put on a hard hat just in case Jay starts doing random whacking as a preventative measure

his cat-like reflexes are impressive

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:14 pm

get

Whats up dude? Hope your family member’s health continues to improve

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
1:15 pm

I suspect Jay simply tires of the persistent stupidity displayed by the resident fraud.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
1:17 pm

“corporeal punishment”?

“I do not think it means what you think it means.”
– Thomas “Inigo Montoya” Jefferson

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:17 pm

1:02 – T(BS) – So if you don’t care about mock draft that’s fine….. my comments were meant for you then. To me it’s an inexpensive hobby and a way to learn about the players. Why does this bother you so much?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
1:18 pm

TBS

:lol: :lol: :lol:

————————–

EC

I’m thinking Jay had his coffee this morning. :)

indigo

March 30th, 2013
1:18 pm

Fred – 11:41

ByteMe was the first to suggest discuss.

For some reason, you forgot to ask him/her to “provide proof of the hypothesis before suggesting a discussion”

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:20 pm

T(BS) – you need to get out of your mama’s basement – the world is real out there.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
1:20 pm

Both,

Recovery is going well.

Thanks for asking.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:21 pm

Sounds more like that Jay is the MOLE that is being whacked.

luangtom

March 30th, 2013
1:21 pm

All that is necessary for me to see the credibility of these allegations is to watch the now-8th grader and her mother tell the media they both knew and worried of the testing…..8th grade and she reads at the level of a 4th-grader. That says it all about the APS scandal. The children are the ones most impacted.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
1:21 pm

Escaped – 11:59

I say exactly what I mean.

You do not need to go through contorotions of “reading between the lines” because there is nothing to read.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:22 pm

Morality

It doesn’t bother me if you like to cut and past mock drafts. I was just calling it out. Please continue to do as you wish. You certainly do not need my help to “Fumble and stumble” but never much of a “rumble”

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:22 pm

Gots to go for now……… Jay – HAVE A NICE DAY! (smiley face patent applied for)

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
1:23 pm

Put on a hard hat just in case Jay starts doing random whacking as a preventative measure

:shock: :shock:

I’m hoping Jay has a decent targeting method. :lol:

————————–

Morality?

The Falcons and Saints both made the playoffs several years in a row, but the Falcons haven’t won a conference championship since the realignment in 2002. I’d love to see the Falcons win a Super Bowl, but I’m not gonna hold my breath on this year. They’d likely have to do it from the wild card based on the division history, and they don’t do too well in wildcard games.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
1:25 pm

1:22 T(BS) – and it doesn’t bother me as much as it doesn’t bother you – BYE!

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:25 pm

Someone is pouting

now,now, now

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
1:26 pm

You do not need to go through contorotions(sic) of “reading between the lines” because there is nothing to read.

too bad since there’s nothing in the lines we were hoping there was something in between them :lol:

Proud Teacher

March 30th, 2013
1:27 pm

The more teacher evaluation is linked to student performance, the more cheating and manipulation of testing results will occur. Those in power will just get better at doing it. Do you really think all of these schools have made tremendous increases with their students in these few short years? No way! The dummying down, the teaching to the test, and the manipulation of the test results is just getting better. Administrators are getting rid of those teachers who won’t play the game. School board members won’t listen because it isn’t convenient for their personal agendas. In the end, the students lose again.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
1:29 pm

“I suspect Jay simply tires of the persistent stupidity displayed by the resident fraud.”

That, and I have no patience with those whose sole interest in stories like this is to revel in justification for their pre-existing racism.

The same applies for that abomination in Brunswick.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
1:30 pm

Jay – 12:59

Are you saying the local police actually refused to investigate the Zimmerman case?

Are you saying they refused to arrest Zimmerman for racial reasons?

Are you saying that justice won’t be done in the Zimmerman case?

Don’t be unclear.

Say what you mean.

td

March 30th, 2013
1:34 pm

Jay,

Really? How sad.

cheating on ALL levels

March 30th, 2013
1:40 pm

Harvard has forced dozens of students to leave in its largest cheating scandal in memory, the university made clear in summing up the affair on Friday, but it would not address assertions that the blame rested partly with a professor and his teaching assistants.

Harvard would not say how many students had been disciplined for cheating on a take-home final exam given last May in a government class, but the university’s statements indicated that the number forced out was around 70. The class had 279 students, and Harvard administrators said last summer that “nearly half” were suspected of cheating and would have their cases reviewed by the Administrative Board. On Friday, a Harvard dean, Michael D. Smith, wrote in a letter to faculty members and students that, of those cases, “somewhat more than half” had resulted in a student’s being required to withdraw.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/education/harvard-forced-dozens-to-leave-in-cheating-scandal.html?_r=1&

getalife

March 30th, 2013
1:45 pm

We are living in a cheating society and the only way to end the cheating is to prosecute.

So, the return of accountability is a good thing.

More please.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
1:46 pm

If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million

It’s sounds like obama is lining her up for a cabinet position.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:48 pm

JKL2

And as usual your asinine stupid posts never disappoint. Give you and A for consistency

getalife

March 30th, 2013
1:48 pm

TBS

March 30th, 2013
1:51 pm

get

Exactly. Ole JK has posted numerous times how Obama should be in jail. When challenged to show the evidence of the crimes, he ignores it or deflects to more bs

That ODS is all over him

indigo

March 30th, 2013
1:55 pm

Erwin – 1:26

Thanks for pointing out that spelling error.

It’s good to know you’re good for at least something here.

midtownguy

March 30th, 2013
1:56 pm

Cheating on a test is the ultimate crime for a teacher. That said, until testing is done by an outside entity like the SAT’s and GRE’s the problem will continue. This is not an “Atlanta” problem.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
1:56 pm

Both,

Yes, jk has it bad.

Some cons will never get over losing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
1:57 pm

midtownguy

March 30th, 2013
1:58 pm

When people can “hide behind a blog” you see how racist many still are. If we could vote today and not have the Supreme Court intervene, Georgia would have segregated schools.

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
1:58 pm

Thanks for pointing out that spelling error.

not bad for a home schooler eh?

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:01 pm

“not bad for a home schooler eh?”

That will be hard to beat today from the funny scale perspective

hahahahahahaa

:-)

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:02 pm

tbs- When challenged to show the evidence of the crimes, he ignores it or deflects to more bs

obama could shoot someone in you kitchen, and after scraping the brains off the ceiling, you would still be asking “what evidence?”. You have nothing to worry as way too many people like yourself would eagerly jump on a sword to protect your hero. No amount of evidence could ever persuade you otherwise.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:08 pm

JKL2

Should you be given the benefit of the doubt and say you are just asserting something without having evidence or are you just a liar who will say anything to bolster your narrative?

Your 2:02 still hasn’t produced anything, yet it is your claim to fame that Obama should be in jail

Produce something besides right wing talking points and pablum. You have nothing and you know it.

Being from IL means what?

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:10 pm

JKL2

When are the Republicans who would love to take down Obama going to reveal these crimes?

Let me guess, they are waiting for the right time or have been threatened.

Or maybe you are one of the only ones that have this information and you are under protection and in hiding

bwhahahahaha

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:12 pm

get

As I was saying, when JK is challenged he ignores or he deflects to bs……….. never anything but more rhetoric and LIES

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
2:13 pm

Newbie

March 30th, 2013
2:16 pm

Sorry to threadjack… Looking for a home defense shotgun. Two 50+ in towners looking for either a 12 or 20 guage. We’re not experienced shooters. Suggestions?

Feel free to delete if this is too far afield.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:16 pm

JK

Anything except more talking points?

For someone who has made the claim numerous times, it would seem you have the information to back up your claims (LIES)……..

Thought so

Trish

March 30th, 2013
2:17 pm

It was a shame for Howard and the others to put that child in front of the cameras. She could not speak standard English and her pronunciation was pathetic. Yet ,she is typical of what most urban educators must educate daily. Why were parents not implicated. They send their children to school hungry, in need of personal hygiene and appropriate clothing. Did they hire any tutors for their children? Did parents help with homework and buy books or go to the library for further help for their children? No, and they expect teachers to work a miracle? Let us not mention how verbally abusive so many children are to teachers and peers, which interferes with learning and teaching. I commend anyone who would teach in any major city’s school. Sometimes, it can be a jungle. Some of those children had to pass because who would want their first grader to have a twelve year old classmate?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
2:18 pm

We’re not experienced shooters. Suggestions?

Go to a local indoor range as they usually will have guns to rent. Try out what they have and ask questions.

Newbie

March 30th, 2013
2:20 pm

Didn’t think you could shoot shotguns at indoor ranges?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
2:21 pm

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:21 pm

tbs- Produce something besides right wing talking points and pablum.

Answered in my 2:02. Reading is fundamental.

Since you know everything you should be able to help. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075850/posts

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
2:21 pm

Didn’t think you could shoot shotguns at indoor ranges?

Yes you can, but you will be limited to solid slugs or buck shot.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:22 pm

For some reason, you forgot to ask him/her to “provide proof of the hypothesis before suggesting a discussion”

No actually I didn’t. you provided the “proof” of his hypothesis in the post he referred to you in. He opened up a valid discussion on the causes of your stupidity as exhibited in your posts. You on the other hand double proved that point with your insipid post about denial.

The two aren’t equivalent.

Newbie

March 30th, 2013
2:24 pm

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 30th, 2013
2:25 pm

“Ignoring something you don’t like and don’t want to hear will NOT make it go away.”

Indigo. You might want to take your own advice. Seems you’re ascribing racial motivation to this sorry affair then dismissing out of hand any argument to the contrary.

I’ve read enough of your comments over the months to get some idea where you’re coming from. You toss out frivolous racial commentary with your same, tired old spin.

Sometimes we are responsible for our actions. When we mess up, it’s because we chose to do so – of our own volition. It’s dishonest to make race the root cause of every problem just because it’s a component. And in this case, it’s difficult to see where race has anything to do with the indictments.

But I’ll take your word for it. You do say exactly what you mean. And often, it’s the half-baked, race-tainted rhetoric abused by all those deluded enough to think being a victim once makes you a victim always.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:26 pm

Remind me to never challenge Jay in “whack a mole”
he’s on his game today!

Eh, maybe. I see it as the targets are very slow witted “moles” though. It doesn’t take much effort to whack them. Kinda like most of the ‘moles” here repeating the same tired talk radio?foxbot lies day after day……..

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:26 pm

JKL2

List the crimes Obama committed…..

A bunch of innuendo and talking points is not evidence of a crime

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:27 pm

newbie- looking for either a 12 or 20 guage. We’re not experienced shooters. Suggestions?

Stick with one that’s been around as long as you have: http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/shotgun-families/pump-action-model-870.aspx

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:28 pm

Newbie: http://www.sharpshootersusa.com/php/index.php

Looks like they evenhave a tactical shot gun range. THOSE are fun.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:28 pm

JKL2

Keep swinging…………. Zero is weak batting average if you didn’t know

That link wasn’t even a foul tip.

Don’t stretch too much and too fast. You might strain something

What other conspiracies do you have to share with little to no evidence?

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
2:30 pm

My apologies, Bookman. I should have said the AJC’s editorial board was lambasted in CL’s comment sections. There were numerous participants who found the AJC’s editorial board culpable through delay.

You are always quick to point out that you are an opinion writer. Well, by withholding your opinion until 2008, Atlanta’s children were left to languish in a dysfunctional school system.

You are very defensive on this issue. I suspect there is a good reason for that. You could have done more and did not.

Your personal shortcomings became the childrens’ long-term problems.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:32 pm

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:33 pm

JKL2

How about a world net daily, the blaze or maybe a daily caller article that says someone who knew someone who heard about a nurse who was in a Kenyan hospital room where Obama was born…………

bwhahahahahhahaha

:-)

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:36 pm

tbs- List the crimes Obama committed

Extortion, racketeering, and corruption. I’m sure there’s more, but since you will never believe anything anyway (did you read my 2:02?) that should be a good enough start.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
2:39 pm

Extortion, racketeering, and corruption.

Evidence?

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:40 pm

List the crimes Obama committed

Extortion, racketeering, and corruption. I’m sure there’s more

LOL You have set the bar even lower now. I wonder how hard your talk radio gods laugh after their shows after spewing this crap and watching you folks buy it all up………….. They MUST have employed the comedy writers for Fox that David Letterman needs………..

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:41 pm

JKl2

The problem is that you will swallow anything that is given to you about Obama

Your ODS is hilarious………

You have nothing and doubled down on rhetoric and talking points……………… That is all you have.

Just because you believe it and your fav right wing websites and talk show hosts fed it to you and like to play a macaw and mimic what you heard doesn’t make it so………….

But do blather on…………..

And yes I read it. That’s exactly how I know you doubled down on nothing

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
2:44 pm

Headline (AJC): “APS defendants have until Tuesday to turn selves in”

…………. or they get tardy slips !

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:44 pm

Fred

Those talk show host laugh at the gullibility of their audience. Even they can’t believe there are that many who will swallow the hook, line and sinker and jump in the boat as those that listen to their shows

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:45 pm

fred- You want one of these

Does it come with Demwit protesters, or do the police just follow you to your house to confiscate it? Try recommending something you’re not trying to have banned at the same time.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:46 pm

kamchak- Evidence?

Read my 2:02. Ditto for you.

I’m sure Ms Hall is innocent based on the color of her skin too…

Naw tee

March 30th, 2013
2:47 pm

Well looks like she will have her day in court……..

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
2:47 pm

0311 unless they have a hall pass or a note from their mother.

Newbie

March 30th, 2013
2:47 pm

If the talk has shifted to Obama bashing I suggest you nutsos read this: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/time-to-get-serious/

At least it’s not completely insane.

Again thanks for the gun info.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:48 pm

How come when i read the stupid crap that thse folks post all I can think of is the “Hey Ya’ll watch this” joke?

They needed to set this to the Dueling Banjo’s…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSWPBWKGLW0

Naw tee

March 30th, 2013
2:48 pm

Looks like JewCowboy has a problem with capitalism…..not sure what other system would be suggested as better.

Class of '98

March 30th, 2013
2:50 pm

‘I’m not aware of any evidence to that effect.”

Why do I get the feeling that if the superintendent were a white male, Bookman would want him put UNDER the jail for this?

Oh yeah ,that’s right, it’s because he’s a liberal.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:51 pm

“I’m sure Ms Hall is innocent based on the color of her skin too”

Besides you, who said that?

your preconceived notions and bs assertions do you no favors

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
2:51 pm

Read my 2:02.

You gave no evidence at all and only proffered opinion.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
2:53 pm

fred- I wonder how hard your talk radio gods laugh after their shows after spewing this crap

Which show is that? If I get a chance to start listening to radio I’d like to know.

You don’t need a lot of evidence when you personally live through the experience. I’m sure if I asked about corruption in GA politics you could tell me something off the top of your head.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:53 pm

Does it come with Demwit protesters, or do the police just follow you to your house to confiscate it? Try recommending something you’re not trying to have banned at the same time.

Wow what’s a demwit? You folks lie and make up words all the time. I see you are blowing us all now like td and recon do.

Please provide evidence of me trying to ban anything Skippy. If I COULD though, I’d ban stupid people……….. just think how much better off our lives would be without ya’ll…………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9XwSgCigc

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
2:54 pm

We have a modified free market economy – which is better than capitalism.

Modified Economic Stablezation System – otherise know as a MESS.

We have a MESS

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
2:54 pm

Evidence?

Well, that link he provided blamed Axlerod, so I’m sure Obama is guilty by association or something. :lol: :lol:

Jm

March 30th, 2013
2:56 pm

Is Beverly fraud also Paul donsky?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Does Paul still have a job at the AJC?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
2:57 pm

Fred

To hell with the joke, I seriously wonder how many have said “Hey y’all, watch this!!” in real life.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
2:57 pm

You don’t need a lot of evidence when you personally live through the experience.

Oh he WATCHED Obama commit all these “crimes.”

I’m gonna run out of videos if he keeps up the stupid…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad-P5rfLjUM

TBS

March 30th, 2013
2:59 pm

Bro

I stated that JK ignores or deflects to bs on this issue

Today it was a double and triple down on bs

At least he continues to be consistent

Naw tee

March 30th, 2013
2:59 pm

Oscar, please help us rescue ourselves from the MESS as you described. Let us know a better way.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
2:59 pm

Is Beverly fraud also Paul donsky?

Or a relative/close friend??? Glad to know I’m not the only one thinking that.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
3:00 pm

Obama has not committed any crimes. If he had he would have been impeaced. Saying he has is just unfounded drivel.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
3:02 pm

Nw – is no better way. As Churchill said about democracy — it’s a terrible form of government – it’s only better than any other type of government tried by mankind.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:02 pm

Bro

It’s impossible to ignore

Btw

Ms hall will look stunning in pinstripes :)

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:02 pm

TBS

Well, there is something to say about people who are consistent, even if they are consistently wrong. As to the ODS, that sh*t is all over the AJC. Peep the comment section of this article here after you see what the article talks about.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/controversy-still-stewing-over-chicken-plant-rules/nW7Xj/

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:02 pm

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:03 pm

I wonder if she gets to keep superintendent of the year?….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
3:03 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:04 pm

Ms hall will look stunning in pinstripes :)

Well I hear they ARE slimming……..

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:05 pm

Too late Scout. I already posted that. LOL I TOLD YOU that you would like that guys channel.

You owe me a beer.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:06 pm

fred- Wow what’s a demwit?

A proud member of the Democrat Party. Now going by the term “under-educated voters”

google “OWS” if you need proof.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:07 pm

Man

Wikipedia already has the indictment up about hall

Amazing

Anyway. To someone’s excellent point earlier, that bail does probably have a lot to do with her Jamaican citizenship

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:07 pm

jm

She’ll likely be in all white. I think only the county jails use the stripes nowadays. At one time, Alabama used them on their chain gangs, but I think they went back to all white. I think it’s easier to clean the all white clothing vs the stripes.

————————-

Fred

Ain’t that the truth!! And don’t even talk about adding that liquid courage into the mix, especially 80 proof or higher.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:07 pm

Fred 3:04 she needs it

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:08 pm

A proud member of the Democrat Party. Now going by the term “under-educated voters”

nice use of the talk radio /FOXBOT term for the 47% of dumb asses that voted for Romney: Undereducated voters……….

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:10 pm

Brosephus- Well, that link he provided blamed Axlerod, so I’m sure Obama is guilty by association or something

Please quit your job, move to IL, and find out how sealed court documents suddenly become public information when obama is running for office. People here are interested to know.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:10 pm

Bro

I think they use orange too…..

Why you gotta rain on my parade?

Ok, let me restart.

Ms hall will look stunning in all white, though it will be a
Big fashion faux pas before Easter

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:11 pm

Brocephus; Did you get a chance to check this chick out?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0331/espnw_g_donne_cr_576.jpg

Beautiful AND an awesome athelete AND an amazing sister. (She left UConn to be near her blind/deaf autistic sister.

She almost single handedly carried Delaware to the finals………

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:12 pm

Ms hall will look stunning in all white, though it will be a
Big fashion faux pas before Easter

And after Labor day………

TBS

March 30th, 2013
3:13 pm

Bro

WOW. Some will look for any excuse to fuel the fire which unknowingly flairs up their ODS and butt hurt. And if it is a lie so be it as long as it fits into the narrative.

There were those on the left who did the same thing with Bush. There was no need to make up anything, the Bush Administration provided plenty, yet there were those who couldn’t help themselves.

I don’t get it

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
3:14 pm

To hell with the joke, I seriously wonder how many have said “Hey y’all, watch this!!” in real life.

I may not have blurted out the obligatory “Y’all watch this” but I have picked myself up in the yard a couple times only to look around first to see which neighbors might have seen me before I checked myself for broken bones

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:15 pm

Here are some Romney voter on camera BEFORE the Pope was chosen……….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz-LxZnPjJA

TBS

March 30th, 2013
3:16 pm

“People here are interested to know.”

People were interested in you backing up your claim with more than your typical nothings.

True to form, you failed

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:17 pm

fred- Oh he WATCHED Obama commit all these “crimes.

Never said that. I see you’re using the granny defense. If it wasn’t on the Huffington Post or Comedy Central, then it isn’t factual and didn’t happen.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:18 pm

I don’t get it

And THAT is something to be proud of.

Not to be mistaken for redneck pride though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZmMwP5bELE

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:18 pm

Please quit your job, move to IL, and find out how sealed court documents suddenly become public information when obama is running for office.

Well, I though that’s what you did already. That link you posted said Axelrod and the Obama campaign. I don’t want to pile on you as you have enough already. However, proving the campaign did something is one thing while proving the candidate himself did it is an entirely different ballgame.

You’re talking to the son of a politician, so I don’t have to move anywhere to see anything. I’ve probably seen and heard things you don’t even know existed or could be done.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
3:18 pm

For those that worship at The Church of Shakira’s Ass, also music.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
3:19 pm

Fred – 2:22

That is the most mindless bit of reasoning I’ve seen here in some time.

Even though we all know you’re not exactly the brightest bulb in the box, that post makes most of your past stupid posts look positively intellectual.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:20 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:23 pm

Way to steal my words and try to use them back at me indigo. We all knew you were incapable of independent thought……..

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:24 pm

jm

My bad… I think the white would be much better for her than the orange. Put her in an orange jumpsuit, and she may as well be loaned out as the mascot for the Orange Bowl.

———————–

Fred

Haven’t checked her out. I’ll have to check out her story as that sounds quite intriguing.

————————

TBS

You’re right about that. I don’t understand how one person can make a man lose their common sense. It’s quite comical to sit back and watch it all play out though.

————————

EC

Bicycles and jumping ramps was always my Achilles heel. I thought I was Evil Knievel when in reality I was more like Super Dave Osborne. :lol:

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:24 pm

If it wasn’t on the Huffington Post or Comedy Central, then it isn’t factual and didn’t happen.

See folks? One just can’t make this kind of stupid up. This guy thinks Comedy Central is a news source………..

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:25 pm

fred- nice use of the talk radio /FOXBOT term for the 47% of dumb asses that voted for Romney

Confused again. Those are the people Romney said would vote for obama no matter what he did. Looks like Romney had it right after all.

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
3:25 pm

Even though we all know you’re not exactly the brightest bulb in the box,

what the heck does that even mean?

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:26 pm

How long until idigo’s next mindless transference post?

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
3:27 pm

Super Dave!

I lol’d

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:28 pm

Confused again. Those are the people Romney said would vote for obama no matter what he did. Looks like Romney had it right after all.

Naw, Obama got a lot more than 47%. Romeny is the one that got the 47% dumb ass vote. And that just burns you simple little guys up to no end doesn’t it? When all was said and done, we saw who the dumb ass 47% actually was.

Eat it. Live it. Or as your hero td would say: BLOW IT!!!!!!!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
3:32 pm

MARINE OFFICER INFANTRY TRAINING:

There is no doubt in my mind that over time ………. the standards will be lowered just enough .

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/us/marines-test-women-for-infantry-roles.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:32 pm

tbs- There was no need to make up anything, the Bush Administration provided plenty, yet there were those who couldn’t help themselves.

Evidence?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
3:35 pm

tbs- There was no need to make up anything, the Bush Administration provided plenty, yet there were those who couldn’t help themselves.

Evidence?

The same source that you employ.

factspulledoutofmyass.com

George

March 30th, 2013
3:35 pm

Jay seems to be holding off a tad on this whole scandal. Probably smart given his position. However, this will not end pretty, and it has done severe damage to Atlanta and Georgia which is going to take some time, and the efforts of many, to restore. Most disturbing is the silence from many of Atlanta’s black leaders whose constituents are the ones most affected. This right on the heals of the unbelievable Brunswick baby case has attracted much negative news nationally for our state. Where is the leadership? If our leaders don’t stand up and define who we really are, others will.

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 30th, 2013
3:37 pm

No matter who is in charge of the schools, they still can’t get the kids to pronounce the words ‘ASK’ and ‘Escape’ without the X. What exactly do teachers do in English class anymore?

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:37 pm

Brosephus- However, proving the campaign did something is one thing while proving the candidate himself did it is an entirely different ballgame

As I have said many times (and for some reason, many here are unable to read and understand) there are many people more than eager to jump on a sword to save obama. He’ll never be convicted. Doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty and shouldn’t be sharing a bunk bed with Blagojevich at Englewood.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
3:38 pm

Evidence for what?

Stupid people on the left like those on the right, including you, that make up bull$hit

They are on both sides, What else do you want me to say?

Just because you are butt hurt because your evidence was an unsubstantiated opinion piece, don’t get upset at me for your gullibility and ignorance

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
3:39 pm

Doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty and shouldn’t be sharing a bunk bed with Blagojevich at Englewood.

It does however mean that you have provided exactly zero evidence to support your claims.

Sport.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:39 pm

tbs- There was no need to make up anything, the Bush Administration provided plenty, yet there were those who couldn’t help themselves.

Evidence?
++++++++++++++++++

Proof this guy has absolutely ZERO reading comprehension skills. TBS clearly states that there is a sliver of the population, far LEFT wing nutcases who made up stupid crap about President Bush, which we ALL know there was, and this guy wants to argue about it.

Why? Because TBS is in the center and not a mindless talk radio FOXBOT like JLK2 is, JLK2 mindlessly has classified him in his tiny little mind as a “librul” and automatically argues about anything he posts, whether it “agrees” with JLK2’s stated position or not.

Further proof there is no cure for stupid.

Erwin's cat

March 30th, 2013
3:39 pm

If our leaders don’t stand up and define who we really are, others will.

I define who I am…not a “leader”, not a situation, and, not an ideology….no one else but but me makes that determination

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 30th, 2013
3:41 pm

Degrees aren’t the only thing needed for teaching. Where do they find such immoral people?

TBS

March 30th, 2013
3:42 pm

Now the excuse is that they are jumping on swords to save him from all the “evidence” that JK produced

You can’t make this up. No wonder he believes every Obama conspiracy that is fed to him

Toucan Sam has nothing on JK. He willfully and cheerfully mimics the talking points without any lessons.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:42 pm

EC

I can laugh about it now, but suffice to say, I was happy when my wife told me she was pregnant with the first one. I wasn’t sure whether or not I had permanently damaged things in my younger days. LOL!!!

————————

As I have said many times (and for some reason, many here are unable to read and understand) there are many people more than eager to jump on a sword to save obama.

You’ve said it, I’ve read it, and I understand it. That still doesn’t make it truth or a fact. In America, you can’t convict someone on what you THINK happened. There’s this thing called “burden of proof” that relies on verifiable factual information to prove things. Otherwise, I could simply believe that you killed Jimmy Hoffa and have you on death row.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:43 pm

fred- Did you see this one Scout?

I’ll take this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piXoF3JGhYM

You have to love a pistol with a shoulder stock.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:44 pm

I define who I am…not a “leader”, not a situation, and, not an ideology….no one else but but me makes that determination

+1

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:44 pm

LOL JLK2: A stock AND a 150 round drum…………. beats out Wyatt Earp and his 6 shooter.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
3:45 pm

Bro

Orange bowl? :)

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:49 pm

fred- See folks? One just can’t make this kind of stupid up. This guy thinks Comedy Central is a news source………

Not me, obama voters.

“Pew also documented how “regular consumers” of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and MSNBC “are significantly more liberal than conservative” with the Daily Show audience twice as liberal as conservative, 41 to 19 percent.

Pew confirmed that the Comedy Central show, best-known for the host’s ridicule of President Bush and crusade against the war in Iraq, has become an important news source for Democrats. Pew noted: “Democrats also outnumber Republicans among regular viewers of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart (by 10 percent to 3 percent.)” http://newsbusters.org/node/6679

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
3:49 pm

jm

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/7188fcghasx1xch3gfzl

Down to the smile, although if she’s in that orange jumpsuit, she probably won’t be smiling. :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
3:52 pm

Fred:

Yes ………… not for sissies !

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:52 pm

fred- When all was said and done, we saw who the dumb ass 47% actually was.

Yes, obama voters.

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 30th, 2013
3:53 pm

APS bumper stickers

“My Superintendent won ‘Superintendent of the Year’ and all I got was this lousy education”

“My Principal Has No Principles”

Newbie

March 30th, 2013
3:54 pm

It’s not just the comforting delusion that he’s a golf-mad dilettante, but also the reverse-negative image of that delusion—that Obama is a not-so-secret Marxist Kenyan with dictatorial ambitions and a nearly limitless appetite for power. That caricature makes it far too easy for Obama to laugh off the legitimate criticisms of the kind of political leader he really is: a conventional post-1960s left-liberal with limited interest in the private sector and the gut sense that government must and should do more, whatever “more” might mean at any given moment.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/time-to-get-serious/

TBS

March 30th, 2013
3:56 pm

JK post something from a right wing website about Comedy Central as is “unbiased” proof

bwhahahahahahahaha

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
3:58 pm

tbs- Just because you are butt hurt because your evidence was an unsubstantiated opinion piece, don’t get upset at me for your gullibility and ignorance

So you’re lying. Thanks.

No need to comment on the gullibility and ignorant part. You have clearly demonstrated your proficiency in both those categories and I believe you.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
3:59 pm

JLK2: Just because you quote some stupid assed far right wing fanatical website as a source doesn’t make it so. I have NEVER met a SINGLE SOUL who has EVER said that Comedy Central is a news source.

The sad thing is that you are told this kind of stupid crap, you are silly enough to BELIEVE this stupid crap, and THEN you post this stupid crap like it’s “truth.”

And then oyu wonder why we don’t take you seriously and think you are stupid.

Far right wing fanatics believe that Obama is a God.
Far right wing fanatics believe that they are “educated” yet all universities are left wing.
Far right wing fanatics believe that Comedy Central is a news source.
Far right wing fanatics believe that everyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a ’socialist.”
Far right wing fanatics believe that anyone who doesnt’ lick Rush Limbaugh’s jockey shorts is a “librul.”
Far right wing fanatics believe that……… just damn, the list of stupid you far right wing fanatics say “libruls” believe that talk radio has fed you is to large to make in one post, but damn if it isn’t dumb as hell.

You folks are just sad.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:00 pm

kamchak- It does however mean that you have provided exactly zero evidence to support your claims.

See my 2:02.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
4:00 pm

fred- When all was said and done, we saw who the dumb ass 47% actually was.

Yes, obama voters.

Yep. This dummy still can’t do math. He thinks Romney won……..

TBS

March 30th, 2013
4:01 pm

JK

Now are you going to provide that “evidence” or just more talking points and lies?

Thought so

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
4:03 pm

Time to take my girlchild to ANOTHER birthday party. Seems like 90% of her friends were born in either March or April………….

Duane Allman died on my birthday……..

TBS

March 30th, 2013
4:04 pm

Except in your own mind, your 2:02 provides nothing of the sort to bolster your claims

I know it sounds good to you and you believe it to your core but at the end of the day it is just more of the same pablum that is typical of your assertions

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
4:09 pm

See my 2:02.

No evidence, only opinion.

Thanks for proving my point, again.

Sport.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:09 pm

tbs- JK post something from a right wing website about Comedy Central as is “unbiased” proof

See my 2:02

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:14 pm

fred- Yep. This dummy still can’t do math. He thinks Romney won…

I break this down for you and kamchak(quadruple down on stupid)

47%ers + independants and misguided Republicans = 51.2% of the vote received by obama.

See, the 47% Romney eluded to are PART of the 51.2% of the vote he got. Not all of it, but part of it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
4:15 pm

JKL sure is gonna be upset when he finds out that new study shows those who watch Colbert Nation have higher intelligence. Can’t say that for them Fox viewers. ;)

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
4:16 pm

Mitt Romney was the spot on, perfect poster boy of what the GOP has become.

And those here who voted for him demonstrate daily why the once Grand Old Party is now at a 20-year low, with just 33 percent of Americans holding a favorable view of them.

The neocons are radically unlike the great melting pot, called the United States of America; almost completely devoid of diversity (92% white!!) and freedom of independent thoughts and views, and are deemed correctly as extremists and fanatics who are utterly estranged and isolated from us in a wide variety of social concerns, domestic issues and foreign policy.

And until mainstream and main street Republicans can wrest power away from the Wall Street and Talibaptist Republicans, I expect to see more miserable Novembers coming up for them…

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:21 pm

keep- JKL sure is gonna be upset when he finds out that new study shows those who watch Colbert Nation have higher intelligence.

And this proves what? I like Big Bang Theory. Doesn’t mean I think it is a factual news show. You can’t say that about Daily Show veiwers. Many consider it to be their only news source.

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
4:26 pm

If you lust in your heart,just as bad as committing the act.Now if the little woman catches you,then it can become very expensive.—–
Jimmy Carter

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:29 pm

jamvet- The neocons are radically unlike the great melting pot, called the United States of America

A major problem with reforming immigration laws. Many of those you want to slap citizenship on have no intention of ever “melting” Changing who you are, to get other people to like you, is no way to go through life.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
4:31 pm

Many consider it to be their only news source.

Now who told you that? Fox, your only news source? You do have some evidence to back up that kind of stupidity now don’t you?

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
4:44 pm

keep- Now who told you that? Fox, your only news source?

Here’s one from that Right wing think tank CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-207_162-603270.html

St Simons- Cons- island off the coast of New Somalia

March 30th, 2013
4:45 pm

The cons running Georgia have made it known what’s important to them.

-using public tax money for fer-profit-jaysus-rode-the-dinosaur-skools in
blatant violation of separation of church & state – 0, nothing
-defunding mental health so untreated crazy people walk the streets
and kill people – nothing, oh, so sorry
-tax policy that raises use taxes on the poor & working families by 36%
& corporate taxes pay nothing – nothing, blank stares, sneering laughter
-trading monetary perks for corporate friendly tax holidays, while
raising ours – nothing, hell, let’s have a parade.
-black Democratic lady cheats on school test scores – oh hell no
indictment, $7.5 mil bail.

I’ve been there, and I can hear in board rooms all over the world,
“um, I believe we’ll pass on locating in Georgia, ewwww”
Hell, a Somalian company wouldn’t relocate here, they wouldn’t
take the downgrade.
Thanks again, Georgia cons.
I am disgusted, and scared for you at the same time.
Scared for your day of reckoning.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
4:50 pm

47%ers + independants and misguided Republicans = 51.2% of the vote received by obama.

Republicans that do not “think” as you, JKL2, are hardly the “misguided” ones. They are clearly the ones that have learned something critical–the GOP is the party of, for and by losers.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
4:50 pm

2, that was one of your dumber replies.

You Republicans choosing to being rabid segregationists is going to doom you to permanent minority status.

Ironic, huh?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
4:54 pm

A major problem with reforming immigration laws

Reagan’s 1986 amnesty says, “What?”

indigo

March 30th, 2013
5:00 pm

Fred – 3:26

As the day wears on, your posts become more and more inane.

Are you not taking the meds?

Whatever it is, you give us all a good laugh.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
5:02 pm

jamvet- You Republicans choosing to being rabid segregationists is going to doom you to permanent minority status

You have something against minorities?

Liberalism: Proving we’re all the same by labeling everyone and pointing out every micro difference between two people.

I dream of a day in which I will be judged by the content of my character, and not the color of my skin…

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
5:04 pm

kamchak- Reagan’s 1986 amnesty says, “What?

Could have worked if we had followed through and secured the borders.

Beefcake

March 30th, 2013
5:06 pm

Not all that surprising to those of us who see through the culture of BS this country has uncontrollably
spiraled into. And especially within the past five years or so when clearly Atlanta seems hellbent on capturing corruption capital of the land mantel from the likes of Chicago, New Orleans and of course Detroit. The so called leadership is truly an utter embarrassment and in is obvious denial or possibly in an alternative reality.

Beefcake

March 30th, 2013
5:07 pm

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
5:14 pm

Based on the 92% white results, it is obvious that you neocons have judged the character of certain skin colors to be unacceptable to even have in your pup tent, 2

Burroughston Broch

March 30th, 2013
5:18 pm

According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, stunning means causing astonishment or disbelief.

Jay, why do you call this event stunning? Are you astonished? Do you disbelieve what has happened?
This train wreck began years ago and we’ve known bits and pieces, but only now are we grasping the full scope of what occurred.
City, State, and Federal taxpayers were cheated but, most importantly, thousands of APS students were cheated. A child who entered APS in 1999 (Beverly Hall’s first year) should have graduated in 2011. Every APS diploma from 2000 through 2012 will be suspect.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
5:18 pm

Could have worked if we had followed through and secured the borders.

The Titanic could’ve made it to port if it hadn’t hit that iceberg.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
5:28 pm

My little girl earned her white sash today from the Kung Fu Shaolin Institute today. I come from the Taekwondo discipline but my Chinese wife is accomplished in the Kung Fu art and she won out. Next year she’ll be ready for firearms introduction and that will be my teaching. She’s also a gifted student at her elementary school. Yes, I’m a proud daddy.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
5:29 pm

Jay, why do you call this event stunning? Are you astonished? Do you disbelieve what has happened?
This train wreck began years ago and we’ve known bits and pieces, but only now are we grasping the full scope of what occurred.

The very same statement could be used in reference to supply-side economics. I guess that idea isn’t a topic of scorn because of the conservative worship that follows it. Funny how people state their arguments about one thing that could equally be applied to something completely different on the opposite political spectrum.

Selective condemnation is quite amusing to watch in action.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
5:30 pm

Beefcake- Atlanta seems hellbent on capturing corruption capital of the land mantel from the likes of Chicago

Chicago is where the big boys play. You’re more like at the Class A level.

obama: A symbol of what’s possible. Maybe someday Atlanta will be more like him…

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
5:33 pm

Time to be more productive before the game starts.

WU Shocks!

Liberal N;ghtm@re

March 30th, 2013
5:42 pm

Ah the face of the Democratic Party……..yes it is political party….the one with the cheating mantra….

kayaker 71

March 30th, 2013
5:43 pm

Scout, 5:28,

Enjoy her while you can. It won’t be long before she will fly the coop and have her own life to live.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
5:44 pm

Stick to basketball jk.

Politics is not your thing.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
5:47 pm

K-71,

Yes, I know I have 3 grown…A boy and 2 girls. This one is a late life blessing.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
5:55 pm

Del,

Is your wife a black belt?

Surprised

March 30th, 2013
5:56 pm

Jay, first let me say I have been and continue to be impressed with the AJC’s investigation into this scandal, and your writing in general. However, the earlier post where you somehow made the leap from an article about this scandal and going back and forth with various people to making a connection to Nazi’s and and corporate bigwigs was ridiculous at best, and pathetic and beneath a writer of your caliber at worst. A comment about one of the worst human tragedies in history has no place in connection with this article or scandal. Don’t get drawn into this race baiting crap.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
5:59 pm

get,

Second degree Karate equivalent.

getalife

March 30th, 2013
6:01 pm

So, don’t mess with Mrs. Del.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
6:03 pm

get,

I know…if we have a misunderstanding I need to walk with eyes in the back of my head.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

March 30th, 2013
6:17 pm

The South: A near-solid block against ‘Obamacare’

ATLANTA (AP) — As more Republicans give in to President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul, an opposition bloc remains across the South, including from governors who lead some of the nation’s poorest and unhealthiest states.
“Not in South Carolina,” Gov. Nikki Haley declared at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference. “We will not expand Medicaid on President Obama’s watch. We will not expand Medicaid ever.”
Widening Medicaid insurance rolls, a joint federal-state program for low-income Americans, is an anchor of the law Obama signed in 2010. But states get to decide whether to take the deal, and from Virginia to Texas — a region encompassing the old Confederacy and Civil War border states — Florida’s Rick Scott is the only Republican governor to endorse expansion, and he faces opposition from his GOP colleagues in the legislature. Tennessee’s Bill Haslam, the Deep South’s last governor to take a side, added his name to the opposition on Wednesday.
Haley offers the common explanation, saying expansion will “bust our budgets.” But the policy reality is more complicated. The hospital industry and other advocacy groups continue to tell GOP governors that expansion would be a good arrangement, and there are signs that some Republicans are trying to find ways to expand insurance coverage under the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/south-near-solid-block-against-obamacare-191744666.html

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 30th, 2013
6:31 pm

“Selective condemnation is quite amusing to watch in action.”

Happens here every day from both sides.

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 30th, 2013
6:34 pm

Recon – “My little girl earned her white sash today from the Kung Fu Shaolin Institute today.”

That’s awesome. Congratulations to her and the proud parents.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

March 30th, 2013
6:34 pm

‘I dream of a day in which I will be judged by the content of my character,
and not the color of my skin…’

and I dream of a world where chickens can cross roads
without having their motives questioned.

your mystic Creek thought for today

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
6:40 pm

I dream of a day in which I will be judged by the content of my character,
and not the color of my skin…’

And that’s a good thing, which outside of politics now largely exists.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
6:41 pm

Steve, thanks

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
6:46 pm

From DemWOP:

You are very defensive on this issue. I suspect there is a good reason for that. You could have done more and did not.

Absolutely; won’t call names, but those defend Jay on this have the behavior of sycophants.

These are the facts you can’t run away from:

2001. Paul Donsky provided more than enough evidence of widespread, systemic cheating in Atlanta.

The AJC did not do a follow up. Wonder why?

The AJC editorial board did not demand further investigation (even though an APS board member was telling anybody who would listen cheating was occurring)

Given this silence from the editorial board (read: political cover) APS continued on with a decade’s worth of academic genocide.

If in 2001, the AJC editorial board had said this must be investigated further, if the AJC had actively pursued the numerous leads they were given, what damage may have been prevented?

Instead of honest reflection, we have the intellectual equivalent of Hannity/Limbaugh clones given each other the high five on Jay’s retorts, even as he repeatedly dodge the issue of what took the AJC so long.

Read the Donsky report for yourself (since Jay won’t link it-maybe he will next week when he’s back at work) and ask yourself the “Bowers” question:

Did Jay “know or should have known” and what did he do with that knowledge?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
6:47 pm

JKL too bad your so-called evidence does not support the claim you were making. But your typical failure.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
6:54 pm

And that’s a good thing, which outside of politics now largely exists.

Proclaims the old white guy in Narnia. :lol:

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:01 pm

Proclaims the old white guy in Narnia.

Well I believe what I witness and not what anyone tells me I should think.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
7:02 pm

Kamchak you saying I am “out of my depth” on this blog, has as much credibility as Sarah Palin claiming Albert Einstein is out of her depth talking about cosmology because “I can see Russia from my house and Russians are good at science.”

Based on your sycophantic denials on behalf of Bookman, and your general overall lack of understanding of what went on in Atlanta Public Schools, it’s safe to say when it comes to education issues, I will always be Albert Einstein and you will always be Sarah Palin.

Yes Kamchak, the gap is that wide; your words today clearly demonstrate it.

Morality?

March 30th, 2013
7:06 pm

Jay – “Beverly Hall indictment is a stunning turn of events? ” Not so much – just another in a long line of the Atlanta political mafia’s unethical and immoral acts……

TBS

March 30th, 2013
7:10 pm

Recon

Congrats to your daughter. Self defense and the ability to handle oneself in a dangerous situation is always a plus.
I have a buddy who has an extensive Kung Fu background as well as Muay Thai His son is 5 and just started taking karate lessons a few months ago. When his son gets a little older he wants to transition him over to Kung Fu if his boy is interested.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:15 pm

TBS, the martial arts taught in whatever form for a youngster teaches them learning discipline that can carry them through school and through life.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:16 pm

TBS, oh yes…thank you.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
7:16 pm

Well I believe what I witness and not what anyone tells me I should think.

Because of course what you witness in your little part of the world is representative of the entire country. You know, like police stops in NYC or LA, or how Hispanic US citizens are treated in AZ. :roll: Yep, because you “witness” something in your neck of the world as an old white man, that means it is true for everyone else or every race and gender. How silly.

Even sillier is your whine that someone is telling you what to think. :roll: How absurd.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
7:18 pm

Recon

agreed 100%…………..

The discipline you mentioned is a great foundation to build on. Benefits go well beyond just the martial arts aspect

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
7:19 pm

Sad turn of events for APS and Hall.

She can always get some concessions from M. Jackson airport.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:23 pm

Keep, sorry but I’ve been in every state of these United States and around this world in some of the best and worst places that you could ever imagine if you’ve never been there and i can hold my own from those experiences.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
7:24 pm

moonbat

This goes out to you and your surge in the Political Blowhards contest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

As for the goons at the APS… If found guilty, let’s hope the receive the maximum punishment allowed by law

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
7:28 pm

Sure thing Recon. I too have been to every state except 2 and any number of countries. I am still not presumptuous enough to think that my experiences are representative of all people, races and genders. But hey, let me know when you experience being a young black teen in Harlem or black woman in Kroger being told how lazy she is by a manager.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
7:29 pm

Still want to claim that Jay didn’t have enough to go on back in 2001. Take a look at what Maureen Downey wrote on her blog. (Actually to her credit, in retrospect):

Former APS school board member Jean Dodd got a lot wrong during her tenure, including using scholarships meant for poor children to pay for her two grandchildren’s school trips, including one to Europe.

But Dodd was right on one key point back in 2001 when Atlanta first reported astonishing leaps in CRCT scores in a dozen schools. For instance, a school that had 79 percent of fourth-graders fail the math portion of the state curriculum in the spring of 2000 saw 85 percent pass in 2001. The same school went from more than half of the students failing reading to 85 percent passing.

At the time, an indignant Dodd stormed out of a school board meeting after expressing skepticism about the validity of the scores. The closed-door meeting was to decide the amount of Superintendent Beverly Hall’s bonus, which was largely tied to test score results. Hall received a $47,520 bonus.

“Over a period of 30 years, I taught every grade of elementary school,” Dodd told the AJC. “I had just not ever seen scores like that before, and so I just made my concerns known.”

She was not the only skeptic a decade ago.

Gary Henry, who was then director of Georgia State University’s Applied Research Center, urged an independent validation of Atlanta’s stunning results. “There will be some folks celebrating Atlanta’s turnaround, and others shaking their heads at these results until you have a third party at arm’s length validate these results, ” said Henry.

And Ron Dietl, communications director of the Los Angeles-based Center for Research on Evaluation, Standards and Student Testing, told the AJC, “Anytime you have a one-year ‘miracle’ gain, it usually won’t hold up. Unless [scores] are going up for more than two or three years, then you really have to question just how accurate those gains are, especially when the gains seem almost too good to be true.”

Jay did you follow up and demand further analysis to what was even then a pretty clear picture of falsified gains?

A couple of year later, did you follow up when Kathy Augustine told your paper there were zero discipline problems in 40 APS schools because “…our reforms are working so well, we have zero discipline problems to report”?

Or like Sam Williams and the rest, were you more invested in “believing the narrative” than you were being a watchdog for the truth?

Run a link to the Donsky article, and let your readers decide whether or not you “knew or should have known” even well before 2009.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:35 pm

But hey, let me know when you experience being a young black teen in Harlem or black woman in Kroger being told how lazy she is by a manager.

Well hey, let me know if you’ve ever been in a combat Marine Corps or Army infantry unit with your life dependent on the performance of fellow warriors who could give a defecation less if you were black, white or purple.

wsm_marathoner

March 30th, 2013
7:40 pm

“Boo hoo hoo I am black and it is difficult”

As a gay man nobody has overcome more Obstacles than me and I have achieved so much despite of it!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
7:40 pm

Is that the prerequisite to being presumptuous? Congrats. Your statement made absolutely no rational sense and again means nothing in reality as to what others experience.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
7:41 pm

Cancer Pandemic: Reaping the Seeds of Nuke Tests

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, the Atomic Energy Commission doused the entire United States with thyroid cancer-causing iodine-131 — and 300 other radioisotopes — by exploding atomic and hydrogen bombs above ground. To protect the dirty, secretive, militarized bomb-building industry, the government chose to warn the photographic film industry about the radioactive fallout patterns, but not the general public.

In 1951, the Eastman Kodak Company had threatened a federal lawsuit over the nuclear fallout that was fogging its bulk film shipments. Film was not packed in bubble wrap then, but in corn stalks that were sometimes being fallout-contaminated.

By agreeing to warn Kodak, etc., the AEC and the bomb program avoided the public uproar — and the bomb testing program’s possible cancellation — that a lawsuit would have precipitated. The settlement kept the deadliness of the fallout hidden from farmers and the public, even though the government well knew that fallout endangered all the people it was supposed to be defending.

The National Cancer Institute disclosed in 1997 that some 75,000 thyroid cancer cases can be expected in the U.S. from just 90 — out of a total of 235 — above-ground bomb tests and that 10 percent of them will be fatal. That year, the NCI said, about 70 percent of the thyroid cancers caused by iodine-131 fallout from those 90 tests had not yet been diagnosed but would appear years or decades later.

The 14-year NCI study also said the 90 bomb blasts produced more than 100 times the radioactive iodine-131 than the government had earlier claimed. The NCI estimated that they dispersed “about 150 million curies of iodine-131, mainly in the years 1952, 1953, 1955, and 1957.”

If you don’t read anything else, you should read this article.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
7:41 pm

Still want to claim that Jay didn’t have enough to go on back in 2001.

And you’ve been saying it for over eight hours.

We’re just not that into you.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
7:44 pm

Steve @ 6:31

That’s what makes this blog an interesting read. :)

—————–

Recon

Add me to those who congratulate your little one on her accomplishment. I can sense the pride from your posts, and I know exactly how that feels.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
7:47 pm

As a gay man nobody has overcome more Obstacles than me…

I’m from Jupiter’s moon Ganymede, and no one has overcome more obstacles than me.

And I had to walk barefoot in the snow, uphill to get here.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
7:48 pm

Well, I can smell the rain coming and the gust of wind lets me know it’s near. Guess it’s time to close the windows now.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:50 pm

Certainly Keep, run, hide, obfuscate, prevaricate, exaggerate and nauseate. Seems to be a pattern.

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
7:52 pm

Bro, Thank you…I know you’re a proud father too.

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
7:54 pm

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
7:56 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
7:57 pm

Say it ain’t so:

From HotAir?

It definitely ain’t so.

TBS

March 30th, 2013
7:58 pm

wow

the hotair site seems familiar

Wonder if we have yet another puppet

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
8:02 pm

wsm_marathoner

March 30th, 2013
8:02 pm

Whatever! I get attacked by Black people and all the GA Rednecks! What do they have in common, they hate gay people and complain that they are held down. I think I will have another bottle of Chardonnay and really tell you what I think!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
8:02 pm

A pattern to your silliness….. yes there is. You keep on running away sweetie.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
8:05 pm

wsm: What does wsm stand for? Is that Chardonnay or G&T?

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
8:06 pm

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
8:09 pm

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
8:11 pm

back atcha TBS. Sure it has been played…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx6qPIC6izM

Detective 71

March 30th, 2013
8:11 pm

Another guy not aware that if the pause in warming continues a few more years, all of the models will have been wrong:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/30/climate-change-is-here-ready-or-not-so-what-now.html

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
8:21 pm

Well, then, kayaker. If all them “climate scientists” is wrong, then you can drive yore Suburban without no guilt, now cain’t you?

Burroughston Broch

March 30th, 2013
8:21 pm

I chided Jay Bookman a bit on his choice of “stunning” in the headline of this post. Here’s what would stun me.

I would be stunned if the politically powerful who provided cover for Beverly Hall and her cohorts for years were held responsible for their actions. I mean specifically Mayors Franklin and Reed, and the Metro Atlanta Chamber of Commerce. They kept the cap on the bottle for years, and helped make the end result far worse.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
8:22 pm

Since I released my “Cold Dead Hand” video on Funny or Die this week, I have watched Fux News rant, rave, bare its fangs and viciously slander me because of my stand against large magazines and assault rifles. I would take them to task legally if I felt they were worth my time or that anyone with a brain in their head could actually fall for such irresponsible buffoonery. That would gain them far too much attention which is all they really care about.
I’ll just say this: in my opinion Fux News is a last resort for kinda-sorta-almost-journalists whose options have been severely limited by their extreme and intolerant views; a media colostomy bag that has begun to burst at the seams and should be emptied before it becomes a public health issue.

I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure.

I wish them all the luck that accompanies such malevolence.

But what does Jim Carrey really think. :lol:

TBS

March 30th, 2013
8:27 pm

Towncrier

This is the blog police, put your puppets in the closet and walk out of the Log Cabin……………

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
8:27 pm

<i.fred- Yep. This dummy still can’t do math. He thinks Romney won…

I break this down for you and kamchak(quadruple down on stupid)

47%ers + independants and misguided Republicans = 51.2% of the vote received by obama.

See, the 47% Romney eluded to are PART of the 51.2% of the vote he got. Not all of it, but part of it.

Yeah but the 47%TOTAL that voted for Romney make up the WHOLE group of dumbasses. It’s not hard.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
8:28 pm

Syrian Conflict: The Price of Defying the West and Obstructing a US-Israeli Attack on Iran

Syria refused the disingenuous “peace deal” with Israel, unlike its regional neighbors Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar who are now all working in lock step with US-Israeli interests. While these neighbors were spared the sedition and carnage visited upon other Arab nations during the US State Department orchestrated “Arab Spring,” Syria has been hit hardest and longest. The resilience of Syria may have delayed or even shelved Western designs aimed at reasserting hegemony across the Middle East, including delaying indefinitely war with Iran.

Israel’s disingenuous attempts to reproach Syria are only one of several prescribed strategies Brookings called for in their 2009 report that have already come to pass. Another was Brookings’ suggestion to deslist and arm the bizarre terrorist cult, Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK). MEK had been listed as a foreign terrorist organization by the US State Department for decades, yet it was still heavily armed, funded, and its operatives even trained on US soil – this despite the group being listed for kidnapping and slaughtering US officers and civilian contractors.

This may be the best article I have read about the truth (there’s that word again) conflict in Syria. I invite you to read it so that you can understand the behind-the-scenes machinations going on in the Middle East. And, so you won’t be as big a dumbass as you are now.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
8:29 pm

Wow. Do we have a new blow giving us all blow jobs or is this 71Detective td using an alt to blow us the same way he has been blowing us all along?

Are you still giving blow jobs Recon? Blowing right there with td?

TBS

March 30th, 2013
8:37 pm

TC (det 71)

Where did you go?

;-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
8:41 pm

Sooth, interesting and very confusing.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
8:43 pm

A California Chick-fil-A did something shocking for same-sex marriage supporters this week: Supported them. Corey Braun, the franchisee of the Chick-fil-A in the Victoria Gateway Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., provided dozens of free meal coupons to a group of same-sex marriage advocates demonstrating Monday at an intersection near the restaurant, PinkNews notes.

Something to remember next time we get one of those posters ranting about no gay marriage and “now I am going to eat a Chick-fil-A”. :lol:

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
8:48 pm

I think moonbat betty may have gotten some Beverly Hall assistance in the NCAA brackets.

LOL!

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
8:53 pm

Something to remember next time we get one of those posters ranting about no gay marriage and “now I am going to eat a Chick-fil-A”.

Or, I’m boycotting that homophobic bible-thumper chicken joint.

G Mare

March 30th, 2013
8:54 pm

Hi, wsm. Enjoy your Chardonnay; I am enjoying mine. I like a CA one – Turning Leaf. For $6.00 a bottle, it can’t be beat (I’m on a fixed income).

TBS

March 30th, 2013
8:57 pm

godless

I’m with you. Had to be some APS cheating with moonbat. She came soaring out of nowhere…….

LOL

Jerry Eads

March 30th, 2013
8:57 pm

In ‘01 or ‘02 I got a call from a Southern Regional Education Board official who was also on an advisory board for APS, a friend from my time as head of education testing for Virginia. He and others were concerned that changes in CRCT pass rates from year to year at APS were quite large. He knew I know something about probability and statistics (and testing) so he asked what the likelihood was of these changes in student performance. I think I used my favorite comparison (not really accurate in this case, but fun) that it was like getting hit by lightning on a sunny day in the middle of the Sahara. A dozen years later – and how many tens of thousands of kids hurt for life – some of the perpetrators may finally get some semblance of justice.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
8:58 pm

Heck, I ain’t never been much for Chardonnay — too bitter for my tastes. I prefer that there Boone’s Farm Strawberry wine. Now, that’s some tasty stuff!

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
9:01 pm

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
9:04 pm

moonbat will swarm!

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
9:09 pm

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
9:10 pm

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
9:23 pm

Is there a lawyer in the house?

Is there a lawyer in the house?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgmkB6jIM6w

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
9:25 pm

fred- Yeah but the 47%TOTAL that voted for Romney make up the WHOLE group of dumbasses. It’s not hard.

I trust your expertise in being the king of the dumbasses.

Stay clueless my friend.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:27 pm

Yes Kamchak, I fully understand you’re not into me, for I have pointed out some inconvenient truths about what Jay didn’t do with what he “knew or should have known” after 2001 in APS.

I get it Kamchak; for some people admitting the truth about their heroes is difficult.

granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2013
9:29 pm

Happy Easter y’all

may all your chocolate bunnies be SOLID not HOLLOW

Easter is cool….. but remember you can start over any day you want too

anybody else going to have slightly pastel egg salad sandwiches Monday?

Arise!

Love to you all.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
9:30 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2013
9:30 pm

Hoppy Easter to you to Granny!

td

March 30th, 2013
9:31 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
8:29 pm

I do not post under other screen names and you have some type of homophobic hang up. Now go and keep being a blowhard bully Cliff.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
9:31 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:33 pm

look, td is giving blowjobs again and blowing all over the blog. Keep blowing us td. blow baby blow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

G Mare

March 30th, 2013
9:33 pm

Sooth@8:58, :) .

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
9:34 pm

thanks granny Godzilla: Saw a cottontail out back this evening. Maybe he was hiding eggs, but I bet I do better hunting in the chicken coup tomorrow. :)

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:34 pm

LOL JLK2. YOU lost with your 47% of dumbasses voting for Romney. Romeny was a Prophet this time instead of a profit, he KNEW that 47% of losers would vote for him. He predicted it. Why to be a 47%’er JLK2. You the one!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep blowing like td.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:35 pm

td: You are such a liar and have lied and been caught at it so many times no one believes you. But keep on blowing us td.

Former Dixie Chick - Natalie Maines - New Song– "Mother"

March 30th, 2013
9:35 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:37 pm

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:27 pm

Yes Kamchak, I fully understand you’re not into me, for I have pointed out some inconvenient truths about what Jay didn’t do with what he “knew or should have known” after 2001 in APS.

I get it Kamchak; for some people admitting the truth about their heroes is difficult.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

I would be embarrassed if Beverly beat me up too there Fraud and would stalk blogs about as well………

oh wait, no I wouldn’t, that’s just you.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:39 pm

moonbat betty: Way to swarm. You came out of no where with a whole can of whoop ass and sprayed the whole group.

Good job. I think you will win the blog prize. Free blowing lessons from td.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
9:39 pm

I prefer that there Boone’s Farm Strawberry wine. Now, that’s some tasty stuff!

Virgin(ity) sacrifice wine.

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
9:40 pm

WU Shocks!

Good luck in next week.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:42 pm

And Ohio State BITES THE DUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They got blown away. Did you give Wichita St. blowing lessons td? Or did you just go blow them all and get them fired up?

td

March 30th, 2013
9:42 pm

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:35 pm

Wow, everyone look at the crybaby blowhard have a breakdown on a blog. You need to serious mental health my friend. Typical bully behavior get called out and it hurts your feelings so much that you can not control yourself. LMAO

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:43 pm

Try the Bay Bridge from Kroger. $2.99. It will do a td and BLOW YOU AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TBS

March 30th, 2013
9:45 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSLGFL3Xa30

dedicated to WSU………….. I wasn’t a fan until today

As a DAWG fan this stings but go GATORS tomorrow

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:45 pm

Hey td? BLOW ME. Thanks for freeing up that phrase for us all. I love to be able to tell folks like you in simple terms you can understand where to go and how to get there.

Jesus loves your lying and bearing false witness. You are such a fine example that EVERYONE wants to come to Christ because of you. Tell us all how you blow folks for Jesus.

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
9:47 pm

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 30th, 2013
9:47 pm

tick, tick, tick

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
9:48 pm

fred- Romeny was a Prophet this time instead of a profit, he KNEW that 47% of losers would vote for him. He predicted it

He was correct then, like I am now.

Thanks for proving my point again. Keep farting in the tub and laughing your a$$ off. You the man (in your imaginary obamaland).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVagQ_LVd4

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:49 pm

JLK2 thinking Romney won and td teaching us all how to blow. it’s a new era in blogland!!!!!!!!!!

TBS

March 30th, 2013
9:50 pm

‘Thanks for proving my point again. Keep farting in the tub and laughing your a$$ off. ‘

Brought to you by the clown who thought an Op Ed piece was evidence that shows Obama should be in jail

Thanks Toucan Sam

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:50 pm

From Jerry Eads

“In ‘01 or ‘02 I got a call from a Southern Regional Education Board official who was also on an advisory board for APS…He and others were concerned that changes in CRCT pass rates from year to year at APS were quite large.”

And Jay, you want us to believe that as a member of the editorial board of the largest paper in Georgia, you were never privy to discussions with people who had similar concerns, either in education or “movers and shakers” in the business community?

For close to a decade, you just had no idea something was amiss?

Really Jay?

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:51 pm

Hey tbs: He’s gonna learn how to blow us from td. He already knows how to lie to us like td. Maybe td will blow him to Jesus.

moonbat betty

March 30th, 2013
9:51 pm

Naw Fredro, tbs has the inside if Duke rolls.

Right, tbs…

15 min for me.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:55 pm

So then tbs gets the blowing lessons from td if Duke takes it all? Don’t worry. Duke goes down in flames. (I just guaranteed them a win by saying that lol).

But no, according to the way JLK2 thinks, Valpo already has the tourny won. And td is going to blow him in agreement.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:56 pm

td? Did Newt teach YOU how to blow in his class or were you already an expert?

granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2013
9:56 pm

Heathen

#2 keeps chickens – the fresh eggs are marvelous

Toddler g loves to visit auntie two and reach under the hens for the eggs

What with the barn cats and the hunting dog puppies our little love is learning about life

And it makes him say

OOOOOH!

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
9:58 pm

The little Wichita State Shockers (formerly Wheat Shockers) shock the tournament. How sweet is that?

Back at ya GG and Happy Easter!

May the grace of God be with you and bring you peace.

You dont need no passport
And you dont need no visas
You dont need to designate or to emigrate
Before you can see Jesus
If you open up your heart
Youll see he’s right there
Always was and will be
He’ll relieve you of your cares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGI3RWBhuUo

td

March 30th, 2013
9:58 pm

The big fat blowhard at the end of the bar been drinking all day. He has been arguing and bullying anyone for hours about how stupid they are and how smart he is. Most people walk away but finally someone stands up and calls his big fat bottom out for being an arrogant blowhard. He gets pissed and flies into a rage, cussing, screaming and acting like a big ole ass. He thinks he is going to get up and show the little guy what a true bad ass he really is but when he gets up from the bar he falls flat on his face and everyone in the bar laughs at him. He made such an ass of himself that the bartender called the police and he got to spend the next few days in jail.

Moral of the story, nothing but trouble follows people that has a short fuss, can not handle their drink and acts like a blowhard.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
9:59 pm

Well it’s getting close to bedtime. I wonder if td will blow me to sleep?

And here all this time I never knew that blow means pontificate. Thanks for the new definition td. Make sure you come back and blow us some more tomorrow.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:01 pm

So who bailed you out of jail after you blew everybody and got arrested td? Or are you just telling more of your Jesus like lies?

Jesus is so proud of you td. SO tomorrow are you going to go all sanctimoniously to church, blow the congregation and bring a copy of the blog for them all to read to show what a fine upstanding Christian you are?

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
10:01 pm

fred- But no, according to the way JLK2 thinks, Valpo already has the tourny won

1. I bet without googling you have no idea where Valpo is.
2. WTF are you talking about? You’re starting to sound like my wife when she starts yelling at me for something she dreamed I said. I know reality is not your strong suit, but try to stay with us.

granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2013
10:02 pm

Jam

I don’t care if it rains or freezes…..

TOP SCHOOL ATLANTA

March 30th, 2013
10:02 pm

Lorraine B Reich, current principal of APS Warren T. Jackson Elementary manipulated, planned and executed racketeering with Millicent Few, Kathy Augustine, Sharon Pitts and Beverly Hall to pay out bonus checks to select Jackson Staff without proper criteria for the payout. Reich created false criteria after an investigation was opened by APS. Reich falsified attendance records for students and teachers. Tampered with witnesses during an investigation… threaten teachers going through the APS grievance process. She misused the state guidelines for Pay for Performance payouts. Reich used the states teacher evaluation to retaliate against teachers that would not align themselves with her corrupt practices. 10+ teachers were involved in the case and still she remains untouched by APS officials. Reich’s attorney fees were paid by Atlanta Public Schools to hide the corruption while Beverly Hall was still superintendent. Hall’s minions celebrated with Reich as she appears to get away with her illegal activity. To this day…a proper investigation of the FACTS that support the corruption have been ignored by APS OFFICIALS.

G Mare

March 30th, 2013
10:03 pm

Fred, be careful what you wish for!

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:03 pm

Blow us some more td, tell us some more Christ like lies before you bear false witness and go to sleep proudly ion the knowledge that you did EXACTLY what Jesus would do and that he’s so proud of you and your blowing. g’night td. Blow well tonight and tomorrow at church.

Just don’t inhale prematurely…….

TOP SCHOOL ATLANTA

March 30th, 2013
10:03 pm

The “cheating” under the Beverly Hall regime goes beyond test scores. Anyone attempting to disclose misuse of public funds, falsification of student and teacher attendance, falsification of criteria to receive awards dishonestly, and the process of filing a grievance within Atlanta Public Schools during the HALL administration received the same treatment. Racketeering, witness tampering, and the destruction of evidence during an investigation were consider normal practice under the leadership of Beverly Hall. The documents and the testimony of Reich do not lie. The paper trail confirms Reich’s involvement with Augustine and Hall to carefully concocted a plan of abuse of authority. It was not possible to report wrong doing or blow the whistle under Beverly Hall’s orders to hide corruption by any means possible.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
10:04 pm

Great thought, Jam. Well said.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:05 pm

Gmare. Didn’t you know? td claims and Jay verified Thursday night that blowing means to pontificate. It means to talk. A blow job is a conversation. And no one knows how to blow like td. He learned it either from Newt or maybe directly from Jesus.

We have had a complete linguistic shift right here on this blog.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:06 pm

1. I bet without googling you have no idea where Valpo is.

Valparaiso Indiana? you mean the home of Orville Redenbacher? You are NEVER right are you? I WENT to Valpo you jack ass.

appleseed

March 30th, 2013
10:08 pm

MD 20/20,Red lady 21, what we old winos drank.

td

March 30th, 2013
10:08 pm

Now look who is lying. Jay knows exactly what I said and knows exactly what the blowhard is doing. Now everyone that reads this blogs knows who the real ass is. LOL

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:10 pm

No td. Jay missed the FIRST time you tried your blowing stuff. He wasn’t on THAT blog. He caught round 2 of your lying and blowing.

And everyone already knew you were an ass lol. Keep blowing.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:11 pm

Unlike you td, I don’t need to lie. I can stand on truth. You on the otherhand? You and truth aren’t very close friends. I doubt you even know each other.

You and blowing? bosom buddies.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
10:11 pm

Well, blow me down! Caah, cah, cah, cah, cah, cah!

– Popeye

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
10:12 pm

Thanks, Sooth.

I try. Redemption is something precious…

Since our problems have been our own creation
They also can be overcome
When we use the power provided free to everyone
This is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HD-ygMaz-s

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
10:13 pm

fred- I WENT to Valpo you jack ass.

Explains a lot. I had Valpo losing in the first round (like they did). Not sure were you thought I had them doing anything.

Maybe it comes from the extreme sexual frustration you seem to be having.

td

March 30th, 2013
10:14 pm

The bully got back up on the stool had another drink and starting being a blowhard again.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:14 pm

Top School, did you ever share your concerns with the AJC editorial board?

independent thinker

March 30th, 2013
10:15 pm

Another legacy of our dumbest president, George W. leads straight to the local cheating scandal:

“”"”"”"”"”"”"Not long ago, everyone trusted teachers to make sure students didn’t cheat.

These days, however, it’s teachers who are being scrutinized for possible deception.

In Atlanta, 178 public school teachers and principals have been accused of cheating to raise scores on state standardized tests.

In Washington, D.C. the U.S. Department of Education and the D.C. Office of the Inspector General are investigating similar allegations.

And state education officials in Florida have told 14 school districts, including Miami-Dade County, to conduct internal reviews, saying “extremely unusual levels” of erasures on standardized tests raised red flags.

Allegations of testing improprieties by teachers and administrators are spreading across public school districts, from Houston to Baltimore. Educators are accused of giving students inappropriate help and, in some cases, of changing students’ answers — all to raise their schools’ test scores.

The high-stakes tests are used to measure student achievement, teacher effectiveness, and schools’ annual progress under the federal No Child Left Behind Act. School funding, staff bonuses, and jobs often hinge on the scores.

“It’s easy to look at the individuals who were involved in changing wrong answers to right answers,” said Aaron Pallas, a professor of sociology and education at Teachers College, Columbia University. “But it’s more appropriate to think of this as an example of organizational misconduct,” he said, citing examples in other fields such as the widening phone hacking scandal at a British tabloid and price fixing by U.S. corporations.

“We’re seeing some features that are similar among these school districts: pressures inside and outside of school districts to raise scores rapidly,” Pallas said. “There’s a big gap in school districts between targets and goals they’re being held accountable for and legitimate means for reaching those goals. Whenever there’s a gap between goals and having legitimate means for reaching those goals, there’s tremendous pressure and cheating becomes a way of dealing with that pressure.”

One goal of No Child Left Behind — that 100 percent of the country’s students meet state standards in math and reading by 2014 — is “unrealistic,” Pallas said, adding that NCLB needs to be revamped.

“Cheating is not a new phenomenon,” Pallas added. “What’s new is the more explicit system of powerful rewards and punishments tied to student performance.””"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

http://thegrio.com/2011/07/19/nationwide-cheating-scandals-show-flaws-in-no-child-left-behind/

Kinda more on point than Fred using this column to pontificate about sexual behavior.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:16 pm

Explains a lot. I had Valpo losing in the first round (like they did). Not sure were you thought I had them doing anything.

Well because Romney lost with 47% of the vote and you act like he won or something. i figured you were so deluded as to think thta maybe the tourny was over and Valpo won. And even if they DIDN’T just because you SAY they did then that means they did just like you SAY the ignorant dumb ass 47% didn’t vote for Romeny lol.

Damn you aren’t very bright. No wonder you listen to talk radio and watch FOX………

Are you and td in the same nursing home?

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:18 pm

The bully got back up on the stool had another drink and starting being a blowhard again.

Are you blowing again td? I guess you got your depends changed and are ready to keep going.

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:19 pm

Kinda more on point than Fred using this column to pontificate about sexual behavior.

Oh no. td maintains, and Jay upheld it that blowing it pontificating. Since when is pontificating sexual behavior?

Or is THAT what oral sex means? Excessive pontification………

Fred ™

March 30th, 2013
10:21 pm

G’night again td. Sleep tight and don’t blow too hard or fall off your bar stool again.

And pleasant dreams about your buddy Cliff, who ever that is. Sounds like he means a WHOLE lot to you.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:21 pm

I get it Kamchak; for some people admitting the truth about their heroes is difficult.

My hero?

My hero is a scorpion in this Fiat Abarth commercial.

Hubba, hubba.

td

March 30th, 2013
10:25 pm

Hopefully a good nights sleep will help you get over that drunk you are currently on but I you may need some professional help to get over that homophobic sexual hangup you are on.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:28 pm

Kamchak I will defer to you on car expertise; but based on what I’ve read today, when it comes to the dynamics of the APS cheating scandal, and the AJC’s response to Beverly Hall throughout her entire tenure (not just when it hit the fan after the 2009) when it comes to expertise on that issue, I am Richard Petty and you are Dick Trickle.

Apologies to Dick Trickle, a well respected man by all I have read.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:30 pm

I agree, You are a Trickle Dick.

Soothsayer

March 30th, 2013
10:30 pm

Well, here is a great song given that tomorrow is Easter Sunday, when we celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus.

But, before you listen to it, right-click on this link and then click “Open in a New Tab.”

Once you have the translation open in the new tab, go back and left-click on the original link. You’ll like it!

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:34 pm

My God Kamchak,that was an incredibly weak retort.

A complete lack of imagination, a knee-jerk response if there ever was one.

That would have an RPI (Retort Performance Index) outside the top 1000.

At best.

Not even NIT material.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 30th, 2013
10:35 pm

Percentage increase in no. of Americans on food stamps since 2008: 70.

Here’s to the recovery!

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
10:35 pm

fred- Well because Romney lost with 47% of the vote and you act like he won or something

No, wrong yet again. I said obama got 51.2%. Feel free to go back and look it up. I said the 47%ers (dumb a$$es like yourself) plus some others voted for obama. The fact Romney ended up with 47% of the vote has nothing to do with who the 47%ers are. Something your feeble mind can’t seem to grasp.

Romney was correct in what he said. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/full-video-of-romney-s-47-comments.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:38 pm

Bevie-poo, you have been humping my leg all day long.

Back by popular demand, please pay attention to the lyrics, as they pertain directly to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_bItWpWw0o

JKL2

March 30th, 2013
10:42 pm

Beverly- Apologies to Dick Trickle, a well respected man by all I have read.

Winningest short track driver in history. He had a pocket on his fire suit to keep his cigars in and a cigarette lighter on the dash. That way he could light up whenever they had yellow flags. Don’t make them like that anymore.

JamVet

March 30th, 2013
10:45 pm

I said the 47%ers (dumb a$$es like yourself) plus some others voted for obama.

Even Romney himself later admitted that saying that was a huge mistake on his part. (Only because he got caught.) And acknowledged that yes, a whole bunch of those people in that “47%” would vote for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOrTNBKUisw

G Mare

March 30th, 2013
10:51 pm

But, Fred, you invited her/him back. I don’t care WHAT kind of blowing it is, my scrolling finger is gettin’ tired. Which reminds me, isn’t there a song called Blow Ye Winds of the Morning? Pretty good, as I recall….

Hi, everybody, & happy what-ever you celebrate this week – Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox for us Pagans.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 30th, 2013
10:53 pm

I’ve seen the face of the enemy and I can tell you what it looks like.

A donkey shape fused with an elephant to form a weird, hideous creature.

It’s eating everything in sight.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:53 pm

Hi, everybody, & happy what-ever you celebrate this week – Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox for us Pagans.

Roll-Away-The Rock Day.

Tap Out

March 30th, 2013
11:01 pm

The Georgia women just took down #1 seed Stanford. Wow!!! Great job ladies!!!

G Mare

March 30th, 2013
11:04 pm

Okay, Kam, I can’t top that. :) :) Must admit, tho, it took me a few seconds to get it. Been many years since I knew it well & opted out. Yeah, I could go into a RANT re organized religion, but I won’t because I know many of you here still cling to it. I respect your beliefs, so I hope you will respect mine & spare me the proselytizing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
11:09 pm

G Mare

At most, I’m an agnostic. I smart enough to say that I don’t know, and I think faith is a slipshod way to run a universe.

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
12:28 am

Kam@11:03, I agree. Slipshod at best. And I think about all of the carnage through the years in the name of one religion or another, going back for hundreds of years, & I must ask, could any god be okay, agree, support this? As I know you know, most of the most heinous crimes in history have been in the name of some belief system, including Christianity.

Okay, off soapbox for tonight, but I struggle with these questions, the main one being IF THERE IS A LOVING, BENEVELNT GOD, why, WHY do so many believers harbor hate & predjudice in their hearts???

Flyboy

March 31st, 2013
2:03 am

Back after a day and a half. I came on here with anger about the reporting of the corrupt Atlanta Scool System. But there is some deep hate by some people on here. I didn’t see anyone of color under those white sheets the past 100 years. Jezzz

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:59 am

No Kamchak, I have merely pointed out you lack an effective rebuttal for any of my points made, a fact made ever increasingly obvious by the quality of your retorts.

You are to education debate what Milli Vanilli is to musical genius. A non-entity.

You can’t read the Donsky report and be well versed on the various red flags thrown up by numerous entities and conclude the AJC did all they could between 2001-2009.

Unless you’re a sycophant of the first order.

Which is exactly why Jay won’t post a link to the Donsky report. Like a previous poster astutely pointed out, way too self defensive.

weetamoe

March 31st, 2013
6:20 am

quem quaeritas ?

Recon 0311 2533

March 31st, 2013
7:56 am

Our Lord has risen. Happy Easter to all.

BSNBC

March 31st, 2013
8:24 am

The same thing will happen to Obama and all the Kool-Aid zombies will be in shock too!

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
8:38 am

Good Sunday morning and Happy Eostre, Happy Eostur, Happy Ashtoreth, and Happy all of those other deities the Christians borrowed from for Easter. Always remember there is very little original in the Christian Faith…But have fun with the children and good Easter Egg hunting.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:47 am

“The same thing will happen to Obama and all the Kool-Aid zombies will be in shock too!”

Let’s not forget that Obama sent Arne Duncan to Atlanta twice in a vain attempt to politically prop up Beverly Hall after the scandal broke out.

You think if George Bush had sent Margaret Spellings to prop up a Republican leaning school superintendent caught up in the largest cheating scandal in United States educational history, Jay would have let that pass without comment?

Maybe that’s why the posters here who are the most well versed in educational issues are the ones that are holding Jay’s feet to the fire, while the sycophants are playing footsie with their hero.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
8:47 am

” IF THERE IS A LOVING, BENEVOLENT GOD, why, WHY do so many believers harbor hate & prejudice in their hearts???”

Simple…all religions are agenda based. The true day on enlightenment will come when Mankind realizes that he/she doesn’t need a religion to worship God. That is a one on one, private and spiritual process. Don’t need a church, don’t need a lot of people around…just you and God’s ear and God and your ear. Very simple and very true.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:50 am

Which is exactly why Jay won’t post a link to the Donsky report.

Jay has already explained to you that he is at home this weekend and has no access to the AJC archives.

Geez…

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
9:03 am

The same thing will happen to Obama and all the Kool-Aid zombies will be in shock too!

Yep. Just like it happened to Bush and Cheney. I know those two hate being behind bars.

Oh, wait… nevermind. :roll:

Dr.EB

March 31st, 2013
9:12 am

[i]Seriously, a few of you are practically tripping over yourselves in your excitement at being able to take shots at those a different color than you, and by doing so are embarrassing only yourselves.

But hey, don’t let ME stop you.[/i]

———-

Jay, thanks. A lot of posters to a lot of articles seem to be happy that this happened in a majority Black city. They seem to think that this is evident of how liberals and Blacks cannot govern. I guess these same posters are happy with the ethics of the politicians we have in Georgia state government.

Question Man

March 31st, 2013
9:15 am

Is part of the alleged crime a cover-up? If so, where are the names of some Metro Atlanta Chamber of Commerce honchos?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:18 am

Is part of the alleged crime a cover-up?

BENGHAZI!!!!

Dr.EB

March 31st, 2013
9:19 am

Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?

———-

independent thinker, G.W. Bush was given credit for AIDS in African but not much else. He left a train wreck of major proportions. I have not agreed with everything that the Obama administration has done (for one being too nice and wanting to compromise so much with the republicans), but the GOP in Congress is working very hard to make sure that the train wreck continues.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:20 am

Another feeble attempt from Kamchak to prop up his own personal Limbaugh:

Which is exactly why Jay won’t post a link to the Donsky report.

Jay has already explained to you that he is at home this weekend and has no access to the AJC archives.

Kamchak nuance isn’t exactly your forte is it?

Because if it were your forte, you’d readily recognize if Jay was willing to hold his version of events to true accountability, he wouldn’t make excuses. Instead, he would have said, “When I return to work, I will be more than happy to post a link to the Donsky story and let the readers decide if we as an editorial board should have done more.”

But he didn’t do that, did he?

Nuance and discernment Kamchak; let them be your friend.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:23 am

But he didn’t do that, did he?

He pwned you on the first page of this thread and you’ve been butt hurt ever since.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:26 am

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:28 am

Sam Williams and the Chamber may not be criminally guilty, but anytime you name to your “Blue Ribbon Commission” a board member who (according to this very paper, correct me if I’m wrong Jay)
actively conspired with Beverly Hall to hide the Porter report from the rest of the board, then it is entirely appropriate to ask if they are morally culpable.

And let’s not forget the infamous, “finesse it past the governor” and they were more than willing to let some teachers take the entire fall in order to save Hall.

And from 2001-2009 we are supposed to believe that the editorial board was completely in the dark as to what was going on?

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
9:28 am

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:20 am

You are a hoot…pitiful, but a hoot.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
9:29 am

Kam,
Why bother, he’s probably one of our drive by trolls with a new name…tho’ I think this one is more appropriate for him/her…especially the “Fraud” part… :lol:

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
9:32 am

Normal. selah.

Alas, hatred and ignorance never takes a day off.

To wit, reasonably intelligent and emotionally adjusted people would save themselves all of the downstream embarrassment and simply write, “Yep, I screwed up and wrote something erroneous. Oh well, live and learn!”

But not the more intransigent and willfully blind frauds among us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyJg4d8Ioc

Common Sense is Uncommon

March 31st, 2013
9:40 am

The so called “cheating scandal” is only part of the indictment. There arer millions of tax payer dollars missing, mis use of funds, illegal use of credit cards, etc.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:51 am

Normal, can you refute any of the points I have made?

Can you refute that Paul Donsky wrote a report that detailed test gains that were called into serious question back into 2001?

Can you refute there was no follow up to the Donsky report?

Can you refute that education people expressed major concerns (as evidenced by Jerry Eads on this blog) going well back before 2009?

Can you refute there was definitely enough smoke out there for the discerning eye, (especially when taking into account the types of people the AJC editorial board meets) that Jay, Cynthia, and Maureen “knew or should have known” something decidedly suspect was happening?

And finally can you refute that all the links Jay posted as evidence he spoke up were after 2009, thus all but admitting he could have done more between 2001-2009?

Apparently not; but you can spell hoot correctly, so credit for that.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
9:52 am

HE IS RISEN !

Tundra Dude

March 31st, 2013
9:58 am

famous birthdays today

Al Gore
Bawney Frank
Me (as a registered Future Lottery Winner, hope to be famous, soon)

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:01 am

Not exactly, Kamchak. To really have done that would have required Jay to post a link to the Donsky article and ask the readers if there was enough that Jay, Cynthia, and Maureen “knew or should have known” and been more vocal between 2001-2009.

He can’t do that, because he is aware there are, in addition to his sycophants, readers who are well versed in what really went on. (Notice he didn’t address catlady, who has a well earned knowledgeable reputation on the Get Schooled blog)

No kamchak, at best he might have scored a marginal point for use of the term “apologist”.

In retrospect, terms like “enabler” or “silent co-conspirator” may have been more accurate.

A decade’s worth of academic genocide took place in APS while the “bidness” community stayed mostly silent. And you don’t think the AJC, despite their excellent post 2009 work, is part and parcel of the “bidness” community kamchak?

Really?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:06 am

Kamchak if the best you can do is call the AJC’s well documented silence on systemic cheating between the years 2001-2009 “tinfoil hat” territory…

We really need to research if Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle ever hooked up, because that’s the most plausible DNA combination to explain the lack of gravitas you have brought to this discussion.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:14 am

“Yep, I screwed up and wrote something erroneous. Oh well, live and learn!”

Well JamVet, if you are able to discern I have conceded the point that “Hall enabler” would have indeed been a more accurate term that Hall apologist.

If, as the editorial board did after Donsky/Dodd/various education people, gave them what they needed in order to have “known or should have known” and you stay largely silent for close to a decade, “Hall enabler” would indeed be a more accurate description of Jay’s actions.

Feel better now about your hero?

Tundra Dude

March 31st, 2013
10:15 am

JKL2 wrote,
If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million

It’s sounds like obama is lining her up for a cabinet position

I give you an F for trying to be a smartypants.
Bush (the Lesser) already pulled this stunt with his appointment of Dr. Paige to Sec of Edu.
Paige was the “miracle worker” (actually, cheater) from Houston.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
10:22 am

Well damn, we’ve been hearing about the donkey report for 2-3 days now, and not even our resident fraud has produced a link. Methinks there’s a personal grudge simmering below the surface kinda like old Mike from yesteryear.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
10:25 am

Normal 9:29

You are of course correct.

Mea culpa.

Tundra Dude

March 31st, 2013
10:26 am

Scout wrote,
HE IS RISEN !

So….what’s in it for you….??

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
10:32 am

Fraud, you have posited repeated silly and misguided mistakes in logical and critical thinking in the past 24 hours, the latest being the sophist, but always laughable, “your hero” deflecterbation.

Give up this childish charade in which you are a valorous vanguard of vast vision. A whistle-blower extraordinaire who said many years ago that this was going to happen. A tireless advocate for truth and justice who was working relentlessly behind the scenes on this issue over the years and is now devastated by this scandal.

Bully for you! You’ve found the latest pet cause to be self-righteously outraged about – after the fact But I don’t believe that you give a tinkers damn about the children and others affected by this disgraceful situation.

You just want blood.

Just my take on your silly screeds.

One of my young buck friends turned me onto this band…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=329DrBH21mA

Tundra Dude

March 31st, 2013
10:37 am

newbie- looking for either a 12 or 20 gauge. We’re not experienced shooters. Suggestions?

JKL2 is wrong, again. Remington also imports the H&R pardner from China, for about $200.
The reviews are surprisingly good.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
10:38 am

td

March 31st, 2013
10:43 am

I asked this question back on page one or two with no responses. What is the real harm to the children of APS in this matter. From what I have seen the test scores were better last year then they were prior to the cheating so to me that means that some improved standards and teaching has occurred. The cheating of the administrators and teachers is a crime and if they are found guilty then they should be given the sentences they deserve because I believe all of the cheating was for the reason of greed.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
10:53 am

@Beverly Fraud
You understand the system well. The AJC has selectively decided what to report. Yes, they have information about Warren T Jackson Elementary. The powerful elite of the neighborhood squelch anything that would damage their neighborhood school. This has become a racial issue. Making it look like a “black thing” has been the goal of the AJC and those reporting the details. They have carefully selected what will be told and what will be squelched. Maureen uses her site to gather what information is OUT. Cat Lady, Chilly Willy, Top School, And the Beat goes on…we’ve all been blogging since 2001. Maureen gathered the information carefully and blocked the information she feels is race baiting. I am currently blocked again. The truth is…the AJC is as much at fault for refusing to listen to anyone attempting to expose APS wrong doing over the last 15 years. They considered it NOT NEWSWORTHY when it came to individual teachers massacred by the Beverly Hall regime.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:54 am

Umm, Bropheus …his name is Paul Donsky, and I have already posted a synopsis of what he said (straight from the Get Schooled blog) and it’s more than enough evidence to indicate Jay “knew or should have known” widespread, systemic cheating was a very distinct possibility.

Next.

JamVet of course you can assert mistakes in reasoning, but other than the fact that it would have indeed been more accurate to have called Jay an “enabler” of Hall rather than an apologist, you can’t seem to point any of them out.

Fact: Paul Donsky laid out (with quotes from education officials and school board members with actual teaching/testing experience) a compelling case that widespread, systemic cheating was going on as far back as 2001.

Fact: A respected statistician in the education field, Jerry Eads, noted on this blog that APS advisers called him with concerns about the rise in test scores. Are we to believe that nobody discussed this with Jay for close to a full decade?

Fact: All the links that Jay gave as “proof” he always had the best interests of APS children in mind were after 2009.

Fact: Precious little was mentioned by the AJC editorial board between 2001-2009 despite compelling evidence to anybody who wanted to know, APS gains were a mirage.

I’m more than happy to concede that a more accurate description of Jay is that of “enabler” rather than “apologist” and if you think that puts Jay in a more favorable light, or somehow refutes the other points that have been made, I’d say you run the risk of being labeled “sycophant” with plenty of evidence to back it up.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
10:58 am

I am currently blocked again.

Translation: BOO-HOO-HOO

td

March 31st, 2013
10:59 am

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:54 am

This was a huge scandal and the AJC (IMHO did a pretty darn good job of shining light on it) may have been able to do a better job. The Administrators and teachers will face their day in court to determine what their punishment should be. The real question is what real tangible harm was done to the children in this mess?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
11:00 am

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:01 am

td, when a child is promoted 6 years in a row based on “passing” test scores that were falsified, and he’s sitting in an 8th grade classroom with a 2nd grade reading level, I think it’s fair to assume some harm was done. Yes it’s not the only reason he’s at a 2nd grade level, but that doesn’t in any way excuse the harm that was done.

That’s almost as ridiculous as saying, “What harm was done by BP? There are still fish in the Gulf, aren’t there?”

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
11:02 am

If this report came out in 2001, why wasn’t it dealt with then or ever? Why are you so hot and heavy on it now? Why all the hate, man…go eat a candy egg or something…you are a boor with all of this…

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
11:03 am

Scout,
Nobody has risen…Get over it…

td

March 31st, 2013
11:06 am

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:01 am

td, when a child is promoted 6 years in a row based on “passing” test scores that were falsified, and he’s sitting in an 8th grade classroom with a 2nd grade reading level, I think it’s fair to assume some harm was done. Yes it’s not the only reason he’s at a 2nd grade level, but that doesn’t in any way excuse the harm that was done.

That child with or without the cheating scandal would have been promoted regardless because of social promotion procedures and plus the parent always had the right to promote the child no matter the test score. Average test scores were higher last year when compared to the last year of non cheating. This means some new teaching techniques were implemented and learning has occurred. To say that the children have been educationally hurt is a false argument IMHO.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:07 am

td I get there were numerous other factors that damaged the typical APS child, from failed curriculum, to lack of support of teachers for discipline to of course home factors.

While there may have been no direct harm, on par with the other factors, the real harm in the CRCT scandal is that the test scores “vindicated” a decade’s worth of failed and flawed educational pedagogy that hampered the teacher’s ability to teach, and as a result, the student’s ability to learn.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
11:08 am

In 2004 Beverly Hall was still superintendent of APS. This Press Release was considered NOT NEWSWORTHY by the AJC. It never received public attention because the AJC and the business community were still covering up the “cheating scandal”. Beverly Hall hired a team of individuals who monitored every news article about Atlanta Public Schools. They along with northside business associates quickly put out this APS Northside fire. Although, the documents and video taped testimony of teachers and administrator Reich support the information in this article the power of the “Buckhead Way” was able to influence the judges to decide to narrowly apply the law. MR. SAM WAS NOT FIRED. There was abuse and retaliation and apparent corrupt activity by the APS system, but Mr. Sam was not fired for attempting to tell. The judges dropped the case without addressing any of the retaliation issues, misuse of public funds, or Reich’s testimony that supported her corrupt issues of falsifying documents involved in this case.
Narrow application of the law prevented the leak of any of the details involved in this case …in a right to hire , right to fire state… bottom line…Mr. Sam was not fired.

PRESS RELEASE- Sent to all Atlanta News Media – February 5, 2004

Atlanta School Teacher Alleges Discrimination, Abuse of Authority and Falsified or Misleading Documentation at Award-Winning Elementary School–Sues to be Reinstated

Today -February 5, 2004, a federal suit was served on the Atlanta Public School system and a school official alleging they retaliated against teacher John Sam, Jr. after he challenged discriminatory practices used to assign students to classes, abuse of the admissions process, financial mismanagement, and other improper practices. In addition, the lawsuit alleges that the application documents sent from Warren T. Jackson Elementary School in the Northwest section of Atlanta to the U. S. Department of Education to compete for a “National Blue Ribbon School of Excellence” award were false or misleading. Jackson was one of the Atlanta schools that received National Blue Ribbon recognition in the 2000-2001 school year.

According to the complaint, Mr. Sam was harassed, humiliated and transferred to another school, after he challenged the management ethics and practices of Principal Loraine Reich. Mr. Sam was especially concerned about the practice of placing all English as a second language (ESL) students in one section of the school, regardless of grade or age, and calling it a “Family Suite.” He sites numerous instances of intimidation and threats issued by Reich to any staff who questioned her practices or authority.

“Jackson operated like a private school funded by the taxpayers,” said Sam. “If you had the right parents or your family came from the right background you could enroll at Jackson, no matter where you lived in or outside of Atlanta. If not, you didn’t stand a chance.” Mr. Sam expressed concerns about the process and data used to justify Jackson’s application for recognition as a National Blue Ribbon School of Excellence by the federal Department of Education. He raised concerns about submissions to the Georgia State Pay for Performance program.

Further, the complaint alleges that when Mr. Sam requested that minutes from school Leadership Team Meetings be accurate or to tape record the meetings, Reich and others threatened him, humiliated him in front of colleagues, and forced him to stay in closed door meetings while he was verbally abused for extended periods by Reich. “At that moment I realized I had no option but to file a grievance. When that failed to bring about an end to the corrupt practices and the retaliation escalated. I felt I had to file this lawsuit so I could regain my career and inform the public of the issues plaguing Jackson Elementary and many others in Atlanta Public Schools. Teachers are petrified to speak out. All they have to do is look at what happened to me at the hands of my Principal and the APS Administration to know they need to keep their mouth shut unless they want to find a new career.”

Despite over ten years of outstanding performance at Jackson Elementary and over seventeen years in education service, Mr. Sam was suddenly placed on a performance review plan shortly after he sought to address the troubling problems he witnessed at the school. However, the plan was merely a ruse to pressure him. Mr. Sam’s supervisors never followed through on the plan. As a result of the continual humiliation and pressure placed upon him, Mr. Sam was eventually forced to resign his teaching job.

The Government Accountability Project, a leading national whistleblower organization, is supporting Mr. Sam’s effort to bring greater accountability for school administrators and better support to teachers in the classroom. “We know that teachers like John Sam throughout the country have the best information about what is happening in the public schools—information parents, legislators and taxpayers need to properly assess their school system’s performance,” said staff attorney Doug Hartnett. “This case demonstrates that teachers are powerless to challenge wrongdoing without risking devastating consequences. It isn’t just school employees that get hurt when administrators act this way. Ultimately, the children suffer.” Government Accountability Project is calling for the Atlanta Public Schools to reconsider the action taken against Mr. Sam and to fully and publicly investigate the charges in his complaint. “We expect students to be accountable for their actions. At the very least, we expect educators to model that behavior, Hartnett added.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
11:10 am

Fraud, until you produce this “told us all we needed to know,” report you keep referring to, you’re just _______ in the wind.

As much as I’d love to take you word for everything, I’m weird in that I prefer empirical, verifiable evidence.

My kind of hero…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tzi8wkYgI

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:10 am

td CRCT is a criterion referenced test; I think you’d be shocked at the number of students who “exceed” on it yet score in the bottom two quartiles on a normed referenced test like the ITBS. “Progress” is not always what it seems.

indigo

March 31st, 2013
11:11 am

Normal – 8:47

That’s not quite correct.

The true day of enlightment will come when all of Humankind become Agnostics and patiently wait for hard evidence that will either prove or disprove the existence of God, or Gods.

Even if God is proven, there probably won’t be any way to know which God we’re talking about.

Will it be the Jewish God, the Christian God, the Muslim God or the Gods of the Hindus?

Or, will it be some unknown God?

Either way, it’s childish and foolish for billions of people to be writing about and worshiping Gods whose very existence is unknown.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
11:14 am

Will it be the Jewish God, the Christian God, the Muslim God or the Gods of the Hindus?

Flying spaghetti monster?

Cthulhu?

Marvin

March 31st, 2013
11:15 am

Bail is a function of pretrial release that insures that the accused doesn’t commit new crimes, run away or intimidate witnesses. An accused, in the USA, is presumed innocent (or once was, considering these comments) and bail is not to be used as punishment.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
11:18 am

Either way, it’s childish and foolish for billions of people to be writing about and worshiping Gods whose very existence is unknown.

Think about that for a moment….YOU think it’s childish and foolish for BILLIONS OF PEOPLE to think differently than YOU

Aquagirl

March 31st, 2013
11:19 am

Nobody has risen…Get over it…

Liar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHies7mcsBQ

Scratch It

March 31st, 2013
11:23 am

I know it has to hurt to admit it jay. A public school system that’s failed? LOL

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
11:23 am

You’ve got to choose you heroes
Choose them well
They could be leading you straight into hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyRQFjHhZ5w

Marvin

March 31st, 2013
11:24 am

The two most important factors protecting adolescents are connection to school and connection to family. I think you’ll find that the systems that excel have involved parents, higher numbers of intact families and more quallified teachers. It has been long known that, while exceptions exist, good teachers avoid challenging schools. This is where we need someone not like Hall who doesn’t care about the credit, but will find ways to convince the good teachers to go into the difficult situations.
The other problem in Georgia is that the state has steadliy withdrawn support for public education over the last several years.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:24 am

JamVet, the proof has been presented to you. The synopsis of the Donsky article was posted earlier with large portions quoted on the Get Schooled blog a while back. Jay could easily link the entire article from the AJC archives I’m sure when he returns to the office.

@Normal “If this report came out in 2001, why wasn’t it dealt with then or ever?”

That’s the question you might want to ask Jay. Read the story (or even the sections I posted) and ask yourself why a story that potentially explosive was not followed up by the AJC. Word has it that Donsky was none too happy at the reaction he received from superiors at the AJC, who didn’t exactly “encourage” a follow up.

Add that to the numerous people who did contact the AJC editorial board, who did go to blogs who did try to get the word out, and you’ll understand this is not a “why now” phenomenon.

Why hot and bothered? Yes, why be concerned that a decade’s worth of academic genocide occurred in Atlanta, with support from the business community, the state department of education (re: Kathy Cox and “My good friend Beverly Hall.”) and the federal department of education (Obama/Arne Duncan praising Hall even after the scandal broke, Bush/Spellings turning a blind eye to falsified data before)

Why be outraged that the entire education apparatus reeks of systemic dysfunction, and lack of integrity? They are just our nation’s future, after all; it’s not like they are anything important or anything…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
11:24 am

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
11:29 am

Parmesan be upon you.

and your sins Pecorino’d

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
11:30 am

Happy Easter

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
11:30 am

Aquagirl

March 31st, 2013
11:19 am

:lol:

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
11:33 am

BTW the bunnies are becoming endangered in the Northeastern
US.
http://www.newenglandcottontail.org/

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
11:38 am

BTW the bunnies are becoming endangered in the Northeastern US.

Those guys are hard to catch too!

http://criminaljusticeschoolinfo.com/legal-justice-news/2012/05/west-virginia-state-police-chase/

getalife

March 31st, 2013
11:39 am

We shall follow the Pope and Jesus leads of helping the poor and disabled putting an end to con hatred.

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
11:41 am

I find the Hall indictment disgusting. A scapegoat has
been selected for a failing educational system and a
well intentioned educator will suffer for the ambitions
of many who will not be affected.

Atlanta Mom

March 31st, 2013
11:45 am

To the regular posters here:
May I suggest you ignore Beverly Fraud and Top Atlanta School.
They are both one trick ponies and never tire of saying the same thing over and over and over again. Beverly posts the same old stuff constantly at Get Schooled. Top Atlanta School did the same thing, but was either counseled out or gave it up. But folks over there have learned to ignore them.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
11:47 am

Thanks Mom, but I’m old enough to cut my own meat now.

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
11:48 am

Grand Juries are usually composed of hand picked
people that will indict anyone the DA wants indicted.

indigo

March 31st, 2013
11:49 am

Erwin – 11:18

Has it ever occured to you, even once, that there must be at least a billion people who essentially agree with me?

Aquagirl

March 31st, 2013
11:49 am

May I suggest you ignore Beverly Fraud and Top Atlanta School.

“A crank is a man who cannot be turned”

–A very bored Thomas Jefferson

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
11:50 am

Thanks Mom, but I’m old enough to cut my own meat now.
…………………………………………………………………………..
Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays ?

indigo

March 31st, 2013
11:50 am

Erwin – 11:47

Did that come after potty training?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
11:51 am

I’m old enough to cut my own meat now.

So that’s what the kids are calling it nowadays.

And only by opening the box may we discover if the cat has opposable thumbs.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
11:52 am

indigo – Has it ever occured(sic) to you, even once, that there must be at least a billion people who essentially agree with me?

to believe that would be childish and foolish!

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
11:54 am

Umm, Bropheus …his name is Paul Donsky, and I have already posted a synopsis of what he said (straight from the Get Schooled blog) and it’s more than enough evidence to indicate Jay “knew or should have known” widespread, systemic cheating was a very distinct possibility.

Umm, Fraud… I know what his name is. I’m merely poking fun at your rather rabid defense of something that you can’t provide a link to yourself. You ask Jay to link it, yet you can’t do so yourself. Quoting (cutting and pasting) a synopsis ain’t providing a link.

You keep harping on what Jay should have known, yet Jay is not a journalist who’s beat covers APS is he? Why should he focus on some of YOUR concern. If Jay’s thinking is anywhere near mine, then you are no more important than a bump on a frog’s ass in the grand scheme of things.

Personally, the APS issue is not a major issue to me. If they lied and cheated, then prosecute them and get on with educating the children. If you can’t prove it, then drop the crap and get back to educating the children. This crap has been dragging out forever, and that’s one of the issues I personally have. If you’re gonna raise allegations, then you should be able to prove them without taking 3-5 years and trying your allegations in the court of public opinion instead of the court of law.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
11:56 am

Atlanta Mom,

Seeing as I have commented on the issues of DCSS, Sandy Hook, APS, discipline, college drinking, charter schools, vouchers, testing issues, education in other countries, Common Core, the role of SACS, RTTT, NCLB (and this just off the top of my head) it’s befuddling how you came up with “one trick pony” You might say pointing out the lack of integrity in education is a common theme, but that does not define one as a one trick pony.

And seeing as how numerous posters have responded to my posts, including Maureen Downey, the moderator (to her credit as I have been a fierce critic at times) I’m not sure where you come up with the conclusion that my posts are ignored over there.

What does happen, I admit, when detractors are presented with facts and logic, they often beat and quick and hasty retreat as no effective rebuttal is forthcoming.

As I suspect you might well do when asked to explain how one who posts on a plethora of issues, who has people routinely respond is a “one trick pony who is ignored.”

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:00 pm

Atlanta Mom: May I suggest you ignore Beverly Fraud and Top Atlanta School.

Thanks for the suggestion, but we desperately need new trolls to play “Whack A Troll”. We’ll tire of their shenanigans after a while, but it’s like giving a kitten a laser pointer after that kitten growing tired of the yarn ball.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:00 pm

Why should he focus on some of YOUR concern. If Jay’s thinking is anywhere near mine, then you are no more important than a bump on a frog’s ass in the grand scheme of things.

It’s not about me…it’s about thousands of APS children; it’s about flawed educational policy that used the facade of “miracle gains” to justify itself. It’s about an “educational industrial complex” that spends billions not to educate, but to indoctrinate.

If you want to see where it’s all heading, Google “Invisible Serf’s Collar” and see for yourself (a link I have nothing at all to do with I might add)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 31st, 2013
12:01 pm

Well, I feel all refreshed after sleeping thru listening to the Rev. Postlewaite’s sermon this morning.

I’m kinda suprized at how upset some of these bloggers get about the Atlanta schools cheating crimes. Us people that have been around awhile know what is going to happen. The AJC will be blaring headlines about this person and that person surrendering and posting bail. Then things will quiet down for a couple years. In year 3 there’ll be rumors of a trial about to start. By year 5 the trial will really start. By that time the Fulton County crooks in the DA’s office DA will be dismissing charges against about 30 of the people. By year 6 a jury will vote Not Guilty on the Hall woman and maybe one poverty-stricken teacher will be found guilty. By this time everybody will forget what the whole thing is about and they’ll be after somebody else—maybe another airport concession scandal or indictments of people in the mayor’s office.

The truth is, you know and I know nothing’s going to come of all this. It might make you feel good a couple weeks but after that you’ll be back to griping about the usual stuff.

And truth be told, you don’t give a hang about those kids that ain’t been edumacated. You might use them to boost your argument, but you just don’t care about them. You’re out to get things in politics the way you can benefit or the way the people you don’t like can’t benefit,and the other stuff is just so much fluff.

Have a good Easter Sunday everybody.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:02 pm

but it’s like giving a kitten a laser pointer after that kitten growing tired of the yarn ball.

hey….you marginalizing me?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:03 pm

It’s not about me…

It’s always been about you.

Attention wh0re, nothing more.

Atlanta Mom

March 31st, 2013
12:03 pm

Ah, now I understand. Thanks Brosephus™

indigo

March 31st, 2013
12:04 pm

Erwin – 11:52

And, you homeschooled ignorance just keeps shining thru.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_are_agnostic

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:06 pm

Wow, I’ve finally found something that Georgia isn’t quite dead last in…

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — David Wescott has two 32-ounce growlers he brings into Proof Brewing Company to fill up and take home.

Why two? Because Florida is one of only three states where it’s illegal to fill one 64-ounce beer container, known as a growler. He can get as many of the 32-ounce containers filled as he wants, and Florida breweries can also fill unlimited 128-ounce growlers for customers to take home. But the size preferred by most beer enthusiasts is banned.

http://news.yahoo.com/fla-brewers-push-legalize-64-ounce-beer-jugs-131042216.html

I’ve only found two of the three, which I think are Florida and Delaware. Can’t find the third one yet.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:09 pm

indigo – And, you homeschooled(sic) ignorance just keeps shining thru.

As is your comprehension and use of the English language

indigo

March 31st, 2013
12:09 pm

Erwin

I freely admit I’ve never been a great speller.

And, I don’t have spellcheck.

But, by all means, keep highlighting my spelling errors as your little ego needs all the boosting it can get.

Soothsayer

March 31st, 2013
12:11 pm

Maybe some here who are in the know can help me out.

As I understand it, this “cheating” involved teachers and others erasing the marks the children put on the answer form and replacing the mark in the correct answer. Is that correct?

If that be the case, it would seem like there is a way that when the children finish the test, the answer sheets are put through a machine that circles the student’s answers with ink that cannot be erased.

Doesn’t that make sense?

Oh, BTW, judging by the stink from this whole episode, I can’t wait ’til we start with the Charter Schools. It ought to be really entertaining!

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:11 pm

It’s not about me…it’s about thousands of APS children;

Bullcrap. You’ve been on this blog for 2 days ranting, even after Jay falcon punched you after your original assertion. If it was all about the children, why are you on an opinion blog that has absolutely no connection or tie to APS? Shouldn’t you be hawking your wares at APS Board and PTA meetings? I mean, it’s all about the children right?

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:12 pm

hey….you marginalizing me?

Nah, there’s a difference between a kitten and a cat. You don’t have to eat at the kids table anymore, whereas I don’t think our current attention whore has graduated from that stage yet. ;)

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
12:13 pm

Atlanta Mom – keep serving the little debbie snack cakes…while Buckhead burns through the tax payers money to hide behind all the smoke and mirrors. They are stuffing the money in their own pockets and making a mockery of common fools that follow and ask no questions. You are their perfect mom. Keep serving your snack cakes. With no foundation soon you will figure out they had no nutritional value.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:15 pm

indigo – But, by all means, keep highlighting my spelling errors as your little ego needs all the boosting it can get.

by all means please ignore that I’ve taken issue with your “childish and foolish” remark while pointing out your spelling short comings….nowhere in the definition of Agnostic was I able to find those two terms

Gimme Gimme Gimme

March 31st, 2013
12:16 pm

Atlanta Mom – “To the regular posters here: May I suggest you ignore Beverly Fraud and Top Atlanta School. They are both one trick ponies and never tire of saying the same thing over and over and over again”

Shouldn’t Fred be include as well?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:16 pm

…keep serving the little debbie snack cakes…

Star Crunch for me!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:19 pm

Shouldn’t Fred be include[sic] as well?

No.

This has been yet another episode of one-word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:19 pm

But you see Brosephus to claim one has “Whacked a troll” you actually have to put forth an argument that refutes the points made.

-You can’t refute Paul Donsky laid out a compelling case back in 2001. To her credit, Maureen Downey has made a tacit admission of that on her blog.

-You can’t refute that others beside Donsky raised warning flags

-You can’t refute that the AJC editorial board, in their relative silence between 2001-2009 enabled (along with the Metro Chamber and others) Hall to “sell the narrative” that was based on a lie.

-And you can’t deny that at least in part that silence caused real harm, both to dedicated educational professionals, their students, and the families of each.

Just because “the crowd” here, not unlike Limbaugh dittoheads, all want to slap each other on the back and do the intellectual equivalent of “You’re a great American.” “No, you’re a great American.” doesn’t mean you’ve actually made an effective rebuttal to the basic premise that pre-2009, the AJC editorial board “knew or should have known” and could have done more with that knowledge, as as a result, harm was done.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:23 pm

-You can’t refute Paul Donsky laid out a compelling case back in 2001.

You can’t refute that you have not offered said report.

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
12:26 pm

“Yes it’s not the only reason he’s at a 2nd grade level (in 8th grade), but that doesn’t in any way excuse the harm that was done.”
=============================================

When I was in graduate school, I was taught by the head of the University’s Reading Department that the higher the grade level, the greater will be the range of instructional levels within the grade level. The professor said that that fact would ALWAYS be true because of the multiple variables of students’ backgrounds, ability levels, needs, etc. Teachers would need to be taught how to instruct to those varied instructional needs within each grade level, or school’s would need more innovative instructional designs. I found fact that to be true in my following 35 years of educational practice, first as an Instructional Lead Teacher (grades k – 7) and, later, as a high school Reading Department Chair (grades 9 -12).

This is why to form a business model in public schools in which students’ standardized test scores are manipulated and projected, as one might project an increase in sales and profit with corporations, is not only morally wrong but grossly ignorant of instructional principles and of child development.

Moreover, teachers and students perform best in a nurturing, supportive environment, in which excellence is inspired, not mandated, by those educational leaders who are not only instructionally knowledgeable but also supportive and caring of all the human beings within their school’s setting. These educational leaders would not implement a business model for instruction because they know that human beings are more complex and unique in their needs than are material “products” sold for profit. Each student’s potential must be maximized all along an instructional continuum, years k – 12, and perhaps even into the secondary years of 13 and 14 for some students to achieve, realistically, the minimum standards for a high school diploma. The education of parents and of the general public, as well as more in-depth teacher-training courses are essential to achieving educational excellence without coercion and duress. Coercion to achieve unrealistic standardized test scores, massively, and setting unrealistic educational goals for all students must be rejected. Test scores must be used ONLY to ascertain the correct instructional placement, and the correct levels of instruction, for every student, individually – irrespective of the student’s grade level assignment. Standardized test score results must never be used for bonuses for teachers or for schools, nor be used to dismiss teachers or to cut their pay. Evaluations of teachers must be multi-faceted.

Individual student’s academic records, for all students, must be incorporated within a computerized data-based system – as medical records are today incorporated into a paperless, data-based system for all individual medical patients – for easy access by teachers. Then, either through well-informed administrations being allowed to implement an intelligent change in their school’s overall instructional design, or by well-informed teachers’ own creativity, teachers must be able to address EXACTLY where every student is functioning in point of time, regardless of students’ grade level demarcations. If this realistic instructional reform is implemented in public schools, then massive failures in public schools will cease, and drop-out rates will be dramatically lowered.

Sophisticated instructional knowledge. Nurturing, not intimidating, environments. An educational, not business model, for schools. Community outreach. Educating parents. Educating legislators. State-of-the-Art technological databases of students’ instructional levels. Teachers pinpointing their instruction to the functioning levels of students, individually. Rejection of unrealistic instructional goals. Rejection of falsifying students’ progress for political purposes, or for self-promotion. Education. Education. Education.

http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/why-there-are-myriad-instructional-levels-within-each-grade-level/

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
12:28 pm

And by the way…Atlanta Mom…behind that BUCKHEAD smile is an individual rotten to the core. Some folks can see right through you. Ignored? Truth told… Divine Justice is not ignored. Some trolls on these sites are a boil on the butt of humanity hiding behind the little sweet naive titles of Atlanta Mom and Know the Truth.

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
12:31 pm

Correction: “. . .schools would need more innovative, instructional designs”, not “school’s would need. . .”

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:32 pm

ME…still pimpin’ your blog eh?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone post a comment and then link it back to themselves as a reference….the art of self-promotion is not lost on you

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:33 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone post a comment and then link it back to themselves as a reference…

Swami Dave says, “What?”

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:35 pm

Bullcrap. You’ve been on this blog for 2 days ranting, even after Jay falcon punched you after your original assertion.

Actually, the best Jay could come up with, is indeed “apologist of the first order” is not as accurate term for his actions as “Hall enabler”.

Happy now?

Shouldn’t you be hawking your wares at APS Board and PTA meetings? I mean, it’s all about the children right?

And you automatically assume this is the only only avenue of advocacy?

“Thank you for helping my child get into an afterschool program. I feel so much better now that I know he is in a safe place after school.”

“Thank you for never giving up on me; even after I dropped out of school. I went back to get my GED and I just finished my first quarter of college.”

“Thank you for all you did for me and believing in me. You’re the main reason I’m in college today.”

It’s called Walking the Walk Brosephus. Try it some time, before you automatically slam somebody because they point out some uncomfortable truths of how the paper operated for a large portion of the Hall regime.

Soothsayer

March 31st, 2013
12:37 pm

Don’t try this at home!

Saudi youths demonstrate a stunt known as “sidewall skiing” (driving on two wheels) in the northern city of Hail, in Saudi Arabia. Performing stunts is a popular hobby amongst Saudi youths.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:43 pm

Usually Erwin, “pimps” peddle their wares for money. I hardly call the willingness to share a lifetime of educational knowledge in the hopes of improving literacy instruction worthy of the negative connotation of “pimping.”

Rather, (regardless of whether you disagree with her views on charter schools/ALEC and such) it sounds like a dedicated professional who spent her life walking the walk and merely has a desire to give back.

Say what you want about the admittedly acerbic nature of B. Fraud, but I think you’re way out of line with your attack on ME.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:45 pm

But you see Brosephus to claim one has “Whacked a troll” you actually have to put forth an argument that refutes the points made.

Well, since you shift points made like a Formula 1 driver at Monaco, you would think nobody’s actually refuted anything. However, since the internet can’t be erased, you can’t hide from those whacks….

Beverly Fraud
March 30th, 2013
9:34 am

Jm you’re simply wrong.

Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order. Notice the DATES of all the editorials. There’s your proof.

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Jay
March 30th, 2013
9:53 am

OK, cite something positive that I wrote about her….

We’ll wait.

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Beverly Fraud
March 30th, 2013
10:07 am

Jay that’s a dodge and you know it! It’s not that you “said something positive” Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.

So, when you accused Jay of apologizing for Beverly Hall, did he actively apologize or did he apologize by silent default? Curious minds want to know whereas whacked moles already know.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

All that mumbo jumbo about “the crowd” goes for naught since I only claimed you got whacked, and I can prove mine, with links if necessary, yet you still haven’t provided link #1 about the Donsky aka “Donkey” report. I’ll refer to it as the donkey report because all I’ve heard thus far is braying from a stubborn jackass.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:46 pm

I think you’re way out of line with your attack on ME.

and your opinion is important to me how?

indigo

March 31st, 2013
12:46 pm

Erwin

Why, in the definition of Agnostic, would you expect to find the words “childish” and “foolish”?

If you’re old enough to drink coffee, I think you may need some caffine to clear that foggy head.

getalife

March 31st, 2013
12:46 pm

“And so we ask the risen Jesus, who turns death into life, to change hatred into love, vengeance into forgiveness, war into peace. Yes, Christ is our peace, and through him we implore peace for all the world.” Pope Francis.

Let go of the hatred cons.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
12:47 pm

@Beverly Fraud
Truth is the AJC TROLLED through the information posted on these blogs long before they admitted to the problems with APS. Beverly Hall and the Atlanta Business Community hired a promotional team to keep everything in the news about Atlanta Public Schools top rate and created a sensation out of Beverly Hall’s miracle network. When it became apparent Atlanta Public Schools ship was leaking and doomed to sink, everyone with the AJC jumped off the sinking ship and into the floating TROLL’S raft. Currently, AJC reporters are considered the prize of the city for exposing APS wrongdoing. Continue to peal back the layers of corruption Beverly Fraud…follow the Buckhead money trail. These TROLLS are rotten to the core.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:49 pm

You can’t refute Paul Donsky laid out a compelling case back in 2001.

You can’t refute that you have not offered said report.

No Kamchak, but I have laid out enough quotes from the original article (via Get Schooled) that any reasonably intelligent and well informed person could have seen what was going on as far back as 2001 in regard to systemic cheating.

Perhaps the mistake is citing sources that even the ill-informed and not so intelligent could comprehend. I’ll concede that point, based on some of the responses I’ve read here.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
12:49 pm

It’s called Walking the Walk Brosephus. Try it some time, before you automatically slam somebody because they point out some uncomfortable truths of how the paper operated for a large portion of the Hall regime.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You know absolutely nothing about me, and yet you appear to project your shortcomings onto me. See, people like you have to wear their accomplishments on their sleeves as some kind of badge. I don’t come on here bragging about what I do, as I let my actions speak louder than words. I’ve walked the walk and then some. Kudos to you for what you do. However, don’t make a complete ass of yourself and assume that some stranger you’re talking to doesn’t do the same or even more. You’re only setting yourself up for embarassment.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:50 pm

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
12:47 pm

Beverly Hall and the Atlanta Business Community hired a promotional team to keep everything in the news about Atlanta Public Schools top rate…

Back by popular demand: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Just for you, sport.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
12:50 pm

If you’re old enough to drink coffee, I think you may need some caffine(sic) to clear that foggy head.

of course if you’d rather not address your “childish and foolish” remark, I understand…I wouldn’t be able to defend it either

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
12:52 pm

…but I have laid out enough quotes from the original article…

Cherry-picked, no doubt.

Link the full report so I can determine it’s validity myself.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
12:55 pm

It wasn’t said for your benefit Erwin, as one could readily intuit the point would be lost on you.

Again, Brosephus, all that shows is that yes, a more accurate description of Jay would have been “Hall enabler” as opposed to “Hall apologist”

That this somehow makes you feel better, or that you have somehow provided an effective rebuttal is telling.

elgrunir

March 31st, 2013
12:56 pm

Folks (especially Beverly), the phrase is “Walk the talk,” not “Walk the walk.”

The latter is meaningless; the former means that you do what you say you are going to do.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
1:00 pm

It wasn’t said for your benefit Erwin,…

If only you could intuit my relief and disappointment

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
1:01 pm

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
1:01 pm

By way of disclaimer for Beverly, though I enjoy a lot of his music, and I agree with some of his philosophy and observations, David Bowie is not one of my heroes. (Other than in the musical sense!)

Just another cool cat laying down some really good stuff…

“Questioning my spiritual life has always been germane to what I was writing. Always.”, because he is “not quite an atheist and it bothers me.” In the Esquire interview “What I’ve Learned”, he stated “I’m in awe of the universe, but I don’t necessarily believe there’s an intelligence or agent behind it. I do have a passion for the visual in religious rituals, though, even though they may be completely empty and bereft of substance. The incense is powerful and provocative, whether Buddhist or Catholic.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcc5V9Hu3g

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
1:01 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes- March 31st, 2013 -12:50 pm
I see you sent a photo of yourself. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Check out the payroll records with APS-

Beverly Hall hired a journalist team to promote herself and the “miracle test shop network”.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
1:02 pm

You know absolutely nothing about me, and yet you appear to project your shortcomings onto me.

Actually, Brosephus, that’s exactly what you did to me.

And I did not disparage your efforts to society as a whole. I merely made a reasonable assumption that your efforts/good deeds haven’t been in the realm of helping students and youth, as many of those I know who have are knowledgeable enough in that specific realm to call Jay and the AJC to account for the period of 2001-2009.

Kamchack…WRONG. I posted Maureen’s post about the Donsky article in its ENTIRETY.

Nice try though.

Off to celebrate with family-to those of you who think a more plausible explanation is “My mother cut the Internet off in the basement”…I concede the point

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
1:07 pm

Erwin’s Cat, 12:32 pm

“ME…still pimpin’ your blog eh? I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone post a comment and then link it back to themselves as a reference….the art of self-promotion is not lost on you.”
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I am sorry that you view the time and effort that I took to inform the public about the value of an educational model, instead of a business model, for public education, as “pimping my blog.”

I referenced my personal blog link simply to inform, further, any interested readers about educational matters which are important. I make no monetary benefit from sharing the information on my blog, and I am not after name recognition, because I do not use my name, either here or on my blog.

Just as some people think that Superintendents of Schools and school adminstrators cannot improve the educational standing of students except through the intimidation of teachers, some people, likewise, will see petty, self-interest in the intention of others, as you have done regarding my motivations. You, however, are as wrong about my motivations. Could you be projecting, perhaps?

Btw, for the public: The link that I gave in my post for the further knowledge of interested readers, itself contains more detailed links, which I hope some educators and parents, especially, who read this thread, will also choose to read to be further informed regarding educational phenomena, in depth, based on my experiences as an educational leader of 35 years.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
1:12 pm

Beverly Hall hired a journalist team to promote herself and the “miracle test shop network”.

“If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.”
– Thomas “Kamchak” Jefferson

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
1:12 pm

@ Beverly Fraud, 12:43 pm

Thank you for your remarks concerning my intent in posting my 12:26 pm post. Much appreciated.

Stevie Ray

March 31st, 2013
1:13 pm

Is it just me or does it seem like the entirety of Atlanta City politics has been defined more by corruption than progress in memorable history? Follow the money…from bond sales to seeking cash by falsifying childrens scores…At least this Kasim Reed appears to be a solid man. I’d vote for him..

Hope he doesn’t let me down..

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
1:13 pm

ME – the value of your posts are not measured in it’s number of words
how about next time try “checkout my blog”

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
1:14 pm

<i.Again, Brosephus, all that shows is that yes, a more accurate description of Jay would have been “Hall enabler” as opposed to “Hall apologist”

That this somehow makes you feel better, or that you have somehow provided an effective rebuttal is telling.

Well, using your logic, then there’s about 4 million others in the metro area that fit your description. I’m willing to bet half of them have absolutely no idea of who Beverly Hall is, but they’re enablers by your definition since they haven’t spoken out about APS. And to think, you’re talking about APS students….

Stevie Ray

March 31st, 2013
1:15 pm

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
1:07 pm

Could it be that very few of us are interested in being directed to your blog link? Who’s interest is being served by that?

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
1:16 pm

Kam @ 1:12

I LOLed!!!

Stevie Ray

March 31st, 2013
1:20 pm

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
1:14 pm

To me, this whole episode is jut another example the impact of the poor incentives our dysfunctional government(s) promote. Bonus’ based on scores controlled by those collecting the papers. Quite a no brainer from the getgo but who designed such a system and what were the driving motives? A standard that is manipulated by the administrators running toward cash versus actually providing necessary skills to children….

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
1:21 pm

Back for a quick point of correction to elgrunir, from phrases.org.uk on Walking the Walk:

The earliest usage that I (author of the blog) can actually verify is a citation from the Ohio newspaper The Mansfield News, June 1921:

“Although he has no gilded medals upon his bosom, Howard Herring of the North American Watch company, walks the walk, and talks the talk, of a hero today.”

More recently, and especially in the UK, where ‘walk the walk’ has never caught on, the phrase is sometimes condensed to ‘walk the talk’. This appears to have derived in the UK as a simple mishearing of the American original.

I would make reference to egg on face, but to be fair, perhaps elgrunir is of U.K. origin. Perhaps just a “simple mishearing” of the phrase whilst having a pint at a local pub, amidst the hue and cry of a Premier League football match.

I’ll concede the point.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
1:24 pm

I posted Maureen’s post about the Donsky article in its ENTIRETY.

Maureen’s post?

I think I see the problem.

I don’t need Maureen’s take on the article, what I need is the actual article.

Post a link to Donsky’s article so that I may read the article FOR MYSELF.

Again, put up or shut up

Stevie Ray

March 31st, 2013
1:26 pm

Wow! Is it true that Al Gore is already working on a script of his next Nobel prize winning climate movie? Surely “the sky is falling” can be validated or otherwise sold to the unsuspecting…as this science matures, look for more validation that the earth is not as sensitive to our follies as our ego’s like to think..

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Normal, plain and simple...

March 31st, 2013
1:26 pm

I’m not quite sure what Beverly Fraud is trying to prove…with no link, I might add…but one thing I do know for sure…Beverly IS a fraud.

———

Off to Family dinner…seems we caught this weird rabbit with baskets of candy and stuff. He’ll make a fine meal…and dessert! ;)

kayaker 71

March 31st, 2013
1:29 pm

Obviously, Ms Hall and others, including the APS hierarchy thought they were untouchable. You wonder how they could have been so brazen in what they did. Then many times, those in authority think that they are beyond the law and self serving is part of the norm instead of against the law. When you entrench a group of people like this in layers of insulation for so long a period of time, they think you have a mandate to continue what they are doing. This chick even hires a PR firm to praise their wrongdoing….. at taxpayer expense!! I hope that Ms Hall and the other perps get what they deserve instead of a slap on the wrist and some kind of idiotic probation and public service.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
1:29 pm

To me, this whole episode is jut another example the impact of the poor incentives our dysfunctional government(s) promote.

I don’t quite see it that way, but I understand where you’re coming from. Personally, I think we effed up by letting politicians get too involved in education.

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
1:30 pm

Erwin’s cat @ 1:13 pm

AND

Stevie Ray @ 1:15 pm

It is not the number of words in my posts that are important; it is the number of concepts and details regarding instruction that are important, imo, to share.

AND

My links are intended for those readers who are interested, regardless of how few – or how many – that number might be.
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I come here, rarely, but when I do, I hope only to be a positive force, not a negative one. I hope that all readers will have a blessed Easter Sunday and a happy Passover. Good day.

getalife

March 31st, 2013
1:43 pm

cat,

Stop attacking her and listen to the folks in the field.

Terrageezer

March 31st, 2013
1:44 pm

Hope they throw her UNDER THE JAIL and then throw away the key….next they should sue her or her estate for all her salary and her bonuses she received while the cheating was going on…..she is nothing but a LIAR AND A CROOK – Let her spend the rest of her miserable life in cold dark lonely prison cell in solitary confinement.

Erwin's cat

March 31st, 2013
1:45 pm

get…I take issues with her method, not her message

clem

March 31st, 2013
1:51 pm

i hope michael thurmond is working in dekalb for the right reasons. one year as i understand it, but not sure what that means as he seems still young and energetic. anyway, we need the best and brightest black leaders to lead the way. after all, they are the majority in aps and probably have more experience and can relate better than even well intentioned folks like deal, bowers, et. al.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
1:52 pm

Some information Jay would have had ready access to, if he followed up with Donsky in the least.

Again, here’s the Donsky article direct from Maureen at the AJC (you can say it’s not the “original” if you want to run the risk of sounding as stupid as a birther asking for the long form if you wish)

Before you read, consider these two key points; points Jay would have been aware of if he were even remotely interested in being the “watchdog” the AJC claims to be:

-Gary Henry, the GSU expert Donsky quoted, offered APS a computer analysis of their scores, an offer which APS refused

-The state, even then, could have conducted erasure analysis.

Did Jay or the editorial board advocate for either Henry or the state to look into the results, and if they did, did they do it (as they have with other issues) ENOUGH times to bring full sunlight to the issue?

And if they didn’t, now that you know from the article below what they “knew or should have known” could Jay and the editorial board done more on behalf of being a “watchdog” for the citizens of Atlanta?

Again, not irrefutable evidence, but only the greatest sycophant would say it wasn’t compelling evidence.

From Donsky back in 2001

Of the 68 elementary schools tested last year, 30 had gains of 30 or more percentage points in one or more CRCT subjects. Ten of those had gains of 40 or more points. And Dobbs is one of 17 Atlanta Public Schools that did well enough to come off the 2000 failing list.

Atlanta school officials say new reform efforts and old-fashioned hard work by teachers and students helped push the district’s scores up.

But amid the cheering, there are some questions. A rise in scores is expected the second year any standardized test is given, as was the case with the CRCT last spring, because students and teachers become more familiar with the test. But sudden 40-, 50- and even 60-point spikes are not common, testing experts say.

“Either somebody is doing a terrific job at something . . . or there’s something inappropriate going on, ” said Gregory Cizek, associate professor of educational measurement and evaluation at the University of North Carolina.

Some of the numbers are astonishing:

> At Dunbar Elementary School near downtown Atlanta, three-quarters of fourth-graders passed the reading portion of the test, compared to about one-quarter last year.

> At M.A. Jones Elementary in west Atlanta near the Atlanta University Center, 88 percent of fourth-graders passed in math compared to 34 percent the year before, a 54-point increase.

> At Thomasville Heights Elementary School in southeast Atlanta, 73 percent of fourth-grade students passed in reading, compared to 19 percent the year before.

Atlanta does about-face

Atlanta’s results are notable because many schools that posted huge gains have student populations that are almost entirely minority and low-income, groups whose test scores historically have lagged far behind. At several schools that posted huge gains, including Thomasville Heights and Cook Elementary schools, nearly all students live in public housing.

Atlanta’s CRCT scores remain below the state average but are in line with neighboring systems in the metro area. However, Atlanta’s scores are rising much faster. For example, 72 percent of Atlanta fourth-grade students passed in English in 2001, a 15 percentage-point jump from the year before. In Fulton County, 80 percent passed in English, a 2-point jump. Clayton County posted a 71 percent pass rate, an 8-point jump. DeKalb County had a 70 percent pass rate, a 3-point jump.

For Atlanta Public School officials, the scores help validate reforms that have been put in place in recent years, such as an intensive reading program designed to boost literacy in early grades. Kathy Augustine, deputy superintendent for instruction, said the district also made sure teachers knew the topics covered on the CRCT. Principals checked regularly to see that those areas were covered in class.

Atlanta school officials say the rise in CRCT scores should not raise eyebrows, pointing out the district’s SAT scores jumped 16 points this year.

Still, Atlanta school officials say they double- and triple-checked the CRCT results, at times examining scores of individual students, to make sure the numbers added up.

That wasn’t enough for Atlanta school board member Jean Dodd, who stormed out of a school board meeting Sept. 17 after expressing concern about the validity of the scores. Her comments came during a portion of the meeting that was closed to the public. The meeting was held to decide the size of Superintendent Beverly Hall’s bonus, which is largely tied to test score results. She received a $47,520 bonus.

“Over a period of 30 years, I taught every grade of elementary school, ” Dodd said in an interview. “I had just not ever seen scores like that before, and so I just . . . made my concerns known.”

Third-party audit sought

Gary Henry, who has studied state testing for years and serves as director of Georgia State University’s Applied Research Center, said Atlanta’s results should be independently verified.

“There will be some folks celebrating Atlanta’s turnaround, and others shaking their heads at these results until you have a third party at arm’s length validate these results, ” said Henry.

The most likely organization to do that is the state Office of Education Accountability, formed last year to grade schools as part of the state’s education reform efforts. OEA Director Davis Nelson said he will be drafting a policy in the coming months to determine when to launch such investigations. Dramatic test score jumps could be one trigger of an inquiry.

Atlanta school officials defend the scores and say there’s no need for such an audit.

“We are proud and our students are proud of the scores, ” said spokeswoman Pat Bowers. “And we believe the results should be allowed to speak for themselves, particularly when reinforced by other test scores over the last year.”

Cheating and manipulation on standardized tests has occurred in other cities, including New Orleans, New York and Fairfield, Conn., where officials in 1996 discovered an unusually high number of wrong answers erased. Two Atlanta high schools were investigated and ultimately cleared last year after allegations arose of cheating on the high school graduation test.

Georgia State’s Henry said there are several possible explanations for Atlanta’s test scores.

“When you look at these numbers, ” he said, “the first reaction is that your jaw is going to drop.” However, he said a much higher percentage of last year’s fourth-graders were enrolled in pre-kindergarten programs than the previous year’s fourth-grade students, making them better prepared. Also, last year’s fourth-graders were also the first in APS to benefit from a new district reading program that targets early grades.

But, he added, “no single factor is likely to explain” the results.

Ol' Timer

March 31st, 2013
1:52 pm

The Atlanta School Board paid Dr. Beverly Hall hundreds of thousands of dollars and she took credit for a miraculous turn-a-round when the truth was to be found in a box of #2 pencils with erasers. Damn.

She cheated and lied and tried to cover it all up, but in the end, regardless of what happens to Hall and all of her co-conspirators, it’s the children that were the losers.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
1:53 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes “If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.”

HaaaaaHaaaaaaaa! You are projecting again…I did my research. Why don’t YOU ACTUALLY DO SOME! The case is recorded in Federal Court.

I am not here to supply you SUPPORTING documentation TO EXPLAIN YOUR ignorance. It is clearly projected in your title THUG.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
2:01 pm

Top School Kamchak may have to change his moniker to -Running up the Steppes, as he apparently has beat a quick and hasty retreat now that the Donsky article has been (yet again) posted.

Ken

March 31st, 2013
2:03 pm

Mary E. I like what you write. My Grandson attends a Christian School and it has the enviorment that you describe.

Stuffy Old Men: Region, Religion, Race and Class Define and Buffet GOP

March 31st, 2013
2:03 pm

The once-Republican Solid South is starting to look like a blue-and-red checkerboard, writes Lloyd Green.

Given what the Republican Party is and where America’s demographics are heading, it is unclear whether the Grand Old Party can successfully pivot to the center without jeopardizing its socially conservative evangelical base. Electoral competitiveness remains elusive for Republicans as singles and younger voters have migrated to the Democratic Party. The GOP is also shackled with the legacies of Iraq, Katrina and the crash of 2008 that have led many to view Republican competence as oxymoronic.
So at best, the party is barely treading water. A recent PPP poll shows both incumbent Senator Marco Rubio and former Governor Jeb Bush trailing Hillary Rodham Clinton by double digits—in Florida. Putting things in perspective, if the Republicans do not win Florida, they cannot re-take the White House. Indeed, with Florida, and Virginia — another state that Barack Obama carried twice—the once-Republican Solid South is starting to look like a blue-and-red checkerboard, with Democrats now owning some of the biggest squares.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/31/stuffy-old-men-region-religion-race-and-class-define-and-buffet-gop.html

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
2:06 pm

@Ken, 2:03 pm

Thank you, Ken, for your comment.

Wondering

March 31st, 2013
2:12 pm

Jay,

Still waiting for your editorial about De Marquise Elkins … you had plenty about George Zimmerman.

Logic 94

March 31st, 2013
2:15 pm

Beverly Hall will never be held accountable by jurors in Fulton County.
She is just another victim of the white power structure.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
2:27 pm

Well now that the Donsky article has been posted, as well as the knowledge that both Gary Henry offered to conduct testing analysis, and the state was able to conduct erasure analysis (both 2001) Jay may have a difficult time explaining why the editorial board wasn’t demanding accountability given the suspiciously widespread gains.

In 2001.

One gets the feeling the next Friday video will feature Jay and the Sycophants doing a cover version of Cher’s “If I could turn back time”

Can’t wait to see the costume changes during the guitar solo.

Mary Elizabeth

March 31st, 2013
2:28 pm

@ getalife, 1:43 pm

Getalife, if your remarks were in reference to me and to my comments, I thank you for them.
And, as usual, I send you my best wishes. . .

DannyX

March 31st, 2013
2:29 pm

“Can’t wait to see the costume changes during the guitar solo.”

Dude, seriously, get some help.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
2:31 pm

SIGNS OF THE TIMES ……….. I predict these incidents will only get worse. If you are out there at a mall, beach, etc., especially with your family, stay alert and leave at the first sign of trouble.

Headline: “Teen Mob Action Takes Over Chicago’s Gold Coast”

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/30/breaking-chicago-police-swarm-mag-mile-wilding-scene/

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
2:34 pm

Beverly Fraud:

Are you new on here? Hope you stay around awhile. It’s amusing watching some on here trying to deal with you.

As you know, liberals will never investigate or hand up one of their own unless absolutely forced to do so. It’s just their nature ………….. “the end justifies the means” syndrome.

Keep up the heat !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
2:34 pm

Time for basketball !

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
2:39 pm

Re: Are you new on here? Hope you stay around awhile. It’s amusing watching some on here trying to deal with you.

They do seem somewhat befuddled don’t they?

YouLibs

March 31st, 2013
2:40 pm

Christopher Sanchez

March 31st, 2013
2:45 pm

It is terribly difficult to believe that someone with an ego like Hall was unaware of the rampant cheating within APS. We will see how this plays out indeed. With the indictment of Hall, at least the families in Atlanta know that this scandal is being taken very seriously.

YouLibs

March 31st, 2013
3:01 pm

“As you know, liberals will never investigate or hand up one of their own unless absolutely forced to do so. It’s just their nature ………….. “the end justifies the means” syndrome.”

Richard Nixon, John Connoly. David Vitter, Jack Abramoff, G. W. Bush, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Darrel Issa, Michele Bachman, Rush Limbaugh, Jim Greer, Rick Scott, and everybody on every board on every Wall Street institution say “What?”

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
3:08 pm

Actually, Brosephus, that’s exactly what you did to me.

And I did not disparage your efforts to society as a whole. I merely made a reasonable assumption that your efforts/good deeds haven’t been in the realm of helping students and youth, as many of those I know who have are knowledgeable enough in that specific realm to call Jay and the AJC to account for the period of 2001-2009.

No. I pointed out where Jay made you start your world record attempt at goalpost moving when he whacked your original assertion into the upper deck nosebleed seats. You called him an apologist when you had no proof that he ever apologized one time for Ms. Hall. Your feeble attempt to switch to “enabler” made things worse as your definition of enabler would encompass almost everyone in the metro area, including those who moved in after the fact.

I moved to Georgia in 2000, and I haven’t had the slightest concern for APS until this stuff came out. I haven’t heard of Paul Donsky until you brought his name here. I live comfortably south of Atlanta in a conservative community where I’m quite comfortable with my school system. By your definition, I would be an enabler.

Then, you boast of the things you do as though you’re something special. Give me a f**king break, as mentors and volunteers are quite common. I’ve been there, done that, and watched students get awarded for their great achievements. If I were you, I would get out of the reasonable assumption business as your skills suck like something out of a Hoover factory.

getalife

March 31st, 2013
3:26 pm

appleseed

March 31st, 2013
3:43 pm

If you have never cheated.Give them he**.If you have never lied,check your pulse.When you lie you cheat.

clem

March 31st, 2013
3:45 pm

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
3:51 pm

At some point liberals, in particular black liberals will have to understand that racial politics is hurting their own community more than its hurting any other community.

Despite the score of history being firmly against the actions of the white race, blacks have yet to realize that the vengeful power grab mentality of electing only people who look like them is hurting them more than the slave master ever could.

Once when slave holding was legal the blacks were justifiably wary of any white controlled government body. Those bodies sought to hold down the black population and ensure their servitude. The second most effective way of accomplishing this was to deny them an education. Today blacks in Dekalb, Clayton and now Atlanta have perpetrated the same crime upon their own children. They have ensured that their own community will stay undeserved and under accomplished. Today those communities have witnessed the acts of the Judas who serve them. The acts of blacks who will sacrifice their own communities advancement for the sake of riches.

In all three incidents the boards are/were led by very highly paid “professionals” who in the end only sought to continue the rate of pay that they themselves had accomplished.

Blacks are the only group in America who fall on their own knives for the sake of self forefillment.

Woman do vote for men, men do vote for women, whites do vote for blacks, gays do vote for heterosexuals but rarely do blacks vote for whites of any ilk.

And is because they not only have been mistreated by whites but perhaps more importantly today, they are being mistreated by false and insincere leaders, who in reality base their own riches and good fortunes on their own race being victimized and exploited.

The inner city will stay the inner city and the suburbs will continue to lower standards until blacks determine to set the goal as high as possible rather than as low as possible.

The saddest thing seen, which was perpetrated on her by the trustworthy black “leaders”, was this 8th grade black girl speaking at the indictment news conference- on a 5th grade level.

And not a klan robe in sight.

TM

March 31st, 2013
4:01 pm

Fraud= I don’t get your point which newspaper published the Donsky article?

barking frog

March 31st, 2013
4:02 pm

Mama Says
rarely do blacks vote for whites
……………………………………………………….
and blacks did not vote in any presidential elections
until Obama ran……..or any campaign where no blacks
were candidates..

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
4:04 pm

And the beat goes on…

Has anyone researched how much money Beverly Hall spent to hire a PR firm to promote herself during her APS reign?

How many other lawsuits were filed against the APS corrupt system under Beverly Hall’s tenure? And the details of how much was spent fighting each case.

How much taxpayer money has been spent on the rise and fall of Atlanta Superstar of the Miracle Testing Network leader – Beverly Hall?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Jay

March 31st, 2013
4:12 pm

“Woman do vote for men, men do vote for women, whites do vote for blacks, gays do vote for heterosexuals but rarely do blacks vote for whites of any ilk.”

Black voters have been voting for white people for decades. More than 90 percent of black voters voted for Clinton, Gore, Kerry, etc.

It’s just profoundly silly to claim that “rarely do blacks vote for whites of any ilk.”

And then there’s this picture:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/01/28/why-does-gop-have-an-image-as-party-of-white-males/

Add to that the fact that there is, I believe, just ONE black Republican in the entire U.S. Congress. Apparently, Republican districts don’t like to elect black people to represent them.

Melvin Everson is another interesting example. As a black Republican state legislator with more money than anybody else in the race, and with the implied endorsement of a lot of the GOP establishment, he ran for the GOP nomination for Georgia labor commissioner in 2010 and expected to do well.

He lost by 40 points.

getalife

March 31st, 2013
4:15 pm

“It drives me crazy when the captains of the religious right are always calling us back … for blacks to be back in the back of the bus … for women to be back in the kitchen … for immigrants to be back on their side of the border”:President Obama.

We will keep moving forward into the 21 st century dragging you cons that want to go back.

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:17 pm

I find it amusing that the fraud hasn’t had a word to say on the Let’s Get Schooled Blog today…….

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:17 pm

Barking frog,

I think if u used common sence u would know that those blacks who vote in elections which offer no black canidate have to vote for a white one.

The last two presidential election show exactly what is happening on the local level. Blacks overwhelming ly vote for blacks when they have the option. It would seem to be proof in the fact that Obama got 97 and 94% of the black voters and that the school boards in Clayton, Dekalb and Atlanta are 100% to 98% black.

You can argue if you like the facts speak for themselves.

I would also add that blacks don’t seem to care about the character of the person they vote for. Mayor Berry on tape smoking crack, Al Sharpton on tape doing a drug deal and most recently blacks in Clayton county reelected a black man who was under a 37 count indictment, as sheriff.

At some point the lack of thought, in the voting both will destroy what’s left of the black community.

At some point the lack of character review of your own canidates will trump the latent fear of the white race.

Again argue all u like, no klan present in Clayton, Dekalb or Atlanta. The crimes were perpetrated by blacks, on black kids.

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:20 pm

Jay,

You are citing elections in which there were no black candidates.

Continue arguing the circular argument.

You know the facts, you should stop promoting the myth.

Give me some stats on races that the black candidate lost when it was for a seat in a majority black district, and the opponent was white.

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:21 pm

<i.Mama Says
rarely do blacks vote for whites
……………………………………………………….
and blacks did not vote in any presidential elections
until Obama ran……..or any campaign where no blacks
were candidates..

I know Frog, right? Why do folks make such ignorant statements? Are they REALLY that stupid? I don’t understand. I personally can’t believe anyone would be so stupid so I think think they are just being deliberately dishonest.

Am I wrong? Are they really that stupid?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:22 pm

Hummmm ……………………..

Headline: “Obama’s incredible shrinking clout”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/28/obamas-incredible-shrinking-clout/

indigo

March 31st, 2013
4:23 pm

Jay – 4:12

You know perfectly well Mama Says was refering to elections where Black candidates are on the ballot.

You also know that many white voters will NOT vote for a black candidate. This may be one factor in Everson’s loss.

This twisting of the facts shows how importand PC is for you, either for personal beliefs or for continued employment.

Before you dismiss me as just another racist answer this question:

How much chance does a white candidate have in the next Mayor’s race?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:24 pm

COME TO GEORGIA ! WE NEED THE JOBS !!!

Headline: “Gun makers facing new limits urged to relocate”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/31/gun-makers-facing-new-new-limits-urged-to-move/#ixzz2P9Q2eNnJ

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:26 pm

Hello Brocephus (and the others with brains, morals and integrity posting here today). Nice post at 3:08.

Goodbye Brocephus (and the others with brains, morals and integrity posting here today). It took me so few posts to reach my limit of stupid today that I better leave before I say something bad and get a red card lol.

I don’t know how you can read this crap Jay and remain optimistic. More power to you. You are certainly a better man than I. I can in no way tolerate the stupid like you can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlzWQUxo3lw

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:26 pm

But it’s o.k. if professional hockey players, boxers or extreme fighters have bloody fist fights in front of kids ……………. that’s o.k.

Hummmm ………………..

Headline: “Two Nevada youth football coaches are facing criminal charges in connection with a bloody fist fight in front of dozens of players and parents after a game in northeastern Nevada.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/31/2-nevada-youth-football-coaches-charged-with-battery-in-bloody-post-game-fight/#ixzz2P9Qa8fVI

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:27 pm

Please explain to me how you can vote for a black candidate if there is not one !

You idiots are trying to argue that blacks voted for whites all the time. You seem to forget that the first and only time they had a black option they took it, overwhelmingly.

As they do in every local election in which that option is available to them.

You can continue your its myth turn logic or select competent and qualified leader, be they black or white.

The decision is yours. Call me names all u like, it’s still the black community that suffers

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:28 pm

You also know that many white voters will NOT vote for a black candidate.

Here is a perfect example of the stupid I am talking about. President Obama was elected ONLY because Black people voted for him? Really?

Wow.

TM

March 31st, 2013
4:29 pm

“How much chance does a white candidate have in the next Mayor’s race?”

If he or she is qualified and gay, I say pretty good based upon the current demographics.

Cherokee

March 31st, 2013
4:32 pm

Oh good grief, indigo. It cuts both ways.

Obama has had far more trouble being accepted by white people because of his race. From yahoo Georgia congressmen calling him uppity, to SC congressmen yelling that he lies during the middle of a speech, and then raking in tons of campaign contributions… well you could go on and on.

Race is still a problem in America – for someone like Mama says or you to pretend that it’s just a problem in the black community is just goofy.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:33 pm

NO SURPRISE HERE !

Headline: “Survey: New York, California last in personal freedoms”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/31/survey-new-york-california-last-in-personal-freedoms/#ixzz2P9RGHTBI

BY THE WAY:

NORTH DAKOTA WAS NUMBER ONE AND GEORGIA WAS NUMBER NINE !!

http://freedominthe50states.org/

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
4:33 pm

Scout writing about intellectual honesty and Mama lamenting the plight of the poor black people in this country.

Hysterical.

I guess they are getting a head start on April Fool’s jokes…

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:33 pm

Fred,

Are you saying that there were no racists whites who did not vote for Obama?

The entire point of this is to prove that race based voting is a problem.

You also proved an aspect of my point.

Can you name a race in which the blacks voted for a white candidate over another black ?

The white voters in America voted at around 54 % for Obama in the first election and I think around 46% in the 2nd. Where and when did 54% of black voters vote for a white candidate over a black one ?

Cherokee

March 31st, 2013
4:36 pm

Headline: “Survey: New York, California last in personal freedoms”

So that’s why people are flocking to North Dakota and away from California and New York, right?

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:37 pm

When did I say race was not a problem people ?

I said the blind voting for one skin color is the problem !

But this is why. People like Fred and Jam start with the insults. Rather than look at facts and speak the truth.

I never said blacks should vote for only whites or anything lie that, I am trying say what is obvious. Racial voting hurts the black community.

How any of u liberal race baiters can say otherwise explains half of the problem blacks face.

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:38 pm

Fred,

Are you saying that there were no racists whites who did not vote for Obama?
+++++++++++++++++

i’m not saying a damn thing one way or the other to you. You are either a complete f’ing liar or are just to butt stupid for me to talk to.

I don’t converse with liars OR stupid people. I have found it to be a waste of time unless I feel like being amused by them as I was last night with td. You bring nothing to this conversation or quite frankly to ANY conversation.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:39 pm

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TM

March 31st, 2013
4:40 pm

Mama- the TOTAL black population, voting and non, in the US is only 13%. You have a problem with Atlanta move to Gwinnett. I understand only the white man/woman is corrupt up there.

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:40 pm

Fred,

You are lost. Tell me what I lied about please.

Isn’t it true that your anger is completely based on the observation that blacks are hurting blacks ?

I want to know, what did I lie about ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:42 pm

Cherokee:

See my 4:39 and then keep your head in the sand. It benefits us for you to do that !!

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:43 pm

You guys are fools !

Why do u get to put words in my mouth.

I never said a damn thing about Gwinnett. I am talking about the damn issue.

Why do u get so defensive ? Face the f-ing facts and fix them.

The black population in Clayton is around 92%, Dekalb is around 83% and Atlanta is about 78%.

Address the issue I raised and stop planting your race baiting B.S. in it.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
4:46 pm

“… is completely based on the observation Mama’s completely fact-free, sophist assertion/opinion that blacks are hurting blacks ?

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
4:47 pm

“… is completely based on the observation Mama’s completely fact-free, sophist assertion/opinion that blacks are hurting blacks ?

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:47 pm

I clearly said slavery was a huge problem in this country. I said slave holders denied blacks an education. I also said history would harshly blame white America.

I said all that before I said the black community is being hurt by other blacks now.

Where and how is any of that a lie ?

I know facts can be hard but to simply ignore the truth is simply stupid.

Deal with the issue in the black electoral process as u do the familiar white racist and there will e no issues in your community

TM

March 31st, 2013
4:49 pm

“Atlanta is about 78%”

Those of us who live here and are aware of the facts know its about 54%. Talk about BS???

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:49 pm

Average net migration to Red States: 2000-2011 = plus 2.25%

Average net migration away from Blue States: 2000-2011 = minus 0.25%

http://news.investors.com/photopopup.aspx?path=Web2c0328.gif&docId=649561&xmpSource=&width=800&height=492&caption=

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:50 pm

Jezz,

Vet u have to be blind.

Are u saying blacks don’t hurt themselves or are u simply jumping to the conclusion that I am saying whites have nothing to do with it ?

In either case you have failed to state what I lied about.

Try honesty and eats see where we get

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:51 pm

Ok TM,

It’s your world live in it, regardless of the actual % your city was ran by a majority school board which failed the black kids.

Unless I am lying about that too.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 31st, 2013
4:51 pm

You guys (libs. and cons) are misusing that word “racist” again.

Knock it off.

Mama Says

March 31st, 2013
4:55 pm

At some point you folks will have to deal with the facts. Call me a liar all u like. Blacks are being exploited by other blacks. Not saying whites are absent in the problem I am saying that ignoring the facts will hurt blacks more than it hurts any other group.

Yell and insult all u like, I am not the one doing it, y’all are.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
4:57 pm

Your opinions are just that, Mama.

Show me your proof that voting for a white man instead of black men would have ameliorated their problems?

You can no more prove your point than you could explain why the GOP has elected about half a dozen black men to the US Congress in the past 75 years while the Democrats have elected about 110 black men and women.

You segregationists should stick to arguing how Darwin was a nutjob and global cooling is a fact…

Fred ™

March 31st, 2013
4:57 pm

Mama is a liar, 4:40: Fred,

You are lost. Tell me what I lied about please.

Mama is a Liar, 4:43: The black population in Clayton is around 92%, Dekalb is around 83% and Atlanta is about 78%.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

What I said is either you are TOO STUPID TO TALK TO or that you are a liar. You decide: All data from Quick facts from the census bureau. i cannot post links because it will be auto snagged for too many links:

DeKalb County, Georgia
White persons, percent, 2011 (a) 37.8%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2011 (a) 54.4%

Clayton County, Georgia
White persons, percent, 2011 (a) 26.1%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2011 (a) 66.0%

Atlanta (city), Georgia
White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 38.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 54.0%
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The census bureau disputes the stupid crap YOU wrote. Like I have said now three times, you are either too stupid to talk to, or you are a liar.

Also I have no anger as you either lie about or are too stupid to understand, why would I be angry? I bear no responsibility for either your lack of basic intelligence or your total lack of integrity and honor. I feel no emotion for you. You aren’t worth it. You are less important in the scheme of life to me than a dingle berry that once made my anus itch.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
5:04 pm

Dekalb is around 83%.

TM is of course correct that it is 54%

The city of Atlanta? It is 61% black, not 78%.

Clayton country is 66% black, not 92%

But what do facts matter when you have an unsupportable premise to begin with?

At some point you Mamas will have to deal with the facts.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
5:05 pm

Mama, to state the obvious, just pulling numbers out of the thin air, does not exactly bolster your credibility.

Are you a speech writer for John Boehner?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 31st, 2013
5:07 pm

This fellow with the string of numbers for a handle obviously mistakenly assigns causation based on what makes him feel good.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
5:20 pm

Just checking in. I see the same ole race baiters out and about talking the same ole crap.

Nothing new in other words.

:roll:

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:22 pm

From Brosephus

-Your feeble attempt to switch to “enabler” made things worse as your definition of enabler would encompass almost everyone in the metro area, including those who moved in after the fact.

Actually no. Not even close. The difference between Jay and those people is Jay knew or should have known. He’s on the editorial board of the AJC. He has access to all the various and sundry people who knew or raised concerns. You don’t think he had any meetings with members of the business/political community about Hall for close to a decade?

And talk about goalpost shifting; so many critics here said “Post the Donsky article” Now it’s been posted; now the evidence is there that Jay knew or should have known there were deep concerns and did not use his bully pulpit to a degree that may have bought change.

Instead, he enabled Hall. Not only with his silence, but ask Jay if he or the editorial board for years, endorsed candidates for the BOE that supported Beverly Hall? EduPAC anyone?

If he did, did he not do his part to prop up Hall even after Donsky and others gave him reasons not to?

getalife

March 31st, 2013
5:25 pm

“Reagan Adviser: Bush’s Policies Bankrupt The Country” HP.

Never , ever vote gop or they will do it again.

So, why do you cons want them to do it again?

Do you expect a different result?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:26 pm

Really Fred. A member of the editorial board who routinely endorsed candidates who professed support of Beverly Hall, who engaged in a decade’s worth of malfeasance that was there for all to see (suspicious test scores, falsified discipline data, etc.) shouldn’t be called to account for enabling Hall?

Really?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:33 pm

Well JamVet the article that lays out the case that Jay knew or should have known there were serious concerns about the validity of the Hall regime going back to 2001 is out.

The article that details that both a GSU professor and the State of Georgia could have done test analysis; did the AJC editorial board push and push as often as was needed to hold Hall to account to do an independent analysis?

Or did Jay and the editorial board for years, play their own part in “selling the narrative” by endorsing EduPAC candidates that routinely rubber stamped most things that the Hall administration sent down the pike?

Or does that question hit a little too close to home?

Alex

March 31st, 2013
5:34 pm

How does the atlanta school superintendent become just that,Is she/he elected ? Pathetic example of public education, Mayore and Superintendents…Atlanta emulates Chicago, Detroit.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 31st, 2013
5:36 pm

I see Beverly Fraud is back boring us with more of the same. You have found your infamous Donsky article, Beverly Fraud. By all means, make your case. Show us the irrefutable basis for your claim that the AJC and Jay Bookman in particular should have been jumping up and down and flailing their arms as you have been doing for years now and declaring this to be the most obvious case of fraud seen since your discovery of Bernie Madoff.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
5:37 pm

The difference between Jay and those people is Jay knew or should have known

Thats a broad brush there Bevs. I can play that game too….

Tomorrow someone is going to be shot and/or killed in Georgia. Since Jay knows people who knows people all over the state, then he should KNOW who it is and warn them before it happens.

Works for me.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:42 pm

Then, you boast of the things you do as though you’re something special

Actually Brosephus, you implied that the only advocacy I do was on blogs; I merely pointed out that wasn’t true. I’m sure many have done more, but thank you for confirming my suspicion that you yourself are not well versed in the matters of APS over the last decade, and the role of the AJC pre-2009 to enable Hall to flourish relatively without personal scrutiny, and in fact supported the Hall regime by endorsing a series of candidates that would march mostly in lockstep with Hall.

Or does that last point hit just a little too close to home?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
5:44 pm

Man did you guys SEE that?

It looked like his leg snapped in half!

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
5:44 pm

Fraud, you seem to have some genuine concern about what has happened.

Perhaps a better way to channel that concern – rather than clamoring like the Queen of Hearts, “Off with their heads!!” – would be to get involved in a school district and be the vanguard that you want others to be.

Just a thought, and Happy Easter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J1L6TGQvrk

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:50 pm

Debbie not even close. Read the Donsky article. Recognize that Jay, as a member of the editorial board is in touch with all kinds of business/political leaders and the “narrative” that Beverly Hall was selling was very useful to them, and was supported even after the Donsky story strongly suggested it shouldn’t be.

Debbie, there weren’t hundreds of thousands of people using the editorial board of the largest paper in the state to endorse school board members (EduPAC anyone?) who basically rubber stamped the Hall regime.

It was Jay who had that opportunity, along with the select few on the editorial board Debbie, not half the state of Georgia.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
5:55 pm

I see Beverly Fraud is back boring us with more of the same. You have found your infamous Donsky article, Beverly Fraud. By all means, make your case.

The article, for those who are not ill-informed on matters concerning APS, or just bereft of intellectual acumen pretty much makes the case on its own.

-Serious concerns were raised
-The State of Georgia was able to do an erasure analysis
-Georgia State University offered to independently verify the results

But did the editorial board offer a sustained push to get these results verified (as they have offered repeated editorials on a whole host of other issues) or did they instead repeatedly over the years endorse BOE candidates noted mostly for their support of Beverly Hall?

Or does that question hit a little too close to home?

TM

March 31st, 2013
6:04 pm

Hey Fraud== who published the article you cite so it was available to the public????

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
6:04 pm

Bev I quite agree — Jay should’ve not only known but been highly suspicious because, you know, he has super duper really really suspicious genes and also because, well…..i don’t know why, but i’m gonna guess it’s because you say so.

Jay should’ve been hollering to the skies, and since he didn’t we are all going to crucify him tomorrow at noon.

In the town square.

Bring your cameras.

indigo

March 31st, 2013
6:10 pm

Fred – 4:28

I said nothing of the sort.

My point is that black voters are far more likely to vote ONLY for black candidates IF there are black candidates on the ticket.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

getalife

March 31st, 2013
6:10 pm

Jay’s fault they cheated.

indigo

March 31st, 2013
6:15 pm

Cherokee – 4:32 “to pretend that it’s just a problem in the black community”

I said nothing of the sort.

Re-read my post.

Pay special attention to where I said “many white voters will not vote for a black candidate”.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:16 pm

Quote: Fraud, you seem to have some genuine concern about what has happened.

Yes JamVet I do; I saw how people needlessly suffer for trying to be a true advocate for students; I saw how an editorial board, rather than be a fierce watchdog of the public good, instead did their part to “enable the narrative” not only with their lack of vigor, but in fact actively supporting this regime by endorsing BOE candidates that basically rubber stamped everything that Hall did.

And to that point, is it not fair and legitimate to hold Jay to account?

Quote: Perhaps a better way to channel that concern – rather than clamoring like the Queen of Hearts, “Off with their heads!!” – would be to get involved in a school district and be the vanguard that you want others to be.

Perhaps you are right JamVet; but my fear is it is getting past the point that concerned individual citizens can affect change in the government education system. Google “Invisible Serf’s Collar” (nothing at all to do with me) Either the lady is crazy…or she’s right and the implications of her being right are not too comforting (and I’ve yet to see anybody rebut her effectively)

Just a thought, and Happy Easter.

To you as well JamVet

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:22 pm

Stop it Debbie, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Paul Donsky had deep suspicions; so did those he interviewed. Was Paul Donsky so super-duper endowed with discerning intellect and suspicious genes compared to Jay?

Or was his role different at the AJC; looking at things as a reporter seeking the truth, not an editorial board member more focused on shaping opinion an opinion in this case that was “selling a narrative” that the leaders of this community (that includes the AJC does it not?) so desperately wanted to be true?

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
6:24 pm

…but my fear is it is getting past the point that concerned individual citizens can affect change in the government education system.

You may be right, but I hope you are wrong. And what is the alternative, to give up and give in. We constantly strive for that more perfect union, but the struggle is a mighty one. In both our systems and ourselves.

Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. ~J.R.R. Tolkien

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZKWV9yME

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:28 pm

No getalife; Jay’s fault for not taking an honest account of the editorial board’s actions at the time.

Jay’s fault for not acknowledging, the Donsky story raised serious concerns, and the editorial board was not as vigorous as it could have been it shining a spotlight on them.

Jay’s fault for not acknowledging the AJC editorial board largely walked in lockstep with EduPAC and supported candidates more noted for their support of Beverly Hall, not their willingness to challenge what was happening.

Jay’s fault for not admitting he was in a position to do more, and he and the editorial board chose not to, and as a result they had their own part to play.

The cheating is not Jay’s fault. Nor can you find much fault with what he’s said post 2009. But 2001-2009 is a period the AJC editorial board should reflect on, as they did not serve the children of APS well.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
6:32 pm

GAWD…so much self- indulging ego on this blog! State your case with some facts… And have the proper documentation to back it up. This blog attracts those thinking they are the educational elites and know it all based on WHAT???. So many lessons to learn.
Follow the money.

The tax payer money used to put these folks behind bars is funding the very “systems” that caused the corruption. Buckhead business showing you how to “cover up” the best.

Ask Warren Fortson and John Grant to show how much money they’ve made covering up for Atlanta Public Schools. This is a game people…wake up! The folks making the money off this CORRUPTION… designed it. They are giving you a HORSE AND PONY SHOW and raping the tax dollars that should be spent on education. THE FINEST DISPLAY OF GREED AND CREATING THEIR OWN PAY CHECK with the help of the AJC.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:33 pm

JamVet, I’m not an fan of Amendment 1. But something has to be done to break the education monolith. From DeKalb, Clayton, APS and Fulton, aka The Four Horsemen of the Incompetence on up through the federal DOE is rife with systemic dysfunction.

I liken the Amendment 1 crowd to privateers who would make Somali pirates proud, but I liken the status quo RTTT/Arne Duncan crowd to bureaucrats who would make the North Korean government look effective and benevolent.

But at least you can take a Somali pirate out one ship at a time…

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:36 pm

Debbie two simple questions.

When you read the Donsky article (if you did) did you not have serious concerns about the gains Donsky cited?

Would you if you were in a position to advocate for a full investigation, have done so?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:40 pm

Top School was the AJC editorial board made aware of your assertions?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:42 pm

Debbie, Debbie…now that I’ve prevented you from making the false argument that Jay needed “super-suspicious genes” by referencing the Donsky article, you seem to have disappeared.

Debbie?

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
6:47 pm

The AJC and Buckhead power drivers are creating their own pay check off the tax payer dollars earmarked for education. This is the REAL cover up. They are producing the public show you wanted. ( notice they completely ignored the E-rate scandal as it helped to line their pockets too.) The sad part is…these Buckhead power grabbers will not produce anything to repair the damage Beverly Hall created. But, instead they will create a endless bill $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the tax payers when it is all said and done. A few will serve some time to help create the facade of “doing the right thing” in this case.

Complete fraud…from Buckhead to Bankhead …top to bottom…in and out…AJC and the Journalist Awards they will win for EXPOSING APS.

Congratulations Atlanta…This is 2013’s display of SUCCESS by any means. Money that should be spent on our children’s education. But really…who cares in Buckhead???…they ones that make a difference go to the private schools.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
6:48 pm

getalife, can you point out in my rebuttal to you what I posted that wasn’t within Jay’s domain of accountability?

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
6:51 pm

Fraud, I am a white voter. In the many years I have lived here, I voted for John Lewis til I got redistricted, then for David Scott til I was redistricted, yet again. Now my rep is Phil Gingrey, for whom I will NEVER vote. I also voted for President Obama twice. So don’t claim that whites will not for for blacks!

Also, you seem to be taking up far too much space on this blog!

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
6:54 pm

Oops. My last should have been directed to Mama Says! But the “too much space” part is for Fraud.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
6:58 pm

Again, here’s the Donsky article direct from Maureen at the AJC

Again — I’m not interested in something from Maureen. If you don’t know how to post a link, just say so

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I did my research.

Then show your work, sport

Why don’t YOU ACTUALLY DO SOME!

That’s not the way things work here, you make the allegation, you provide the proof.

The case is recorded in Federal Court.

Then you should have an easy enough time to provide proof of your claim

I am not here to supply you SUPPORTING documentation TO EXPLAIN YOUR ignorance.

Then I say you’re just making sh*t up.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:01 pm

Buckhead could careless about public school education. Their children attend private schools …and they deserve to drain the supply of public funds since they pay for public education and private school institutions,too. They keep their children isolated from the public education pack. They will donate big bucks to their private institutions to keep their dirty secrets. They are the city’s tax base. And they resent any money spent on “public education” because they can’t manipulate it. Buckhead elites are milking this situation just like they milk the tax exemptions for their personal corporations. They get a kick back regardless of how the wheels on this Atlanta bus turn. Greed, smile in your face tactics, and pretend you are honestly ethical while robbing the taxpayer. A rich man’s entitlement program displayed behind the smoke and mirrors of Atlanta’s best!

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:04 pm

I think THUG explains your research completely. Nothing more needs to be said when it is coming from a THUG.

Respect is earned…not automatically a given.
When you start by introducing yourself as a THUG…it is pretty clear where you stand.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:05 pm

Sh-t and Thug go hand in hand.

Upchuck

March 31st, 2013
7:06 pm

“Then show your work, sport.”

Dr. Dolittle asks “WHAAAATTTTT????

“Then I say you’re just making sh*t up.”

The ironist says “Bwaaahhaaaahaaaaa!!!!”

And I say…. [Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
7:07 pm

I think THUG explains your research completely. Nothing more needs to be said when it is coming from a THUG.

As I suspected, you cannot back up your specious claims.

BTW, I never asked anything about respect, I asked for proof of your claims, sport.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:08 pm

At some point liberals, in particular black liberals will have to understand that racial politics is hurting their own community more than its hurting any other community.

And when Georgia Republicans or heavily White districts elect a Black or Hispanic candidate, you’ll have a leg to stand on with that argument. Until that point, don’t point to the speck in your neighbors eye while ignoring the beam in yours.

You idiots are trying to argue that blacks voted for whites all the time. You seem to forget that the first and only time they had a black option they took it, overwhelmingly.

And you idiots seem to forget that Blacks have voted for the Democratic candidate with more than 75% in the last 4 or more elections. The current candidate’s race had much less to do than his party affiliation. Obama as a Republican would have garnered maybe 10% of the Black vote as Blacks are not voting for that BS message that the GOP is putting out. You can’t wrap a turd in aluminum foil and try to sell it as a hot dog. The stench will give it away every time.

Can you name a race in which the blacks voted for a white candidate over another black ?

Alabama Democratic primary in 2010. Artur Davis lost by more than 40%. If you look at the county by county breakdown, traditionally strong areas of the Black vote even went for Ron Sparks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/unofficial_county-by-county_re.html

Macon (Tuskegee), Jefferson (Birmingham), Lowndes, Marengo, Dallas (Selma) and a few others are strong Black areas. Davis carried not a single one during the primary. This crap about Blacks voting for only Blacks makes as much sense as claiming that Whites only vote for Whites.

Upchuck

March 31st, 2013
7:09 pm

“As I suspected, you cannot back up your specious claims.”

Kamspam.

“BTW, I never asked anything about respect, I asked for proof of your claims, sport.”

Dr. Dolittle asks “WHAAAATTTTT????

And I say…. [Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
7:10 pm

I hear you knockin’ Town Crybaby, but you can’t come in.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:11 pm

I will t-y-p-e r-e-a-l s-l-o-w so you get it Kamchak.

Maureen posted the actual article on her blog. Verbatim. No link needed. I have reposted it on this blog. But no Kamchak and can’t read and comprehend for you.

Honestly, I hope to gawd your children didn’t go to APS lest Hall say, “My God, we had Kamchak spawn; how else could we get them to pass the test?” and gets away scot-free after the jury sees your responses on this blog.

Crazy Cracker

March 31st, 2013
7:13 pm

“And you idiots seem to forget that Blacks have voted for the Democratic candidate with more than 75% in the last 4 or more elections. ”

Yep…and most in the inner cities are still no better off then they were when they snookered by a racist Dixiecrat into believing in a “great society”. But they still keep voting Democratic. How is insanity defined again?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:14 pm

Typo Kamchak; I can’t read and comprehend for you. But the article has been posted for your perusal. Unfortunately Maureen didn’t add pictures to give you context clues…

Upchuck

March 31st, 2013
7:15 pm

“I hear you knockin’ Town Crybaby, but you can’t come in.”

ROFL. Is that all you…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:17 pm

Fraud

If you can’t understand that I moved here in 2000, I live comfortably south of Atlanta, I don’t frequent Atlanta, and I am perfectly fine in my Conservative leaning area, then you obviously can’t understand that APS, Beverly Hall, Paul Donsky, and your bloviating has very low priority in my life. I don’t pay taxes to fund APS. My child won’t attend school in APS. Excuse me for the frankness, but I personally don’t give a damn. That’s the responsibility of those who fund and have kids who attend APS. If the above applies to me, explain to me why I SHOULD be well versed in APS? What you’re implying or inferring is like sending Jeff Gordon to Top Gun School to prepare for the Daytona 500.

I have enough to deal with in my community, and I’m not the one to carry someone else’s problems for them. You remember the whole “bootstrap” thing, well Atlanta can pull their own bootstraps as far as I’m concerned. It may make me seem a bit hateful, but that’s just life. I have two little ones that I have to worry about taking care of. If they were in APS, then I would be concerned. They’re not though, and I’m not one to go sticking my nose into other people’s business.

If you can’t understand that, there’s no need to continue this discussion. I don’t care what Jay should have known, nor do I think you have a clue either. All you’re doing is assuming such things. If/When you decide to post proof that Jay personally read all that stuff and did nothing, then you’ll have a valid point. Until then, you sound like a yapping poodle who’s stuck in a fence.

Upchuck

March 31st, 2013
7:17 pm

“Typo Kamchak; I can’t read and comprehend for you. But the article has been posted for your perusal. Unfortunately Maureen didn’t add pictures to give you context clues…”

That is indeed unfortunate as I believe he only like picture books.

indigo

March 31st, 2013
7:17 pm

Brosephus – 7:08

When will Atlanta voters elect a white Mayor?

And when will The DeKalb School Board be majority white?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
7:18 pm

Maureen posted the actual article on her blog.

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Crazy Cracker

March 31st, 2013
7:19 pm

“When will Atlanta voters elect a white Mayor? And when will The DeKalb School Board be majority white?”

Doh!

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:20 pm

most in the inner cities are still no better off then they were when they snookered by a racist Dixiecrat into believing in a “great society”.

Go back and study your ideological history there. That crap you posted definitely makes you crazy. The Dixiecrats were as conservative as the current tea partiers. LOL!!!!

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:21 pm

A THUG can get an education too. They invented a thing called GOOGLE. If you care to do the research you can find all the information you want about Lorraine B Reich and the federal case. Unfortunately, you will have to go to the federal court house to go through hundreds of pages of documents and contact Brown Reporting for the video taped testimony that shows the proper paper trail of corruption. Honestly, I don’t think a THUG has the intelligence to accomplish anything of the sort. A THUG usually likes to keep everything in a stir and usually tries to GET SOMETHING for NOTHING.

You defined yourself totally.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:21 pm

Notice Brosephus has beat a quick and hasty retreat now that he can’t rely on the “goalpost” argument and has been presented with tough, fair and legitimate questions about Jay and the editorial board.

-Did the Donsky article, as posted, give enough information to raise serious concerns about the validity of the gains?
-Did not the state DOE and GSU both offer testing analysis?
-Did Jay as editorial watchdog, hold APS’s feet to the fire, or did he in fact help enable the Hall regime to continue by, in his role on the editorial board, endorse EduPAC candidates who marched in lockstep with Hall?
-Should Jay be, as a result of the above held accountable for his and the editorial board’s role in propping up Hall pre 2009?

Perhaps Brosephus is too ill informed on these issues, thus he is refraining from answering. Fair enough, but let’s not slam the messenger if we have no effective rebuttal as to why these aren’t tough, fair, and legitimate questions.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:21 pm

indigo: When will Atlanta voters elect a white Mayor?

And when will The DeKalb School Board be majority white?

I don’t know and I don’t care. That’s something that y’all stuck on race people worry about. I don’t vote in either area, and they could elect a flock of pigeons for all I care. You should seek counseling for your fixation on race. It’s quite unhealthy to harbor that crap.

Upchuck

March 31st, 2013
7:22 pm

“Maureen posted the actual article on her blog.”

Please understand: Kamchuck needs a linkie thingy in order to read look at (if it has pictures) an article. You are expecting entirely too much from him.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:22 pm

Yes, the THUG is about to pull out the pistol.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:25 pm

Notice Brosephus has beat a quick and hasty retreat now that he can’t rely on the “goalpost” argument and has been presented with tough, fair and legitimate questions about Jay and the editorial board.

Notice how Brosephus has stated all along that he doesn’t have a dog in this fight and doesn’t give a damn. Why ask me something I don’t care about? Paul Donsky could have said he crapped diamonds and shoved them down Beverly Hall’s throat, and I still wouldn’t care.

I still fail to see how you’ve proven anything that Bookman should have known. If I were you, I’d just quit. However, you’ve already shown that you lack self esteem when you think your identity is unknown.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:25 pm

So Kamchak needs actual newsprint to verify the legitimacy of the Donsky article? Do you need a signed affidavit from Donsky himself that he wrote it as well?

Maureen copied and pasted the actual article on her blog. I have re-posted it here on this blog. No…link…needed. Just reading comprehension skills.

My apologies I didn’t include an English to Ignorant dictionary so you can more readily understand it.

Honestly…

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
7:27 pm

And a THUG will prove he is right…no matter how much evidence you put in front of him to show him he is wrong. A THUG has no reason for his behavior. A THUG shoots with no reason. He does not have to give a reason. Just because he is a THUG… he is entitled. Don’t give him the information. DON’T waste your time on a THUG.

Crazy Cracker

March 31st, 2013
7:28 pm

“Go back and study your ideological history there. That crap you posted definitely makes you crazy. The Dixiecrats were as conservative as the current tea partiers. LOL!!!!”

Go back and read up on LBJ there, genius. And take a logic course while you are at it. Dixiecrats are most Tea Party members are NOT synonymous. It is just ignorant to suppose they are one in the same.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
7:30 pm

Yep…and most in the inner cities are still no better off then they were when they snookered by a racist Dixiecrat into believing in a “great society”.

One of the most idiotic and fallacious things ever written here.

Why? Because it ignores completely the rapid and successful move up the American economic ladder by hundred of thousands of blacks. Professionals of all sorts – doctors, lawyers and even the President of the United States of America. And a large black middle class where there was barely one fifty years ago.

Of which virtually NONE of the credit to goes to you White Power Segregationists, BTW.

My gawd, man use that head for something other than a place to put your NRA cap…

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:32 pm

Brosephus, Paris Hilton could read the Donsky article and conclude something was rotten in Denmark, even if she had no clue of the origin of the phrase something is rotten in Denmark.

If you can’t see how anyone with at least room temperature IQ (in Denmark in winter with the heat off no less) could see something was wrong, again we can thank God your children aren’t in APS lest Hall say, “My God these were spawn of Brosephus; what else were we to do?” and jury nullification kicks in and she gets off scot-free.

Thank God this isn’t Mark Bradley’s blog and you’re saying, “I see no evidence that Barry Bonds every took PEDs just because his head blocks out the sun.”

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:35 pm

And take a logic course while you are at it. Dixiecrats are most Tea Party members are NOT synonymous. It is just ignorant to suppose they are one in the same.

Since we’re suggesting courses. I would suggest you start off with English Comp 101. Nowhere did I state they were one and the same. You should read what’s on your screen and not listen to the voices in your head. It is just ignorant to suppose something that isn’t even on your screen.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
7:35 pm

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Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:36 pm

“Please understand: Kamchuck needs a linkie thingy in order to read look at (if it has pictures) an article. You are expecting entirely too much from him.”

Apparently so, Upchuck. I thought maybe newsprint would help; I would possibly be willing to get him a copy, but I don’t want to subject myself to the sight of a mad person pounding the newsprint screaming, “Where is the mouse? Where is the mouse?”

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
7:38 pm

Fraud

You still don’t realize that you’re barking up the wrong tree yet, do you? The only reason I even said anything to you was because of your wild assumption about what Jay knew. My children wouldn’t be in APS if it were the only school system in Georgia. What part of that do you not understand? My focus is on where my children will go, and I wouldn’t move into Atlanta if I were given a free house.

I don’t care what anybody with a room temperature could see, because you obviously still can’t see that I don’t give a damn. You’ve disproven yourself right there.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:40 pm

Crazy Cracker

March 31st, 2013
7:40 pm

“One of the most idiotic and fallacious things ever written here.”

Ah…the great LBJ apologist has appeared on the scene.

“Why? Because it ignores completely the rapid and successful move up the American economic ladder by hundred of thousands of blacks. Professionals of all sorts – doctors, lawyers and even the President of the United States of America. And a large black middle class where there was barely one fifty years ago.”

Is that why the black unemployment rate is so high and the murder rate in cities like Chicago defy comprehension? All of the money pumped into the inner cities has not changed a thing. I guess you haven’t been to Detroit lately, huh?

“Of which virtually NONE of the credit to goes to you White Power Segregationists, BTW.”

Speak for yourself there, schmhomie. The black middle class has gotten to where it has by taken advantage of the opportunities afforded it – just like other ethnic groups in the middle class. Duh!

“My gawd, man use that head for something other than a place to put your NRA cap…”

ROFL. Funny, except 1) I don’t own a gun and 2) have never even contributed a dime to the NRA. Your genius is evident.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
7:49 pm

Brosephus, the only assumption I have is that Jay reads his own paper, and thus read a featured article in the Sunday paper.

Unless you read the same article, along with the other posts on blogs and articles over the years that called into question various aspects of the “APS miracle” how can you assert that my assumptions about what Jay knew or should have known are “wild”?

That simply makes no sense.

Not quite Kamchak territory, but given his/her recent posts, I’m beginning to think that Kamchak is simply a misspelling of kumquat, used as a descriptor of his/her critical thinking skills.

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
7:51 pm

I’m with you, Bro. None of my kids or grands ever have or will attend APS. I live in Smyrna, so never have voted in ATL. I am not interested in the APS or who is mayor, ‘tho must say I like what I have seen of Mayor Reed on the national shows. SIGH!

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
7:51 pm

Stop it Debbie, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Well, I was just agreeing with you Bev — you mean to say that agreeing with you is prevalent to being embarrassing?

Bev: Debbie two simple questions. When you read the Donsky article (if you did) did you not have serious concerns about the gains Donsky cited? Would you if you were in a position to advocate for a full investigation, have done so?

No and No. Being black myself, it gets tiring that whenever a black _______________ (school, principal, politician, dishwasher, strumpet whatever…); does well in education there’s ALWAYS someone who says that “its because of fraud”. Its like the “boy who cried wolf” syndrome. Everytime someone black does well at something, then its because of fraud.

It gets tiring after a while….

Bev: Debbie, Debbie…now that I’ve prevented you from making the false argument that Jay needed “super-suspicious genes” by referencing the Donsky article, you seem to have disappeared.

Was watching the game Bev, (Louisville vs. Duke — Lou won); even though you and I both know that your commentary on this blog is fascinating and no one would surely miss it deliberately; I just had to see the game.

Sorry.

Skip

March 31st, 2013
7:53 pm

You spent the whole weekend doing this?

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
7:53 pm

Fraud & Mama, in the words of Dr. Suess, “So long, thing, you sing too long.”

Crazy Cracker

March 31st, 2013
7:53 pm

“Since we’re suggesting courses. I would suggest you start off with English Comp 101. Nowhere did I state they were one and the same. You should read what’s on your screen and not listen to the voices in your head. It is just ignorant to suppose something that isn’t even on your screen.”

You said that Dixiecrats were just as conservative as the [present day] Tea Party. You made a very clear equivalence. I think you did this because you might honestly feel that if the Civil Rights Acts was up for passage today and the Tea Party held the Congress, it wouldn’t get passed. One of my points was that it is really dumb to lionize LBJ for anything. I am not sure he had an honest bone in his body.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
7:54 pm

The link to the article, since the back button seems to be beyond your level of expertise

And they say old dogs can’t learn new tricks.

And this is Jay’s/the AJC’s fault?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
7:56 pm

Is that why the black unemployment rate is so high and the murder rate in cities like Chicago defy comprehension? All of the money pumped into the inner cities has not changed a thing. I guess you haven’t been to Detroit lately, huh?

Oh gooodie!! Even MORE racists!! My oh my! This is sooooo predictable! A story about a black person, (good or bad); and here comes the racists!!

This guy even mentions Chicago and Detroit……..again!!

Before you post again, hold on please…….I gotta go and pop some popcorn.

Splavistic

March 31st, 2013
7:58 pm

Thank Bush for his NCLB. Good intentions that paved the highway to hell.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:06 pm

Fair enough Debbie; if you think the Donsky report raised no concerns about cheating, I think that’s all we need to say about your take on things.

I will pass along to the AJC, the governor’s office, the New York Times, hundreds of other media outlets, the nation at large, and the Fulton County DA’s office your dismay that these “gains” are being called into question merely because many of the students and top administrators are black.

Just shameful, how we have concluded gains that had a one in a billion likelihood of happening have been attributed to something unseemly, and not just the hard work of the majority African-American students and the administration that supported them.

Just shameful.

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
8:08 pm

Cracked meat, if you fascists still had your way, we’d still have colored water fountains and schools in this country.

You lost, you got your hooded heads kicked in by Negroes and agitating, often Jewish, northern liberals and you’re butt hurt fifty years on.

No worries, because people of moral courage in this country laugh at you klanners and racist cretin low brows…

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
8:09 pm

Did the THUG finally poop out?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:12 pm

Just for clarification Debbie, I asked

Bev: Debbie two simple questions. When you read the Donsky article (if you did) did you not have serious concerns about the gains Donsky cited? Would you if you were in a position to advocate for a full investigation, have done so?

And you responded:

“No and No.”

Reading that article raised no red flags for you Debbie? Were you the one who suggested Kathy Augustine say to the AJC, “We see no need to investigate; we expect outliers every year.” as well?

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
8:13 pm

Did the THUG finally poop out?

No the Crazy Crackhead is still puking up his racial animus.

With perverts like him, is it any wonder the GOP is 92% white?

His dad must have been a HUGE George Wallace fan…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:14 pm

Did the THUG finally poop out?

No.

This has been yet another episode of one-word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.

Infraredguy

March 31st, 2013
8:16 pm

I just can’t believe this, its got to be a racist investigation and another attempt to hold down the black man/woman and this black Fulton DA is a Uncle Tom, no doubt about it. We need Rev Jackson and Rev Sharpton here setting up marches in the street. I also think President Obama should have Mr Holder open a Federal investigation at once on the white owners of the AJC and these white investigators for the State

JamVet

March 31st, 2013
8:17 pm

You cons have got a boatload of problems, but the prevalence of racist pigs, like Crazy Crackhead, among you may be the most telling…

You, your infrared sockpuppet and 71 need counseling…

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:17 pm

Kamchak I assume is reading the link and responding to the question also posed to Debbie.

The Debbie who is apparently tired of people like Beverly Hall being slammed strictly because of race, absent any real evidence.

Shameful how they would treat an award winning educator that way. Just shameful.

getalife

March 31st, 2013
8:18 pm

Racism does not help educate your kids.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:18 pm

Kamchak I assume is reading the link and responding to the question also posed to Debbie.

No.

This has been yet another episode of one-word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
8:20 pm

Fraud

You’re assuming Jay reads the paper AND you’re assuming he read that particular article. There are some people who have absolutely nothing to do with their employer when they’re off the clock. Unless Jay has specifically informed you that he reads the paper every day including all stories, it’s a wild assumption that he read those stories.

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Crazy: You said that Dixiecrats were just as conservative as the [present day] Tea Party. You made a very clear equivalence.

You see a clear equivalence where there is none. Just as does not mean one and the same as you originally stated. You may think it means that, but that is not the case in the real world. I could care less for the current tea party as those who really wanted change allowed themselves to be co-opted by the GOP.

I think you did this because you might honestly feel that if the Civil Rights Acts was up for passage today and the Tea Party held the Congress, it wouldn’t get passed.

And I think you should quit attempting to think for me right there. The CRA hasn’t crossed my mind, and I have never contemplated what the Tea Party or Congress would do nowadays in reference to it. Don’t project your thoughts and opinions onto me. We definitely don’t think alike.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
8:22 pm

One of my points was that it is really dumb to lionize LBJ for anything.

You’re the one who brought LBJ into the conversation, not me bud. Point away if you wish as you’re the only one discussing him.

USA Patriot

March 31st, 2013
8:25 pm

Jeepers, I didn’t think there was a “race” on Easter Sunday. Apparently I missed the race until I checked this blog.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:30 pm

Just as we suspected kamchak. You hung your hat on the old “provide the link” argument and when I called your bluff and found the link you had no other recourse but to beat a quick and hasty retreat.

Simpleton? The gap between SocrUates (google him) and Paris Hilton could not be any wider than the gap between your posts and my posts, as evidenced by the fact that you are most likely flattered by being compared to Paris Hilton.

Upchuck, is kamchak usually this bereft of logic and common sense?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:31 pm

Socrates of course.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 31st, 2013
8:35 pm

I’m sorry for not replying earlier but I started reading Beverly Fraud’s “proof” that Jay coulda woulda shoulda saved the world or at least the children of the corn back in 2001 and it put me to sleep. What a bore. Nothing from Beverly Fraud to back up the claims. Nothing. Nothing then. Nothing now. Wake me when Beverly Fraud is gone.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:36 pm

…you had no other recourse but to beat a quick and hasty retreat.

You should work on your attention to details skills.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:40 pm

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:41 pm

Sorry Brosephus but it’s not a wild assumption that Jay is fully aware of the questions surrounding the “Atlanta Miracle” Again, you simply lack the background knowledge, as you acknowledged.

Even if Jay will admit to nothing else (hanging on desperately to the “apologist” as a convienent out to not taking accountability for the AJC editorial board “enabling” Hall by endorsing candidates who were mainly in lockstep with her) he will most likely admit to being very well versed on APS and the questions raised about the “gains”.

As a member of the editorial board, who has admitted on this blog his children attended APS how could he not admit that?

Grob Hahn

March 31st, 2013
8:43 pm

Why are you showing a younger picture of that old hag? Media keeps doing this.
Grobbbbbbbbb

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
8:46 pm

Umm…Kamchack. I am aware of details, hence the quick correction.

But you on the other hand just typed, “You should work on your attention to details skills.” apparently fully unaware of the irony.

To put it in terms you can understand, it’s the Internet equivalent of leaving the house with your underwear on the outside of your pants and critiquing someone’s fashion sense.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:50 pm

Umm…Kamchack. I am aware of details, hence the quick correction.

Still not what I am referring to….

kayaker 71

March 31st, 2013
8:50 pm

It is interesting that the majority, if not all, of the perps are black. Are we free to mention this or is this a racial comment? As said in an earlier post, most of these arrogant officials felt that they were above the law and so insulated from the public that they could be brazen enough to pull this off. Free from criticism, this went on for lots of years under the noses of people who were supposed to not let things like that happen. Whistle blowers got fired or humiliated. Those who spoke up were ostracized or lost their jobs. All because these arrogant asses thought that they could get away with it and line their pockets with some serious cash. Those in the black community, as well as everyone else, should feel a certain remorse for entrusting their children’s education to people like this. But when will Sharpton and Je$$ie show up. When will Eric Holder get involved? Think that Bozo feels that this is “stupid”?

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
8:59 pm

Again, you simply lack the background knowledge, as you acknowledged.

How do you determine what I lack? You have no clue as to what I know or don’t know. I simply acknowledged I have no dog in that fight. I didn’t read the Donkey Files, but I’ve read quite a bit on the whole APS cheating issue. Just because you think I don’t have background knowledge doesn’t mean jack. I simply don’t care to get involved in swimming in your rabbit hole. If you really want to know, there’s more than just APS going through this as there have been numerous cheating scandals all around the country. Maybe you should read beyond the AJC and you’d know that much.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
8:59 pm

It is interesting that the majority, if not all, of the perps are black.

Not to me, but I do understand where you’re coming from.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
9:01 pm

I don’t think you will ever satisfy the THUG. I think it will take a total lobotomy to correct the problem. THUGGERY and guns go hand in hand. This one is totally dangerous and should be carefully observed when he does not get his way. Filling up the page in one word statements is only part of what he can do if he is angered and backed into a corner with the TRUTH. CAREFUL! I am certain he is a card carrying NRA gun toting man. Be very CAREFUL!

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:01 pm

You’re a walking advertisement for your own lack of intellectual heft, Sophist

“I’m sorry for not replying earlier but I started reading Beverly Fraud’s “proof” that Jay coulda woulda shoulda saved the world or at least the children of the corn back in 2001 and it put me to sleep”

If you can’t read the Donsky article and see what Donsky saw, what the numerous experts at the time saw, what board members saw, and what eventually the entire nation saw, you make a mockery of the term Sophist, as you are clearly unaware of how tough, fair and legitimate questions help reveal truth and shape debate.

Perhaps the Sycophant-ican would be a more accurate descriptor.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:03 pm

Actually Sophist, if you read the Donsky article and could discern no serious concerns that should have been raised in regard to systemic cheating, there is a better blog name for you:

Kathy Augustine

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

March 31st, 2013
9:03 pm

How many sockpuppets would jaysus use?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:07 pm

Fish in a barrel time:

“How do you determine what I lack? You have no clue as to what I know or don’t know. I simply acknowledged I have no dog in that fight. I didn’t read the Donkey Files”

You admit you have no dog in this fight. You admit you did not read “the Donkey files” and you ask how do I know what you lack.

Umm…if I admit I lack feathers, I’m pretty much admitting I’m not a bird, am I not?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:07 pm

I am certain he is a card carrying NRA gun toting man.

You would be wrong — again.

At least you are consistent.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4s5pmFL_ZlQ/R8oeThdFJOI/AAAAAAAAAGE/s9je40ZwFfQ/s1600-h/CONSISTENCY+MOTIVATIONAL+POSTERS.jpg

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:13 pm

And yes Brosephus I am aware APS is just the tip of the iceberg. Rod “Houston Miracle” Paige. Michelle Rhee. And hundreds of other educational charlatans, masquerading as “reformers.”

If you really want to be well versed, google “Invisible Serf’s Collar” You won’t think your safe haven south of Atlanta is that safe after all, when you realize one of the pillars that supports those who created Common Core is the idea that “the purpose of education is to break the child away from the values of the family” so that new (state) values can be installed.

As reprehensible as APS was, it goes way deeper than them.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
9:14 pm

Reading that article raised no red flags for you Debbie? Were you the one who suggested Kathy Augustine say to the AJC, “We see no need to investigate; we expect outliers every year.” as well?

Well, if I’m basing my assumption upon the article, I must also base my assumptions upon the writer of the article. I’m not impressed by Donsky. Sorry.

So, since I’m not impressed by Donsky, I’m not impressed by anything he says. Its like Ayn Rand — I’m not impressed with her therefore I’m not impressed by anything that she said. Sorry again.

Bev: The Debbie who is apparently tired of people like Beverly Hall being slammed strictly because of race, absent any real evidence.

Bev, could you kindly point out WHERE i said that? Or even inferred that? If you’d kindly reread my post with an OPEN mind, (that might be hard for you I know); you’d find that you were reading something into a comment that just wasn’t there.

Of course, I’m sure that isn’t anything new to you; but thought I’d just point it out. Just in case, you know, you actually listen to anyone besides your self…..

Just shameful.

Word.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
9:15 pm

You admit you have no dog in this fight. You admit you did not read “the Donkey files” and you ask how do I know what you lack.

Fish in a barrel? More like show my ignorance time. :lol:

How does one equate not having a dog in this fight to not reading anything? Only someone with a binary brain that’s incapable of processing any information outside of what they assume would come to such a decision. Paul Donsky’s article is NOT the only article that’s been written about the APS cheating scandal. Geez, use your brain for something other than space filler.

Umm…if I admit I lack feathers, I’m pretty much admitting I’m not a bird, am I not?

Last time I checked, those whole chickens at Kroger are still birds, yet they have no feathers. You’re just plain out dumb as a brick. Play with some of these other people, as I’m tired of your crap. I’ve met my quota for BS for the entire week. Hopefully Paul will pay you well for all your advertising today. I’ve never seen anybody tote someone else’s ball sack the way you’ve been toting his. Kudos to you.

G Mare

March 31st, 2013
9:15 pm

Altogether now: JAY! SHEETZ PLEASE!!!

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
9:15 pm

CONSISTENCY is the name of your THUGGERY GAME. You act as if you are being “click” paid for wasting your time. Don’t you have something more constructive to do with your time. Trolling on these blog spots must be part of your mental illness.
YOU chose your title:
I did the research for you. Maybe you should choose IDIOT to go along with THUG.

THUG
noun \ˈthəg\
Definition of THUG
: a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough
— thug·gery noun
— thug·gish adjective
See thug defined for English-language learners »
See thug defined for kids »
Examples of THUG

He was beaten and robbed by street thugs.

Origin of THUG
Hindi & Urdu ṭhag, literally, thief
First Known Use: 1810
Related to THUG

Synonyms
bully, gangbanger, gangsta, gangster, goon, gorilla, homeboy, homey (or homie), hood, hooligan, mobster, mug, plug-ugly, punk, roughneck, rowdy, ruffian, hoodlum, tough, toughie (also toughy), yob [British], yobbo [British]

Related Words
cutthroat, scoundrel, villain; assassin, bandit, bravo, brigand, criminal, crook, desperado, felon, gunman, highwayman, lawbreaker, mafioso, malefactor, offender, outlaw, perp, perpetrator, pirate; pickpocket, racketeer, robber, swindler, thief, vandal; juvenile delinquent, tearaway [British]

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:15 pm

Kamchack, the fact remains the article is there, (with an intro by Maureen Downey) yet you beat a quick and hasty retreat.

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
9:18 pm

You won’t think your safe haven south of Atlanta is that safe after all, when you realize one of the pillars that supports those who created Common Core is the idea that “the purpose of education is to break the child away from the values of the family” so that new (state) values can be installed.

Well, given that I married an education major and I considered teaching mathematics for a while, you can be assured that my children’s educational path is well taken care of. Don’t worry your pretty little head about me. I’m quite capable of taking care of mine.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:18 pm

Kamchack[sic], the fact remains the article is there…

Still missing the boat….

Brosephus™

March 31st, 2013
9:18 pm

Now, I must bid you all a fond farewell. Y’all have fun…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:19 pm

Don’t you have something more constructive to do with your time.

The Sunday NY Times crossword as we speak.

Sport.

Paddy

March 31st, 2013
9:22 pm

Hey, hold the phone here! There has been an indictment handed down so far. There are felonies involved so it is serious stuff. The accused are APS employees and the victims are our children. So please explain to me what a person’s race has to do with doing the right or wrong thing in carrying out his or her job responsibilities? I do not care about the paint job that anyone was born with; all I care about is character and integrity. This unfortunate event is not new and will not go away. It is about power and money and will be repeated. It is not racial. Period. Get it?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:24 pm

Altogether now: JAY! SHEETZ PLEASE!!!

The correct incantation is: SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!

YouLibs

March 31st, 2013
9:24 pm

God, are you OCD bastids STILL here?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:28 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if a PETA representative steps in, such is the fish in a barrel state this has become.

Fish in a barrel part deux: (Won’t be surprised if PETA protests Jay’s blog if this keeps up)

And yes, Donsky wasn’t the only one speaking out about systemic cheating in APS well before 2009 Thank you for underscoring my point that Jay knew or should have known, and should not have endorsed candidates that marched (mainly) in lockstep with anything Hall brought down the pike.

Chickens actually have feathers before they reach Kroger Brosephus. Much in the same way that milk comes from cows, not the grocery store.

And if anybody is carrying privates, it’s the sycophants here, acting as Jay’s de factor Fruit of the Loom, as Donsky has nothing to gain by this; (except a good laugh over people who want to deny he nailed it close to a decade before the editorial board would admit it) He’s no longer employed by the AJC

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
9:30 pm

How many sockpuppets would jaysus use?

As many as it took for someone to answer him.

Amen.

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
9:33 pm

A THUG prides himself in isolation with crossword puzzles and a blog…the 2013 version of Silence of the Lambs.

“I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti”

“Being smart spoils a lot of things, doesn’t it?”

“And then, the last words Raspail ever said: ‘I wonder why my parents didn’t kill me before I was old enough to fool them.’

“He knew that a middle-aged man can be so desperate for wisdom he may try to make some up, and how deadly that can be to a youngster who believes him.”

“I’m not sure you get wiser as you get older, Starling, but you do learn to dodge a certain amount of h-ll.”

“Nothing makes us more vulnerable than loneliness except greed.”

“She didn’t give a damn about some of them, but she had grown to learn that inattention can be a stratagem to avoid pain, and that it is often misread as shallowness and indifference.”

“Nothing made me happen. I happened.

Hannibal Lecter”
― Thomas Harris, The Silence of the Lambs

bookman parrot

March 31st, 2013
9:35 pm

jay is unaware of any evidence … that clinches it for me … must be a miscarriage of justice

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:36 pm

Debbie, seriously. Not impressed by Donsky? I don’t even know Donsky, but add the people he did quote, and look at what eventually happened.

For years Hall and Augustine tried the, “they just don’t believe African-American children can do this.”

It turns out it was the mostly black administrators who didn’t believe African-American children couldn’t do this, wasn’t it Debbie?

F. Sinkwich

March 31st, 2013
9:37 pm

Happy Easter everyone!

I’ll just say that if ol’ Bev was a conservative, her remarkable “achievements” would have received a whole lotta more scrutiny a helluva lot sooner.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:39 pm

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:43 pm

Typo again. Clearly Debbie, the people who didn’t believe that black children could do this were the mostly black APS administrators in the highest positions.

If you want to be “tired” of something, you might want to be tired of those like Hall, and those black politicians like Shirley Franklin, Andy Young, and Kasim Reed who tried to protect her.

These are the people who did the real harm to Atlanta children, not the yahoos in pickup trucks with the “Fergit Hell” bumper stickers, Debbie.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
9:45 pm

Yes F. Sinkwich and if Jay were Limbaugh the sycophants here would be screaming about how he spent close to a decade enabling Beverly Hall.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

March 31st, 2013
9:46 pm

she was preparing the children for a Republican world, where if you
can’t win fair & square, cheat.

a world that is out of date

and dare I say, heheh, Gone with the Wind

Top School Atlanta

March 31st, 2013
9:48 pm

I am over and out with this BADMINTON GAME of seeing who can feed their ego best.

“SPORT”

I am out of here!
Unworthy of my best
Hasta la vista, baby!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 31st, 2013
9:50 pm

I am out of here!

Toodles, sport.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
9:53 pm

I don’t even know Donsky, but add the people he did quote, and look at what eventually happened.

OK — there is the main gist of the whole synopsis of this conversation, this part right here, ( what eventually happened.); seeing that none of us on this blog, to my knowledge, is a psychic and could predict events before they happened, AND giving the fact that Donsky was previously the BUSINESS / Real estate reporter, one would have to be ODIN to know that what Donsky was writing was in any way true.

IMO its like Charles Schultz, (Peanuts creator), all of a sudden getting a reporter job at the NYT and started reporting on the financial collapse of 2010.

Highly susceptible to uncontrollable mirth.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
10:03 pm

If you want to be “tired” of something, you might want to be tired of those like Hall, and those black politicians like Shirley Franklin, Andy Young, and Kasim Reed who tried to protect her.

Without actual facts and evidence to convict Hall, (the police/DA don’t have any hard evidence either, that’s why the convened a Grand Jury – a grand jury looks for cause); then all those people you mentioned couldn’t have said anything about her with out committing slander. Which they could be sued for. And being that they were officials of the city, the city could’ve been sued too.

Funny how that works huh?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 31st, 2013
10:04 pm

Well, all I can say is, who gives a hoot what a Donkey says?

Anyhow, I never seen a blog turn so fast. All of a sudden for 10 pages we get the third degree put on Bookman. What did he know and when did he know it? This is better than the Watergate mess.

Oh, almost forgot. I told you a couple years ago about finding my Daddy’s white sheet and white hood. I’m not accusing anybody of anything, but it sure looks like a few of you could make good use of them. I’m sellin’ cheap.

Have a good night everybody and be sure and let me know if anybody’s going to impeach Bookman.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:07 pm

One would have to be ODIN to know that what Donsky was writing was in any way true.

Yet people knew. And they were posting on blogs about cheating in APS well before 2009. And suggesting well before 2009, that safeguards be put in place to deal with gains seen in systems like…APS

Again, for all the talk of blaming folks who assume black achievements must be built on a fraud, who were the ones who ultimately didn’t believe in black children in APS. “Fergit Hell” yahoos, or the black administrators who dominated the highest levels APS?

Well?

Soothsayer

March 31st, 2013
10:12 pm

Looks to me like this whole thing boils down to whether or not 7th graders the little dumbshytes can do quantum physics or not. Since the little dumbshytes cain’t do quantum physics and Beverly Hall and a bunch of other educators’ jobs and bonuses depend on it, why, well, you know — we just got to cheat a little. What harm could it do?

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:12 pm

Um Debbie, it wouldn’t have been “slander” to decline to meet with APS board members in order to reinstate as board chair Burks-Butler, who actively conspired with Beverly Hall (according to this very paper) to hide evidence of cheating from the rest of the board. That’s what Kasim Reed did before he saw it was more politically expedient to distance himself from Hall.

It wouldn’t have been “slander” to decline to appear in the AJC, as Andy Young did, and say “anybody with common sense” would want Beverly Hall to stay on board at APS.

It wouldn’t have been “slander” for Shirley Franklin to decline to say Beverly Hall was a great leader.

You’re going to have to do better than that, Debbie

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
10:13 pm

People SUSPECTED — no one KNEW anything.

Like — I SUSPECT you may be Doom using one another of your aliases; however what I suspect doesn’t make it TRUE.

Can ya dig it!

Again, for all the talk of blaming folks who assume black achievements must be built on a fraud, who were the ones who ultimately didn’t believe in black children in APS……blah, blah, blah……………….Well?

Is that a question to ME? If so, then the blame for the fraud goes to the people who committed the fraud; however, i have no idea WHAT they believed or didn’t believe in regards to the students of APS.

Again, that would mean that I would have divine insight into the psyche of other people. I think you’re the only one on the blog who professes to have that type of insight.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:14 pm

Anyhow, I never seen a blog turn so fast. All of a sudden for 10 pages we get the third degree put on Bookman.

Not that he doesn’t deserve it. It’s just that the level of sycophant denial is so strong here. It’s almost like Bookman has his own Birthers.

Soothsayer

March 31st, 2013
10:18 pm

I just hope tomorrow Bookman gives us a FairTax or climate change blog. For good measure, he could throw in some Laffer Curve. Some red meat that will really kick over that anthill and get some real nuts in here instead of Little Debbie and Ms. Beverly.

By the way, where can I get a job like Bookman’s?

getalife

March 31st, 2013
10:19 pm

“Bookman has his own Birthers.”

Um, yeah there are birthers on this blog but they hate Bookman.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:19 pm

Again, that would mean that I would have divine insight into the psyche of other people. I think you’re the only one on the blog who professes to have that type of insight.

It’s not really that insightful Debbie. It’s just common sense. If these (mostly) black administrators (and some teachers as well) felt these (mostly) black children could succeed, they wouldn’t have been in various offices erasing 256,000 answers would they have?

After all it wasn’t the Tea Party doing all that erasing in order to make the “gubmint” schools look bad was it?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
10:20 pm

Um Debbie, it wouldn’t have been “slander” to decline to meet with APS board members in order to reinstate as board chair Burks-Butler, who actively conspired with Beverly Hall

Uh Bev — unless any of the people you annotated knew or had knowledge of Hall “cheating” then why WOULDN’T they show up/endorse Beverly? And even NOW we don’t know if Burks-Butler conspired with Hall, we’re you’re just ASSUMING, because her name isn’t in the indictment, that that’s the case.

FACTS, not fiction, supposition, fables or stories; will take down Hall et al. Anything else, a good lawyer will get her out of before you can follow that yellow brick road to the Emperor.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

March 31st, 2013
10:22 pm

if you incentivize higher scores, guess what you’re gonna get?
higher scores, duh.
dam, cons, this isn’t a glory-of-the-trickle-down company here,
this is public education.
and No Child’s Behind was Left
The system (NCLB) as you created it was designed to fail, and it did.
Pat your self on the back cons, another clusterf* of the Lost Decade.
Jesus, you people could screw up an anvil.

Your giddy, Turret-level glee exhibited at that fact is really creepy though.

This won’t help you turd-polish a shred of credibility either, Georgia cons.
The whole entire planet is laughing at you. Congratulations.

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:24 pm

Well getalife what do you call people who don’t hold Jay accountable in any way shape or form, for endorsing BOE of education members who marched in lockstep with Hall even after story after story of the corruptness of the Hall regime (Donsky’s cheating story, the E-Rate scandal, the falsified discipline data, etc.) was readily apparent?

Bookman Bottom Bussers?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 31st, 2013
10:26 pm

It’s just common sense.

Of course oh great and powerful wizard you know all! Could you give me the winning numbers to the lottery? Just in case……….

Beverly Fraud

March 31st, 2013
10:26 pm

Uh Bev — unless any of the people you annotated knew or had knowledge of Hall “cheating” then why WOULDN’T they show up/endorse Beverly?

Thank you Debbie. Both Young and Franklin made their endorsements of Hall after the cheating scandal broke out.